Who's the richest person in Fallout?

>>3772786 (OP)
Excluding politicians of course. You could argue Elder Maxson is the richest based on "net worth" because he's a dictator, but how do you calculate that? Genghis Khan ruled all of Asia yet he slept in a tent. Khan could be considered rich but it gets blurry what's state property and his property.

>>3772795
it was a pretty fucking nice tent dude.
The guy was not uncomfortable

>>3772786 (OP)
Any player character that knows how to "additem f"

>>3772786 (OP)
Who has the most friends in Fallout?

>>3772795
mongol tents are nuts

>>3772786 (OP)
Elijah if you join forces with him.
All of that free real estate? Just imagine, limitless nothingness without a single freeloading waster as far as the eye can see.

>>3773128
President Eden

>>3772786 (OP)
pic related is the wealthiest character in the game unless you the player grind out 10 million bottle caps

>>3773128
by friends you mean party girls? Dukov

>>3772786 (OP)
Mr Bishop from New Reno or some NCR cattle baron

>>3772795
>google Genghis Khan's tent
>pic related comes up
wtf, why is his tent is nicer than my condo!? I should've been a Mongolian warlord

>>3773246
>richest person
>a rancher
Ashur is the CEO of Pittsburg's steelyard and you can see how large his operation is. A rancher just shovels cow shit for 20 caps. I bet he doesn't even own slaves because he's an NCR citizen.

>>3772786 (OP)
WHO WON THE LOTTERY?!
I DID

>>3773519
How is being the CEO of an eastern ironworks corp more profitable than being CEO of a western agriculture corp? I'd imagine burgers are in far greater demand than steel in the Fallout market

>>3774025
The labor is cheaper, bullets are in high demand, and they practically have a monopoly on steel. Meanwhile anyone could just start a ranch. Does Andrew Carnegie ring any bells?

>>3772786 (OP)
The NCR soldier that Cass sleeps with in the end slides.
Money is not the only kind of wealth.

>>3773519
>>3774406
Maybe I'm misremembering. But iirc Ashur does not even sell the steel. He just gives the steel to his Brotherhood of Steel friends so they can build more power armor suits and robots and vehicles and such

>>3773519
>wealthy industrialist slaver
>named (((ishmael)))
What did Todd mean by this?

>>3774652
>The NCR soldier that Cass sleeps with in the end slides
Whoop-dee-doo, he scored with one lone cowgirl on one single occasion. Meanwhile the game heavily implies pic related sexually dominated more than 60% of the females residing in the DC Wasteland before you even escape Vault 101

>>3775070
>What did Todd mean by this?
You're asking the real questions anon so I'll spare a moment to provide you the real answers. Characters like Ishmael Ashur reveal reasonably solid evidence implying Todd Howard was cleverly aiming to spark a perpetual Lore debate amongst Fallout players that World War 3 never would have even occurred in 2077 if not for pre-war Jewish meddling, or that the world would've recovered into a glorious utopia by 2277 instead of a hazardous wasteland if not for post-war Jewish greed, or both even. However out of fear of his higher-ups crucifying and castrating him, Todd Howard knew he could not afford to run the risk of being too on-the-nose so exercised a relatively substantial degree of subtly in his attempt to name the Jew ingame. If he had taken a more reckless approach instead here it is obviously a safe assumption that Todd Howard today in 2025 would have zero moneys left and zero fingers left because the Jewish fatcats would've spared no expense at ruining his life forever in order to make an example out of him

>>3772795
Nigga, there's your grandaddy's piss and beer stained motheaten burlap sack tent and there's a tent with gold plated plumbing, wifi and a motherfucking swimming pool.

>>3775093
Todd...
I forgive you.

>>3775093
brotherhood of jews is just a hold over from a canticle for leibowitz autism
totally justified autism tbf that book rules

>>3772786 (OP)
>How did he become so wealthy in a wasteland with no economy?
>Because, uh....he just did! Okay?

>>3779254
>discover intact hotel
>become a landlord
>???
>profit

>>3779254
He's British, that's all the explanation Todd provided us in regards to his mysterious vast unlootable wealth

>>3774997
interesting. Do you have proof they don't sell their steel?

>>3781854
Hellsing. Kabaneri of the Iron Fortress, I Am a Hero

>>3782125
ops wrong thread

>>3772795
>was elected
>dictator
Retard

>>3772786 (OP)
Charisma 10 + Magnetic Personality Chosen One, because the real treasure was friends we made along the way

>>3784018
And the millions you made from having them carry all of the loot.

Crimson Caravan, HQ in California, literally prints new bottlecaps. They objectively have the most wealth by virtue of controlling the currency. They might have underground facilities on par with the Institute or Vault Tec, for all we know.

>>3784723
Not free. You still need scrap metal to print each cap

>>3772848
>>3773131
>>3773277
>>3775155
>UM UM ACTUALLY GOOKS WERE SMART AND SHIT
Yeah fucking right. Grow up.

>>3784755
Bro I'm not even an Asian or a weeb or whatever but only a blind miserable fool would suggest Genghis Khan was not the most successful gook who ever lived. The man was pure based. First of all he bred with more women than every 4chan user combined. Approximately 1% of planet Earth's human population alive today can trace their lineage back to Genghis Khan. Hell even I might possibly be descended from the kang given how he retired in what is now modern day Hungary and I happen to be 12% Hungarian by breed myself. Secondly he truly got to live the dream by having nothing but good times 24/7/365 with his warrior bros raping, pillaging and BTFOing all of Asia. And third his name lives on today. Centuries later everybody still remembers Genghis Khan, maybe some wannabe-intellectual bimbo chicks you meet in bars are under the impression Genghis Khan was a Jap and not a Mongol sure, but he is definitely remembered. He he will not be forgotten, one of my favorite Fallout fan theories is that Fallout is actually correctly predicting the future in the sense that even after nuclear bombs inevitably obliterate the entire Northern hemisphere irl, Genghis Khan will continue to be remembered. Post-apocalyptic humans irl in the future will almost certainly name their raider gangs in a fashion that honors Genghis Khan. The Great Khans are not just a fictional RPG faction. The Great Khans are literally our future bro

t. own a 10/10 luxurious playerhome irl but spend about 6 months per year living comfortably in tents

>>3784788
New Vegas should’ve had horses like Oblivion or Skyrim. The Great Khans being a group known for their horses would’ve fit their Mongol aesthetic perfectly.

