Thread 3771444

Where all da reanposters at?

>>3771444 (OP)
Certainly not using the fucking catalog.

>>3771444 (OP)
Nice trips Rean.

The nun should have been a playable character in 4

>>3771444 (OP)
ROIDO-SAMA>rean

>>3771444 (OP)
Don't worry, Kai comes out in the West ij January and will bring another wave of Haha posting.

Josette is a top tier unit that is the only one capable of fulfilling her role in the party

>>3771444 (OP)
haha...trista home...

I can't believe how terrible the Calvard games have been.

>>3771658
just continuing the legacy from cold steel

Trails? More like Fails. Shit series LOL.

>>3771444 (OP)
Buy my game!
...It probably will have Rean in it let's be real...

>>3771658
Yeah. The worst part is how the devs have no passion for Calvard. You could tell with Erebonia that they were pretty enamored with France and Prussia and Alsace, but with Calvard they just dumped in modern twitter USA politics and France and called it the day.

daybreak is shit
will trails ever be good again?
I'm worried about Sky remake since it's using that shitty hybrid action system that Daybreak uses

What is the best Trails game and why is it Trails in the Sky SC?

>>3771942
FC because its the game before SC

>>3771942
Because the rest of the series is mostly shit.

>>3771630
They ruined her in Cold Steel giving her long hair.

>>3771942
Trails of Cold Steel 2, followed by 1 and Reverie.

1 got me thoroughly invested in the characters and Erebonia, and 2 was very atmospheric starting with Rean alone in the mountains and then hiking down Toval and going cross country in occupied territory. Reuniting with characters was emotional. The mech duels were climatic. The enemy raiding Ymir and taking Rean hostage felt high pressure. Talking to the enemies humanized them, and then you had the cool and high pressure escape sequence. There was some Final Fantasy Tactics Advance 2 coziness as you got an airship and were let loose to go do some adventuring. Vulcan's suicide was sad. Schmidt was an interesting character, though you get better exposed to him in CS3. The duel with Crow atop the Infernal Castle was climatic, and then you had the final battle in which a hero actually died. Then you had the impactful twist that it was all for nothing, everyone was conned. Evil won. But now the cold war has escalated into a hot one and Rean has to fight for a man he hates in order to protect his people from being destroyed and impoverished by the archenemy. So you have this bittersweet ending where evil won but life goes on and the people adjust. You get a melancholic feeling in the final last outting episode as your friends have graduated ahead of you and moving on with their lives, living an angry Rean behind.

I enjoyed the setting, characters, mechs, combat and character building, and the mechs.

1/2

>>3772039
2/2

Perhaps the runnerup game I liked was Reverie, mainly for the Rean and C main story routes, where you just get undiluted high intensity action, particularly Rean chapter 3 which is the best in the series. Every other Trails game is hamstrung by having lots of NPCs updating and available to talk to, and sidequests to do, which bogs down the pacing. Reverie wisely restricts how many NPCs there are available to talk to (except for any time you can visit Crossbell City) and there are no sidequests during the story. So you get more time spent on plot. It has a climatic final chapter with the threatening of world war, the music in babel, the final confrontation and then C stepping out of the teleportation portal. You also got one last ride through a dungeon being able to mix and match your favorite characters. It could have been the actual ending of the series. I wonder if it will be more satisfying then the ending game we will get in a few years from now.

I also liked the second half of FC for the tension and the plausible secret coup story that was happening, and how party members naturally came and left as their motives and circumstances deemed fit. However, I did not like the top down view at the rocks, the boring kingdom of Liberl, the meh combat and character building, or the boring first half of the game. I also did not like Estelle.

>>3772039
>>3772040
You're an idiot.

>>3771942
SC is where Trails turns from average jrpg slop to bottom of the barrel slop

>>3772046
Trailsturds do be like that.

>>3772039
>>3772040
Great bait.

>>3772039
Based CS2 enjoyer

>>3772250
>All of our character development, growth and leveling up is completely useless because the enemies stopped holding back. We must now all stand here like idiots in awe of how much cooler these NPCs are than the actual characters you spent all this time with.

You know I can forgive a lot of Cold Steel's retardation and bullshit. But this shit?! This is why this franchise can go fuck itself. I have never seen a game series so dead set on making it's playable cast look useless and impotent.

