Thread 12153004

Man... I'm that anon who's playing the series in release order, just finished this and as much as I don't want to sound like a corny normalfag this is the best one so far and it's not even close. I expected a storydriven '''moviegame''' because people here have convinced me that the gameplay takes a backseat but the materia system is just so much fun. And I mean I don't need to tell you about everything else like the story, characters, music enemy designs, prerendered backgrounds, etc, literally everything is 10/10. There is one and only one thing that I'm not a big fan of: most dungeons are way too short but that's about it. Will be taking a break from the series now. And it looks like 8 is when this Final Fantasy thing starts when some fans love the game and it's their favorite but the others think it's 2/10 dogshit, I've realised that it's like that with every game in the series from 8 onwards
TL;DR This game isn't overrated actually

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glad you had fun, OP

Only contrarian hipster don't like FF7 (or people who don't like RPG)

It's probably the closest J-RPG in terms of perfection

Great battle system
Great story
Great pacing
Great ambiance
Great music
Great production value
....

Some J-RPG may be above FF7 in one aspect (like story with Xenogears or music with Chrono cross) but fall flat on other aspects

>>12153026
>Only contrarian hipster don't like FF7 (or people who don't like RPG)
Or people still butthurt that Squaresoft left their precious company

For FF8 i think fans of FF7 tend to love this game too (like myself)

They quite close in a lot of aspect (Nomura chara design,sci-fi setting, the battle system and it's emphasis on customisation...)

It's more the fans of FF9 or pre FF7 that dislike this game

>>12153009
Nice, I checked the achievements and it looks like I'd be able to get all of them except maxing out gil and materia, that feels like a huge pain in the ass to do. I've heard there is an item dupe glitch, you can dupe elixirs and just do magic pot grinding for hours but you'd still be far away from hitting 99,999,999 gil even when you max out your levels and materia. Oh and Aeris's last Limit Break is missable, I didn't get that. Thinking of that, learning all Limit Breaks as all characters is also a pain in the ass. I didn't even get Cloud's Omnislash because after obtaining W Summon I just felt drained, way too many points needed for all that shit even considering the fact that each gauntlet nets you 10k if you choose to break some of your materia during the roulette parts. And the only reason I even got W Summon was because I looked up the strats for Ruby and Emerald, would've never been able to beat those without a guide. I've heard that Ultimate Weapon is the only 'superboss' in the JP version and it's a complete joke of a fight, he doesn't even regen his health during encounters like Deathgaze from 6. Ruby and Emerald on the other hand just feel fucking impossible without the 'cheese' strats with KotR, Mime and W Summon, way, WAY worse than Omega and Shinryu from 5
Got a date with Tifa btw just like I wanted
Also wanted to say, one aspect about Sephiroth that I really liked is that every time you supposedly catch up to him, the way the devs made each of those encounters feel is just amazing, it feels like you are in a dream and you aren't really sure if it's really him or not. Also the fact that Cloud is literally scared of him. The devs really made him feel creepy and menacing, I thought he was just an edgy anime swordsman before playing the game but I was surprised
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvC6dxI-oPk

Imagine playing Final Faggotry 7 in 2001+24

VIII is even more ludokino, somehow. though if youre like me you wont fully appreciate it on the first playthrough, unlike VII.

after VIII is when it goes starts going downhill but just slightly. then after x it starts tumbling facefirst downhill.

>>12153063
>the way the devs made each of those encounters feel is just amazing, it feels like you are in a dream and you aren't really sure if it's really him or not.
one of many things 100% destroyed in demake. never play it unless you go in with 0 expectations knowing its fanfiction trash and just want to enjoy booba and nice graphics.

I like FF7, but it is very story-driven. If you think it's not a movie game, you're on some serious copium. The flashback with Sephiroth is like an hour long, unskippable, and has no real gameplay.

>>12153063
max gil is simple, just put 48 "all" materias on, master and then sell for 1.4M each

>>12153063
Emerald weapon can actually be beaten without KotR spam, though IIRC you just spam limit breaks instead, but the fight is much faster and more fun that way. Ruby is the real son of a bitch, and that's because he's essentially just a glorified puzzle to solve, requiring certain keys in order to even have a chance to succeed unless you resort to a cheese like the overflow glitch or lucky 7s, and those also take time to set up.

