Thread 12131927

Say it with me once more: Gen 2's Pokemon were a supplement, not a replacement, for the original 151

What's the point of a supplement if you never get to use 3/4 of them until postgame?

>>12131929
You mean just 4 lines? Two which are shit?

stop making this thread, nobody here cares
>>>/vp/

I'm happy as long as I have my boy Spinarak

>>12131927 (OP)
more like suck-lement

>>12131927 (OP)
Why would I say anything with a silly little child parroting talking points it heard on youtube?

>>12131927 (OP)
pokemon fans are literally the dumbest consumers on earth which is why they buy the same game over and over since the gameboy advance. They wont understand this and theyll never understand what makes pokemon good.

>>12132125
Pokemon fans are dumber bronies

>>12131929
You were supposed to use them to battle your friends

>>12131927 (OP)
Man I love these games, so much passion. So much soul.

>>12132125
>all Pokémon ga1es are identical!
I bet you think all Dragon Quest games are identical too, because God forbid a series doesn't changes genre for no fucking reason

whats with the obsession and new falseflag to make zoomers hate johto

>>12134564
Zoomers already hate johto because it got a better reputation than their shitty nu gens

>>12132385
I expect sequels to expand on, refine, and evolve both the series and the genre.

>>12134678
That's exactly what GSC, RSE and DPPt did
>held items, new types, abilities, physical special split, etc
But no those don't count because you explore a region and battle 8 gym leaders during the story...

>>12134564
It's a /vp/ gen war psyop. /v/ and /vr/ prefer the older gens, so in order to sow division nu-gen /vp/edos are trying to put older fans against each other, right now gen 2 is their target.

Yes it is autism.

151 was a fine number which they should have kept from the start not milked and degraded it with endless slop.

>>12134689
There's nothing wrong with the basic formula, the problem with Pokemon is that it takes entire generations for it to fix its long-standing UI problems such as a lack of things happening in tandem (attack animation and damage feedback overlapping for example) and redundant text that could easily be UI/HUD elements instead. Some of these add in extra seconds and button presses that are completely unnecessary. The only one I can actually stomach is B&W which can still be heavily improved in many ways.

FYI as someone who works in manufacturing, I can tell you that those "seconds" and "button presses" can add up to hours and even days very easily. When manufacturing at scale, companies will spend staggering amounts of money just to save five seconds and it will be worth every fucking penny.

>>12134765
Nah. Gen 2 was always just the lesser sendoff. Faggots who missed out on Gen 1 started claiming it's superior when none of us who were around for both thought so, so now we hate Gen2 fags for trying to claim "OG fan" while also saying the original games aren't best when they definitely are between the two

>>12134823
You’re trying too hard

>>12134836
Trying for what? Are you saying it's bad for real Gen1 fags to act superior when you try to use us to seem superior by association despite saying Gen1 sucks?

You're annoying faggots caught between gens. Gen2 is the worst of the first three because it's basically just an add on with no identity. It's also fucking depressing, like it feels like a ghost town compared to the lively stand alone worlds of gens one and three, and it has Team Rocket being chumps dying out with nothing taking it's place, like I didn't even play Gen 3 fully till adulthood in my thirties but it's at least mechanically better and not riding Gen1s coattails for cred. Gen2 really only had one thing going for it, Dark Types, and the games don't utilize them well at all. Gen2 sits in this weird depressing ground of saying goodbye to Gen1s borderline dark for kids scifi focus to typical mythological god jrpg stuff, I don't prefer Gen 3 at all to Gen1 but I can respect it's individuality as opposed to Gen2 being in every way an awkward middle ground that pleased nobody other than people who are nostalgic for it as their first game. It was a massive letdown reading fanzines about new Pokemon only to have them all suck or be locked to post game in a game that mostly uses Gen1 mons, like Gen2 is fine but nobody thinks it's the best other than people who started with it, period

>>12134909
>You’re trying too hard
>Tries even harder
not the sharpest tool in the shed are you

>>12134909
>>12134823
lmfao.

>>12134564
See there's one here now.

>>12134962
>>12134973
Samefag

>>12134823
>>12134909
As someone who started with Gen 3 and couldn't give less of a shit over your precious "pokemania nostalgia" bullshit. Gen 2 mogs the shit out of gen 1 and so does Gen 3 and Gen 4.

>>12135052
Gen2 is objectively bad. Bad Pokemon distribution (everyone who plays will have the same team it's so limited without reporting to shitmon), and the level b curve is so bullshit you're likely to beat the game with stage one mons, and it's all the same Pokemon from Gen1 but with a worse map and more HM bullshit and hidden evolution stones. And only two of the starters are cool because one is for girls. It's the most trash objectively

You're the samefag anyway, autist

>>12135235
Translation
>boohoo finding new pokemon is hard
>boohoo training pokemon is hard

>muh level curve
Doesn’t the game incentive you to breed pokemon after Whitney? If you actually breed Pokemon or explore the level curve becomes irrelevant.

>>12135045
>everyone laughing at the retarded child is one person
Why are reatrded children like this?

>>12135242
>If you actually breed Pokemon or explore the level curve becomes irrelevant.
Wouldn't that make you even more under leveled?
I've always thought the game expects you to use the legendary bird and at least one of the dogs to balance things out in the E4.

>>12135447
I was thinking about the large amounts of level 20 pokemon trainers have.
Grinding before the elite 4 was a thing in gens 1&2

>>12135242
Nobody likes pet sims but faggots and girls

>>12135439
12134973
Trying way too hard

>>12136565
>you nailed it and im reduced to this level of cope
lol. Reality be like it be kiddo.

>>12131927 (OP)
No one has ever said Gen 2's Pokemon are a "replacement", what? People complain about the exact opposite in reality- the Johto games have dogshit distribution and the Gen 2 Pokemon are overshadowed in their own region

>had to bump from page11 to get the last word
Topkek

>>12134564
its a small group of vp trolls, they occasionally try it here and /v/ because vp already figured out their tactics
its always box art posts with bait questions

>>12136745
b-b-but muh head canon

>>12135498
yeah okay

>>12135447
>>12135462
>get to kanto
>trainers have level 40 ~ 50 pokemon
>step in tall grass
>level 5 pokemon

>>12137294
>get to age 18
>publicly confess to being confused by a game made for children
things that never happened

>>12131927 (OP)
Gen 2 wasn't s an unfinished mess propped up by nostalgia of those desperately clinging to the Gen1 era they missed

>>12137294
>why is post game content different
Dumbfuck

>>12131927 (OP)
>supplement
>Old mons become shitmons usable only early on
>only real good mons are the CURRENT THING GEN

>>12134773
But you can't catch em all, you need either to be lucky enough to attend an event that gave Mew to mindcontrolled scum attending or you need to use an exploit. Otherwise, fuck off subhuman.

>gen 2 mon aren’t op and super special
I think people are too used to Pokemon power creep. God forbid past gen pokemon be usable

>>12137294
>fuck accurate world building!

>>12137864
Why are you mad? He's right.

>>12132385
>I bet you think all Dragon Quest games are identical too
no they arent at all, have you even played a dragon quest game? (rhetorical question I already know the answer). what a fucking stupid statement I despise how many opinions exist about dragon quest from people that know nothing about it.

>>12138967
Point went your head bro

>>12138995
whats the point, I think all pokemon games have the same plot and all dragon quest games have different plots.

>>12135052
That is incorrect, dumbass zoomer (redundant).

>>12139009
>judges games based on plots and not gameplay
Retard

>>12139053
pokemon isnt breaking new ground when it comes to gameplay either einstein. If you actually struggle to identify how identical every pokemon game is to eachother then refer to my original statement
>>12132125

>>12139061
>pokemon isnt breaking new ground when it comes to gameplay either
it does actually
competitive Pokemon is unreplicated

>>12139075
Competitive Pokemon is just autistic rock paper scissors, it has no skill only exploits

>>12139142
Then enter a tournament and win easy money if it takes no skill

>>12139294
All id need to do is search YT for the current top competitive meme team and cheesey strat, but I don't care enough to ever buy a Nintendo console since I was 12 and had GBA

>>12139306
>I could become a world champion if I applied myself
Holy shit the ego on this man

>>12134798
That's what I'd call nitpicking.

>>12134678
Exactly this. This is why GS are the only actual sequels that exist in the entire franchise

>>12131929
Stadium 2 is a thing
Battling and trading your friends are things
Catching them all is a thing

>>12134798
>the only one I can actually stomach is B/W
Yikes, how embarrassing

>boomers loved johto
>millenials loved johto
>zoomers hate it
Why

Everyone who played rby first was let down by gsc

asking in here instead of making a new thread since it's relevant, can 64 emulators handle actually using the transfer pak in stadium 2 yet? I remember last time I tried anytime pj64 had to read from the transfer it'd hitch or freeze for multiple seconds and playing stadium with just rental mons sucks

>>12139517
YouTubers told them to. I wish it was more complex than that, but it's not.
Which is why they act personally attacked whenever you ask why they think the things they do. It's not their opinion, so they can't explain it, and so they resort to being defensive.