>>3772262
you wanted class 7 to get mauled by MCburn?

>>3772264
Sure. It's the penultimate dungeon. Have some actual fights.

>>3772281
but you did fight him

>>3772282
Not for real, though.

...and when you DO actually fight him for real, the fight ends on a dumb note.

Reminder how in Sky the tech was barely there with wall mounted telephones that look like early 20th century ones and 7 years later in Calvard we have iPhones with Twitter and also cars with modern infrastructure?

>>3772381
Blame that on a bunch of newbie developers who wanted to chase PSP-era trends. Kondo went into that in an interview. A lot of older devs actually didn't like that change in direction.

>>3772381
According to an interview, a new hire who joined after SC has homebrewing his own setting and aesthetics and shared that with the team, and they liked it so that's why Crossbell got the modern urban city aesthetics.

Gone, CS4 killed trails

>>3772264
No. I wanted them to actually kick his ass because they developed worth a damn over the course of of series of games and actually have the chance to shy why they're cool instead of the trails team jizzing themselves over all their super cool antagonists with their MUAHAHAHAHAHA I'M NOT HOLDING BACK ANYMORE!

How does Lloyd's bond option in Reverie work? I didn't get any option to import the actual save file from Zero/Azure, just the system data.

>>3772421
>MUAHAHAHAHAHA I'M NOT HOLDING BACK ANYMORE!
epic

>>3772475
It's been a while since I played it but I don't remember the game ever asking me to pick one, and I only got a scene with Elie. I'm guessing it's either based on link levels or they made Elie the canon romance.

>>3772475
There is no option. He just gets shipteased with Ellie and then Rixia, and that's it.

>>3772491
Rean will pay for this.

>>3772480
>>3772491
Haha... that's our falcom! Remember to buy the SSS bond events DLC!

>>3771942
Azure is the best because of my idiot wife noel

>>3771942
Azure is the worst one because Noel, that retard traitor, ruined it.

>>3772504
She got her comeuppance by getting cucked by Elie in Reverie and also having the most noncommittal final bond event.
>Everyone other girl gets a completely unambiguous "we fuckin for sure"
>Noel is just uhhh i'll get back to you on maybe going on a date once, i guess
She gets what she deserves. Just like Claire!

>>3772262
I like cs2 a lot but the final sequence of
>beat enemy that was built up over 100 hours
>they pant defeated but then suddenly grin and declare “time for my true power!”
>what an incredible aura!
>suddenly just the right insanely strong characters from my side show up to fight them at at full power at just the right time so I can move on
>repeat 3 times
Was gay as hell

>>3772541
They just go too far with it to a point where I wonder what my sorry ass is even doing there if every other character is gonna have the cool moments. Having a villain tap dance on you in round 1 isn't uncommon but it's generally meant to act as a motivation and sense that you go stronger. Ys does this a few times across the series. Hell sometimes if you're good enough you can even win the initial encounter but in any instance you still manage to power up and slap the guy back twice as hard later on.

>>3772594
Yeah you just don’t get a round two because it’s the end the of the game, it’s just rush you on to crow who your party inexplicably loves and is distraught over even though he’s been a literal terrorist for years and to the best of their knowledge murdered the fucking imperial chancellor in cold blood. Despite that he’s treated like a goddamn hero

>>3772594
Being a Trails villain would be a dream job.
>You can pretend to be cool all the time, even if you heroes beat you up in a fight or thwarted whatever task your were supposed to carry out. You just get to stand back up, say "haha, well done" and teleport away while the heroes are frowning and shaking their fists angrily at you.
>No matter how many times you fail to guard an objective or carry out a plan, you will never get fired or demoted from whichever evil organization you work for. Did the secret base get discovered, raided, and blown up while you ran away? No biggie. Did your boss get killed when you teleported away later? All good. Giving away critical information to the heroes? Whatever. Come on back to the airship to chill in the lounge and drink champagne while awaiting the next assignment to volunteer for.
>You get handed obscenely expensive experimental mechs or extremely rare magical artifacts to play around with, with no downpayment or interest fees required. Got that huge mech blown up? Whatever, come on back and get another!
>Is your evil organization disintegrating? Have the protagonists become too powerful? Not feeling your occupation anymore? Good news! You can just change sides! Today you fight B with A, tomorrow you fight C with B, and then the day after that you can inexplicably change to team A. The best thing is, there is zero accountability! You can kill the heroes' beloved family and friends, but the moment you stand with them in one fight, the protagonists will act like you are brothers. No Bracers or cops will try to arrest you for mass murdering their fellow policemen for the lolz or firing artillery at skyscrapers, and whatever evil organization you worked for won't send hitmen after you to close potential information leaks!