>>12153198
50/50, some cutscenes and non-gameplay sections really do drag but I'd say there's still as much raw gameplay as in the previous entries
>>12153257
I beat Ruby with Hades+KotR W Summon spam
>>12153186
I checked out the remake(s) on Youtube, they honestly look like their own thing. The aesthetics and mood are completely different and apparently the story is as well so it's more of a reimagining. But as someone who doesn't play modern games at all the graphics made my jaw drop, looks amazing on a technical level. They should've done a 1:1 remake while retaining the original's aesthetics, would've been really nice with modern technology

The Weapons are only hard in the sense that you need certain preparation to take them on, but with the right setup it's possible to basically guarantee a win. It's just time that getting all the necessary materia is rather time consuming.

You want a bullshit super boss? Wait until you get to FF9.

>>12153198
>I like FF7, but it is very story-driven. If you think it's not a movie game, you're on some serious copium
If you think that's any different from FF6, you're a dishonest console warrior.

>>12153198
>>12153536
If FF7 is a moviegame then FF10 is straight up just a movie

>>12153004 (OP)
I’m glad you realized that /vr/ is full of contrarians.

You’re also about to realize how much of a letdown 8 was compared to .

>>12153026
Chrono Cross had the worst battle theme out of any JRPG

>>12153504
> It's just time that getting all the necessary materia is rather time consuming.
Getting a gold chocobo is extremely bullshit, thank god for autistic speedrunners and RNG manipulation. Other than that it's alright and you can level everything up pretty quickly by grinding magic pots. There are enemies in the same area that you can steal elixirs from, it's like that spot was intended for grinding. Also movers in the same area give tons of AP

>>12153004 (OP)
FF7 has been called overrated for so long that it's now a contrarian thing (on here) to actually like the game

>>12153543
yeah FFX was rightfully critized for being a cutscene fest. And then somehow FFXIII doubled down.

>>12153547
>how much of a letdown 8 was compared to .
or maybe he will be one of the few chosen one who thinks ff8 is pure kino

>>12153547
>the worst battle theme out of any JRPG
https://youtu.be/VH-D56FfOgs?si=5iXXH44Dv00Bn5kJ

>>12153547
>>12153570
I've heard that this game is like the FF2 of the PS1 trilogy. I'm a JRPG noob but somehow I managed to get through 2 after reading the manual but 8 is apparently the most complex game in the series. I've heard 12 is also complex though

>>12153580
They're somewhat more complex but they're not complicated. 8 systems are complex in the sense that they're all intertwined, but it's so poorly balanced that if you figure it out just a bit the game becomes very easy. Worse case scenario you can just spam summon but it's tedious.
12 is an offline mmo so I quickly dropped out but my big grip with the battle system (zodiac age version) was that you had to buy every individual commands and there is a but load of them since it's combat programming.
In any case FF8 is kino worth playing just for the setting and what is arguably uematsu's best composition. But again every FF on ps1 are worth playing no matter what the tribalists say.
pic rel

>>12153580
also the consensus (and I agree with it) is that FFX is the last good ff of the series, though you could tell it was already the beginning of the end in term of overall design.

There are a few really good dungeons (Cave of the Gi, Gaea's Cliff). But yes, that's the one fault of FF7. There is absolutely nothing like Final Fantasy 7 in terms of the look and feel. One of a kind game. And yes, this includes every shitty spinoff and sequel.
And the crazy thing is that it isn't even my favorite game in the series. Square released a 10/10 masterpiece every year or two for over 10 years in the 90s and early 2000s.

>>12153004 (OP)
>I expected a storydriven '''moviegame''' because people here have convinced me that the gameplay takes a backseat but the materia system is just so much fun.
I've said this many times, FF7 nailed the balance between gameplay and storytelling.
I don't want to prejudice you too much towards 8, 9 and 10, suffice to say that in my opinion, FF7 represented the peak of this balance, maximizing the storytelling potential without sacrificing the gameplay.

>>12153198
>The flashback with Sephiroth is like an hour long, unskippable, and has no real gameplay.
That doesn't happen until the beginning of Act II, typically 4-5 hours into the game, when the player is well-invested in both the story AND the gameplay.
FF7 frontloads gameplay and blends it with the cutscenes (unlike say, FF9 and FF10 which frontload the storytelling)

>>12153536
He's retarded to call it a moviegame, but there's still a noticeable shift between FF6 and FF7. FF7 has way more emphasis on cutscenes than FF6.