>>3785344
The Khans in Fallout 1+2 were mostly known for being rapists and slavers.
>>3784788
>can trace their lineage back to Genghis Khan
That isn't actually true.Sharing the DNA doesn't mean that they are descendant from him since most Mongolians already did share it before Genghis Khan.

>>3785814
>rapists and slavers
Vgh just like their Mongol ancestors

>>3772786 (OP)
Mr. House gets a cut of the profits from the biggest tourist destination on the planet with the largest customer base on the planet. If larger Casinos/Resorts existed in NCR territory women wouldn't make the journey with ten thousand caps to such a remote location, so it must be a big deal. He spent 812,545 caps on salvage teams for the Platinum Chip, which is the biggest explicitly named expense in the franchise.

If house is excluded as he's classified as an abomination, ruling out other ghoul/robobrain candidates for normal humans. Alistair Tenpenny seems to have some money, but considering how few tenants he has, even if they're loaded, can't be making that much money. The Cabot family's income is unclear, but it's certainly a priceless artifact if we're factoring in net worth.

Heck Gunderson is a contender, but only being able to afford a one thousand cap payment isn't a vote of confidence for his wealth. Elders in the brotherhood don't really have ready access to the surely valuable materials of their chapters.

If we're strictly going with humans, Caesar has clear control, and support, and far more slaves than someone like Ashur, whose steel is arguably not particularly valuable.

>>3786111
Plus New Vegas is actually safer and cleaner than New Reno.

>>3786111
The steel isn't that valuable,but the ammo is.But yeah Caesar would be far richer.

>>3775093
Rothchild is just way too on the nose, it's not a common surname at all, an invented one from a few centuries ago in fact, with the spelling changed ever so slightly. Then Ishmael Ashur & Daniel Littlehorn are in the mix as well. Much like Fink in Bioshock: Infinite.

>>3772786 (OP)
Obviously Mr. House, whether it be in pre-war dollars, post-war currencies, technology, resources, or means to further said wealth. Not to mention snowglobes.

>>3773649
Yeah, smell that air!

>>3784755
>>3784788
WRONG, gooks are Southeast Asians w/more predominant Denisovan DNA, chinks are Northeast Asians w/a bit of Neanderthal DNA, or Chinamen more specifically. Based post about Genghis though, he didn't know he retired in Hungary, any more lore on that?

>>3786239
Fallout 3 has gnostic themes too.

>>3772786 (OP)
Me after I get kicked out of all of the casinos in New Vegas with a 10 luck skill and I sneak out all of the gold bars in the Sierra Madre.

>>3786353
>Fallout 3 has gnostic themes too.
Name three.

>>3786353
I am curious what you mean here. Are you referring to Vault 101 as a Plato's Cave allegory, or perhaps something to do with Mothership Zeta? Do the Waters of Life refer to the Firmament?

Does anyone remember searching for Fallout 4 leaks before it came out & coming across a video with a rather unique graphical style purporting to be early gameplay footage at the time? It was before TheSurvivor2299.

>>3786239
>Be average DC wasteland resident
>live in a humble pod (if you're lucky enough to not live outdoors in radioactive mud)
>forced to eat bugs for survival (unless the bugs eat you first)
>never heard of toilet paper
>have nearly nothing
>happy to be alive though
this definitely seems to fit the world building

>be a Rothschild in the DC
>live in comfort and safety within the glorious Citadel
>the food is healthy. quite delicious too
>plenty of underling servants eager to wipe your shitty asshole desperate to gain your favor so they can hopefully rise up the ranks in your tribe
>have almost everything
>secretly unhappy. even suicidal too perhaps
Todd definitely knew exactly what he was doing. Fallout 3 is based

>>3786111
>Heck Gunderson is a contender, but only being able to afford a one thousand cap payment?? WHAT GIVES?
Perhaps he would've paid the Courier a fair wage of 812,546 caps for saving his son's life, but most of Heck's money was in California. that way if he gets robbed in Vegas he doesn't suddenly go broke overnight

>>3787438
nta. Your father literally dictates Bible verses to you 5 minutes after the character creator for starters though

>>3784755
Thanks for dropping this shit bomb you race baiting shit poster

>>3787882
Tranquility Lane is pretty on the nose with it. Doctor Braun acts as the demiurge torturing people and forcing them to reincarnate over and over again into a world he controls. The only way to end it is by preventing Braun’s victims from repeating the cycle which is done in the game by activating the failsafe which kills the vault dwellers for real, preventing them from being reincarnated by Braun again. Braun/The demiurge loses when he has no more souls to torment for eternity.

>>3786239
>Daniel Littlehorn
>"One with a heart as black as yours deserves to be rewarded for it. We shall include a bonus in your pay this time. Enjoy it"
I didn't even realize he was Jewish until now. I figured he was supposed to be an avatar of the Anti-Christ given he has pic related painting of Hell framed in his shack, combined with the odd fact that he seemingly wastes all of his money purchasing the ears of deceased good karma bros

>>3788147
>Your father literally dictates Bible verses to you 5 minutes after the character creator for starters though
That has nothing to do with Gnosticism though
>>3788213
Here’s something at least

>>3788147
>>3788213
Solid points, who were the writers for those characters and quests? If Kirkbride was a consultant for example, I could see some really eye-opening allusions like that being completely intentional.

