Thread 12145445

So what the fuck was the big deal? I remember playing this back when in released with all the hype shit and was like:
"So I'm playing a shitty butchered rpg instead of a good one just so I can see retards play the game too on the background?"
And never touched it again.

Lineage 2 was better

>>12145445 (OP)
another "OP wasn't alive to experience the game but needs to shitpost about it" thread. jannies, get on it

>still crying about WoW 20 years later
It was great. You just wouldn't get it.
>inb4 kid
had warrior epic on Rallos Zek server
was 600+ skill total in Ultima
quit them both for Vanilla WoW.
then quit WoW a few years later when TBC released, but damn those were a good few years.

I thought I was on the /v/ toddler board with a post like OP. Grow the fuck up already.

I was a level 29 twink shaman. That shit was fun.

>>12145476
>you weren't there
I was there, I just played more games before wow so I just saw a shitty rpg and I never got the appeal. The combat sucks, the gameplay sucks, the quests sucks. Genuinely didn't get it, was it all just bragging rights over who is the biggest time waster?
>>12145503
>still crying
First time ever making a thread about wow, just saw it on another thread and I'm genuinely curious what the fuck was the big deal.

>>12145541
What RPG in 2004 had better combat than WoW? Certainly not Morrowind kek.
In 2004 most RPGs still revolved around just standing in front of your enemy and spamming one or two buttons.

WoW combat was advanced as hell for what was out at the time, and it's a huge reason it blew up the way it did.

>>12145563
I wouldn't call Morrowind's combat good but it's a lot better than stand there pressing numbers looking at cool down icons

>>12145445 (OP)
WoW was always a dumbed down turbo casual game aimed at the lowest common denominator, thats what sells games now thats what sold games back then.

>>12145569
>stand there
But that's the thing. WoW was one of the first RPGs that promoted "kiting" as a core combat mechanic, and gave players the ability to really move freely while in combat.

Prior to WoW, RPG combat was really finicky. You had to do a sort of "stutter step" movement in order to move around while fighting.

It's a shame the system never took off for single player RPGs.

>>12145584
This board has 0 unique opinions kek. Bunch of drones.

>>12145569
it sounds like wow was just too much above your intellect level. the warrior class was one of the most mechanically involved classes especially in dungeons where you were constantly using a good portion of your skills.

it sounds like a mage casting frostbolt over and over is more appropriate for you.

>>12145445 (OP)
I always got the impression that WoW players had no life. They just grinded up big numbers and ERP'd with other fat 30yo men in chatrooms. I mean, imagine paying an annual subscription to play a game when the copy of Parasite Eve 2 you bought works now and forever.

>>12145710
>weeb poorfag owning the poorfag console with sour grapes
lol

>>12145445 (OP)
>retards play the game too on the background
Ah, so you're one of "those" people that play a multiplayer-focused game singleplayer. No surprise you never understood the appeal.

Might as well delete the thread. You've already embarrassed yourself enough

>>12145445 (OP)
>>12145541
>buys a massively multiplayer online game
>gets mad when it's not single player
were you born retarded or just raised that way?

>>12145710
based

>>12145612
>WoW was one of the first RPGs that promoted "kiting"
people had been kiting since bg1

i actually never tried wow because i hated rts games and didn't want to touch anything associated with warcraft. i played ragnarok online instead.

>>12145612
>you can move during combat
Yeah and it felt like shit, mixing real time and turn based has always been retarded, dedicate the game to one please.
>>12145693
>playing the game with the most boring class is good actually because you need to buff and heal to do shit
>>12145710
Pretty much the same impression I got except for the erp thing
>>12145751
Why does multi-player means it must play like shit? I played lots of enjoyable online multi-player games

>>12145816
again, it's very clear you weren't alive when the game came out as you can't speak in any sort of specifics but rather vague talking points you most likely got from a youtuber. sincerely kys

>>12145832
>if you didn't like it you just weren't there
Cope

>>12145816
>mixing real time and turn based has always been retarded
lmao wtf are you talking about?
Nothing about it is turn based.

>>12145842
>wait until you can attack again

>>12145852
Bro... You literally haven't played the game lmfao.
There is a ONE SECOND global cooldown, and you can use your instant abilities during that one second.
You're literally spamming your buttons so fast that it sounds like a fucking machine gun coming from your keyboard. Anyone who has ever heard a WoW player playing knows the keyboard sound In talking about.

Fuck outta here, LARPing faggot.

>>12145859
Not many spells / skill have a one second cool down, calm your titties manlet

I bought it on release as the people I was playing the first cod with migrated to it. I kinda enjoyed it but it did feel like I need to play it all the time to get my moneys worth from it. Plus they wanted to play at stupid hours like 7pm and that was prime skateboarding and hanging with friends time so I didn't really bother committing. Always felt like I needed no life to fully enjoy it

>>12145879
>doesn't know the difference between the global cooldown and a spell cooldown
lol lmao.
never played.
or played until level 5 and quit.

Also
>Not many spells / skill have a one second cool down
Every core ability was a literal 0 second cooldown (fireball/shadowbolt/smite/sinister strike/wrath/etcetcetc. And with ~30 other abilities, you always had multiple abilities ready to be used at any given time.

Never played.

