Thread 12104192

DOOM THREAD / RETRO FPS THREAD - Last thread: >>12099986

Doom/Quake/Duke/Heretic/Hexen/Unreal/Sam/Half-Life/etc
Gameplay, WADs/Maps/Mods, Source Ports
All other 90s FPS welcome
~ Let's post like gentlemen ~

FAQ/GENERAL GUIDE
https://rentry.org/vrbin

SO YOU WANT TO PLAY SOME FUCKING DOOM
(or Quake, Duke, Marathon, Deus Ex)
https://imgur.com/a/wWS8zXz

Same thing, in video format:
https://youtu.be/ietb4JwaaXA [Embed]
https://youtu.be/DhOjleMqwdQ [Embed]
https://youtu.be/CGj4gXyCzg0 [Embed]

== GAMES/RESOURCES ==
DOOM Quickstart (IWADs etc): https://mediafire.com/file/wuniyrhsjjgq4y8
QUAKE Trilogy FAQ: https://pastebin.com/Ucb11XhU

PortaDOOM:
https://github.com/Kroc/PortaDOOM/releases
HALF-LIFE (GoldSrc) Anthology:
https://mega.nz/file/GRUCGbAY#RhOiqxnf7UPOiXcJNbRh-prKIEVRhjJaEpAkt34lyZg
4CHAN DOSPACK + Win98 games:
https://mega.nz/#F!3t8nzSIS!947kyMN6Z80f8HS7q2XlqA

Assorted /vr/ shooters, mods, etc:
https://mega.nz/#F!QXIk1bjB!NHRWGIfjcc77PyGgRlga4Q
https://mega.nz/#F!GtEQTISJ!CCJGyPEEEsZasc1PMXicUA

MIDI COLLECTIONS
https://files.catbox.moe/2hul76.zip
https://mega.nz/file/dWQ3SThI#qYcpa4eGQj6ElyRZgjGqszR59dh4Fq9D3qXYee54kZQ
https://archive.org/details/archiveteam-geocities-midi-collection-2009
https://archive.org/details/midiru-archive-2022-02-25.7z

== INFO/LINKS ==
OFFICIAL DOOM WIKI
https://doomwiki.org/

WHERE TO FIND WADS
Vanilla/Boom: https://doomworld.com/forum/4-wads-mods/
ZDoom: https://forum.zdoom.org/viewforum.php?f=19
/idgames: https://doomworld.com/idgames/

MODDING RESOURCES
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewforum.php?f=37
https://realm667.com/

== /VR/DOOM COMMUNITY ==
THREAD ARCHIVES
https://desuarchive.org/vr/search/text/"doom thread"/type/op/

OUR WADS/MODS
https://rentry.org/vrdepot

MAKING NEW THREADS PROPERLY
https://pastebin.com/8mDnrsrB

IMAGE/WAD DATABASE
https://vrdoom.booru.org/
https://clovr.xyz/wadsup/

MULTIPLAYER SERVERS
US West: https://clovr.xyz/
CA/US Midwest: https://macgu.fun/

=== CURRENT PROJECTS ===
Duke It Out in /vr/
Game : DN3D | Deadline : Jan 1st 2026
Tile/Con pack: https://files.catbox.moe/thm4q7.zip
Rules: https://desuarchive.org/vr/post/11835634

HOT POTATO, aka Deep /vr/ied Potato
Game : Doom 2, MBF21 | Deadline : HOTPOTATO99.WAD
Rules: https://desuarchive.org/vr/post/12030515
Latest build: HOTPOTATO90.WAD
https://files.catbox.moe/776qut.zip

SUB MORTEM : A Dead Simple Halloween Project
Game : Doom 2, MBF21 | Deadline : October 31st
Rules: https://desuarchive.org/vr/post/12092867

=== CURRENT RELEASES ===
/Vertex Relocation/
IWAD : Doom 2 | Format : Boom
RC5: https://files.catbox.moe/a4tbzi.zip

=== NEWS ===
[10-15] GzDoom development seems to be imploding
https://github.com/ZDoom/gzdoom/issues/3395

[10-14] Duke3D is getting a fan port to Build2
https://x.com/MannyCalavera12/status/1977799227867832601

[10-12] Serious Sam 2 gets 20th anniversary patch.
https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/204340/view/520852898086650127

[10-1] ALIZARIN (RC1) ~ Avant-Garde Monochromatic Megawad
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/155368

[10-8] Nightdive delisting original System Shock 2.
https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/238210/view/503964319779651936

[10-8] New EduardoAndFriends wad
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/155461

[10-5] GMDX_AE mod updated to v1.1
https://moddb.com/mods/give-me-deus-ex-augmented-edition

[10-4] DOOM & DOOM 2 re-releases by Nerve will be delisted from mobile platforms due to recent Unity security vulnerability.
https://msrc.microsoft.com/update-guide/advisory/ADV256762

[10-3] RAMP 2025 is available to download
https://ramp2025.doomproject.com/

[10-2] Sunder 2510 released with MAP21 "The Leviathan's Arteries"
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/post/2971041

=== PREVIOUS ===
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-vrTgPGmlLwdO5VHHCJMxmRD05E6XlNmqHIN8aykRG0
TO SUBMIT NEWS, REPLY TO THIS POST (ideally with the [MM-DD] date bracket)

>>12104192 (OP)
Why does he wear the meat pants?

>>12104204
Latest Hot Potato (HOTPOTATO92.WAD): https://files.catbox.moe/vqdnbi.zip

>>12104225
Thanks, sorry, I mildly panicked while making this thread.

forked under a

>>12104228
Chicken man is based and all trannies just lost the game.

>>12104228
Do you think the fork will take off or will everyone forget about the drama in two weeks?

>>12104235
Honestly? Ideally the latter, because the thought of Rachael being in charge of GzDoom's ultimate fate makes me want to fucking 41% myself.

It's probably not going to be ideal though.

>>12104235
GZ has no devs left. He is all alone.
Lots of excitement for UZDoom.

>>12104235
it will probably chug along for awhile until the trannies start infighting because they no longer have the autistic german man to blame for everything (and no longer have his talent to keep the project going to begin with). chicken bro will continue working on his project and everyone will continue using it. the end.

>>12104241
You should temper that excitement, because the people in charge of UZDoom are the ones who most frequently broke GzDoom in updates.

This entire thing is a tantrum brought on by Graf removing the broken and unfinished Tooltip feature.

>>12104241
Hello Rachael.

>>12104235
All the major contributors walked, the ones that have done the lion's share of the work for the last few years.

Maybe Graf will replace them, maybe he'll just take their code like he was doing with VKDoom's and keep shoving it in to GzDoom.

>>12104241
This, for better or worse. Personally I want a "less is more" approach to it. I want less graphical fucking around to get it to looking/feeling like Doom again. Standard Doom controls by default, more vanilla styled rendering and all.

Any word on what Graf plans to do? At this point he might just be glad to be rid of the project.

And what of Raze?

>>12104246
>and no longer have his talent to keep the project going to begin with
What talent? He's been an absent project leader for the last year, in a development group notorious for nobody really talking to each other to begin with.

>>12104259
He's an actual seasoned and experienced programmer, they aren't. Graf's autism has had a lot of drawbacks, but it has also has worked as a counterweight to the various semi-retards who contribute regularly to the project.

For any guy who still has his penis and doesn't wear lingerie, this is great time to message Graf, show him your support, and offer to take the place of one of his lost tranny team members. If you don't want sexually-confused men controlling this scene, then take control of it yourself and become part of the solution to the problem.

Before you ask, i have libvpx.

>>12104282
>Before you ask, i have libvpx.
You should see a doctor about that.

>>12104269
>He's an actual seasoned and experienced programmer
Doesn't do much when he's never there, and if he's marinated in pure programming skill then why did he need to use fucking ChatGPT?

>>12104192 (OP)
>SUB MORTEM : A Dead Simple Halloween Project
Just for the mood of the season, a simple and straightforward mapping project.

>Assets: Ad Mortem, no additional assets or custom textures (there's already LOTS).
https://files.catbox.moe/tsacv4.zip

>iWAD: Doom 2
>Map Format: MBF21
>Constraint: Playable area MUST fit 2048x2048 box.
>Deadline: Your level should be fully completed by October 31st.

For WIP screenshots, submissions, or questions regarding Sub Mortem, reply here.

Currently 1 level submitted.

>>12104285
Dr Stallman said it's non-proprietary.

>>12104259
>literally created GZDoom
>spent years working on it
>one day, had some other shit to do and didn't completely invest his life in it for a few months
>BRO WHAT TALENT LMAO
you are a stupid disingenuous fag with no redeeming qualities

>>12104314
Go back to bed Graf, you know full well some of the people there had been working on it for decades too.

>>12104269
that experience doesn't really mean shit if he rarely ever uses it anymore to the point where he'd rather let LLMs do it for him. it seems like the gz team has mostly just been doing shit without him anyways.

at the end of the day most people are gonna play what zdoom.org points to, so UZDoom is gonna replace GZDoom and it'll probably be a big nothingburger.

>>12104321
>most people are gonna play what zdoom.org points to
Who even owns that now after all of the fun police shit?

>>12104319
>y-you are le graf
>trannies worked on the thing you created too bro...
word brah

>>12104326
It never stopped being Rachael as webmaster with Wild Weasel as the server paypig, the two main conspirators.

They just symbolically gave up their admin role on the forums that has almost nothing to do with their actual influence, kek.

>>12104210
Bloodstain's levels are a work of art. Shame about most of the gameplay.

>>12104326
It says Rachael keeps it afloat on the About page. So I assume that means UZDoom will probably get top billing.

>>12104271
based

Everyone should use the best zdoom and thats lzdoom.

>>12104359
But iz it tho?

>>12104343
I loved the gameplay too.

>>12104294
>>12103583
Let's Snack On Graveyard Candy v2
https://files.catbox.moe/irzx4m.wad

Swapped the midi for the version from Pirate Doom. Keeping the final boss, because idk if I need to get good but he absolutely wrecks me if I set him loose. Since the map is pretty earlygame and chill already, I'd say he can stay as is.

>>12104403
Nah, Anon's just too shy to admit he's hard into ManDoom.
https://web.archive.org/web/20191217102537/http://users.zoominternet.net/~tain/ManDoom/

>>12104259
the real service Graf provided was tardwrangling
he didn't just go "NO" for no reason, when he shot down shit it was usually because it a.) would be pointless, b.) wouldn't work, c.) it would just bloat GZDoom further, or d.) all of the above
tl;dr the problem is that Graf has restraint and none of the splinter devs know what that is

>>12104440
He shot down plenty of good ideas, too.

Saar I Will Not Use The Trannie Doom. Saar I Use GZDoom, Made With AI Like Elon Saar.

>>12104454
that's true, but at the very least he knew how to tell people "no" instead of just letting them shove any crap they like into an already bloated source port
there's a reason pretty much all previous (G)ZDoom forks have failed

>>12104294
Making some more progress. Half of the map is ready. I'm noticing some weird bouncing off walls in recent Woof! version. Dunno why.

>>12104440
How was he [no]ing stuff when he wasn't even there? Does the chicken inspire such primal fear that they only did what he wanted even when he wasn't there?

