Thread 12147203

What is better? Pokemon Crystal or HG/SS?

Which do you prefer?
Which would you recommend?

>Pokemon
>>>/vp/
>HG/SS
Not retro >>>/v/

Stop making fucking pokemon threads, /vp/edophile.

>>12147209
>>12147225
I don't actually use /vp/
I thought about posting there but I saw a Gardevoir thread with like 200 replies and realized it was not the board for me

>>12147203 (OP)
Silver

>>12147203 (OP)
Johto is a magnet for unfiltered autism. The fans and detractors are some of the most dedicated shitposters I've ever seen. Keep them in their containment board >>>/vp/ where they belong.

>>12147209
remakes of retro games are allowed. talking about videogames are also allowed. discussing an rpg is not off topic even though /vrpg/ exists. stop being a faggot backseat janny tranny.

OP to answer your question, storm silver and heart gold rom hacks. vanilla versions of both are too heavily flawed. that hack isnt perfect either but its the best you can do.

>>12147203 (OP)
>more vp shit
FUCK OFF
>>>/vp/

>>12147227
>>12147320
Anyone that thinks /vp/ is for actually talking about pokemon games hasn't actually been there. It unironically just is pedophiles and furries jerking each other off and posting pics. No genuine discussion has ever been had there.

>>12147343
What makes that hack good?

>>12147343
Remake/Remaster discussion is only allowed if the elder jannies decide you can talk about it. You are allowed to talk about OoT3D, you are not allowed to talk about MGS Delta.

>>12147358
it fixes the balance, wild pokemon variety, and level scaling, especially in kanto which are the biggest problem with gen 2 (and was not addressed in the remakes). a decent challenge without going to emerald kaizo levels of frustration and grind. and its pretty close to vanilla without introducing a bunch of cringe OC which to me is the biggest fucking problem with romhacks in general. it does make some changes I dont totally agree with but they are mostly inoffensive.

>>12147358
well um for starters they freaking FIX the level curve! now you don't have to grind on level 20 wild guys just to be level 50 before whitney
they also put incredibly balanced guys like houndoom SUPER early so you can actually freaking use it

>>12147343
REMASTERS are allowed. Not remakes. Otherwise there would be endless threads about RE2-4 remakes and shit. HG/SS is a remake not remaster. It's not retro.

>>12147203 (OP)
every johto game is dogshit unfortunately
but if i had to force myself through the shittiest region in the series, i'd choose hgss since it has the battle factory

>>12147383
>REMASTERS are allowed. Not remakes.
Says who? The sticky doesn't say anything about either.

>>12147392
Okay, then neither are allowed. This thread is off-topic spam.

>>12147395
Chill out, I just asked where you got that info. Since the only official source we have here doesn't mention it.

>>12147374
>>12147375
I see I see
>>12147391
O
Idk it seemed cool and I liked the designs of the Pokemon in it. Plus getting to go to a new region and then back to Kanto seems cool
>>12147391
Why is Johto bad?

>>12147383
its really up to the mood of the janny on duty and how recent the remake was. I know Ive seen threads for ffiv ds remake that were left up. I agree that remakes shouldnt be allowed (imagine if 7r fags were shitting up this board) but I also think DS and PSP should be retro at this point anyway, the DS was the last mostly 2d console and feels more retro than xbox or ps2 imo.

>>12147203 (OP)
>Red is on the summit instead of being a schizo deep in a cave
>physical and special separation
dealbreaker

>>12147410
>why is johto bad
the most common complaints are a lack of johto pokemon both in the wild and in gym leaders teams, and really bad level scaling on the gym leaders themselves. theres a point in the game where you can fight a few different gym leaders in any order, so they made all the same pathetic level so little kids wouldnt have to face any adversity. which is weird because gen 1 doesnt have the issue despite having the same structure.

oh and also when you get to kanto every gym leader will be pathetically underleveled, theres zero challenge whatsoever even though youve already beat the elite four. and then you get to red and hes 20 levels higher than you

>>12147410
>Why is Johto bad?
oh great it's this fucking guy again pretending he actually plays games and doesn't know why johto is freaking trash
we chased you out of /vp/ for a reason stanley so just go somewhere the heck else jeez

>>12147425
I hated Gen 2 Kanto because of that but it also started a tradition of me rerolling a team when I go out there. It sort of makes it work.

