Tales of Festival tomorrow. Hopes and Fears ?

>>3776491
Hopes: game
Fears: no game

>>3776491
>Hopes
Xillia or Abyss remaster announcement
>Fears
New mainline announcement that looks bad

>>3776526
>Xillia or Abyss remaster announcement
This would be the most boring shit. If they try to shill abyss to me I'll genuinely be disappointed. Probably moreso then if they just announce another gacha-cashgrab that'll go out of service in a year.

>>3776491
>hopes
a new mainline game i guess
>fears
they don't announce anything or they announce a gacha

>>3776381 (OP)
Tales of Symphonia 2 guy is me. Monster raising was fun I made some insane party memebrs

COURAGE IS THE MAGIC THAT TURNS DREAMS INTO REALITY!

Psst! Hey, /vrpg/...
COSH-045

>>3776381 (OP)
is radiant mythology 3 good or something?
i played the first one for 10 minutes or so today but it didn't seem that special.

>>3776600
Depends on what you disliked about RM1. The structure of the game remains the same throughout the series, and the game engine is also re-used (also for Tales of Innocence DS inbetween RM1 and RM2). RM2 and 3 are just beefed-up versions of RM1 essentially. More characters, better stories, more skits, more content in general, slightly improved/tweaked battle systems.
For whatever it's worth, I didn't like RM1 much at all but loved 2 and 3.

>>3776603
i mean it's probably too soon to say whether i like rm1 or not yet.
i thought the tutorial fight was kinda funny mostly due to my character's battle animations.
i picked thief so my character swung their weapon in a flimsy way. it's hard to explain but it looked weak like it shouldn't have hurt the enemy.
it is just a psp game though so i can't be too hard on it.

i guess it's some kind of au game like world of final fantasy or something.
that can either be fun or grating but i've only seen chester and he seemed fine.

>>3776526
You don't like how Arise looked? Cause it's the only highlight of the game and they're recycling the shit out of it for the next 10~15 years.

Post THE worst piece of art in franchise history. Yes, THAT one. The Stahn one.

>>3776653
"Looks bad" as in the game, as a whole. Not literally as in the graphical fidelity.

やった!

Do we know if Arise's budget was higher than Vesperia's? On one hand that game had daddy Microsoft's money, on the other it has been 17 years hasn't it? I'm currently replaying it, up to the spooky ghost ship on our way to Desier and I have to say, even though I always ranked it pretty high I had forgotten just how well made the party interactions were. Everyone bounces from each other perfectly, there's not a single dull moment. The cities are neither too big nor too small to explore and get a feel for their 'theme', the soundtrack's as good as ever (that bass). While not perfect and not my favorite, I have to say it's possibly the best example of the Tales game that feels the most 'complete', and it'd be hilarous (read: hilariously sad) if newer titles did less with more.

>>3776762
>Do we know if Arise's budget was higher than Vesperia's?
Not with how badly the script editing starts to fall apart later on in the game.

It probably had a bigger budget than Graces and Xillia, though.

>>3776765
I had to read the text in your pic like five times and even then my brain's melting, who the fuck formatted that

>>3776491
>Hopes
Nothing
>Fears
Nothing
We all know Talesfes is just VAs doing skits. Summer Game Fes and Xbox Showcase are the only hopes we have and even then it's looking grim.

Tales is dead....

>>3776765
Arise and every other game developed between 2020 and 2023 suffered from the pandemic

>>3776810
Yeah? That means even MORE money was spent. Developers are paid in salaries, and that means the more you delay a release, the more you spend on paying them.

>>3776812
These games are all given deadlines and there's been no mention of Arise being delayed. Its pretty obvious that the game was pushed out before it could finish baking in order to meet a particular fiscal year.
That's why the 2nd half is so rushed and other obvious things like the notably worse AI customization and extremely limited enemy roster even for Tales of standards.

>>3776813
That doesn't mean a crapton of money wasn't spent on it.

>>3776816
All I'm saying is that Arise and every other game in that era got hampered by IRL circumstances, so its difficult to claim if that was truly the result of them going over budget.

>>3776809
Even Code Vein is more Alive than Tales now LOL

https://x.com/talesof_evinfo/status/1931149105536913731

>>3776852
WHAT THEY EVEN GONNA TALK ABOUT ???????? MULTIPLE TOFs AND THERES NO NEW GAMES. NOT EVEN A GACHAS
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

>>3776855
Tales Fests are basically just live skits/performances, and excuses to sell merchandise.

>>3776855
Tales fes is basically just for fun, nothing serious ever gets announced there

>>3776852
what are they dressed up for? why is dhaos there?

>>3776765
Let's be honest, writing is hardly the most expensive thing in a game. Stuff like graphic fidelity and HD assets, actor moccap and cutscenes are SUPER expensive. I don't like Arise either, but even the Skits are 3-D on this game.
Sure, they are clunky and I prefer the older style 100% but there's no way stuff like that is less expensive than literally gifs and 2-D images in loop.

>>3776856
>>3776857
They used to show updates for Rays every year, tho. Now there's nothing to show besides VAs, Rays is dead, Luminaria died FAST.
They rarely announce games there, but being the 30th and having nothing on the current table...

>>3776882
>what are they dressed up for?
They're exploring an island.
>why is dhaos there?
Because why not?

On that note, if they have Morikawa there to play Dhaos, why did they not have him play Eizen while he's at it?

>>3776893
I was saying that Vesperia definitely had a smaller budget than Arise.

I think my pick for most "complete" Tales game would probably be Destiny DC. I can bitch about the late game dungeons all day long, but I can't say the game cuts any corners.

>>3776903
The PS2 era is definitely when both teams had the perfect management of both budget and execution. It's weird how cheap Xillia and Zestiria were in some areas.

>>3776904
Legendia says hi.

>>3776906
Legendia wasn't made by either team so it doesn't go against what he said

>>3776906
Technically not a real Tales team game

>>3776907
Okay then, Symphonia's crappy PS2 port says hi (and then proceeds to ruin every subsequent port with its technical shortcomings).

>>3776903
>I think my pick for most "complete" Tales game would probably be Destiny DC. I can bitch about the late game dungeons all day long, but I can't say the game cuts any corners.
The PS1 version was better

>>3776913
Not in the mood to argue with contrarians.

>>3776919
the story is much worse in the PS2 version. They made the characters worse as well. You also get a music downgrade, awful voice acting, and shittier dungeons.

>>3776936
>Awful voice acting
>PS1 FuReeAa ToLuNeeeighdo
>NepPa SenPUuUHUHHHjiN
>EKussplouuoudo

That's just in battle, and just Stan. Half of his lines don't even sound like the same character.

>>3776910
>"sixth generation was the best time for Tales in terms of perfect management of both budget and execution for new games created"
>OH YEAH WELL WHAT ABOUT THE PORT OF AN ALREADY EXISTING GAME TO AN INFERIOR HARDWARE PLATFORM HUH
Are you retarded or merely pretending

>>3776893
he doesn't care he just wanted to insult vesperia

>>3776852
Hatless Chat is cursed.

>>3776852
Today's secret guest is Klarth.

about 10 hours into hearts ds.
wow, kajitani-eizan is really hiding a masterpiece from you guys (lie).
i feel bad for anyone who's waited 15 years to play this and will continue to wait, while it's not a bad game it sure is typical tales fare and the party so far is about as one-note as it gets. the battle system is of course nu-tales MASHMASHMASH NOTHING COSTS A RESOURCE SO JUST MASHMAHSMSAHMHSAMHSA nonsense, have had a few close fights purely out of getting statchecked but had enough apple gummis to deal with it...
still it's entertaining enough. very middle of the road. one thing that strikes me whenever i play a tales game is that as a franchise it's probably got the blandest npc writing out of any big jrpg series.

seriously, as soon as they stopped hiding spells for characters behind "did you talk to npc 5 in room 19 of building a" like in phantasia, it's not worth interacting with anyone lol.

>>3777042
>one thing that strikes me whenever i play a tales game is that as a franchise it's probably got the blandest npc writing out of any big jrpg series
>seriously, it's not worth interacting with anyone lol
Wrong!

>>3777042
>bland npc writing
picrel.
he says there hasn't been any reason to ring the bell lately so it's been boring.
later on (as you know) there's an incident and he rings the bell.
the village is attacked and everyone present in the village dies, including the bell ringer.

l man what the fuck is she singing in this talesfes

Are we getting any games news?

>>3777079
>News
LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>3776381 (OP)
Talking about Hearts DS, this n*gger STILL hasn't finished the Hearts patch. It's literally been 15 fucking years. Reaching GRRM levels here.

maybe someone else will randomly release a patch for it like what happened with persona 2 ep psp

cress' and jude's jp voices make them sound younger.
the eng voices sound older.
eng cress sounds like he's a 30 year old rugged warrior or something.

>>3777042
You must simply learn the joy of mashing

symphonia's gameplay is its weakest point but the game is the best way to experience it.
the ova and manga cut too many corners to recommend them over the game.

>>3776589
>COSH-045
holy shit that you sir

>>3777102
Where do you even hear English Cless? The OVA? Radiant Mythology 1? As for Jude, he has one of the least believable ages in the franchise. Nevermind the dub VA, even his job as a doctor is fucking wild. Dude's meant to be 15. FIFTEEN. At his age I was jerking off and watching anime.

>>3777111
>english cless
gba game.
but i should also go check out the ova to see if they gave him a different eng voice.
and radiant mythology i guess.
i've just been playing it in jp so i wouldn't have to worry about all the voices being different or bad.
dotnw soured me on experiencing tales stuff in english.