>>12139412
You say nitpicking, but over the literal hundreds of battles and thousands of turns each one of those seconds turns into an hour. In a game where you are encouraged to capture mons, this goes from annoying to unbearable.

>>12139517
Johto had a handful of hindsight design issues that got blown out of proportion.

Gen1 you s the best . If you disagree you're a gen2 faggot who wasn't around in the first gen

>>12139517
Boomers don't play Pokemon.

Millennials pretend Johto is good because they grew up with it and accuse anyone of not liking their dogshit games of being a zoomer who watched some bogeyman youtube video that hurt their feelings.

Anyone who didn't grow up with the objectively terrible Johto games know they're bad because the distribution is dogshit, the plot sucks, the region is halfassed, the level curve shits itself after the third gym, the availability of TMs and evolution items is piss poor, the gyms suck, etc

>>12140034
Yes I also get my opinions from YouTubers.

>>12131927 (OP)
Yeah after replaying it years later, I came to understand that. But the game is Gold/Silver is still really flawed - that doesn't really excuse it

>>12131927 (OP)
Gen2 fags are annoying because only queers and bitches like it's overly cute bullshit, breeding, and "comfy" shit that ruined the gameplay like cell phones and day cycles

>>12141168
>when you're such an incel you get mad at pokemon breeding

>>12139618
>yet
You could use gb/c saves in n64 emulators like 15 years ago, anon

>>12140263
>YouTubers
YouTubers are clickbaiting faggots like you with anti-ZA "remember how good the games were back then" slop. That's the opposite of what that anon is saying.

>>12142036
Love it when retards blame Miyamoto for the fuck ups Gamefreak does

>>12141461
Zero people who breed Pokemon enjoy it. It's the reason why PKHeX is so popular.

>>12142040
Zoomer ADHD is why PKHeX exists
It's also the excuse the devs get for removing game mechanics

>>12142048
Equating ADHD to rolling a 512-sided die for perfect DVs in gen 2 assuming you somehow got perfect DV parents already is extremely disingenuous.

damn you people are autistic as fuck

>>12142053
Gen 2 niggers are like that

>>12139517
Boomers either thought Pokemon was the devil or grew out of the fad after Red and Blue

>>12142048
got banned from /vp/ again huh cordie?

>>12137918
Yes, fuck accurate world building if it fucks with the gameplay
Fuck day/night cycle
Fuck breeding
Fuck all the empty pointless dungeons

>>12137864
You could still technically catch em all in gen 1, no matter how many bullshit limited-time events there were. In gen 2, Celebi was unobtainable legitimately in the west until the VC release. It did something worse than dexit and something no other Pokemon game has done today - make a current gen Pokemon completely unobtainable even with events. So much for catch em all.

>>12142080
There were celebi events in the US, just not the GS Ball

I recently picked up crystal for the first time in 20 years; is there really no easy way to switch between day and night other than 1) doing a debugging mode song and dance 2) leaving the emulator on fast forward and coming back in an hour?

>>12142080
>gen 2 detractor has to resort to lies
lol
>>12142076
I don't believe anyone actually thinks this

>>12142090
It's almost like the morning/day/night cycle is supposed to reflect the real world's 24-hour day or something

>>12142092
>lies
There is no lie. Otherwise tell me how you would've gotten a legitimate Celebi outside of Japan before RS.

>>12142090
Your emulator probably uses your computer's clock, it's not worth messing with that. It's easier to do the debug menu shit or hack in the Pokemon.

>>12142097
There were several events in Europe, the US, and Australia where you could receive Celebi much in the same way you could receive Mew in RBY. I don't know why you're even trying to do this; these events are widely known about end documented online. Just look on Bulbapedia and you'll see a dozen or so listed for GS/C that took place in Western countries in 2000-2001.

>>12142101
>end
*and

>johtonigger is a eurocuck that has to resort to lies
lol

>>12142105
>European language
English is a European language that is spoken in America, anon...
Note that I actually did receive a Celebi in Gold in Australia, which also speaks the European language known as English.
I know that Americans are retarded (do you think that you speak the indigenous language "American" or something?), and you're clearly a zoomer who has never experienced an in-game event for any Pokemon game, but are you actually trying to argue that there were no events for GSC in the US?
Though, of course, I'm hoping this is just bait. No one can actually be this embarrassingly retarded, right?

>12142105
0/10 bait, come on now

>>12142097
Just buy a Six Flags ticket during a week-long event that was probably handled like shit or apply to Nintendo Power to win one of 251 Celebi. It's so much worse than Toys R Us.

>>12142120
I literally just went to my local shopping centre, the same as I did for Mew. Must suck to be you, gens 1 & 2 are based

>>12142123
>aussienigger
i'm sorry

>>12142114
Nigger. Not bothering to read your post.

>>12142120
First time I heard of the Six Flags event. I'm not blaming myself for not knowing about it. No kid is randomly going there by himself.

>>12142129
Retard, got any other lies to justify your hate for GSC?

>>12142130
Yeah. Why is everyone's favorite part about Johto going to Kanto?

>>12142120
>week long event you have to pay to get in
Not going sorry

>>12142090
>is there an easy way to bypass an integral game mechanic?
go play something else, this is clearly too complicated for you

>>12142120
I remember this. The closest park to me is a 3 hour flight away and it's during the start of the school year. Then my family would still have to drive there and buy park tickets. Why couldn't they at least hold this event in July?

There's also PCNY distributions, but again not reasonable for 90%+ of Americans. If that's all there was for gen 2 Celebi, gen 1 Mew was far easier to get.

>>12142145
It's hardly an integral mechanic. Gen 1 did teambuilding better without it.

>>12142146
There's another sweepstakes that only gave out 251 Celebis. I think Mew Toys R Us was the only reasonable physical Pokemon event they ever had. But to be real they're all fucking garbage.

>>12142149
>It's hardly an integral mechanic
so play without worrying about it

>>12142152
ok i'll play without teddiurs- oh it's only level 2 and i already have 4 badges because traversing johto takes like 10 minutes

>>12142152
Not what I'm saying. Gen 2 would be better games without that garbage mechanic.

>>12142154
I exclusively only use "Switch" mode instead of "Set" when training under leveled pokemon. You just need something bulky and strong to take the punches.

Just remember to turn off "Switch" mode when you're done. It makes battles too easy.

>>12142164
>grinding
didn't beat the game ausfag

>>12142164
It's called Shift mode zoomie.

>>12142105
Kek
D e s u every gen 1-3 event Pokemon may as well not exist for the vast majority of kids

>>12131927 (OP)
Johtomons are background mons. There's like 10 memorable Pokemon from gen 2, everything else is extremely forgettable

>>12132125
>what makes pokemon good
being 7 when you played it does not make it good

>>12142170
>>12142170
It's so you can use a Pokemon you like, idiot. No team would ever have an Ursaring without grinding a little.

Beating Pokemon requires 0 grind. You can beat the whole game with your starter, red Gyarados, and whatever giftmons you receive. You can arm them with strong TMs and Surf, vitamins, and rare candies. But your starter can beat the whole game by itself, with minimum battles, because you get a shit load of items. Items are OP in battle but you really don't need to use them except between battles in large dungeons or versus the E4.

And don't purityfag over items. No items means you have to grind.

You probably think "beating the game" means strategically building a balanced team and fighting the right enemies with the right pokemon. You can do that too but it's literally slower than dulldozing through with a Typhlosion that knows Ember, Flame Wheel, Flamethrower, and Fire Blast.
>>12142174
I forgot, I only play gens 1-3 once a year or two. Not a big pokemonfag since the series changed too much.

>>12142090
1 will work, just look up how to do it.

I think the problems people have with day/night cycle is solved by having everything show up at different, nonzero rates. Like Hoothoot's encounter rate can be 5% during the day and 30% at night. Anything at 5% or above is good.

>>12142220
For the purposes of GSC yeah that might have been a good idea.

I for one always liked the idea of not just day/night exclusive pokemon, but seasonal ones too. But to make it work, you a) need the game to have online functionality, and b) need it to have a ten-year shelf life so people have multiple chances to get seasonal/holiday stuff.

>>12142395
And another thought, seasonal moves and abilities. They could reflect what different species do in different seasons. Like maybe a springtime growlithe that can learn surf. Or pokemon who learn fire moves to stay warm in winter. Certain monsters could gain lightning rod during months with severe thunder storms. Stuff like that.

