Thread 12133059

>Retro game series has no reason to return to these days
Can you think of a better example? I have no idea how some of you still unironically play the Wizardry series. It has aged incredibly poorly.

>>12133059 (OP)
>Weak bait thread

>>12133075
Its not bait I despise this series and want to be convinced otherwise as to why people like it

>>12133095
It focuses on the gameplay rather than endless pointless dialog and cutscenes.

>>12133059 (OP)
>aged poorly
It was born a turd.
Has as much gameplay as gambling simulators (makes sense because it's based on a dice game)

So wrong. It's actually astonishing how well the core gameplay of Wizardry has held up. The PS1 ports make 1-5 perfectly playable even today.

>>12133095
Why? I'm not playing a zero sum game to try and "convince" you of something you've obviously made up your mind regarding already.
Shit thread

"Retro game series has no reason to return to these days" is bizarre phrasing. It sounds like a newspaper headline about a game series that has gained consciousness and decided it has no reason to return to some poorly specified set of days. You got to proofread your stuff mang

>>12133059 (OP)
Persona 1 and 2 (with the ow the edge expansions)
Heroes games before III (II looks like shit, deal with it)
Might & Magic before 8
Biohazard before 4
Movie Game Slop (MGS till 3)

>>12133059 (OP)
It aged perfectly well unless you are trying to play 4

I like how straight to the point it is. You organize a team, head into the dungeon and then make your way through. If they die then another band of adventurers goes into the dungeon. The story telling is self-defined and emergent. It's also nice to see where it all started.

>>12133095
>Is not bait is just bait
Well, to ruin your day, Wizardy Variants Daphne exist and the 10 guys who love Wizardry enjoy it a lot

>>12133142
So because you can't argue and deny my point you are grasping at straws about my phrasing. About par for the course, people who cannot argue usually do stick to grammar and phrasing bs.

>>12133129
Because it doesn't say you can't change my mind anywhere. It says I want to be convinced otherwise maybe you will open my eyes. For context I've tried Wizardry 3 and 5.

>>12133370
>It says I want to be convinced
Then go play the games yourself, like actually play them, put some time in, and find what people enjoy out of them. Or are you the kind of worthless retard that needs to be told what to think.
Dog shit thread still

>>12133059 (OP)
Go play the dark spire if you're genuine. It's pretty much Wizardry on the DS.

>>12133372
>Or are you the kind of worthless retard that needs to be told what to think

But enough about people that like Wizardry

>>12133059 (OP)
Cool spritework

>>12133416
KWAB
This bitch got party wiped by a level 3 ninja and never touched a Wizardry game again.

>>12133370
>Because it doesn't say you can't change my mind
That's not what you want. You want to argue.

>>12133059 (OP)
Incredible art style. Which entry is this?

>>12133151
Nigga heroes 1 is objectively the best looking, and 2 at least looks better than 3. 3 has great gameplay but looks fucking horrible

>>12133460
And when the hell did I say that? In total I've probably played more turn based dungeon crawlers, JRPGs and CRPGs than you.

I specifically said I dislike Wizardry. You and a lot of other people in this thread are parrots who think they are intellectuals by repeating phrases and none of you have done a single thing to explain why Wizardry is good and worth going back to. About what I'd expect from /vr/

>>12133476
Because there's a lot of people that "love Wizardry" in this thread anon let the hater be the one to actually answer you: Wizardry V for PC-98

>>12133483
kek, thanks anon.
enjoy your debate.

>>12133491
Thanks, but there is no debate. Just a bunch of parrots here.

>>12133480
Sounds like you are fag that plays jrpgs for the waifus and le story, go read a visual novel weebo

>>12133495
You posted this thread here instead of /vrpg/ because you're a coward.

>>12133059 (OP)
The issue is that Wizardry was always a garbage series. Like genuinely the only reason it ever was popular is because it was one of like 5 games you could play on a home computer back then that was more than an extremely basic arcade game or platformer. It has always been shit and even the better later titles were absolutely devastated by any other title. I will give them credit for the sprite work and just artwork of the series in general, it's extremely well done and really was the only thing worth a damn in these games.
Now I will give some benefit of the doubt I have only played 3 wizardry titles (4,5,6) so maybe the others are somehow better but I doubt it.