>>12145892
Cry more manlet. There is still cooldown whether you like it or not

>>12145896
Yes, but nearly every RPG has cooldowns. My point is that the gameplay is not "turn based".
That's like saying a game like Dark Souls is turn based just because you have to wait in between weapon swings.

>>12145883
>Always felt like I needed no life to fully enjoy it
In a way you did. Specifically if you were trying to keep up with your friends, like you were. This is really the area where MMOs are the weakest. Everyone levels at different paces, but if you speed the leveling process up too much it feels less like an adventure.

Once you hit the higher levels it doesn't matter as much since you can group with max levels, but you still have to put in the hours to get there, which is like ~100.

>>12145916
Wow isn't an ARPG either it has that weird turn based real time combo where you don't need to aim anything and clicking an attack will make your people move to the enemy automatically, so it feels much like a turn based rpg (and relies on stats to determine whether your attack actually hits) maybe that's where the confusion is coming from

>>12145930
>you don't need to aim anything
You need to be facing your target
>clicking an attack will make your people move to the enemy automatically
You get a red error message saying "Out of range" and your character has a voiceline. You have to manually run to your targets.

Are you sure you didn't play Warcraft 3?

>>12145841
there's now multiple people telling you you haven't played the game, which you haven't. how starved of attention are you? you just bored until your next wal-mart shift?

>ok everyone put your cloaks on, if you don't have a cloak, hide behind the throne, I'm starting


It's the best multiplayer PvE boss experience ever made, there's nothing quite like it

>>12145896
Cooldown isn't turn based, you retard. By your logic literally ever game in existence is turn based because you have to wait before you can do something.

>>12145450
delulu boomer take no cap

>>12146207
You're a PvE player, don't talk to me

>>12145710
You had to be there man, it stills hold ups - man who cant let go of the past and acknowledge that their game is noe an anticuated piece of media, only worth revisiting but not longer keep paying for more than 20 years

>>12145612
>kek
Back to 2014

>>12148108
Thanks for your input on the topic, Dave.

>>12145445 (OP)
I didn’t play WoW when it released because back then I thought a monthly subscription was retarded, but I was still definitely curious about it.

I played it in 2019 for the first time when Classic released and I was absolutely blown away by it. It’s a genuinely amazing game— world PvP and being able to fuck people’s factions over by murdering NPCs was so awesome. From what I understand the current retail version of it is a hollow shell of its former self, but I can definitely appreciate now why people loved it when it was released. I have a ton of nostalgia for when I got to play it back then. Leveling my character from 1-60 while following a guide and listening to audiobooks was one of the most enjoyable vidya experiences I’ve ever had.

I finally bit the bullet and got onto a 1.12 pserver called Ashen WoW. Not bad.

>>12148124
I first played it halfway into the first expansions release, then into Wrath, then into Cataclysm, and by that time it was a mostly mindless blur of dungeon queing and straightforward questing. Had a lot of fun leveling on Classic once it was first out, questing around the zones felt less mindless, I was a solo warrior so I enjoyed how careful I'd have to be. I just don't really care much for the MMO experience so I wish there was always an offline, solo-catered experience.
>private solo server with instance scaling, simulated AH, bots if needed
oh there we go.

>>12145445 (OP)
>So what the fuck was the big dea-
FROSTSHOCK!!

>>12148106
What

>>12145730
>if you don't rent your games you are poor
>owning your games outright means you are poor
KEK

>>12145445 (OP)
People had fun because they were young and doing something with their friends, and they think it was because of the game and not in spite of it.

>>12149930
I played WoW back in the day with 0 friends

on the contrary, WoW gave the closest feeling to having a friend which I never had before or ever after

>>12150020
>on the contrary, WoW gave the closest feeling to having a friend which I never had before or ever after
It's funny how you are proving him right when you think you are proving him wrong.

>>12150026
try reading again but slowly, maybe that helps

>>12150065
I did. It's that you don't understand what you wrote.

>>12150206
>even if you were old and lonely, wow wasn't fun because it was a good game. The answer is always: it was fun because of some other reason that doesn't have anything to do with WoW
I think I'm onto you.

>>12145445 (OP)
There was no codified method in which an MMO was made at the time, for the most part the formula for every game had been made by the early 2000's. Warcraft set a bar for expectation, it made MMO's more accessible (casual) but also improved what were the better aspects of MMO's and tweaked the slog of them all.

Read The WoW Diary, it tells a lot about WoW and why it was such a success.

WoW was heavily tested in public before release, and so by the time the game released it had a full enough for an mmo playerbase.

>>12145730
I've never heard PS1 horror games get called weeb before

>>12149921
you were complaining about the subscription, that makes you poor. not only are you poor, you're retarded with compromised memory. are you vaxxed by any chance?

>>12150934
>you were complaining about the subscription
Should Parasite Eve 2 have had a subscription?

>>12150934
Retards like you and the retards that bought the horse armor ruined gaming

>>12150934
>that makes you poor
No, that makes him financially savvy. It is literally retarded to pay $180 to play one game for a year.

