is this game good or a meme?

>>3785077 (OP)
It's the Final Fantasy for people who prefer Dragon Quest over Final Fantasy.

>>3785077 (OP)
Good if it's your first time playing FF.
Kinda meh if you've played 6 and 7.
>>3785081
I don't understand how you correlate 9 with any iteration of DQ. There is nothing more similar between those two as other old FFs with DQ.

>>3785082
>I don't understand how you correlate 9 with any iteration of DQ.
The FF series overall is innovative and experimental with its entries. There is progression and change in the mechanics and presentation of each game. The exception being FF9, which is a "return to form" with a classic fantasy setting, characters with fixed classes, and straightforward atb combat. It's the Final Fantasy for people who don't like that the FF series goes in a a new direction with every game. It's the Final Fantasy for people who want a basic fantasy jrpg.

>>3785092
Almost every single other FF from 1 to 10 is better than 9. Maybe 9 beats 2, but that's about it.

>>3785077 (OP)
It's an uneven game. I think it's because people really hate ff8.

>>3785077 (OP)
it has a really vocal hatebase. you should play it yourself and find out.

>>3785077 (OP)
I personally love FF9, my only complaint was the absurd difficulty of some the manual dexterity mini-games and obtaining certain rare steals. The only ones I like better are probably 4, 6 and 7. It was a breath of fresh air after the garbage fire that was 8. The franchise died for me with 10.

>>3785136
Both fan and hate base are equally vocal imo.

>>3785077 (OP)
It's anti-zoomer kino. The whole game is filled with permanently missable stuff that you don't actually need to beat the game, so it drives zoomers fucking insane with how hard it is to 100% with a walkthrough

>>3785077 (OP)
It's not terrible but for me it definately leaned more towards meme, not even trying to hate on it but I say meme in that supposedly this game is supposed to be a return to form/classic FF style when it does not attempt actually to be like the older games in the series, it's just more of a linear set piece movie game style JRPG with lots of cutscenes and drama and preset characters (that you can't even change their class or anything). If that sort a thing is what you like then fine, a lot of JRPGs are kinda about that but that's not really what made the early Final Fantasy games interesting and yet it also doesn't feel like it pushes any boundaries for what Final Fantasy is actually about either, I prefer 7 and 8 far more.

>>3785172
I assure you no one gives a fuck about that and I think it's actively a problem that the game wants you to mindlessly spam steal from every boss for the whole game. You want actual anti-zoomer kino filled with missables? Check out fucking Legend of Mana.

>>3785183
>nobody cares about that
>in the exact same post, bitches about thieving
That's exactly what I'm talking about. You can go the whole game without stealing anything and still win.

>>3785182
How anyone likes 8 after the first disc is beyond me. Like, SeeD was novel and Edea was a good antagonist but the junction system was the most autistic nonsense ever prior to the sphere grid. Time compression and the contrived amnesia story were just patently absurd. It also had perhaps the most unlikeable cast of characters (prior to 10).
I guess it was like the proto-nu Final Fantasy made for normies that every FF after PS1 would become. FF9 was just comfy. Simple as.

>>3785183
Legend of Mana is quite good. Not as good as Secret of Mana or Seiken Densetsu 3, but still a classic. Unfortunate Squeenix butchered it with their PC rerelease.

>>3785187
>You can go the whole game without stealing anything and still win.
I know full well, but I'm just pointing out that steal is kinda a shitty mechanic despite it being the protagonist's original identy, steal was much better done in Chrono Cross where they didn't waste your time, which conicidentally also had a important thief character

>>3785077 (OP)
a good meme

>>3785198
The remaster was basically identical, even having an option to use the original graphics. I think the only thing that changed was that a single character's appearance was censored for some reason. Not a great change but to be honest I couldn't really give that much of a shit.

>>3785077 (OP)
>is this game good or a meme?
The mainline FF series peaked on the PSX, FFIX was the weakest of the bunch but it wasn't a bad game. The problem was it was trying to cash in on nostalgia when the reality was, at the time, the previous entries weren't so renowned in the west.

>>3785082
I'd argue V desu.
Because it's kino like DQV. in fact holy shit if you were a kid in the 1991/1992 you were fucking winning man.

It's got a comfy setting and music but the story is shit and the characters are forgettable except that frog dude.
Also all the coolest looking characters for the party have all the shittiest stats for some reason.

