I don't get the appeal.

>>3803528 (OP)
You had to be there at the time it released

>>3803528 (OP)
chuds like to larp as rome, simple as

>>3803545
>chuds like to larp as rome, simple as
Accurate.
>t. chud

>le romans... In based fallout!
This shit is so cringe, like put cowboys and soviets too

The writers didn't understand irl warrior aristocracies, so they had some pussy nerd that reads Hegel at the helm, since that was ironically closer and more familiar to their conception of "power".

The writers didn't understand irl warrior aristocracies, so they had some pussy nerd that reads Hegel at the helm since that sort of depiction was ironically more familiar to their conception of "power".

>>3803528 (OP)
Ancient Rome is cool. You wouldn't get it unless you were a bookish child.

>>3803528 (OP)
Perfect faction for sub 5 intelligence retards

>>3803545
/thread

I really can't take the faction seriously with the gun restriction. Either they can't commit to it or it goes full "hurr durr lethal teddy bear launcher" Fallout logic. At least give them crossbows.

>>3803693
Imagine if Rome had had mechanical devices to propel lethal projectiles at enemies. Theyd have conquered the world

Their outfits are too retarded for me to take seriously. It's not like the IRL Roman Empire had soldiers running around in torn up rags as uniforms. Do they not have anyone in their territory who knows how to sew?

>>3803693
>gun restriction
I don't get this meme.
The Legion has no gun restriction. They were even about to get themselves a massive order of energy weapons from the VanGraffs.
If anything the NCR has a "gun restriction", considering most troopers have little to no ammo to spare and can't even train due to lack of ammunition.

>>3803528 (OP)
Its the hard hand of civilization its a functioning nation of raiders that could be more mind I only see the appeal of conquering them from within or without. Other wise there just a bunch of beaten tribes locked in lock step by a terror state that can only last as long as its leader. My favorite moment with the legion was in the fronter witch has a more interesting legion was the persuasion check for the mayor of junkflea.
> Don't play the NCR in the frontier its worse then pulling teeth.

>>3803528 (OP)
>capital punishment for drug dealers and bandits, making drug addiction a thing of the past and garnering a net 0% crime rate
>eliminates taxation for Arizona citizens by implementing an economy where government labor is outsourced
>outlaws sex trafficking and makes sure women will always be able to find good husbands
>keeps the populace fit and healthy through revolutionary exercise programs
What isn't there to get?

I always side against the Legion because they're way more fun to fight than the NCR. Feels so good to get the drop on a Legionary assassin squad and wipe them out from long range before they can tell you're there

>>3803528 (OP)
The pans on his boddy look like he has tits and a fat stomach from the thumbnail.

>>3804001
just covering up that winter weight

>>3803528 (OP)
They don't have any appeal because the Mojave isn't bad/unlawful enough to justify their methods, House is straight up upgrade over them. This is one thing New Vegas got wrong -- if its wasteland was closer to Fallout 1/2 in terms of menaces and dangers, the Legion's way of doing things would be an acceptable option. In the Mojave wasteland you have what, a "city" where former tribals play at casino owners, cazadors in fairly remote areas, deathclaws holed up in a quarry and a group of super mutants controlling a mountain.

>>3805710
>outer vegas is crawling with Fiends
>powder gangers in NCRCF and vault 13
>Freeside is a shithole crawling with drug addicts and thieves
I do agree with you though. The biggest gang problems (fiends and powder gangers) can be solved on any playthrough regardless of faction choice and a House victory is the only option that allows for Freeside to be cleaned up.

>>3803528 (OP)
Me neither. Shit game for midwit faggots.

>>3803528 (OP)
Except the aesthetics, there's genuinely none if you're not a 13 year old boy. The legion has only ever managed to "recruit" significant numbers out of tribals they enslaved, almost no one willingly joins the legion, and by simply coming from civilization instead of tribals you immediately go to the top of the army.

They have no long-term plan, Caesar is just an egomaniac retard spouting fake philosophy, and the legion is destined to crumble and die once an actual civilization takes enough of an interest in their demise.

If you're evil, House for the freedom from consequences and having the boss take care of you, or Yes-Man to be completely in control, are immensely better options. And if you're not, then NCR is the obvious choice. Even in terms of larp, considering your character is a courier who knows civilization, it's almost impossible to create a larp to join the legion that makes sense.