>>3788405
It's likely that Emil Parmigiana meant him to be an Anti-Christ figure, but the argument could be made that having an army of accountants, plotting behind the scenes, paying mercenaries with a military structure to do your bidding, his biblical first time, & his essential/unkillable status only being due to his role as a perk sidequest reward provider point to a more worldly evil...

>>3789326
first name*

>>3788405
>Jacob Rothschild and Marina Abramovic (lady Gaga’s mentor) posing in front of “Satan Summoning His Legions”, 2020

Any other gnostic or otherwise particularly aware moments in the Fallout series? The Psykers are an interesting element, although I don't see any direct tie-ins to more significant concepts.

>>3788758
>That has nothing to do with Gnosticism though
It does. In Fallout Lore the Holy Bible was not authored by God. The Demiurge wrote it to exploit and troll humanity by impersonating God

>>3789358
>pic related
Whoa what an intriguing coincidence there how Jacob Rothschild has the same hairstyle and same elitist smug-asshole attitude as pic related. Makes one wonder if Jacob Rothschild has essential NPC status irl or not... What happens if you smash Jacob's skull repeatedly with a sledge hammer and shoot him with dozens 5.56mm assault rifle rounds right after you slip an active hand grenade in his pocket? Does Jacob Rothschild just go unconscious for 30 seconds then shrug it off waking up at full health as if nothing happened? Has anybody tried this to confirm?

>>3790282
Vaultpedia says he's essential, & drops Good Karma Ears.
Apparently in terminal entries in NV's Lonesome Road DLC there's a pre-war character mentioned, US Army Specialist Alan Rothchild who's in charge of a wastewater treatment plant for some reason.

https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Saint_James?so=search
https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/The_Coyotes
https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Dermot%27s_ledger

>>3790403
>Rothchild
>Good karma ears
Somebody needs to mod Fallout 3 so that you sell lootable foreskins (lootable clits for females too bc it'd break immersion looting foreskins from girls) to Daniel Littlehorn instead of selling him lootable ears. I can definitely see it being an essential mod for very evil karma RPs

Billy Creel also drops good karma ears oddly enough. Because sexually grooming small Asian children to be your servile concubine daughterfu sluts counts as good karma in Fallout Lore? idk why. Either way I kill Billy Creel almost every playthrough because it creeps me out that he only has one eyeball God I hate that guy so much, absolutely disturbing

>>3790575
>"Also keep SJ off the girls as even fiends dont want used goods"
Beggars being choosers

>>3790575
Dermot's ledger lists they only got 2,500 caps for all their hard work in the slaving industry. So 1,250 caps each assuming it's a 50/50 split. That is not even enough to gain entry into the Strip so definitely not anywhere close to rich by Mojave standards. With that little money, they can only get 4 turns with Sweetie each who costs 300 caps to plow, they'd be better off getting off on their own cunny supply. these inbred Coyote retards do not know the first thing about economics or how to run a business

>>3789358
Is it just me or does John Maxson from Fallout 1 also resemble Jacob?

Is this the Emily Ortal schizo thread again?

>>3790792
>Is this thread based?
Sorry no I'm not the OP regretfully. Maybe next week sport

>>3790902
Your threads were weird...

>>3790909
Your post is weird!

>>3790971
https://youtu.be/tsdPCRevpL4?si=Vwg7UVWNr_pisdne

>>3773277
Where do you shit and have sex?

>>3790792
>>3790902
>>3790909
QRD?

>>3791077
Lore chad? Sort of like the board sheriff. And mayor too when, the need arises. Etc.

>>3791077
Some schizo anon that makes weird Fallout (and possibly other games?) threads and posts.
I first noticed him way back when when he did one thread about Emily Ortal from NW.
It's as best as I can explain.

>>3791077
>>3791108
https://arch.b4k.dev/vrpg/thread/2937769/#q2937769

>>3791115
Hello FBI suck my butt!

>>3791103
>>3791108
>>3791115
Interesting rabbit hole.
Lore Chad, if that is your real name, do you have any insights on the gnostic or otherwise occult/esoteric/spiritual & kabbalistic elements of Fallout? Ignoring the surface level Lovecraft allusions unless there's something more there of substance.

>>3791207
>Lore chad
That's my name. don't wear it out
>Gnosticisms
>Occultisms
>Esotericisms
>Spiritualisms
>Kabbalisticisms
iirc I have made pertinent statements of opinion about all those secret elements you mentioned within Fallout ITT already. I'll disclose more insights later as discourse continues probably

>>3791065
Ghengis Khan had sex wherever he wanted, constantly.

>>3791161
Is it cute? Don't answer that, we know it is.

The layout of Tranquility Lane was meant to look like the bhavachakra.

>>3772795
>but it gets blurry what's state property and his property
this is the reason all them fucking ayrab oil kings are never on the richest man in the world lists

>>3791115
i remember this thread, it was weird

My initial guess is Mr. House, but everyone's only talking post-bethesda. What about the Interplay titles?
Off the top of my head New Reno must've had some pretty wealthy gangsters (perhaps not the wealthiest though), or some hubologists?
How much wealth did the Master manage to accumulate?

>>3784788
Genghis Khan never saw Hungary, you retard. Those were his subordinates that invaded the West, and failed.