Take the first hour of this longplay (actually hour 4 to 5):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3j9gyXUSFE
- 1.5 minute cutscene of Cyan seeing his family get on board
- 45 second cutscene introducing Gau
- 3.5 minute cutscene in a random battle on the veldt to recruit Gau
- Maybe 2 minutes of cutscene time in the cave looking for the breathing device.
- 5 minutes of cutscenes regrouping in Narshe and setting up the Kefka attack.

So that's 5 cutscenes totaling 13 minutes in just over an hour of game time. Around 21%. Even the famous Opera sequence is maybe 15-20 minutes of cutscenes interspersed with battles and a boss fight.

You'll find that FF7 has significantly longer cutscenes that consume a far greater fraction of the play time. (closer to 40%+ depending on where you are)

>>12153004 (OP)
>it looks like 8 is when this Final Fantasy thing starts when some fans love the game and it's their favorite but the others think it's 2/10 dogshit, I've realised that it's like that with every game in the series from 8 onwards
While that is true, 8 suffers unnecessary infamy due to its dogshit tutorial that turns "instead of having equipment you attach magics directly to your stats so make sure to do that now and then (just pick the auto-option if you're lazy)" into a 30 step monstrosity that everyone zones out during.

>>12153706
>There is absolutely nothing like Final Fantasy 7 in terms of the look and feel.

That was true until this year
Expedition 33 is what Final Fantasy was supposed to become, instead we got 20 years of shit games

If you like 7, you will love 10

>>12153004 (OP)
glad you enjoyed it, anon!

Man there must be something wrong with me because I have tried so many times to get into this game and I just can't. In fact I fucking hate it. I can't think of any critically acclaimed game that tries to stop you from having fun as much as this one does.

The core of my beef with this game stems from the awful contrast between the 2D backgrounds and the 3D characters. Not only does it look awful but so many shitty mini games require you to try to squint your eyes to try to figure out what the fuck is going on and a lot of them are timed too. Then there's that stupid post battle screen that takes 10 seconds to tell you how much XP you earned. That shit adds up when you consider the encounter rate.

V was the direction the series should have went in and is the best game in the series by far. VI was a step backwards but still a very playable and good game. VII was the plunge into the tedious visual novel onions abyss that it became.

>>12153063
I mean take this screenshot for example....it looks like fucking dogshit my dude. Did people EVER think this looked good? Insane. I was alive back in '97 although I was too young to play this one, but when I played it back in 2000 it looked like shit and it still looks like shit. It's not like good graphics were unheard of back then. Quake II, Goldeneye and Star Wars Dark Forces 2 all looked way better than this atrocity.

>>12154809
The tile seams are a common emulator error and the resolution is completely fucked up. That isn't what the game looks like.

>>12154546
>e33
go back to /v/ and take your slop with you.

Ive tried to chase the dragon finding games that are just as good as ffvi, vii viii and x my whole life. I think aside from earthbound nothing has come close. maybe vagrant story, but thats such a different game its hard to compare it.

>>12154829
There's an decent amount of standalone JRPGs that are on the same level, but there's nothing that has a 7 game streak of 10/10 titles like Final Fantasy does. Not even close. Maybe 2 good games if they're lucky.

>>12154801
>Man there must be something wrong with me
autism. a bunch of anons here have it. being a faggot is another common problem here too.

>>12154832
what games do you think are close? plz anon im desperate for some gems

>>12154819
this but it's also not on a crt

>>12153004 (OP)
Cheers anon, ffvii is truly a masterpiece

>>12153063
>I didn't even get Cloud's Omnislash because after obtaining W Summon I just felt drained, way too many points needed for all that shit even considering the fact that each gauntlet nets you 10k if you choose to break some of your materia during the roulette parts.
Really? Battle square is one of my favorite parts. It's the challenge I want from ffvii dungeons or dungeons in general. Only really hard enemies in ffvii are the weapons and at that point it's just overkill. Though, anybody can just change the levels of enemies if disc 2/3 and have a much more customized experience.

