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Anonymous No.3815255 >>3817888 >>3818314 >>3818328 >>3819318 >>3821798 >>3821872 >>3826817 >>3827183 >>3828200 >>3829401 >>3831595
Mass Effect
"Think of what we could learn."
Anonymous No.3815292 >>3815379 >>3815614 >>3815654 >>3817886 >>3817888 >>3817925 >>3818432 >>3821908
Not particularly related, but... the whole thing with facial scarring getting worse due to Renegade points sure was some silly shit.
Anonymous No.3815379 >>3815475
>>3815292
it's just cargo cult shit from kotor and fable.
Anonymous No.3815475 >>3815624
>>3815379
Nope it is because SCIENCE. The exact same phenomena happens to evil clones irl which you would know if you paid better attention in biology class
Anonymous No.3815614
>>3815292
Silly, but a good thing to make the players choices and playstyle impact their character visually.
Anonymous No.3815624 >>3817889
>>3815475
I'm an evil clone myself, dumbass, and I don't believe in science, so it can't affect me.
Anonymous No.3815654
>>3815292
You can buy a medbay upgrade that removes any scarring even if you are renegade.
Anonymous No.3817886
>>3815292
it's nice they gave you the option to remove them at least
Anonymous No.3817888 >>3818226
>>3815255 (OP)
God I love him so much

>>3815292
>thing in ME2 was retarded
Yeah say it isn't so
Anonymous No.3817889
>>3815624
>I'm an evil clone myself
show us your beard then
Anonymous No.3817925 >>3835445
>>3815292
Almost everything that happens in me2 can be said to be retarded..
Anonymous No.3817937 >>3818178 >>3818723 >>3830794 >>3840335
What the fuck happened to Your Choices Matter?
With the AI and the mod tool development I think we should've gotten at least 2-3 choice expanding mods, no?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EiaWYgrNFcw&ab_channel=Linkenski
Anonymous No.3818178
>>3817937
Their modding tools aren't out there, and the ones modders use is reverse engineered
Its highly likely that if modders were to change the ending, it wouldn't hold up either.
Anonymous No.3818226
>>3817888
it really was a nice touch that they built liara up through the games to be so invested in the protheans and it all just unravels instantly. the dialogues between her and javik are really good, fuck all the dialogue between companions in 3 is top-tier.
Anonymous No.3818314
>>3815255 (OP)
That means Liara (and other researchers, probably) is better at Prothean tech than Javik, who is just a meathead.
Anonymous No.3818328 >>3818330
>>3815255 (OP)

I love how you get the impression that the Prothean were these old and wise race, which is Liara projecting her own self onto them, when in reality they were conquest-driven and imperialistic culture that enslaved other races.
Anonymous No.3818330 >>3818348 >>3818429 >>3839289
>>3818328

It should be noted that Javik also has a conspicuous penchant for outright making up "facts" about the Protheans as a joke, meaning pretty much everything he says should be taken with a grain of salt.
Anonymous No.3818348
>>3818330
Doubt that's the case
The only time I remember him doing it was when he was trolling James on the Normandy (dont remember if similar stuff is in the citadel dlc)
His personality is that of a true straight-shooter renegade which appreciates slavery and subjugation of other races in his spare time
Anonymous No.3818429
>>3818330
>Javik also has a conspicuous penchant for outright making up "facts" about the Protheans as a joke
......huh? what?
Anonymous No.3818432 >>3818456 >>3818720
>>3815292
What bothers me is that renegade Shepard is the only one in the galaxy with them. Some NPCs should have had them as well.
Anonymous No.3818456
>>3818432
It was either because he got revived back from death and recovered before his injuries had healed
Or because they REALLY wanted to do a throwback to the light/dark side of the force thingy in their shooter fps game
Anonymous No.3818460
The scars look cool. You should be allowed to have them no matter if you are paragon or renegade. It is a purely cosmetic thing. No character reacts to them and serve more like a cybernetic fashion statement.
Anonymous No.3818720 >>3818816
>>3818432
>Some NPCs should have had them as well
did you completely miss the part where shep was rebuilt from death and didn't have time to heal properly?

did any of you actually play this game lol wtf, why would you think normal NPCs in the world would have this.
Anonymous No.3818723
>>3817937
Big Dick
Anonymous No.3818816 >>3818838
>>3818720
All they did was suck the retarded man's cock like Miranda did
All that cock makes a man forget about small things like story, plot, details, etc.
Anyone who posts in me threads is usually a troll, I'm at a point where I feel filtering it out will only make the feed better, you should too
Anonymous No.3818838 >>3819003
>>3818816
relax anon, christ.
Anonymous No.3819003
>>3818838
Agreed
But its justified since biowhore devs dont have exclusivity on being petty and spiteful
I really should let it go, and wait for them to get laid off or the company to be put in its grave.. Thats when I'll let out a chuckle that day, and I'm willing to wait
Anonymous No.3819318 >>3819333 >>3819408 >>3824938 >>3826643 >>3833107 >>3834453 >>3836477
>>3815255 (OP)
>be objectively right about everything and have a long term plan of action while everybody else is a fucking moron
>bioware realizes they have no way of proving him wrong and just turn him into a cartoon villain in me3
Anonymous No.3819333 >>3819473
>>3819318
He wasn't correct at all, I'm confused. Humanity couldn't control the reapers with what he was suggesting and doing.