>>3772602
...and if all else fails, just wait for the next loop!

>>3772602
If they actually accomplished anything evil then you would have a point. Crow and maybe vita are the only ones who actually did something bad.

>>3772610
>kills the protagonist's brother
>protagonist continues to treat him as a kindly uncle

>>3772616
Yes the cast is retardedly forgiving see >>3772598

Don't forget that Ash shot the emperor (Alfin's father!), the Ironbloods murdered Millium and almost succeeded in killing Altina (with Cedric choking her!), George and the Ironbloods murdered Olivier (Alfin's brother!) and Victor Arseid (Laura's father) and Toval (Sara and Fie's friend). And yet nobody is angry over this.

>>3772610
I mean there is the whole secret evil society of spreading drugs, raising child soldiers and committing general acts of terrorism but I do agree in the sense that nothing of narrative significance has happened for any party in this series. Which is sort of the major problem in and of itself. I can sit her and grouse about the heroes never getting allowed to shine but the villains are generally just as ineffective which makes everything all the more galling.

>>3772598
>>3772618
I don't really need the characters to be out for screaming blood and vengeance. But it would be nice if they at least registered the betrayal as a betrayal. Forgiveness is a virtue but not like this. This just makes them come off as soft hearted idiots. They can understand Crows motives, feel sympathy but still bring him to justice. Not graduation. They treat him like a truant student.

>>3772625
It's a real damn shame that nobody is allowed to have a personality or opinion that might lead to conflict within the group. That might create interesting drama.

>>3772719
Regret about crow fine. Regret about what could have been after year 1 fine. Regret after he is revealed to be an unrepentant terrorist and muderer not fucking fine.
Honestly this is one of the most jarring parts of the trails series is a guy who was knowingly a terrorist, knowingly part of an evil witches cabal, knowingly murdered a chancellor, was suppossed to be a mournful guy for no other reason than he was good at infiltration

>>3771658
Eh, Kuro I is the best intro game of a new arc.

>>3771942
Reverie>3rd>Sen IV>SC>Sen II>Azure>rest

>>3772616
why is your picture small

>>3772738
It's even worse because he's the ring leader. Characters like say Renne who did a lot of bad shit but were victims of things outside of their own power is one thing because they're victimized child soldiers who were forced to do bad shit. There are certain contexts and ways to make villains redeemable. Crowe was not one of them. And honestly even putting every bit of this aside I kind of just hate that he even is the big bad ring leader in the first place. It's just dumb. I know Japan loves their central characters to be super young but it's dumb. I do not buy that he was smart enough to pull this shit off and I do not buy that he was strong enough to pull this all off.

>>3772825
I can buy him being a competent mech pilot (enough to become the NA's Azure Chevalier on the Western front) and a successful spy for Rufus and Vita at Thors who took a train ride to Heimdallr and used an auto-compensatimg rifle to kill a guy standing out in the open. But yes, being the head honcho of a terrorist group at age 19 is a tough sell. There were 12 year old ensigns in the navy ordering men around, but they were on ships of hundreds of men and not at the top. Realistically in CS1 Crow might be a squad leader underneath Vulcan or Gideon.

>>3771769
>modern twitter USA politics
That is wrong; if anything, it is modern Japan down to a T. And I am sad that you are such a hylic, that cannot appreciate a kino about realising how flawed the world is, and how everyone yearns for the new dawn and rebirth of the world.

>>3772909
Racism isn't even a consideration in Japan.

>>3772281
Vita's plan required Rean and Valimar survive. The dungeon and civil war is a LARP.

>>3771658
I don't think they're outright terrible, but definitely a step down from previous arcs for sure.

>>3772862
I just pretend every character in any Japanese media is 20 years older and it’s fine

>>3772946
lol

Remember when Ouroboros were actual villains?

>>3773119
Remember when Arianrhod felt like she had an actual threatening presence? Fun fact: She's the one who recommended that Loewe be given Kernviter.