>>12142036
Yes and youtube clickbait about gen 2 is "fixing it" or "it's not as good as your remember"

you dense fuck

>>12142040
>Gen2 fags like breeding
>Zero people who breed Pokemon enjoy it
One faggot who's a big Zero is such an incel he seethes about pokemon breeding

>>12139517
boomers didn't grow up with the gameboy
zoomers would have been able to play HGSS on their ds/3ds, and rereleases of GSC on 3ds

>>12142589
gen 2 fags don't like breeding
one faggot trying to shit up /vr/ with gen 2 threads is such a nigger he samefags half the thread

>>12142548
Wow yeah bro, look at all these scary YouTubers brainwashing zoomers about gen 2.

>>12143006
>>12143013
only 2 of those are praising the games but continue to nitpick, we all have youtube nigga

I don't understand why anons continue to engage with lead brained retards who are only pretending to dislike gen 2.

Like, nothing you say is going to change their opinion because every post they make is a fabricated position. They don't even believe what they're saying.

so odd...

>>12131927 (OP)
Nothing will ever beat the original 151, they likely had to make a deal with the devil to make it as incredible as it is, no other explanation.
>>12132125
A lot of games are just the same games over and over, you're not making any profound point, you're just being annoying.

>>12143257
>gen 2 nigger can't read
grim

>>12143269
>kurt's balls are just painted pokeballs
soul...

>>12143269
>pretending to dislike gen 2
>fabricated position
You really can't fathom why some people may not like gen 2? How brain damaged are you?

>>12143289
Can you not read your own picture?

>>12143292
There's a guy saying gen 2 would have been objectively better had it lacked the day night cycle.

I will not entertain deeply unserious people.

You can prefer gen 1, or 3 or w/e. You can feel like gen 2 isn't to your particular tastes, but to think it's dogshit is silly.

>>12143296
>i value gameplay over "imm*rsion" (just go outside retard)
based

>>12143296
>There's a guy saying gen 2 would have been objectively better had it lacked the day night cycle.
yeah that guy is a retard, not even good bait.

>>12143257
>you should love it
>a classic
>tests your morals - the story is good
>my favorite pokemon games of all time
>sprites are great
>fucking heart shaped eyes
Fucking retard lmao

>>12143296
>>12143306
samefag

>>12143006
>>12143013
most of the anti gen 2 arguments come from the faggot nuzlocker who judges the game based around the nuzlock run.

>>12143296
michio kaku?

>>12143307
>Hates itself
>"evolution of a classic" you can't read nigger
>making an assumption that "testing morals" automatically means good
disingenuous faggot

>>12143306
Yeah I don't get it, they would be better off in their containment board on /vp/, it's not like they have any real arguments, just wasting time seething is fun for some people I suppose..

>>12143316
lol.

>>12143319
I never noticed the resemblance, but it does kind of look like him.

>>12143316
2 of these don't even say gen 2 is bad. Can you read?

>>12143316
so it's just pchal living rent free in your head for 5 years? should've just said so.

>>12139517
>boomers

>>12143323
>why you should love it
>a perfect sequel? = it's good but is it perfect?
>testing moral = the story is good
Fucking retard lmao

>>12143326
have 2 more

>>12143332
You can only assume the first one is bad, and that guy literally made his own gen 2 romhack. How shit is your reading comprehension dude?

>>12143335
no where in that pic does it say the youtuber created his own gen 2 romhack.
fuck off you stupid fuck

>>12143332
>smithplays
bad example, he loves gen 2

>>12143341
>so many videos about "fixing gen 2"
I made an assumption based on his clickbait vids my back

>>12143350
yeah he hates gen 2 so much he devotes half his channel to it and made a fucking game from it
cmon now.

>>12143316
>>12143332
>the pChal video everyone knows about
>nothing about gen 2 being bad
>literally who video
>nothing about gen 2 being bad
>gen 2 autist
>nothing about gen 2 being bad
>nothing about gen 2 being bad
>nothing about gen 2 being bad
I don't get what's so groundbreaking about this

>>12143316
The nuzlocker video doesn't contextualize his problems with it around nuzlocking. It is very battle oriented though.

>>12143384
>he watched it
why?

>>12143389
If I'm going to get mad about something, I at least want to be correct about it.

>>12143392
>mad about something
making a lot of assumptions

>>12143394
>assumptions
Why else would you make a screencap and call him a faggot nuzlocker?

Now that we're back on the topic.

>>12143332
>ji_mothy
hmm

>>12143407
>>12143410
it should be illegal to nostalgiabait with shitty games like gsc

>>12143401
because I was proving youtubers dislike gen 2.

>>12143414
I don't care what these faggots do with their channels. What is completely wrong is retards here thinking they're astroturfing gen 2 negativity.

>>12143410
hhmm

Like I said, nobody actually dislikes gen 2. It isn't a real position because it's nonsensical to anyone who has played them.

GSC is at worst mid, but basically everyone agrees they're really good games on the whole.

>>12143419
only one of those is positive about gen 2
>>12143407
only one of those is positive

you're a disingenuous fuck bro

>>12143423
This is right though. Johtofags reward ideas and ambition over execution and gameplay

>>12143425
>basically everyone agrees they're really good games on the whole
lmao no

>>12143427
>yes I get my views from youtubers
called it >>12140263

>>12143429
Even you agree they're good games lmfao.

>>12143434
???
retard

>>12143439
It's obvious to everyone you have no actual dissenting argument as to why the games are bad. That's why you're pretending to be an idiot in this thread. It's just directionless anger, a pass time better suited for /vp/.

>>12143446
??????
retard

On the topic of youtubers here's an interesting video talking about Gen 2s fleeing mechanic

A lot of newer players always assume every pokemon needs to be built for battle or stuff, when in reality many were just meant to be cool/cute and complete a pokedex, catching them is the fun part. There are also pokemon that suck at battle but excel at capturing pokemon, like how parasect is amazing with spore/false swipe.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ay1-MjC7hI

>>12143446
NTA but most problems were explained earlier and almost all gameplay related. What I've gathered from Johtofags in this thread is they care way more about catching em all and graphics and know nothing about battles.

>>12143454
>NTA
X

>>12143457
I've also gathered that Johtofags seethe really fucking hard.

>>12142154
>ok i'll play without teddiurs-
good
put away the spreadsheets and use what you find instead of meticulously planning out your playthrough ahead of time

i fucking hate /vp/edophiles so much

>>12143468
ok i'll use ampharos and uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

>>12143462
>Johtofags
I don't even need to say anything else because the dynamic here is obvious to everyone. Even you.

>>12143468
Truly a disgusting bunch.

>>12143473
Nice no argument, Johtofag.

>>12143475
There isn't anything to argue, we both agree that Johto is good and that you're pretending not to like it because you have autism.

Stomp your feet all day long, but reality isn't going to change. A temper tantrum isn't going to make a difference.

>>12143483
>we both agree that Johto is good
I don't know who you think I am. Don't put words in my mouth.

>>12143483
holy fucking schizo batman

>>12143483
There isn't anything to argue because everyone knows Johto is poorly designed dogshit and the only thing preventing you from coming out and admitting it are your nostalgia goggles.

>>12143486
I'm just pointing out the obvious. Like when you shit your pants, we can all smell your stinky little /vp/ turds.

>>12143468
>don't plan ahead
fuck that, I will use my shouldermon for stadium 2

>>12143493
>/vp/ turds
Is this your new YouTuber boogeyman?
Only the original 151 exist.

>>12143491
k.
>>12143419
>>12143410
>>12143407

>>12143498
>doesn't like Heracross
what are you a faggot?

>>12143507
No, he's being disingenuous/ he likes gen 2, just pretends not to.

He isn't retarded, just autistic. Everyone knows heracross is awesome.

>>12143472
>still planning
hopeless wretch

>>12143507
>shillmon
no

>>12143507
Eh not really.

>>12143507
Why'd he do it

>>12143512
Whatever helps you sleep at night :D

>>12143513
you have to plan for gen 2 because of day/night cockblocking and the shit encounter rates. actually i think i'll solo the game with feraligatr again

>>12143512
>>12143483
johtimmys are a cult

>>12143527
>>12143493

>>12143529
>>12143521

>>12143531
>>12143525

>the schizo is this assmad about refusing to believe some anons don't like gen 2
and this is why you get clowned out of /v/, /vp/, and every other pokemon community

Which way western man

>>12143537
>>12143521

>>12143537
you're trying too hard

>>12143539
Arcanine is cool but they made stones impossible to get in this game for no reason.