I am once again asking if anyone here has actually played these games lol.
Anonymous No.3819345 >>3819396 >>3819409 >>3820763 >>3840060 >>3840078
I'm still mad about ME2 and ME3. How would (You) rewrite the reapers so the plot makes sense?
Anonymous No.3819396
>>3819345

The existence of the Catalyst and the Crucible are based on a contrivance. Neither of them raise naturally from the events of the story. They have no narrative legitimacy.

Also, 5 minutes before the credits is rarely the time to introduce drastic new developments to the story.
Anonymous No.3819408 >>3819473 >>3821850
>>3819318
But anon, he was already a joke of a character with shit writing and empty platitudes in ME2? People liked his music, his aesthetics and his VA, not the actual character. TIM is written like absolute dogshit in ME2.
Anonymous No.3819409 >>3819427
>>3819345
I'd make ME2 not a giant sidequest waste of time, first of all. Basically instead of forcing ME3 to be both the discovery, development and execution of a plan to stop the Reapers, I'd make the first point and a half take place in ME2. Have Shepard start building alliances with the major powers of the galaxy in ME2. Also, just, don't randomly have big deal characters like the Council still not believe the Reapers are real after ME1? What the hell was that about, what purpose did it serve, they already accepted their existence at the end of the first game. Have him discover the Crucible in the Collectors Lair so their existence doesn't feel wasted and there's an overarching point to the Suicide Mission. Make it so they encrypted the blueprints into the ship back when they were still Protheans and only Shepard gets to find them both because his team is the only one that made it through Omega 4 but also because he has the Cipher, because otherwise that super important piece of lore that makes Shepard a unique individual is utterly forgotten about in 2 and only brought up in 3 for Eden Prime and Thessia. And for the love of God don't force Shepard to work outside the Alliance for no reason. Cerberus and TIM were a mistake.
Anonymous No.3819427 >>3819438 >>3819450
>>3819409

I mostly agree, but I think Cerberus and Tim were a good route to shake things up or it feels too much like Shepard is the Council's errand boy. As for the Council being in denial, they are politicians and politics is all about apparences and deception, which goes against Shepard's straightforward military character.
Anonymous No.3819438
>>3819427
>As for the Council being in denial, they are politicians and politics is all about apparences and deception, which goes against Shepard's straightforward military character.
Did you play the game?
The council weren't lying, they did absolutely nothing to prepare for the reapers during ME2.
Anonymous No.3819450 >>3819463
>>3819427
Maybe have them as an antagonistic force like in 1/3 but being forced to work for them is utterly idiotic, moreso if you play an Akuze Shepard
>it feels too much like Shepard is the Council's errand boy
He was a Spectre. It's like saying 007 is the MI6's errand boy. After Sovereign's attack, he should've been in charge of his crew and mission to stop the Cthulhu robots, not going around working for the people that killed his own squad, recruiting The Expendables
Anonymous No.3819463 >>3819486 >>3829146
>>3819450

I think the Council not trusting Shepard after being resurrected by Cerberus makes a lot of sense. The Council has no idea if Shepard has a control chip or something. On the other hand, it would make more sense if Cerberus was Alliance intelligence network rather than just a terrorist group, even if they are former Alliance Black ops gone rogue (or so we are told).
Anonymous No.3819473 >>3821267 >>3824880
>>3819333
him talking about controlling the reapers was only a third game narrative thing, bioware writers didnt want to make le heckin evil white man correct so they had to push the whole organic vs synthetic angle. The illusive man in the second game was all in all fully on how to stop the reaper threat.
>inb4 read muh comics
all material like that is written by other writers just adding onto the shit the main writers wrote.
ME3 just took a shit in the writing.
ME3 should have been shepard using his alliance,council and cerberus connections to help him gather the other races for a war against the reapers, and you could easily add in some terrorist cells of these species to add in more variety of enemies, so you have indoctrinated leader creating terrorist cells in different homeworlds of these species and shepard having to travel to all these places to root them out and keep his supporting faction in charge so he can get aid for the reaper battle.
And the ending should have been him sacrificing himself to end the reapers. That would have ended this series in the best way.
>>3819408
how is he written like absolute dogshit in me2?
Anonymous No.3819486
>>3819463
>I think the Council not trusting Shepard after being resurrected by Cerberus makes a lot of sense
But that's the thing, I'm arguing killing Shepard and blowing up the Normandy was retarded and marked the beginning of the end. That'd be rewritten faster than anything else.