God, I hate that they took the stupid tragic heroine route with her.

Maybe the most boring JRPG franchise ever?
There is no fighting god / deity in this one.

>>3773271
Trails is in the upper echelon on JRPGs. I would rather play this than Tales of, Atelier, Shadow Hearts, Neptunia, Secret of Mana, Dragon Quest, Blue Dragon, White Knight Chronicles, etc. There are only a few other series that are on Trails' level or higher, such as PS1 through PS3 FF or the Xeno series.

>>3773130
Speak for yourself, as a connoisseur of edge, I love all of her story.

>>3773281
Trailsfags are legitimately slammed on the head as children and this post is the perfect example of it.

>>3773290
Honestly funny how they have a superiority complex over other JRPGs

>>3773293
That's the cherry on the top of this all. People who like shit like Neptunia or Atelier games or whatever other crap still manage to do so with some self reflection and honesty about it. I won't call it a guilty pleasure but they know what they're about. Trails retards meanwhile want to sit their and pretend like this is the greatest narrative and world building since since JRR Tolkien went on a 20 page rant about Scottish Midgets lazing about like every day was Sunday.

>>3772598
IMAAAAAA
WAKARI NO TOKIIIIIIIIII

>>3773287
What does edge have anything to do with it? Her presence in Ouroboros makes little to no sense given her backstory. She has no "inner darkness". She has little to gain from working alongside most of its members. Hell, the story never even goes into why or how Ouroboros recruited her in the first place.

The Erebonian history side of her backstory makes very little sense as well. I understand her abandoning her nobility because she was barren and had no way of continuing the Sandlot bloodline, but what the hell was she doing in the 200+ years between the of the War of the Lions and becoming an Anguis? How did she even know that Dreichels would reincarnate as Osborne? What kept her from taking more immediate actions to stop Ishmelga?

None of my aforementioned questions are answered in a satisfying manner.

And then there's her entire raison d'etra in the latter half of the CS arc. Evidently, her whole plan was to try and win the Rivalry herself and the pull what Rean, Crow, and Millium did in CS4's bad ending; she would sacrifice herself and vanquish Ishmelga once and for all. I used to thing this was pretty dumb on its own, given that Arianrhod had plenty of opportunities to ally herself with strong, well-intentioned characters and go out on a better note. But then Kai no Kiseki happened, and it made her look even dumber, considering that Ishmelga's rise to power meant jack shit for Zemuria's overall future. If the Great Power tried to act up, Laegjarn Chest would just activate and reset everything.

So yeah, I don't like what they did with Ariarhod.

>>3773329
Your biggest mistake is thinking that Kondo, or whoever wrote this shit for him that he okayed, is a good writer, anon.
This series has the worst cultist out of all JRPGfags even before CS, but then CSfags just made it two hundred times worse when you thought it wasn't even possible.

>>3773281
Even the worst Tales game completely mogs the entire Trails franchise, cry about it

>>3771444 (OP)
I want to try at least one Trails game.Is Cold Steel a good point to get into the franchise?

>>3773385
I don't especially like a lot of the Tales of games but they at least can wrap up whatever retarded bullshit they're spouting in one game.

>>3773405
Play Sky. Cold Steel is where all the worst habits really come to head and regardless of how bad shit would get later the Sky games are at least actually pretty decent.

>>3773415
Now Im curious. What do you mean by that? Shity narrative or bad gameplay decisions?

>>3773405
Cold steel works fine as an entry point - the series is chronological, but Cold Steel 1 and 2 are seperate enough from the earlier games (Different country, largely different main cast) that you'd be fine just playing those (though of course some references are going to go over your head). CS1 or Sky1 are the usual starters.

>>3773416
Mostly narrative stuff is what you're going to see complaints about.
The issues largely come in with Cold Steel 4 and Reverie/Hajimari which is essentially Cold Steel 5.
You'll see spoilers for that in this and any other trails thread so you probably want to steer clear of them if you do intend to play.

>>3773416
>What do you mean by that?
This is where they REALLY try to stretch the plot as thinly as possible. Characters fall harder into annoying cliches and very little actually development happens. If any at all. Characters barely have any agency of their own and all exist to orbit the MC in ways a Persona game would call excessive and well... yeah, it's basically a lesser Persona game filtered through a battle harem school light novel.