My honest answer would be SSI gold box games, they were really fun for the time and they still are but they are eclipsed in almost every way by later RPGs and there's nothing really unique enough about them to make them stand out. They were generic as can be, well made but generic nonetheless.

>>12133503
I posted it here because that place is a damn barren wasteland. Was posting there a bit ago today and legit almost no new replies in the threads there.

I had more fun playing wizardry 1-2-3 on snes than other mainstream rpg.
Drawing a map on paper is part of the fun.

Without wizardry modern rpg will not exist.

I'l try the 4th wizardry this winter on my ps1.

If you like the genre i recommend
- "dragon crystal" on master system,
-"fatal labyrinth" on megadrive
- "bard's tale" on nes (a really long and grindingly roguelike)
- and the so cute and casual but incredible "cave noire" on gameboy.

>>12133553
The 4th one is really different, don't feel bad about skipping it if you don't like it

>>12133567
OP here, the 4th one is the most interesting one I have played (not finished) and have no idea why the first mention of it in this thread was an attack to it.
It felt like a very interesting precursor to games like Shin Megami Tensei.

>>12133573
> It felt like a very interesting precursor to games like Shin Megami Tensei.

It came out after Megami Tensei.

>>12133581
Wait really? As in after the games not the books it was based on?

>>12133608
You can check release dates on mobygames.
https://www.mobygames.com/game/10884/digital-devil-story-megami-tensei/
https://www.mobygames.com/game/1272/wizardry-the-return-of-werdna-the-fourth-scenario/

>>12133609
Damn yeah I was just checking before coming back here.
I do know that Megami Tensei was the precursor to SMT and all that and that they were based on the OG trilogy of books, but for some reason I seem to remember it being:

Megami Tensei (books) > Wizardry IV > Megami Tensei I

Basically I always thought Atlus were inspired by Wizardry IV when adapting Megami Tensei into a game. This is really interesting and has just placed Wizardry even lower in my mind. I need to play Megami Tensei 1 to see how it compares.

>>12133512
>The issue is that Wizardry was always a garbage series. Like genuinely the only reason it ever was popular is because it was one of like 5 games you could play on a home computer back then that was more than an extremely basic arcade game or platformer.

This is exactly how I feel anon. I am not denying their influence, I just do not see a good reason to go back except arguably if you really like the atmosphere which I will admit and do agree with you that the artwork in SOME of them can be pretty decent, like in the pic of my post of PC-98 Wizardry V.

>My honest answer would be SSI gold box games
Interesting pick lol, I haven't tried these yet but do see what you mean from the pictures.

>>12133059 (OP)
If it aged so poorly why are japanese people so obsessed with recreating it and failing at every turn?

>>12133639
All Japanese Wizardry games are better than the Darkshit trilogy

>>12133059 (OP)
What do you not like about Wizardry?

>>12133648
Maybe on planet retard.

>>12133667
Retards like no risk rest anywhere gay trekkie slop

>>12133664
i think he don't like it for the lack of scenario/ town npc and endless chatting / hours of fmv.

I mean...
Wizardry is a DUNGEON crawler, not a CITY crawler.

>>12133670
Retards like the same JRPG slop over and over again instead of something that branches out, expands, and does new things.

>>12133664
Not OP but for me they too archaic and are designed in a way that rewards grind and not strategy. Even from the start of rolling a character.

>>12133680
Retards think new thing must always be good despite being shit, if you want new things go play another thing, don't ruin already established thing.

>>12133763
Literally have never seen a dqfag or smtfag shit on wizardry

>>12133536
that place is just wrpgfags vs jrpgfags and occasionally juxtafag, it's so shitty. doesn't even allow action rpgs like castlevania either.

is Bard's Tale better than Wizardry

>>12134237
Depends which Wizardry

>>12133095
You ever played first edition D&D? You ever played a tabletop war game? Kinda the same thing.