>>12147425
>theres a point in the game where you can fight a few different gym leaders in any order, so they made all the same pathetic level so little kids wouldnt have to face any adversity.
Oh
That's lame
>oh and also when you get to kanto every gym leader will be pathetically underleveled, theres zero challenge whatsoever even though youve already beat the elite four.
Oh
That is also really lame

Does HG/SS have those same flaws, or is leveling fixed in them?

>>12147432
>Does HG/SS have those same flaws, or is leveling fixed in them?
Same flaws, and somewhat made worse because the remakes force Gen4 rules into games that were not made for them.

>>12147447
So what level do you recommend being when you come to that crossroads?

>>12147432
the remakes dont fix it, its baffling. thats why Im telling you to just play storm silver or heart gold hack instead. its a 10x better experience.

>>12147460
*storm silver or sacred gold

When do you guys think Aurora Crystal is coming out? My bet is 2028.

>>12147203 (OP)
GSC are better, though should be played alongside RBY and Stadium 1+2 as a single, cohesive experience

>>12147414
This guy gets it

>>12147487
nobody knows what that is
this isn't /vp/, nobody here keeps tabs on this shit

>retards still spouting "level curve" nonsense
Yawn

>>12147497
it's true and gen 2 is my favorite
it's not easy liking pokemon and knowing gamefreak is fucking retarded

>>12147495
It's Sacred Gold Storm Silver v2 retard

>>12147507
well in that case i don't think it's coming out

>last pedomon thread hit bump limit
>new one appears in the catalog
>again
Gee, I wonder if it's the same retarded /vp/ migrant.
>>>/vp/

>>12147537
They demonize the older gens on there. It's why we talk about Doom on here instead of the modern video game boards.

>>12147537
>/vr/ - Retro Games
>No, you are NOT allowed to talk about retro games

>>12147548
/vp/ has mostly turned around on gen 1 and they always liked gen 3. Gen 2 is too polarizing and attracts too many autists.

>>12147548
>>12147550
I don't give a fuck.
Every time you make this dogshit thread, the same two or three /vp/edophiles shuffle in and circlejerk away any attempt at real discussion. So it turns into a /vp/ thread anyway.

>>12147557
No idea what you're talking about. I exclusively browse /vr/

>>12147560
yeah i'm sure

>>12147562
>/vr/ - Retro Games
>no, you are NOT allowed to talk about this one specific franchise
Anyway, I like retro Pokemon

>>12147565
>no, you are NOT allowed to talk about this one specific franchise
Honestly from that last thread? Yes

>>12147567
Just hide the thread and move on then

>>12147320
/vp/ is not a containment board, newfag

>>12147583
? it's literally a containment board for /v/

>>12147550
>>12147565
Yes, that's the whole reason containment boards exist.
Nobody likes these threads outside of the aforementioned three /vp/ immigrants. Go back.
>>>/vp/

>>12147586
No, newfag. Containment boards have site-wide general rules attached to them, like General Rule #15 for its respective board. Pokemon threads are still allowed and happen every day on /v/. /vp/ is no more a containment board for pokemon than /vrpg/ is a containment board for rpg video games in general. Notice that we can have Dragon Quest and Final Fantasy threads on /vr/ and /v/ etc? It's a special interest board, not containment.

>>12147592
>Pokemon threads are still allowed and happen every day on /v/.
so go make this thread there instead

>>12147592
>they're allowed
no they get told to fuck off there all the time when the mods don't notice
mods on /v/ delete touhou threads and /vg/ threads too

>>12147594
I didn't make this thread, but no, I won't. /vr/ exists precisely because other boards that are not retro-focused are difficult for discussion of anything but the latest games. This applies for literally every retro game. /vp/ is virtually entirely discussion of the latest pokemon games. This is why /vp/ was not made to be a containment board, and why pokemon discussion is allowed on /vr/ and elsewhere. Take it up with the mods if that upsets you.

>>12147596
No they don't you absolute retard. Take a look at the rule violations when you try and report a post. Notice that there are several boards explicitly referenced for certain violations? Those are the containment boards. They have general rules applied to them that prohibit discussion outside of them. /vp/ does not have this. Spend less time posting and more time lurking.

https://www.4chan.org/rules

>>12147601
>/vp/ exists precisely because other boards that are not pedo-focused are difficult for discussion of anything but video games.
ftfy

>>12147613
>/vr/ doesn't have pedos on it
nobody let this guy browse the jrpg and pc98 threads

>>12147605
why do those threads i mentioned get deleted when they aren't explicitly in the rules? it's almost like the mods don't follow these rules either
>gotta catch em all is still a rule after dexit
why should i follow rules that are 6 years outdated?