>>3784788

>>3772786 (OP)
>richest person
Nobody has mentioned any female people yet. I think Sweetie deserves an honorable mention ITT. She obviously isn't the richest NPC in the franchise but might be the richest lady NPC. Run the numbers. It only costs 300 caps to do her, but assuming she entertains (on average) 20 clients per day that adds up to 6,000 caps per day so she's enjoying a comfy income of approximately 180,000 caps per month! Meaning over 2,000,000 caps per year even after Pretty Sarah claims her cut

The Crimson Caravan company has a monopoly on bottle cap presses.

>>3779591
but what does he eat

>>3786111
it just makes trannies seethe that he was far more influential than napoleon or alexander

>>3789358
>Marina Abramovic
hey that's the lady that let randos publicly fingerblast her

>>3790792
I'm the OP. I make threads only about virtual economies. Any threads about arbitrage, barter, gambling, or stocks are mine. Whenever I play a game I like, I always try to figure out how to get the most money possible, which is my version of autism. I watched a video that tried to calculate the earnings on New Vegas casinos and found it to be shit. It's shit because the YouTuber doesn't understand hospitality economies, but also because the devs don't either. These casinos couldn't function considering how broke your average wastelander is. It's like when the fags on here question where NPCs get their food. No slots? No event space? Not even a strip club entry fee???

I just needed to ask the autists on here who the richest people are in the Fallout universe. Clearly, very few people are wealthy, which means these casinos cannot turn a profit. I think we can conclude New Vegas casinos have to be retconned in a New Vegas remake.

Video in question. I'll give him props, he has a better understanding than most people, and he's just a NEET. He even called out the lack of slots and insane costs.
https://youtu.be/SqFrh1Zni0I?si=cGX2b6dtnhMXV27v

>>3791708
There should be plenty of wealthy people who would be willing to travel to New Vegas, the question is why not just go to New Reno? The immediate answer to me, before the war against the Legion, between the battles for the dam, & after the events of the game, is that Mr. House would maintain a safer & cleaner city than the New Reno Families. As for who would be wealthy enough to afford to travel for vacations to experience luxury, vice, & try to turn their wealth into easy fortunes:
Legion Plantation Owners
Legion Merchants
Legion Mine Owners
Legion Citizens (Retired Veterans)
Legion Frumentarii (as Spies)
Enclave Deserters/Remnants
Brotherhood Deserters
Shi Merchants
Shi Aristocrats
New Reno Families
New Reno Merchants
Vault City Residents
Ghoul Businessmen
NCR Brahmin Barons
NCR Political Class
NCR Merchants
NCR Caravan Companies
Slavers Guild Remnants
Psykers
Gamblers & Grifters
Mormon Merchants/Missionaries
Hubologists
Cult Leaders

>>3791708
What really kills the immersion is the shitty loot from NPCs on the strip. Pretty much everybody on the strip you kill should have over 2,000 credits the player can loot (except for the guys who use passports, or the ones who already lost their life savings gambling) because the they're not allowed inside unless they can pass the 2,000 cap credit check

As for making money in FNV, one of the best methods is to kill/loot all the unnamed NPCs in the BOS bunker but leave the named NPCs alive. Wait 72 hours and then repeat

>>3791806
You forgot Chet

>>3792065
The best way to make money in NV with glitches/exploits is to abuse caravan. You can give NPCs more money, allowing you to double your money each game. In the unpatched game, you could also abuse the glitch that let you trade in infinite caps at the Viki n Vance casino. Either one should get you billionaire status.

Without glitches/exploits, the best way is to abuse repair kits on armor/weapons. Ideally, you'll trade it for items that are weightless. Weightless valuable items are basically currency. Merchants are poor, so you'll probably give up before ever reaching 1 million caps.

>>3791806
I don't really see a lot of trade in the Fallout world. Your chat gpt list is pointless if those people aren't wealthy in game. Businessmen exist, but they're always broke. Not just broke in a gameplay stance, I mean these NPCs are homeless. The gun runners sleep on a mattress under a fucking bridge.

>>3792278
List was all me, but good point.

>>3791516
If she had that much money she wouldn't stay a whore, she'd have a nice apartment in the Strip.

Me.
In every single game.
>Fallout 1
Caps are a static resource in trading
>Fallout 2
Print money by gambling
>Fallout 3
Just collect a bunch of gears then sell them to the guy wanting gears (i have no idea how much money he has, but he is definetly printing caps)
>Fallout 4
Sell bottled water
>Fallout New Vegas
Do a shitty heist for some gold and gamble until you get kicked out of every casino.
I am the richest motherfucker in every game.
I am the Commonwealths Federal reserve and treasury in FO4.

>>3792531
>she wouldn't stay a whore
Sweetie likes being a big whore even more than she likes making big money. This is Vegas we're talking about baby and she is the Queen of Vegas which explains why every resident of Westside has radiant dialogue drooling in obsession over her. Men want to fuck her and women want to be her, Maude especially seethes in jealous rage of Sweetie since Maude makes at best about 2000 caps a month (provided her back doesn't give out)

>she'd have a nice apartment in the Strip (surrounded by violent power-hungry Omerta gangsters)
Sounds like a high IQ move, establishing her player home right next door to the Gomorrah sex slavery guild would be a very wise decision

>>3792278
>The gun runners sleep on a mattress under a fucking bridge
The gun runners like Isaac who work at the HQ have houses. The gun runners like Alexander who work the 188 Trading Post probably get some manner of bonus to their paychecks for running field operations and probably own homes elsewhere that you can't visit ingame. Not to mention if you're too much of a squeamish wimp to sleep on an outdoor mattress the gun runners hiring branch would have zero interest in you as an asset (and not just because shitty company optics)

>>3791498
>Metal Gear Solid 2 was right
Seriously? Really?

>>3792688
>i have no idea how much money he has
over 6.3 million abouts

>>3792094
Even the guy who warns you about the deathclaws in Sloan has been to Vegas and gambled.