>3819473 (You)
Anonymous No.3820763
>>3819345
I'm listening to the wheel of time books rn, which are known as giant bloated stories with irrelevant crap thrown in and you know what the conflict is going to be from books 1 and 2 (out of 14) and a lot of it is the main character running around trying to resolve conflicts between factions, toppling corrupt governments and preparing the world for the final battle. i'd like that.
me2's main story was retarded but it did a great job making the me world feel more alive and lived in. me3 had some solid stuff about actually running around and revolving conflicts and getting the galaxy ready.
stretch out the good elements of me3 into the second game as well, and have the fourth game be the epic finale, which starts with the reapers arriving on the edge of known space. have the collectors be a minor antagonist that's supposed to do recon and gorilla warfare in preparation for the reapers. no crucible shit. stolen collector tech and sovereign's remains (wasn't that where the thanix canon comes from) studied for a long time while the reapers are slowly coming to the galaxy is what allows the galaxy's races to stand against the reapers. one thing me1 did wrong was make the reapers too powerful. well, it wouldn't have been wrong if it wasn't the start of a trilogy. final battle may be the reapers discovering the location of the citadel which the council races have moved and the reapers could use it to get an advantage over the council races like shutting down the mass relays or even blowing them up. victory is maybe detonating the local mass relay on top of the reapers fleet who is there to attack the citadel and constitutes the bulk of the reapers forces
if you have enough readiness score, ending is optimistic that you'd be able to clear the galaxy of remaining reapers with the forces you have leftover. if you have to give the reapers some motivation, use the dark matter and extinguishing stars shit.
Anonymous No.3821267
>>3819473
>ME3 should have been shepard using his alliance,council and cerberus connections
What connections? ME2 destroys the first two and, when Shepard cockily disconnects TIM post-Suicide Mission, the last one as well.
>how is he written like absolute dogshit in me2
How is he not? He's a Mary Sue where the writers try to dazzle you by showing how cool and stylish he is and not by making him smart, interesting, or being connected to the world we knew in ME1. Then the player's forced to always do what TIM orders, literally locking the Normandy's controls until you do so. TIM holds the intel, TIM picks the team, TIM chooses the missions, TIM decides when youโ€™ll carry them out. When TIM tries to be your friend, you canโ€™t rebuff him by calling out Cerberus on their previous war crimes, a Sole Survivor's backstory or the events of ME1. Instead you can have Shepard come across like a petulant kid and say "You have to earn the right to talk to me like that". Instead of making TIM smart ME2 turned Shepard into a retard. Same thing happens in Horizon with the Virmire Survivor btw.
So, when are him and his faction written well? When Cerberus sprays their secret bases, shuttles, armors and fucking regular clothes with their terrorist logo? When TIM thinks it's a great idea to send his nยบ1 asset into a Collector trap and not tell him because somehow that would've made him enter this hostile ship armed and wary instead of the way he did it, which was... armed and wary ("hur durr I'm concerned that if Shepard knows heโ€™s walking into a trap heโ€™ll somehow telegraph that he knows, and then the Collectors will know that he knows, which will make Shepardโ€™s raidโ€ฆ less useful somehow? Thank fuck the Collectors knew that I would be listening in on the turian's broadcast and intercept their codes and that I'd specifically dispatch Shepard as soon as I heard the fake report for their ship to be still by the time Shepard got there")?
Anonymous No.3821798
>>3815255 (OP)
>"Could you explain the meaning of these depicted rituals? They've been fervently debated among fringe scholarly circles for centuries."
>"This is an advertisement for a massage parlor, this is a member of a lesser race being escorted out of segregated establishment after a customary beating, and this appears to be illegal, badly-proportioned fetish art of a primitiveโ€”Quarian, I believe. The creator was likely placed in a re-education facility."
Anonymous No.3821850
>>3819408
the thing with not putting some mind control chip or whatever in shepard in ME2 shows they aggressively threw all ambiguity out the window in ME3
fucking up martin sheen barely makes the top 10 in ME3 garbage though
Anonymous No.3821872 >>3821873
>>3815255 (OP)
I only have empathy to those who played Mass effect 2 with an Adept on insane. You're just a nigga with a fireball that does shit damage.
Anonymous No.3821873 >>3821876
>>3821872
only if they didn't use the DLC that gives them an overpowered SMG
Anonymous No.3821876
>>3821873
Why was mass effect 2 so shit? For example if you use Zaeed's ability you throw his grenade that can miss but if Zaeed's uses his own ability then the grenade teleports to the enemy and always hits them. It's the same with everyone and I will never understand why they did that. Adept had so many good powers and they split them into the other companions.

I also wonder if that dude is still mad at the ending.
Anonymous No.3821908
>>3815292
Yesh, but it still looked cool.
Anonymous No.3824575 >>3824667 >>3824699
is insanity worth doing?
what's the easiest class for all three games?
Anonymous No.3824667 >>3824703
>>3824575
>what's the easiest class for all three games?
Soldier. No need to bother with buggy cover and sniper oneshots in ME1, Mattock + Adrenaline Synergy in 2 and constant Marksman + Adrenaline rotation in 3.
Anonymous No.3824699 >>3824703
>>3824575
Infiltrator is best in ME2 and 3 because it lets you turn invisible and completely skip many combat encounters.
Anonymous No.3824703 >>3824867
>>3824667
>>3824699
got it
time for war hero spacer soldier/sniper boy shepard
is new game plus worth it for 1-3?
Anonymous No.3824867 >>3835412
>>3824703
>is new game plus worth it for 1-3?
No.Wasting enormous amount of time for a few extra achievements is not worth it.
Anonymous No.3824880
>>3819473
didn't 2 and 3 have the same lead writer?
Anonymous No.3824938 >>3824945 >>3831689
>>3819318
>be objectively right about everything
Oh, right

>- We need an enormous fuckoff fleet so big that building and maintaining it would bankrupt the entire Alliance.
>- And what is the purpose of this fleet?
>- To orbit Charon relay and do nothing, of course.