>jude
i could believe him being 15.
it's a fantasy world.
but i get how it would be unbelievable.
i probably just watch too much anime/play too many anime games.

>>3777113
>gba game
O-oh, right... I tend to forget that absolute masterpiece exists. He's voiced by Johnny Yong Bosch in the OVAs aka Guy from Abyss and everyone's favorite Emil from DotNW

>>3777115
that might be okay but i should check out his performance for myself.
even though jyb tends to use the same voice for all his characters with similar inflections end emotional ranges.

>>3777113
>>3777111
I thought at the start of the game he was still a med student, not a full fledged doctor.

>>3777094
He was always a retardes otaku trash pretending to translate the game to get attention. Not different from cj iwakura with Megaten games.

>>3777177
Hard to have enthusiasm in translating shit games. Look at how much people railed on Gideon Zhi for not giving much of a fuck about SMT if until they actually played it and realized it was a shitty asset flip.

>>3777180
he held it hostage for years because some fags were mean to him online

>>3777180
Then don't work on it then? I never understood why someone would work on something they fucking hated just screams self-defeatist

>>3777184
Holding what hostage? A shitty, unfinished mess of a ROM hacking project? Get real. Besides, you know for a fact the odds of someone else actually wanting to work on that stuff is slim. When SMT if's translation started, open source translation projects hosted on GitHub weren't a thing.

>>3777186
Most people DO drop those kinds of projects. And oftentimes, projects that take ages to finish only eventually come out because no one else is interested in completing them.

>>3776919
>newfag expects everybody to argue with him instead
sasuga

>>3777190
I didn't pick up Tales until like 2009 when I emulated Phantasia on pSXFin, and that's still probably earlier than most people on this thread. Nice try, though.

>>3777188
>i'm sick of it because all of you are assholes!
>no, i won't hand it over to someone else! it has to be me!
>i don't want attention or anything!
>it's all you guys' fault!

>>3777193
Don't kowtow to choosing beggars. Ever.

>>3777193
>"THAT'S why I haven't given any updates on it, and why I haven't worked on it: thanks to all the niggers, I can't stand to look at it. You're welcome."
Bit harsh innit

>>3777197
he was a faggot.
yes, the smt community was shitty in general.
we had lots of elitists and still do.
some smtfags WERE mean to him.
but he was just acting like a faggot over it.
he lumped everyone in together.
there are a lot of cool smtfags too which was probably true back then too.

>>3777201
Anon...

>>3777205
if he didn't want to work on it why not give it to someone else?

>>3777208
you're right, i don't see IT.
whatever that is.
either work on a project or don't do it.
don't just insult EVERYONE and say they're the reason you're not working on it.

>>3777209

>>3777211

why do the alvein fighter recruits all wear bandannas if it's not a rule?

>>3777281
Why not?

>>3777206
>if he didn't want to work on it why not give it to someone else?
You really underestimate the amount of people who seriously have the time and/or patience to work on a translation patch even if they had all of the tools and technical know how. Translating the text is the easy part.

>>3777295
maybe.
but thing with translation groups is when they start working on a project, it's "theirs" and no one else is allowed to work on their own translation for that project.

>>3777301
>but thing with translation groups is when they start working on a project, it's "theirs" and no one else is allowed to work on their own translation for that project.
No, other people can pick up the project if they want to, but simply opt not to do so. Popular anime/manga series, especially back in the day used to have multiple translation groups working on them.

>>3777303
what about video games?

>>3777306
Only a handful of people actually give a shit to translate games and they're all friends that crossover, so chances are the one translation group you see is probably the only one that actually exists.

>>3777308
there are still some who would look down on releasing a translation when someone else is already "working" on a translation for that specific project.
there's going to be some type of drama if someone decides to make a translation patch of their own for a game that already has a translation in the works.

>>3777188
>>3777180
sorry kaji i didnt mean to upset you with my post

Life Bottle will translate it after Phantasia X. Forget that useless trash.

>>3777330
They have a list of other games to use over Phantasia X.

Threadly reminder Abyss is peak

>>3777350
Based

>>3777350
I never paid attention to that. Cool stuff.

>>3777362
Cumore looking rather zesty. Also goddamn Tear's bazongas barely fit the screen.

There are things about Tales I like, and in the moment I generally enjoy the ones I've played. But I don't think I've ever had one I replayed where I didn't suddenly realize how absolutely retarded it was.

18th game tomorrow

No announcement of new game name because the Anniversary title is Abyss Remake.

>>3777377
nah
more BoA promoting her concert tour

>>3777362
Norma cheeks are impressive

Reminder Anise is 152cm Tall

Asbel did nothing wrong. Hubert, Cheria and the town of Lhant were retarded. Aston is the most retarded father in video game history as well. Shame Asbel was such a nice guy he should have ripped into them instead of just taking it and being the bigger person every single time.

>>3777419
I often forget Luke is meant to be ripped. Just look at his arm compared to Yuri's

>>3777434
Everyone was pretty wrong, except for Cheria.

>>3777434
>wtf what do you mean my sickly childhood friend is mad after I left her one day out of the blue and never ever wrote her letters and just completely forgot about her existence for 7 years
As far as Asbel knew Cheria could've very well died from her illness and he would've never found out because he couldn't be arsed to care over larping as a knight then immediately abandoning said knightly duties to become Lord of Lhant. Goddamn do I hate Asbel.

>>3777438
>>3777439
>cheria: I can replace your brother and our dead friend sophie
Nah she's retarded and turned him off with that shit. Plus the game points out that its not just Asbel who didnt contact Lhant. Neither his parents or Cheria made any effort contacting him. So yeah Asbel did nothing wrong.

>>3777439
>he couldn't be arsed to care over larping as a knight then immediately abandoning said knightly duties to become Lord of Lhant. Goddamn do I hate Asbel
He gave up his dream right before graduation and became the lors of Lhant because his asshole dad died and his mom needed help. He was too good towards people.

>>3777446
You're excusing child Asbel for his stupidity but not child Cheria for being scared as fuck given her condition and making a childish promise because she doesn't want to be left alone while sick and lose everyone around her? He's the one that ran away on a whim, it's on him to stop being an ungrateful retard for 5 minutes and remember the people he supposedly cared about. There's one huge flaw with Graces and that's Cheria forgiving Asbel as easily as she did.

>>3777450
>He gave up his dream right before graduation and became the lors of Lhant
So as I said, he couldn't be arsed to care for his supposed friends and family beyond the dad he had beef with 'cause he preferred to larp as a knight but then at the same time he abandoned said knightly duties to become Lord of Lhant.

Cheria's passive aggressiveness and constant shit flinging to test Asbel's feelings and get his attention was such a woman moment. Not to mention
>you're stuck in the past
Classic gaslighting the only person stuck in the past was Cheria.

>>3777434
>>3777446
>>3777450
t. Asbel

>>3777452
>You're excusing child Asbel for his stupidity but not child Cheria for being scared as fuck given her condition and making a childish promise because she doesn't want to be left alone while sick and lose everyone around her? He's the one that ran away on a whim, it's on him to stop being an ungrateful retard for 5 minutes and remember the people he supposedly cared about. There's one huge flaw with Graces and that's Cheria forgiving Asbel as easily as she did
You're excusing some cunt begging for attention from guy who lost his brother and other friends. He always said he was going to be a knight. He "ran" away once his asshole dad went crossed the line and sold his brother to another family. It wasn't on a whim. Asbel wasnt stupid like i said he did nothing wrong. Cheria was a moron her illness doesnt excuse her selfishness which was what turned Asbel away. And you're pretty dumb for taking childhood promises so seriously.
>>3777453
He gave up his dream to help his mom by taking up a position he never wanted what more do you want? You're one of those odd people who only blame Asbel but anyone in Lhant could have contacted him but they never bothered until the dad died and they needed him back.

>>3777452
>There's one huge flaw with Graces and that's Cheria forgiving Asbel as easily as she did.
You dont understand women. He never stopped wanting his cock. All that shit was to "test" him.

>>3777467
>from guy who lost his brother and other friends
So what better than to personally burn the bridge with the remaining friend? Man Asbel's a fucking genius
>Asbel wasnt stupid
Asbel never fucking stops being stupid
>like i said he did nothing wrong
Go to sleep Asbel
>you're dumb for taking childhood promises so seriously
Thought you just said he "always said he was going to be a knight"? Sounds like a childhood dream, pretty dumb to take those seriously
>what more do you want?
Him not being an awful person would be a good start

Man I still remember in Graces where Aston escorts a prince's caravan but gets attacked by mosnters and has to bailed out by his 11 year old son and the guard goes wow you're lucky your son was here otherwise you would have been in trouble. He then proceed to whine about his son being there. The man was so retarded the game really really tried to get you to like him later on but that's impossible

>>3777419
Rita should be taller
Anise should be like 3’10”

>>3777467
Asbel did send Hubert letters. Why didn't he sent any to Cheria? Besides coming across like an asshole?

>>3777450
>He gave up his dream right before graduation and became the lors of Lhant
He immediately gets into a pissing contest with Hubert over who should have control oh Lhant when he first gets there when Hubert is 100% in the right saying that he's more qualified since he's spent the past seven years studying and training to be in that position, as well as Lhant being completely reliant on Strahta's military at the moment so Asbel couldn't be an effective eader for the town anyway. The fact Asbel rises to his goading and fights him rather than recognizing the reality of the situation and stepping down in order to support Hubert shows upon his return it's all about his ego. And when the plot moves on from that, it forgets to properly interrogate his behavior and make him reflect on it. Same deal with getting mad at Cheria for treating him coldly when she's well within her rights to do so, it all gets swept under the rug and everyone moves on extremely quickly from what was a traumatic event that changed their lives. It wholly squanders the potential of all the interpersonal drama and growth that gets set up in the first act. Team Destiny never had the most in-depth storylines compared with Team Symphonia but holy shit.