>>3792964
He also warns you not to gamble in Vegas

>>3792688
Checked. Based if true, fellow prospector professional, based if true....

>>3793056
Easy Pete was so close to being one of the richest prospectors in the Mojave if those youngsters across the river hadn’t snatched his suits of APA and T51-B. Karma caught up with them though.

>>3793072
His dialogue is intentionally vague, he may have got prospected those suits of APA and T51-B. He just doesn't go around advertising how wealthy he is because he doesn't want to paint a target on his back provoking thieves to rob him or niggers begging him for a loan etc. So probably the richest black man in the Mojave region

There were some interesting insights in this thread, especially regarding gnosticism & the invisible hand. I'm running a Qst (a collaborative choose-your-own-adventure), with dice rolls built into the website, essentially fulfilling the role of a DM. I would love to get some new players over onto the /Qst/ board, especially those who have contributed worthwhile discussion here.

Fallout: The Broken Shore, is a Qst I took over from the original QM due to them flaking, but it just so happens I had been working on an extremely similar setting as theirs, so I took over. Fallout is the basis of the setting, but I incorporate other post-apoc elements, iron out the lore to make the pre-war world make sense, & throwout any Bethesda-isms or other aspects that I don't care for & aren't conducive to coherent worldbuilding. I'm also including more esoteric pieces, whether they be beyond political or metaphysical.

Influences include Metro, Stalker, Waterworld, The Road, Ashes 2063, etc.

The parlay has gotten down to brass tacks, what's on offer from the surface-world sailors. Is it worth selling out your vault, or should you drop the ruse? Drop a vote, & feel free to catchup, only one thread before this one (linked in the thread) & we're about 200 posts in.

>>6271299
>>6271299
>>6271299

Bad formatting, my bad.
>>6271299
>>6271299
>>6271299

Fuckit, just go to the /qst/ catalog if you're interested & scroll down to Fallout: The Broken Shore II.

How do Tenpenny & the residents of his tower even make money if they're mostly closed off & don't actually provide anything of value?

>>3789606
Fallout 4 has a couple references to Jack Parsons that I can remember off the top of my head. Parsons creamery and Arcjet which is a reference to Aerojet which was founded by Jack Parsons. I wonder if the Repconn headquarters and test site in New Vegas had themes related to Thelema considering Parsons worked for Hughes who Mr. House is based on and had his ashes scattered in the mojave desert.

>>3800144
>Tenpenny & the residents of his tower
>don't actually provide anything of value
Anthony Ling sells valuable clothes. Chief Gustavo and his team provide valuable security, and also sells valuable weapons and ammo. Idk who owns the robot in the Federalist Lounge but his owner provides valuable alcohol. Lydia sells valuable general supplies. Margarete sells valuable food. Susan Lancaster provides value as a high end escort for dozens of men. Mr.Burke does valuable odd jobs for Mr.Big. Doctor Banfield sells valuable medical supplies and provides valuable medical services. Others like Herbert Dashwood are just wealthy retired seniors who moved into an upscale neighborhood to settle down in their golden years

If you let the ghouls run the neighborhood Tenpenny Tower will stop providing anything of value to society. Unless you count shitting on the floor, snarling like untamed beasts, stinking up the place, reinforcing stereotypes and spreading disease/death to be of value

>>3801006
They SELL all that, but do they make it? Where do they get it from? I can't imagine they all run around scavenging.

>>3800692
Interesting stuff, was Hughes a Thelemite as well? Wasn't aware Jack Parsons was connected to him.
>>3801006
Agreed on the Ghouls, but like anon said, they don't produce anything. In fact, it would only make sense if they were the biggest customers for Paradise Falls in the area & ran everything off of slave-labor that powered their manual crank generators, hydroponics, edible mutant farms, etc. in the underground tunnels below the tower.

>>3784723
Caps are not legal tender by that time in the West. Mojave is a shithole. It's like declaring some Amsterdam shipping company the wealthiest in the world because they print Syrian lira to supplement their operations in the Middle East.

And even beyond that, control of the currency is not infinite wealth, as you are always fairly limited in what you can do with it without devaluing it all to hell.

>>3784723
>Crimson Caravan, HQ in California, literally prints new bottlecaps
Do they? FNV is a bit vague about it. It sounded like she was very pissed off about locals easily printing caps whereas the Crimson Caravan has to do hard work for earn caps. I've always wondered why Alice ordered the courier to destroy the Vegas cap making machine instead of seizing it in the name of her company... Makes it seem like she's honestly damned concerned about wasteland inflation

>>3801430
iirc she says it explicitly if you ask her
crimson caravan issue new caps when necessary, usually because some were destroyed
theyre partnered with the major powers of the day, so theyre the ones allowed to do it, and only in specific quantities
its all the guys that are doing it on their own, illegally, that are the problem

>Makes it seem like she's honestly damned concerned about wasteland inflation
she is
NCR back out west by that time are pretty much purely on fiat NCRbux. problem is, outside of NCR turf, noone uses fiat, they use caps. so if you wanna trade east of NCR, you need caps.
now what happens if those caps get massively devalued due to counterfeiting?
it makes trading outside of NCR turf basically a lost cause. youre losing on both ends, the buying AND the selling

>>3794519
It’s either him or one of the random black commissioned officers in the NCRA if I had to guess. Many of them would come from stable/affluent families with wealth. Plus they are actively receiving officer/hazard/deployment pay/benefits. Easy Pete is drawing down his wealth.

>>3786111
Even if there's someone in the NCR with a scrooge mcduck fortune and money swimming pool, Caesar has to be richer for them in assets. The entirety of the Legion is his personal property which includes tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of human beings.