>protect human interests by trying and failing to steal antimatter from a warship
>protect human interests by killing thousands of humans with cancer by exploding ship drives over colonies
>protect human interests by feeding humans to ranchi
>protect human interests by feeding humans to creepers
>protect human interests by turning humans into husks
>protect human interests by selling alien drugs in human communities
>protect human interests by assassinating human elected officials
>protect human interests by assassinating the Pope
>(all completely dead end endeavors btw)

And of course, the best:
>consider Kai Leng a highly valuable operative superior to Shep
Anonymous No.3824945
>>3824938
Also forgot
>protect human interests by allying with the largest alien crime syndicate in the galaxy and helping them corrupt and infiltrate human systems
Anonymous No.3826643
>>3819318
Ah yes, I know this as the "Radovik redoubt" from the witcher games. They made him "insane" in the 3rd one despite being absolutely right throughout the series otherwise.
Anonymous No.3826668 >>3826882 >>3828708
Javik would have been really cool if not for the voice. The performance was solid, but Nigerian Prince dialect is incredibly distracting.
Anonymous No.3826817 >>3826869 >>3826883 >>3826982
>>3815255 (OP)
Is andromeda worth 5 bucks?
Anonymous No.3826869 >>3826896 >>3826898
>>3826817
No. Watch this and have a kek for free and forget about it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPOlAPsazHs
Anonymous No.3826882
>>3826668
AIRLOCK
Anonymous No.3826883 >>3826896
>>3826817
Only if your face is tired.
Anonymous No.3826896
>>3826869
Games aren't even worth 5 bucks, despite spending up to half a decade in development.
>>3826883
>Only if your face is tired.
Nope
Anonymous No.3826898 >>3826960
>>3826869
What's with the faces? Did they intend to let shepard look better in contrast to them?
Anonymous No.3826960 >>3826963
>>3826898
They used a rudimentary AI program to automate face animations.
Anonymous No.3826963
>>3826960
Was certainly worth it
Anonymous No.3826982 >>3827050
>>3826817
>pros
better gunplay than 3
better driving controls than the mako and the hammerhead
cora asariboo harper
vetra nyx
>cons
everything else
shittier squadmates
turbonigger who is far worse than jacob
shittier plot
sidequests don't work
you're forced to parkour a few times each planet
the nomad is unarmed
it's only mass effect because it's in the title and it uses mass effect aliens
generic bad guy enemies

for all their effort put into andromeda they should have retconned 3's ending and fixed it for a proper bittersweet, ultra bad end and happy ending
Anonymous No.3826984
also the krogan are far worse dindus compared to 3 which is fucking stupid
these tuchankaniggers literally deserve the genophage here
Anonymous No.3827050
>>3826982
>everything else
Pretty big contra
Anonymous No.3827183
>>3815255 (OP)
Just because this one was a retard, doesn't someone smarter couldn't have potentially be in his place. Best case scenario is what Liara wants, worst case scenario is what you get, though even worst case does provide some insight into the Protheans, so overall its a win in my book. He very well could have died after for some unknown reason, and then whatever potential history he may have none, however small, would be lost forever.
Anonymous No.3828200 >>3835452
>>3815255 (OP)
IN MY CYCLE
Anonymous No.3828708
>>3826668
They should just mod the game to make Javik say niggers instead of Primitives and it would work like magic suddenly
Anonymous No.3829146 >>3829203
>>3819463
Also in the third one, they got jumped multiple times by Cerberus on everywhere except Palaven. Letting Shepard back in too openly meant Cerberus touching shit they won't want touched.
Anonymous No.3829203 >>3829454
>>3829146
>they got jumped multiple times by Cerberus on everywhere
That's just horrible writing, no way terror cells have the intelligence network of the Shadow Broker and the logistics to pull it off.