>>3777474
>So what better than to personally burn the bridge with the remaining friend? Man Asbel's a fucking genius
That friend just wanted his cock was being callous towards him losing his friends and more importantly brother
>Asbel never fucking stops being stupid
Nah you just hate him for having a backbone and not just rolling over for your waifu cheria
>Thought you just said he "always said he was going to be a knight"? Sounds like a childhood dream, pretty dumb to take those seriously
And guess who went on to join the knight academy by himself.
>Him not being an awful person would be a good start
It takes two to tango. His parents did not bother contacting him. Neither did Cheria. You whine about Asbel but make excuses for them. In fact you've ignored this even though I brought it up. They only contacted him once he was needed and he droped everything and went back. There's only one character looking good here and that's Asbel.

Playing through the childhood arc after so long when the remaster came out, I came to the conclusion that Aston wasnt hard enough on Asbel. This little shit dragging his little brother and his sickly childhood friend to fight against some monsters.

I remember really liking playing graces f but I don't remember the story or characters at all.

>>3777480
>Why didn't he sent any to Cheria? Besides coming across like an asshole?
Why didnt she?

>>3777485
Because he lied to her the last day she saw him then ran away from her life. He is the one that left. Now stop deflecting and answer: we know he sent his brother letters. Why didn't he sent any to Cheria?

>>3777484
People have been praising the gameplay and shitting on the story for like 10 years before the remaster.
It's pretty much agreed upon that Graces weakness is the main story

>>3777482
>being callous towards him losing his friends
They were her friends too dipshit, and she was coping the same way. She just did so by hanging on to the remaining friendship instead of running away like a dickhead
>Nah you just hate him for having a backbone
Go to sleep, Asbel
>And guess who went on to join the knight academy by himself
The laughing stock that after 7 years wasn't even sure he was a good knight and came back to everyone from his childhood disliking him?
>It takes two to tango
Asbel was the one to initiate the dance doe. What part of "*HE* is the one that made it clear he didn't want anything to do with his past by burning every bridge and running away then forgetting about everyone in Lhant" do you not understand?

>>3777481
Hubert was being a little cunt at the time. And Asbel was well within his rights to be worried over a foreign army and his resentful brother taking over. He fought a duel because that was the only option at the time and left once he lost.
>Same deal with getting mad at Cheria for treating him coldly when she's well within her rights to do so,
He was okay with it he just got annoyed at her constant passive aggressive attitude and her stupid actions
>it all gets swept under the rug and everyone moves on extremely quickly from what was a traumatic event that changed their lives
Thats because Hubert and Cheria realized they were being retarded. Im much more forgiving to Hubert's situation. His anger was legit.

>>3777487
good to know
I just always found it odd that I really have no recollection of anything that happened
I remember innocence more clearly and I didn't get very far in that one

>>3777483
>Aston wasnt hard enough on Asbel. This little shit dragging his little brother and his sickly childhood friend to fight against some monsters.
That little shit was the reason Aston has his head on his neck after almost failing his escort. He also caused like half the problems in the game by acting extremely retarded

>>3777484
It's a shame Graces' plot falls off because the hook right after childhood is very strong. You've got Aston with good intentions but horrible choices due to the feudal lordship he must manage and his own biased past with his brother. Asbel who thinks he's the main character of the story but by doing so and going away to be "le hero swordsman" inadvertedly hurts everyone around him like an idiot, like Hubert or especially Cheria. You've got Hubert, who becomes a great man and leader under the worst of circumstances and bottles up his past and the people he wants to lash out against.... even Cheria herself, who due to her sickness was almost entirely dependent on Asbel and co. as her friends and childhood crush yet one day was left alone by no fault of her own and everyone around her abandoned her/left/died. We're talking Abyss-tier character development, but it all then crashes and burns in one of the worst stories in the franchise

>>3777492
>you don't get it Asbel cared so much about his brother and him being forced to go away an-
>actually his brother was being a cunt, Asbel did nothing wrong :)
Trying too hard, last (You)

>>3777486
>Because he lied to her the last day she saw him then ran away from her life. He is the one that left. Now stop deflecting and answer: we know he sent his brother letters. Why didn't he sent any to Cheria?
Okay and why did he do that? Cheria acting like a creepy bitch and saying she could replace their friends and Asbel's brother right after the incident angered him. If she wanted a relationship it was her duty to patch it up since she wronged him. You claim she was wronged because Asbel left her all alone but she was quick to write off the others in the group.

>>3777484
Graces story is decent. It's no different from other tales stories

>>3777483
>gets told to not go to the tree
>goes to the tree
>gets told to say in his room
>leaves his room
>could've outright gotten himself and his friends killed by actual, honest to god, real living breathing monsters that exist out in the wild
>game tries to frame this as Asbel being a rebellious rascal and not a little shit with an attitude and a disregard for lordship rules that's making a mockery out of the county

>>3777484
The smell of Pascal fried your brain

Cheria was a bitch actively seeing Sophie as a threat

>>3777496
>Abyss-tier character development
Lol stop putting it on a pedestal lmao

>>3777497
Stop deflecting and answer: we know he sent his brother letters. Why didn't he sent any to Cheria? Besides coming across like an asshole?

>>3777490
>They were her friends too dipshit, and she was coping the same way. She just did so by hanging on to the remaining friendship instead of running away like a dickhead
Except she wrote them off and said she would replace them so you cant claim this for her. It doesnt work like that. Asbel was the only one with real feelings of loss
>The laughing stock that after 7 years wasn't even sure he was a good knight and came back to everyone from his childhood disliking him?
Everyone else liked him so sounds like a Lhant problem not an Asbel one.
>Asbel was the one to initiate the dance doe.
That was his dad
>What part of "*HE* is the one that made it clear he didn't want anything to do with his past by burning every bridge and running away then forgetting about everyone in Lhant" do you not understand?
What part of he only came back because they begged him to do you not understand? He was fine chilling in the knight academy.

I've lived long enough to see an unironic Asbel simp. These are dark times indeed, lads.

>>3777499
>That Pic
Has someone wrote a fic/made a doujin about Colette growing a penis as part of the journey of regeneration, because angels are commonly depicted as hermaphrodites

>>3777509
What years of no new games in sight do to someone

>>3777496
>Trying too hard, last (You)
You're pretty dumb if you cant separate the childhood part from the present

>>3777507
>she wrote them off
What the hell are you talking about you absolute schizo
>Asbel was the only one with real feelings of loss
Go to sleep Asbel
>Everyone else liked him
Everyone else was neutral on him as a random might-as-well-be background NPC in Barona
>That was his dad
The dad has absolutely nothing to do with his complete abandonment of everyone *but* his dad
>whataboutism
So you cannot answer that last point and I thus accept the concession

>>3777499
Asbel saved his father from potential execution by killing the monsters attacking the prince's escort and killed an assasin after the prince. Aston failed at everything he did and got killed by some randos. His 11 year old son was more accomplished than him. His own diary has him admitting what loser he was.

>>3777509
The game's old enough to have people nostalgia baiting for it, especially now with the remaster

>>3777506
>Stop deflecting and answer
I answered you just didnt like my answer. I'll repeat it since you keep insisting on it. She turned him off by acting creepy and claiming she could replace their lost friends. You think its solely up to Asbel to fix these relationships when there are people on the other side of them who hold responsibility as well.

>>3777505
Make me

>>3777517
>She turned him off
So he was just the biggest asshole in the world, got it

>>3777514
>So you cannot answer that last point and I thus accept the concession
You're being obtuse on purpose. You stsrted this whole thing by acting like he went back on his own volition to take up the lordship and ignore the elephant in the room which is his mother and Lhant begging him to come back to help.

>>3777519
>So he was just the biggest asshole in the world, got it
Keep simping for your waifu bro

>>3777509
I played the game so yeah I would have opinions on it. He did nothing wrong.

DOUBLE DEMON FANG

>>3777526
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UC9c7_3L3fQ

>>3777521
You're the only one self-inserting here, fren

>>3777480
>Why didn't he sent any to Cheria? Besides coming across like an asshole?
He did write a goodbye letter iirc

>>3777533
You're the one gettign angry for Cheria's sake

>>3777535
I'm discussing the characters in a story in a thread about vidya discussion. Why the projection, Asbel

Why does Asbel fight with leaving the sword scabbard on? Does he know how swords work? Is he stupid?

Sex

>>3777350
>>3777357
Theres no fucking way you'd be able to make that shit out back in the original PS2 480 resolution.

Still an incredible detail though

>>3777550
>Why does Asbel fight with leaving the sword scabbard on? Does he know how swords work? Is he stupid?
it's cooler

>>3777544
>I'm discussing the characters in a story in a thread about vidya discussion.
you were getting mad on a character's behalf.

>>3777553
My wife. Cool outfit.

>>3776381 (OP)
Graces is just Yugioh GX season 3

>>3777557
>>3777544

>>3777560
It's funny you keep accusing me of projection when that's all you've been doing.