>grindschizo
>anti johto megaschizo
>viableschizo
>janny wannabe schizo
who did I miss

>>12147617
>why do those threads i mentioned get deleted
Regarding generals, /v/ has a board rule against them
Regarding touhou, those threads tend to devolve into off-topic shitflinging and that's what gets them deleted, not the subject itself. If there was a regular thread just discussing the series there'd be no issue.

>>12147616
>>/vr/ doesn't have pedos on it
it'd have significantly less if you went back to >>>/vp/

>>12147605
I remember when generals weren't allowed on /v/ yet they still had drawfag shit as they do now. The rules are only relevant when you combo piss off an anon and the janny is a tranny.

>>12147630
is that really what you believe? the gameplay threads get deleted and the braindead otaku dogshit stay up half the time. shut the fuck up

>>12147637
That's what happens, dumbfuck. If you see a janny abusing their power, report it to site staff. Otherwise stop bitching.

>>12147638
Yeah that totally works lmfao
Fuck off janny tranny

>>12147592
It's cute that you think 4chan moderation isn't biased as fuck.

/v/ mods will leave /pol/ and female softcore porn threads up until bump limit, but delete certain gameplay and gay threads on sight.

/vp/ mods will delete posts from one side of a genwar thread instead of deleting the whole thread.

I just want to talk about the old Pokemon games, I love gens 1-3, stadium, colosseum.

>>12147663
there's a board for that and it isn't this one

>>12147669
I don't care about the new games, the anime, or whether you'd rather fuck misty or gardevoir, I just want to talk about the old games

>>12147685
>I just want to talk about the old games
pokemon games? good news, there's a board for you
>>>/vp/

>>12147669
See >>12147567
>>12147694
See >>12147685

>>12147696
>See >>12147567
so you agree then, good
have fun on /vp/

>>12147685
>i just want to talk about the old games
>hasn't discussed games at all in over 2 hours
Gee, I wonder if the retarded /vp/ migrant might be lying to stir shit.

>>12147694
This. Imagine if someone posted a thread for retro MLP games. They'd get b&.

>>12147426
>we chased you out of /vp/
A blight..

>>12147625
Lmfao, the gangs all here!

>>12147625
The faggot who’s obsessed with /vp/
Or is that the wannabe janny schizo

>>12147625
>Grindschizo
You really turned me into a namefag over saying you should train at least 5 levels to?

>>12148464
*to match the elite 4

>>12147203 (OP)
To answer the question instead of seething about cross-board bullshit or gen wars, I prefer Crystal because the engine feels faster and I like the chiptune music better. Crystal also walks the fine line between bonding the player with a legendary (Suicune) without making the entire plot about that (Gen 3 onwards), and while the remake mostly respects that, it does turn you into the chosen one. The redesigns for the characters also tend to be, for the lack of a better term, atrocious.
That said the remake is great for what it is, it does have more to do, and it all boils down to preference in visuals and style. Since you're on /vr/, I think you might prefer Crystal by default because it is simpler and more retro.

oh, did we reach the bump limit already? noice. frankly, the more i read the autistic ramblings in these threads the more i want to do a gen2-only pokemon run and wish i didn't spend time switch-training poliwag and zubat. at least i'm still in early game.

maybe the romhack Crystal Legacy ?

>>12147203 (OP)
wait, why the fuck did you create a new thread if the old one has still 100 posts to go? are you the guy who got ridiculed there and decided to make your own?

>>12147203 (OP)
Play the Sour Crystal hack, I really enjoyed it.

>>12148464
For me it's the "you had to grind at all? you're a /vp/edophile and didn't beat the game" schizo.

>>12148502
>>12148560
QRD on these?

>>12147203 (OP)
Crystal if you want the pure gen2.

HG/SS are if you want natures, capped total EVs and gen3+ mechanics.

>>12147375
>grind on level 20 wild guys just to be level 50 before whitney
You can beat Whitney at level 30 even without any type advantage simply with good EVs and a strong team.

You level not on wild mons, but trainer rematches.