>>12154848
Lunar 2, Phantasy Star 4, Nocturne, Bravely Default.

>>12154832
>but there's nothing that has a 7 game streak of 10/10 titles like Final Fantasy does
I know we are not allowed to praise Nintendo games here but Zelda

OP, I highly suggest you try VIII. If you're disappointed that's whatever, but if you like it you'll really like it.
>>12155498
I only had Nintendo in the 90's, never any RPGs.
I played aLttP like it was the best experience of my life. I got OoT release day and was obsessed with it.
Years later I got a PS2 and finally played FFVII (and IX), it blew my mind. I still preordered WW, which I did complete and mildly enjoy but it sealed the deal. What 7 Zelda games are you talking about? MM's dungeons sucked, WW was insultingly easy and could have done more with the good combat controls. Ages were good but felt like the C-team made them.

>>12154801
>The core of my beef with this game stems from the awful contrast between the 2D backgrounds and the 3D characters.
Looks like this anon is correct: >>12154842
The minigames do suck, though. People unfairly bitch at FF7 for starting a lot of bad trends (moviegames were coming regardless of what FF7 did), but cramming mainline entries with minigames can definitely be blamed on VII. Prior entries had minigames here and there but FF7 took it to a new level.
> post battle screen that takes 10 seconds to tell you how much XP you earned
That part doesn't take 10 seconds it takes 2 seconds. The entire post-battle sequence is usually about 9 seconds, but it's longer for the world map.
3 seconds - cheering animations
2 seconds - XP/loot
2-5 seconds - reload field map (2s) or world map (5s)

It's true PSX load times can be annoying but that affected most games on the platform.

>>12155492
>someone really thinks these games are even half as good as FF golden age
grim to say the least

>>12153004 (OP)
The story is too scatterbrained and the visuals aged too poorly to compete with 6, but it’s still up there as one of the best. You’ll find 8 to be surprisingly good as well, then things go downhill fast.

>>12155658
>What 7 Zelda games are you talking about? MM's dungeons sucked, WW was insultingly easy
All of the /vr/ ones except the Four Swords games are honestly great, I agree that games like MM and WW have some faults but if you are going to say that FF4 and FF8 are 10/10 games then you gotta cut weaker Zelda games some slack too. I think no one's going to argue (unless they are contrarians) that both FF and Zelda are juggernauts when it comes to the /vr/ era, even FF12 is objectively a good RPG

>>12155728
>even FF12 is objectively a good RPG

Lmao one of the worst game i have ever played

>>12155728
I don't ever rate games 10/10 (except maybe the original Legend of Zelda), but FF4 is a genuinely great and timeless game.

>>12155749
FF4 is a good game and it was probably somewhat groundbreaking at the time but it's honestly way worse than 5 and 6 in my opinion

>>12153004 (OP)
I have been disappointed by hyped up classics, but FF7 is still a great game

The 3D models outside of combat were so bad.
It's amazing what we allowed back then.
I didnt think twice about it when I bought it because the pre-rendered backgrounds were so fantastic.

Looking at the 3D models now though is kind of cringe.

>>12155658
>What 7 Zelda games are you talking about? MM's dungeons sucked
According to even the OP FF7's dungeons are its weak point too. Considering how having good dungeons is just as important to a JRPG as it is to Zelda, it would be unfair to say one game is a 10/10 and the other isn't when they have the same fault.

FFVIII and FFIX are a step below FFVII because VII, even when it is railroading you, tries to maintain the illusion that you are controlling the game. It feels like you are moving the story forward even when you aren't. VIII and IX both have moments where the seams are more clearly visible. VIII had interesting gameplay but I find the story clunky. IX had great characters and a great setting but a weak final act and kind of dull gameplay. That said, people who complain that IX is too slow are poisoned by smartphones. You may very well find a lot to like in each of those games.

OP here, looks like I could've visited Gongaga before Cosmo Canyon, missed out on some scenes with Aeris saying Zack was her boyfriend but oh well
>>12155838
I think the models are charming
>>12155658
>>12155853
MM dungeons aside from the first one are very tedious yeah and more often than not it feels like the entire game is a set of mini dungeons, like the Oracles, Minish Cap and Skyward Sword

>>12153004 (OP)
The biggest thing to remember when you get to FF8 is that the default order in which GFs learn skills is wrong. Things like stat junctions, command skills, and especially refinement are always the number #1 thing you should learn, but GFs will default to HP+ 10% and other useless skills like that.