>>3777561
sibling oyakodon

>>3777563
You're indeed projecting when accusing the person you're arguing with of simping for one of the worst heroines in the entire franchise just 'cause you don't like the MC being equally as bad if not moreso by virtue of being the MC, yes. Glad you caught up

>>3777574
stop trying to backpeddle. You were simping hard

>>3777592
>no argument
Why did I expect any different. You're just as shit as your future wife, Asbel

>>3777595
>no argument
the argument finished though? You're the one continuing to cry about it

They have existing assets. How hard could be to shit out a SINGLE game.

>>3776381 (OP)
Whats so special about Eternia?

>>3777675
the arise couples outside of alphen/shionne were the most forced shit ever terrible writing and zero chemistry

>>3777509
In 10 years or so we might get an Alphen "yeah I forgive you" simp. Oh the horrors.

>>3777509
Asbel was one of the most popular characters though, of course he'd have a lot of simps

i forgive lloyd for being a retard

>>3776852
>>3777025
Secret guest 2 is Ion.

Fucking nothing today too? No hope of any news at all? Even Xbox Showcase tomorrow?

>>3777781
Its over anon. Owari............

>>3777376
Whoops meant to say Trails

>Next remastered will be announced in Summer
lmao you fuckers

>>3777511
Caius Qualls......

>>3777810
Did they state this at the Festival?

>>3777813
yes
the ToS op singer also sang some other Tales OPs
like the Zestiria openings

>>3777810
>>3777815
Surely theyre just pulling what Capcom did the other day and are gonna announce it at the Xbox thing in a few hours

>>3777820
I sure fucking hope so, I don't wanna be cucked for another couple months just to find out whether we're getting Abyss or Xillia (or they troll us all and we get, like, freaking Legendary or something)

>>3777823
Legendia remake would be amazing though

>>3777810
>>3777815
Its 100% gonna be Xillia
>No New Tales
GRIM
R
I
M

>>3777815
>announcement of an announcement
Tales bros, we're winning so hard...

>>3777815
will probably be xillia or abyss

>>3777848
they learned from atlus

>>3777815
I hope it's something older than Xillia. I don't think they need a remaster. On the other hand, the older games need a remake rather than a remaster and I don't trust the current Tales team with that.

they should unironically remake dotnw but fix the party members

>>3777888
>the older games need a remake
I need you to jump out a window

Why they cant announce a Remaster.......... then announce an all new Tales game ?

>>3777893
They more need a remake than Xillia needs anything. They're still totally fine imo, but it might not hurt. Aside from Legendia of which I'd love to see a remake from the ground up.

>>3777897
Phantasia and Eternia getting Destiny DC remake would be the best course, and i agree Legendia needs a whole remake from scratch.
Abyss too, but make it Vesperia style. I think it's would be the best outcome too, preserving the peak Tales style while not costing that much money compared to an Arise style remake.

>>3777894
>Talesfes and Not-E3 happening at the same time
>Use the ripest time for announcements to announce an announcement

>>3777897
Why are you all avoiding the elephant in the room? Xillia 1 and 2 have been stuck on the PS3 for years. Its the natural choice to make

ARE YOU FAGGOTS READY FOR XILLIA 1/2 REMASTER!?

>>3777922

>>3777922
No. Those games were ass.

>>3777928
Elaborate. Name better Tales.

>>3777929
Phantasia, Eternia, Symphonia, Destiny DC, Vesperia. Et cetera.

>>3777922
It'd be neat if true

>decide to play symphonia for the first time in almost 20 years
>pc version has no borderless windowed mode or native controller support
I hate the japanese.
Back then I would turn the voices off because they were awful but now I can play with jap voices at least.

>>3777894
Xbox stream happens in one hour. Vesperia DE and Arise were announced in one. The remaster is probably going to be announced in a Nintendo Direct like Symphonia and Graces were.

Where's my Vesperia 2? I've been waiting for years. So many other kuso shit got prequels or sequels (xillia, beseria, symphonia, graces, and destiny)

All Tales sequels so far were shit, no exceptions.

>>3777962
Destiny 2 is better than your favorite game. Sorry.

>Play graces
>Normal attacks and fucking free run have a cost
Why is this garbage shilled for having the best combat system ever? Resource management games are ass.

>>3777965
>Resource management games are ass.
I hate to break it to you, but you're playing the wrong genre of video games.

>>3777964
Time travel sucks. Nobody cares about it, sorry.

>>3777962
berseria is pretty good

>>3777942
>pc version has no native controller support
really?
my controller worked fine plug in and play.
or do you mean the button prompts ingame?
there's a mod so you can mess with that.

>voices were terrible
symphonia has a decent dub though.
but i do recommend just using the jp voices anyway because then the characters will have the same voices in everything else.
and the jp has voiced skits.

>>3777976
Symphonia and Berseria were prequels, thousands of years before, not direct sequels like Destiny 2, Dawn of the New World and Xillia 2. They couldn't help but pull time and dimension travel in Destiny 2/Xillia 2, even. It's the cheapest way to write an unplanned sequel.

xillia 2 was good

>>3777986
ok

>>3777986
NariDun has time travel too. Still a good game, just like Destiny 2 and Xillia 2.

What's the best way to experiences each tales game? Did not include the ones with no ports Did I get it right?
PS1 Phantasia
Undub Eternia PSP
Destiny DC PS2
Symphonia GC (for gameplay) PC for content?
Abyss 3DS
Vesperia PC
Graces PC
Beseria PC
Arise PC

>>3777968
I hate to break it you but Tales is a unga bunga series

>>3777992
>xillia 2 was good
for pedo weebs

>>3777997
>Abyss 3DS
What for. You get the same content as the International PS2 but worse textures.

>>3777997
Phantasia - Learn Japanese and play Cross Edition
Eternia - Learn Japanese and play the PSP version
Destiny 2 - Learn Japanese and play the PSP version
Rebirth - Learn Japanese and play the PSP version
Abyss looks better on PS2, there's really no reason to play the 3DS version.
Innocence - Vita
Hearts - Vita

>>3778005
>What for. You get the same content as the International PS2 but worse textures.
It's comfy

>>3778007
>Phantasia - Learn Japanese and play Cross Edition
this was the most half assed shit ever made

>>3778015
The amount of effort is irrelevant, it's the best version of the game. No, I don't care how you feel about Rody.

>>3778005
>What for. You get the same content as the International PS2 but worse textures.
the load times
>fast forward on an emulator
no.

It's either Abyss Definitive Edition or a Xillia port. It can't be anything else. What else is left? Tales of Tempest. Lmao

>>3778018
>The amount of effort is irrelevant, it's the best version of the game
the combat is much worse as well. It's not just the bad story additionss. The PS1 version is the definitive version of the game

>>3778019
>the load times
fast forward on an emulator
>no
yes

The drought started after Xillia 1 and 2. They killed Tales

>>3778032
more like gaming dev costs/time killed modern gaming

>>3778018
i'm intrigued to see rody in phantasia.
i've only heard that she doesn't fit in the story well.

>>3777928
...is what I would say if I were retarded

>>3778032
>Hearts, Graces. Xillia, ZESTRIA, beseria, and Arise
damn no wonder Vesperia is shilled as the best shit ever

>>3777962
Destiny 2, Xillia 2 and NDX are some of the best games in the franchise

>>3778026
You have 1 post to make your points

>>3778041
>Xillia 2
>best games in the franchise
if you have father-daughter fantasies

>>3778045
PSX version fixes everything from the SNES version and runs so smooth. Everything is close to perfect. Cross edition ruined the battle system.

doesn't the full voice edition on psp have all the things the ps1 version added but with all the story scenes voice acted?
wouldn't be the best version of the game then if you don't like how the cross edition reworked the battle system?

cross edition has all the voice acting the full voice edition added but with a reworked battle system and an extra character that might be bad.
but we'll see.
i don't have high hopes lol.

i've only played the gba version of phantasia myself.
so... everything i've seen so far in cross is like crack to me.
this shit's amazing.
i'm interested to see how this game will feel to play with spells no longer pausing the game.

People will shit on Rody but praise Suzu as the best thing ever.

>>3778077
t.b.f. wasn't suzu already a side character in the og phantasia?

>>3778077
>Suzu
no one cares about suzu

>>3778077
Suzu is an NPC becoming playable, Rody is a brand new character, and along with her backstory comes a new clan of assassins that wasn't in Phantasia's world before.

>>3777496
It's a general issue with the writing of Graces, it's like they attempted to tackle heavier subjects involving growing up and childhood mental/emotional trauma or whatever but this coming from the devs behind Rebirth's exhilarating "racism bad" plot which you know, it's a fine story on its own for a JRPG but once you try to go more nuanced with the characters and the power of 3D cutscenes and whatnot... fell you either write better or it falls flat. For me the impression I ended the game with was that Asbel was an immature manchild that remained largely static in terms of growth and development and received next to no repercussions for his actions. Like you say the Childhood arc was the best, there's little issue there because it's all characterization setup. Asbel is a retarded kid but he's just that, a kid. He has flaws, he madkes mistakes, he's set up to fail in a way so he can get back up and grow/redeem himself into Adulthood. The big issue in comparison with a characters like Luke is that once Richard gets back in contact with him it all goes downhill. Asbel isn't given more time to pick himself up and truly grow as a character, he's instead rewarded immediately after by getting the chance to run back to his fujo prince to find purpose there. That moment where he seemingly lost everything should've been a BIG character changing moment but it's handled so sloppily that all its weight is lost almost immediately after. Asbel remains the dense manchild he is, and when challenged by the story he seems to be told to stay the same and keep doing what he was doing beforehand because the power of friendship and anime will solve all. The game can have him questioning repeatedly what's worth doing at different points in the story and yet he keeps winging it instead and keeps winning but without the charisma and determination that made Lloyd doing the same work well in that game's narrative framework.