>>12150980
>retarded to pay for the thing that has become the most exciting aspect of your day-to-day life
Next you’ll tell me that paying for food is retarded when you can just steal sandwiches from the grocery store

>>12150980
>It is literally retarded to pay $180 to play one game for a year.
As well as paid expansions. Draw out gametime with weekly resets and other grind and you've got a recipe for money-blinding success.

>>12150980
>financially savvy
euphemism poors use to cope

>>12150961
should apples be oranges? they're completely different games. what a stupid remark to make.

>>12151007
Only the powerless would play an MMO, where time must be sunk to maintain the social aspect. Anyone of stature and taste would value their time too much.

>>12150934
Subscriptions are literally made to exploit poorfags you retard. Poorfags do not have a lot of short-term disposable income, so instead of selling a game to them for $60 upfront, they sell it to them for $15 a month...12 months a year. Rent costs more in the long-term, yet rent remains profitable because poorfags don't have a choice. You see the same shit in housing too.

WoW tards are the reason we live in subscription hell right now

>>12145584
Uhh it was just an improvement over the Everquest model just without "you died so you lost 5 hours of exp grinding unless you can get a max level cleric to give you an exp res in the middle of nowhere"

>>12151000
What a waste of trips. The proper comparison would be it's retarded to order takeout and pay exponentially more for food you could cook at home.

>>12151114
Poorfags usually don't have the credit to get desirable financing, not because they don't have the money. Mortgages can sometimes be cheaper than rent. Maintenance is where poorfags lose out over time, too.

>>12151209
How on earth is that a better comparison? The implication here that you can “cook the same food yourself” is bullshit. What you pay for is the service, convenience, and time saved. Whether you think that’s worth it or not has little to do with whether or not it is “retarded”.

>>12151238
That even makes less sense because a mmo has way less convenience and polish than a normal game

you're poor is the lowest form of cope

we get it retard, youre just sore you missed out on the greatest mmo ever made

>>12151304
>implying
I played and it sucked compared to actual games with good gameplay

>actual game
>good gameplay
generic npc phrases getting tossed out left and right. hating things doesn't make you interesting, boy.

>>12151290
I’m having a hard time imagining what logic it is that you’re using for this argument. It stands to reason that a game that receives frequent updates based on community feedback will likely have more polish.

>normal game
Such as?

>>12151336
Every game that doesn't requires a subscription and obligatory internet connection

>>12151114
i've never been poor and i paid for a wow subscription. checkmate gaytheists

you had to be there
if you were there and still don't get it, you're soulless and I don't even consider you human

>>12151370
What's the deal with that onions as fuck image?

>>12151373
it's pretty self explanatory

Swamp of Sorrows...home...

>>12151238
>Whether you think that’s worth it or not has little to do with whether or not it is “retarded”.
That has everything to do with whether or not someone or something is retarded, retard. WoW isn't special. It's just a game amongst a sea of games and a game is just another thing to do amongst a sea of activities and on and on. If you truly believe shelling out $180 a year for a game is peak vidya and financially sound, then you are in fact retarded. That year turns into another and soon enough you're $1,800+ deep into a dead end investment. Subscribing to WoW isn't going to get you anything but a huge, parasitic time sink. You could enjoy just about anything else just as much as WoW. It's just how our brains and bodies work and that's why paying for a video game sub is retarded.

>>12151347
You are using that internet connection for a multitude of other things. Plenty of other games to play that are free or only a few bucks up front, yet are still well maintained.

Honestly I respect gacha players and fortnite kids more, at least they don't pay per month JUST to play the game

>>12145925
Yeah I did enjoy it to a degree but the cheapo in me felt like I should be playing all the time to get the most out of it. It might have helped if I logged on at the same time as my online friends but as I said before, I was more interested in skating and hanging with my real life friends at the time. I do get how well loved the game is, I remember hearing about a Korean couple who left their 4 month at home to go play it at an Internet cafe, got hooked and came home later to find the kid had suffocated. Probably not the only kid who died because of their idiot parents and that game

>>12145450
I had WoW friends who quit and played L2.

EVE is better than WoW

>>12151390
Lost my level 40 hardcore character here because I blinked through the fucking floor above whatever dungeon is in the area.

>>12152578
>whatever dungeon is in the area.
Did you not level before hardcore? Everyone gets a Sunken Temple quest at 50.

>>12145445 (OP)
People genuinely thought they were going to be entering another world of fantasy, that was what people were envisioning when they bought this shit. If you asked them to think about it realistically they wouldn't be that deluded, but subconsciously that's what the dream was. Also you used to go in with your rl friends. Then you play one for a month and the dream is dead and it becomes ICQ for most people and they quit in a few more months, leaving a residue of the kind of people that like what they actually are and are still playing them.

>>12152607
Barely played the game as an alt-o-holic child because of sub fee, never made it past the low 20's.

>>12152632
you are mentally ill, lol.