>>12153198
You have some deranged definitions if you think 7 qualifies as a movie game. I wouldn't even say that about 10, and THAT game has a LOT of cutscenes

>>12154832
Megami Tensei / Shin Megami Tensei.
Literally no bad mainline games

>>12156009
Sure, but only Nocturne is a 10/10.

>>12155810
>honestly way worse than 5 and 6 in my opinion
Not even close to "way worse."
FF4 is the distilled essence of Final Fantasy. It lacks some of the gimmicks from later games (like Blue Magic, DoubleCasting or a Job System), and you can't swap out party members. Those things are nice, but overrated. Lacking them doesn't make a game worse. The most serious issue with FF4 is the relatively small size of the game compared to 5, 6, and 7. It cuts down on the sense of scale and freedom when compared especially to 5 and 6. But even within its constraints, there are three optional dungeons and optional places to visit (Mist/Rydia's House, Silvera, Eblan Castle, and Tomra)

Add item descriptions, a few more dungeons(3-4), the ability to swap party members when you reach the end game, and all these minor gripes would go away.

PS enemy counts as a metric indicating raw volume of content, relative to FF4:

FF1: 124 (55%)
FF2: 169 (76%)
FF3: 225 (101%
FF4: 223 (100%)
FF5: 323 (145%)
FF6: 384 (172%)
FF7: 300 (134%)
FF8: 140 (62%)*
FF9: 197 (88%)
CT: 233 (104%)

You can see the early games constrained by resources, gradually increasing until the peak at FF6, after which monsters began to require more labor-intensive animated 3D models. (Chrono Trigger had animated 2D monster sprites)

* I might have the count wrong, I couldn't find a straightforward bestiary for FF8. I used https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/ps/197343-final-fantasy-viii/faqs/30753

>>12153282
>They should've done a 1:1 remake while retaining the original's aesthetics
you can't retain the original's aesthetics if you remake it in ue you fucking retard how are there so many idiots out there who don't understand this since 1997
literally within a couple years of this masterpiece being released (but especially after shit like CC and AC came out) the internet was swarming with NPC-brained idiots asking for it to be made with modern graphics
wanting FFVII with modern graphics is like asking for photorealistic van gogh, utterly idiotic
FFVII with modern anything doesn't work
I'm currently finally watching a rebirth playthrough out of sheer curiosity and it just proves I live in a simulation surrounded by evil drones, there is no other way that game is defended by some "ffvii fans"
everything from the NPC models and VAs to the exhausting OST to the sluggish pacing to the kindergarden tier writing is inexcusable

>>12155810
Btw, FF6 has a severely flawed design. It's a fun game with a ton of content (huge cast, lots of abilities and items and places to explore and so on). But it's got serious issues with mechanics and itemization. The game's balance goes off the rails almost from the very beginning.
Tools and Blitz start out massively overpowered while Cyan's main swordtech is really powerful also.
Then everyone gets access to magic, which pretty much immediately trivializes attrition dynamics because everyone has basically the same size mana pool.
Speaking of that, despite being a "character=class" system, everyone has the same HP and MP. This reduces individuality in a system that already limits distinctiveness due to all-access magic.
World of Ruin has numerous bosses that are 100% trivialized by easily-obtainable gear.
It's ridiculously easy to make a party so immune to a boss's attacks that losing is effectively impossible. Of the "Eight Legendary Dragons" the only one that isn't a complete joke is the Storm Dragon.
Stats are totally fucked, the only one really worth taking the hassle to raise is Magic Power.

4 doesn't have any of this type of problem.

>>12156218
>kindergarten tier writing
It's a 5th or 6th grade tier fanfic at least.

Final Fantasy 7?

But I haven't played the previous six final fantasies D:

Final Fantasy Tactics? I don't need to learn tactics for a game I don't play ^_^

>>12156218
>you can't retain the original's aesthetics if you remake it in ue you fucking retard
DQ11 was literally made with UE and it looks and feels like good old DQ and not some realistic gloomy trash

>>12156231
wtf do you mean six previous? it's the FINAL fantasy you retard, it's over. no more fantasy

>>12156231
People will think you're trolling, but that's exactly what happened with Wii U.

