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Anonymous No.3819676 >>3819678 >>3819685 >>3819692 >>3819696 >>3819734 >>3819746 >>3819789 >>3820846 >>3820920 >>3821985 >>3823892 >>3825170 >>3826131 >>3827299 >>3829424 >>3833263 >>3833916 >>3834367
I like Fallout 3
It feels like Fallout and that matters.
Anonymous No.3819678 >>3819687
>>3819676 (OP)
But it taught you what Fallout is when you played it on your first childhood console, the Xbox 360.
Anonymous No.3819685 >>3824325
>>3819676 (OP)
>Fallout is when VATS
Anonymous No.3819687 >>3819689 >>3819739 >>3820755 >>3820770 >>3826133
>>3819678
PS3. But yeah I was 13 when I played it. I remember seeing Fallout 3 in a red case and also seeing New Vegas, I chose 3 and played the fuck out of it, still remember the awe of wandering the massive map and shooting raiders and supermutants, later I played FNV loved it, and I even dabble with Fallout 1 and 2 on my PC. Think the great thing that Fallout 3 did was what it did for a generation. Had I not played Fallout 3 I would have never interacted with the franchise. For years I listen to FNV supremacist faggots box in Fallout 3 like its the antichrist of RPGs and Fallout, and I preached what they said, but I am now coming back to appreciate 3. It isn't perfect, but it IS Fallout and that matters.
Anonymous No.3819689 >>3819692
>>3819687
It is a shitty fallout, and that is what matters.
Anonymous No.3819692 >>3819739 >>3819748
>>3819676 (OP)
>>3819689
Fallout 3 is fun, that's all that matters in a game. Also, Fallout 3 probably did more for fallout fans than would have ever happened if the sequels hadn't been a totally different direction. The death of old fallout was so impactful to the people that loved it that we got indie spiritual successors like Underrail and mods like Nevada that far exceed what some studio wagies would have pounded out to make a quick buck. Van Buren was a mess and probably would have sucked, Avellone is a hack writer.
Anonymous No.3819696
>>3819676 (OP)
>It feels like Fallout and that matters.
Based. Easily the most kino Fallout game.
Anonymous No.3819734 >>3819747 >>3820803 >>3821987
>>3819676 (OP)
I'm kinda on the fence with it because I like to explore the Capital Wasteland and the points of interest out there, but the devs tried too hard with the "Look! We are totally Fallout, guys!" and I don't really like it; they tried to cram as many references to the previous games as possible where they could have introduced new factions and items more aligned with the east coast instead of porting stuff from the west in some contrived way and it felt like a wasted opportunity. It's a small gripe I could talk a lot about but it goes nowhere.
Still a good game, though. I love The Pitt sidequest and I have made two Unarmed/Endurance builds just to really enjoy it from the get-go.
Anonymous No.3819739 >>3821991
>>3819687
>>3819692
Yeah Fallout 3 was my first Fallout and made me interested in the series as a whole. These days I prefer 2 as my Fallout of choice because I like the style of gameplay and such more but I can still play 3 or NV without issue.

Still gotta get around to trying 4 though.
Anonymous No.3819746
>>3819676 (OP)
>It feels like Fallout

lol
lmao
Anonymous No.3819747
>>3819734
>devs tried too hard with the "Look! We are totally Fallout, guys!" and I don't really like it; they tried to cram as many references to the previous games as possible
Like what? The Enclave?
Are you brown?
>devs tried too hard
Anonymous No.3819748 >>3819751 >>3819787 >>3822007
>>3819692
>Fallout 3 is fun, that's all that matters in a game
Sure, if your standards are on an extremely low threshold where any pathetic facsimile fills the void.
I take you as seriously as those who go ' Ultima IX was ok guys,Wasteland 2 is not boring, DA2 was actually fun, ME3 was fine but for the endings ' etc
Anonymous No.3819750 >>3826136
I recently tried to replay it. It did not age well.
Anonymous No.3819751 >>3819754
>>3819748
>guys games are DEEP art that have to wow me and make me change my life's point of view every time I engage with it!!!!
Pretentious fags like you are so funny. Does it trigger you to know that most people also read or watch movies for fun over trying to have a life changing experience?
Anonymous No.3819754 >>3819756 >>3819787
>>3819751
Nobody said anything about art or life altering experiences.
Just not being easily satisfied with mediocrity.
10s of millions wasted time on Starfield, it is still ass.
Inquisition sold a fuckton, it's still a boring and shallow game.
Anonymous No.3819756
>>3819754
Fallout 3 was my first fallout, but later I realized New Vegas was better, and so were 2 and 1. Doesn't mean it's bad, though.
Anonymous No.3819787 >>3819790 >>3819816 >>3821996
>>3819748
>>3819754
Fallout 3 is a fun action adventure game with RPG elements. I'm sorry you're too much of an autismo to get past the le ecksbawks meme because it really is great.