>>3778101
Like hell, I fucking HATE this character direction where he never picks up on why everyone tends to be so pissed off at him all the time and rather than being challenged by someone like Malik as a friendly mentor figure to understand why things are as they are and to grow up, he's instead told to keep at whatever he's already doing. It doesn't help that he almost has no idea what he's doing to begin with and has the audacity to go as far as to berate Sophie for even suggesting suicide killing Lambda because they are running out of time, ideas, and Sophie herself is having an existential crisis. Then he ends up risking the entire world to Talk no Jutsu Lambda in a moment that, again, would've worked far better had Lloyd and his friends been the ones doing it because Symphonia works the reasoning and morals behind their decisions far better.

I just set up my PS2 emulator. Rebirth here I come

>>3778101
>charisma and determination that made Lloyd
LMAOOOOOO. Both Symphonia and Graces are kiddy nintendo games. Neither compare to Abyss which has real stakes and difficulties for its characters

How mad would you all be if the remaster was Vesperia again

>>3778041
If you like rehashed trash, sure.

No new game lmao. It's over.

i'm not gonna argue about grace's story since it's been so long and i don't remember much about it besides having fun playing it but also hating the last dungeon.

the only thing that really bugs me about lloyd is how he doesn't get shit for criticizing mithos for choosing martel over the world even though lloyd chose collette over the world.

>>3778118
Let them cook bro. it's the 30th anniversary. They have 6 more months

>>3778119
anyone who whines about graces while praising Lloyd is doing some serious mental gymnastics

>>3778121
Xillia 1 is all we gonna get lmao. Also they already announcing Code Vein 2. Theres no way bamco would announcing all new Tales game now.

This game is only hated because the old characters suck in comparison to the monsters

>>3778127
>Xillia 1
They would at least bundle it with Xillia 2

>>3778131
Nope. That'll be next year. Fucker Bamco literally stalling this on purpose to make the series seems """"""""""""""""""Alive""""""""""""""""""

>>3778049
You didn't actually make the points

>>3778116
...ly you won't be able to appreciate them but start clapping whenever Symphonia appears

>>3778137
the battle system is faster but they didn't balance the game around the new changes

>>3778122
maybe.
i didn't remember having a problem with any graces character.
but i should probably replay it sometime.

>>3778130
i just don't get why they even let you use the og tos cast if they didn't want you to use them.
and they fucked the eng vas for the og tos cast.
i can never play that game with the eng voices again.
once was too much...

>>3778140
>i just don't get why they even let you use the og tos cast if they didn't want you to use them.
the fanboys demanded it

>>3778141
dotnw should've just been a spinoff instead of sequel.

Need... to molest.... Genis.... so... hard.... and... punch..... colette.... in... the.... solar.... plexus....

>>3778119
>even though lloyd chose collette over the world
But he saved both? He stopped the cycle of mana draining both planet alternatively and he stopped Mithos from creating his Age of Lifeless Beings

>>3778041
...if you have taste, otherwise you'll be an Abyss fan

>>3778147
i mean during the sylvarant arc.

>>3778139
Just because the game is balanced around you eating shit from any caster doesn't make eating shit from casters fun.

i need to run my hand through lloyd's hair

>>3778032
The funniest thing about this image is the fact luminaria has a link and crestoria doesn't

>>3778146
Raine no

>>3778187
I wish i was raine...

>>3776381 (OP)
I agree with most of these people

>>3778189
... so i could seduce lloyd

>>3778197
No i would basically fondle my tits, a lot, molest genis and stick a lot of strange things in my holes.

>>3778198
you wouldn't be a very good older sister to genis...

>>3778201
I would be the PERFECT sister to genis. Except the part where he would always stumble on me fondling my titts and sticking things inside me.

>>3778204
would you let him stick things inside you?

>>3778211
Of course, i am the PERFECT sister and i have to encourage my little brother curiosity. Every single deep, perverted, sick and disgusting hint of curiosity.

>Tales of Remastered
Woah I'm so hyped for this game!

>>3778192
even the guy in the black shirt?

>>3778215
he'll kendama you

>>3778218
Not him or the guy that likes Symphonia 2. I'm also someone that actually defends Destiny 2 as it was the first imported game I ever played.

AIIEEEEE ROIDO-KUN IS WEAKER THAN EVERYONE. THIS GAME SUCKS
grow up

>>3778226
nothing wrong with that.
i liked phantasia gba probably just because it was my first tales game.
cross has been great so far though and i'll also probably never go back to the gba version.
the opening in english will always be a master piece though lmao

>>3778231
what are you talking about?
dotnw or something?

I don't care about Xillia

>>3778032
>not a single good game after Vesperia
Grim.

>>3778238
>dotnw
yes

Why did they stop adding Pow Hammer to the games after the Xillias? It's been 13 years, where's my iconic arte Bamco.

Ion getting new fanart thanks to talesfes.

Meanwhile Klarth got nothing.

Cress is the strongest of the Tales MCs

>lumina called dibs on destiny 2
>last update was 15 months ago
lmao

Arise was trash, remastering old games is the best option.

>>3778286

>>3777107
I remember well waiting to rip the final episodes of the former apart.

>>3777105
Wait what, not the Hearts-playing anon but how.

>>3778384
It's still baffling how they managed to make the anime WORSE than the fucking game

>>3778296
They got some job in the doing editing for Tokyo Xanadu eX+, they don't need to work for free so they don't need destiny 2.

>>3778393
Hearts is all about staying airborne. There's a hidden value for enemies ironstancing out of combos, I forget the specifics and can't find the site that I initially found it on, but basically it punishes spamming the same arte. Anyways, none of that matters as long as you're in the air. The enemy can be on the ground, but you have to be in the air. Also, you can't let your party members hit the enemy you're comboing from the ground either. So any arte that gives you hangtime is premium and artes that are ground only are kind of ass unfortunately. Beyond that, it's just having a lot of EG and getting crits (which restore EG), and utilizing the OP connect panel artes to deal damage (Roni's Spiral Driver)

why were Hearts, Innocence, Tempest terrible? the graphics? the gameplay? what?

>>3778426
Tempest is beta that bamco try to sell, there is no content, is a hollow of a game that never existed

how do i get better at dualizing in Graces? I want to finish up those requests before I move on to Lineage and Legacy.

>>3778426
Hearts and Innocence aren't terrible. Tempest is like a loaf of bread that looks like it's cooked on the outside but you take a bite and it's literally nothing but raw dough on the inside

When is tales going to move away from the cringy racism plots

>>3778434
Once 4chan is no longer racist

>>3778426
>Tempest
Its half of a game. There's enough content to get an idea of what's going on but it could seriously do with some expansion and elaboration because it becomes increasingly more rushed as you leave the capital. It reminds me of Arise's second half.
>Innocence
Not a bad game but holy hell do the dungeons suck.
>Hearts
I think Hearts R is superfluous to be honest. The original game was fine enough and they should have put in the effort to remake Tempest instead.

>>3778434
The best stories in the series are not focused in racism.

>>3778448
Tales has good stories?

>>3778393
yeah, the tos ova seemed really rushed.
also, there was a really weird translated line in the sub i watched where lloyd calls sheena a kind person but the subtitles put it as something like "you're one of the good ones."
so i was confused by the joke and had to rewind.
the joke was sheena being tsundere for being called kind because it goes against her tough act.

>>3778402
is there an anime adaptation of a video game that's better than the game?

>>3778461
I am reminded of how miserably awful the disgaea anime was.

Yeah I'm in Love

at least the tos ova had some funny omake episodes.

>>3778454
If you only care about FFVII/Xenogears, probably not. And that is more a you issue than anything else.

>>3778461
NTA but ToZX is the only Zestiria adaptation is that is worse than the game, most of them are better.

Wait, who updated OP image? Very good to see Indignation and Demon Fang still there.

>>3778425
So you're bypassing the game's anti-infinite system, then sporadically restoring your arte energy to keep the combo going. Delicious.

>>3778460
I wonder if it was rushed or the source material was just a pain in the ass to adapt in the short OVA format. Adapting a video game that long with that many details over a five year span, seemingly without having a hard lock on your final episode count, sounds like a time of it. They took sensible shortcuts, but eventually the shortcuts caught up with them and you realize that you can't make saving Colette repeatedly the only throughline of your show.

>>3778511
>hard to adapt a game that long
probably that too.

the omake episodes were my favorite part of the tos ova

>>3778265
For me, it's https://youtu.be/D0NR3m4ZcBc

>>3778384
Cress can literally order his sword to erase Sorey

Will The Next tales has CV2 graphics?

>>3778637
>Will The Next tales has
Do not redeem the graphics, saar

>ESL asking if they will downgrade the graphics

>>3778139
>Phantasia
>Balance
Lmao, sure thing. I love being surrounded by two golems who play tennis with me and there's nothing I can do about it. Phantasia was never particularly balanced to begin with. You just grow used to some of the bullshit it throws at you. I rather play the Cross edition again than any other version. It was also comfy to play on a handheld.

>>3778684
skill issue tbqfvhiftmhihbiqawots

You know, somehow I doubt the *capital* of the kingdom home to the monarchs and royal army only has a single small grocery in the entire city

lloyd probably ended up retarded because he got brain damage from being handled roughly when anna tried to kill him.
and maybe also because anna had an exsphere when she was pregnant with him and who knows the side effects that would have.