>>12151373
roasties fishing for younger twink dick

>>12145476
>jannies, get on it
holy boomer, I've never seen more bootlicking in one post. /vr/ really has the boomerest boomers of all of 4chan

>>12151390
i have some kind of tiny ptsd from crocolisks hissing while I pass them

>>12152718
Extremely gay post anon, what's wrong with you, you know where to go

>>12145612
I was there. Played WoW ever since the Korean beta (even though I was from yurop). You needed a some sort of a Korean social security number to make an account, somebody leaked a massive list of such numbers which often pointed to a person already dead somehow playing the game.
Anyway. Early WoW, so Vanilla, was all about the community. Datamining was absent, in its place there were information aggregators such as Thottbot that you could rely on for many things, especially quests which pointed you to a wrong direction (or were otherwise not well designed). So, mods began to sprout - mods that showed you where the quest area is etc. First meter that was created wasn't meant to track damage, it was more about tracking your Aggro levels in order for the mob to not switch its target to you from the tank.
The early WoW levelling even up to raiding later on was fucking hard, no joke. Elite enemies actually meant you ain't killing that fucker on your one. There were also unique spawns on different time counters which often carried unique equipment - or just were a dream pet for Hunters.
There's just so many things about early WoW, you can't just put them all in a single post (or two). It's a whole book of experiences. Also, WoW was "especially special" for people like me, who previously played Diablo II and WCIII+Frozen Throne and saw the rise of the custom games era, starting in Reign of Chaos, but truly blossoming in The Frozen Throne due to expanded Map Editor capabilities which were unheard of any game - of this type - at the time. So I was a Warcraft lore lover kid as well and couldn't wait to play one of many classes in massive fucking world which was crafted by hand, none of this random AI shit you just fix a bit later on. It was big and WoW deserved to get big. It had the buildup to its release and actually delivered what people hoped for.

>>12145445 (OP)
For me it marked the death of blizzard, formerly one of the most assured producers brilliance in video gaming and the start of the dark ages of gaming.

if you delete z**mer revisionism from this thread it'd hardly contain 10+ posts

>>12152774
I feel Blizzard devs still worked hard to make the game better, fix problems, bugs and introduce new content all the way until the release of The Burning Crusade.
Devs actually SPOKE with people on the official WoW forum. This way many grievances or good ideas were fixed/implemented. The major point I'm making - PATCHES in Vanilla are currently nearly EQUIVALENT in content, or rather, usefulness and fun factor to the current WoW expansions which fell to the point, where, what previously was meant to be a single expansion, was broken into four "chapter expansions" at full fucking price each, saar. The economy? It's all about chinkbots farming gold en masse, people using gold to trade it for tokens which apparently are used instead of paying subscription. So it's meant to keep you playing as an addict and if you do so, you get a token allowing you to play even longer!
But, I won't comment further on current state of WoW, it's just some perverted, inverted version of a game that was once great, with a community which managed to bring together people over 25 and kids like 14 yo working together towards a single goal and - having systems in place which made sure we were all treated equal, age having no meaning (unless you were a retard, but then you were quickly /gkick'ed. While at max level, when our guild was preparing for an evening 40 man raid, we used to prepare - farming gold to buy flasks, making food which gave buffs to the entire raid, paladins buying tokens to cast their various blessings over the entire party inside the raid, warlocks getting enough soulshards for stuff like putting a Soulstone on the main healer, so that he could revive himself either in a wipe case (to avoid corpse runs) or if he got unluckily hit by some boss mechanic, but otherwise the raid was good. Etc, etc... back then, paladin was a class restricted to the Alliance and Shaman to the Horde faction, respectively. Questions about why Tauren can't be rogues...

>>12152774
Also, may I add, the death of Blizzard was caused by basically a hostile takeover by Activision. Bobby Kotick, the CEO of Activision at the time saw the potential around WoW and wanted potential Blizzard bucks to line his pockets. It was ostensibly a "merge" but actually, people who were with Blizzard for years, many from the beginning were either forced to quit, quit on their own or fired, their place taken up by Bobbies' Activision friends. This is the point and the Prime Reason why Blizzard ended up a hollowed out shell where people obviously mentally disturbed - and unfit for the job - are put in managerial, artistic and writing positions. Imagine hiring people who don't play games and hate games to "make games" (only the code monkeys were guys, the rest was often replaced by females who obviously got there by doing favors, not because of merit). This merger is when Blizzard basically got cancer which couldn't be healed, that slowly destroyed the studio.
It saddens me to this way. Just what games would Blizzard make without interference? What if Blizzard North was allowed to continue operations on Diablo III, an "actual" Diablo game.
Who knows. I think that destruction of Blizzard will be written down in history as one of the greatest losses to gaming.

>>12152774
Blizzard even at its absolute best was just high production value ripoffs of genres and settings other people created. They have never been worth jerking off.

>>12152718
>It's not my fault, the sub fee made me do it

>>12153140
Oh please. Everything's a rip off of a rip off ad infinum. Blizz made great games. Hands down one of the best western game studios.

>>12149930
But they didn't play with their friends. They quit hanging out with their IRL friends because they had to constantly partake in Raids or they would be kicked out of their guild.

>>12153279
sorry you didn't play with your irl friends anon

as a kid playing this was like a full body orgasm. some of my most vivid memories take place in this shitty game, just random places and I have a perfect map of the entire world and can virtually play it in my head. It was amazing and designed to be as addictive and attractive as possible.