>>3787521
>Forgettable characters
This game was a meme before 4chan existed.

>>3785245
FFV was never kino, sorry

>>3788364
Sorry ignore this schizo take, i misread

>>3785182
>it definately leaned more towards meme
figures you have an opinion like this when you can't spell

>>3785077 (OP)

It´s the best FF of the golden age.

>>3788374
Beatrice's Theme (Roses of May) is such a great song, one of Nobuo's best.
>>3785077 (OP)
It's my favorite of the psone games, I can 8 insufferable and 7 is still good but overhyped. I think I like FFV more, but both of them are Top 5 for sure, maybe Top 3.

>>3789957
>one of Nobuo's best
Don't you dare say that when you only have played FF9 as a reference

>>3790001
What's wrong with enjoying a solo piano piece? Roses of May is beautiful, even if it isn't as ambitious or as complicated as some of his other work.

>>3790018
>what's wrong with enjoying a solo piano piece
Well then why did you claim it's the best?

>>3790032
I said one of his best, not his best.

>>3790043
>one of his best but not his best
Still not buying it, it doesn't even make top 20 desu
I did make a mistake when writing >>3790032 tho

>>3790051
Not buying that I haven't played more games beyond FF9, is that your claim?
I find Roses of May to be beautiful, the piano melody is unexpectedly catchy and has stuck in my head for years. One aspect I like a lot is how it has this "marching feel" to it but still digresses into a more "fantastical" melody before returning back to the more "march-like" melody. This is a dynamic I really like about it, and it's cool that Nobuo can get it across in such a short song with only one instrument. I also find that the use of one instrument adds to the "starkness" of the song, allowing the notes to feel more impactful and carry greater emotional weight. You can't be all Dancing Mad all the time.
What are your favorites? Maybe then we can understand more why we disagree.

>>3790068
Theme of Love - FFIV (DS is better)
Home Sweet Home - FFV
Lenna's Theme - FFV
Coin of Fate - FFVI
Anxious Heart - FFVII

These are some of my fav melancholic themes from Uematsu, unordered
Roses of May is too repetitive and cheesy for me, which is a bit of an outlier for Uematsu themes I guess

>>3785139
IV, VI and VII are the best in the series. There's no contest there. I just wish they added all of the extra content the DS titles had when they did the pixel remaster thing. I love end-game bonus dungeons and super bosses.

>>3789957

Roses of May is indeed great and don´t let anyone convince you otherwise. IX has a really great OST across the board too with themes like "you are not alone" and "Eternal Harvest" not to mention some fantastic area themes that give each location a distinct personality and atmosphere like the Terra theme, danger in the forest or the one for secret library daguerreo.

And let´s not forget about some of the battle or situational themes like wavering blade, festival of the hunt or city under siege. All amazing.

It was a constant of the PS1 era FF games to have fantastic OSTs though so i guess i´m not surprised at other people having different picks.

>>3785077 (OP)
It's distinctly mid. Good characters, shit story. Fun combat, but lots of grinding.

>>3792052
>good characters
FFIX characters are the epitome of style over substance for me. The designs are appealing at first glance, but ultimately the characters themselves are as shallow as puddle.
>Fun combat
Lol among the worst in the ATB era of FFs, maybe only bit better than FFIV
>Shit story
Similar level with the quality of the characters. Interesting, pulpy at first glance but falls off as it progresses.

The best part of FFIX is the unique setting, However despite being quite distinct compared to other JRPGs it doesn't stand out among FF games, which is why I disagree with people calling it the best or even one of the best.

>>3785183
GAK

>>3785077 (OP)
One of the best soundtracks

>>3785077 (OP)
The combat is ass but it has some stirring scenes

>>3785101
9 shits on 8

>>3785092
>The exception being FF9
>the FF series goes in a a new direction with every game
If ff9 is the exception how is that no going in a new direction

>>3785077 (OP)
I genuinely don't understand how anyone doesn't find the FF9 chibis revolting

>>3792277
Because history has proven that they do not want to return to doing classic RPGs when given the chance.

>>3785077 (OP)
If you enjoy jrpgs, yeah. FFIX with moguri mod and your pc/steam deck/handheld pc hooked to a nice tv is a premium experience that mops the floor with just about any modern jarpig.

>>3792304
I simply don't try to imagine fucking them

>>3785136
The "vocal hatebase" are ff8fags. I don't know why but they made hating ff9 their whole personality.