They turned Cerberus from a fringe terrorist cell to Cobra in one game.
Anonymous No.3829401
>>3815255 (OP)
just another let down in a long list.
Anonymous No.3829454 >>3829480
>>3829203
During my first playthrough, I was certain the soldiers on Mars were mind-controlled husks beneath their armor even before the point when Shepard unmasks one early one. There was obviously no other explanation how TIM could've raised such an undyingly loyal massive army especially after all the loses his faction suffered in the previous game. Had to baka when Shepard seemed a bit surprised the enemy combatants were no longer human, it was such a Captain Obvious situation, like if Shepard was somewhat surprised to learn how statically commonplace it is for Asari to pay the death toll upon breeding with their Vorcha bondmates or something

Overall one of the big problems with ME3 is the game feels even less believable if you destroyed the Collector homeworld given TIM's sudden boost in powerlevel
Anonymous No.3829480 >>3831547
>>3829454
Even then it makes no sense in a logistical sense. The writing with Cerberus in this series is terrible.
Anonymous No.3830794 >>3835451
>>3817937
He got killed off by the gays, because he promised more romance dialog and scenes with best heterosexual waifu.
Anonymous No.3831547 >>3831548 >>3831597
>>3829480
>TIM
>Being bretty good with logistical shit
>THIS MAKES NO SENSE BRO
It makes sense fitting in with the meta the universe is aiming for. Information Brokers are the masterclass of the Galaxy. Mass Effect is like DBZ but instead of outrageously overpowered Martial Artists it has outrageously overpowered Information Brokers like the STG, Barla Von, Donavon Hock, Keiji Okuda, Kasumi Goto, Liara T'soni, TIM and the Shadow Nigger (who is literally twice as Mary Sue as TIM btw, if not 10 times more!)
Anonymous No.3831548 >>3831584
>>3831547
I don't think you appreciate the logistical scale we are talking about here, or much of anything really.
Anonymous No.3831584 >>3831597
>>3831548
I don't think you appreciate TIM's criminally insane powerlevel, or RPGs
Anonymous No.3831595 >>3831636
>>3815255 (OP)
the writing took a Nosedive after the first Mass Effect.
Its like a completely different crew of writers took over.

As soon as EA dropped that first Trailer where Shepherd gets killed for no other Reason then to drum up some hype for the game I knew it was over.
Anonymous No.3831597 >>3831672 >>3831774
>>3831547
>>3831584
>b-b-but muh themes bro, my meta!

The weird copes midwits will come up to justify bad writing will never cease to amaze me.
Anonymous No.3831636 >>3831729
>>3831595
>Its like a completely different crew of writers took over.
Wow it's like that's actually what happened and anyone with more than one brain cell figured that shit out 13 years ago, huh.
Anonymous No.3831672 >>3831728 >>3831854
>>3831597
Really, what is it that drives criminally insecure to defend TIM?
Anonymous No.3831689 >>3831774 >>3832566
>>3824938
Do we ever see a successful Cerebus operation where everyone doesn't die? A lot of them were "we're going to do some dangerously stupid science no oh wait oh no everythings gone wrong and we're all dead". The most stupid probably being the one where they hooked up an autist to a Geth thinking he'd allow them to control the Geth but instead everyone died.

Only thing that comes to mind is the Shipyard that built the Normandy 2, everyone lived and the ship left the dock without unleashing horrors beyond comprehension.

Also, what exactly was the point of that shelter in Mass Effect 3 which accepted all the human refugees but instead turned them into Husks. I mean, why? Why turn all the human survivors into Husks?
Anonymous No.3831728
>>3831672
Its always the same shit, the same sort of weird insecurity about how if you like something that automatically means that it must be good.

Anon doesn't understand that its fine to like bad things or even like villains that are objectively written like shit.
Its fine to like bad things, you dont have to get defensive about it.
Anonymous No.3831729
>>3831636
>Wow it's like that's actually what happened and anyone with more than one brain cell figured that shit out 13 years ago, huh.
Well Im sorry for not being terminally online.
Anonymous No.3831774 >>3831782 >>3831825 >>3831840
>>3831597
>Come on now! A karate master destroying up an entire solar system with a single attack move? I don't think you appreciate the powerscale we are talking about here, or anime really!
>What is it with you midwits and your amazing coping mechanisms?
There is your identical Mass Effect argument but applied to DBZ, monkey

>>3831689
>Conquer the Galaxy with literal weaponized autism
TIM's one weakness was he was too ambitious
Anonymous No.3831782 >>3831803 >>3831854
>>3831774
Even your stupid strawman doesn't work cause there are literal gods in DBZ that outclass "karate masters" and balance the power scaling where "solar system destruction" lies within the realms of "possible".
Anonymous No.3831803 >>3831820 >>3831822 >>3831825 >>3831846 >>3831854
My sense is for the most part it's just one belligerent autist lurking here who shits on TIM as hard as he can at every conceivable opportunity he finds himself presented with as I have observed these posts being the same easily spotted brand of impotent whine every damn time

>>3831782
>b.. but Literal Gods bro! CHECKMATE
This argument ludicrously more strawman than mine. There are over 486 televised episodes of Dragon Ball Media (and over 10 Dragon Ball Movies) that aired before the first literal Gods appear by Super and Z Squad was blowing up planets looong before that point. You kind of neglected to mention the 26 year gap between (1989 and 2015 iirc) the first appearance of planet busters before the first appearance of literal Gods

>WTF how the hell can anime Lore lay within the realms of "possible"?
Can I pose the same question asking you how RPG Lore lays within the realm of possibility? I can, I just did
Anonymous No.3831820 >>3831854
>>3831803
>My sense is for the most part it's just one belligerent autist lurking here who shits on TIM as hard as he can at every conceivable opportunity he finds himself presented with as I have observed these posts being the same easily spotted brand of impotent whine every damn time
... Or maybe people just disagree with your sloppy argumentation.


