Thread 3795670

Was she a good friend and party member, all things considered?

No, she was an absolute retard because she fucks off in the epilogue giving you some bullshit about how she'd kill you otherwise and it's like bitch we've got resurrection scrolls out the ass and know several level 20 casters capable of bringing my ass back what are you TALKING about, death is irrelevant to either of us
Also there's already a WotR thread, c'mon guy.

>>3795670 (OP)
Top 3 rpg romance options of all time, and the only interesting companion I’ve seen in a cRPG made in this millennium.

>>3795670 (OP)
She was never your friend, she is a rabid dog that needs to be put down.
Also she is easily replaceable by multiple companions who are way more interesting than her.

>>3795670 (OP)
She was helpful, was she not?

>>3795732
>she is easily replaceable by multiple companions
i actually had a hard time replacing her, she's like a swiss knife that can do anything

>>3795670 (OP)
She’s a fine addition if you’re going demon route and an ol’ yeller that’s outlived her usefulness on literally every other route. Also
>make physically attractive noble woman companion
>she’s a chaotic evil serial killer
Owlcat derives an insane amount of pleasure from routinely disappointing average male gamers.

she's interesting because she's the "lol, lmao even" counterpart to the excessive redemption storylines

>>3795670 (OP)
Terrible one dimensional character only enjoyed by retards that think being unapologetically evil is some kind of automatic top tier character writing (it isn't) or waifufags that simply want to fuck her
It doesn't surprise me, however, seeing as she shares writer with the absolute worst companion not just in that game, but in CRPGs in general

>>3795754
>Owlcat derives an insane amount of pleasure from routinely disappointing average male gamers.
They had batshit crazy femoid writers, they did a purge tho, as evidence by the fact it got way better in RT.
One of them got fired and she made a tweetlonger about the execs tard wrangling her into not spewing excessive anti-men hatred.
Its on one of the 400 pages of the wotr thread on the dex, cba to find it.

>>3795670 (OP)
she was a good fuck

>>3795674
>giving you some bullshit about how she'd kill you otherwise

someone has to be around to use the scrolls but yeah, kinda pretentious of her to believe she could kill the KC

>>3795762
I mean, yeah, and? Post-game you probably have enough people loyal to you to do it if you ever keel over. And if not? You really think Daeran wouldn't check in on his homeboy once in a while to make sure he's not fucking dead from partying with his crazy girl too hard? You think Sosiel wouldn't guilt-trip himself into bringing back even a Commander he disagreed with? You think Ember wouldn't bust a 9th level spell the second she got a letter saying "I'm dead pls help"? Resurrection doesn't even need anything more than a body part, and if Cam-Cam is clear-headed enough to fuck outta there out of worry, she'd GET clear-headed enough to send someone an eyeball or something as both a focus and a funny prank after the murder, and hey, True Resurrection (not present in game due to not being relevant, but still technically applicable) doesn't even need that, you just recite the name and date of death. Easy stuff. And that's without getting into all the other spells that aren't in the game but are in PF in general, like Contingency or Wish or what have you.
And, yes, ALL of that is assuming that she'd be able to pull it off in the first place without KC letting her for a laugh or something, which is one hell of a long shot. But I'm indulging that possibility here since the point is that even IF she was right, it wouldn't matter in the end.
Basically she's talking out of her ass and, far as I'm concerned, it's just a shitty excuse for her obvious fear of commitment, and that is unquestionably cringe.

>>3795784
If she can't kill you relationship with you is going to just be eternal blueballing. She wants you dead.

>>3795759
really? someone should post the rant that sounds great

>>3795812
Then, again, could just let her do it and get brought back. Death is really not a big deal for level 20 motherfuckers. Hell, there's a ten year cap on True Resurrection, if KC is feeling real spicy he could chill in the Boneyard for a while to let her really get her rocks off before returning.
Now you could argue that just knowing that ruins it for her, but goddamn girl, be honest at least, don't give me some pseudo-sappy "I want to kill you but I don't want to kill you" shit, you know? But I just don't think that's the case here. Considering just how okay you have to be with her being a murderous psycho to get the romance really going, one has to assume she'd be honest about something like that. And that means she hasn't thought of it that much, and that in turn makes her really, really dumb.

>>3795759
>it got way better in RT.
Which one is "way better" the CANNOT TOUCH xeno scum, the misshapen fish mutant, the used goods pirate, or the omega edgy faggot elf?

her biggest sin is... killing some unnamed NPC that has absolutely no bearing on the plot

judging her for this is peak redditor moralfagging, it's absurd

>>3796193
Bait used to be believable

>>3796194
why should I care? if she killed a party member it would be different, but the people she kills are nothing to me

>>3795670 (OP)
I didn't play any characters that didn't kill her. The range of characters that make any sense as the commander of the crusade but also interested in being '80s satan worshipper evil is pretty narrow.