>>3802525
>same-fagging
I thought about it more. I doubt Easy Pete makes the top ten. Realistically the rack and stack of negros would be:
1. Unnamed black Brahmin barons gambling on the Strip. Probably a few of them.
2. Ambassador Crocker in terms of government pay/benefits and the fact he likely has a lot of wealth independent of his office as is common with Ambassadors.
3. Black Commissioned Officers in the NCRA. Would likely be what a dozen of them in theater?
4. Easy Pete
That *seems* about right.
The bigger thing I noted is that it surprises race is still such a thing in the Mojave by the time of New Vegas. I think it’s unlikely they wouldn’t have formed a new mixed race like what happened broadly in Latin America by the time you get to 2281.

probably some institute jew

>>3803208
Perhaps however I would still argue Easy Pete is blacker than all the other names you listed. If this thread were about who is the blackest person in Fallout he'd damn sure hold the crown

>>3803988
Can't compete with Eulogy Jones in wealth or sub-Saharan behavior, basically a Nigerian Prince enslaving all his neighbors for the White Man (Tenpenny Tower/Pennsylvania). Daniel Littlehorn may even play a role as the Yahud middle-man, the ship owner in this analogy.

What the fuck *IS* a G.E.C.K?
Okay, seeds, instructions, basic crap, what the fuck does it actually do? Does it obliterate the rads from the air?

>>3804253
From the Fallout 1 manual.

>I am forgotten
>>3804177
>>3803988
>checked

>>3804434
Had a cookie recipe too right

>>3805094
That nigga don't count, he be lightskin (Creole)

>>3804434
So the G.E.C.K. is the same technology as the Sierra Madre Vending Machines? Star Trek Matter Replicators? Sci-Fi Elemental 3D Printers?

>>3805450
>So the G.E.C.K. is the same technology as the Sierra Madre Vending Machines? Star Trek Matter Replicators? Sci-Fi Elemental 3D Printers?
It was just fluff from the manual, I’m sure they didn’t put much thought into it. They also had dessert recipes.

>>3805115
Yeah, and the Fallout 2 manual had pancakes.

>>3805094
>Van Graffs
>Von Graf
Momma Van Graf is German

Outside of dictators, I would say Ashur is likely the wealthiest, with Mr House as second (assuming he won).

Ashur has a steel factory monopoly and hundreds of slaves. If the disease is cured, his slave population will be able to grow naturally, reducing overhead costs even further. His goal is to expand Pittsburgh and arm his soldiers. It's unclear if he is selling his steel or armaments, but I will count it as assets. This massive wealth is comparable to Andrew Carnegie or Alfred Krupp. Coincidentally, the Pittsburgh steel mills were originally owned by Carnegie. It was very profitable due to the large coal resources in the area as well as the extensive railway system.

Mr. House is practically running an asset management company. He takes a cut from all casino profits, 2,000 cap entrance fees from each tourist, and 50% of all F&B sold in the city. After winning the war, he controls both a robot army and an electrical grid. Electricity is a monopoly, and his army defends tourists. He's not like anyone in history, but America has electricity monopolies to this day. It's not as profitable as steel, or at least in a Fallout setting, but it's value comes from the power over others. As an old world billionaire, I'm sure he understands how to further grow his investments beyond tourism. Before the bombs, he used to build computers, military equipment, rocket ships, and robots. With his advance knowledge of industrialization, it is likely that he will become the richest person in Fallout.

>>3807469
>Outside of dictators
>Ashur
>Mr.House
These 2 already are dictators (autocrats)

>If the disease is cured
When? On the 12th of Never?

>2,000 cap entrance fees from each tourist
You mean 2,000 cap credit check. Entrance fees are different from credit checks

>Old World billionaire
Being a billionaire after 2050 is like being a millionaire before 2020

>Before the bombs, he used to build computers
True he can do the computers

>>3807469
>>3802696
>Caser's wealth which includes tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of hungry human mouths to feed and maintain
>Robert's wealth which includes tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of indefatigable robotic soldiers who never tire or get hungry or experience fear or etc
Which is worth more "money"?

>>3804177
Interesting that people say Eulogy Jones is the biggest nigger in the Fallout franchise. it's ironic because his bro Grouse I find to be twice as much of a fucking nigger than even Eulogy Jones himself. I say that as a compliment. I fucking love Grouse, he is a great, fun very realistic character for the setting of a post apocalyptic slavers guild. Grouse may even be my favorite NPC in Fallout 3 the nigger was based I love how his name rhymes with grouch so I always enslave Red for him because I feel like I owe him a favor for giving me the Mesmetron. Grouse gleefully says he has very special plans for her when you capture Red so it seems to be a very fair trade, cute jailbaits for a POV lasergun. ultimately characters like 40, Eulogy and Grouse's wealth depends on the actions of the player. if your playstyle involves enslaving as many NPCs as possible (and/or killing lots of Regulators) all of the Paradise Falls slavers will be better off financially. Grouse would certainly feel far wealthier if you enslave Red so to speak

>>3807469
What if the NCR or Legion or the Yesman (Courier) drinks all the water like pic related? Wouldn't it be wiser to let House manage the water economy seeing as he's actually a legitimate experianced economist? Chief Hanlon even tells you he misses looking at lakes because the NCR drank ALL the lakes in California. It makes no sense to hand Lake Mead over to the NCR because they'll just drink it like the last 105 lakes they drank. With House in charge New Vegas would not need to worry about running out of water at least

>>3807543
Thanks for clarifying that detail about the credit check versus entrance fees. I never realized submitting the 2000 caps was practically free. Regarding your other points, I think that Ashur and House are not dictators because they have no government. They're certainly autocratic leaders, but I think these are economic free zones. To me, New Vegas is similar to Disneyland. Disneyland has its own rules, guards, and takes a profit from everything sold. That didn't make Walt Disney a dictator. Ashur's Pitt is closer to a government, but it's just a steel mill. He doesn't actually control Pittsburgh or collect taxes. For that reason, I would say they're both acting more like capitalist leaders than a government leaders.

