I don’t even mind the woke shit ,as a centrist fag
but can’t they at least do it well? Why is the black paladin talking like a black city girl in google ad? And the characters that do have some flavor still feel super generic and cliche. couldn’t they have done a second pass to make things feel more authentic?

And seriously, can’t these writers take the story seriously? All the characters feel like a bunch of people playing DnD, not like real people who’ve witnessed chaos, slaughter, and an actual deity of plague. Shouldn’t they be terrified or something?

Man, fuck this shit, I just hope AI can do a better job by 2030.
Also not every single person has to be verbose just for the sake of it

Is rouge trader any better?

>>3804025 (OP)
>I do not mind woke shit but my big specific complaint is about the black character
Sure.
Try Vermillion Trader instead

>>3804027
Yeah
She should've sounded a lot more authoritative and old timey

>>3804030
Yeah, some thous and 'los would elevate the writings fershizzle.

I dunno, I liked the companion writing in that game just fine. It's not stellar or anything, but it's neither overly verbose nor as "twitter playing D&D" as BG3 is. What is your gold standard for RPG writing, out of curiosity?

>Why is the black paladin talking like a black city girl in google ad?
She is Paizo's (the license holders to Pathfinder) OC, she's a street urchin who became a paladin by accident or something. I also found her fine, but if you didn't like her writing keep in mind that it was likely heavily curated by Paizo, it's not just the devs.

>>3804025 (OP)
Pathfinder doesn't do old timey. You'll take your modern slang and you'll be happy about it. Nor does it do anyone but select NPCs shitting themselves in fear or even showing much fear at all. Even in their fucking horror-themed adventures.

Who cares? RPGs with good writing don't exist.

What IS unforgivable with Owlcat is that they also suck at pacing, encounter design, environment design, quest design etc.

>>3804025 (OP)
According to musk we will get a good ai game in 400 days latest

Golarian isn't a medieval fantasy, it takes place in a post-apocalyptic future. You can come across the ruins and artifacts of the old far more advanced civilization. No one forgot how to speak.

>>3804039
>excited to play WotR at launch, going into it blind
>roll up a paladin of Iomedae, naturally
>it’s crusading time, gonna kill six gorillion demons
>encounter my first fellow paladin
>introduce myself as a crusader of Iomedae
>”YOU’RE MY KIND OF CRAZY!”
>immersion ruined

>>3804772
Mfw I learned she's the official paizo paladin

>>3804025 (OP)
>centrist
No such thing
>fag
That does exist
>why writing bad
They appease their crowd with proper propaganda, aka the current thing. Rainbows, fags, refugees, aso

>>3804025 (OP)
Rogue Trader characters are better, writing can’t really fuck around 40k years into a hellish future instead of generic medieval land.

>>3804817
Rogue Trader sucks and so does 40k
>everyone is evil, retarded or an evil retard
Wow, such good writing

>>3804025 (OP)
>Why's the writing so bad in this game

Because of Paizo's unironical trannies and radfems forcing woke shit, which then nobody really wants to write because it got forced on them. Thus writers shit out corporate forced content asap, so they can focus on stuff they actually want to write (like Ember for example). It's really obvious which characters were designed by Owlcat, and which were forced by Paizo's corpo-troons.

>>3804784
Your face when? But you didn't post a face.

>>3804965
For some reason I am unable to attach files. I just get an connection error message.

>>3804898
Really? Paizo denies meddling. Which ones do you think are installed by paizo? I don't think k ember is a good character at all on the contrary, really.

>>3804025 (OP)
I thought it was fine. Actually less degenerate and annoying than the idiot BG3 companions.

>>3805006
It's massive cope on that anon's part. Krymov has talked about how he wanted to put a trans dwarf into Kingmaker but it got cut. He described writing the gay romance in Wrath as a "healing vacation" after he was ordered to write the swarm path. Russian game devs are as lib/left as any other country's.

>>3805037
Ye, looks like that. Mentally ill or so.
Healing vacation? For gay romance. Lol.
For 10k you could buy a party time including ttrpg. Imagine the fun, kek.