It's a loving 3D recreation of Washington DC rendered by locals who truly enjoy the atmosphere of fallout. There's lots of great moments in questing (lamplighter cove, the AntAgonizer, the scientist who's keeping a bunch of old people alive in his VR torture chamber, etc.) and interesting holes to dive down. Exploring the lovingly detailed post-apocalyptic national mall is pure beautiful Americana schlock and I love it. It doesn't have a lot of replay value, it's nothing like an RPG, and it's quite dated nowadays but if you think it's a bad game that's on you man, you're allowed to like what you like I guess but as far as effort and skill goes FO3 has a hell of a lot more in it than starfield. That's 2 of the 3 components of art, and one would say it's hit the third as well since you've had such a strong response to it.

Anyways, you've not listed a single reason you don't like it, just said that it's le shit, so I'm assuming you're a sour cRPG purist like most of the angry little men on this board.
Anonymous No.3819789
>>3819676 (OP)
It feels more like Oblivion than Fallout.
Anonymous No.3819790 >>3819797 >>3819806
>>3819787
>can't get past the drawbacks
>you are an autist
What the fuck?
Anonymous No.3819797 >>3819806 >>3819812
>>3819790
Autist doesn't even mean anything anymore. It's just an catch-all insult used when you disagree with someone and have no arguments, so you resort to character shaming
Anonymous No.3819806 >>3819810
>>3819790
>>3819797
My dear samefag,

I called you an autist because you replied to my neutrally-postured reply to the OP - about how I also enjoyed FO3 - by angrily talking shit on it and implicitly insulting me. I clearly explained to you my choice of wording when calling you autistic in the above reply. I cited the fact that you have not enumerated any of the drawbacks you have vaguely made reference to in your unprovoked attacks in my (you)s. Thus, my default judgement is that I can only assume this is a result of cRPG puritan autism that runs rampant here. Until you provide some evidence otherwise, a spastic attack of the retard kind is the most logical explanation to this pattern of behavior. You did this to yourself, sperglord.
Anonymous No.3819810
>>3819806
Anonymous No.3819811 >>3819849
Fallout 3 doesn't do a single thing better than any other game in the series it is a part of. It is objectively the least valuable Fallout game in terms of what it has to offer. Even BoS gives the player a style of gameplay that hasn't been since before or since in Fallout.
Anonymous No.3819812
>>3819797
>Autist doesn't even mean anything anymore
It never did. It was always just a ready-made excuse for pathetic losers.
Anonymous No.3819816 >>3819830
>>3819787
>It's a loving 3D recreation of Washington DC rendered by locals
not really. Fo3's DC is very gutted and everything outside of DC may as well be complete fiction aside from a couple of names.
Anonymous No.3819830
>>3819816
I mean, what did you expect? A 1:1 map? It's a year 2 360 game. It's captures the spirit though, at least to me. Bethesda had kind of a knack for that that imo, the >vibes of Boston are pretty comfy in that mess of a game but would have been so much better if they had more than the like 2 token characters that have a northeastern accent. The shitty VO in their old games is excusable for the era I guess, but the fact that everyone sounds like they're hanging out in a studio in California in a game that's supposed to be in an absurd retro future Americana version of Boston in the 50s is ridiculous, especially considering how filthy rich beth was and is post-skyrim. Just one of the many symptoms of the lazy uninspired bullshit-itis that infects nu-beth.
Anonymous No.3819849
>>3819811
It does one thing better than all of them:
your mom lmao gottem
Anonymous No.3820755 >>3820757 >>3820809 >>3822009
>>3819687
>It isn't perfect, but it IS Fallout and that matters.
Objectively wrong. It's a typical Bethesda attraction park with a Fallout skin on it. It makes no sense lore-wise, almost all moral choices are butcher puppy or don't butcher puppy, the characters are almost all trash because of the terrible writing... Like Hitman Absolution, it's a decent game by itself if you want to just look at the pretty colors, turn your brain off and do stupid shit, but it's not at all what the series is about.