>>12104440
>he didn't just go "NO" for no reason, when he shot down shit it was usually because it a.) would be pointless, b.) wouldn't work, c.) it would just bloat GZDoom further, or d.) all of the above
What's this about it "getting killed" via adding a dark mode to the built-in launcher? >>12098818

>>12104460
>there's a reason pretty much all previous (G)ZDoom forks have failed
How many previous forks saw most contributors switch to it?

>>12104235
Dunno, but I hope somebody remembers about Eternity in all this.
It would be nice for it to have an actual team again.

>>12104228
A brief on the recent events

>>12104490
this one seemingly has Rachael at the helm, it'll collapse due to infighting in a few months max

>>12104571
>your politicking and backstabbing have been a known quantity for 15+ years
>guilty of being corrupt and complicit in abuse
>now heading a high-profile fork of the largest port in existence
non-pieces of shit btfo'd

>>12104571
I thought one of the points being made with UZDoom was that no singular person was in charge anymore?

>>12104636
it's Rachael, even if it's supposedly a group effort she'll still worm her way into being in control

>>12104636
Owning the site they depend on to function gives her outsized authority, no matter what she may say.

>>12104640
github belongs to rachael?

>>12104645
DRDTeam does.

>>12104647
Whats to stop them from using something else?

Posting in a teenager gossip thread.

I miss Doom.

>>12104650
Laziness and stupidity. If they oust her, which should have happened during the fun police shit, somebody else has to know how to run their precious webspace.

>>12104235
I don't know, and for the most part I don't really care because I just use Nugget Doom.

Guaranteed that the people currently discussing GZDoom's development ITT have never written a single line of C or C++ an clearly have no clue how git works.

This is all every thread is going to be for months, isn't it.

>>12104690
Yes.

>>12104192 (OP)
>kyaaa! onii-chan baka!

>>12104686
Same, but some mods require GZDoom

>>12104697
retvrn to vanilla

>>12104687
>Guaranteed that the people currently discussing the terrible state of the city's roads ITT have never paved a single road themselves

>>12104704
Do not engage.

>>12104687
The ones that know how to code are usually too focused working on their own mod\source port to post here, except maybe drop a webm showing off.

>>12104706
i think i will
>>12104687
anon, have you ever created a doom wad? made music? anything creative?

>>12104690
We can talk about trannies or GZDoom. Take your pick.

>>12104710
Not Doom, but I have contributed to several Quake engines and any time there's the slightest hint of disagreement you weasels come out of the woodwork.

>>12104714
do you have anything to back up that claim? its extremely easy to claim you did something you didnt on here.

>>12104716
It's also extremely easy for the dipshits making up shit ITT to come annoy me elsewhere if I did, so I won't.

>>12104697
If something requires another port, then sure, I'll use whatever it is; Nugget's just my comfort port.

>>12104710
>i think i will
And this is exactly why this entire website has gone straight to hell. Somebody can lay down the most obvious bait in the world and people won't just take it, they'll be proud about it for some fucking reason.

>>12104717
well, in that case, i coded the first opengl renderer for zdoom, and my online handle is "graf zahl". my irl is christoph.
>>>12104721
>"this site has gone to hell because someone is willingly engaging with obvious bait!!!!!"
>he says while replying to obvious bait

>>12104704
You're not criticizing the roads, you're criticizing who's paving them for how and with whom they do it, not the result. Everyone on this website sucks at analogies. At least it wasn't food.

>>12104690
The other autist was getting tiresome, this is at least a change in pace.

>>12104730
Must there always be an autist? I'm tired, boss.

>>12104690
Doubt it. With forks like this it usually becomes pretty obvious which one has more development momentum behind it pretty quickly and considering right now UZ seems like the more likely candidate the gossipers will probably shut up soon. Plus they're like dogs, they'll find some new shiny drama to latch onto. Just hope that new shiny drama isn't related to old shooters.

>>12104737
Such is the nature of 4chan, Anon. Even if we didn't have these guys, we would still have the Sega System spammer, who can bring the entire board to its knees whenever he feels like it.

>>12104730
Forgot to reply to this one but I suspect he's part of the reason why we have the Graf autism here, he's shifted gears for a new type of shitposting.
Terminal threadshitters do that, they'll have a few select gimmicks they'll switch between as time goes on.

Has Graf said anything at all since the split, come to think of it?

>>12104737
What, you don't like how every recurring thread and plenty more must have some kind of recurring, vindictive eGimp on modern 4chan who contributes nothing? Nonsense. Here, have some more /v/ spin-offs.

>>12104737
all the bad posters here make a lot more sense when you remember how many people were upset about the new captchas. the bar is the floor

Is Serious Sam Fusion allowed?

Man, I remember like, a year ago, when they started work on a netcode update for GZDoom. How people actually had some hopes for it this time, and how it actually made progress. How it was enough that some mod developers were starting work on better multiplayer compatibility, for stuff like Reelism 2. How a couple months ago, everyone was talking it up; that 4.15 was gonna be THE multiplayer update

Now this happened. No update, no multiplayer, nothing. All you get instead is the thread starting to smell like /v/
Why must co-op players be persecuted like this

am i the only one who finds Quake 2s The Reckoning expansion to be kind of a slog to play through? i

>>12104737
It's not their fault that the mad ocelot god won't stop screaming at them.

>>12104767
Anon?

>>12104770
he's wherever graf is now

>>12104770
yeah, sorry, i had more i wanted to say but thought better of it. i backspaced all of it except for the i

>>12104767
I'm only up to the reactor core but I like it so far. Only sloggy bits were plinking at those swimming/jumping guys with the normal shotgun at the start.

>>12104765
Anon they forked it over to UzDoom and are carrying on as if nothing happened, they took all the devs anyway so nothing's really changed.

>>12104778
those didnt feel so bad to me, honestly. only 2 units ahead of you, and everything else just kinda feels....i dont know, some of it feels very lazy, other parts are fun. im glad youre enjoying it, though.

>>12104762
Fusion essentially has TFE + TSE HD on a different pipeline that also hosts BFE, I don't see why not other than some preferring the originals.

>>12104765
For all the autism the Doom community has, it's a little baffling how we don't really have a good modern multiplayer solution keeping up with all the developments.

>>12104789
I think the problem is that Doom wasn't initially built with a client/server model like Quake was so any modern multiplayer solution has to completely redo the network model. Now imagine that with a behemoth like GZ.

>GZDoom is too far ahead to implement anything like Zandronum
>Zandronum has branched too far out to catch up to GZDoom
fuuuuuck

>>12104790
I do think it's pretty telling if Zandronum realistically has no chance what with ZScript and the like being major impediments. Hypothetically, would it just be easier to have a new, advanced port design around client-server from the beginning? Whatever happens I imagine would case another split with mods.

>>12104790
I wish it had gone down differently from the beginning. Most ports should have had multiplayer solutions, instead of this weird divide where MP ports are totally separate (and need their own versions of mods) and you end up with pains like >>12104794.
Of course, who would have done all this work?

>>12104790
Quake's also a sore spot in its own right, as--at least to my knowledge--there's still no real good solid sourceport for cooperative multiplayer. It's still got that split where Quakeworld is great but Quake is on NetQuake and that's pure doodoo.
>>12104794
I'd be happier with Zandronum if they were at least able to push up to the final version of ZDoom, as there is a decent number of maps that fit into that category of requiring the last round of features but didn't make the move to GZDoom and Zscript. As it stands, the only port that advertises client/server and is able to run them is K8V, and K8V has its own round of headaches to deal with.

>>12104806
Just catching up to final ZDoom would be a huge deal because we'd have things like Final Doomer and RLA running.

>>12104806
>Quake's also a sore spot in its own right, as--at least to my knowledge--there's still no real good solid sourceport for cooperative multiplayer.
vkQuake

>>12104790
>wasn't built with a client/server model like Quake
>so any modern multiplayer solution has to completely redo the network model
The thing is, both of the modern multiplayer sourceports still trace back to csDoom. Odamex builds directly on it, and Zandronum has some csDoom code through Skulltag adopting pieces of it. csDoom also released only a couple years into ZDoom's lifetime, so the question is more why wasn't this effort integrated into the first place.

I'd be interested if anyone ever collected all the info on it. Like how much of it was community in-fighting, how much of it was needed developers going closed-source for a while, how much was it due to such ports needing to ditch features to keep multiplayer working, etc. etc.

>>12104820
vkQuake is definitely better than average, but it's still not great. It technically crosses the bar of being satisfactory, so it's hard to rag on its co-op element without coming across as a degree of being picky or entitled...but I'll do it anyways.

>>12104806
Sure, there's nothing explicitely co-op focused, but there have been efforts to tweak netquake for better netcode which is much easier, as its already authorative server architecture.

>>12104806
>push up to the final version of ZDoom
Is something getting in their way, or just the workload of updating everything?

>>12104836
Indeed. At the end of the day, it's at least enough that we've been able to have Quake co-op sessions here in the past, and it's my port of choice when playing with friends. I'll admit, part of it is just personal use case, as I play with people far enough away that they cross that they step over the 100ms threshold, and that's one of the situations where the limitations in the netcode start to show their teeth.

Otherwise, I'll admit it's actually pretty decent.

>>12104231
>"all trannies just lost the game"
>half of chicken mans dev team are trannies, and all are literally covering up a pedophile groomer (marisa)
good bait

>>12104249
his name is Richard
>>12104254
gzdoom doesn't need updates, it plays doom.

haven't updated my copy in 5 years, which is when I downloaded it

>>12104894
Can you play newer mods?
If you only play vanilla and you're using GZDoom, you're a fool.

>>12104282
either override the linked library manually to point to the current version or recompile the whole thing
also, you didn't say what system you're running or where you got the binary from, so don't except people to magically know your setup

>>12104904
plays every mod I've attempted to play.

>>12104894
>gzdoom doesn't need updates, it plays doom
GZDoom ""plays"" Doom

>>12104915
more like pretends to be doom. its the program equivalent of a skinwalker pretending to be a loved family friend

>>12104915
>>12104918
When would you say sourceports go from playing Doom to "playing" Doom?
For example any sane person would agree that Chocolate plays Doom, but what about Crispy, or Wolf, or Nugget, or DSDA?

>>12104921
>Wolf
Woof*
I'm tired

https://github.com/UZDoom/UZDoom/commit/d9ebfff0b56e0ad1a45476e8841bfcd756473830
>Re-license to GPLv2
but why?
i didn't sign up for this shit

>>12104927
oh wait, that's just for a single file
>haptic feedback
fucking nothing

disregard that, i suck dick

It begins

>>12104921
at the point that the game is more a graphical suite than game. theres a difference between looking and playing good (doomretro 5.x, crispy, choco)*, and focusing on looking like a game much newer, while doing nothing for the player without the addition of external files (gzdoom).
for all of its graphic options and neat tech wizardry, its just a community built graphics suite that does very little for the player besides looking new and shiny (literally, if you use texture filtering), as well as supporting other peoples hard work to turn doom into something else/more. its essentially a script extender with a bunch of bullshit tacted on.

*i didnt include wolf in the list as its the only sourceport youve listed that ive never used. therefore, i have no idea what it does, other than launch doom

>>12104507
Eternity would be usable if it had proper in-game complevels. I ain't flipping individual settings in the menu to get something "close enough" to resemble Boom and then having to do it again to play an MBF21 wad. And from what I remember, it does vanilla properly but needs to be launched with a command line parameter, which is again very janky. Why can't I just choose vanilla in the menu?