>>3806043
>outer vegas is crawling with Fiends
>powder gangers in NCRCF and vault 13
>Freeside is a shithole crawling with drug addicts and thieves
And all of those are only an issue because of the legion. If the legion wasn't a constant threat, then the NCR wouldn't be stuck at their outposts and would have solved all those issues years before the game started, the legion isn't the problem to the solution, they're the cause.

>>3803528 (OP)
Cute boyfriends for everybody

>>3808527
It's punished by death if discovered in the legion though

>>3803528 (OP)
Their quests are doing terrorism with the boys. Thats the appeal, its fun to do evil shit. When you win you get your face put on the money. Badass. NCR is cringe, ohh please protect our president. Or god forbid you go independent and have to save his sorry ass while not even being allowed near him. Legion lets you blow him up. I really don't buy that Hegel shit, but I like wearing a dead dog on my head and dismembering junkies and profligates with ripper.

>>3808500
Maybe I just want to pillage and rape, retarded fag.

>>3803528 (OP)
Based mascvline gay sex

>>3808529
Not if you do it with a slave and top

what is the verdict?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6e8WrmOibpM&t=11s

>>3808505
But both outcomes are the same regardless of who wins, the NCR or Legion drive all the gangers and fiends out after the Hoover Dam battle.

>>3808505
>The Legion is somehow responsible for the NCR making the brilliant decision of sending convict rail workers with dynamite into an active war zone
You can argue that the Fiends are a Legion problem given that Caesar is paying them to attack NCR specifically, but I don’t know you managed to rationalize the incompetence of NCRCF management as somehow being the Legion’s fault while exempting the NCR itself of accountability in how their own penitentiary system is run. Also how is Feeside being a ghetto the Legion’s fault? Freeside is the way it is because House kicked everyone off the Strip who refused to ally with him; the NCR leaves it exactly the way it is on their ending and the Legion enslaves most of them. House is, funnily enough, the only option that results in Freeside being cleaned up as a community despite being the reason as to how it became so deprived.

>>3809237
Except in one outcome the civilians are vastly better off for it, and in the other they're all enslaved, raped, or subject to way more taxes than the NCR would with the added benefit that Legionaries can rape their families in front of their eyes for no reason if they wish.

>>3809295
I blame the Legion not as the cause in the first place, but as the reason those problems haven't been fixed yet. The reason the NCR needs the Courier so much is because all their orders are to stand still and wait because Oliver is afraid they'll get stomped by the Legion if they make any move.

All the stupid arguments of "look the NCR is so weak!" point out things that only exist because of the threat of the Legion, if there was no Legion, the NCR would have cleaned up the place years ago. The NCRCF matter would have been quelled in a week.

The NCR has some issues, and they're not always welcomed, but a strong military and government is absolutely necessary for human development, the only reason towns like Goodsprings aren't killed by raiders yet is a combination of luck and not having much worthwhile to attack. The NCR is the only way forward for mankind in this part of the US, and the mistakes they make can be remedied quite quickly, and despite bringing more taxes, they bring vastly more prosperity and long-term safety. Many in the NCR set up efforts to help the civilians, and the Followers do the same by following the NCR around and sometimes allying directly with them. Freeside wouldn't be a shithole (or much less) at the date of the game if the Legion never existed.

>Freeside is the way it is because House kicked everyone off the Strip who refused to ally with him
True, fuck House.

>>3803693
>>3803771
Yeah I don't know where people are getting this. Requiring your soldiers to be proficient in melee combat is not the same as restricting their access to firearms.

>>3809624
When going up against tribals, it's an advantage to have uniformly made throwing spears, machetes, & light padded armor for your untested recruits. Against the NCR in open combat, rather than clever ambushes, the Legion sends in their well-armed & experienced prime troops. Guns are clearly required & used by the legionaries in question who have proven their worth vs foes against whom guns aren't needed. Howitzers are Halal for the Hegelians, as are other weapons of war, just no chems, alcohol, or robits. The game does frame them as luddites & melee afficianados though, despite the more concrete lore.

>>3809295
>the incompetence of NCRCF management
The warden's terminal implies the breakout was only possible because the NCR pulled manpower from the prison to the dam. He knows they're understaffed and it's only a matter of time before disaster strikes.