>>12143546
i don't have to try hard when i'm right

>>12143539
I prefer left, but Skarmoary, Donphan, and Ledian are cool. Either way you're in for a fun time imo.

>>12143539
God this is awful. But Primeape is my bro so Gold

>>12143539
it's actually pathetic how hard kanto mogs the johtimmy shitmons

>>12143527
>>12143558
samefag

>>12143552
more like either way you're only using typhlosion or feraligatr anyway

>>12143568
>>12143546
Is right lol.

>>12143560
I don't think he'd deny that. What he isn't doing is replying and agreeing to himself a minute apart, like >>12143507 and >>12143512

>>12143573
thanks i know i'm right

>>12143575
lmfao, dumbass

>>12143560
>samefag
>replying to two different posts
how fucking retarded are you, johtimmy?

>>12143590
>hates gen 2 enough to fake screenshots
lol

I think what is a really interesting look into the mind of a /vp/ schizo. Is that he's samefagging himself against multiple other anons, and so all he's doing is providing false evidence to himself?

Mind boggling autism.

>>12143581
>hates gen 2 enough to fake screenshots
lol

>>12143581
>>12143590
Kek
These threads should be a monthly occurrence

>>12135239
You do realize that the changes in gen 3 were done out of demand of japanese fans at the time, right?

>>12143606
Japanese fans are why pokemon is what it is today. Only a loon would defer to them.

>>12143608
>tranny option
>unrelated to gameplay
>just some faggot prancing about
>you didn't play this or stadium 2
>you only used your starter and/or ampharos
no wonder crystal was the lowest selling mainline game in the entire franchise

>>12143614
>>12143546

>>12143607
modern pokemon games are far better than the any johto game though

>>12143614
came out right alongside the Gameboy Advance bro

>>12143618
>>12143593

>>12143616
still don't need to try

>>12143620
so did emerald and the DS and it outsold crystal even after johto sabotaged pokemania

>>12142090
Emulator's go by your devices clock rather than the game's.
Putting the game in fast forward won't do anything.

Gen 3 are the only pocketto monstas worth playing. RSE and FRLG are perfect and fully encapsulate the Pokémon experience. Maybe HGSS as well for just giving GSC a nice facelift. But DPPT-onward really shows the decline in quality all around.

>>12143627
holy shit dude you really are trying too hard

>>12143630
No, DPPT-onward is way better than any johtofag garbage.

>>12143627
What the fuck

>>12143627
Mindboggling levels on display. Truly.

>>12143593
yeah he's not being subtle

>>12143637
>>12143638
>>12143641

them time stamps

>>12143627
Hahahaha holy shit.

>>12143645
>>12143641

>>12143627
Kris is a trans icon.

>>12143627
>>12143654

>>12143546

>>12143654
>>12143641

>>12143659
>>12143641

>>12143627
>>12143654
Dying right now

>>12143593
>First it's Night/Day cycle is bad
>Then it's micro seconds adding up makes the game bad
>now he's trying to equate trannies to gen 2
It's so tiresome

>>12143670
>>12143634

>>12143670
>>12143668
The /vp/ scourge knows no bounds

>>12143672
how am I trying too hard, can you substantiate your claim

>>12143627
Ah yes because Game Freak invented female protagonists.

>>12143678
Everyone has given many reasons as to why gen 2 is bad. You have yet to substantiate why gen 2 is good aside from complaining about how could people not like it.

>>12143670
>shillmon
gross

>>12143684
I never substantiated anything because I never made a fucking claim besides you trying too hard.
>Everyone has given many reasons as to why gen 2 is bad.
one autist samefagging terribly while trying his hardest to come up with reasons to dislike an inoffensive game is pathetic

>>12143684
impossible mode: don't mention graphics, comfy, immersion, or you had to be there

>>12143684
That anon isn't me pretender schizo. Not everyone is just a voice in your head

>Everyone
lmfao.

>>12143692
>>12143452
scroll up nigger

>>12143691
one autist samefagging about /vp/ and how nobody likes their gay childhood game is fucking pathetic. go to reddit if you want a hivemind.

>>12143692
The implementation of new game systems like the radio and the addition of a new type are neato.

>>12143703
>>12143546

>>12143703
>>12143634

>>12143703
Too many truthnukes making Johtoniggers seethe hard
>>12143708
>>12143710

>>12143714
please go on about how the day/night cycle is bad and how breeding is shit.
you stupid fuck

>>12143703
Isn't it suspicious how the video game boards shit on every game, but then GSC comes up and the rabid defenders try super hard to change the narrative?

>>12143720

>>12143670
I guess we can add conspiracy to the list now too lol.

>>12143718
>I love not building my team because it's dark outside and spending 200 hours to get a perfect DV pokemon
Retard

>>12143720
Yes kek

>>12143725
>>12143714

>>12143730
>>12143446

>>12143725
does he not understand people can scroll up and see the "rabid defenders" calling out stupid shit like hating breeding and the day/night cycle
>>12143726


Whatever here's one of my favorite pokemon

>>12143726
you're supposed to stare at the blue pixels and bouncing flower balls until morning retard

>>12143718
>>12143735
I don't understand what you're talking about. Hating breeding has been the common opinion for decades.

>>12143741
yes compfaggots hate breeding because it takes forever to create perfect pokemon they need.
Everyone else just breeds for egg moves or shinies like normal people

>>12143736
You can't be serious.

>>12143741
>I don't understand what you're talking about. Hating breeding has been the *retard opinion for decades.

You can tell the johtimmy is spamming replies on his PC and phone to make the thread hit bump limit faster lol

>>12143746
Who is everyone else? Compfags are the ones playing the game. Shinyfags are much more autistic.

>>12143747
*common

>>12143527
>>12143558
>>12143591
>>12143749
Holyshit you're really trying hard to create a new buzzword aren't you. Do you even know what timmy means bro?

>>12143747
well what else would i do? play the game so the pokemon i want is 25 levels underleveled?

>>12143751
>Who is everyone else?
lmfao.

>>12143757
Yep thought so. Crazy how this is the same "argument" the gen 2 nigger has used for the whole thread.

>>12143761
what argument are you talking about schizo

>>12143756
>well what else would i do? play the game
You can't be serious.

>>12143764
He doesn't have one, as i've pointed out numerous times throughout this thread.

>>12143764
I'm not reading your post to you. You clearly had no argument to begin with.

>>12143767
>>12143769

>>12143769
>I'm not reading your post to you.
This sentence doesn't even make sense.

>>12143767
>can't be serious
>>12142154

>>12143774
Still dodging the question. What makes gen 2 fun to play and not a colorful walking simulator?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7yV8Cxspnc
stop bad mouthing johturd, you fucking chuds!

>>12143316
>who judges the game based around the nuzlock run.
You're just lying to feel better about yourself at this point.

>>12143779
That voice is how I pretend the Johtonigger sounds

>>12143779
>posts literaly youtube who's
see this is why people are calling you a tryhard anon. You're trying too hard to shit on gen 2, it's kinda sad in a way.

>>12143778
>What makes gen 2 fun to play and not a colorful walking simulator?
Capturing pokemon.

>>12143323
You did NOT watch that morality video.

>>12143789
>trying too hard to shit on gen 2
>posts a positive johto video
are you retarded?

Who's your favorite Gen 2 pokemon? Mine's Rattata.

>>12143789
It isn't kind of sad, it's flat out pathetic.

>>12143790
Then gen 1 did it much better. Gen 2 added a bunch of bullshit to make you wait around or change the clock to find what you want. Those aren't gameplay mechanics, it's just wasting your time without doing anything engaging.

>>12143431
Nta, but GS specifically is VERY half baked.

>>12143789
>>12143795
Is this your argument again? Samefagging in agreement while saying nothing?

>>12143797
>Gen 2 added a bunch of bullshit to make you wait around or change the clock to find what you want
Well no. I have a life, so I played it when I have off time. Rather than sitting around seething like a dipshit

>>12143804
Schizo.

>>12143804
>argument
what argument, I'm making a statement that you're trying too hard you dense fuck

>>12143805
>I have a life
Gen 1 lets you catch what you want when you want. Gen 2 doesn't.

>>12143803
>>12143457

>>12143807
You might be autistic if you think that anon is dense rather than being deliberately obtuse.

>>12143805
>>12143807
>>12143814
Still waiting for you to say something substantive instead of being a pissy faggot the entire thread.

>>12143736
>>724725589
No fucking way lmfao.

>>12143539
With the exception of Skarmory, every gold exclusive is better than the silver counterpart.

>>12143814
I honestly can't tell with posts like this >>12143818

>>12143824
>filename
stop samefagging

>>12143824
I'm telling you. The overly vitriolic anti-gen 2 schizo is not sincere. They are unwell, and will spend their entire day samefagging gen 2 threads.