>>3773405
Ignore the fan cultists like >>3773415 who have been sabotaging this franchise for the past decade. They are all at the bare minimum above average JRPGs. You can't go wrong. Pick whichever one appeals to you the most. CS1 is holistically one of the four stronger first games in the four arcs. Fun combat and character building on hard difficulty. Don't let the name intimidate you. The difficulty is frontloaded but once you grasp the mechanics you can beat the game on hard or even nightmare as your first Trails game. It has very enjoyable characters, cool setting, great OST, above average English dub, and an overall engaging 90 hour long story that only sags a bit in chapter 6.

Sky is only a 50 hour long commitment, and the second half of the plot is very engaging. However, the first half of the story is boring, the combat and character building is unengaging, and it is a top down game where you are staring down at a lot of rocks and grass and dirt. The OST isn't as good. However it is still a very good game.

>>3773445
Yeah, I've heard plenty that Cold Steel is just a generic harem game. Makes me dread getting to it

>>3773385
Eh, I can give the worst "tales of" games credit in that they're standalone games, and thus easy to drop and ignore. But better than the entire trails franchise? Sure trails isn't perfect and has its share of flaws, but I have to disagree there.

>>3773281
You fags are hilarious.

why is this series impossible to discuss
like as soon as anyone makes a thread about it its immediately invaded by retards who shit up and cry about how its the worst thing ever and no one should be allowed to ever like it or whatever

>>3773714
If you were really up for a discussion this shouldn't be a complain in the first place
This is just the nature of this board and 4chan in general

There is still some discussion of Trails going on in regular forums like MMO-C, RPGcodex, RPGhq, Spacebattles, etc. But the activity has been on a wind down since Cold Steel ended. Daybreak 2 came out a few months ago but didn't get much traction.

>>3773714
One side makes insane comments about how Trails is the ultimate video game franchise and will adamantly push this view on every single board, and then the other makes fun of them and they develop a victim mentality.

The series has also been completely fucking awful for over a decade, and the dwindling fanbase has only gotten louder. The current batch of cultists claim Daybreak is one of the best games in the series, when it's very far from the truth. The latest Trails game released in the west has a metacritic score of 68. Even the raging cultist websites like Noisypixel are just done.

>>3773479
>that only sags a bit in chapter 6.
*chapter 3
6 at least goes pretty fast 3 has the fucking horses taking forever just to go around places

Sky stuff

>The first half of the story is boring
This gets thrown around so much but I really never had that feeling while I was playing the game. You're still doing a lot of shit in every region.
>The combat and character building is unengaging
I'd say yes, but also at least in my experience since sky fc was my first game in the series I didn't figure out the system as quickly, so it still worked out pretty well (for example I don't think I started realizing how good earth wall was until SC so I wasn't taking advantage of that at all in FC. You're also in smaller parties for most of it - usually 2 or 3 people at a time as compared to having a full team almost ubiquitously in the latter games - that does have an impact in making even the simpler combat a lot more challenging.
>and it is a top down game where you are staring down at a lot of rocks and grass and dirt
And like... pretty cities and ancient temples and beaches and fortresses and etc all with little details everywhere that you can look for because you can rotate the camera. This never was an issue for me - I like the Sky maps a lot, the loss of camera control going to Zero was a pretty jarring thing that took a long time to get used to.
>The OST isn't as good
That's pretty arguable - it's more a matter of personal taste. Both are very good. There's a lot of Sky pieces - even just from FC - that are favorites. The Zeiss theme for example

>>3773721
It's easy to laud Trails when the competition is near nonexistant. Most JRPG dev teams either disbanded or got broken up or just outright stopped making JRPGs during the 2000s. The Sakura Wars/Valkyria Chronicles team doesn't make turn based JRPGs anymore. Square hasn't released a real mainline Final Fantasy in two decades. Atelier abandoned turn based. Xeno comes out infrequently. Atlus and Yakuza games have niche appeal. Aquaplus has begun dipping their toes into making higher production value 3D turn based JRPGs with Monochrome Mobius, but are inexperienced. That just leaves Trails as the only turn based JRPG series coming out regularly, and they are holistically good as far as providing 100+ hour long experiences with good aesthetics, music, a functional battle system, etc. No catastrophic failures like certain other much more higher profile JRPG releases.