>>12153340
You and a crackhead sucking dick on the street are two sides of the same coin

>>12153259
Warcraft ripping off Dune 2 and Warhammer was like Russian shovelware dev tier shameless. Diablo to roguelikes, Starcraft to 40k, WoW to Everquest. They were so overt I guess it just seemed too obvious to comment, so somehow fanboys stopped letting it be a point of criticism

>>12153625
except they made good games out of repurposing existing IPs which resulted in (You) seething, and ziggers didn't do that

>>12153461
>crackhead sucking dick on the street
some of them were doing that for subscription money too

>>12153791
>sex for WoWshit
There's parts of the old internet I don't miss.

>>12153813
weird part is that flying mounts killed world pvp and was the true start of the degradation of the game

>>12145584
>>12151176
Without accounting for raid content, WoW generally had a higher skill ceiling than Everquest, but a much lower skill floor.
EQ would pretty ruthlessly filter anyone who couldn't at least master a handful of fundamental skills (group cooperation or soloing mechanics). Minor mistakes in EQ could (and often would) lead to brutal consequences, not just for yourself but for anyone playing with you. But once you got over that hump, the game wasn't that all that hard. (And it was downright easy if you stuck to outdoor grinding zones). But also, it was harder to push the envelope in EQ. Controlling for gear, there just wasn't a big difference between an average player and a good one under most circumstances, especially if you weren't in one of the very few skill roles (puller, crowd control).

WoW was much more forgiving. So long as you weren't aggressively retarded or comatose and had a basic understanding of how to use your class abilities against enemies, you could prevail over average dungeon content. But players who actually knew how to work together and coordinate effective use of abilities would be dramatically more effective than the average group of morons. During the early classic era, it was always easy to distinguish players from other MMOs (EQ, DAoC, Asheron's Call, FFXI), from the battle.net zerglings.

>>12148862
Such a gorgeous game holy shit.

>>12145445 (OP)
This was extremely fun with friends. Sorry about your failed social life OP

>>12152763
>>12152818
Back in 2005, we had shitty private servers of WoW that barely even worked, with 3/4 of the world empty and all that, no proper combat system, a tiny amount of quests, etc.
And EVEN at that state we were all amazed. I was so much so it made me, an underage to scheme into creating a bank account and getting a credit card by using my relative's id (underages weren't allowed to at the time in my shithole) just to be able to witness the official server and see how it all should work.
The moment I logged in I felt like tony montana jumping frpm a banana boat

>>12153823
>weird part is that flying mounts killed world pvp and was the true start of the degradation of the game
There was some fun novelty at first, kind of similar to noclipping through levels into places you shouldn't get, but in the end I didn't like them.
Did TBC degrade a lot? The dungeons from then on all felt easier to navigate: Straightforward, linear, harder to get lost in. Some original instances felt like that but not all.
>>12154340
>Such a gorgeous game holy shit.
One of its biggest pulls, a very timeless look overall.

everyone I met in real life was into it and I barely could talk at that time. Thank you mom for giving me a way to escape the real world

>>12155632
One-shotting an autistic kraut using WoW in 2005 was probably the single worst thing your mother could‘ve done to you long-term

>>12155653
But instead WoW lives in your head for 20 years

>>12155653
dont call my mom kraut. we are turks and she is a great mom

I started playing it Dec '04. Going from 56k to adventuring with real people in WoW in the span of 3 years was somethin', I tell you hwhat.
Every other MMO I've played has had jankier controls and/or UI in comparison.
I sucked at it, I refused to look anything up (escapism maxxer), and I had a great time.

>>12145445 (OP)
People would use it as social media, before social media was a thing. That doesn't account for everyone but many were only playing for the social aspect, which they no longer need an MMORPG to experience.

>>12145445 (OP)
One of the most addicting social engineered games to keep a gamer perpetually stuck to it, giving money, time and effort away all for the likes of "progression" or the appearance like you're progressing towards something when in reality it is never ending (almost).

Never have I had a game draw me in so hard and never will there be another one that does. I have played and (lost?) a lot of time because of this game, 20 years to be exact. Its funny how ever since I stopped playing WoW and MMO's I was able to finish hundreds of single player games which are equally as fun if not more fun however they don't contain that "nerd" factor. Quite possibly the most toxic video game ever invented, it is both a glory and a disaster depending on how you see it.

>>12153746
exactly kek
As someone who played Everquest from early Kunark to Planes of Power, WoW did a fantastic job of identifying EQ's flaws and solving them.
>>12152836
>Also, may I add, the death of Blizzard was caused by basically a hostile takeover by Activision.
Correct.
Although it's very possible that Blizzard had peaked anyway and would have begun declining no matter what.

>>12153746
go back pidor

>>12145445 (OP)
MMO'w have never been designed to he video games, even the original Ultima Online wasn't designed as an epic game for gamers but just a way to make money. They are quite simply made not so you can have fun with friends but they are made to get you addicted and keep you playing as long as possible. This is why everything is designed to take forever and be annoying.
Private servers are the way to go and always have been if you want to actually enjoy the game. Only addicts and retards pay a monthly subscription to play a video game.

>>12153625
And Warhammer ripping off Lord of the Rings is shameless. You really want to play that game nigger?

>>12146189
>PvE boss experience
This end content bullshit killed mmorpgs, world pvpve and interacting with extrangers is where was at

>>12156014
vanilla had all and well alive until TBC ruined it especially with arenas

WoW is a big seamless open world that you can play with hundreds of people at the same time and not only does it not lag like fucking shit it's actually really fluid and responsive.