The only things that are canon about Fallout are FO1, FO2 and FNV.
Anonymous No.3820757
>>3820755
>FO2
Canon ghosts
Anonymous No.3820770 >>3821008
>>3819687
so you don't know what fallout actually is
Anonymous No.3820803
>>3819734
>they could have introduced new factions and items more aligned with the east coast
Well in their next game they introduced Minutemen and Institute, as well as synths (technically they already were in F3). Minutemen are cookie cutter good guys and Institute with synths don't really fit the franchise's tech. Honestly i preferred 3 in that regard, whatever was there from the older games was utilized better, sometimes with an interesting spin (Outcasts and Ashur in contrast to Brotherhood is what i am mainly talking about).
I was a hardline NV cultist, ironically up to the moment when i played the games back to back with TTW and found out that the writing wasn't all that different between them.
Anonymous No.3820809 >>3820824 >>3821261
>>3820755
>fo2 canon
>the game with ghosts,talking plants,rats and deathclaw
Nah nigga you dont get to talk when fo2 did the biggest damage on the franchise with the retarded pop culture jokes.Its even worse than most remember bc I replayed it with my gf and every fucking town is written like the "the funny bit".Fo3 is closer to the original then you fags wanna recognize.And i say that as someone who fucking hates 3
Anonymous No.3820824 >>3820830 >>3820875 >>3821051 >>3821261 >>3826137
>>3820809
Fallout 1 is also a game with psychic mutants that can kill prisoners with their mind powers, has Nuka-Cola addicts, and Bobs Iguana Bits.
>But the talking animals
https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/FEV_experiment_disk
>We have infected 53 raccoons with the new strain. In addition to the now expected size increase, behavioral tests confirmed an increase in intelligence and manual dexterity by 19 points on the Schuler-Kapp index. Unfortunately, several subjects escaped confinement and had to be hunted down and dispatched. Major Barnett ordered the remaining subjects terminated. Two pairs were unaccounted for.
And that only one of the three "FEV increases intelligence in animals" annidotes
>but the references
You can pick up dogmeat in Junktown with the Mad Max jacket
I'm getting tired of people acting like Fallout 1 is this grimdark game that Fallout 2 and onward ruined. And yes this extends to 3, NV, etc. I'm not looking to play favorites here.
Anonymous No.3820830
>>3820824
>I'm getting tired of people acting like Fallout 1 is this grimdark game that Fallout 2 and onward ruined.
Okay but
>And yes this extends to 3, NV, etc. I'm not looking to play favorites here.
Oh. Unexpected. Respect.
Anonymous No.3820846 >>3820848 >>3820850 >>3820989 >>3822013
>>3819676 (OP)
How do you know what Fallout feels like?
Anonymous No.3820848 >>3822280
>>3820846
>How do you know what Fallout feels like?
Christmas β€˜97. You stayed up late last night reading Jurassic Park. You open the box that says β€œRemember Wasteland?” You didn’t play Wasteland (too old and clunky), but your dad did. It’s warm inside and cold outside, as you flip through the manual and read the dessert recipes in the back.
>Captcha: YYYYY
Anonymous No.3820850 >>3820886
>>3820846
By playing it
Anonymous No.3820875 >>3820911
>>3820824
>psychic mutants that can kill prisoners with their mind powers, has Nuka-Cola addicts, and Bobs Iguana Bits
Psychic powers research is like government conspiracies 101; it's not weird at all that the Master would dabble in it. The other two things you listed aren't even all that weird.
>But the talking animals
The research tape didn't say that they talked, only that they experienced an increase in intelligence. Talking raccoons were cut out of the game because it's a retarded concept.
>You can pick up dogmeat in Junktown with the Mad Max jacket
So? Is this equal to Cassidy saying (over and over again) that he wants a Limit Break?
>I'm getting tired of people acting like Fallout 1 is this grimdark game that Fallout 2 and onward ruined
It's not grimdark, just way more sincere than whatever comes after.
Anonymous No.3820886 >>3820896
>>3820850
Which one did you play?
Anonymous No.3820893
>oblivion with guns
>Fallout
Tactics was more fallout than this shit
Anonymous No.3820896 >>3820901
>>3820886
Fallout 3
Anonymous No.3820901 >>3820932
>>3820896
then how do you know what Fallout feels like?
Anonymous No.3820911
>>3820875
>Psychic powers research is like government conspiracies 101; it's not weird at all that the Master would dabble in it.
Causing prisoners to explode with sheer thought is not something that's government conspiracy 101. A "forced evolutionary virus" should not cause psionic powers. The animal intelligence actually makes more sense.
>The research tape didn't say that they talked, only that they experienced an increase in intelligence. Talking raccoons were cut out of the game because it's a retarded concept.
So if the Deathclaws in F2 didn't use human speech but still had the same sapience, would you have no problem with it? Besides I think it's reasonable to expect a sapience species to come and learn the dominant language spoken by a majority of the apes that reside the wasteland still. But regardless, FEV is canonically known to cause an increase in intelligence in animals, so it's not a lore point that you can pick at for the other games getting wrong.
>So? Is this equal to Cassidy saying (over and over again) that he wants a Limit Break?
My point is that its not just a quick reference that pops up in a special encounter or combat dialog, but a cause and effect style reference/joke that typically bothers people about Fallout 2. Same with Doc Morbid in Junktown turning peoples corpses into Bobs prime cuts. Or the Nuka-Cola addit in the Boneyard. These aren't special encounters you can ignore but baked into the town environments. Or how about Loxley the DnD expy thief?
>It's not grimdark, just way more sincere than whatever comes after.
And what do you mean by sincere? You don't think Fallout 2, 3, NV, etc didn't have passionate people working on it? If you mean publisher meddling then I can agree with that, a good portion of the problems with all the Fallout games is from Interplay being shitty and Bethesda seeing Fallout more for its marketability.
Anonymous No.3820920
>>3819676 (OP)
HAY YOU BITCH
LISTEN TO ME
LISTEN TO ME
Anonymous No.3820932 >>3820955
>>3820901
By playing it
Anonymous No.3820955 >>3820971
>>3820932
But you didnt play Fallout.
Anonymous No.3820971
>>3820955
I played Fallout
Anonymous No.3820989 >>3821014
>>3820846
I put my penis in my hand and rubbed it and cummed while looking at Laura's portrait
Anonymous No.3821008
>>3820770
nigger what are you talking about? I played FO and FO2
Anonymous No.3821014 >>3821099 >>3821119 >>3821592
>>3820989
>can't fuck anyone in F1
>all the fuckable NPCs in F2 have no portraits
>Gamebryo ugliness with F3/NV
Goddammit. Guess F4 will have to do.
Anonymous No.3821051 >>3821058 >>3821067
>>3820824
This. Contrarian niggers cherry-pick the few bits of comedy and pretend the entire game is like that, a typical pilpul lie. The issue with the Bethesda games isn't some small portion of comedy, it's the overall structure, the well written parts are the minority when in Obsidian games they are the majority.