>>12143607
The same opinion was also a thing in the western world back then, Youtubers and newer games merely popularized that.

>>12143830
Come on, respond to me instead of being a bitch. >>12143813

>>12143830
Yeah, better to focus on something else.

>>12143539
>>12143608
I go Crystal for the early game sneasel

>>12143830
>spend their entire day samefagging
rich coming from you

>>12143608
You forgot two things.
>Catchable Magmar in the burnt tower in GS
>Crystal updated some movepools AND added Flame thrower, Ice Beam and TBolt move tutors.

>>12143839
Your delusions are for a therapist. Seek help.

>>12143851
Once again, over 300 posts later and still no argument. Johto sucks on all accounts, stay seething.

>>12143846
>Catchable early magmar vs move tutors
fuck that's a difficult choice

>>12143846
I find it so strange that mareep was what they chose to silo off.

>>12143814
Only one (You) on my screen, btw, i actually like gen 2 and grew up with it unlike most of the antis here.

>>12143853
>no argument
the johto argument is ad hominem and "ur trying 2 hard haha gottem ;)"

>>12143859
maybe it was too popular and they wanted players to have more diverse teams? Maybe they thought mareep being outside the flying gym was too easy

>>12143867
lol
what actually happened is kids only used their starter because the new pokemon diversity sucked hard

>>12143861
If that's true then I have no qualms with that stance. There are legitimate criticism one can have with how the systems were implemented, I think the pokegear could have played a bigger role with the phone numbers and stuff.

>>12143867
I guess given how popular of a pokemon it was, I would have at least thought they would just stuff it somewhere late game. I guess it doesn't matter much because you could easily trade it from G/S given a lot of people had one. So in the end it isn't like they were hard to come by.

>>12143876
>I guess given how popular of a pokemon it was, I would have at least thought they would just stuff it somewhere late game. I guess it doesn't matter much because you could easily trade it from G/S given a lot of people had one. So in the end it isn't like they were hard to come by.
Maybe they didn't' want to replace G/S completely. If Mareep didn't exist there wouldn't be a lot of reasons to play G/S

>>12143879
>If Mareep didn't exist there wouldn't be a lot of reasons to play G/S
Actually yeah, that's a pretty solid reason lol.

>>12132125
>what makes pokemon good
Here's the real truthnuke. Modernfags play the games for the battles. Johtofags are the only Pokefags who still care about catching em all when it's the most boring shit ever.

>>12143891
yet Legends war universally loved

>>12142994
>one faggot makes the rules about what everyone else likes
>they/them is so naturally gifted with shitting thing sup that he shits up /vr/ without even trying
Such mad skillz you have

>>12143895
>universally loved
Off topic but Arceus and ZA had completely different battle and catching systems, yet they were still pretty underwhelming. I think people only liked them because it was different from the mainline games.

>>12143904
> I think people only liked them because it was different from the mainline games
a lot of oldfags liked collecting the pokemon and stuff. The battles weren't really the focus

>>12143903
>one faggot is so autistic it thinks anyone who disagrees with it is pretending to be retarded
see >>12143512

>>12143909
Yes so my original claim is true. The gotta catch em all marketing was that successful even though it's the most jewish shit ever.

>>12143452
>Pokemon used exclusively for catching others
That's just a step above an HM slave.

>>12143895
As a battlefag, I lost interest after I started getting missions. Catching Pokemon should be part of the gameplay, not revolve around it.

>>12143924
not really since you actually use the pokemon. HM slaves are only shield when switching to something else.

>>12143924
I don't think it's so bad that certain pokemon have roles on the team outside of just stomping other trainers.

>>12131927 (OP)
Remember when Pokemon didn't shove the legendaries in your face? Oh wait, Ho-oh and Lugia are on the fucking box.

>>12143942
The story never forced or required you to interact with the box legendries at all. It's actually refreshing not being some savior of the world, just a kick ass trainer who explored and found powerful pokemon

>>12143943
Gen 1 did the same thing and made the existence of Mew and Mewtwo like a sci-fi mystery. None of the box Pokemon were legendaries. Gold and Silver invented the concept of box legendaries.

>>12143943
It's the same schizo trying to bait another argument derailment anon..

>>12143950
Huh?

>>12143929
Do you really? Parasect is already going to be a punching bag for any opponent anyway and having a move slot dedicated to false swipe doesn't help.

>>12143452
Ironically it's easier to ignore all that shit completely and use your starter for the whole game. That's what everyone did at the time.

>>12143969
I've always found parasect pretty viable in most of my playthroughs. Unless you mean competitive against other players?

>>12143526
>you have to plan for gen 2 because
no, you really don't
you're sweating over spreadsheets and trying to optimize your run through a child's game, it's like you're actively trying to not have fun

>>12144008
>spreadsheets
>optimize
Wrong words. He's trying to find Pokemon, not do some hardcore challenge run. Unless you find wandering around grass for an hour until realizing it's a morning-only encounter fun.

>>12144017
>wrong words
>she's just using precompiled encounter table and learnset spreadsheets to create her planned team and optimize her run
/vp/edophiles would die if they sat down and tried to play a game without guides

>>12144008
i have no clue what you're going on about over spreadsheets or optimization. i just use bulbapedia to look up where the pokemon shows up. in 2000 you'd use the player's guide to look shit up.

>>12144028
>implying

>>12144031
>i have no clue what you're going on about over spreadsheets
>i just use bulbapedia
how are you old enough to use this website and don't know what a spreadsheet is?
hint: picrel is a spreadsheet

>>12144039
where did i say i was looking up movesets or trying to optimize anything? who's trying to start shit now, nigger?

>>12144039
>>12134836

>>12144041
remember when you said you were looking for teddiursa, and just HAD to bypass the day/night cycle to get it?
good news, this is also a spreadsheet

>>12144052
>>12136565

reminder johto literally takes 5 hours to complete and gsc is shorter than hgss

>>12144049
>>12144057
you aren't trying hard enough
maybe if you did, you could beat baby's first rpg without a guide

nvm found it

>>12144052
Really sweating over looking at that one cell with 5% in it. What are you even talking about?

>>12144073
>>12134962

>>12144083
>i'm not using spreadsheets!
>
>so what if i'm using spreadsheets?!
average /vp/edophile when confronted with their actions
>sweating
you've been toiling around in the same spot for the last 5 hours now looking for something because you planned your team ahead of time instead of just playing the game
yes, i'd describe that as sweating over it

>>12144091
>spreadsheets
Still not what that means.

No one is saying you need Teddiursa to beat the game. Most people use one Pomemon, the starter. The point is you need to look it up and change the time to have the experience of using it.

nice purge, too bad it was for the wrong posters.

>>12144105
>Still not what that means.
that is absolutely a spreadsheet, stop being retarded
>No one is saying you need Teddiursa to beat the game
i never said they were
i suggested that maybe the reason they're not having fun is because they planned everything ahead of time, and are now mindlessly adhering to that plan instead of just playing the game organically
>you need to look it up
no, you don't have to look anything up
you're somehow still missing the point

>>12144112
The whole point of replaying Pokemon is to try using different stuff on your team. Teddiursa is isolated to one area at only one part of the day. It's basically designed to be anti-fun.

>>12144112
??
spreadsheets in pokemon mean calcs for battles, which i don't do. this is just looking up shit on a wiki. completely wrong terminology

>>12144120
I also see Excel sheets for encounter routing in nuzlockes but that actually is sweaty.

>that IP wipe
lol and the johtimmy was accusing others of samefagging

>>12144114
>using different stuff on your team
that's fine, but what's happening instead is this person (god rest their soul) is spending hours seeking one specific monster, not having fun doing it, and then blaming the game for what they themselves are choosing to do
it's genuinely some of the most retarded behavior i've ever seen, and it's always so common in pokemon threads
>Teddiursa is isolated to one area at only one part of the day
so then don't get it and move on
>designed to be anti-fun
it's not designed around you knowing the ins and outs of when and how rarely it spawns
it's a chance encounter that some very lucky kids would run into, and then tell their friends about later

>>12144120
>spreadsheets in pokemon mean calcs for battles
no, that's a battle calculator
what you're doing is looking at spreadsheets

>>12144138
You’re still trying too hard

It introduced her across so it’s based to me.

>>12144143
no this is a spreadsheet
bulbapedia is a wiki
tables are not spreadsheets

>>12144143
>don't get it and move on
I already used 98% of the new Pokemon on my team before. I want to use Teddiursa.