Even by modern MMO standards it's still incredibly impressive for that. Go play some trash like XIV or Runescape, and I mean really play it and pay attention to what it feels like to play, and you'll see why people like WoW, and then remember that WoW figured this shit out in fucking 2004.

>>12145693
Bro what? At most you could argue about stance dancing but that’s 2-3 extra keybinds at most.

>>12151212
>Poorfags usually don't have the credit to get desirable financing
Do they not have debit cards in America?

>>12157546
If the player puts their hand on the home row, then they have easy access to 1-5, q-t, a-g, z-b and all of those in combination with shift and alt. That's 60 keybinds accessible by one hand, ranging from instant press to damn near instant press. Nobody has to be skilled to load up their action bars with keybinds and have damn near instant access to all their abilities. Also, you usually have at least three extra, bindable buttons on your mouse, too.

>>12157692
>financing
>debit cards
>America
The current state of foreigners is baffling. Retro videogames.

>>12145476
Pretty much.

>>12148106
ESL

>>12148862
I quit during TBC, vanilla was the best social game ever made.

>>12161150
>vanilla was the best social game ever made.
Amen to that brother...

>>12145445 (OP)
the only online game worthy of being called good in my opinion (still unsure about ff11, need to play more). wow's artstyle (classic vanilla/tbc type, not 2025 slop) is truly legendary, its soundtrack too, almost as good as the best retro game vgm. a special game that may work offline on a self hosted server, if following the "officiel" rules.

>>12157985
In Australia you can pay for all your subscriptions with a debit card lol

>>12151114
WoW did both, retard. You had to buy the game up front and then pay the monthly subscription to access the servers.
At the time, MMOs offered a level of professional service other games didn't.

>>12161754
>a level of professional service
Now say it without the Steve Jobs press conference jargon.

>>12151390
I liked every area that was off the "beaten path". The areas that are featured in whatever "get to level X in 24 hours!" guides exist are always full of retards and losers. Just like in real life, the best places are where morons don't exist.

>>12161729
>a special game that may work offline on a self hosted server, if following the "officiel" rules.
Arguably no longer playing the game called "World of Warcraft" but it's still pretty fun. Lots of scripts/mods to mess around with, too.

>>12161736
>in australia
Thieves, murderers and liars, the lot of you!

>>12161754
Once the ball was rolling the game was free and all you had to do was buy the sub and any expansions you wanted.

>>12161770
>I liked every area that was off the "beaten path".
that's why i loved sorrows. you could just chill and level and not have to worry about alliance scum in the area because they couldn't easily get there.

>>12161901
>alliance scum
My one exception was STV. I am not sure what Alliance quests took place there, but I enjoyed questing there because I could hunt them down in the forests like the animals they were, even though the place was highly populated. But yeah, Sorrows is very underappreciated. Cool dungeon, too.

Humans or Undead were the best way to play, Eastern Kingdoms rocked. So much soul. Burning Crusade ruined the game.

>>12145445 (OP)
Predates social media. 40 man raids. Instances. Cosmetics. Pets. Guilds. PvP. Based off existing IP most PC gamers already loved. Came at the same time as high speed internet. Perfect time capsule of history.

bumping because of the sega faggot spammer

>>12161780
>>12161729
I've anyways been curious about dealing WoW into warcraft 3. You could probably make something pretty cool. A single player experience like rexxar maybe using one of the more fleshed out of races in wow. I think the human storyline is probably the best pick for that.
>>12162095
Always thought of doing a 1 continent playthrough. The goal being a naxx clear.. Honestly for undead I wonder if you can just stay exclusively in Northern EK and never cross thandol.
>>12162113
I seriously wish online culture could recover. wow is too solved and the people who play it now just aren't good. At this point I'm more interested in a single player experience

>>12155862
This, fuck MMOs

>>12145563
unpopular opinion, but Wildstar

>>12162321
>I've anyways been curious about dealing WoW into warcraft 3. You could probably make something pretty cool. A single player experience like rexxar maybe using one of the more fleshed out of races in wow. I think the human storyline is probably the best pick for that.
WC3’s World Editor is robust enough to allow something like that, and there’s already plenty of unsurprising crossover in terms of gameplay.
>>12162473
That’s well past 2004 so there wasn’t much competition at the time, though the year after would birth Guild Wars in ‘05 which had some seriously satisfying RPG combat.

>>12145445 (OP)
Typical experience of a friendless loser. Sorry bud.

>>12145541
You weren't there.

>>12151370
TOO RELATABLE, I met this bitch who was couch surfing and mooching off people and didn't want to get a job, and despite me being 14 or 15, and she was a decade older, she was eager to unload all her stupid relationshit issues on me.
The worst part is I had a crush on her because girl play video game = HOT!!!!! and she loved to imply we'd get together
Holy fuck she's probably in a ditch somewhere i hope.
She also pushed me to be gay for some reason.

>>12153813
>Nelf
of course

>>12162095
>Burning Crusde ruined the game
How so? Other than depopulating most areas in the rest of the game, I thought it was pretty similar to vanilla.