Latest Bamco game has started to using Denuvo again.

Just saying

>>3777916
What elephant? Oh no, the 10€ games are stuck on a 50€ HD console. Meanwhile Rebirth hasn't even gotten an English release and Hearts either requires you to know moon or buy a vita which then requires a memory card that's more expensive than a PS3.

>immediately picks up on Beryl's nonsensical phrasing and uses it himself
>finally the much-needed tsukkomi to an entire party of bokes but also a boke that they can tsukkomi to
i knew kunzite was going to be my favorite character going in, but it's amazing just how perfect of an addition he is to the cast.
it's also extremely fucking funny to me that his whole thing is being a weapon from an ancient yet super advanced civilization which means spamming demon fang and tiger blade, at least when you first get him. based
anyway, this game's growing on me. the combat's still kind of whatever and i don't like the soma build/evolve system but the party is pretty entertaining.

>>3779327
does vita emulation not work well for hearts?

>>3779327
>Oh no, the 10€ games are stuck on a 50€ HD console. Meanwhile Rebirth hasn't even gotten an English release
But it has, it's on you if you're either retarded enough to not know how to set up a freaking PS2 emulator or retarded enough to pretend PS3 emulation is easier by default than PS2's. Whichever way you slice it Rebirth is far more available right now, you can play Rebirth even on your damn phone.

if tos came out today people would call it woke

>>3779412
Anon, the game has an achievement/title tied to flirting with every single woman in the entire planet(s) and costumes like pic related. Also, is there a single black person? In either world? Rebirth's plot comes across as more preachy, honestly.

>>3779412
Only genuine retards use "woke" unironically anyway, so who cares.

>>3779419
but it has "racism bad" and "having 2 dads is good."
but i also agree with this anon >>3779423

>>3779412
The girls are hot and it has a romanceable loli so.... no.

>>3779438
i'm surprised there isn't any ntr art of lloyd, presea, and genis.
at least, i don't think there is.

>>3779443
>Leave SEAfag alone for 5 seconds

>>3779443
Ntr is a shit fetish and it's a good thing there isn't.

>>3779443
NTR cannot affect our CHADLY HEROES

doesn't genis make fun of lloyd for his older woman fetish or something?
but genis also liked presea who was twice his age.

>>3779450
>>3779450
i just think it's surprising there isn't any when it seems to be a common fetish nowadays.
then again, tos might be too old to be affected by that crowd of fetushists.

>>3779479
In general, there is very little porn of tales.

>>3779482
you're right. most i've seen is just ai slop too.

what an awful thread.
fitting.

what a great thread.
fitting.

>>3779476
DotNW skit. It was more of a gag for throwing him to the wolves (girls, other than Marta who 'ships anything with anything but Emil's exclusive to her) after Lloyd told him that he liked how motherly that NPC was.
He doesn't know exactly how old Presea is, and thus still thinks of her as young - but slightly older than him after the cruxis crystal fix.

>>3779366
>>3779327
Vita emulation works perfectly for Hearts R. Even has a texture pack and the higher resolution for 3d models is a nice boon.

https://gbatemp.net/threads/psvita-tales-of-hearts-r-us-eu-hd-textures.656308/

>>3779625
Technically not perfect, there are still instances where some textures will load as blank (completely black). Just tested and it seems like it's still occurring.

>>3779438
>>3779443
I will always think that the dating sim aspect in Symphonia is stupid and shouldn't have happened.
It's not Tales at all.

>>3779635
Afaik you need to clear your Vita3k cache in the options.

>>3779639
i agree but it can lead to funny scenarios, like lloyd dating his teacher.

>>3779639
Meh is just skit fun, in the end who cares. Also yes, i would appreciate anything concerning raine. Too bad you can't date genos but i take what i have.

>>3779642
I was able to get it to happen even after clearing the cache, although it took a lot more tries than it did before.

ToD2 PS2 or PSP cutouts
Which ones do you like better

>>3779664
PS2

>>3779656
only thing that bothers me is some unique content is locked behind characters' affection meter.
and for the flanoir scene you can technically only see 3 per playthrough (if you reload your save).
and the system is stacked in colette's favor.
then again it's all on youtube anyway so maybe it doesn't matter.

>>3779677
>some unique content is locked behind characters' affection meter
Nothing strange in the jrpg genre. Considering the entire star ocean franchise and the fact devs from star ocean created the tales franchise i am surprised this stuff is not in every game.
>and the system is stacked in colette's favor.
This is why i hate her with every inch of my essence. I would litterally choke her with my own hands just to see her die in front of me gasping for air.

>>3779678
holy shit...

>>3779639
>It's not Tales at all
It was the first 3D Tales, and not like the franchise had fully found its footing yet when each game was still introducing new mechanics. It's just another gameplay mechanic like fringing Craymels or using FoF circles in battle. The idea was neat, it's just that the execution left a lot to be desired because Colette is still clearly the intended option (her Flanoir scene in the OP, her starting with extra affection, her occupying whatever spot the intended person would in that lategame dungeon where each character confronts their fears and are helped by Lloyd so if you end up paired with say, Sheena or Presea then Colette randomly appears in their spot next to Zelos or Regal which doesn't mesh at all compared with the clear Genis/Raine, Zelos/Sheena, Regal/Presea). Other games back then like FFVII or FFX tried similar things, with similar results.

>>3779677
i forgot to say that the flanoir scenes being locked behind affection was lame because those scenes have important character development in them.

>>3778157
lloyd was pretty indecisive about it remil just decided to kill him for being annoying
>tell genis to use long range magic
>runs in melee with full tp and eats a judgement ray for 100% of his hp
>can't even bait the boss away because we don't have the technology for free running

>>3779741
doesn't he object when he finds out collette has to essentially die to become an angel?
or am i misremembering?
he was always kinda against collette's journey too after seeing her not be able to discern the temperature of coffee.

>>3779677
Sis
You are meant to play through the game multiple times. This is also reinforced through your differing options in story progression during large chunks of the game. At least twice (a Kratos and a Zelos game) but more commonly more than that.
What you’re describing is a problem only because the modern sensibilities of how games are played have shifted since then, and you’re trying to apply those retroactively to an old game.

Real talk: S or T?

>>3779765
i don't mind playing twice but doing kratos' route also messes with other characters' affection besides zelos.
(and kratos' route is harder to get in every version after the gcn version apparently. i didn't know that until recently. i'm a ps3 tos babby.)
and i just think the flanoir scenes should've all been viewable regardless of affection.
i'm not completely against optional content.
it adds rrplayability but i guess i don't like really important stuff being hidden behind it.
and i don't like how biased it is in collette's favor.

>>3779769
they both have good artes.
idk it's hard.

would lloyd's offspring inherit his retardation?

>>3779769
>E(S)trogen or (T)estosterone
Not hard

>>3779769
>(T)rash or (S)ex
Not hard

>>3779769
>(S)oles or (T)its
An easy choice, really

>>3779769
>(S) (T)
uhh... (D)?

>>3779796
Colette......

>>3779796
Genis......

>>3779769
Depends on character

Why is everyone in this franchise but Dohalim and Loni white

>set casters to STAY THE FUCK AWAY FROM THE ENEMY
>they love to randomly just run into the middle and get sandwiched between enemies until they die or i save them
these games can be so annoying to play sometimes man.

>>3779820
on second thought, are they really
everyone in phantasia is white but suzu (asian) and klarth (brown)

>>3779769
TWIN TIGER BLADE

>>3779820
There are no white people anon, they’re japanese

>>3779858
how can cress be japanese when his parents are literally called miguel and maria retardbro

>>3779820
Unlike the West in 1995+30, it's not like a Japanese designer's first thought when coming up with a character is to make 'em black. Also you forgotten about one from the hit videogame Tales of the Tempest

>>3779858
>blonde man with purple eyes and parents with spanish names
>blonde man with blue eyes and a french surname
>black haired man with a russian name
I could go on but you get the picture

>>3779883
>>3779872
Yes all of these are japanese

>>3779886
...after you redefine "japanese" to mean ""tales of" human being", maybe

>>3779886
lol, no they aren't
go play persona if you want to see a setting where everyone is actually japanese

>400 posts in 4 days
How
Why
It's not like they actually announced a new game or a new remaster beyond >>3777848

>>3779877
There is no Tempest
They never released it
It was cancelled so it doesn't count

>>3779412
woke is a word retards use when they want to obfuscate jewish influence/culture so i doubt it
most of the anti-woke people are also anti-racist

>>3779886
If you exclude everyone but Jude then yeah

>jude and kor are the ONLY asian protags
>both are manlets
what did they mean by this

>>3779895
>most of the anti-woke people are also anti-racist
Where the hell do you get that from when the exact same people that complain about ugly women in vidya also complain about black people existing

>>3779897
Kor being a manlet is one of those double take things tb.h
Isn't he shorter than Luca

>>3779893
POWERFUL franchise

>>3779899
>kor is 167cm
>luca is 168cm
imagine getting MOGGED by LUCA
heartsbros....is this your "hero"....?

>>3779908
Our HEROES.....oh, and three manlets at the bottom

>>3779908
>>3779910
>manlets
isn't that average nip male height?

>>3779908
170cm is good
Signed 179cm

>>3779911
Claimed average is 170cm so in practice it's probably kor's height

>>3779898
I'm talking about consevatard/chud influencers and political people
they all deny biological reality and call you a nazi if you suggest race matters
i understand you have very little contact with these "people" but they comprise the bulk of the right wing rn

>>3779910
Kyle is 15 he will grow

>>3779915
So will most of them

>>3779908
Chad Luke being taller than Cless
Chad Veigue being the tallest of them all
Also holy shit Ludger, seriously?