>>12144153
yep, that's a spreadsheet
>>12144039
>>12144052
these are also spreadsheets
i don't know why you're so adamant about pretending you're not consulting spreadsheets.
it wouldn't make what you're doing any less embarrassing

>>12144160
>I want to use Teddiursa.
then accept that you're doing this to yourself and the game isn't designed around it

>>12144163
Thanks for conceding that the day/night mechanic makes teambuilding worse. But I don't think you were arguing in good faith regardless.

>the faggot who thinks the day/night cycle is bad is still here
How’d he not get purged?

>>12144174
Why is your whining not getting purged?

>>12144163
No one except you calls going to Bulbapedia consulting spreadsheets lol. You're great at trolling Pokefags, I'll give you that.

>>12144171
>teambuilding
nobody made you plan out every aspect of your team before playing, and nobody's making you adhere to those plans
i'd call you a retard if you spent 5 hours in red and blue's safari zone because you just refused to continue without a tauros, too

you refuse to play the game normally without guides, and you're doing this to yourself

>>12144185
i really couldn't give less of a shit who calls looking through spreadsheets "consulting spreadsheets"
learn what words mean and you won't be caught in these embarrassing situations

>>12144163
>and the game isn't designed around it
The game is designed around what exactly?

>>12144190
>of your team before playing, and nobody's making you adhere to those plans
What if they didn't catch a final member and at that point and Teddiursa is their favorite pokemon?

>>12144190
Dude he’s samefagging posts at you like crazy

>>12144190
I don't think you realize anyone who still likes old Pokemon games have played through them dozens of times by now.

Being a pedantic faggot about words you take literally and fail to contextualize is peak autism.

>>12144171
>Thanks for conceding that the day/night mechanic makes teambuilding worse
He never conceded that though. Do you have a mental disability?

>>12144185
Going to Bulbapedia is definitely consulting a spreadsheet.

>>12144209
disingenuous trolling samefag, do not reply

>>12144213
???

>>12144209
Trying too hard

>>12144216
He’s saying you’re arguing with a samefagging troll who’ll do/say anything to shit on gen 2

>>12144219
>Strawmans anons point
>Calls others same fag
Can you make a coherent argument?

>>12144232
Trying way too hard
See? I can do it too

>>12144227
>>12144227
Oh, ok that makes sense my bad lol.

Man I don't recall pokemon threads being this autistic. Maybe I'm getting old.

I think it's funny how after so many posts, the gen 2 fag hasn't taken a stance or provided evidence on anything except calling anons retarded.

>>12144240
they don't wanna say it outright, but their argument is graphics, immersion, and catching pokemon matter more than battling. you will never align with them on anything because you enjoy the games for different reasons.

>>12144270
I can mostly accept this but gen 1 did everything you listed better aside the base graphics. But that is the least important part of Pokemon to me.

>>12144270
Well battling is better in gen 2 as well. The only thing gen 1 does better is in giving you access to certain pokemon under the condition that you're doing an A->B run through where you want a specific team and would prefer to do as little work as possible getting it.

>>12144287
Gen 1 was an unbalanced mess on every level. Psychic Pokemon and normal Pokemon had no equal. Special being one stat made them infinitely better than psychical attackers.
Let’s not even get into hyper beam spam and wrap.

I do miss the crit system, I want Persian to be top tier again

>>12144287
Battling in gen 2 is terrible and a fucking drag. The slow UI makes me not want to go into a battle at all. Gen 1 is snappier and the battles at every level are faster and more dynamic in comparison.

>>12144296
>thinks the UI is slow
If stay away from gen 4 if I was you, shit will give you nightmares

>>12144301
Gen 4 sucks but it's based on gen 2's UI. It even has the same HP scrolling bug.

>>12144303
The fuck are you even talking about. Pretty sure you’re just making shit up, would love to be proven wrong

>>12144293
I think there was a charm to the speed crits. I wouldn't have minded if they found a way to rework it so it wasn't broken. The more complexity to the battle system the better imo

>>12144306
HP and exp scroll at the same rate in gen 2 and 4, but the transitions in gen 2 are slightly slower. Both run like shit but in GSC it's less noticeable due to lower levels.

>>12144296
I'm not in agreement that a "snappy" hp scroll is what makes a good battle system lol.

If I wanted a fast paced game I wouldn't be playing a turn based game with an almost chess like depth for move choices.

>>12144316
>bitching about the exp bar
Holy shit that’s retarded as fuck. I thought you were talking about an actual issue, like gen 4s hp speed.

>>12144317
This is the same faggot who thinks the night/day cycle is bad and breeding is a negative.

>>12144317
It's not even just UI. High level gen 2 singles is a boring stallfest. The Stadium 3v3 format is more interesting but most don't think of that when it comes to Pokemon battles.

>>12144320
Holy shit read the first word. I can't tell if you're pretending to be retarded.

>>12144195
then not only did they not plan their team before playing, but they've likely already used teddiursa in previous runs
both of which makes them irrelevant to this discussion, which you'd know if you followed the reply chain

>>12144204
>Being a pedantic faggot is peak autism.
i agree, tell that to >>12144105

>>12144330
I stand by my point. I’d rather have an exp bar telling me when my pokemon will level instead of checking my menu every fucking minute.

>>12144328
still seething about that? no one likes breeding, get over it

>>12144338
>no one likes breeding
maybe not with you

>>12144335
>they've likely already used teddiursa in previous runs
Highly unlikely when it's stuck in such a convoluted location

>>12144287
>>12144296
PvP in Gen 1 on real hardware is a nightmare, full of desync glitches as well as the freeze and sleep status.
Gen 2 might be a slog of a meta with leftovers but at least it was the first Gen where you could battle with others without having to rely on fucking stadium.

>>12144338
>THE UI is slow
>the night/day cycle “limits team building
>breeding is bad because it’s time consuming or some shit
>having rare pokemon like teddiursa is bad because it is

Holy shit this guys retarded

>>12144342
if it's their favorite, chances are they know where it is, which is why they've been wandering around in Dark Cave for 5 hours

>>12144330
I suppose it depends on what you want out of the battle. I prefer the gen 2 meta over the curse lax and Mewtwo meta..

Gen 2 feels more like chess where you're playing for incremental advantages over your opponent, rather than a quick series of matchup stomps.

The fuck, i could swear the thread had 322 posts.

how many of people actually play these games?

>>12144345
>>12144348
Yes, I prefer faster battles over stallfests and judging by how many people play each gen, most would agree. The RNG eventually evens out if you play a ton. I find those glitches charming. Time wasting shit, nope.

>>12144352
Going to play crystal/stadium 2 after I finish beating 1.
It’s the quintessential gameboy color game

>>12144346
Where's the lie

>>12144353
Seems like you want to blitz through the game. Do you even enjoy playing pokemon?

>>12144353
You do realize that for gen 1 battle to not brick itself you had to put a lot of restrictions that can't be done on real hardware, right?

>>12144358
Watching HP scroll up and down is not playing Pokemon.

>>12144353
>stallfests
outside of pvp, there's one guy in the game who can does any amount of stalling and it's koga
have you even played it?

>>12144360
did it back in the day with friends a couple times with a link cable, never had a problem

Another thing I think is lackluster about gen 1 battling is the viability pool of pokemon. Like every team is just Tauros, Snorlax, Starmie, Zapdos, Alakazam, Chansey. On repeat. With the exact same move pool.

>>12144373
me when i complain about chess. it's the same pieces every time.

>>12144376
Sounds like you suck at chess

>>12144373
>judging a game based on pvp
You're just as much of a retard as the other guy.

>>12144370
Did you miss when I said high level gen 2 singles? The main game is slow too like gen 4, don't get me wrong, but not because it's a stallfest.

>>12144376
More like, it's the same 2 openings every game, the same 2 mid games, and the same 2 closings..

>>12144383
Gen 2 isn’t as slow as Gen 4
Post proof that I’m wrong or shut the fuck up about it

>>12144371
You're lucky, desyncing was based on RNG.

>>12144386
actually it's slower
https://youtube.com/watch?v=XFkCu4c2XVw&t=7m32s

>>12144382
??? I'm not judging the entirety of gen 1. I'm comparing the battlling (pvp) of gen 1 to gen 2. Gen 2 is a much more rich meta that prioritizes long-term strategy and incremental wins over a few strategies that close the game by turn 3.

Not even that surprising really, wouldn't expect game freak to create a particularly enjoyable pvp on their first try but they did well enough all things considered.

>>12144392
Well damn I guess Gen 2 is unplayable. I can’t handle watching an hp bar go down for that long

>>12144397
>goalpost moving
Kekk

>>12144403
What goalpost? Do you understand what moving the goalpost is?

>>12144383
>singles
so you have a problem with pvp, and you're applying that to the game as a whole?