My boomers eventually got rid of their Wii and never touched another video game that isn't mobile slop.

>>12156236
DQ11 looks as good as I could expect a game released that year to look and I semi-retract my statement cause I don't actually know what ue is cause every game I see that is made in ue looks the same to me, good for them over at DQ for trying to retain the style of the franchise even with modern graphics but I don't think the same would ever apply to FF and FFVII especially, I can imagine a ue rendering of balamb that would sort of retain the original feeling (if it is accompanied by a modicum of artistic skill) but places like Midgar or even Fort Condor are harder to imagine capturing the same feeling in high resolution even if an attempt is made to be aesthetically consistent with the original

>>12156312
There's a recent mobile FF7 game that is something of a retelling of the original and actually more or less tries to keep to it's aesthetic, down to the chibi SD characters. Unfortunately it's gachashit because of course.

>>12155720
>The story is too scatterbrained
found the ESL. the story is perfectly coherent and explained.

>>12156218
>>12156647
FF7, and really both FF8 and FF9 as well, just need to a "remake" where SE gets artists to first just literally recreate all the prerenedered backgrounds as best they can as well as the cutscenes. That is one of the main rubs when it comes to these playstation games--SE doesn't have the original files anymore so they cop-out and put the 240p renders through an upscalers and they look like dog water.

>>12153565
it's not like the /v/sphere ever backs up the arguments with substantive points, op's thread included

>>12156763
anon it's 2025 artists no longer exist, they are an extinct species

>>12156225
I don't know man. You're overstating how useful magic is. Having Sabin spam blitzes every turn is better than magic until the very, very end of the game once you pick up W-magic and the like. In fact, Blitzes basically are magic. Using all your spell power level ups and magic damage gear boosts on Sabin boosts his damage for massive single target nukes or screen clearing AoEs. FF6 is basically just the Sabin show for 95% of the game.
This isn't helping the balance allegations or anything, of course.

>>12153004 (OP)
Six (when i played we called it three) is still better.

>>12157021
playing 6 at my friends house in 1999 made me buy FF7 when I encountered it in toys r us the next year as greatest hit. then after I played that I saw that FF8 was already out and bought that, and then 9, and then anthology, and went nuts with other jrpgs on playstation..

damn gateway drug FF6

>>12157029
Playing FF3/6 on ZSNES got me into the series. And yeah, I think 8 was the newest one at the time. Well, that's a lie, actually Chrono Trigger did. It is an honorary FF gateway drug.

>>12156225
You're not wrong in general, though characters are still somewhat specialized through their equipment draw. Some characters are still much better at Magic than others through the fact that their Magic stat is naturally higher and they also tend to have more Magic-boosting equipment, most notably Terra, Celes, and Relm. Other characters have unique weapons like Locke with the ValiantKnife and Setzer with Fixed Dice, which gives them great offensive options that don't rely on Magic. Depending on how you set them up, Edgar and Mog can be either good mages or strong Dragoons while having high defenses. Gau is entirely unique. Really, the only ones that are pretty shafted are Cyan and Umaro.
>>12157018
On the other hand, I actually find Sabin pretty overrated. I agree that he kicks ass in the beginning of the game and he remains good through the middle, and he is by far the easiest character to "max out" in terms of potential once you get to the WoR. However, IMO he's not THAT good. Edgar is pretty much just as good offensively in the early to middle parts while having better equipment for the most part (save for not being able to equip Gaia Gear later on), Mog is better from the point of the game you can grab him until the Floating Continent, and even Gau outshines him so long as you bother to grab the good Rages. In the WoR, yeah, he's an absolute unit once you get Bum Rush, and I definitely keep him around for a while, but once I start getting the good equipment and weapons that unlocks the others' potentials, Sabin begins to take a backseat again, because his equipment draw sucks in comparison to nearly everyone else, and he doesn't have any variety beyond spamming Air Blade and Bum Rush.

Not that any of that matters, of course. FF6 is easy as fuck so you can use whatever and whoever lol just saying, if you want variety, Sabin ain't really it.

>>12157034
i played chrono trigger but only until I got to the "end" time portal place then I think I was confused and didnt "finish" the game, I dunno its been a long time. I loved special non-human party members so Frog and the robot were top tier.