As for the importance of being a billionaire, I mentioned it because it proves he understands industrialization. This is a concept we can all attempt, but it takes a true genius to master. Mr. House likely had robots automating his factories and supplied the world with his goods. Once the game ends, Mr. House is left with a robot army and a lot of electric power. I assume he will eventually find his roots and industrialize once again. Quite frankly, he could be the Fallout version of J.P. Morgan if he plays his cards right.

>>3807709
From a moral perspective, the NCR has a much greater need for water and power than Mr. House. The resources would be directed toward farms, which would produce food to feed the starving population. In contrast, Mr. House aims to use these resources to establish a monopoly. This situation is similar to how the Kings control the local water pump solely to charge people, whereas the NCR would distribute water freely to help those in need.

>>3807733
Checked but what if you have to charge for water or else face the very sad inevitability of huge mobs of greedy cavemen hordes hoarding AND drinking all of the water within a century? Isn't that an even bigger moral dilemma?

>>3807729
>detail about the credit check versus entrance fees
>I never realized submitting the 2000 caps was practically free
Yes and the average (lootable) NPC on the Strip should carry an average of 2,000 caps. Meaning half the tourists you loot should have less than 2,000 caps (unlucky gambling addicts, chem addicts, sex addicts, alcohol addicts, food addicts, nuka addicts, etc) and half should have more than 2,000 caps (lucky gamblers, rich niggers, etc) to better represent Credit Check Lore through game mechanics and to give honest rewards to evil karma players willing to do anything to get rich I.E. kill & loot every visitor you meet on the strip. it'd be pretty based to kill 20 people on the Strip and average 40,000 caps at the cost of karma. you should sometimes just get passports instead of caps while Casino staff and NCR Troopers "stationed" on the Strip carry an average of 100 caps ideally

It should have been like that at launch and somebody really needs to make a mod for this

>>3772786 (OP)
According to my assessment?
>Mister Holdout is worth over 500,000 caps
>Heck Gunderson is worth over 2,000,000 caps (NCR money?)
>Chief Hanlon is worth approximately 100,000 caps (NCR money?)
>Ambassador Crocker is worth approximately 1,000,000 caps (NCR money?)
>Sweetie is worth over 200,000 caps
>Maude is worth about 17,000 caps
>Jimmy is worth 45,000 caps
>Prostitutes enslaved by Omerta mobsters are worth 0 caps
>Nobark Noonan is worth approximately 842,000 caps (maybe more)
>Jean Baptiste and Gloria are each worth approximately the same as Nobark Noonan (if not more)
>The Garret Twins have a combined worth of about 2 or 3 million caps
>Doctor Hilderns is worth 120,000 caps at the very best (far more than most NCR doctors)
>Old Lady Gibson is worth about 38,000 caps
>Cachino is worth almost 1,000,000 capperinos
>Fantastic is worth 498 caps
>The King is worth over 400,000 caps (this number is estimated to grow rapidly after Hoover Dam round 2)
>Veronica is worth 300 caps
>Booner is worth 700 caps
>Cass is worth almost 1,000 caps
>Easy Pete is is probably worth over 60,000 caps
>Eulogy Jones is probably worth over 600,000 caps
>Benny is worth more than every NPC on this list combined

>>3808030
Just divert the Colorado River to California and use it for farming crops. Water can also be harvested from rain and wells. If anyone creates a mob, shoot them early before it gets out of control. The Colorado won't run dry so there's no moral dilemma.

>>3772786 (OP)
How much cocaine and sugar and other addictive ingredients did the government allow in Nuka Cola in the prewar days during manufacturing? What about Nuka Cola Quantum? Isn't Nuka Cola Quantum supposed to be 10 times as addictive as regular Nuka Cola? Sounds valuable especially if you also hoard rum. A smart way to diversify your wealth is start a Nuka collection. I bet Sierra Petrovita is one of the wealthiest women in DC

>>3807683
Agreed on the character of Grouse, he's as abrasive as he should be, solid writing. That said, one detail you seem to have missed:
Grouse & Eulogy are not brothas' from anotha' motha.' Grouse is the son of Harmon Jurley, the Cannibal who used to run the Slavers in-between Argyle tearing out Penelope Chase "The Black Widow"'s heart & Eulogy taking over as the Pimp of Paradise. So Grouse's dad oversaw the Wrangling of Rockopolis, & when he was deposed, Grouse got stuck on guard duty because Eulogy knew no-one would back up the son of a crazed cannibal who ate all the slaves they couldn't sell quick enough. Explains why Jones wears red & Grouse wears a shade of blue too KEK

>>3808080
The Colorado River is also running dry IRL due to overuse in desert states.

>>3808079
Highballing Holdout, Sweetie, Maude, Jimmy, Garretts, Baptiste & Gloria (though they are increasing their wealth rapidly through secret deals)
Lowballing Gunderson & Eulogy
Benny, Marjorie, & Nero should all have a similar level of wealth, as should Swank, Mortimer, & Big Sal, followed by Cachino, Garretts, The King, etc. The Van Graffs don't have gambling up & running yet, or territorial control of Freeside like the Kings, nor chem-production, so they aren't raking in nearly as much.