The drama does seem blown out of proportion. He's right about at least one thing, people WILL consult AI about code more and you won't always know. Fuck texture filtering though, thank god they turned that off by default finally.

>>12104945
>Wolf
I'm tired, I meant Woof, which Nugget is based on:
https://github.com/fabiangreffrath/woof

>>12104935
>ain't flipping individual settings in the menu to get something "close enough" to resemble Boom and then having to do it again to play an MBF21 wad.
You do know you can just set up different .inis for different shit and make it use them using the -config launch command, right?

>>12104942
I at least have hopes based on the fact that this guy is the one that I remember first posting about the GZDoom netcode update tests about 8 months ago. I don't really keep abreast about anything else regarding the devs working on it or what this guy does more as part of the group or whatever, that's literally all I actually care about.

>>12104951
ive still never used it, but i might now, actually. it seems very interesting. no worries, anon. maybe get some rest. doom will be here tomorrow and sleep is important

>>12104954
i think youre tagging the wrong person, anon

>>12104665
>her

>>12104956
Nash is an ok dude and seems to be the one taking charge despite the scaremongering some Anon keeps doing with weird conspiracy shit.

>>12104945
GZDoom also fixes or improves the most egregious vanilla jank the other ports leave in, so you can finally have consistent melee range on punching and chainsaw, no blockmap bullshit, or awful vanilla collision with non-orthogonal walls. It's an objectively better experience for normal, non-demo recording players.

>>12104969
none of these things are gzdoom specific.

>>12104973
So which other port also does the above?

>>12104980
Your mom, lol

>>12104969
I've never felt any jank in Nugget. You can even enable walking over/under enemies even though the port still feels relatively faithful

>>12104980
several. doomretro, the one i have the most experience with, does literally all of that, including the recording (lol, though, who gives a shit about that).
dsda doesnt do much other than be easy to record afaik, as its meant to be as vanilla as possible.
chocolate (which doomretro is based heavily on), fixes the melee range and most of the blockmap (i say most, as sometimes its still present. DR fixes this.). i havent noticed any issues with the non-orthogonal walls with choco, either.

>>12104913
You must not play many newer mods. Which to be fair: Most of those aren't worth it.
I have to stay on top of this shit so I can play HD, Golden Souls 3, and Treasure Tech Land.

>>12104991
nta, but theres a golden souls 3??? when the fuck did that happen? last i remember, gs2 was still an early release sort of deal

>>12104991
>Treasure Tech Land
Ah, not him, but I didn't know there was a map pack made/being made for Treasure Tech specifically

That gameplay mod is one of my #1 reasons for wanting multiplayer to become more stable and playable.

>>12104994
Damn dude you're out of the loop, GS2 came out years ago, then Batandy remade GS1 and it's really fucking good. Now he's in the process of making a third game with some new mobility stuff like wall jumping, long jumping, and ledge mantling.

>>12104997
Yeah, Ultra is in the process of making Treasure Tech a total conversion at this rate.

>>12105000
>remade GS1
holy shit, seriously? is it out?

>>12104994
>last i remember, gs2 was still an early release sort of deal
Anon...
>After a series of beta releases, the mod was released on June 27, 2018

>>12105001
Yes. It pretty much addresses every problem I had with the original, and adds a few little tweaks. Like killing enemies with your fists makes them drop armor now.

https://batandy.itch.io/goldensouls

>>12105003
yeah, i havent kept up with golden souls at all

>>12105005
thats sick as fuck. thanks for the link, im gonna start playing it

https://boards.4chan.Name
org/vr/thread/12099986#p12103648
>Nightdive should just reel him in and limit what he can post to be honest.
The problem is that his colleague either excuse or endorse this behavior. Nightdive is fully aware of how he acts and they're perfectly fine with this.
If anything, your only bet would be someone sending a big ass complaint to Atari.
>>12103685
>>12103789
>Did Edward seriously only post like five times in the last 7 years on ZDoom Forums or were some posts removed during some drama?
Could be, but maybe it was on Doomworld? He's much more active there.

>>12103648
>Nightdive should just reel him in and limit what he can post to be honest.
The problem is that his colleague either excuse or support this behavior. Nightdive is fully aware of how he acts and they're perfectly fine with this.
If anything, your only bet would be someone sending a big ass complaint to Atari.
>>12103685
>>12103789
>Did Edward seriously only post like five times in the last 7 years on ZDoom Forums or were some posts removed during some drama?
Could be, but maybe it was on Doomworld? He's more active there.

>update gzdoom and raze for the first time in a while
>still has the same game-breaking bugs from like over a year ago (Adventures of Square crashes in gzdoom, aiming broken on Raze; though it feels slightly better than before, its almost playable again)
I gave you a chance chickenfag, and you failed, again.
and the trannies? how, if they couldn't fix this shit under Graf, are they gonna do it alone?
what a joke. someone just start over from scratch or something. its too fucked to continue.

>>12105068
Done.

>>12104767
No, Quake expansions as a whole felt like a slog to me. I don't like Quake 1 or 2 expansions, although the fan content for both games are 10/10 at least.
Also, sorry to see candlejack is up to his ol

>>12105082
i havent played the quake 1 ones, yet. but ive heard that theyre very mid. frankly, i wouldnt bother with the quake 2 ones at this point, but i wanna get through them to play call of the machine and call of the void.
>Also, sorry to see candlejack is up to his ol
who or what is candlejac-

>>12105095
SoA is pretty alright.
DoE is ass.
Both Machine Games expansions are solid.

>>12105103
fair enough. ill probably get to them...eventually.

>>12105103
Yeah, for all their awful politics Machine Games know how to make a modern expansion. Admittedly you can see the mods they were influenced by in their works, but at least they know what they're doing.

>>12104687
>non sequitur
junior/nocoder detected

>>12104690
Get a grip, there are far more posts on wads, dev, quake, etc then on the gzdoom fork. Have you got emotional blinders on?

>>12104948
LLMs are good as coding assistants, like a far more reliable stackoverflow
fuckers who just paste generated code and don't check it need to be shot though

>>12105150
>LLMs are good as coding assistants, like a far more reliable stackoverflow
1) No, they aren't more reliable than SO.
2) Both SO and LLMs are largely only useful for inexperienced developers that don't know the language or platform. Basic autocomplete had been taking care of boilerplate code for years before generative AI came along.
My job gave all devs copilot licenses over a year ago and the only people i've heard praise it are fresh grads and BAs/PMs who want to cobble together small python or excel formulas with a bunch of trial and error.

>>12105150
In my experience the code LLMs shit out is so bad and unnecessarily bloated that it'd take me less time to write it myself than to fix it. Especially the bloat is terrible. It's like every LLM was trained exclusively on enterprise Java monkeys but somehow it shits out even more lines than the worst Java code I've seen. You could ask it for fizzbuzz and it'd make it 150 lines of code somehow.

>Help me find a wad based on vague recollections!
Let's see if such quiz will be successful. I have several of these which were bugging the hell out of me for the past weeks!

Whether of a megawad or an episode, this map was part of a bigger project.

You start inside an underground base, effectively overlooking a large canal, which you need to cross with platforming (1) or otherwise using a lift (2). Other side has square-looking decorations, either sticking out of the ceiling or the floor. Your first task here is to hit a switch on the other side, which starts a difficult ammo-deficient fight (by opening a closet with multiple barons and lowering the water level of the canal, which opens a sewer pathway with cacodemons emerging from). I remember that making these infight was crucial. There was also, supposedly, a closet with a group of pinkies, which in turn lead into a different area of unknown purpose. Question marks designate such areas of which I have no memories.

Know that any details may have inconsistencies and are in no way precise, up to me blending memories from different pwads.

Anyone got some spooky Doom mod/wad suggestions? Not picky, except if it's jumpscare simulator. Those are cheap and annoying.

>>12104703
trvke

>>12105000
Oh really? The first Golden Souls had some rough aspects I suppose.

>>12105005
Hell yes.

>>12105190
I found the weapons of the OG Golden Souls to be really lackluster, also having unmodified ZDoom jump physics was a bit of ball ache. The remaster addresses both of those.

>>12104942
>>12104968
>Nash implements his gore system into the new port that won't interfere with other mods and people can work with as a baseline, just like Nugget

>>12105195
i would literally cum if he did that. were talking hot glue everywhere.

>>12105224
How'd you get glue in there?

>>12105232
well, it wasnt easy. ill tell you that much

>>12104767
>am i the only one who finds Quake 2s The Reckoning expansion to be kind of a slog to play through?
It and Ground Zero are more of the same, for better and worse: More and more Q2 techbase. If you’re playing outside of the remaster, they’ll also be carried by gradual enemy improvements as you go into them from the vanilla campaign.
Seconding the quality of the Machinegames expansions, but in retrospect it is slightly odd that they took a hub-style approach for Quake 2.

>>12105238
>GZ isnt much different
im so tired of techbases lol. theyre more of the same schlock from base q2, down to collecting power cubes. i might just skip to call of the machine and call of the void.

>>12105265
>mfw techbase enjoyer

>>12105265
>im so tired of techbases lol
I love them but I will want a break from them sometimes, something Q1+mods helps with.

>>12105184
Spooktober.
Be warned, it's mostly shit, but a few of the levels are really fun and have the perfect cheesy Halloween atmosphere to them.
Imperishable Fright and For Whom It is Reserved are my favourites.

>>12104638
lol

>UZ-Doom
Finally, a source port that remembers the great country of Uzbekistan. Proud of 'em.

>>12104638
Why do all far-anything faggots are always such disingenuous faggots? Why are you omitting the part where he submits literally untested literally not working code written by literal AI that literally crashes the compiler?

>walking the dog this cold October afternoon
>going past the dark forest
>hear it again
>that distant Mr. Krabs walking sound
>turn reflexively
>no machinegun for me instinctively reach for, this is IRL
>cold sweat
>dog looks at me, worried
>hurry home with him in fear
>don't look back
>lock the door and turn down all the blinds
THAT SHIT WASN'T FUNNY YOU GUYS

>>12104997
Yeah, I checked out the TTL maps a few months ago and was pleasantly surprised, also very pleasantly surprised by the music selection. Didn't expect multiple good ones.

>>12105292
>led by Marisa the groomer
Pass desu.

How long until the new port's in Delta Touch?

>>12105408
It was funny. Dwars should trash Nightdive, he can do a good job with that. I know you're hanging out here sometimes. Don't be a pussy.

>>12105195
Even just baseline being able to have colored blood without using decorate or something would be a pretty big deal.

>>12105287
i really should play more q1. i just recently beat arcane dimensions for the like. 6th time, now im working on Contract Revoked

>>12105430
I sometimes get a feeling that some e-celebs and modders wish to work at a studio like Nightdive or even id, which is why they don't trashtalk those that much.
Which at the same time is ironic because you'd think they'd look at the history of mods, ports or even specific things like the term "Doomguy" and brag about "we, the fans, carried this series" or some shit like that.

>>12105408
his fake german accent was on point

>>12105408
>the thumbnail with Selaco “le no chicken” graffiti
Someone here was asking for that not long ago.

Finished Mohrta.
Highly recommend.

