I'll start
>Star Ocean 5
>horrible characters
>bad gameplay
>unfinished story
>unironically an incomplete game
>nearly killed the series until 6 and 2R

>>3809302 (OP)
Lunar:Dragon song
>no enemy targetting
>spend hp to run in Overworld
>equipment can break easily from enemy attack/skills
>spend hp to run in Overworld
>Choose whetehr you want xp or item as reward
>spend hp to run in Overworld
>Segments where MC is debuffed and you have to slog through
>spend hp to run in Overworld
>escape battles by blowing on the microphone
>spend hp to run in Overworld
>characters join lv1 with no gear
>spend hp to run in Overworld
>no mana recovery when heal spells can cost half your MP
>spend hp to run in Overworld

Notice how I did not even touch characters/plot/presentation yet

>>3809307
I'm going to finish Lunar 2 Remaster this week and I need to try Dragon Song since I never got to experience it back in the day.

Seriously - is there ANY good part? I've heard it shit on so much and need to know what I'm in for.

>>3809404
The ost is not bad.
Character design is ok.
But no VA, FMVs or the extra effort in presentation previous Lunar games had

>>3809302 (OP)
SO5 felt unfinished to you? How so?

>>3809302 (OP)
FF15

>>3809302 (OP)
KH3
Disgaea 3
SMT V

>>3809585
replace Disgaea 3 with 6
3 is bad but not franchise ruining like 6

trails through daybreak 2
i thought CS4 was a low point and the series couldn't get worse but boy was i wrong
spoilers ahead, if you haven't played the game yet and still care about this dogshit series
>stupid time travel gimmick that cheapens every possible bad plot moment because it never sticks
>due to time travel gimmick, game is filled with cheap shock "dark" moments that just end up getting erased anyway
>somehow, despite this being their home country, the inclusion of swin and nadia feels forced as fuck
>retarded behaviour from swin in the final chapter
>final story boss is secretly a dead character who was brought back by contrived means
>did you know that 'C' is between 'B' and 'D'
>12th game in a series with no apparent ending in horizon, and STILL the overarching story goes nowhere
there's more but i really just don't want to think about this game anymore

"franchise" entering the gamer lexicon is a sad thing, it's up there with "canon" for cuddle words of autistic consumercucks.

>>3809604
pedants and pretentious pseuds in nerd communities are more annoying

>>3809302 (OP)
Final Fantasy XIII
Musashi Samurai Legend
Tales of Symphonia 2

>>3809616
nah, pedantry is a holy nerd pastime and the use of pseud is always a sign of insecurity. adopting businessman lingo was really gay.

>>3809302 (OP)
4 is worse since it’s the only entry that dropped the staple multiple/paired endings, plus Lymle Nappy Time Kayyy~?

Anyways…
>Final Fantasy
Take your pick from between 2, XIII, XV, and XVI
>Tales
Tempest is the obvious answer, since it was so bad they had to demote it from Mothership to Escort title, but if we’re not counting Tempest then obviously Zestiria
>Suikoden
4
>Grandia
3
>Fire Emblem
The original Gaiden, New Mystery, or Engage.
>Xeno
Xenosaga 2
>Dragon Quest
2, 6, or 9
>Ys
5
>Atelier
Probably Firis
>Ar Tonelico
3
>Arc The Lad
The last one 5, killed the franchise too
>Breath of Fire
Dragon Quarter, duh!
>Persona
1
>Golden Sun
That DS abomination
>Rune Factory (if it counts)
Tides/Oceans

>>3809682
Would your autistic retarded ass feel more at peace if they just said 'series'?

>>3809784
it's better, for sure, dumbass faggot. when you internalize businessman lingo like franchise and brand and IP, you create a consumer mindset within yourself, where you feel some attachment to a label and not the specific things being made by people that you like. you see this a lot when an IP changes hands and retarded nerds act all shocked that it isn't the same thing anymore, as if a brand meant anything when it comes to media.