And then as far as serialized JRPG stories go, again little to no real competition. Sakura Wars? The story ended in 4 and then the series was axed by Sega. Suikoden? Konami ousted Murayama and the storyline never reached Harmonia. Visual novels? The genre is borderline extinct and Aquaplus is having difficulty transitioning to higher budget 3D JRPGs to continue their story. WRPGs? GW2's storyline jumped the shark with Icebrood Saga and then had a mediocre conclusion with End of Dragons. WoW? Impenetrable to newcomers, and the game is fundamentally not well structured for the storytelling the devs keep endeavoring to tell. FF14? Writing swerve after Stormblood, the main plot ended, now it is stuck in mediocre writing hell attached to boring gameplay. Gacha games? Some of the stories are pretty decent like Granblue Fantasy, but the live service business model just dilutes the story experience in so many ways as opposed to having box purchase games like Trails where you get all of the characters, there is an actual ending for each game, etc.

>>3773714
>why is this series impossible to discuss
Because there is quite literally NOTHING to discuss about it. It is one of the most shallow over written over long game franchises ever made. Falcom has done nothing but pad out an already stock standard story and set of characters for over a dozen games now and between all those titles there's enough actual meat and potatoes to fill out maybe a third of that in terms of meaningful content. There is nothing to say about the series and even the alleged FANS of the series just want to use it as the same lunatic friend simulator that other crap series do or they want to gush about OMG TOWA!!!

>>3773727
>Square hasn't released a real mainline Final Fantasy in two decades
Yawn. Pretending that X was the last "real" game is retarded.

>>3773727
The rest of the genre being sparse isn't a reason to claim that garbage is good merely because it exists. I'm not about to pretend like Eiyuden isn't one of the worst games I've played in years just because we haven't gotten a real Suikoden.

>and they are holistically good as far as providing 100+ hour long experiences with good aesthetics, music, a functional battle system, etc.
They're not! And maybe if each title wasn't trying to be 100 hours of mediocre to bad fluff and instead actually focused on telling a decent and proper story with decent and proper characters we might have actually gotten somewhere a long time ago but we've been stuck in a rut to were the franchise as a whole has become stagnant and has remained stagnant.

>>3773727
It's easy to laud Trails when you have no frame of reference because it's the only JRPG you've ever played in your life. Many such cases, actually. That's one side of the coin, and the other is the absence of critical thinking skills.

I love Towa

>>3773731
And an unusual tolerance for low effort, exploitative annual copy-pastes with DLC that would even make Capcom and Activision frown. They're making EA and the Train Simulator devs proud.

>Real Video Game Player Posts >>3773423 >>3773723
>/vg/ Shitposter No Lifes Posts >>3773728 >>3773731

You CAN tell the difference, can't you?

>>3773746
I can tell that you're one of the aforementioned fragile cultists with a victim mentality.
>trails good
>everything else bad, didn't play btw lol
This is you.

>>3773561
i would sooner play tales of the tempest twice than ever touch this franchise again tbqfvh

He deserves an award for the amount of butthurt he has caused /vrpg/

>>3773754
We're laughing at him and not with him, anon. There's a big difference.

>>3773754
I know your a retarded newfag so this is going to sound surprised. When we complain about a series we DON'T LIKE it's not butt hurt. Call a retard a retard is just that. You retard.

>>3773764
>I'm not butthurt, I just can't close my anus anymore guys!!!!

>>3773769
>if you don't swallow my nihongo shit sandwich that means you're butthurt!
Falcom's no budget, no effort Activision. They shit out copy-pasted games annually that suck complete and total ass, and you slurp up the shit-flavored goyslop. I was going to say that Trails is no budget, no effort MCU, but it's more accurate to call it no budget, no effort Channel Awesome Battle Royale.

It's so funny that the series actually has a vocal cult that actively shills and defends it and gets mad when there's opposition to their delusions and low standards.

>>3773754
He's the Japanese Randy Pitchford.
Nobody unironically likes him here. We just enjoy laughing at his retardedness.

>>3772541
This shit happens in every single Trails game.
I think Falcom are completely incapable of writing a villain that doesn't "lose" a fight, reveal they were holding back the entire time (bonus points if they then effortlessly btfo the protagonists in a cutscene) and say something cryptic about "The Plan" while chuckling and teleporting away. I've never bothered with the games after Sky for this reason, especially since people say it gets even worse after Sky 3rd

>>3773723
word of advice: don't take anyone who says Sky FC is boring seriously. You don't play that game for action, you play it for a comfy roadtrip experience.