>Difficulty
Low to medium. It's a Scumhead game. Enemy archetypes line up fairly closely with regular doom enemies. Lots of variety though. The enemies are also designed with your dodge dash in mind so you will have to use it.

>Level design
"Open Linear"
As in, the levels are fairly open, but also have linear progression and lead you very effectively. I think I only got truly lost like once near the end.

>Art design
Look, this is the selling point. You know it I know it everybody knows it.

This is what Mohrta is. It's an overwise pretty normal "modded doom" type game with god tier art design.

Also has a surprising amount of story. Multiple endings, even.

>>12105482
what does this mean? i'm not familiar with selaco beyond the knowledge that it's a tranny game

Everything related to GZDoom should be banned. It was never /doom/ in the first place, and now that every last bit of legacy ZDoom code is getting AIslopped it no longer has anything to do with the original idtech1 games.

>>12105340
it's because they're snowflakes who are constantly flustered and are unable to argue actual logical points. the rightoids i mean. notice how they keep attacking the posters' character never addressing their arguments, which they've always been accusing their opponents of
speaking of actual arguments, the chicken is either retarded for not adding branch protection for master, or he refused to do it purposefully so he can push his shitty unchecked commits straight to it, which is a certified bad faith action

>>12105360
Thanks for reminding me to place some of those.

>>12105340
Everything's got to be a part of some stupid culture war that they have to pick a side on and fight to the bitter end over.

>>12105539
Funny you say all this but can't argue the logical point that you'll never be a real woman

>>12105404
I know fuck all about the drama, but I get it. I don't like playing Slipseer maps because Fairweather's cult and the attempts at canceling the older Quake mapping community over insane allegations the sheep clearly made up.

>>12105557
>backstabbery
>groomery
Is there stuff about Slipgroup being part of the latter?

>>12105572
Probably, they're a weird zoomer group who all massively upvote each others maps and are as cliquey as it gets, so I'd bet on it.

>>12105578
>Probably
There's been documentation here about what Marisa's been up to so I'd need more than a "probably". As cool as things like DoomReal are, it's where I draw the line.

>>12105557
Marisa is a pedo roach who insists on inserting itself in multiple sides of the community aftef getting found out. It got permabanned from the ZDoom forums back in 2023, spent 2024 in silence and as of 2025 tried getting cozy in this general to the point of using a tripcode. It also got banned from the UZDoom repo. There's some backstabbing involved as well, but I'm mostly familiar with the pedo incident that basically killed ZDF.

Ironically, I'm yet to run into Fairweather's nonsense and I remain largely ignorant to any drama in the Quake scene. This is purely because I've mostly been playing Doom for most of my life and I'm already tired of how many sex pests infest these older games.

I started maining DSDA this year anyway but I'm amused with the chaos.

>>12105587
>as of 2025 tried getting cozy in this general to the point of using a tripcode
Tripfagged here years ago too, would constantly fucking namesearch these threads.

In hindsight it's no wonder Term disappeared from here early on.

>>12105557
>Fairweather's cult and the attempts at canceling the older Quake mapping community
Quake scene has always been much more serious about social PvP than Doom, it's a bit too mean-spirited for me that makes it hard to want to get involved. A shame, because the sheep character is kind of cute if you overlook the trail of havoc.

>>12105587
>banned from the UZDoom repo
To take a leaf from their book, "lmao"

>>12105583
Well from the confusion, upset and general suddenness of Spirit and other important members of the Quake community being accused by some nobody who then went on to take everything over I'd say the circumstantial evidence is pretty damning.

>>12105630
Hit me up with something concrete once you come across it. There's great snaky and backstabbing evils like Tim Willits, and then there's diddlers. And I can tolerate Willy and his (or supposedly his sister's) maps.

>>12105489
Here >>12099184

>>12105659
Why does he wear the chicken mask?

>>12105489
Oh...

... so, who's bigger? Her or Zan?

>>12105665
He just really, really liked Moorhuhn.

>>12105675
Doubt a human could compete with orc futa cock.

>>12105675
Zan's is massive in the official artwork by the developer, so probably her's.

>>12104948
The people most vocally discussing this whole thing are just some zoomers who bought entirely into the LE CHICKEN MAN BAD meme and are too retarded to change settings.
I never understood all that sourceport warring, if you don't like GZDoom you don't need to use it or care about it.
I just wish all that drama shit were left out of this general, but that's what you get with all the newfags and tourists.

I literally can't play Doom unless I go for 100%. Same for Quake and any retro FPS. It just feels wrong.

>>12105689
>if you don't like GZDoom you don't need to use it or care about it
There's plenty of mods that only work on it. This argument would make sense for most other ports but not GZ.

>>12105720
All those mods suck. The good ones have standalone releases on places like moddb

>>12104241
>GZ has no devs left.

Graf will just poach their code from their git if he likes it. He doesn't care who wrote it.

>>12104825
Needs bilinear filtering

>>12104956
Yeah, Nash is the one I have the most faith in. Not least because he seems to be the only one who is mentally stable.

It's still early for me to think that UZ will be adopted over GZ. I expect that UZ will probably just as if not be more broken than GZ in less than 50 commits.

I hope that DOS remains in 4.10/4.11 version of GZ for Doom Infinite, and stops fighting against it for the new implementations for the next versions of DI.

>>12104241
>GZ has no devs left. He is all alone.
We have no cats, Kathleen.
>>12105730
Yeah he's already quite fond of code poaching, even from ports that aren't compatible.

>>12105726
Don't you slander my boy Batandy like that.

>>12105731
I expect a very similar outcome to the PolyMC/Prismlauncher situation.

>>12105426
For what? Why does everyone interested in gzdoom games is so scared of recent drama. There's nothing game changing in new branches to need any updates to already released stuff

>>12105184
Red Spiral '93 + Project Malice

>>12105184
Hellkrieger + Darkdoomz

>>12105675
Selaco is a tranny game (cringe) because it has shit like HRT posters, I don't know if the player character is supposed to be a tranny

Hedon is a futa game (based) because futas are an inherently fantastical thing with no attachment to trooner ideology

Zan would be bigger either way because we know from official artwork she has a third leg

you might think the idea that futa (fictional) and troonshit are different is stupid, but that's just how it is, i don't make the rules, i just observe and describe them

>>12105708
I have to draw the line when it gets too time consuming. Am I missing 2 enemies, and I can't find anything after looping the map 5 times? Too bad, time to leave. This happened to me a few times in the reworked Heretic maps recently. Checking the Doom Wiki didn't help much because the maps had new areas, and there wasn't much info here or elsewhere on the internet. I did pull out the map editor once...

>>12105772
You seem to be thinking about cocks a lot.

>>12105776
He's a futafag, of course he thinks about dicks a lot

>>12105775
>This happened to me a few times in the reworked Heretic maps recently.
Xaser fucked a bunch of them up, do some bits in the wrong order and you lock yourself out of access to some monster closets and secrets.

>>12105772
Quick correction, futas have both sets of genitals while Zan only has the dong, making Zan a dude with boobs.

>graf really was just being retarded on purpose this whole time
glad i'm forever on gzdoom 4.10. i don't even know what i'm supposed to be missing beyond objectively shittier lighting options.
>the trannydevs BETRAYED him
he was hyperdefensive over said trannydevs until five seconds ago when google gemini became more convenient

>>12105776
Yes, and? Last I checked, being a fag who likes fictional women with cocks doesn't come with the requirement of tolerating irl troons. Futas are inherently fictional creatures, it's not a difficult distinction to make.

>>12105784
Newhalf
insert skeletal structure, genetics, etc etc, the distinction persists
a troon is a troon, even the most passable ones are obviously men
I do prefer futas with both though

>>12105775
I only go for 100% on stuff I really, really like and often on a replay. If I'm aware of a secret map exit, I'll often go for that.
It's still a chance at being a big timesink where I spend as much time looking for secrets as I do regularly playing the map.

>>12105786
I think both sides are brain fucked gorilla fucktards and deserve each other

>>12105787
also this documentary does a good job of explaining futa, skip to like 20mins in
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-A8GvUehq4

>>12105793
it's just funny seeing graf throw them under the bus at the first convenient opportunity after like 15 years of fracturing his own community on their behalf

Where can I browse kino GoldSrc maps? Specially those that are designed as a visual candy, with lights and all that shit.

>>12105772
>I can't tell the shitposts from unironic homo-copium anymore
Maybe I'm getting too old for this gay ass site.

>>12105810
oh no there's no copium i'm a fag i just also like women and futas

>>12105808
I only know how to use it as far as it just being Decorate with 100% more semi-colons. Everything else is wizard shit to me.

>>12105820
t. graf

>>12105675
You really have to ask? All drawn by the developer.

https://rule34.xxx/index.php?page=post&s=list&tags=yuffa

>>12105772
>official artwork
That's not official though. He has said that was his own personal commissions, but officially it's not canon

>>12105808
Well it sure would've helped if it had an actual full documentation at any point in time. Let alone if it was actually updated after every new version breaking old things and adding more undocumented things.
Basically Zscript is C++ of Doom languages.

>>12105825
Anon most of it is his own artwork, a fair amount even was made for the game then got the dicks added to it.

>>12105808
That's because
a) for years everybody in this thread immediately shat their pants upon being presented even with just ACS (it wasn't like that even ten years ago, but that's another story), so nobody even tried to do anything fancy with even just decorate (except some insane weirdo making a Zandro mod with some knights or something like that, Get into their medieval asses or something)
b) zscript has about the worst documentation ever

>>12105842
>zscript has about the worst documentation ever
Wait til you see quakec extensions

>>12105720
>There's plenty of mods that only work on it.
Yeah it's funny how fags like you always complain about MUH GZD BREAKS MUH MODS I JUST UPDATED A VERSION AND WONDER WHY THE MOD IS NOT SUPPORTED ANYMORE and then turn around and complain about how there is so much legacy shit being carried along and everything getting increasingly bloated.

As I said: If you don't like, don't use it. That also entails being able to forego a mod. If not, deal with it.

is there a hardcoded vertical look limit in build or is that just an AMC thing?

>>12105825
They're not commissions, he drew them himself, for himself. Many of them predate even the earliest versions of the game by years.
They're 'not canon' because he doesn't want the potential stigma to dent his ability to profit from the game. But it's pretty obvious that he sees her as having a penis - I don't think he has EVER drawn her with a vagina. Like, not even once. Ask yourself why.

Zan's dick is canon, he just won't admit it because some people would balk.

>>12104228
sharty lost
>>12104825
icon of mort

>>12105856
Also it would have been difficult to get it on Steam and other places even back then, let alone with shit going down now.

>>12105808
zscript is not the probmem, the GL ES 3.0 shaders is another problem.

Are you supposed to play Quake on Hard or Nightmare?

For years, I've been saying people should just make mods for Zandro-level or equivalent GDZ version compatibility, it just works. Doom should work on decades old hardware if necessary simple as.

>>12105892
Hard. Nightmare makes about half the encounters in the game easier

>>12105852
That's just build

>>12105808
>>12105834
Din't they aggressively push everyone who was asking for coding help to stop using Decorate entirely for months on end when it was released, just because it was supposedly better and was easier to code shit in?

What's with trannies and their obsession with wanting everyone to conform with their ideas, fucking useless.