>>3796198
I don't care how mentally broken you are, insisting anyone with the ability to more broadly emulate empathy is a redditor is peak retardation

>>3796200
keeping her alive is the practical and sensibile decision

>>3796206
>Me? I rub my sissy clitty about how morally righteous I am because I avenged the death of an unnamed NPC in a video game. I'm not a redditor tho

>>3796210
Yeah that's about the quality of response I expected from you.

>>3796211
Is he wrong though?

>>3796207
Why? It's a mercenary with the possibility of a bad PR hit, assassination attempt, or random betrayal for the hell of it.

>>3796216
party members with barkskin are more useful than any of that shit

>>3796217
>A mercenary

>>3796213
>elementary school level response
>pretending you're not samefagging
The absolute state

>>3796218
sir that costs money

>>3796220
I have it

>>3796219
Is he wrong though?

>>3796175
None of those besides the token brown whore cuck you unlike the bitch OP posted so yes, they're all an improvement, Cassia is the pure young virgin you've been begging for over 5 years and Kibellah is utterly obsessed with you and gives you kids
Waifutards, as always, find something to complain about huh

>>3796175
It got better on multiple levels, you didn't have 500 lines of dialogue about tentacle sex, 500 lines about cuck this cuck that, for example, or the absolutely horrendous humor of the pathfinder games generally speaking. Not just waifus (you retard)

>>3795670 (OP)

She never killed anyone i wouldn´t have killed myself. Ok, fine, i did protect some of them by sending them away and putting them beyond her reach but nothing she would notice.

It´s honestly pretty helpful to have a friend like her when you are in a position of power when you think about it. There is always political opposition and she has access to all high society events and the right disposition. Just don´t get too close and have Greybor keep an eye on her as a reasonable precaution.

>>3797312
>There is always political opposition and she has access to all high society events
What the fuck are you talking about kek
Camellia is literally a bastard, she's irrelevant, Daeran is the important noble, not her, there's a reason why he's the one who helps you in the Crusade councils while she doesn't do jack shit

>>3797318

Horgus acknowledges her as his daughter and leaves everything to her in his will

>>3797338
And then she leaves

>>3795757
>she's interesting because she's the "lol, lmao even" counterpart to the excessive redemption storylines
Yes. She's a delightful subversion of the "I can fix her with my dick" trope of nu-RPGs.
>>3795758
>Terrible one dimensional character only enjoyed by retards that think being unapologetically evil is some kind of automatic top tier character writing (it isn't)
Imagine "not getting it" this badly.
>or waifufags that simply want to fuck her
There are no waifufags for Camellia. They are all obsessed with their ran-through succubus housewife (lol, lmao)

>>3797360
>There are no waifufags for Camellia
hahahahahaha
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

In Act 5, I started to get stuck on 100% loading screens, in particular when trying to leave the campaign map in Drezen. Anyone got any solutions? The only mod I use is ToyBox.

>>3797574
It started to throw error messages when I loaded an earlier save.

This character was stupid, the game was garbage, and you're all fags for liking it.

>>3797312
Except she's established as a dumb fuckup that will kill politically connected people in sloppy easily tracked ways because she's in it for the risk and suicidality as much as the kill

>>3797360
There's nothing to get or subvert, romancing her literally requires to let her continue murdering people, you're just making shit up to make her sound more deep than she actually is
>There are no waifufags for Camellia
lol
lmao even
Try browsing /v/ or /vg/ one day, actually no

>>3795670 (OP)
the only people this character appeals to are midwitted fartsniffers who think "subverting expectations" is some sort of writing genius.

Just read the replies in this thread.

>>3797728
I just think she's fun

>>3797365
>>3797721
>uhhhhh yeah there’s totally all these Cam-Cam fags that exist only in my mind they’re just uhhhh all on other boards that aren’t here and no I won’t provide even a single example, just trust me bro
Meanwhile, this board is inundated with simping for a literal succubus whose totally a pvre virgin tradwife you don’t understand

>>3795670 (OP)
>Was she a good friend and party member, all things considered?
Not as good as picrelated

>>3797788
>Cam-Cam
Self report
>I won’t provide even a single example
Okay, here you go
Camtards thinking they're above the behavior of other waifufags will never not be funny

>>3796193
>play as a supreme commander in a projected war with outer beings deciding the fate of the entire world
>hurr durr, why should I care if there’s a serial killer in my stronghold?? I don’t care about people, durrr
You have unfathomable retardation.