/vp/edophiles get out
>>>/vp/

>>12147203 (OP)
Perfect Crystal

>>12149008
>with good EVs
Tryhard meta bullshit.

>>12149008
>You can beat Whitney at level 30
why the fuck are you already level 30 at whitney

>>12147663
What do you love about them Anon?
>>12148487
Thanks Anon. I really appreciate the well thought-out post. :)
>>12149000
I'm not sure which I'd prefer frankly. I've played FR, Emerald, and Yellow. I liked them all, but probably like FR the most. The improvements and QOL from Gen 1 to Gen 3 were really nice.

>>12147203 (OP)
the remakes are better because their not clunky old boomer shit and they have actually good graphics that dont make my eyes bleed

>>12149734
This is clearly the wrong board for you, anon

>>12149654
>>12148987
QRD?

>>12148987
https://www.pokecommunity.com/threads/pokemon-sour-crystal-improvement-hack.434361/

>>12150323
Perfect is just the same game but some bug fixes and a little QoL, basically a patched version without messing up the core game much

>>12150489
>and a little QoL
so, infinite rare candies and tms?
pass

>>12152184
>sage and post like a giant faggot
lol

After talking to some irl friends, I will probably go with HG/SS. More QoL, special/physical split, and it being a modern version of the definitive Pokemon game.

Ty for everyone who posted

>>12152308
>bump and be a pedophile
sad

30yo+ niggas discussin pokimon like nigga is you a manchild or whats good? go back to >>>/vp/ nigga get the fuck out of here
Jannie, ban these niggas and close purge this bitchass thread NOW

>>12152310
Why not just mod if you want QoL? Quite honestly HGSS is missing so much from the Gen 2 experience, that even if I like them, they aren't what I conider to be replacements.

>>12147203 (OP)
It's time to say the truth, pokemon is the unwashed anus of gaming.

>>12147203 (OP)
Crystal is the best. If I want Mareep I'll trade for it.

>>12152443
oh fuck. that will complicate my gen2 only crystal challenge.

Why can’t you discuss johto on vp ?

>>12152648
For the same reasons /vr/ was split off from /v/

>>12152748
/vp/ was a split off of /v/ to discuss pokemon
you were given a space specifically for you, go back there and use it instead of shitting up our board
>>>/vp/

>>12152754
this thread is not shitting up our board. go do something about the sega spam.

>>12152782
>our board
>our
fuck off /vp/edophile
>>>/vp/

>>12152789
oh, so you ARE the sega spammer. checks out i guess.

>>12147203 (OP)
>Pokemon Crystal

>>12152782
>this thread is not shitting up our board
nta but when I saw this thread, I immediately thought of a giant turd clogging a toilet. Not even kidding. Like some sort of vivid flashback. Must have been Pokemon Brown.

I would feel like the recent influx of Pokemon threads were more legitimate if they weren't all about Gen 2, the most divisive generation both on /vr/ and /vp/.

And also, Heart Gold and Soul Silver are not retro under the rules of this board.

>>12152792
oh, so you ARE a pedophile. checks out i guess

>>12152413
what is it missing, animated sprites and stadium 2 support? battle frontier, pokeathlon, following mons, and pbr support more than make for your pathetic gen poo experience lol

>>12152834
>Gen 1 Interactivity
>Pokemon Stadium 2
>My Room
It's very much a unique experience to play Gens 1 and 2 on physical copies with Stadium as opposed to playing their remakes. Stadium is vastly underrated. Personally, I think gathering some of your mates and doing a casual playthrough of the Gen 1+2 games together, working to complete the pokedex and such over a weekend and making full use of trading and shit is a load of fun. You can't do that with the other gens.

>>12152841
>physical copies
no speedup, no play

>>12152843
>He doesn't know

>>12152648
I didn't think vp was for dicussing the games. I took one look, saw a bunch of people lusting over little girls and virutal monsters and realized if I actually want to talk about the games, I would best be served elsewhere.

>>12147203 (OP)
you should be playing enough pokemon that switching between originals and remakes is a welcome change of pace you CASUAL

>>12147203 (OP)
I want to say Crystal, but 1) the battery fucking sucks worse than Gold/Silver, and 2) removing Super Game Boy support was the moment Pokémon died for me.

>>12153295
Hacks like Sour Crystal address your issues.