>>12105539
imagine getting this assblasted over a 30 year old video game

>>12105908
>Din't they aggressively push everyone who was asking for coding help to stop using Decorate entirely for months on end when it was released
That was Graf but yeah, he pushed it as better even though it later turned out to have issues that meant it was performing slower than Decorate, he tried to bully developers who were targeting 2.5 when it turned out ZScript had that arbitrary console access exploit that could brick people's hard disks, and was generally just unpleasant about the entire thing.

>>12105808
zscript's syntax is barely any more complicated than decorate, and for anything even slightly complex, it takes far less steps to do what you want than in decorate. Zscript is actually fucking great.

There are two problems that keep most people from using it:

1. For simple things that aren't doing anything outside of normal Doom behavior, you can just write it in decorate and save yourself bothering a bunch of a brackets of semicolons. The majority of everything most people want to make is going to fall into this category.
2. Zscript is largely undocumented. If you want to figure out how a zscript function/property works, you're probably not going to find an explanation on a wiki. You're going to have to go to the github, search the name of it, and read the behind it code yourself. If you're lucky, the tranny that wrote it bothered to comment it.

>>12105919
It's not Graf if he's not getting salty about people neglecting to use the stuff he made.

>>12105808
I could probably use some of the Decorate-ish stuff, since I'm very familiar with that part, but most other things would be completely new to me.

I am not a programmer, I understand my way around Decorate through frames and timing, then jumps and dummy items and what not. I'm assuming almost none of my knowhow would translate to ZScript above the Decorate level.

>>12105930
I don't really care much about that part at all, Randi never did shit to me or people I know, I just fucking hate Rachael and Marisa because they are legitimately vile persons with a list of evil to their names.

>>12105929
>If you want to figure out how a zscript function/property works, you're probably not going to find an explanation on a wiki.
Yeah even people who have been doing zscript from the get go end up running into shit either being poorly explained or not at all for how functions work.

>>12105929
So, can someone write some ACTUAL documentation for it for goddamn once? It's been impenetrable to people without programming socks for years.

>>12105953
i was just thinking that. a zcripts bible or something outlining the functions and properties

>>12105953
Why would you want anyone to make more zdoomslop mods?

So, what are the chances that Graf pushed AI code to master to make all the bottom feeders go away and take the project back?

>>12105982
You assume too much of people in general if you seriously consider that

>>12105947
>I don't really care much about that part at all, Randi never did shit to me or people I know, I just fucking hate Rachael and Marisa because they are legitimately vile persons with a list of evil to their names.
gossiping about a reality tv show tier sentence

>>12104204
[10-17] Map-Center Retro Jam 4 for Quake has been released with 25 runic themed maps
https://www.moddb.com/games/quake/addons/map-center-quake-retrojam-4

>>12104338
>graf is betrayed by a troon and wild "he/him" weasel
It's always the ones you suspect the most

>>12105808
>literally nobody knows how to use zscript
actually, marisa does :^)

>>12105892
Depends on how you're playing it. If it's vanilla it makes fast enemies the same way Doom does: Enemies throw more attacks with less of a startup but they're rarely moving. If it's the Nightdive port then the only difference is your health cap.
>>12106000
>12106000
Nice. Is this vanilla?

>>12106000
FUCK YEAH, I've been waiting for this. How perfect for Halloween, even if it's not officially based on Halloween itself.

>>12106017
>Is this vanilla?
It doesn't crash chocolate-quake but it seems to have some render issues. Haven't checked dos

>>12106017
>Nice. Is this vanilla?
Vanilla progs yes, though distributed in its own folder like a mod.
Individual map limits and features may vary, but they'll all work on Kex and Quakespasm at least.

>>12106000
>25 maps
pass
I'd rather play 1 properly made quake map than 25 speedmapping sloppa

>>12106025
That's fun, means I can play it through other gameplay mods after the initial playthrough.

>>12105982
Well, he still doing commits. Just yesterday he put a little extra step towards heretic+hexen remaster compatibility, and there was no further response after the memetic "fork the project under a" afaik

Whole event reads like some dumb family feud dramedy, where the wife (gzdoom team), not getting attention she craves under the bogus complaints of raised toilet seats, starts to performatively slam the doors and spread her grievances in soc-media support groups and news outlet radio talk shows on how evil her ex-hubby was. Pretty mundane by the modding community standards.

>>12106027
I'd rather play 25 speedmaps than one 700 enemy AD sloppa

>>12105982
Why are people so compelled to write speculative fanfiction instead of applying Occam's razor first? Do you honestly think every retard crashing out on twitter is playing 5D chess?

I'd rather play 25 speedmaps AND 25 AD maps with 700 enemies.

>>12106031
>>12104638

>>12106037
>cooked to perfection, AD masterpiece
>sloppa

>>12104406
Right, much better MIDI!
Maybe I just got lucky with the last guy, but he IS indeed a complete menace if he gets to roam freely.

>>12104462
Based sector table furnisher.

>>12105545
Devilish, looking forward to it.

>>12106041
King.

>>12106039
Everything needs to be a conspiracy or have been planned because it makes them feel smart for "figuring it out".

>>12105340

Because they're reactionary fuckwits

>>12105974
Because they make you cry.

>>12105982
Graf has never been shown to be that calculated or scheming, in fact he's kind of childish in some ways (in spite of being in his 50s).

>>12106027
>sloppa
>Using the buzzword
>>12106050
>Posting these retarded images
You aren't here to post in good faith.

>>12106062
I know that's you replying to yourself, you faggot, only leftoids use the word "reactionary."

>>12105996
See, it would be if I hadn't actually been verbally molested by one of them.

>>12104638
This reminds me of Thatcher's Techbase somehow.

>>12105801
What did graf do beyond tolerating Rachael? I only remember him le no chickening some DW retard's pull request to add pronouns to GZDoom, I'm sure that will be in UZDoom by next week.

>>12106073
In the sense that someone went and bawled to their journo friends, sure.

>>12106000
God I love runic so much.

>>12106062
>>far anything faggots
>reactionary
Anon, that word doesn't mean what you think it means.

>>12105930
Randi has stayed out of the way and hasn't said or done anything (else) retarded so there's nothing to say there other than the occasional
>tranny, lol

>>12105340
>literal AI that literally
literally right in the comic strip, multiple article headers left untouched
be honest, it's not meme's brushing over the full record that turned you into a knot

>>12106073
You're perceiving the media seizing on something for political purposes - in this case they've done it because of the anti-AI angle, despite the problem not being that Graf committed AI code, but that he committed it with obvious bugs, to master - something that shouldn't be done with bugged code regardless of whether it was written by AI.

Thatcher's Techbase was some wad nobody had played, that nobody had heard of, that did nothing special, by some guy nobody knew the name of, that the media seized on because of the easy 'right wingers are bad and the left is cool!' of 'wow, a game where you can kill demonic mecha-Thatcher! Radical!'

>>12105453
>I sometimes get a feeling that some e-celebs and modders wish to work at a studio like Nightdive or even id, which is why they don't trashtalk those that much.
It's not about the employment, it's about review opportunities. If you're on bad terms with Nightdive, they could very well just not let you review their releases. If your output centered around older FPS games, it's not in your interest to potentially cut yourself off from a company that pretty much hold monopoly on FPS remasters.

>>12106131
Is AI discussion really political? Seems like anyone's opinion on it would be only tangentially affected by their political leaning. Sounds like it's the most clickbaity angle they were able to find. Not like a casual reader is going to care about the etiquette of working on an open source project as a member of a larger team, whereas everyone and their mom has (usually uninformed) opinions on AI.

>narrow corridor with green armor in the way
>190 blue armor

>>12106075
Someone should make a PR if there isn't one yet. They wouldn't be able to reject it.

>>12105754
TL;DR?
>>12105772
How is it like sitting in a closet, anon?
>>12105892
You're supposed to play Quake in a difficulty you want to play on.

>>12106165
>TL;DR?
Everyone just switched to the new fork and the topic was quickly forgotten, business as usual.

Progress report on the bunker map: everything up to the exit is done. I keep flip-flopping on adding a boss to the end of the map and letting the player explore the surface, it's something I really wanted to do but I don't think I'll make it in time.

I'll probably leave it as-is and update it later if I want, sorta how I did with Eraser.

>>12106165

see >>12105818

>>12106181
It will be interesting to see how long the new fork lasts, and if gzdoom is maintained regardless.
Perhaps it's not obvious to everyone, but you don't have to be a 1337 programmer to maintain or extend something like gzdoom, pretty much any competent programmer could pick it up.
It's successful because it had a primary maintainer that dedicated ~20 years to continued development where most people would lose interest or get distracted by life after a few years.
Even the idea of "bazaar" democratic open source development largely fails IME. Most successful open source projects are backed by corporate support (i.e. paid dev time and people with a professional rep to maintain), a cult-like leadership model, or they _usually_ fall apart to drama and in-fighting eventually.

Will these fork maintainers stick it out for the next 20 years? Lets see.

Last point, yes pushing code to master is retarded, but graf mentioned that was a mistake (should have been tested). Still it's a strange git workflow, not using feature branches...

I need some suggestions for zandronum-compatible monster replacement mods that make the enemies generally harder while not straying too far from their original concepts, if such a thing exists

>>12106204
Graf can always merge all UZDoom code so GZDoom will be strictly better by also having his own contributions
(Unless UZDoom also merges Graf's code, which would be pretty funny)

I use GZDoom exclusively because I know it rolls true random numbers instead of using the prerolled table.

>>12106229
GzDoom still gives you the same damage rolls anyway.

>>12106229
>he doesn't know

>>12106229
boom also does that

>>12106229
>true random
If that were true, it would be a bug rather than a feature.

What's your favourite status bar?

>>12106263
Aesthetically, Hexen
Practically, Quake or Half Life

>they/them canyon
what did he mean by this?

>>12106165
>How is it like sitting in a closet, anon?

What's it like being non-anglo?

>>12106000
I really want to play it, but I'm waiting for the usual day 2 patch that comes with these things.

>>12106181
Sounds about right. Considering how shitty with their dramas these FPS communities seem to be, I suspect they'll find an excuse to rip each others throats.
>>12106186
>>12105818
Okay. That's fair.

>>12106285
cringerald

>>12105485
Woah tits, kinda overwhelmed in games rn but i will play it in the near future

>>12106285
Soul. It's still cringey, but it reminds me of the early 2000s with the goofy OCs.

>>12105772
Holy copium batman, futa is gay you homo

>>12106285
Shit fire and fuck me runnin', they done forgot to invite me!

>>12106204
>It's successful because it had a primary maintainer that dedicated ~20 years to continued development where most people would lose interest or get distracted by life after a few years.

Most of the people who left had also been on board for ~20 years. There's absolutely nothing to suggest these people aren't in it for the long haul. They're already on the long haul.

>>12106263
Out of those? Duke3D's dashboard, it's the perfect blend of function and form. Blood is close, but the version number cheapens it.

>>12106273
lmao, link?

>>12106285
I still stand by my opinion that making missions that can only be accessed on very specific real world dates is stupid.

>>12106273
>Roll my eyes at first because some troon slapped pronouns on a Quake map
>Realise it actually implies the monsters there are troons and you're fucking them up
Holy shit, you'd never see Shitseer allowing this.

>>12106273
Rorschach test ass title
The only healthy response to it is a shrug

>>12106263
Doomguy's reactive face is the best feature of any statusbar. The only reason the others didn't follow suit was because it was too unique of an idea and would obviously be a ripoff.