>>12163470
Max levels would just afk in shatt instead of being in IF or Org. Flying mounts. Both of those ruined wpvp and the social aspects

>>12163813
NTA but I thought that was an advantage. They had high-level places to grind stuff or be AFK at, and they were totally separated from Azeroth areas, so everyone in the old world could just do what they wanted. Much better than being corpse-camped by players 40 levels higher because they're bored and have nothing to do at 60, or one-shotting you and then re-mounting while on their way to some dungeon.

>>12163453
>The worst part is I had a crush on her because girl play video game = HOT!!!!! and she loved to imply we'd get together
I'm really glad my best friend as a kid had an older sister who was a disgusting hambeast that played WoW and drew pictures of horses all day instead of bathing or cleaning her room. It basically inoculated me against gamer girls because I just imagine women like her at a computer desk any time some bitch in a game tells me a girl expecting a pussy pass for it.

That said she was actually pretty good at the game. She mained a resto/feral druid and I remember she had a War Bear.

>>12163470
>Other than depopulating most areas in the rest of the game
I'd quit wow long before TBC, but that is definitely the way extinguish the magical "alternate virtual world" aspect of an MMO. That's basically what Planes of Power did for EQ. Normal fans don't realize anything has gone wrong because they're so busy having fun consuming the new content and earning new rewards (or getting some relief from the fact that PvP in a level-grinding MMO mixes like dogshit and water). But the experience has fundamentally transformed.
>>12145768
He said "promoted it."
In many other games (BG1 is a good example) kiting is clearly not the intended way to play.
And in some, like Dungeon Master, the "kiting" aka the "combat waltz" is retarded,

>>12163470
>gave each side the other's unique class, ruining what uniqueness they had
>removed 40 man raids because people complained tHeY wErE tOo HaRd
>ruined wpvp with flying mounts

>I thought it was pretty similar to vanilla.
the OG dev team had much of TBC finished when vanilla launched which is why they feel so similar. but then shortly after vanilla launched most of the team was laid off. it's why wrath feels so different from what came before.

>>12164684
oh also forgot
>butchered lore by making draenei gigachads instead of the pathetic little midges they were in warcraft 3
>made blood elves horde because...uh...just shut up okay!?!?

>>12145445 (OP)
MMO before WoW were brutal time-sinks, Blizzard made a game you could finish in a month, sprint or year, casually. Then play immediately again with many other character classes. All fun. PvP was good spice, balance so-so.

Very smart compared to the slower, poorer attempts as competitors.

Arguing with success, "I don't get it?" means you are not mainstream. Good or bad up to you. People met and later got married after playing together in WoW. Not just in game but in life. Beat that other games?

Gnomes just don't make any sense as a playable race in this game.
I dislike how they compromised the lore and world
But its still an amazing game
It should be taken away from its community and its company for its own good

>>12164392
>kiting is clearly not the intended way to play
NTA, but that is simply not true. If that were true they would've gone full turn based, but they didn't.

>>12163984
>It's better they removed world pvp
Sure thing, chief.

>>12145445 (OP)
You wouldn't understand

>>12155696
It sure was fucking boring to be engineered to be addictive. Normal humans checked out after a month or two.

>>12145445 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEpv7YxnLCQ
You just don't get it.

>>12164902
>If that were true they would've gone full turn based, but they didn't.
What a completely retarded, binary-brain thing to say, as if the only tactic enabled by simultaneous movement is kiting.

>>12164392
>kiting is clearly not the intended way to play
>And in some, like Dungeon Master, the "kiting" aka the "combat waltz" is retarded,
So what you mean is "acknowledged it", players invent tactics as informed by game design and over years devs catch up. Kiting is old as dirt, as is pulling, dating back to actual warfare. Any game, like life, promotes tactics by its design and intention matters little.

>>12165178
>It sure was fucking boring
No, it wasn't boring at first. That's part of the problem.
Almost any game will become boring after a few thousand hours playing it.
I had a lot of fun for the 3-4 months I played (made it to level 45 I think).
>>12164702
>Arguing with success, "I don't get it?" means you are not mainstream
It means you aren't an analytical thinker. Most people aren't. Most people "don't get" things because they don't know how to apply themselves and learn things that weren't immediate obvious at first glance.
It's ironic how often people frame criticism as "I can't understand <why people like this thing I feel sucks>" when most often it's just a true statement and they are too stupid and lazy to understand.

>>12165327
You're retarded and don't understand game design or analysis at all. Your mentality prevents you from understanding differences that matter.

>>12165330
What an odd reply. Sperg?

>>12145445 (OP)
The big deal WAS being able to play with other players in dungeons/pvp/raids/quests and all the other random fun shit that happens when you play an mmo with thousands of other people.

Also the world was fucking huge, to this day the classic wow is the biggest most diverse game ever made, no other games world even comes close, and every zone has it's own unique vibe about it, the level of work that went into wow was fucking insane, literally superhuman level of achievement making that many quests and zones in 1 game.

I never understood retards like you that get pissy about having to play with other people or that wow wasn't warcraft 4 or you played wow and had a big sook about "where arthas waahhh"

>>12145541
You sound like a bitch that never made it out of elwynn forest, you know what combat sucks, rts combat, I never saw the appeal of the warcraft games myself, gay as fk games, and so are arthas fanboys, were the warcraft games actually good or do you just love sucking arthas cock?