>>3809603
it's amazing how people never actually talk about the game, just the plot summary

>>3809604
>Franchises entering the biggest coomsoomers out of media not counting movies is sad

>>3809603
>Implying Trails was ever good
Haha…

>>3809682
pedantry is just "who is the biggest autist competion" a.k.a. performative bullshit. and nah not really insecure, just categorizing people who likes to do that shit for no reason.

>>3809682
also it's always been a business, no such thing as "businessman lingo" when it is what it is

Final Fantasy 15
>no difficulty
>one button combat
>mandatory multimedia consumption to get the full story
>TRUE ENDING NOVEL

Persona 3
>can't control your allies

Tales of Zestiria
>RNG for the skill system
>you don't gain HP on leveling up
>Rose being a mary sue due to being Baba's pet

Breath of Fire Dragon Quarter
>only game in the series with a game over counter
>only game in the series with mandatory NG+ to beat the game
>only game in the series that punishes the player for using dragon mode

>>3809983
I know this pic is old as fuck and that Eziofags are still pissy about Assassin's creed 3, but man, even they would change that.
Oh and is not P1 the worst one, pretending gacha doesn't exist, that would still be P2:EP.

>>3810048
>I know this pic is old as fuck and that Eziofags are still pissy about Assassin's creed 3

its a bad game, even if someone else was the lead

>>3810062
Whatever you say Eziofag.

>>3809983
Is DS Lufia really worse than the GBC or GBA ones?

>>3810077
you are as bad as the people who look at MGS2 critics and go "you only hate MGS2 because you aren't playing as Snake" and ignoring all legitimate complaints

>>3809856
>>3809859
sorry, brah, you can't even read

>>3810105
>nuh-uh
Pseud

>>3810215
you're insecure and posturing when you should reread the post you responded to and see how you didn't really follow it and replied to it poorly. usage of pseud is a sign of insecurity.

>>3810217
Nobody is insecure to a pseud, you are projecting your own
>posturing
You are the one posturing.

>>3810223
insecure people greatly care what other people think about them, so they tend to attack along those lines like calling someone a pseud or poseur. being wrong isn't bad, just use it to improve yourself. in your case, you just can't read or write in english very well, so it's hard to have a nuanced discussion with you, like, you won't be able to follow this post either.

>>3810235
It is funny you think I want to have a thoughtful discussion with a arrogant pseud like you

>>3810250
want doesn't matter, you can't, you're having an emotional reaction to my intelligence and your drive to rank everyone in your life makes you interpret me as superior and then to soothe that cognitive dissonance, you have to call me words like "arrogant" and "pseud". the funny thing is, you could just stop replying if you really thought i was full of shit, but insecurity is a restless state.

>>3810264
>you could just stop replying if you really thought i was full of shit, but insecurity is a restless state.
I mean you said it for yourself as well. And yet here we are.

>>3810272
I'm having a thoughtful discussion with you. helping you. this is enjoyable to me.

>>3810079
No, but it's worse than the game it's a remake of.

>>3810276
Good for you I guess
I just don't see being so boastful about one's superior intelligence is a form of help

>>3809302 (OP)
Fallout 2. Same poor gameplay as 1 but also shitty millennial content and poor RP.

>>3810280
that's not what i'm doing. i'm saying things i think and you're interpreting that as boasting.

>>3809302 (OP)

>>3810281
and that fucking Temple

>>3810282
>you're having an emotional reaction to my intelligence and your drive to rank everyone in your life makes you interpret me as superior and then to soothe that cognitive dissonance
Nobody was talking about intelligence in the first place and yet you resorted to talking about it.
Also stop talking like a wannabe therapist.

>>3810281
>millennial content
90s games were made by boomers and Gen X. Millennials were children.
>t. millennial
>>3810284
>and that fucking Temple
Bro it takes like 2 minutes. You can just run through it if you can’t be assed.

>>3809585
>he forgot about 365/2

>>3809782
>Fire Emblem
New Mystery and Engage get shit for the avatars and aesthetics, but they're top 5 gameplay-wise. RD, 3H, and Revelation are better substitutes, which are also ugly, but furthermore, stupid and exceptionally badly designed.
>Persona
1 is the best. Worst is 3 or 4 depending on what aspects you prioritize.