>>3804381
Musk will be either dead from drug overdose or deported back to Africa before we get a playable AI game, let alone a good one.

>>3805239
Maybe, but I'm certain that his work on grok is advancing ai. He won't get deported, doj needs space x. If the us steals it, it will loose even more allies. Musk won't die soon, rich people tend to get old.

>>3804025 (OP)
I'm replaying the game to finally try and finish it (again), and most of the companions really are not that bad. Ember is amazing, Regill is exactly the way you'd expect him to be, Camelia is obviously evil but fun and the game gives you enough wiggle room to disregard that and play dumb, Ulric is good to have an old timer around, Wenduag is a subservient slug and needs to be pressed, Arue is your anime waifu with dark past, Daeran can be grating but nothing too bad and he makes up for it with his usefullness, Seelah is inoffensive and Owlcat had to include her due to her being a representative character, Woljif has an interesting concept and is a good thief example, Nenio is okay cause she doesn't talk that much and some jokes with her are actually okay. Now, Lann would be fine too if he didn't go into a minute and a half voiced self-deprecating or lambasting monologue at the worst possible moment when the game tries to be dramatic. He has some right ideas, but I get tired of his overly lengthy quips. And Sosiel is the example of a writer's pet character. Your main character can be overly affectionate with him from the get go and the lines are just too sacharine for my taste. It makes you not want to pick good lines talking to him as a good character. And also there is a Greybore.

So I think the vast majority of companions are good to fine, while I take offence with a couple of them.

>>3805037
>after he was ordered to write the swarm path
I think the single most cringe-inducing part of the dev interviews and whatever was every single writer involved in the swarm path going out of their way to exaggerate how bad it was, like they were mentally broken by writing some low-tier edgy shit
A random tabletop rulebook from the 90s and early 2000s probably has them beaten on the edge/grossout factor in a single sidebar, some of them having pages upon pages of hilariously over-the-top shit, and they're out there whinging about lazily writing the path that actively cuts out content that needs writing for

>>3804025 (OP)
>faggotfinder
lol

Owlcat's writing to me is like listening to a 13 year old kid excitedly prattle about his OCs and worlds he made up. It may be generic, overly verbose for no reason, a little cringe, but I can't hate it because I know there's heart behind it all.

>>3804025 (OP)
I picked it up again recently, trying to force myself to go beyond Act 1 for the third time.
This game has the worst companions in the genre, they are post-DA2 Bioware level.

>>3804381
will it be developed on Mars, big man?

>>3805414
a pretty good metaphor
I just smile nod my head a couple of times to not break their heart and afterward just move on and enjoy things that aren't amateurish fanfics by a 13 yo

>>3805414
Do 13yo nowadays add modern politics and gender "issues" to their politically correct OCs?

>>3805749
yeah, and you'll play it with your brain chip too

>>3804025 (OP)
I thought it was ok.
Was nice to see angels written straight and not with some faggy twist.
was bummed when the Herald of Iomedae died

WOTR does a great service in that you can always know who has terrible taste from the praise they lavish on it despite the terrible quality.

>>3805856
Anon... you know you can save him, right...?

>>3805874
no I did not.
But that would required a new playthru...

>>3805749
From New Delhi, actually. Superpower in 400 days, saar!

>>3805841
Probably, yes

>>3805852
AFAIK he made progress there, too. I just doubt we will overcome the problem of open skull anytime soon.

>>3805874
I didn't know
>>3805879
This... I'd rather beat km, but neither game is worth a replay. The fights are very samey, especially wotr.

>>3805976
I mean I think the bigger problem by far with Neuralink is that for some reason he insists the final product HAS to be two-way (as it's necessary to 'fix insomnia and dementia' and whatnot), which is a terrible idea on just about every level.

>>3804025 (OP)
Wrath is adapted from the tabletop campaign that has even worse writing than the Owlcat game. In tabletop, Anevia is extremely in your face about being a troon and Iomedae is even more arrogant, obnoxious and insufferable. Wrath’s story is terribly written because the source material is dogshit to begin with. You can vomit in an intricate container but vomit is still going to be vomit.