>>3785077 (OP)
It has GODAWFUL pacing

>>3793501
>The "vocal hatebase" are ff8fags
>Ctrl+f "FF8"
>Results are shitting on 8 harder than 9
Someone's projecting their insecurities.

>>3788374
Disagree

>>3793506
You're an 8fag, aren't you?

>>3793511
>Everyone who disagrees with me is the same person

>>3793515
You are, aren't you?

>>3793515
That's a yes. I don't know what's with like a handful of people having an autistic dislike of 9 but it's really off-putting.

>>3792019
VI is the worst mainline game on the Snes.

>>3785082
This. It's a solid game, but it just doesn't stack up to ones like 5 or 10 if you ask me. And 7 and 8 have such a rabid fanbase behind them that you won't get a coherent answer to any other games that aren't those.

>>3793618
Also, and take this for what it's worth, I actually thought 16 was amazing from front to back. Yea it's completely an action game, but from a character and overall story perspective it excelled. But 5, 10, and 15 would probably round out my top 3. You get the best from each era of FF

FFV schizo needs to take his meds
>>3793573
It's not dislike but more like backlash against the IX schizos overselling their game.

>>3793894
>but more like backlash
So they're retarded. What's new

>>3793519
>>3793573
No cloud, no squall shall hinder 9ffags seething.

>>3793622
10 is too linear. 9 almost always gave you multiple options of what to do, how to play. 9 is the pinnacle of the golden age.

>>3793506
Or maybe people just actually hate 8 more than 9. Not everything you disagree with is "fake news", Trumptard.

>>3793983
9's overworld was hella fun to explore. It had a great layout and hunting chocograph treasure spots was super fun. Kinda shocked it took FF that long to actually put treasures and things to interact with on the overworld.

>>3785077 (OP)
It's great. Unless you're a minmaxer, then it's bad.

>>3785077 (OP)
As someone who likes FF games, it's my least favorite after 8.

>>3792272
That's not saying much.

>>3794008
Not a minmaxxer. It's not bad, but pales in comparison to 4,6,7 in terms of story beats.

>>3792019
>IV, VI, and VII the best.
Mostly agree. I think all the originally translated games (save VIII) were awesome. FFI was amazing for its time - sadly the remasters never got it right. IV is a well paced story throughout, with a great ending, and short - something modern game makers don't appreciate. FFVII starts out great and stays great through the end.

>FFVI weakest mainline game.
I don't entirely disagree. I don't like to count II, III, and V because they were never originally translated, and for good reason - they suck each in their own special ways. I also don't like to count VIII because it's a drag of a game that found a new way to completely suck and I prefer to not think about it - kinda wonder why they bothered translating it. FFVI has the best early and mid game of anything; it's too bad they couldn't keep it up and really seems like they didn't care enough to write a good ending. I think IX was also very good in the early parts and then couldn't keep it up; it sputtered between good and adequate from the middle to the end. IV and IX are still decent games, and I think IX is better than VI. So yeah, discounting II, III, V, and VIII, VI is the weakest mainline game.

>>3785077 (OP)
The pro-speedrun FF.

>>3785077 (OP)
Played it recently and its a mediocre game at best.

>Good parts
The music: has some of the best tracks in the series
The aesthetics: a unique steampunk setting mixed with whimsical elements
2 good characters on the heroes side

>Bad parts
Gameplay: bad combat, terribly paced, itemization that are an afterthought, bad enemy design, no strategical or tactical depth, encourages spamming basic abilities, minigames that come down to luck rather than skill.
World design & exploration: bad cookie cutters encounters, shallow dungeon design, unrewarding exploration and puzzles
story: a complete rehash of ff4, poor pacing, tonally inconsistent, overly simplistic themes.
villains: underdeveloped, comes out of nowhere and inconsistent motivations.


Overall i'd say its not good since it fumbles all the important parts of a videogame, but it has a heart and soul, so its a 4.5/10 maybe 5 if you are feeling generous.

>>3792019
IV sucks, it's constant stupid asspulls of party member 'deaths' and the grinding is egregious.
V mogs it in every way.

Its just another furfaggot game, only literal faggots like this shit
if not a faggot you can pretend it doesnt exist

>>3800756
call them "stupid asspulls" but they are actually entertaining

Honestly FF5/9 seem to have an overlap of a nothingburger story