Loved all the ones you could get in FF6 as well.

>>12153004 (OP)
based. for any normal person without mental illness, ff7 is a great all-time game easily.

tifa is the greatest waifu of all time
golden saucer is the greatest location of all time
sephiroth is greatest antagonist all time
aeris is greatest plot point all time
midgar greatest gaming city all time
4th best OST alltime behind chrono cross, ff8, and *insert ur own favorite here*

Hardly the best game of all time, if such a thing exists, but it really was quite good. Shame they managed to capture none of its appeal in the "remake."

>>12153004 (OP)
>And it looks like 8 is when this Final Fantasy thing starts when some fans love the game and it's their favorite but the others think it's 2/10 dogshit
No VIII is the start of games that aren't FFVII selling enough in the west to be worth posting hot takes on the internet for engagement. V and VI are probably the only games in the series I have seen an accepted baseline of "it's good", the 8 bit games in particular are all pretty divisive when people actually talk about them.

FFVII and FFVIII are both games that maybe even more now than 25 years ago have this feeling of almost not being able to believe they exist, just the sheer scope and ambition exceeds games from both the generations before and after and they're both surreal in how they combine realism and fantasy.

>>12153004 (OP)
No shit sherlock
>I played in release order
Retard

>>12157437
What's up your ass?

I'm playing ff7 for the first time (never been a jrpg guy) and holy fuck this guy is filtering me
any tips?
aside from this boss I am greatly enjoying the game

>>12157438
You

>>12153063
You can beat Ruby and Emerald faster and easier and with less set up by simply equipping multiple counter attacks, using 4xCut and multi-hit limit breaks (Cloud, Barret and Cid). Ruby is suspectible to paralysis so you can simply use Dazer items to neutre it

>>12153560
You don't need to steal Elixir. You can dupe any battle use item with W-Item materia. Choose the first item, then when you choosing the second item instead of confirming the target, simply cancel and you get extra item. You can easily dupe Megalixirs, Elixirs and Dazer or any other battle use item you want.

>>12153004 (OP)
>I expected a storydriven '''moviegame''' because people here have convinced me that the gameplay takes a backseat

This is why you don't listen to online retards. Most people who post online tend to have very strong and very biased (and therefore very shit) opinions about things and you should never trust them, especially on a website where half the people pretending to be retards and the other half are actual retards.

>>12157439
Have you tried battling random battles to gain levels and strenghting your materia?

>>12154809
>I mean take this screenshot for example....
That screenshot is from when the game switches from in-game to FMV so it looks worse than usual. Also playing the PS1 version at native resolution on a CRT fixes that.

>>12157439
I've heard this boss is supposed to be hard but I beat it first try with almost no strategy. Wasn't overleveled or anything, was just following the story. The hardest bosses for me were (I want to say 'not counting Ruby and Emerald' but those two were easy because I cheesed them with KotR and Mime like most people)
>that thing that protects the key to Vincent's basement
>Rapps
>Yuffie's father
>the dragon from Gaea cliff
I mean there's also Sephiroth but I went for the superbosses before him so with powerful materia he wasn't hard at all. Level doesn't matter a lot in this game I believe, it's all about your equipment and materia. With two fully upgraded HP+ materias you can even max out your HP before you hit level 70

>>12157779
Nta but for my first playthrough Materia Keeper, Demon Gate, the two headed dragon at Gaea Cliff and Carry Armor were hard ones and made me grind. Hojo at the end of Disc 2 too.

>>12157782
Oh shit right, Demon Gate was also hard, dunno how I forgot about that one. Reminds me of the wall boss from FF4 which was also pretty challenging
>Materia Keeper
I know it's considered to be hard too but I found it to be only moderately challenging
>Hojo at the end of Disc 2 too
Not an easy fight but iirc Proud Clod was on par if not harder

>>12157816
Materia Keeper heals itself, has party wide attack Trine and strong single target attack Hell Combo or something. Proud Clod doesn't have strong attacks while Hojo does and some Hojo attacks cause sleep so if you unprepared, you might end up with your characters sleeping and not able to heal. Of course if you have protection against sleep, you just need heal while at it. Hojo's multi hit combo attacks can work against him though because with Cover+Counter Attack, each hit can be countered.