>>3796227
>>3796213
Yes, and you are so mind-boggling braindead that you fail to comprehend the issues with letting a serial killer go wild in projected warfare where every body counts and failing to maintain proper logistics will collapse your military.
>new recruits? Nah it’s fine if they die to letting some noble brat fail impulse control
>who cares if the quartermasters and merchants die? people suck
>the stable masters are dead? Horses are weird, don’t need them anyway
>wtf, why is the army suddenly starving and has no equipment? How did this happen? Ugh

>>3795670 (OP)
She was a perverted little sex kitten, so yes. I'll never forget when I went in there to see her having killed that dude and she immediately needed my cock to come off of the high. Say what you want about the game's wokeness, but that part was worth it. Where is my homicidal maniac sex fiend?

>>3795670 (OP)

She is difficult to build if you don´t like her given class but still want to be somewhat true to the character. Like, she doesn´t really work as an assassin or vampire because both of those require INT and she is dumb as a brick. Only reason she is never caught is because she is helpful, is she not?

>>3800328
>my cock
Any cock, not yours, she goes to fuck some other random guy if you say no or if you play as a woman

>>3797778
I don't believe you. There was nothing to this character.
In fact, she was barely a character.
There was no arc, nothing.

>>3800328
this post reeks of desperation.

>>3795670 (OP)
No she was a poorly written character

>>3800472
She is not my favorite character or anything and I didn't use her that much, but it was refreshing how she's straight-up evil. Not antihero with a dark backstory evil, not moustache-twirling buffoon evil, just straight up unapologetically fucked up person who never gets better. How many RPG companions like that can you name? Not everyone needs a deep arc or character growth to be entertaining.

>>3796217
like lann? or daeran? or sosiel?

>>3800472
Her arc was corrupting you, the player, in the hopes that you could redeem her.

>>3801024
That's not an arc, that's you making stuff up to make her sound more deep than she actually is. Again, you literally have to let her MURDER PEOPLE if you want to romance her

>>3801025
>Again, you literally have to let her MURDER PEOPLE if you want to romance her
not true, you can just tell her no when she asks

>>3801048
If you don't allow her to keep going with her "rituals" you can't romance her

>>3801053
no, you can romance her and forbid her murdering people, I've done it myself

>>3801056
I distinctly remember the game not allowing you romance her if you spared her but told her to stop, she obviously didn't offer to fuck and got pissy and after that there was no option to flirt or anything of the sort

>>3797312
>There is always political opposition and she has access to all high society events and the right disposition.
No dice, you'd task her with assassinating the Mr. Pain in the Ass and she'd cuck you with him and kill your most trusted advisor instead.
>- WTF???
>- I just felt like doing that lol))))

Might sound shocking but mentally unstable people are mentally unstable.

>>3801071
>>3801056
I think we have the traditional Owlcat fucked up flags issue here.

Why are we still pretending this game has good enough writing to keep talking about any character years after release?

Right because its an owltranny game. Lets keep talking to bots about how exciting this trash game was

>>3801071
>>3801253
if you don't let her kill certain NPCs she eventually chimps out in her final personal quest but an active romance bypasses the kill flags, she won't attack a PC she's in a romance with

so yeah the most effective way to keep her alive and not kill people is to give her the dick

>>3801291
I'd rather give her the pointy end of the sword. I ran through her quest and when she tried to kill Horgus, stopped her and eviscerated like I should have done long time ago in Drezen. I guess I was curious.

>>3800493
I agree. Much more refreshing than the poorly written subversive moral relativism reddit crap of "you don't understand, the bad characters are actually le good".

>>3795746
What did you build her up to find yourself this crippled by her absence?

>>3795670 (OP)
shit

>>3797788
>simping for a literal succubus
yes
>whose totally a pvre virgin tradwife you don’t understand
your projection

>>3796217
>>3800902
This, never used her because I hate her class. Still had barkskin on every party member 24/7. Didn't use sosiel either. Daeran is all you need with mythic levels.

>>3800493
she was amusingly bad, which was entertaining enough for me to go through her whole questline in my run which counts for a good amount when characters like the paladin and cleric exist

>friend
Her idea of 'friendship' is that of a child, just someone who will agree with her and enable her to do whatever she feels like.
>party member
Her class is mediocre at best, and while she's far from the largest source of friction in the team, she never proves herself loyal to anything or anyone but herself.
So no both. Terrible friend, middling party member.

>>3802779
>Her idea of ‘friendship’ is that of a child, just someone who will agree with her and enable her to do whatever she feels like
Which is entirely unsurprising considering Horgus’ hands off parenting. She was never told “no” as a child nor given any responsibilities outside of herself. Anything she wanted, he gave her.

>>3803457
Naturally. Being brought up by a retard is a fine enough reason/excuse, but it doesn't make it any less of a flaw, especially given she has no interest in getting better even in that regard.

>>3795754
mods can fix her

>>3795670 (OP)
No, because she thinks it's ok to be a cunt towards children.