>>12106320
lmao
monster canyon - a canyon of monsters
demon canyon - a canyon of demons
ogre canyon - a canyon of ogres
they/them canyon - a canyon of ???

>>12104638
After some digging, the troon in question is frends with certain known toxic individuals who spergs hatred over /vr/, one being thattravguy who is a literal tranny known for brewing drama and for shoving himself into quake community too
Its just tiresome.

>>12106320
that is because those fags moved to mess with quake 2, that faggot sprony is turning into sheep2.0.
If Q4 comes out for Q2, expect to be their last big magnum opus.

>>12106263
>>12106306
thoughts on Shadow Warrior one? Never used it, just now noticed the compass, useless but neat

>>12106263
The one from Outlaws.

>>12106384
It bothers me that it doesn't show his armor when you shrink it down another level.

>>12106296
>>12106386
>dreamt that I was playing RR with Outlaws' revolver altfire
It was during the Haunted House level, too.

>>12105974
Because I can do in like ten lines of zscript what I have to do in 50+ in decorate (not that you'd be able to even to anything in decorate in the first place, you brainfried retard)

>>12106412
Decorate is also a gzdoom language, isn't it? You may be thinking of Dehacked

>>12106218
>Left Twix vs Right Twix

>>12106416
Technically ZDoom, but obviously it was still used until ZScript turned up and remained popular in spite of it.

>>12106424
I found this post far funnier than it should be.

>>12106339
I love the Quake ranger as a character, and the powerup faces are pretty great, but his status face not being nearly animated enough is such a letdown.

>>12106425
I use decorate still for basic stuff since I like not being tied to a single port, especially when zscript is more prone to shit getting changed between versions.

>>12106426
>no, we CASCADE our source code, it's different!

>>12106427
Yeah, Quake could have gone harder with that. And Q2 only suffered from your character being nothing but a name.

>>12106434
Bitterman's incredibly smug face on his model would have made a beautiful hud portrait, too. Such a waste.

>>12106437
That's the Q3 model, the Q2 Bitterman is just a normal male marine.

>>12106434
>And Q2 only suffered from your character being nothing but a name.
The tradeoff for me with Q2 is being able to choose between male, cyborgs, and female skins with different soundsets for each.

>>12106384
Very similar to the Duke3D one, but with a lot more unnecessary padding, especially on the bottom.
The compass is cool, and it fits pretty nicely in the empty space of the label rows.

>>12105982
why are people acting like graf is some wise aryan wizard when he's just some faggot with no real reason to be in charge to begin with? he was perfectly happy working with the ebil tranny developers until just now.

>>12106454
Probably because Graf has done like 80% of all the work on GzDoom ever, no other contributor has come anywhere close to having spent as much time, and many of the other prolific contributors make far more mistakes than he does.

>>12106448
I do really like being able to choose your hero. Like, a lot. But it would be much, much more meaningful if you saw them in the hud, too. I know that's asking for a lot, especially if I expect different damage and powerup states.

if uzdoom lets mods actually disable saving and the automap then it would immediately be objectively better than grafzdoom

>>12106442
Bitterman, Joker and Stepchild had no player models, all were Generic Grunt Model until Q3A happened, Also Major and Daemia never existed in quake 2 as skins, and Athena was forgotten until Champions.

>>12106454
They tied it to idiotic /pol/ shit so they've had to find a way to like him now.

>>12106486
>better probably map doom game
yeah I should, havn't used UDB in a while...

>>12106478
It's stupid either way, but no. /pol/tards didn't hijack the narrative. Not first, anyways.

>>12106486
>graf bad code yeah
True.

>>12106465
>I know that's asking for a lot, especially if I expect different damage and powerup states.
Each had varying faces, too, so part of the solution would be what they figured out by the time of Q3 and >>12106474 beat me to posting it.

>>12106486
>chicken nearly romero compared
Le No Chicken is about to make himself your bitch.

>>12106454
>distilling everything to trans hate
As much as people love to meme on the ragequitting "le no chicken", everyone forgets everything good that he did for the community, sometimes despite bitching and moaning about having to do that.
I disagree with the dude on a lot of things and barely even use GZDoom (and Raze), if I can help it, but Graf actually gets shit done.

>>12104789
>Fusion essentially has TFE + TSE HD on a different pipeline that also hosts BFE, I don't see why not other than some preferring the originals.
I got yer blessing, anon. I'm gonna host some survival games at some point. Should be fun.

i have a question for those of you who have posted any sort of solo made, noncollaborative maps.
where do you post them at? id rather avoid troonworld if i can help it, but im not above posting mine there. zdoom forums is completely out of the question

>>12104294

Sorry, I won't make anything for this and I've removed the mirror from my server. The resources are sick as are the screenshots I've seen so far. Gl with the rest of the project.

After not using the thread for a few years it's sad to see how it's been so co-opted by culture war fuckwits. It's absolutely not worth participating or contributing to anymore.

I won't be checking this thread again so hf to all the cunts who will invariably shout slurs into the void as a response.

Trans rights are human rights.

>>12106486
>software however replaced bringing upgrade
>multiplayer unironically difficult
>shambler interesting
>decent retard update
>blood may run
>whatever coming saying bitch

>power secret shitting
Oh, I have something for this.

>>12106529
Graf is the last capable individual in this thrice cursed community who can still code outside the chocolate and the woof dudes, i simply hate the motherfucker for adding the shittiest filtering method in a sea of bicubic, mitchell and lanczos.
15 years ago we had a ton of people like legacy devs, the doomsday dudes and so on, even Randi before Rachael killed him.
Now all of that is gone, all is left now is graf.

Is there sourceport(s) for Build games that runs well on low end pcs akin to LZDoom? NBlood, NotBlood, Raze crashes my win7 like GZ. Can't do much about BuildGDX since my Java is outdated but might try updating later. I guess I'll go with Dosbox-staging + DosBlood fix (by anon), but what about Duke and Shadow Warrior? Does eDuke32 run well on old pcs?

>>12106529
it's reasonable for anons to be skeptical of which side of the gzdoom schism are the bigger retards, but all the "muh troons based graf" shit is slobbering retard discourse considering zdoom was made by a tranny anyway and set the foundation for graf to do his thing in the first place.

>>12105726
Moddb sucks, you tramp.

>>12106546
>this thread is co-opted by culture war fuckwits
>trans rights are human rights
wait a second

>>12106560
didnt hear xim? theyre not responding because theyre not browsing the thread after posting their low tier bait!

>>12106546
I was wondering if that was you, but I feel like you pretty much confirmed it. Don't let the door hit you on the way out, you narcissistic commie sexpest.

>>12106569
>I was wondering if that was you, but I feel like you pretty much confirmed it.
Who?

lol
lmao

>>12106573
Marisa, aka the faggot groomer who had sarais, term and everyone removed from doom

>>12106576
Don't kid yourself. S'arias removed himself.

>>12106575
>always fucking Linux
one more reason to hate that shit even more.

Let's hope this choice from the UZDoom crew isn't reverted any time soon.

Are they gonna put sector lighting options back in? I forget which ding dong(s) removed those.

>>12106575
"As Marisa's SO... ...I have to agree here."
Kind of a meaningless statement then. No shit the SO of someone is gonna defend them. Also as for the essay above it, was there actually any evidence against the things said about Marisa? I vaguely recall hearing about it before but iirc it was always "The evidence is here! (Link to deleted tweet)".

>>12106442
Oh! My mistake, I'm not very familiar with Quake beyond the first game.

>>12106582
If you are playing any Doom source port, it is based on the code released by id software as "linuxdoom 1.10"

>>12106505
>REKKR? MORE LIKE [NO]

>>12106605
It's more about just being angry for the sake of it.

>>12106573
Could potentially be some troll pretending, but the hosting site used and just the personality suggests that it's most likely Marisa, they are just this annoying and self-absorbed, in addition to being a freak with 15 years of habit of creeping on underage boys,
Mind, I've seen the fucker in the comment sections of Doom content videos for a while now, acting like he's NOT a pariah and like he should be allowed to go around a space where there's minors, so I see no reason why he wouldn't try to come back here as well.

Every time I see him, he makes me goddamn nauseous, making me think back to the kind of shit he would sometimes say to me and others like it wasn't weird or uninvited. He's actively made me more 'transphobic,' I don't even hate every tranny but he's sure as fuck changed my mind about things.

>>12106576
I miss Term, he's a good man, but Sarais can also go to hell for being so endlessly fucking annoying. I take back what I said before about Sarais not deserving early onset dementia if he has it, he actually does and I hope he rots.

>>12106575
>>12106586
If this is real, then that's actually kind of a good start for UzDoom, and I don't feel quite as pessimistic about it anymore. Yeah, I know Marisa is a talented coder, but I don't fucking care, his behavior and track record needs to have some kind of consequences.

graf is a talentless hack who not only is pro-lgbt but apparently needs chat-gpt to "get shit done"

>>12106595
I believe that was something Graf changed for some arbitrary reason, but hopefully.
It still exists in the codebase I think, just hidden from the options menu.

>>12106598
>was there actually any evidence against the things said about Marisa
If you mean disproving it? Nothing that I'm aware of.
There's some very credible evidence of him having relations with at least one underage boy online, which he openly admitted to after one of them called him out for it, and some circumstantial (but unverified) evidence suggesting he had relations with another underage boy some time in the past.

There's also some old, faint, and impossible to verify anecdotal things potentially implicating him of some other wrongdoing regarding minors, but even if what I read was entirely honest and correct, it's only someone's suspicion (one which my gut tells me might be right, however).

>>12106619
He also shot down a nupronoun addition to GzDoom some years back, and the submitter got permabanned for not accepting the [No.], and also completely losing their mind and taking it as a personal attempt at his life.

>>12106586
the uzdoom team is already doing more to stop the trans menace than based tradpilled graf ever did

>>12106619
>graf is pro fag
aside from being willing to work alongside trannies to begin with, i'm gonna need some proof of this one chief

>>12106494
Now this post is pretty funny, because the screenshot you posted has been reposted like 3 times in this thread and the previous one, while the one I'm posting, the one that started the thread on github, where a guy brought the fucking receipts, is probably being posted for the first time.
/pol/fags are disingenuous niggers who will side with anyone as long as they can spin it as retaliation against some imagined tranny menace, as long as they spot a single one amongst the people calling the guy out. In reality, graf made a mistake and then didn't even apologize half- or even quarter-heartedly, and that's why other contributors were mad. Trying to spin it as culture war bullshit in the year of our Lord 2025 is pretty silly.
You are the /pol/tard hijacking the narrative, anon, either purposefully or not

it's probably graf himself coping that it was all 4d chess to own the trains, since other devs are posting in here

>>12106639
I don't really care who the fuck the tourists here. They should fuck off. It's pretty bad when I'm quietly rooting for our local shitposter to come and destroy the catalogue again.

>>12106632
I thought you were leaving forever?

God, I really want to move on from the subject of Marisa after this. I was glad that he was gone after he got banned from ZDF and all those Discords, but seeing him show himself not just here but also elsewhere makes me uncomfortable and anxious.
I said nauseous before, and I actually mean that, I feel it in my stomach.

I want to think about something else, talk about anything else.
Doom feels nice. Or Quake.