>>12144338
>>12144341
>>12144346
Breeding is bad in GSC because the TMs are quite bad outside of headbutt and the elemental punches.
You want to give your pokemon Rock Slide? Well you better have caught that Sudowodo to breed your mon with.
It's also conceptionally contradicts the ""main theme/appeal"" of pokemon, since you're no longer using the pokemon you caught and formed a bond with, but rather their child.

>>12144404
>illiterate
Damn son

>>12144406
Read what I said again. The main game is slow because the engine is slow like gen 4. The PvP is slow because the metagame is slow.

>>12144408
Dude Gen 1 was far more limited with tms and moves.
I think only like 3 pokemon actually learn rock moves, and there’s only one rock tm

>>12144408
Everyone caught sudowoodo though.
And part of the expanded appeal of pokemon was this wasn't just some pokemon you caught, this was one you raised from birth to be a champion pokemon.

>>12144408
Does Sudowoodo reappear if you kill it then beat the E4? If no then that's fucking bullshit

>>12144416
I have no idea what GF was smoking when they made the only damaging ghost moves lick and nightshade

>>12144416
Not really.
>Body Slam
>Double edge
>Seismic toss
>Hyper Beam
>Sword Dance
>Rock Slide
>Bubble Beam
>Fire Blast
>Ice Beam
>Blizzard
>T Bolt
>Thunder
Lots of Johto's weak pokemon would've loved SToss, hell, until crystal gen 2 mons completely missed out of Thunder Bolt and Ice Beam.

>zoomzooms think gen 1 meta was bad
i want /vp/ to leave

>>12144425
Well, what if you failed to catch it?
Reset and try again?
>>12144435
No lol.

>>12144438
Yeah now post the pokemon move pools.
Also almost half of those are normal moves, fyi.

>>12144439
Nobody said gen 1 meta was bad. I just prefer gen 2. Stop being so histrionic.

Gen 1 is extremely simple and quick.
Gen 2 is slow and methodical. Different vibes.

>>12144442
>those are normal moves
And they are strong and useful, what now?

>>12144439
I will gladdly play RBY at any tier over anything in GSC, but i won't lie and say that's not because showdown's rules carries the damn thing.

>>12144440
Trade with a friend who can breed one for you. It's no different than killing Zapdos in gen 1 lol except nobody is going to give you their only Zapdos.

>gen 1
Move pools suck and tms are limited
>gen 2
Introduces breeding as a way to obtain new and unique moves to your Pokemon

This is lot hard to understand

>>12144454
RB were the first games, they can have a bad TM list, GS being the sequel having a TM list nearly as bad or worse than it's predecessor doesn't get the same leverage.

>>12144438
God forbid you want a t-bolt Starmie AND a t-bolt Gengar.

>>12144465
>RB were the first games, they can have a bad TM list
Why lol? Why does being first mean you get to have a pass on a comically limited tm pool.

>>12144465
>nearly as bad
Dude the elemental punches are available early and can be used more than once.

The fuck are you talking about.

>>12144467
You only had one of each anyway.
I guess GSC making all the TM you really want re-buyable is a pro over RBY.

>>12144454
I would say this if the egg moves weren't fucking nothing. What is there to look forward to, Crunch Ekans? Again, interesting idea, terrible execution.

>>12144472
My point is that outside of that there's literally nothing.

>>12144471
Because it means the devs were still experimenting with the game and didn't have much feedback.
In GSC that wasn't really the case.

>>12144408
why should you be handed everything?
you're the same kind of person to complain about tms being limited

>>12144438
Also, hyperbeam is game corner. So your ass is stuck gambling to get that.

>>12144476
>egg moves were nothing
You didn’t play the game

>>12144482
>Wanting a move that was a TM in Gen 1 to ALSO be a TM in Gen 2 is asking to be handed everything

>>12144485
State some examples instead of being a faggot.

>>12144481
Why isn't it the case they didn't have feedback regarding tm's in gen 2? It's not like they didn't have play testers in Gen 1 before release..

Are you of the opinion they got tons of feedback saying the gen 1 tm pool was shit and they arbitrarily ignored it? Why shoot so much bail for gen 1 but not extend the same grace to gen 2 (which did improve the tm pool)

>>12144490
Umbreon leaning mean look
Parasect learning falseswipe
Tyranitar and pursuit
Skymory and drill peck
Gengar and perish song
Chaney and heal bell

>>12144487
yes. you're playing a different game and should be expected to adapt to its differences
and like you pointed out, rock slide isn't even unavailable. it's just behind a different (and this time repeatable) acquisition method

>>12144496
mean look is a level up move lmao
stopped reading there

>>12144504
>one mistake discredits the point
lol
Lmao even

Come up with an actual argument and get back to me

>>12144507
you didn't play the game

>>12144509
>still no argument
I accept your concession

>>12144473
Well in GSC you can move tutor them both t-bolt. In gen 1 it's literally not possible to have both at the same time without trading. Hell it's not even possible to have 2 of the same to trade lmao.

>>12144495
>It's not like they didn't have play testers in Gen 1 before release
Play testing can only do so much compared to People that will play the game for days and tear it to shreds.
>was shit and they arbitrarily ignored it?
No, I think GF wanted players to actively trade with Gen 1 for those tms.

>>12144512
>GSC
Just crystal.

>>12144513
>Play testing can only do so much compared to People that will play the game for days and tear it to shreds.
Pretty massive oversight.

>No, I think GF wanted players to actively trade with Gen 1 for those tms.
This makes no sense. TM's are invaluable in gen 1. Why the hell would anyone ever trade their only means of getting a top tier Starmie or gengar?

>>12144498
My point is that the new method kind of sucks for a move like this?
I'm not against good moves being locked behind Breeding, just not the essential stab moves.
There's a reason every game after GSC has those kind of moves as TMs.

>>12144496
Mistakes aside none of this is relevant for the main game. Like why breed a Gastly with Perish Song when Misdreavus learns it one level later in Mt Silver? The most useful one is Skarmory Drill Peck but that is such a pain in the ass for what is essentially a slight upgrade to Fly in-game.

>>12144515
Whatever, same gen.

>>12144523
No, I mean, trade to gen 1 to get the moves and then trade back.
...which, kinda feels unlikely scenario to do with a friend instead of doing it with your own copy.

>>12144510
i'll use this next time you say the same thing

>>12144529
>same thing
You mean how egg moves grant pokemon new and unique moves they wouldn’t have had before?

>>12144534
how you don't understand the mechanic and how they're pointless for 99% of pokemon in gen 2? yes!

>>12144539
>99% of pokemon don’t benefit from egg moves
That’s a mighty big claim nigga

>>12144293
As far as in-game is concerned, Normals wouldn't be so unbalanced if fighting moves weren't so scarcely spread and weak.
Unlike other types, Fighting had 6 damage dealing moves in the game and yet 3 of them were exclusive to Hitmonlee, then you have double kick which is learned by quite a few pokemon but the only one to get STAB out of it is Lee again, there's also Low kick which was exclusive to the Machop line until yellow gave it to Mankey.
So the only fighting move anyone can learn is Submission, which fucking sucks.

>>12144539
Bellydrum azu needs to be bred..
Same for aqua jet iirc.

..wish Vaporeon can only be gotten via breeding wish to ever too..

>>12144539
I think for gen 2 exclusive moves it's entirely pointless. There's more utility for it in comp but yes it's useless for most Pokemon. But let's be real no one is actually compfagging on a gen 2 cartridge.

>>12144552
>aqua jet
i'm talking exclusively about gen 2
game freak does a lot to fix shit in future gens

>>12144553
People will breed for stadium 2

>>12144559
Oh, well then I still present wish Vaporeon (love that combo) and bellydrum Azumarill as 2 really good moves. I'm sure I could think of others..

>>12144562
That's overkill. Stadium 2 R2 isn't hard if you're using your own Pokemon.

>>12144524
>essential stab moves
very few pokemon need stab moves to be useful, and i'd be hard pressed to call any stab moves "essential"
>There's a reason every game after-
hate this argument because it's just never a very good one
every game after dp made tms infinite, but that doesn't mean it's a good decision

>>12144565
I don't think Wish Vaporeon is in gen 2. Belly Drum Azu without Huge Power or priority is also kinda ass

>>12144573
>very few pokemon need stab moves to be useful
The pokemon who want rock Slide don't have many other options.

Why the fuck don’t they give Aerodactyl rock slide in gens 1&2.

>>12144573
>This move being a TM before and after GSC isn't enough proof that players disliked it being locked behind training.
>every game after dp made tms infinite
By the time of BW not only were badge boosts not a thing anymore but they also designed the game around it by only having the really useful moves very late.

>>12144591
Because in gen 1, the Rock Typing was to it late in development as dual Typing wasn't supposed to be a thing.
As for Gen 2, it was probably an oversight considering Lance's Aero has it.