>WTF how the hell can anime Lore lay within the realms of "possible"
Not my point, not even once.

> ...you kind of neglected to mention the 26 year gap between (1989 and 2015 iirc) the first appearance of planet busters before the first appearance of literal Gods
And that rant is completely meaningless. We're not living in 1990-2000's, as of today we have full access to all current episodes of DBZ and can base our impressions on that, details that rationalize setting retroactively only serve to improve the experience overall. That's how normal people judge works of fiction.

Regarding Mass Effect, If the book comes out that explains all TIM's inconsistencies regarding his stupidity despite the level of competence you present he has, you will be in the right. But you're not based on the information we have currently.
Anonymous No.3831822 >>3831825
>>3831803
>Not my point, not even once
>power scaling where "solar system destruction" lies within the realms of "possible"
Anonymous No.3831825 >>3831838
>>3831822
Your strawman question from >>3831803 in case you have dementia:

>WTF how the hell can anime Lore lay within the realms of "possible"?
I have never argued impossibility of anime (DBZ) lore, I provided the reason why your schizophrenia from >>3831774 doesn't make sense.
Anonymous No.3831838 >>3831854
>>3831825
all stemming from you arguing the impossibility of TIM Lore
Anonymous No.3831840 >>3832525
>>3831774
>There is your identical Mass Effect argument but applied to DBZ, monkey

..what?
Are you mentally retarded?
Anonymous No.3831846 >>3831868 >>3832525
>>3831803
>My sense is for the most part it's just one belligerent autist lurking here who shits on
Your "sense" is retarded just like your arguments.

I dont think there exists a single person who defends DBZ as being well-written you absolute zozzle.
Its stupid fun and awesome fights, that's it.
No one goes around saying that Cell or Buu are amazingly written villains.

what the fuck are you two Brazilian speds even going on about?
Anonymous No.3831854
>>3831838
I started arguing the impossibility in >>3831820 , you stated that "question" at >>3831803 , ONE POST before it. The only posts I did beforehand were >>3831782 and >>3831672 . Where the fuck do I argue impossibility there?
Anonymous No.3831868
>>3831846
>I dont think there exists a single person who defends DBZ as being well-written you absolute zozzle.
The funny thing is that it's pretty much known for the absolute opposite. Toryiama was a terrible writer. He subsisted almost purely off of rule of cool. Entire characters and displayed abilities were effectively removed from the series purely because he forgot about them. Toryiama, however, was excellent at creating fun and memorable moments as you said.
Anonymous No.3832525
>>3831840
Like I said:
>In DBZ the masterclass is unbelievably overpowered karate bros
>In ME the masterclass is unbelievably overpowered information broker bros
the analogy fits like a glove

>>3831846
>I dont think there exists a single person who defends DBZ as being well-written
I didn't defend DBZ as particularly well written but my analogy holds well enough
Anonymous No.3832563 >>3832582
I'm bracing myself for the shitshow that the new ME will be, but I know it will still hurt...
Anonymous No.3832566
>>3831689
Do we ever see a successful Cerebus operation where everyone doesn't die?
Project Lazarus. Literally the best thing TIM ever did and what eventually saved the galaxy despite TIM's best efforts.
Anonymous No.3832582
>>3832563
>ALL HANDS! BRACE YOURSELF FOR IMPACT!
Anonymous No.3833107 >>3834411
>>3819318
It's the same story with the Terra Firma group and to an extent Ashley. The series sets up humans as the underdogs and all the aliens including the council against you but the writers painted every human who was mistrustful of aliens as bad.