>>3779919
Cress is 17 so he will grow
He can also just alter reality and become taller

>>3779918

>>3779828
it's funny that i made this post earlier because now i'm doing the segment where the party gets separated in the desert and playing is ines+beryl is fucking torture lol
retard-chan keeps running into the enemy and dying instead of staying fucking behind me and casting spells

>>3779921
Not only will Cress grow, he has faithful older wife.....so fucking BASED.....

>>3779910
>>3779908
Only the top 3 aren’t manlets

>>3779925
wrong, everyone above 167cm isn't a manlet
I'm taller than Reid btw

>>3779914
Mithos.....

>>3779914
The bad guy from Rebirth.......

>>3779919
doesn't Luke seethe about his height in a skit

>>3779928
5’10” is the cut-off. Sorry bud

>>3779933
nope, it's 5'6''
sorry veiguebro

>>3779883
oye CAUCASIAN HEROES

>>3779935
*our
do MOT fucking DRINK bros........

>>3779908
where are the women's heights?

>>3779936
FUUUUUUCKKKKKK!!!!!!!!!!

Why is there so much porn of Reid getting fucked by Keele when everyone knows it's the other way around

real talk:
how much do these characters weigh?
i need to know if they're all skeletons like usual.

>>3779933
>manlet coping
cutoff is 6' lil bro

>>3779943
>manlet coping
6'1'' is the cutoff lil bro

you're just short. just think of yourself as being lucky for fitting in smaller places than most people can.

>>3779945
This is what I say to Manlets btw (they are under 167cm)

>>3779944
Good thing I’m 6’3”

>>3779945
i cope about being short by having a 8in dick with a nice girth to it

>>3779946
wanna have sex?

what's the least basic cookie-cutter jrpg tails game

>>3779949
Same except I'm 5'11"

>>3779950
maybe

>>3779954
Normies still dont know how zestiria equip work

>got massaged by kunzite for 30 fucking minutes
KOR SISSIES?!?!?!?! OH NONONONO

>>3779961
KEKAROOOOO! You don't see THIS happening to LUCA the CHAD!

>>3779954
Narratively or mechanically?

>>3779961
>kor

>>3779966
It's a better and more meaningful name than shing

>>3779954
graces maybe

>>3779958
i'll take that as a "yes."
no backing out now.
[$@$$!]

>>3779967
It sounds awful and it's not more meaningful.

>>3779963
narratively

>>3779969
core of the meteor
cor, latin for heart
meanwhile shing is just the rock fall noise

>>3779968
*tops you*

>>3779972
Shing is 心具

>>3779820
Well, swords and magic, as well as stuff like D&D, the direct inspiration for most RPGs, are inspired by european folklore. Makes sense that most people in Tales of and Dragon Quest are not japanese.

>>3779987
They’re all japanese anon. That’s how anime works.
>Blonde ha-
Japanese
>Anglicised name-
Still Japanese.

>>3779992
Only Persona/Megaten casts are strictly japanese, unless the game dictates the opposite (Strange Journey).

>>3779998
Why the fuck are you talking about Persona
Did you know Sailor Moon is japanese too? Amazing right? But not fucking relevant

>>3780000
Unlike Tales, every character in Sailor Moon has a japanese name, tho.
Sheena and Suzu are clearly japanese, Dohalim is a pajeet, the rest/majority of characters are just white.

>>3779992
No they aren't. They don't look Japanese and they don't have Japanese names

>>3779966
just using the name ppl might be more familiar with + more likely to get (you)s if i sprinkle a little bait on top of my bait

>>3780000
Yes, and she's named Usagi. Because she's Japanese. Like Ichigo Kurosaki.
Or Himura Kenshin. Unlike Stan Aileron.

>amerifats learning for the first time that they’re playing japanese video games

>"i will seethe because i have no arguments!"
ok asian fetishist

Is every Call of Duty character American?

>weebcunt learning for the first time that most jrpgs ar ebased on western fantasy

>>3780020
No, they’re Israeli

his name's シング. this is known

>>3779769
Lloyd: Mixed
Genis: Mixed
Colette: Strike
Raine: Technical (You can make a case for mixed)
Kratos/Zelos: Strike
Sheena: Technical (You can make a case for taking Power Seal Absolute to not have to worry about missing the def drop even if its weaker)
Regal: Technical
Presea: Mixed (its the only way to get all of her T3 artes)

>>3779972
>>3779969
>Developer statements on the Tales of Hearts development blog state that Kor's Japanese name derives from "shingu" (心具?), composed of two kanji characters that refer to "heart" and "tool". This is reflected in his localized name, which is derived from the Latin word for "heart": cor.

>>3780035
>his name literally means tool
>a 7 foot tall guy with bull horns touches kohaku for 30 minutes while shingu watches
Heartsbros this is not defensible

>>3780035
>localize a name from one foreign language to a different foreign language
I want to stress how fucking retarded this is. Even Amber is better than this.

>>3780046
>Even Amber is better than this.
Well, Kohaku literally means Amber so...

>>3780048
I'm aware.

>>3780049
Sex with Teenagers

>>3780046
Not retarded at all

>Bump limit in less than a week.
Not even me is that schizo and i jerk off to Edna every single day

>>3780054
>that hand gesture
Thankfully, since Tales Heroes are not Korean due to being Caucasian it cannot offend them

>>3779970
Abyss then

>>3780046
This, it's pretty funny
>you see, we localized Shing which is Japanese for heart and rock to Kor, which is Latin for heart and rock
>yes, we're localizing a Japanese game
>no, neither name means anything by itself in English
>yes, the rest of the game is famously retardedly translated too

>>3780224
Lol it's actually embarassing

>>3779970
same anon who said graces earlier.
narratively:
i'll throw out a weird one and say xillia 2.
it's not a standard jrpg story and had some weird fuckery like how you can kill the main cast of the first game
i liked the ending where ludger doesn't keep his daughter. i appreciate bittersweet endings like that.

>>3780034
I generally agree (I prefer the absolute seals myself, it's nice to have them always work, and I'd stress Genis pick up T skills first for Prism Stars) but the one that really sticks out to me is
>Kratos/Zelos: Strike
Cause that's nuts to me. Their technical skills are massively better - Slasher, Super Chain, Sky Combo, Dash (Spell combo and Speed Cast if you want to go that way too). Going S is just crippling the character

>>3780304
There being so few choices for peak narrative? I agree

>>3780310
It's about the artes

schrodinger's coffee

am i really supposed to believe that sheena, presea, and raine all want to fuck lloyd?

>>3780487
Is it that hard to believe when you're traveling all around the world for months at a time and the only other options are an obnoxious gigolo, a reserved prisoner with "dad of the group" energy and a kid? Lloyd's around their same age sans Presea, is handsome, is the defacto leader of the group, and in the case of Sheena you can call her cute and a friend of the group while she's still trying to kill Colette. With that said, I'll agree Raine falling for him is weird. With Sheena and Colette you can tell they like him regardless of player route, but with Raine it's murkier.

>>3780569
maybe sheena isn't that weird but with raine and presea i still find it odd.
it also just feels weird for lloyd to have all the girls lusting for him (or it feels weird for that potential to be there i should say i guess) when he's also a "clownish" character. he's the butt of the joke often.
and dotnw makes all the girls' affection for him kinda weird because he proposes to an iselia npc woman to try to cheer up her kid.
would lloyd's harem be okay with him proposing to another girl? wtf?

was mithos a siscon?

>>3780569
Did Raine even fall for Lloyd, tho. Isn't it just a older sister or mentor thing?

>>3780599
Yeah... the entire game rotates around the shit he does to pork her.

Ah yes, people lusting for my waifu since 2003.

>>3780618
It was, is, will always be my waifu too compadre. They will never understand what is to love raine.

>>3780600
In Symphonia, for sure. Issue is DotNW has them dating if you choose her as the one Lloyd had the Flanoir scene with.

Symphonia 2 remaster is the next one, trust me

>>3780668
Could you fucking imagine

>>3780310
In Sheena's case, you basically throw away all of her damage if you go purely Absolute and two hits at 75% chance or whatever it is, gives you a high enough proc rate (~93%). Its just that Def Down is objectively the best one.
Kratos/Zelos are a case where you take all their Strike artes and then go to T when you're done.

Anal sex with Edna

>>3780569
>>3780581
Huh it's the first time i've actually seen people calling it out. Usually it's just selfinserters celebrating the narrative. Glad that i'm not the only one who thinks Lloyd having literally all the girls fall for him is weird.
Well we do have Jude too but it's not that much obvious and Elize ends up getting paired with that dickhead Alvin.

>>3780727
>Elize ends up getting paired with that dickhead Alvin.
I'm pretty sure the the party tends to get written as
Jude/Milla, Leia/Alvin (ironic considering what happened to her near the end of X1), Elise/Rowan, Gaius/Muzet and Ludget/Elle.

>>3780735
I will never accept Leia/Alvin. That traitorous bitch doesn't deserve a sweet cutie like Leia.

how many times did alvin betray the party?

>>3780718
That maybe matters if you're using sheena as a player controlled character, but in my case that's pretty rare (I've played enough to know I'd rather use pretty much any other attacker). So her doing the debuff in the 1 hit is more important to me, because the debuff is more important that what she's actually doing because she's comparatively not landing that many hits in the first place

Alvin literally shoots Leia. He doesn't deserve her.
Nice handshake, tho.