>>12144525
>main game
Breeding is inherently for compfaggotry. Babies exist to advertise it but the vast majority of most people's play time back then was hatching eggs.

>>12144585
can you give some examples of monsters who need rock slide and can't do anything without it?

>>12144608
That was my point. It's not a useful mechanic for casualfags. I also don't like leaving the Pokemon I want to use in my team in the daycare to breed for a stronger baby. It ruins the spirit of the game for me.

>>12144613
Rhydon line is relatively bad compared to the other rocks in this game if you don't give it RS right away.

>>12144613
NTA but Rock Slide is probably the most important attacking move in VGC.

>>12144625
rhydon is nowhere near unusable without rock slide, you need to replay the game

>>12144628
>VGC
yawn

>>12144634
I accept your concession.

>>12144616
I think this depends on what your conception of a casual fag is. For some who want to just move through the game with little fanfare yeah breeding probably seems like an obnoxiously long path to their destination, but that's because they just want to get to the next badge and move on.

Some casual players enjoy the s.o.l-esque pacing so dropping off their mon in the daycare while they go hunt for apricorns or do the bug catching contest or other dailies is fine.

>>12144640
you couldn't come up with any examples and had to resort to compfag autism
you were wrong, get over it

>>12144646
You didn't explain how Rhyhorn is usable, so it's a concession. Look at its movepool, it's fucking ass without RS or EQ.

>>12144634
>say opposite point
>explain nothing
>i won
Keeekkk

>>12144643
The balls from the Apricorns don't work properly so what's the point? The bug catching contest isn't enough content to justify doing repeatedly so what's the point?

>>12144650
>You didn't explain how Rhyhorn is usable
are you retarded? everything in game is usable
you don't even get rhyhorn (which you've switched to for some reason) until victory road at level 35. it comes with stomp and you get earthquake in the same dungeon. it can slot into your party ready to go
you need to replay the game

>>12144652
i agree, >>12144625 did exactly that

>>12144663
>stomp
KEK

>>12144663
>stomp
>ready to go
Oh you're just retarded and a giant faggot, good to know.

>>12144663
Safari Zone? Hello? Are you sure you played the games?

>>12144657
They're fun activities to do is the point. Battle trainers around the map is fun, traversing the map on your bike is fun, hunting for new pokemon at different times of day is fun, checking out how the world changes from day to day is fun.

It was really cool running into silver in the overworld casually. Nothing like that exists in gen 1

>>12144672
That's cool but you are for sure in the minority. Kids who played gen 1 on release did not play this way, assuming they even bought GS.

>>12144672
Yeah gen 2 did exploration really well. Game was always a blast to get lost in

>>12144663
what's even worse than being wrong is your shitty attitude. maybe work on that next time you shitpost on /vp/ and i'll consider replying seriously.

>>12144667
>>12144669
oh, you've just never played the game

>>12144671
>Safari Zone?
gsc doesn't have a safari zone, what are you talking about?

>>12144683
>stomp
Keeeeekkkkkk

>>12144663
using your eq tm when rhydon learns it leveling up is crazy shit

>>12144667
>>12144669
>>12144685
>can't beat pokemon without minmaxing
so this is the power of the average /vp/edo

>>12144674
That might just depend on who you were around with. I wouldn't be surprised if most did in fact play gen 2 as if its design philosophy was the same as gen 1's. But I don't think the amount of people who played it like my latter example is so small that they could be handwaved away.

The Y2K era is notorious for tomogachi, and furby, and all sorts of "daily" events shit. Hell, gacha games became a multi billion dollar industry in part on the back of the concept.

>>12144689
>moving goalposts again
Keekktopp

>>12144687
Rhyhorn doesn't learn EQ until sometime in the 50s. If you're slotting it into your team at the time you catch one, likely for the Elite Four, you would never wait that long.

>>12144692
so going back to the original point, why wouldn't i give it rock slide? any graveler will outshine rhyhorn at that point

Idg why stomp on Rhyhorn is such a meme to you guys for an in-game playthrough.. horn attack + flinch (if you out speed) is serviceable. The Rhy line has never been particularly glamorous in the moveset department.

>>12144696
>why wouldn't i give it rock slide?
because the original point was
>can you give some examples of monsters who need rock slide and can't do anything without it?
rhyhorn/don is not useless without rock slide
breeding to get rock slide was always an option, but you don't need to if you don't want to

>>12144697
It’s one guy samefagging

>>12144698
it is useless though
stomp is a shit move and too slow for rhyhorn/rhydon to flinch anything
>play the game
i did, it sucks. since you're so adamant, explain how you'd use it in the e4

>>12144697
What are you outspeeding with 25 speed

>>12144705
if you're struggling to be the johto elite four without breeding for optimal movesets, you're beyond help
>e-explain how-
no
you've moved the goalposts enough already

>>12144708
oh you're just a faggot and can't explain shit
not bothering with you again.

>>12144705
Set him up. Batonpass ya boy a substitute and hit those agilities.

>>12144710
>if i just keep moving the goalposts i'll win!
sure thing /vp/edophile
enjoy being bad at pokemon

>>12144713
>set up
this applies to literally everything
i guess sunkern and magikarp are viable and have zero issues :)

>>12144706
Anything I want with proper setup. Why would I play rhydon as some revenge killer when he's slow as shit with a tiny move pool in game where I can do all of the least competitive but fun strategies I can think of.

I actually enjoy playing pokemon, so coming up with strategies to make a mon more viable is part of the fun.

>>12144721
>Everything is viable in game
Yeah, everyone knows this.

>>12144721
>sunkern and magikarp
Sunkern and Magikarp exist to be early game monsters that give back what you put into them, not late game party supplements like Rhydon.
Sunflora and Gyarados are extremely good.

>>12144727
>shitflora
>extremely good
Keeeeekkkk

>>12144724
>proper setup
Boooooring. You're better off not using it if that's what it takes.

>>12144728
Is this really the only thing /vp/ posters can do when someone doesn't exclusively use VGC sets?

>>12144732
>intentionally missing the point
Keeekkee

>>12144731
>Boooooring
this is the kid who only uses attacking moves

>>12144731
I'm just now remembering you're probably the anon who played the game with his starter only so the idea of team composition and synergy is beyond you.

>>12144736
>it's the smart kid that uses one pokemon and one shots everything
yep

>>12144738
>>12144737
Holyshit I was right kek. Ain't NO fuckin way.

>>12144737
There is no reason to do any team comp in-game. Everyone knows setting up is broken and has seen the videos with Magikarp sweeping legendaries with 10+ turns of setup. It's as lame as Toxic/Curse stall.

>>12144743
you're saying healing every 2 turns to use swords dance and agility again is cringe? or spamming x items? stop the presses!

>>12144743
>There is no reason to do any team comp in-game
You're right that there's no reason to, but it's a lot more fun than mashing the A button without thinking for every fight.
And it lets you participate in a discussion like this without looking like a retard who thinks Stomp is unusable.

>>12144743
The reason is it's fun.

You lack the mental faculties to even understand what I'm getting at so maybe this is a fruitless conversation..

>>12144749
There is no discussion to be had. Everyone has known how broken setting up is. You're being a dick about strategies people have showcased for over a decade and roll their eyes about.

Stomp is shit and Rhyhorn should get Rock Slide to be useful on its own. End of story.

>>12144747
Why would I be healing? I'm behind a batonpass subsubstitute...

>>12144754
Stamping your feet and crying doesn't mean the discussion just goes away.
Stomp is fine, Rhydon doesn't get Rock Slide without breeding, and it doesn't need Rock Slide to be usable in-game.

>>12144756
>how do I set up for 10 turns while the opponent is attacking me
Play the game

>>12144754
Lmfao.
>End of story
I'm arguing with a literal child aren't I?

>>12144758
>setupnigger STILL going
Keekkk

>>12144762
Is every post on /vp/ like this?

>>12144760
is every post on /vp/ like this?

>>12144759
It takes 10 turns to pass a substitute and agility 2 times?. Not to mention that's if you specifically want the flinch chance. You could pass a swords dance and now your doing more damage than you would with rockslide anyway.

>>12144767
Somehow worse..but similar in tone.

>>12144773
Let's be fair. Rhyhorn still isn't outspeeding shit unless you grind it up and you're dying in 1-2 hits from any special move.

>>12144778
just savestate every turn and reset for the flinch. see, rhyhorn's viable.

>>12144778
That still goes for rockslide Rhyhorn. Rhyhorn is a shitmon, stop pretending the make or break move for it is rockslide in-game.

>>12144782
>savestate
Well if you're cheating, there's no wonder you've never used Stomp. You probably just hack Rock Slide onto it anyway.