You're basically the same as star wars boomers getting pissy at the prequels because after waiting 20 years of building up their own expectations they didn't get exactly what they wanted, even tho the movies are today beloved by many.

>>12165314
>simultaneous movement
It's called real time, ya fucken retard. And yes, kiting is one of the biggest differences between TB and RT.

>>12165330
>I'm right and you're wrong because you're dumb
You still haven't provided any actual evidence the devs of the IE did not "intend" for players to be able to kite, nor have you even attempted to explain why that's important.

>>12165593
>And yes, kiting is one of the biggest differences between TB and RT.
Depends on the “turn based game”. You can start Fallout and keep “outrunning” enemies to where they never have enough AP to attack you in melee range, all while you’re poking them with your own attacks.

>>12165593
>>12165602
>You still haven't provided any actual evidence the devs of the IE did not "intend" for players to be able to kite
You haven't provided any evidence of anything, period, dipshit.
- The main piece of braindead obvious evidence is that when you move a unit backwards, away from the target, your attacks stop. You cannot walk backwards while shooting. You have to reposition further away then select the target again to attack.
- Most spells that debilitate enemy movement, stop them entirely, usually within a specific radius. So it's usually far more effective to stand and shoot from the perimeter of a killzone rather than run around like a fairy from enemies that move the same speed you do.
- Fog of War mechanics discourage long distance engagements.

>>12165664
>when you move a unit backwards, away from the target, your attacks stop
Yes, hit and run is kiting.
>You have to reposition further away then select the target again to attack.
Yes, extra micro is still kiting.
>Most spells that debilitate enemy movement, stop them entirely
Because the spells are based on D&D. Slow can be used even in tabletop to kite, though stumpy dwarves are disadvantaged.
>Fog of War mechanics discourage long distance engagements
They also encourage falling back into cleared space. Scouting is for sure encouraged by it as well.

I'd agree that MMO characteristics,cooldowns and autoattacks and large areas, aid in making kiting a go to tactic.

>>12164684
Right, I forgot about the classes thing. It never made sense to me that horde should have paladins.
>40-man raids
I always thought the hardest part was getting forty people together in the first place.
>wrath
That’s when I stopped liking and playing the game, funny enough. The storyline actually sucked, and death knights were actually not very fun or interesting to me.

>>12165684
See, I was correct to call you retarded. I provided evidence, and instead of responding to the original point like a person with a brain, you just rail on an irrelevant straw man.

>>12166336
Upper vagrant lets arrow down calf leftwards washcloth.

>>12165785
wrath from a purely gameplay perspective was the most dogshit version of wow to ever exist, a game so watered down and casual catering that even the most brain dead retards blew through everything with ease, lfg, faceroll dungeons where the tank was a one man army killing everything, faceroll mobs, every class an unkillable god that can destroy 20 mobs like some korean mmo, completely redundant world, loot corridor "dungeons", loot pinata bosses, welfare epics given out to everyone, everyone just afkd in dalaran because there was nothing to do, dogshit pvp, bosses had stupid intermissions where u sat around doing nothing, gay as fuck cutscenes, some weird obsession with fucking vehicle quests, first raid was a re-release of naxx and a complete fucking joke because for some reason the lvl 60 naxx had more hp and did more damage than the lvl 80 naxx?

Wrath fucking sucked and the only reason its remembered fondly is because arthas fan boys cant stop sucking arthas cock for 1 minute to realize how shit the game was

Warcraft is annoying. It has interesting stuff on the surface but the second you dive into the lore you're just disappointed. The explanations for different things will leave you annoyed and unsatisfied. And that's when you can find explanations

>>12165664
Kiting has nothing to do with whether or not you have to stop to shoot, anon. By your logic mages can't kite in WoW if they use spells with cast times because they have to stop to cast them, which is entirely bullshit and nobody would hear it because mages can obviously kite. Hunters have to stop to shoot, too, yet they can kite. Kiting in the IE is not unlike kiting in a game like League of Legends. You run, turn around, shoot and then run away. Rinse, repeat. In fact, that's just how kiting works in any game. Build yourself an archer in BG2 and tell me he wasn't intended to run & gun. Haste is ridiculous in that game. Attacks that land even debilitate movement, which enables kiting. The vision range has little impact on kiting. There is plenty a player can do, especially with pause. What spells are like has nothing to do with whether or not the game's engine can accommodate kiting. Kiting is such a universal activity that I think you'd be hard pressed to find a real time game that can't accommodate it.

>>12166694
Nothing you said was a lie. I play it on and off on Warmane but it's truly flawed. Vanilla was something special, lightning in a bottle.

>>12165386
>you know what combat sucks, rts combat, I never saw the appeal of the warcraft games myself, gay as fk games
Why are you so angry? I completely agree with you, rts combat sucks and I never got the appeal of RTS over turn BASED strategy games.

I would rather play AoW or Civ than any Warcraft game.

>>12166840
I can't get into those. Why make me feel bad for liking warcraft?

>>12166861
It's fine if you like rts games like warcraft and aoe I prefer turn based strategy where I know what every single one of my units is doing though. Don't like the auto battle feel rts have, I would rather do every action myself.