>>12106642
it's what's happening in the doom community right now. gzdoom potentially being done forever is a bit of a deal.

How do I deal with these bastards without losing all my health?

>>12106629
Graf is a literal boomer, he most likely doesn't care about terminally online alphabet/chud culture war bullshit.
He just wants to code, for grill's sake.
This shit certainly has been brewing for quite some time because a reasonable man (yet, even if zoomers around here view it differently) can only be pushed so far, and we all know that trannies can't not push it too far.
I think as much as the trannies wanted him gone he wanted them gone.
Now he can develop his sourceport again for himself, in peace, while all the zoomers flock to LGBTDoom in order to continue their bitching.

>>12106650
That part is kind of fine, discussion will probably die down soon enough until actual developments happen, I just want to move away from the subject of the creep.

>>12106654
In my experience, Super Shotgun.

>>12106650
We're not the Doom community. We're a weird fringe group in a slightly shitty but cozy rundown bar and now the place is packed with a bunch of fuckwits. I am rubbing elbows with obsessed weirdos and I can't get to my favorite spot right now.

>graf just wants to code
this entire controversy happened because he stopped submitting his own code

>>12106586
Follow up.

>>12106643
yes anon everyone who disagrees with you is the same person
im currently inside your walls calling the fbi btw

Hey, did nobody post a Doom challenge this thread? I guess I'll make one.

It's kinda futile to try, but can we please start talking about something other than this nonsense? I don't care if it goes on, but we could certainly use this time better. Maybe share something you're working on, or go and make a map for one of the projects.
Hotpotato likely stalled because the last few threads have been polutted by people shitflinging each other and their preferred side of the GZ/UZ bullshit. I do concede I haven't made anything for that since I have my own project to focus, though.
Sub Mortem may also drown in this shit.
I'm not going to cry "muh community" but I think the quality of general can and should be better.

>>12106665
>Sub Mortem may also drown in this shit.
Not gonna let it.

>>12106662
Has Marisa ever considered that there was something else about their character people had a problem with? It seems cowardly to hide behind one's gender identity and cry about persecution whenever people are mad at you.

>>12106654
For the hordes of them in episode 4, you can't do much more than reacting as best as you can and killing them as quick as you can. They at least take longer to "wake up" than other enemies and they also have a slow dumb turn speed.
>>12106664
>already 400+ posts in
Damn these are moving quickly. I think there was talking about doing something for Ad Mortem this time around.

>>12106670
He's a narcissistic and self-admitted pedophile, what do you think?

>>12106648
Oh right this is a Doom thread. Ahem. Anyone played CHIMERA? Recently released (About a month ago) horror WAD in a similar vein as Unhinged or Happy Time Circus, in that you have vanilla weapons (Aside from newly added pipe bombs) and the maps consist almost entirely of new enemies. It's pretty difficult for a lot of reasons, primarily questionable map design, and for some reason I find it's brand of bullshit enjoyable.

>>12106632
>6 7

>>12106681
>CHIMERA
Looks cool, but I might be in the mood to try it with a gameplay/weapons focused mod for my first run through.

>>12106553
>Does eDuke32 run well on old pcs?
Should be, I managed to play Ion Fury in software mode on very old thinkpad. That crap didn't even support openGL

>>12106670
The funny thing is that I remember this exact topic being an issue during the whole incident. To summarize, while ZDF was busy arguing with each other during it, PillowBlaster made a very angrily worded post in that ongoing thread which was bringing up this exact sorta issue, being people hiding behind identity stuff and using it as a shield against any form of criticism or scrutiny, labelling the accusers as anti-something or whatever-phobic. Naturally PillowBlaster was almost immediately banned for that (and shortly unbanned after a bit), and in the wake of that, someone (I think DoomKrakken) elaborated on what he was saying in less angry words while adding that PB getting banned was stupid cause he obviously wasn't intending transphobia or whatever with it. And then Graf Zahl being Graf Zahl decided to bestow his wisdom, which basically amounted to "It doesn't matter what his intention was, someone could interpret it in an offensive way so it counts and the ban should be justified on that alone".

>>12106692
Luckily the pipebombs, while very helpful, aren't required so although they might clog up weapon slot 5, they shouldn't get in the way too much. Personally I went and edited them so they were set to slot 9 instead since weapon mods rarely use that.

>>12104945
gzdoom has better mod support and works on more devices.

I don't give a fuck about any of your tribal tranny drama

>>12106716
>gzdoom has better mod support and works on more devices.
with the exception of GL ES 3.0 issue, which cannot run shader-driven important mods.

>>12106659
Where else can this GZDoom drama be discussed? Don't you dare say Discord.

>>12106701
So, if I have Graf straight, I'm supposed to let everyone walk over me because doing anything about it MIGHT be interpreted as an offense? Is that right?

Hostan some Serious Sam Fusion survival co-op, starting with TFE Bend on the Sand, which is not pic related, but I like how it looks!

steam://joinlobby/564310/109775243258380936/76561199071486523

In theory you just copy and paste this into a browser, but I suspect that won't work, alone, so start up Serious Sam Fusion>Select "Moddable" and then copy and paste the link into a browser.

Notes:
Mid-game joining should be functional.

Using "Arcade Co-Op Survival" mod, which gives players lives based on the host's whimsy. Right now it's set to 3.

Will have to use the initiate a vote function to change maps because there's no console command to see all available maps because Croteam apparently didn't play any Half-Life game.

You shouldn't need all the workshop packages I have according to various threads on the internet. You should either automatically download everything you need on joining, or it should just werk™

>>12106616
>I miss Term, he's a good man
I'll never not feel bad for the poor dude, he's one of the most positive, genuinely nice people I've met and he got hurt like fuck for it.
>>12106670
Showed up in these threads the other day, blaming all the fun police fuckwits who were covering for their disgusting behavior for not putting a stop to it instead. Classic blame shifting shit.

>>12106732
Shitass drama belongs on a shitass platform. So Discord or Twitter.

>>12106739
For the record, this is Bend on the Sand.

>5 threads in a week
>half of it is the megasperg throwing shit instead of spamming
>unfortunate timed gzdoom drama which he latched on to
fuck this im starting a wad

>>12106753
Could always make a Sub Mortem level.

>>12106738
graf tantrumed endlessly about how you should never be able to disable the automap even for cutscenes etc where it has no use case. he's just a retard.

>>12106757
He's not going to do that or make a wad he's just posting for attention.

>>12104192 (OP)
>>> CLASSIC DOOM CHALLENGE <<<

Record a UV-max run of Ad Mortem - Map 08 "Little Church Of Horrors" by Anonymous.
The complevel is MBF21.
Reply to this post with your demo & time.

Ad Mortem currently has no records on Doomed Speed Demos Archive.

Slow example demo in 13:33 (I completely forgot about the Blue Armor secret).
https://litter.catbox.moe/bs3l341enflgs8pd.lmp

Uh, did someone win the last thread's challenge? I don't see a posted demo and time for it? Previous challenge, I suppose: >>12100219

This is a short but decent level, but a good palette cleanser for right now. You can almost certainly beat my time.

>>12104192 (OP)
is it possible to kill the fuck ton of demons that kill you in the ending of knee deep in the dead?

>>12106771
I think theoretically, yes.

>>12106771
Yes.
https://youtu.be/4qKO_VJTL5U

>>12106576
what's his real name? Mark?

>>12106553
Use the XP compatible build (notblood-winxp.zip) for NotBlood.

>>12106739
Still open, but closing in 15. Maybe later in the evening would be better.

>>12106670
All trannies are hated because of their character. They're all terrible human beings. Whiny pathetic narcissistic entitled delusional selfish arrogant lazy weak men. Genuinely the worst that society has to offer.

>>12106724
mods, such as?

>>12106706
A promising start so far.
>>12106805
There used to be a Sam cooping crew. Maybe more of a headsup ahead of time might help.
I personally am getting dragged into other vidya and want to have a go at >>12106764 later this evening.

>>12106575
>Marisa's SO
place your bets: is this "SO" another gay man that he has a long distance relationship with, or just him logging in on a second account and pretending to be his own gay boyfriend?

>>12106739
Closed for now. Something very pure about Sam survival. Just you, and the variety of enemies. No fancy schmancy level design.
>>12106821
I work weekends so I unfortunately rarely get to host things like this, so it's always a hope that multiple someones happen to have the same game I have installed. Maybe next time.
>webm
Ito reference?

>>12106809
Why so angry tho? I'm genuinely curious, outside of the internet which is all make-believe I think I've met a single trans in my whole life. Why waste your energy going out of your way to post just a statement of disdain towards what amounts to a statistical error, population-wise? You seem like really upset

>>12106830
>This sector, it was made for me!

>>12106834
t. penisless man wearing demi lovato mascara

>>12106830
Fuck. I tried to join in time but I had to redownload fusion and install all the addons. Another time ig

>>12106843
I'm still around, hang on a sec. Just testing some maps, finding they're broken, and reporting them to years old posts.

>>12106834
this is exactly what i think every time i see someone seethe about trannies. why should anyone care so much about some shit that has nothing to do with them lmao

>>12106848
>>12106843
Shit, never mind. Out of time. I'll be hosting later in the evening. Appreciate the interest, anon.

>>12106598
Marissa openly admitted to it on Reddit, Twitter, absolutely fucking everywhere, before being coached to try to walk it back by the fun police fuckups who were trying to do damage control.

>>12106840
Ah, so it's just persecution complex then. Weird but thanks for clarifying

>>12106828
Nah I used to see the dude around in some places, he seemed reasonably ok at the time, looks to have gone off the rails while spending years trying to defend a horrible fuckup who doesn't deserve being defended.

>>12106857
you probably don't experience an immediate feeling of disgust when seeing trannies because you, too, are a faggot.

>>12106812
Doom 64 Unseen evil and many visual overhaul mods.

>>12106870
you go out of your way to see trannies? do you secretly want them to dick you down or something?

>>12106875
It is quite weird when that kind of shit take's over somebody's life, they can't stop bringing them up even entirely unprompted.

>>12106875
>you talking shit about faggots?
>what are you, a faggot?
lol

>>12106875
>you don't like thing? you must want to fuck thing

>>12106881
people who constantly talk about faggots unprompted almost always get caught sucking dick in a gas station restroom, its true.

>>12106879
>it's weird to hate trannies, but it's not weird to convince yourself that you're a woman, wear makeup and dresses, and force everyone to call you by a female name

>>12106884
didn't ask for your life story

>>12106881
>feels the urge to state his hatred towards faggots completely unprompted, as a non-sequitur
i mean something does seem to be afoot. the boy ain't completely right is what i'm saying

>>12106884
yeah, i dunno man, that kinda just sounds like something you made up to make yourself feel better about being a transvestite. also, i don't think it's really "unprompted". like, i did i make all those trannies on github change their pfps to pictures of anime girls and then get mad at graf? no. i think you need to go on a spiritual gandhi journey or some shit, man.

>>12106887
>the boy ain't completely right is what i'm saying
Well, obviously not. What kind of guy wants to wear his mother's shoes?

>>12106884
It does make it pretty funny when it's shit like the angriest politicians getting caught at all-male orgies.

>>12106887
>faggots shit up the thread
>i hate faggots
>haha you must secretly be a faggot

>>12106896
Quit shitting the thread up, faggot.

No John, you are the faggots.