>>3806434
>Iomedae is even more arrogant, obnoxious and insufferable
Iirc she yanks the party into her realm and asks them a bunch of morality questions which if you answer not exactly as intended by the writer she blasts the whole party with the "WRONG" buzzer for 20d6 lethal sonic damage. That whole AP was a fucking mess and Owlcat did a pretty noteworthy job in making it much less ass.

>>3806440
>she yanks the party into her realm and asks them a bunch of morality questions which if you answer not exactly as intended by the writer she blasts the whole party with the "WRONG" buzzer for 20d6 lethal sonic damage
Um hello based department

>>3806440
I don’t understand how someone could approach these modern tabletop modules without instantly becoming a murderhobo due to pure rage at how terribly written everything is.

>>3806449
> [Evil] I don't like you. Die!
Owlcat had a genius moment making evil options awful to make you not kill everybody.

>>3806449
>modern tabletop
Well here's your issue right there chief

>>3806362
>terrible idea on just about every level.
Well, it's about control, isn't it? Musk isn't a man that brings power to the people.

>>3806486
have you tried not playing dnd?
i.e. dnd-styled heroic fantasy
there are plenty of fantasy ttrpgs of varying darkness and grittiness that have absolutely non of that fagginess
they aren't exactly mainstream but they aren't fringe by any regard

>>3806559
>Musk isn't a man
you could have stop there anon

>>3806571
>he's still our very best bet, albeit a very bad one.
Should've, really.

>>3805874
>>3806356
how do we save him anon?

>>3806665
Knowing owlkeks you need an item that's in the room before. When did quests stopped to be intertwined? Rather few quests that tie in into the main quest and each other than checklist quests. Am I the only one seeing it like that?

>>3806665
You need to earn his trust while you can, then find his heart in the prison before you face him. It's obvious enough from there. Any route can do it (though the trust part makes it difficult for most of them) but Angel in particular is the only one that can truly restore him to full glory afterwards.

>>3806672
I mean you're only half right, but also only half wrong (and it's not quite right in the room before)

>>3806677
Breddy gudd for a wild guess. It's really a shame we don't get a pf/3.5e game.
I'm all for it that someone makes a solid frame for the rule work and sells the editor. The way I see it, could even be dual rules or more, so that people make their own adventures. Nwn1 survived for more than 20 years, imagine it would have bg3 graphics.

>>3804898
This, Ember is actually great.
They did a lot toward making others playable as well because the Paizo versions of characters like Wenduag are as ugly and man hating dyke coded as possible.
Paizo is rabid leftoid LGBTQ D&D even more than WoTC leans in 2025 which is no small feat.
They banned depictions of slavery, it's got a lesbian triumvirate as goddesses, queens and female barbarian chiefs abound.

Owlcat are geniuses for making that political loaf of cunt yeast Spam in a can playable at all.
>>3806434
See, more proof.

>>3806682
I've read like 10 ttrpg modules. They are really bad. Like bad high schon fan fic bad. Not surprising, really. No one talented enough will waste his time writing these modules.

>>3806676
I was an Angel and was baffled when he felt betrayed (I think it was because he said I used the Sword when I wasn't actually Chosen of Iomedae or something; but forgave me because he saw I was a noble Neutral Good character but then died (if he's negging me for worshiping Christ over Iomedae than that's his problem)).
It was all confusing. I still think I did the right thing as evidence that I didn't save scum back his favor.

>>3806702
>didn't save scum
Always the right thing

Picked up this game during the summer sale. Most of the good characters are so insufferable that that the only way I'll make it through the game without an hero'ing is by going demon path.

Man I'm so glad I have "shit taste" enough to just enjoy the game without having to avoid or kill half the companions just for a shred of enjoyment
Why even bother if you're just gonna seethe

>>3804025 (OP)
It's because of the verbosity in each character's speech. It's written from a writer's perspective of "writing dialogue", not actual conversation.

https://youtu.be/mGwnEggL5mE?list=PLN39y5i_H0FncbNDYPUtIjJsMATbS4R5f&t=1525

>>3804025 (OP)
>All the characters feel like a bunch of people playing DnD
And that's a good thing

>>3804039
>nor as "twitter playing D&D" as BG3 is
are you kidding me?
BG3 says "fuck" once and this board eats them alive, meanwhile WOTR characters talk like characters from A Goofy Movie and they get a pass??