>>3808379
>I bet Sierra Petrovita is one of the wealthiest women in DC
Ironically, you're actually very close. Ronald Laren has one of the best caps exploits in the game. He will buy every Nuka-Cola Quantum you have in your inventory for 80 caps. With the Quantum Chemist perk, every 10 Nukas will be converted to 1 Quantum. If you maximize your Nuka collection, you'll be able to make several thousand caps. Even though you could sell the Nuka-Colas for more, it would be more efficient to sell vendors ammo since it's weightless. With the Scrounger perk, you should have too much ammo to sell, making bartering pointless outside of buying more Nuka-Cola.

So yes, Nuka-Cola is basically gold (in Fallout 3). The only catch is that he won't buy them for 80 caps forever. It's best to collect Nuka-Colas casually as you play and sell them to him when you're ready. For some reason, Ice Cold Nuka-Colas aren't affected by the Quantum Chemist perk, so I usually store my liquid gold in a locker.

I’ve always felt that Clanden was just the tip of the iceberg of what really goes on at Gomorrah.

>>3772786 (OP)
Mr. Man, by far.

>>3809036
Like the Weinstein of New Vegas? Bit of a sacrificial lamb at a lower rung of depravity compared to others?

>>3772795
Sovereignty over property.
Like Stalin could walk into anyone's home but they couldn't do the same.

>>3807729
?
Capital and the state are really one and the same…interesting you bring up Disneyland you should go read Jean Baudrillard‘s ruminations on that.
This is similar to how people didn’t understand how to analyze the mega-corps in the Outer Worlds. “The corps act just like governments!” Yes that’s the point.

>>3805481
It was still likely to be pretty advanced tech. Vault City is the result of having on on hand. and you get a glimpse of New Arroyo post-GECK. Maybe not Sierra Madre or Big MT tier but better than some of the stuff the BoS was hoarding in Lost Hills 2161

>>3809545
>tips fedora
>"eh you're wrong"
>doesn't explain
>changes the subject to atheism

>>3779254
He's a tech scavenger and relic hunter, probably sends most of his stuff back to Europe. Did you even do You Gotta Shoot Em in the Head?

>>3809724
>Tenpenny Towers is a trans-continental export hub
Never would have thought of that. Where do the Point Lookout Smugglers come into it?

>>3809601
?
I said explicitly:
“Capital and the state are really one and the same.”
As the opening statement.
I further noted that the French philosopher Buadrillard had an in-depth analysis on the subject that also uses “Disneyland” as a point of reference.
The ending further reinforced that point by way of point of comparison with a similar discussion in another RPG.
I’m not sure why you think I “didn’t explain?” I’m more than willing to do a wall of text to further explain if you in good faith wish to continue this discussion.

>>3809972

>>3810087
MisterCrowley.jpg

Speaking of, what's up with Crowley? He's listed as having Evil Karma, he's a clear reference to the notoriously malicious occultist, & yet his motivations seem to be based purely on revenge, with a dash of greed on the side. He was locked in with ferals to buy time for the others to escape, while Tara was either killed by ferals or a robit. Dukov had other prosperous ventures, as did President Dave, while Tenpenny forgot about the whole venture due to his general boredom & apathy. Strayer died, so his son got his key from his old belongings. No Ghoul-haters involved beyond Tenpenny's usual disdain for everyone, so it isn't even a racial conflict. It just doesn't add up that he has these evil vibes but purely personal machinations, unless he's supposed to have nefarious plans for once he gets the T-51b armor in question.

>>3810092
I... I don't know.

>>3808495
>Mr.Holdout
Why? Who is he competing against? Didn't he kill off all his competition? Seems like a smart business move. Does he pay a lot of tax to Caesar, The Omertas, President Kimball, The White Glove Society and the House? What's Mr.Holdout's tax policy? I assume his tax policy to be something like taxation is theft maybe
>Sweetie
She makes over 1,000 caps in a typical day. Doesn't take very long to build up fat wealth at that rate
>Gunderson
Doesn't the Kimball Administration steal half of his income?
>Eulogy
Eulogy Jones doesn't keep 100% of the profits that his operation brings in though, some of those caps go towards the rest of the dozens of slavers guild members too. He's rich by local standards but not by Vegas standards
>Jimmy
He has no competition. At all. If you fill the niche of craving gay twinkie BBC Jimmy is your guy, your literal only option in town. Nobody else is willing to do his job
>Maude
She has been a prostitute for nearly 100 years by the time you meet her. she presumably has some humble retirement fund saved up by now
>Garretts, Baptiste & Gloria
idk desu. maybe best to just kill them every playthrough for good measure

>>3810092
>Speaking of, what's up with Crowley?
>It just doesn't add up that he has these evil vibes but purely personal machinations
He's a fucking zombie! You think he has noble intentions that he needs the T-51B Power Armor to accomplish? Guess again. Ghouls can't be trusted! After procuring the armor he probably first plans to go to Little Lamplight and brutally rape all of the cunny there... Without sympathy. The rapes would be so fucking savage and merciless that they'd make even Eulogy Jones blush and it would not surprise me if Mr.Crowley decided to turn them into Ghoul slaves after he was grows bored of molesting them. Next he'll probably aim to murder (and canabalize) every smoothskin in DC. or something even worse!

>>3810184
>[Mutationist Trait] "He's a fucking zombie! You think he has noble intentions that he needs the T-51B Power Armor to accomplish? Guess again. Ghouls can't be trusted!..."

(Speech Check Passed!)

Yeah, you're probably right, fuck ghouls. Zombie genocide best day of my life.

>>3810205
If the Brotherhood were smart they'd send in Lyon's Pride to exterminate everyone in Underworld to claim all their riches

>>3810092
Weirdly enough, Dave whispers about ghouls in his sleep.

>>3811602
>Weirdly enough
That's not so weird. The weird thing is that Dave is one of the only characters who has nightmares about Ghouls. Realistically 99% of human NPCs should be sleeping like President David