>>3773830
In SC you beat everyone at the end. You break Bleublancs mask and force him to run away, you make Luciola an hero, you beat Renne and talk no jutsu her into running away. And you beat Loewe without him holding back. And Weissman too.
All 3 Sky games are like this. Hell you beat fake full power Cassius in 3 too.

It's only Lorence in FC that does the meme at the end.

>>3773830
Ys games will still let you turn the tables and push the enemies faces in so it's not Falcom on the whole but something the trails side is doing intentionally.

>>3773832
>Muh comfy
And there's the absolute BS excuse. "Nothing's supposed to happen! It's immersive!" It's bullshit.

>>3774075
NTA but I’ve had this conversation before. I’ll go
>But there is lots of stuff happening
And then I’ll list out the lots of stuff that happens in the game. But then you’ll go
>That Stuff is BORING! that doesn’t count!!!
And then the goalposts are moved so far away that they’re not even worth talking about anymore because it’s stopped being a conversation about objectivity and it’s just you saying
>I don’t like it and that makes it bad
Over and over again - which I can’t change your mind on but is still the furthest thing from actually looking st the game, and then I stop responding because it’s a waste of time and the. You say
>Oh you stopped responding huh? That means I win! And that means everything I have to say is objectively true!

>>3772743
Kuro 1 sucked. Calvard is significantly less interesting than Erebonia and Almata were lame villains.

>>3774387
Let's elaborate a bit for the sake of clarity. We'll, for the moment, concede that yes, "THINGS" do happen. The pressing and major issue however, is that even when "THINGS" did happen, it wasn't typically something that was worth waiting an entire trilogy OR LONGER of games to justify. Nothing in any of this games has been worst the time cost investment. There has been nothing new, interesting or original enough to make any of this worthy. Every plot point, character arc or twist has been so agonizingly routine that most other RPGs would have resolved this before a certain number of disc swaps. The extended run time did not benefit any of the characters, story and trying to say it was all for "world building," which is the common praise, shows a hilariously dull understand of how that works because it's world is a kitchen sink where new technology is introduced almost whimsically with the only explanation being "LOL ORBAL" as if that fucking means anything. This is not comfy. It's boring. It's shallow. I wouldn't be surprised if there was some edit in here were you could truncate a lot of the bullshit and make something half decent but as it is it's just not good.

>>3774451
Nigga he's talking about one fucking game - Sky FC. Can you get the cocks out of your face so you can read the thread properly next time

>>3774456
Skytards can't comprehend or process complicated thought. They only reflexively react.

Failsfags are completely delusional and think the Sky FC remake will do well when it's a remake of one of the most dull JRPGs ever made and also has the garbage combat of the latest game that received 68 on Metacritic.

>>3774456
The THREAD is about the whole franchise. What you want a prize because you managed a single game that did the minimum level of mediocrity?

>>3774471
Combat is one of the few things Calvard has going for it. The Sky remake will probably do okay. It won't look like an old game that is anathema to zoomers and alphas, and it will have that cartoony Mihoyo look that is in vogue ATM.

>>3774477
The combat is Daybreak is a major step back from the previous games. Even Sky SC has better combat and progression. They stripped away basic mechanics from past games in Daybreak and added an extremely barebones Tokyo Xanadu-tier action combat system. It also looks like an early PS3 game.

>>3774474
dude you can't even read the things you're responding to. No wonder you can't follow a plot

>>3774479
They need to revert to the Reverie combat system and improve on it. The Calvard arc was a financial failure. The solution to the problem isn't more coomer DLC.

>>3774484
>The Calvard arc was a financial failure
Source? From the napkin math (Falcom based in Tokyo and has 60 employees ($2.8 million USD per year), sells a $60 game each year every year with at least 50k copies sold domestically in Japan alone (cut 30% for platform fees and another $10 for returns), not including back catalog sales that get a boost every time a new game comes out) = they are making a profit off of week 1 Japanese sales alone, not including back catalog sales or Asia and the West.

>>3774487
Falcom is the source. All their games, including Ys X, have underperformed. Kai is the least successful Trails games since the PC exclusive Sky FC in 2004.