>>12153317
>>12150453
>>12148560
Does sour crystal have exp share like in later gens?
I can't go back to training every single one individually

>>12150489
QoL like what? Seems vague

>>12150453
Take your ADHD meds

>>12150453
>New Custom Pokémon Sprites done by me. Over 200 have been tweaked/redone
>Updated Stats up to gen9
>Updated movepools
This does sound really good except for these three changes, might be a dealbreaker for me but I will try it out and give it a fair go

>>12153992
>>12153375

>>12150453
>PKHEX no longer compatible
Yikes

>>12152856
>stadium 2
>just beat the whole game to unlock speedup
nobody wants to sit through the whole game just to speed it up that shit is boring

>>12154012
does pkhax work?

>>12154293
Why aren't you playing and beating Stadium 1/2 anyway, anon?

>>12154347
Good question, I'll check at some point. Some other recent Crystal hacks I've played don't work even with pkhax since the new event flags fuck up the save file's data structure

>>12154508
This
It’s literally the post game for gens 1/2

>>12154508
>literally zero qol hacks
SNORE

>>12154575
This is your brain on tiktok

>>12147363
Just make sure the OP is explicitly about a comparison between the OG game and the remake/remaster, and you're golden.
>>12147383
They aren't? I thought DS and PSP were allowed at this point.
>>12147391
Johto is the best region.

>>12147425
Well, Gen 1 wanted and expected you to fight gym leaders in a particular order. You could sequence break, but you had to go somewhat out of your way and still ended up at roughly the same level, anyway, thanks to the random trainers you fought along the way. I think it was just assumed that players would naturally play through things in the right order. It wasn't just one big massive open space where you can go three different directions with little direction on where you're supposed to go first like in Gen 2. Gen 1 was way more structured.
>so little kids wouldnt have to face any adversity
That's who these games are made for, anon. So sick of autists on the internet crying because a retail children's game doesn't have kaizo levels of difficulty. Pokemon is a comy as fuck game that has never had any adversity in any of its iterations, period.

>>12154695
>if you don't read every text box you're a zoomer
im an adult and don't have time to spend 3 hours playing fucking pokemon dude
if a game cant respect my time then i wont play it

>>12154841
Is it really that bad playing ~30 every other day to eventually get through a game? This is what I do and even playing long rpgs feels really comfy

>>12154835
Is Saffron>Fuschia vs Fuschia>Saffron really "out of your way"? Neither feels particularly more out of your way or intended than the other to me

>>12154996
Yeah, going to Fuschia before Saffron requires you to pretty much willfully ignore Saffron and intentionally walk past it. And there's no ignoring all the trainers on the way there. Can't you also just walk past Lt. Surge and come back to him later in the game? Pretty much the same thing. It's not the same as just letting you loose in basically an open world for a third of the game and letting you choose the order you want to do things in, which Gen 2 was designed to let you do; Gen 1 was intended to be played in a particular order. I don't think they went out of their way to make sure you couldn't sequence break in Gen 1, because you can in very many ways, but it wasn't intended.

>>12154992
>30 minutes every day
oh yeah let me just dedicate 5 months of my life to this single game. i have other things to do and other content to consume.
ill wait for a qol hack that streamlines it for modern audiences because im not a sweaty tryhard who hates themselves lmao

>>12147203 (OP)

HGSS is garbage because it butchers the visuals and music.

>>12155043
>content to consume
Yikes

>>12155043
>id rather eat short shitty games than one long good game to save on time
Have fun with that bro

>>12155043
>content to consume
This mentality is so gross.

>>12155043
>why spend an hour and a half watching a movie when I can consume multiple tik toks in that time

>>12155043
>oh yeah let me just dedicate 5 months of my life to this single game.
Sounds like a good time. You didn't even need to go through the effort to find other things to entertain you for 5 whole months! Imagine if you bought it before emulation was a thing, insane value for your money.

>>12147410
>Why is Johto bad?
The game isn't constantly shoving overpowered legendaries and shillmons in your face.

>>12155043
Based opinion but Crystal is not a long game. All of the timegated garbage is kind of pointless and not necessary for beating the game. Just use one or two Pokemon like everyone else and knock out the league in like 7-8 hours.