Heavier focus on the combat rather than story-telling with the idea that you create a story as you go in your head. If you're not willing to come up with little stories of your characters around a campfire or imagine what kind of person your mage is, Wizardry isn't really for you. Its main focus is dungeon crawling and combat but with enough there that it also works as an engine for building stories about your characters too.

>>12134237
No.

>>12133059 (OP)
Games don't age; old games aren't "outdated".
Turn based combat isn't outdated.
Tank controls aren't outdated.
2-D games aren't outdated.
These are just different styles or mechanics you don't like because you are stupid.
Saying retarded shit like this is like saying "Boardgames are outdated, grandpa, we have videogames now!"
You just don't like these things, idiot. Big difference.

>>12133114
>focuses on the gameplay
>just spam attack
>maybe heal up sometimes
Such gameplay, wow.

>>12134934
No, you spam your damage spells. If you don't kill most enemies in the first combat round then they will kill you.

>>12134817
You're a moron I literally explicitly stated I play a ton of turn-based RPGs and are my preferred format for RPG combat, this has nothing to do with that.
I am saying Wizardry itself as a series has been severely outdone and I don't see how people can enjoy it after better and way more mechanically refined dungeon crawlers have come out.

Wizardry is fucking simple and braindead so no wonder you like it, you can't handle actual complex turn based RPGs.

>>12135042
>complex =/= good
Nah I don't think having to wait 5 turns just to walk over to that guy and try to hit him and miss is good combat. Simple can be better and is better than unnecessary complex all the time.

>>12135042
If you can't understand that Wizardry has good dungeon design and interesting challenges to overcome then you simply don't understand dungeon crawlers. That's it.

>>12135048
It is too much for your brain to handle, I get it.

>>12135082
What are these "interesting challenges"?

>>12135091
Bro moving your unit towards the other guy instead of just attacking its not super complex, it's just tedious and a waste of time.

Might & Magic is way better

>>12133095
>despise
Why, though?

>>12135201
Autism, unironically.

>>12133117
As long as you savescum, yes, because the original games were short-ish and mostly padded out with ridiculous RNG masochist shit.

>>12135215
Acceptable response.

>>12135223
>As long as you play like a pathetic little bitch and not someone who is immersed deeply into a dungeon, the series is fun
Wow, amazing games.

It's amazing that a game from 1980 can still generate this much seethe. Someone make an Ultima seethe thread next.

>>12135475
>attempts to disarm treasure chest
>oops wrong trap type was auto-guessed, teleported into a solid stone tile and your entire party deleted
Riveting gameplay

>>12135521
Now you have at least learned to never attempt to open chests on floors with solid walls.

>>12134817
This, basically.

>>12135521
Lol
He's still seeeeeeething

>>12135528
That's every floor except 8 in Wiz1, dipshit

>>12135521
You took that risk

>>12133095
>I want to be convinced otherwise
lol, what a bitch

>>12135515
>>12135551

>>12133059 (OP)
I still play this 2 player witha friend. It's as good now as it was then. OP is a turdy, all such posters are.
>>12133075
FPBP but also unaware of how primitive and incapable of appreciating old games turdie chinse emulator posters are

>>12136681
>>12136681
>I still play this 2 player witha friend. It's as good now as it was then.
Chaos Battle of Wizards ZX Spectruim 48K. Its great fun, give it a go.

>>12136671
It's beautiful

>>12135543
>>12135528
>>12135521
the only floors with solid rock are b8f and b10f

>>12135521
This happened to me in Wiz3 NES version.

Now mind you I had learnt my lesson and I was playing with the text speed set to slow so that you need to press a button to skip to the next bit of text, thus leaving infinite time to press reset if something truly bad like this happens.

Except that in the case of warping to stone there was an exception: the text didn't wait for a button press to end.

>>12138968
I honestly think Wizadry is much more enjoyable if you allow yourself to use savestates at the town, as if it was a more modern rpg.
Losing your 1 hour dungeoning progress is all right. Losing your whole party is not.