>>3774489
>moving goalposts

Falcom needs to lay off Trails for a while and go back to some of their other forgotten series

>>3774492
Not my issue that you're unable to accept Falcom's word. All their games have severely underperformed since 2020. Their latest Trails game dropped to 45k sales, and Ys to 44k. It's a steep decline.
>b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-but they don't spend any money on their games!
True. And their sales are declining.

>>3774487
We doin' this shit again? Here's your (You).

>>3774494
You called it a financial failure, meaning that they lost money. Lookup the dictionary nigga!

>>3774497
They did. Daybreak is a brand new game on a brand new proprietary engine. It's also the least successful the series has been in over 20 years.

>>3774496
>Never even break 3k on steam
Damn I know this series is niche but not THIS niche.

>>3774499
Haha, funny that this port of a Nintendo Wii game from 2009 did better than all of Falcom's games...

>>3774502
technically a port of a PS3 game from 2012
Lying about it doesn't help you anywhere anon

>>3774508
Nope. The PS3 port is visually identical, but with with a higher internal resolution. The port has new content and was localized. That's about it. It's from 2010, by the way. Insecure, aren't we?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvGakkAdyU0

>>3774508
I don't think that's a major of a distinction as you'd like. It's really still very much beside the point.

>>3774511
>The port has new content and was localized
right. Which is in the steam game.
so that's the version that got ported to steam/switch/etc, not the 2010 version.
See the big F in the title? - they made this easy for you to understand but you sucked anyways

>>3774521
That is the 2010 version, idiot. Falcom moment, lmao.

>>3774522
if you can read your own post (which you've shown a couple times before that you can't) the localization only happened in 2012 - that is the version that was ported. In 2010 that hadn't happened yet - that's why it took a year and a half to release it. It's the 2012 release that was ported dipshit

>>3774529
You're completely retarded. The Nintendo Wii version was ported to the PS3 less than a year later, and that's the one that was remastered, and thus a Nintendo Wii game outdid a Falcom game 16 years later. Falcomite levels of intellect on display.

>>3774531
This is a common Falcom L. They also earnestly try to rationalize PS2 games looking better than 202X Falcom games with the "smol indie dev pls understand" meme.

>>3774534
Who gives a shit how it looks? They're clearly low budget enough to make a new game every 1-2 years, and that's a good thing. All devs should be forced to work on budgets and deadlines that low, developing for low-spec hardware, until they learn how to work within such constraints.

>>3774577
They just copy-paste the exact same game 2 - 3 times in a row and charge you full price + the goy tax. They look like ass, play like ass and have terrible writing. Falcom is an exploitative company.
>until they learn how to work within such constraints.
Falcom doesn't know how to. The "low-spec hardware" would be the Switch, however, all their games look and run like absolute fucking ass on the system. The PS5 and PC versions look bad. The Switch versions look BAD. Falcom does nothing well. Nothing. Except exploit a bunch of retards year in and year out.

>>3774470
>>3774474
learn to read retards

>>3774599
those clouds look pretty good

>>3774748
Truly amazing. The color of the grass isn't even consistent. There's a giant seam visible. Classic Falcom.

>>3774749
>doesn't know what distance fog is

>>3774751
Not something that exists in Falcom games. They're simply low effort.

Any trails fan who consider erebonian arc the best needs their eyesight and brain tested.

>>3774753
>when you wear the giant cat-head skin that you paid for as an optional cosmetic
Bruh

>>3772909
ah yeah, modern Japan. As we all know, "modern Japan" has a massive "white supremacy" problem

>>3775012
>paying for cosmetics at all
I remember when this shit could be earned through side quests.

>>3774497
Falcolm doesn't even write their own games anymore, it's all outsourced. That definitely strikes me as a sign they aren't making money.

>>3773415
I love the game but Sky SC is when the series' faggotry starts rearing it's ugly head. Padded out the ass and full of copy paste chapters with a villain of the week. Cold Steel 3 is Sky SC but worse because there is quite literally NOTHING to look forward to that entire game that makes up for the shitty copy and paste chapters.

Haven't played Hajimari yet.

>>3775020
It has a massive “Japanese Supremacy” problem. Please be literate enough that you can take metaphors out of the game

>>3777570
>watching some german retard kid go on about how cool tachis are and how he totally can't fight with any other sword.

Why did they make the main character so overpowered?