Hell I'm ME1 you are forced to take all the alien companions with you even though you're supposedly a spectre who makes their own rules.
Anonymous No.3834411
>>3833107
>"I can't tell the space animals from the space niggers!"
>"Heh. You're starting to sound like one of those Terra Firma pamphlets, Chief"
>"WHAT? THE? FUCK? Commander!! Have you gone insane? How dare you associate me with the incel voterbase of those fascist redneck pigs!?!"
>"What's with the mixed signals, Ash? Speak plainly! Do you prefer banging Krogan or do you prefer banging real men?"
>"I DESPISE THE GODDAMN KROGAN! They infuriate me to an extent that no situation I've ever encountered makes me pull my hair out harder than sharing a ship with just one stinky low IQ Krogan shitstain!"
>"Whoa. Cool it with the xenophobia. So you're saying the genophage was a good thing?"
>"Well. Idk. It's a tricky question, the genophage is a complicated issue with valid arguments for both sides, Commander... Really though, personally I think that.."
>"I'm not interested in your opinions, Chief. Go film a sex vid getting violently gangbanged by the most ruthless Turian gangsters on Omega you dumb inconsistent slut. That's an order damnit!"
>"Sigh. Aye aye sir... But for the record I'm not sure if I'll enjoy this"
What was her problem?
Anonymous No.3834453
>>3819318
he's literally getting controlled by the reapers throughout 3, did you play the game blindfolded?
Anonymous No.3835412
>>3824867
>Wasting enormous amount of time for a few extra achievements
Ah, yes. I remember how getting from Level 1 to Level 59 was only a fraction of what you'd need to get to Level 60 from 59.
Anonymous No.3835445 >>3836762 >>3837902
>>3817925
Dicking down Tali wasn't retarded though.
Anonymous No.3835448 >>3837902 >>3838003
The indoctrination theory is 100% correct and I just don't understand how people can be so mentally deficient as to deny it.
Anonymous No.3835451
>>3830794
The gay romances don't work because they're not degenerate enough to reflect real gay life, so they come off as shoehorned checklist inserts done out of obligation.
Anonymous No.3835452 >>3835938
>>3828200
SHUT THE FUCK UUUUP FUU I DON'T GIVE A SHIT
Always wanted to say that
Anonymous No.3835791 >>3836289
does ME3 multiplayer still exist? PC i mean.
Why does EA hate money and did not simply create a quick cash grab pure multiplayer game, reusing existing assets?
Anonymous No.3835938
>>3835452
COMMANDAH
AIRLOCK
THIS MACHINE
Anonymous No.3836289
>>3835791
Maybe one gameranger or something, not sure.
Anonymous No.3836477
>>3819318
>be objectively right about everything
Literally the only thing he was right about was that Shepard was a necessity and that no expense was too steep to get them back. Other than that, Cerberus was so ineffective and aimless that it came across as inadvertently comical
Anonymous No.3836762 >>3837209
>>3835445
Overrated bitch. Liara best girl.
Anonymous No.3837209
>>3836762
>Liara
>default boring vanilla choice intended by the developers
Just go back to whereall the other NPCs are
Anonymous No.3837902
>>3835445
Except in reality it would be low IQ to get physical with your Quarian crewmates. She only survived sex with the Commander because of her plot armor

>>3835448
Somebody should make an LE mod called " Debunked Indoctrination Theory" that removes as much IT evidence as possible:
>Cut the child from the first mission
>Cut the child from the dreams. Especially the dream where him and Shepard are grinning widely together whilst engulfed in fire
>Add midgame dialogue of Admiral Hackett telling Shepard something along the lines of "There seem to be 3 main functions of the Crucible, but we're not sure what they do..."
>100+ dead Kaidens removed from the post-beam dream
>100+ dead Ashleys removed from the post-beam dream
>New plants cut from the post-beam dream
>Non-reality vignette circle gets cut
>Cut Harbinger's "SERVE US" line
>Cut Major Coats retreat order
>Cut Harbinger flying away
>Cut Major Coats Citadel corpse
>Cut Shepard's Husk schreech dialogue
>Cut the Shadow Nigger Ship components from Citadel
>Cut dream TIM entirely(or at least alter his dialogue scriptcode to address Shepard instead of Anderson + make Shepard not bleed from his left gut when TIM shoots Anderson's left gut)
>Cut dream Anderson entirely(or at least alter his dialogue scriptcode to address Shepard instead of TIM)
>Remove the room that looks sickeningly similar to TIM's Office. Replace it with the Citadel Tower where you fought CyberSaren (where the Citadel Master Control Panel to open the ward arms was located in reality)
>Rework the Crucible room so it doesn't seem sickeningly similar to the "charge the beam" segment
>Cut Starchild entirely, once you get to the Crucible you have to pick Red Green or Blue with no explanation briefing from Harbinger
>Rename the plant objects' ingame coded names on the crash landing planet from "Dream Foliage" to "Foliage" and etc
>Cut Shepard wakes up breathing sequence
>etc etc
Then the argument holds water that face value endings will make sense imo
Anonymous No.3838003 >>3838566 >>3838579
>>3835448
>I just don't understand how people can be so mentally deficient as to deny i
There was an interview where the writer for ME says the indoctrination theory could've been a better choice for the story, yet they didn't come up with it and there is absolutely no deeper meaning behind visions outside of messianic imagery.
Anonymous No.3838566
>>3838003
>Writer says he loves IT in interview
>Writer debunks IT in interview
This was all about money. EA greed. After ME3's release there was a great Contrarian War on the Bioware website's official forums. Hundreds of autistic contrarians said they would boycott Bioware forever if IT was debunked. Likewise, thousands of autistic contrarians said they would boycott Bioware forever if IT was confirmed. So corporate ran the numbers and played their cards right (financially speaking) by debunking IT in an interview in their infinite search for more scheckels given the data they had available during the aftermath of the Galactic Contrarian forum war

The thing people need to understand about IT is that it was actually just a wise intentional marketing ploy all along. ME3 writers wanted to make the ending as debatable/ambiguous as possible for the sake of everlasting free PR. sort of similar to how Fallout Jew Vegas gets infinite free PR with the debatable ending to this day online
Anonymous No.3838579 >>3838599 >>3839262
>>3838003
yeah and the creators of the matrix say it's about being trans when it's really not what's your point
Anonymous No.3838599
>>3838579
They flew too close to the sun with the Matrix (didnโ€™t they get that script anonymously in the mail?) and thatโ€™s why the usual suspects put them into a K-hole and had that dominatrix sissify them via brainwashing. Them later saying it was about trannies was a retcon asspul, ex post facto. Also why they made those shitty sequels to water down the message of the first movie, probably because they had to write the scripts from scratch themselves.