>>12106885
plenty of strange things in life, anon. i just don't feel like i need to make those things my problem and then make it everyone else's problem by bitching about it constantly.

>>12106890
>posts the same epic github trannies image in each thread, focuses entirely on the tranny element even though its completely circumstantial to the drama
don't kid yourself anon, you have an obsession.

>>12106903
Haha you must secretly be a faggot.

Crouching tranny, Hidden faggot

>>12106881
The final recourse of every homosexual is to call you a homosexual. They know deep down that they are immoral parasites who love poop, pee, and molesting children, so it's impossible for them to provide any logical argument for why they should be allowed to persist. As a result, they can only say "I might be a homosexual, but you're a bigger homosexual!". It's quite funny, actually.

Hey Marisa, put your trip back on so I can bully you directly.

>>12106905
It'd started some threads back even before the GzDoom drama, some Anon was trying to get shit going by bitching about some stupid Quake shit that nobody had even tangentially brought up.
Also I bet you get that one weeds image now.

i'm glad that effortposts and reported and removed only to leave gypsy crusader viewers from ifunny calling each other faggots

>>12106918
faggot

>>12106918
I haven't seen shit get deleted.

>tranny deletes his own post to make it seem like the moderation is here unfairly banning meaningful contributors
nobody is stupid enough to fall for that, not even a nigger with a small head.

>>12106916
oh yeah, that retard that kept posting some hidden pride flag easter egg shit that they went out of their way to find and post.

>>12106924
i'm dyslexic and whiter than you

>>12106926
you're a retarded fag and you're brown. good evening.

>>12106925
That's the one, supposedly it's only on a placeholder map that's due to be removed, so it's really fucking banking on Anons not knowing shit about where it came from but getting angry anyway.

>>12106931
>so it's really fucking banking on Anons not knowing shit about where it came from but getting angry anyway.

A tale as old as time.

>>12106934
>judaism.png

>>12106925
It's not a hidden easter egg, it's directly behind you in the placeholder maps.

>>12106951
Also, in previous versions, the camera centered directly on it when you exited the maps.

>>12106951
>>12106956
I draw dicks on my placeholder maps.

>>12106965
Who's been drawin dicks!?

>>12106965
I should do that.

>>12106978
I find it helps to have something that's just not supposed to be there in a normal map so I can quickly look through stuff and see what sticks out.

John Carmack:
>blonde chad, literal rocket scientist, used an improvised thermite compound to break into his school try to steal computers, humble enough to say that he wasn't responsible for most of the things people like about DOOM and gave more credit to the artists and designers (despite the fact he created 90% of the tech resources needed for the games to exist at all), fairly conservative views and believes countries shouldn't have open borders but also opened his asian wife's vaginal border with his BWC every night until getting divorced and finding a white woman 25 years later
John Romero:
>beaner manlet, made the worst shooter of all time, has used cheap nail polish to paint his nails black for 40+ years and counting, believes he created DOOM despite doing almost none of the work and later getting fired by Carmack (for doing no work), huge faggot that shouts shit like "trans rights" on streams (because keeping an active fanbase of yes xirs who drink your knob is crucial to staying relevant when you have no actual talent), is raising his unironic jewish wife's son from another man in his cuckold family bungalo while masturbating to mancubus rule 34 every night

>>12106965
I try to place sector/brush toilets in all of my finished maps

>>12106956
That's genuinely a helpful feature if it focuses on the placeholder mark right at the end of the map, yeah it could have been anything else but it's probably really just there for the mapper/s.
>>12107009
You are an artist of the highest calibre.

>>12107018
>That's genuinely a helpful feature if it focuses on the placeholder mark right at the end of the map, yeah it could have been anything else but it's probably really just there for the mapper/s.
Because we all know that Quake mappers can't tell if a map is a placeholder or not.

>>12107038
Quake mappers are airheads.

>>12107002
romerosisters...

>>12106632
In my post, I did not claim there weren't legitimate reasons to resent the guy. Obviously these are real beefs and they don't involve some dude's junk pre or post-op. But my point, demonstrated, is that /pol/tards didn't start the narrative that chicken man is some bigot and this was about his political alignment, and you have visual proof some guy is trying to make this all about him being a "chud" and a "fascist." That is a cartoonish thing to push on someone for how they maintain a git. So maybe step back, and don't put the onus of all of this on /pol/ when someone else hard steered the narrative into that kind of divide.

>>12107002
Romerbros......we were wrong..

>>12107071
https://github.com/ZDoom/gzdoom/issues/3395
that's some literal who acting egocentrically
one post in a ~20 post thread, and hilariously ignored by other posters too
shouting "don't forget about me, the quirk chungus girl (male)" in a room of serious people having a discussion is hardly spinning a narrative; pointing a spotlight at them and acting like every post in there is like that, is
yall niggas always hope nobody looks up the sources but it's a fucking public repo on github

I feel like Alkaline has had more challenging maps and fights than Arcane Dimensions so far. It came out way after so it makes sense. You just typically have less ammo, armor, less/worse weapons and the enemies are in positions more often to make you uncomfortable. There was some of that more on the smaller maps than the bigger ones in AD. You also are lacking some of the weapons of AD. And I do miss the Widowmaker even if it was very very OP. Also missing the Shadow Axe. I like gibbing corpses whilst I explore for secrets.

>>12107138
For me? It's Alk1.1 with the Resident Evil CV menu sounds.

>>12106716
>>12106812
>"gzdoom is the greatest!"
>doesnt know that most graphical overhaul mods dont play well with gzdoom at all
tourist behavior. you probably came from tranny xitter and dont actually even play doom. god, you fucking creatures make me sick. posing pieces of shit.

>>12107138
Another thing I just remembered - AD had doubled the shotgun ammo from 100 to 200. Combine it with the Widowmaker and even tho I had to frequently use nails or rocket ammo - a lot of the time I could get away with trying to do things more slowly using only shotgun rounds.

Saw Derelict Freighter and was like - oh that sounds like a Mass Effect side mission.

>>12106575
i love that they think that the reason marisa is banned is because shes a tranny, not because shes a tranny. fucking lol.

>>12107162
Brainfart?
Main reason Marisa should be banned everywhere is because he's a pedophile groomer who drove away several modders through what amounts to continuous sexual harassment that got ignored and actively hidden by ZDoom's and Doomworld's moderation teams.

>>12106764
https://files.catbox.moe/f3vhat.zip
This map rules.
>>12107138
I'm reaching a similar conclusion as I'm nearing their end. For the most part they're fairly even in difficulty, but maps like Tellus Terminus and Pipework-Powered Pillars have had fights that tested me more than what AD's thrown at me. There are a few more edge cases like that tunnel in Dire Pipes.
The Realm of Enceladus had a real rude fight with those four golems, though.

>>12107213
Yeah I thought the Realm of Enceladus had a tough fight too. The smaller less pretty maps (although some had some great visuals like Dancing in the Golden Sun) tend to have tougher fights both in this and AD. Short but challenging. I do prefer the bigger maps though in both mods.

>>>>12107202
yeah, i meant to say "because shes a tranny, not because shes a pedophile"

I love Doom.

>>12107256
Interesting pistol sprites.

>>12107107
Again, you are misrepresenting me as saying "THIS WHOLE THING IS ABOUT TRANNIES!" I didn't fucking say that. If you're going to blame someone for shifting the focus OFF his bad behaviors, maybe blame people like that "literal who" instead of /pol/.

>>12107002
Hello, anon, hope you're doing well...

any good halloween or halloween-appropriate maps and mapsets anons would recommend besides the more well known ones (ad mortem, trick & tear, etc.)?

>>12107283
it's weird how i have no idea what you're trying to say and yet i somehow know you're a faggot

>>12107421
Guess you gave up on the argument. Bitch.

>>12106153
I'd say both right wing and left wing have people who rightfully hate AI slop and are skeptical of what the big AI companies are promising. But I'd say leftists are far more likely to condemn all AI use regardless of where or what it's used for, be it a big company like ChatGPT or a local model being ran in someone's basement for some highly specialized purpose. They're more likely to believe climate-adjacent nonsense like how AI is sucking all the water out of the oceans or whatever, and they're more likely to be willfully ignorant of it in general because it's icky.

>>12106263
The best Blood hud is the one they added with Fresh Supply, which shows the keys

Ranger doesn't need to hear all this. He's a highly trained professional.

>>12106764
Max in 2:19:
https://files.catbox.moe/5139jm.lmp

>Uh, did someone win the last thread's challenge?
There was some discussion, but no demos, that's part of why I opted not to make one this time. I said a while ago it might be good to skip a thread if participation was low.

>>12106131
The Thatcher's Techbase mapper also was buddies with a bunch of the shitty gaming media, who went all in for promoting it.

>>12107442
Who are (you) talking to?

This thread has been quite the trainwreck.

>>12107526
The faggot who refuses to leave shit be. This could have been over if you had kept your pissbaby mouth shut.

>>12107531
Hopefully it clears up in a week or two, the drama novelties will wear off and hopefully the vile tripfag will fuck off.

The word cloud pic for next thread is gonna be hosed.

>>12107547
I wish we could go back to moo or two.

>>12106670
Blame shifting and using your minority identity as a cover for shitheadery is in the playbook for bad people who are in it to "finally cut loose" rather than see their best possible version of themselves come to light. Plenty trans people in this community get by in the open and have relationships, I wonder how? Probably they go outside sometime and have experiences in real. But if you just find harassment and sex crimes a dealbreaker behavior on its own merit, you have to be some KiwiFarms fighter engaging in actual malice.

This pity-me act (admittedly I'm reinforcing by posting this) convinced me there's not a sorry bone in her body and it's all about hoping it'd been long enough that she can get the old indulgences back, just being more careful this time

>>12107571
>there's not a sorry bone in her body
Complete lack of shame and guilt too, which tracks with the "all my old buddies are at fault, they reinforced my behavior and shielded me from learning I was doing harm" shit, it's all been moved to them.

>>12107571
i would like everyone invested in this topic to google what DARVO is

i like it

>>12107571
>her

>>12107671
jesus christ those filters

>>12104235
>>12104240
>>12104246
graf & GZDOOM are going to be like arthmoor and the unofficial patch. any alternatives that pop up will gain momentum initially but will ultimately fizzle out when it gets to be too much to maintain while GZDOOM trudges along with graf as a pariah.

>inb4 "muh UZDOOM"
until they have something tangible it's all talk & posturing. spite projects are a shakey foundation to start with and ultimately wind up being worse than what they're trying to spite.

>inb4 "muh exodus of staff"
if graf is starting to use/embrace AI for his coding then there is literally nothing stopping from continuing to use it going forward (after all why learn to develop social skills to interact with people when you can just exclusively work with machines who will never argue with or criticize you?) i expect him to either fully automate GZDOOM's development or like others have said poach the codes of others.

>inb4 "b-but people will call him out for it"
graf is historically not a people person does anyone seriously thinks he cares about what we think?

>>12107693
what worries me about all of this is that i fully expect Graf to get sloppier using AI (or poached code) as a crutch. he already fucked up his initial commit with busted slop code and had to fix it, its not hard to imagine even more bloat and overlooked discrepancies slipping into his work and stacking over time.

not to say that this will affect UZDoom's chances of retaining momentum at all, but it does feel like the zdoom family of ports are pretty fucked for the time being.