>>3805037
>>3805387
I think if I showed these guys Hogg they would disintegrate in real time lol

>>3804025 (OP)
I just started playing it and there's definitely a lot of millenial/reddit writing. The black chick speaks in marvel jokes and the leader of the crusaders is some orc lesbian orc chick. The only good characters so far are the spider girl and that half elf chick. I hope I can ditch the crusaders and join demons soon

>>3804025 (OP)
>Why is the black paladin talking like a black city girl in google ad
Because she's a street urchin that became a paladin to redeem herself and carry on the legacy of a paladin that she inadvertently killed through apathy. Even then, you act as though she speaks in ebonics rather than just casual language. The closest thing she does is refer to herself as "Sister Seelah" on a few occasions while trying to be friendly.

Her entire thing and personal story is centered around her being inexperienced, impetuous, and naive, with her subsequently learning that there are times where she needs to harden up and simply smite the evil, times where she should slow down and examine situations in full, and times where she should show empathy instead of defaulting to LARPing as a Saturday morning cartoon hero.

>>3808304
Good news, Irabeth is a fuck-up and when (You) become the leader of the crusade you will be able to verbally (or physically if you're Demon) bash her into developing PTSD and retiring. I'm not sure if you can kill her, but I think you can imprison her. You can also kill her tranny gf on at least two occasions.

>>3808417
>or physically if you're Demon
Thank god I chose CE

>>3805037
>>3805387
He was weak. He couldn't go all the way with the Swarm path. So I had to.

>>3809632
Your contributions will always be respected... but I just wish there was at least a mod that fixed the path itself. Playing it and knowing how the writers half-assed it and then dared complain about even that much is just too aggravating. But considering I can't be bothered to do it myself due to how much it'd require I'm not about to ask, let alone expect, anyone else to do it.

>>3809632
do you think they made the heretic path so lame and bad in rogue trader to spite you specifically
like you did send the writer your comms so i could see them shafting chaotic evil monster bros as revenge

How's that big romance mod? I hear they even add some extra end game slides.
Actually, what is the name of the damn thing?

>>3809841
Oh yeah, and has anybody tried the Automatic Bonus Progression mod?
Sounds like something that would make the game a lot more fun in general, not having to worry about those basic numbers and being able to focus on extra, cooler equipment effects.
It also means less buffing I think.

>>3809810
I just don't think they're capable of writing very evil paths.
The writer I sent my commissions to did not work on Rogue Trader.

>>3809810
>to spite you specifically
No. I don't think I'm that important. I just don't think they're capable of writing very evil paths.
Besides, the writer I sent my commissions to didn't work on Rogue Trader.

>real time with pause ?
what about REAL time with Bill Maher?

>>3809632
Is there still a gallery or something, somewhere, of all your investments in the cause?

>>3804025 (OP)
Because they hired incompetent translators, obviously. Imagine if Dragon's Dogma 1 was done by californian danger hairs instead of the based black woman of ye olde English.

>>3804025 (OP)
>Why is the black paladin talking like a black city girl in google ad? And the characters that do have some flavor still feel super generic and cliche. couldn’t they have done a second pass to make things feel more authentic?
>And seriously, can’t these writers take the story seriously? All the characters feel like a bunch of people playing DnD, not like real people who’ve witnessed chaos, slaughter, and an actual deity of plague.
That's what you get when you hire Chris Avellone as your cultural advisor to make sure your game sells well to western millennials.

>>3811341
>yo man, the wind in blowing me (shit's so cash)
>the wolf gang is rolling
>these niggas hate fire, yo!

>>3804025 (OP)
what's weird is that the voice acting was surprisingly tolerable in kingmaker, but devolved into full cringe mode in wrath, despite the writing being about the same quality. i have to assume their old publisher handled voice directing

>>3811384
>>the wolf gang is rolling

>>3811341
This would not be appropriate for the setting see >>3804768
Paizo gave the released game their stamp of approval. This is what it is, not what you think it should be.