Now, John Carpenter saying that โ€œThey Liveโ€ isnโ€™t about the Jewsโ€ฆ
Anonymous No.3838874 >>3839257
Reminder that the krogan mass rape of Earth's population is still going on, 13 years after the end of the war.
Anonymous No.3839257
>>3838874
>HELP!!!!!
>muhh Krogan mercenary niggers invaded my Homeworld 13 years ago!!
>All hope is LOST! Forever!
>muhh Krogans razed muhh town alien niggers raped muhh farm animals muhh family muhh sons muhh daughters muhh wife muhh sisters and muhh mother!! MUHH KROGANZ RAPED MUHH MOM!! JFC!
>THIS IS FUCKING BULLSHIT!
>Hostile alien invaders force me to watch 1,000 enemy Krogan soldiers rape muhh wifey every day!!
>ablo0oo ablo0oo!!!
>what do?
>13 years later the Krogan mercenary niggers are still here!! WTF? they still haven't left!!
>WHY WON'T THE KROGAN JUST FUCKING LEAVE!?
>WHEN WILL THE KROGAN LEAVE!?
>HELP ME muhh Krogans are still here rampaging! raping! BTFOing muhh World's populations and muhh glorious civilizations!!
>WHY WON'T THE CITADEL COUNCIL SEND SUPPORT!? MY GOD!! WHY?? WHERE ARE THE FLEETS DAMNIT?
If you're having problems with too many Krogan stinking up your neighborhood there is a very simple solution just hire a bounty hunter bro. And by "a bounty hunter" I mean hire pic related obviously do not hire some cheap amateur bounty hunter. Zaeed doesn't work for cheap but he's the best in the game, simple as. If you throw enough money at him the man will gladly exterminate thousands (or millions) of Krogan for you
Anonymous No.3839262
>>3838579
nta but I think he's saying that The Matrix is a movie about trans politics. Not a movie about kung fu or simulation theory or prophecy or philosophy or guns or the power of friendship or the post-apocalyptic struggles of the Robot Wars or anything like that because the creator said so that the Matrix is a gay movie right?
Anonymous No.3839289
>>3818330
Happens exactly twice. Both times he immediately admits he's taking the piss after getting the reaction he wants
Anonymous No.3840060
>>3819345
Make ME2 happen after ME3. ME2 is now about going around to different planets to recruit them in the fight against the reapers while also trying to figure out how to fight them when they inevitably arrive. At the end of ME2 they find out what the key to stopping the Reapers is, and ME3 is now about having to actually find that key. The suicide mission from ME2 is now the ending of the series as the key members of the team you have built up throughout the series risk their lives to find the magical plot device that will stop the Reapers forever. Instead of Andromeda, Mass Effect 4 takes place years in the future when Shephard is now a political leader, and you play a completely different character. The militarization necessary to combat the Reaper threat has changed the political landscape of the galaxy, and the plot of this one is about avoiding a civil war. All of these games focus on Shephard's role as a combination spy/diplomat/sheriff rather than making him a space marine.
Anonymous No.3840078
>>3819345
Make reapers a done deal in 2 - everyone's on board that reapers are coming, there are massive excavation efforts on Ilos, countermeasures are already in place. The fuckers won't be coming for a couple of thousands of years and everyone will be ready by then.

ME2 happens the same as usual, except Shep is controlled like Miranda suggested and ex\other companions work towards setting him free. They do that and Illusive man, not wanting to waste such opportunity, strikes the suicide mission deal for the vessel and everyone's lives, with reapers on system maps replaced with Cerberus interceptors.The final choice between blow-up\emp-wipe human reaper still happens but always leads to emp-wipe due to TIM rigging the explosive in advance, doing the dialogue to pulse-check whether Shep can be negotiated with in ME3.

ME3 is completely rewritten to be about galaxy at war - geth coming out of the veil to destroy quarians, salarians starting the war with krogan after Saren's rogue krogan clone kills a salarian leader and humans going at yet another war with Batarians. War Trophies instead of crucible completion indicate the overall stability of the galaxy. The final mission is the battle for Rannoch where Cruicible is rewritten to be geth anti-organic superweapon made by heretics. TIM joins the conflict to secure the weapon as a massive leverage against the galaxy, geth ally with geth heretics to secure their own existance and prevent the shutdown and quarians ally with council races to prevent both outcomes. Three endings go as such, all with Paragon/Renegade flavor - "Supremacy" (TIM controls the cuicible) that's possible only if TIM trusts you enough over the course of ME2 and ME3, "Synthesis"(Ending from the original, the conflict between synth and organic is resolved by merging of lifeforms) - only possible if you place geth over quarians and betray Tali and "Resolution" available if you get war tropfies above 5000. Otherwise, bad end.
Anonymous No.3840335
>>3817937
>It will release one day, if the internet isn't shut down before then.
oh cool, never even then