>>3809304
>The NCR isn’t weak, they’re just weak when there’s opposition.
So what fucking good are they if they fall apart at any equal opposition? You’re getting mad at the legion for something the NCR should be prepared for. The legion may not be what the waste needs but the NCR sure as shit ain’t it either.

>>3809624
True, but it points to a much more insidious major flaw of the Legion: they don't have any industry. Since Caesar is an utter retard who turns everyone into slaves, everyone is working Pol Pot tier jobs under his leadership, so the Legion has 0 industry to make ammo or guns, which is why they're trained to fight with sticks and blades, and why they have to scavenge guns off of dead enemy soldiers if they ever want to use them.

What a pathetic fucking faction, muh Hegelian dialectic and Caesar can't even establish decent weapon manufacturing, his entire anti-technology stance is a massive cope to hide the fact his regime is too shit to create the slightest industry.

>>3810097
The Mojave is only the extreme frontier of the NCR where they cannot afford to send many troops, whereas the Legion is sending most of its forces on it because they don't have a real civilization, they're just nomadic raiders with strong discipline.

>>3810138
The NCR *can* send more troops they just actively don’t *want* to. There is a key difference there.
>>3809304
I’m sorry what is your exact issue with House?

>>3810097
They're only weak in the Mojave because it's on the frontier and most of their army is defending their massive empire at home. The legion isn't immune to this either, Lanius is skeptical of the Mojave campaign because his last campaign was a drawn out slog on the Legion's frontier and resulted in a messy victory. Similar to a Russia and the Winter War.

>>3810146
>There is a key difference there.
The difference is that they're an actual democracy, the corrupt individuals can't just do whatever they want and need to stay in the shadows, and sending too many to die in the Mojave when it was supposed to be easy would be very unpopular. And still, it shows that a fraction of the NCR can destroy the main force of the Legion.

>I’m sorry what is your exact issue with House?
I'll never understand House stans. The man is objectively a psychopath without the slightest shred of compassion for any human being, all his goals are self-centered and they only can produce good outcomes as an unintended outcome, not a main reason, and he's extremely petty and vengeful.

Rapid fire facts: He personally destroyed the lives of countless people living in the Strip when he woke up, and murdered and exiled anyone who wouldn't submit to his rule. He replaced all those individuals with raiders, some being literal cannibals, and used all his money to only build casinos to make more money and armaments to remain in power, the man is stupid rich, he used more than 800k caps in the last year alone to find the chip, but couldn't spare anything to stop people starving and dying of thirsts and diseases right outside the gate when he's responsible for their plight. He murders every single King in his ending if they dared to make peace with NCR which he considers a "betrayal". If Primm had an NCR sheriff, he imposes extremely heavy taxes on them as a vindictive punishment despite them not having one anymore. He genuinely calls you a whore if you kill him and tell him it was for NCR.

Mr House is nothing but the tyrannic leader of a corpocracy with only himself at the end, and only his stupid goals matter. His well composed facade is nothing more than that, he is in truth short-sighted, petty, vindictive, vengeful, and holds no regard for any human life. All his "plans" are bogus sci-fi shit for Star Wars nerds, not actual plans.

>>3810450
You sound like someone who would've protested the space program.

>>3810450
Mr House stans get dazzled by the screens and luxury, and stop thinking at that. While the true House is the rotting, putrid, hateful corpse hurling insults and curses in the back. The man is the worst kind of person you could want for a leader: an unchecked vengeful tyrant with an army of death robots at his command, who holds nothing dear but his own autistic dreams. Even before the bombs, he was this way.

No House stan has ever proposed the slightest plan on how a House led Mojave would work. The man bullshits you with muh space travel in 100 years, but won't spare a single thought to improving the life of anyone on Earth. At BEST, and I'm being incredibly generous, the House ending nets you to be a brain in a jar in 100 years who will remain forever in the Lucky 38 in space with nobody else than House and his sex slave securitrons. Even the independent ending is more sensible and good for the people than House.

>>3810452
A more correct example would be the stadium built by the Saudis on the back of slaves being worked to death. Nobody died of slave labor at NASA, though some like Thomas Baron were murdered for knowing and saying too much.