>>12156584
>overpowered legendaries
The box literally shoves the powerful legendary in your face
>shillmons
90%+ of your encounters will be Kantomons

>>12156649
>Crystal is not a long game
its longer than it has to be and theres no reason i should have to sit through every text box and wait 5 minutes for every attack during battles. these games dont respect my limited time and just keep me from moving on to the next game on my list
speedup is the only way to play pokemon games and anyone who says otherwise is either lying or brain damaged

>>12156912
>cant play pokemon with speed up
>doesn’t know you can turn off battle animations in every game.

Are you adhd and retarded? How much tik tok do you watch a day?

>>12156918
>likes watching text scroll by
>likes getting interrupted for "story" nonsense
and here we see one of those brain damaged folk i mentioned lmao

Hgss first localized pokemon game without the original translator. Makes a huge difference. Otherwise too overly "bright". Hgss only to be played for streamlining gameplay, otherwise no point

>>12156912
>just keep me from moving on to the next game on my list
Games are meant to be enjoyed not checked off

>>12157190
and you think slogging through dialog is enjoyable? lmao

>>12147356
I’ve never been to that board so I decided to go and check and I wish you weren’t wrong. Holy fuck. I hate porn addicts so much.

>>12147203 (OP)
The uncensored one

>>12154012
That's what happens when you play too much lgbt mafia Pokemon hacks.

>>12155043
This is your average Johto glazer and romhack smartphone idiot, people.

>>12152782
Oh did Auster went to your shithole? Good, hope he stays there and not here.

>>12147203 (OP)
I hate pokemon as a series and the games are shovelware tier after gen 5 but lately my hyper fixation has been Gen 3 competitive matches on showdown.
Really satisfying using magneton and dugtrio to trap and kill annoying shit like skarmory and blissey.

>>12148987

there is documentation in form of pdf or youtube video.
I dont know if pkhex works or if it does mess up items, i didnt try

>>12157518
>johto
every pokemon game needs to be played with speedup but even that doesnt make johto good

>>12158062
this is pretty obviously chatgpt lol typical low effort youtuber shit

>>12147356

I've been there. I participated in a couple of good generation war threads between gooning.

It does boil down to the same memes in the end though. Like most 4chan boards.

>gen 1 bugs
>gen 2 endgame
>gen 3 too much water
>gen 4 slow
>gen 5 is when zoomers got onboard
>gen 6 recycles too much
>etc

>>12158470
>gen 5 is when zoomers got onboard
That's gen 4, or even 3 for the older ones

>>12158470
Gen 5 received massive amounts of hate from normalfags upset they couldn’t use their favorite pokemon.
Now we have non stop Gen 1 pandering because of those fuckers

>>12157512
>Just had his Dragonite blast an unarmed grunt with Hyper Beam
>Talks about fighting fair in HG/SS

>>12158482

Yeah, but in terms of like, average 4chan contrarian bait/criticism that seems to be the most common angle of attack. IE, the accusation that anyone who likes it is just a zoomer baby with nostalgia goggles.

For my personal opinion, even as a gen 1 literal boomer myself, I still see gen 5 as essentially the peak of the series. It represents the point where the games were at their most polished, the mechanics were well rounded and implemented, and there was still creativity and love going into them. From there it was only downhill desu.

Reminder that most of the gen 5 dissonance comes from jealous Johtofags seething about a single YouTuber that said he liked gen 5 one time. They get so many things wrong about it, I don't even think they have the attention span to watch the whole video.

>>12158639
>They get so many things wrong about it, I don't even think they have the attention span to watch the whole video.
Maybe because they didn’t watch the video you think they did?

>>12158639
>if you like X you're the reason Y failed
>youtuber obsession
does everyone on /vp/ do this? is this why you "people" can't talk about games there?

>>12158486
>>12158530
Imagine liking gen 5. How embarrassing

>>12158639
99% of people have no idea what you're talking about and have their own personal reasons for liking/disliking gen 2/5

>>12158983 Your loss, I'm having fun.
>>12158470 I love Gen1 bugs so I get to have even more fun. I am once again shilling for Kaizo Blue, please play it. It doesn't fix any bugs and actually encourages taking advantage of them to make it through creative fights.

>>12158470
>between gooning
Glad to see I'm not the one that reads this site when taking breaks during their goonsesh

>>12148502
>>12158062
>pokemon: e-celeb legacy
No thanks, into the garbage can it goes, especially with the self-insert characters and other "signatures" they left behind.

>>12159335
This