Next Tales needs victory fanfares back. And this as one
https://youtube.com/shorts/46MsVdi3Mvg?feature=shared

>>3780789
>ok this time I'm not going to play lloyd
>everyone else sucks except regal and presea
>you get them halfway through the game and they leave the party a few times
>play lloyd anyway because he's just pretty good and easy to play

i always liked how lloyd could say some of the dumbest things and then act all smug afterwards as if he thought his retardation was clever.

>>3780849
Zelos ans Kratos are pretry good. Abuse of Spell cancelling.

>>3780859
I love when Genis or Raine roast him.

>>3780861
i liked when he would sometimes get flustered afterwards.

>>3780789
>More damage
>More hits for count/stagger
>Only Power Seal/Force Seal actually matter for debuffs and Force Seal can't be Pinion'd/Absolute'd anyway
In the off chance that you want to use Sheena, you need a Pinion to do her functional infinite too.
All Absolute is just making her worse in everyway whether as PC or AI.

>>3780849
i only thought it sucked to play the mages and sheena

>"thank fuck I don't ever have to play as She-"

>>3781074
those fights were shit

should the next tales game go back to symphonia's chibi style?

>>3781088
No

>>3781074
>Force Seal
>Bap Bap Bap Power Seal, Serpent Seal Pinion Pyre Seal

>>3781094
Based, fuck Assbel

>>3781094
Cringe, fuck LLoyd

>>3781105
>fuck Lloyd
YES

>>3781105
I wish but i'd rather fuck mithos.

>>3780581
Raine is actually the anomaly. Presea's potential crush on him can work.
He's the only guy in the team that doesn't treat her like some of goddess (Genis), sex object if not simply ignored (Zelos), and then there's Regal where she obviously has lingering resentment to him. And mentally even though she's not that developed, it's not believable to see how she'd have some romantic interest with Genis's obvious immature child-like crush when she just simply humors him in several skits.

>>3781122
sell me on lloyd x presea.
only thing i can think that really makes it believable is how lloyd saved her.

>>3781122
Presea might be 28 y/o, but she has both the body and life experience/maturity of a 12 y/o. She never mentally developed all those years using the Cruxis Crystal, it's basically a child that stayed on a cryogenic chamber.
It's pedo af.

>>3781145
You clearly don't know what 12 year olds act like. Same as the people who equate Luke to a 7 year old.

>>3781145
Never seen 5 year gap relationships irl?
>she has both the body and life experience/maturity of a 12 y/o
She goes around the world killing monsters with a giant axe, what are you on about

Is the Tales of Symphonia remake on PS5 that bad? I don't have a PC but I have a PS5 and it's on sale for $10

From what I gather the only real issue is 30fps, but I played it on PS2 originally, and im a console cuck so im used to that dogshit

>>3781175
i'm assuming it's not much if any worse than the ps3 version, which basically just had the 30fps problem and i still had fun with it.
i've only really heard about the switch version being terrible.

but i recommend getting a pc sometime to play it and several other games.
you can emulate shit, buy stuff dirt cheap on keysites (tos is $3-$5 for example),
and install mods (tosfix, emulated 60fps, free run).

>>3781146
Neither do you, pedo trash. Genis doesn't act like a real kid, but is still 12 y/o.
>>3781164
>goes around the world fighting monsters
So does Genis or Karol.
Tell me how that equates to have a relationship with a 17 y/o (19 in DotNW). You guys are sick and are probably fine with the Ken S.Link with FeMC in P3 Portable.

Or Yuri getting laid with Patty

>>3781181
>So does Genis or Karol
And I wouldn't consider them regular kids, either
>Tell me how that equates to have a relationship with a 17 y/o
Never seen 5 year gap relationships irl?
>19 in DotNW
Is he the only one to age two years?
>You guys are sick
You know where's the exit

>>3781175
>remake
Retard

real talk:
lloyd's concept design looks like he was originally left handed.
he's right handed in the finished product though, obviously.
i assume he was made right handed ingame to fit the camera angle in battles better so he would have his front to the camera in a battle stance.
or maybe the right handedness came even sooner than that.

i also think that's why his exsphere is on his left hand — because he was originally meant to be left handed.

>>3781185
>Never seen 5 year gap relationships irl?
You being a pedo incel won't make a relationship with a girl that is mentally and physically 12 y/o normal.
>Is he the only one to age two years?
A 19 y/o with a girl that is 14 y/o is hardly normal either
>You know where's the exit
I accept your concession of being a pedo and wrong

is lloyd a pedo?

>>3781191
>You being a blah blah black
So I assume you have seen 5 year gaps in irl relationships?
>A 19 y/o with a girl that is 14 y/o is hardly normal either
Is it the exact same gap as in the first game? Why bring it up as it it was a bigger deal then?
>I accept your concession of being a pedo
I'm a sucker for Sheena's big ninja bazongas thoughever? Didn't get Presea's Flanoir scene once, doesn't make you any less wrong

>>3781195
You picked the worst Symphonia pairing to defend, is a retard and a pedo, sorry.

i thought presea was mentally her actual age.
not saying i like the pairing but i thought it was just her body that didn't age.

>>3781198
>no argument
Concession accepted

>>3781177
Yeah i probably should. I keep waiting for parts prices to come down but lole i should just accept it

even some fanart makes him look left handed.
i assume they're basing his appearance off his concept art

>>3781210
i don't think pc prices will come down for a while.
at least in the u.s.a.
i don't know where you're from though.

either way, i hope you have fun with symphonia when you play it regardless of which version it is

>>3781175
Every single port after the original GameCube release is the same except the recent Switch one (in that the Switch one is even more fucked). There's no difference, I guess on PC you could do some light modding.

Bring back IP count

Tales of Arise is genuinely a good game.

>>3781258
Worse than tempest

>>3781258
Maybe, but it has some trash mechanics that should never return.

>>3781258
Arguable

...what kind of name is Olselge, anyway

I've never thought about Sheena's higher-level seals, thanks guys.

>>3780581
I agree. There is an obvious difference between the emotionally approachable characters meant to be used to explore others and an insert character, and they sort of use one to achieve the other. Obviously Colette and Sheena being interested make sense on the character level alone, and I don't recall that Presea really does, really?

>>3780859
Yup.

>>3781175
It is the same as the PS3 version content wise, so PS2 content and nice new UI but 30 FPS and a center-cropped FOV. The "Remastered" version has poor AI-upscaled textures and let's you skip the handful of animated cutscenes. Only the Switch version has performance issues that I recall.

>>3781258
Can you point at the good parts? I don't see them.

>>3781199
Her mind basically shut off so she wasn't aware of what was happening (ie her dad). So you could take either route where she's literally 12 in psyche or her brain developed while in "robot mode" but her emotional and mental capacities didn't.

>>3781394
>Only the Switch version has performance issues that I recall.
Cyclone still uses Healing Wind's animation.
"Cyclone"'s 12 hits all happen in less than a second so it's horrible for combo-locking in the Switch version.

>>3781258
Game reviewers and newfags would never say that if the game looked like Zestiria. You know it's true.

Are Kratos/Zelos and Genis cases of most of their better artes being on the side with the worse skills?

>>3781074
just don't go back to Mizuho for like 20 hours and then you'll be leveled up enough to not care - pro-strat if you don't care to get good

>>3781199
>>3781506
It's implied to be more the second - it's not like she doesn't remember the years between, she has functionally lived and has the experiences of an adult. She's essentially a recovering autist???

>>3781759
>K/Z
It's close enough with the artes that it doesn't really matter imo. They honestly don't have that many artes that are exclusive anyways. The strike ones do slightly more damage if all the hits hit, and probably the strongest reason you'd have for going S is access to Grave Blade - but that does require you to 1-grind the shit out of FDF and 2-keep them set up with earth damage weapons/Ruby/quartz/etc. to even use it. Nothing changes in terms of Unison skill options either.
But as I said above, the T skills are massively better - you'll 100% want to end up on those.
>G
At the end of the day, what you want from Genis is to eventually get Concentrate - which is a mix of T and S skills 3 T and 1 S - anything else is going to be worse, cuz that effect is the best and most of the ones contributing to it are also good.

In terms of spells, S tends to (but not always) do a bit more damage with the mid level spells, but are usually harder to hit (Spread vs Aqua Laser for example). There are good high level spells on both paths - S gives him access to Prism Sword which gives him (pretty strong) Light damage and Absolute which is the only high level Ice spell. T on the other hand has Tidal Wave which is great for groups, and of course Explosion and Indignation for big damage.
There's a strong argument for mixing both sets. But if I had to pick one, I'd lean T - access to the unison skill Prism Stars is really good.
And you get Meteor Storm either way so like... do whatever really.

>>3781963
Prism Stars is good but Holy Lance is a much better spell than Ray. Raine and Genis also interfere with each other due to the spell queue mechanic too, so you tend to want to prioritize spells with faster animations to stop them from locking each other down.
Everyone hypes up Absolute and Prism Sword but spells like Atlas, Spark Wave and so on are underrated.

make a new thread with a Stahn image

>>3782211

>>3780727
Romance is barely a thing in Symphonia, so I wouldn't even say they fall for him. The entire party, including the guys, eventually comes to appreciate Lloyd and his straightforward idealism. He's Genis' best friend because of it, Zelos gets out of his ditch and turns around because of him and Kratos betrays Mithos to help him. Sheena just gets flustered on top of that.