>>3810292
>1 is the best
nta but opinion disregarded

>>3810294
Of course it is, the appeal is fundamentally different from the modern JRPG movie-games and life-sims the entire Persona fanbase was courted by, even if the story still manages to be more substantial regardless of emphasis and presentation.

>>3810292
358/2 days is kino because personally I enjoyed the setting and the somber tone of it. Gameplay isn't that bad. The customization, a cool multiplayer mode, and mission-based KH is cool beans.

3 is still the worst, with nothing really interesting coming out of it. Also the years of expectation =/= end product

>>3810288
>Nobody was talking about intelligence
>>3810215

do you actually not know what the words you type mean? bro, someone says something in a way that make you feel that they are boasting about their intelligence and then you call them a pseud. why do people use pseud or poseur and why do you feel i'm arrogant? those are interpretations of intent coloring your perceptions, separating you from sincere communication.

Final Fantasy 10
>dull, melodramatic soap opera tier story with the worst voice acting ever put into a AAA game
>lifeless hallway world interrupted only with very tedious puzzles
>boring combat with a summon that takes away all the strategy for every superboss
>200 hour pointless grind to finish the sphere grid
>the worst side quests ever designed for a JRPG. Seriously someone looked at the lightning bolt and chocobo racing quests and said "yes this is fun, put it in the fame"

This game somehow gets remembered fondly because of unbelievable levels of rose-tinted nostalgia. Everyone just remembers the jump to PS2 fondly and this gets lumped in, but the game is a piece of shit and fuck anyone who likes it.

>>3810298
I didn't expect anything from 3 after the sheer retardation of BBS and 3D, but on the contrary, 3 did consummate its shitty prequels as well as possible. You could only say there's nothing there if you're oblivious of those other, also worse games, but even then 3 had a few worlds at least on par with KH2's while Remind alone justifies the robust combat system.

>>3810303
Reasonable choice, but only if you consider post-X FF a completely different series.

>>3810299
You can't expect sincere communication if one of the parties have a superiority complex in the first place.

Also I'm not saying you're pseud because you're intelligent but it's because you sound like you want to be recognized for your "intelligence" which is what pseuds are, they are boastful of their supposed "intelligence" or "knowledge" and disregarding anyone else opinion

This sounds like I'm the one helping you to realize that you sound like a pseud.

>>3809983
>Dragon Age: Inquisition
Feels like that definitely needs to be replaced with Veilguard now
Although it might be better to say, the entire game series considered, that Dragon Age: Origins was the odd gem in an otherwise shitty franchise.

>>3810312
>Also I'm not saying you're pseud because you're intelligent but it's because you sound like you want to be recognized for your "intelligence"
yes, this is "talking about intelligence". you brought it up.
>you sound like a pseud
that's what's funny about you calling others arrogant, because you arrogantly assume you know the "real" reason people say things: to impress. like, why would you even think that and not that the person just has a different opinion, especially when you aren't even following said opinion very well, unless you yourself are prone to trying to impress people? i never use pseud or poseur, it's way too assumptive and convenient, retard is better because it focuses on what they are saying rather than why. so, remember, your interpretation of someone's intent comes from within you, retard.

>>3810314
true, Veilguard did not exist when I last updated it

>>3810314
Inquisition is worse to be honest, they have all the same problems (party members or boring at best, insufferable at worst, side content is mostly busywork right out of an mmo, messing with established lore etc.) but Veilguards combat is somewhat less shit

>>3810311
12 and 13 are the best mainline games in the series though.

>>3810620
nice one.
12 is average at best and 13 is a mess. Not as bad as 15 but still bad

>>3810082
>Legitimate complaints
Yeah the whoopin 0 amount you posted sure convinced me of that.

>>3810620
Based

>>3810620
Actually it's XI. Post-X also includes X-2, XIII-3, XIV, XV, and XVI though.

>>3810869
you skipped xiii-2 for some reason

>>3811234
13-2 was the best in the trilogy.

>>3809407
>But no VA, FMVs or the extra effort in presentation previous Lunar games had
Not just a case of "had", the use of VA and FMVs to tell the story was a major selling point of the Lunar games in the first place.