The constant pilpuling "No-Bark exists therefore FNV was never a serious game in any capacity" makes me wish the Legion got a hold of those nogs.
Anonymous No.3821058
>>3821051
>The constant pilpuling "No-Bark exists therefore FNV was never a serious game in any capacity"
No one has ever said that sincerely, and you are well aware
Anonymous No.3821067
>>3821051
1 of the 2 major factions in FNV is an shitty undeveloped throwaway tabletop premise, it's a very unserious game.
Anonymous No.3821099
>>3821014
>Still no Tandi rape mod
Anonymous No.3821119 >>3821125 >>3826142
>>3821014
>can't fuck anyone in F1
Stopped reading here, false.
Anonymous No.3821125 >>3821176 >>3821525
>>3821119
Whomst've? I'm guessing its just like F2 though, where you just get to stare at a sprite and fill in with your imagination. Laura and Tandi aren't sexable.
Anonymous No.3821176
Fallout 1 was the one game in the series I basically completed but still didn't because the version I installed would crash when I tried to destroy the lab/factory. Bare-handed/talk to the power fist is the best. Played some NV but that one required the player to acquire brass knuckles to start having fun as as a fister, and those are nowhere in the first town or its surroundings. Couldn't really get into 2 for some reason. Played 3 a bit but stopped at some point too. Is bare-handed even possible/viable in Fallout Tactics?

>>3821125
A prostitute (I think) if you save her without killing the guy holding her hostage for some reason.
Anonymous No.3821261 >>3821601
>>3820809
You're right, I find far more silliness in 2 than 3. Personally I felt NV was much more in line with 1, despite mostly following up on events from 2.
>>3820824
Everyone can see you're reaching, the silliest things from 1 are downright grounded compared to the average town in 2.
Anonymous No.3821525
>>3821125
>Whomst've?
Sinthia the seductive sellbaby, the whore in the Junktown inn. There is a quest about saving her from a raider who takes her hostage.
There's also Keri in the Crimson Caravan in the Hub. I only learned about that recently, never knew that back in the day.
>I'm guessing its just like F2 though, where you just get to stare at a sprite and fill in with your imagination.
Correct.
Anonymous No.3821592 >>3826709 >>3833842
>>3821014
>>Gamebryo ugliness with F3/NV
Didn't stop me from using the porn mods...
Also, F3/NV raider girls make me act up.
Anonymous No.3821601
>>3821261
>Everyone can see you're reaching, the silliest things from 1 are downright grounded compared to the average town in 2.
But 1 doesn't lack in sillyness then. That's my whole point. All the Fallout games have stupid shit in them, including 1. And disliking the later games for being "too silly" I find silly. Especially because every other game eclipses Fallout 1 in content, it's only natural there would be more of everything, including one off gags.
Anonymous No.3821744
I finished fallout 3 and 4 but not new vegas. I think new vegas is very overrated
Anonymous No.3821985 >>3821992
>>3819676 (OP)
I also really like Fallout 3.
Great game.
It isn't nostalgia either, I played it only after I'd already played 4, New Vegas, and even 2.
>It feels like Fallout
Definitely, it gets a lot of the core aesthetics and themes from the first two games, gives it its own spin of course, and really lets you appreciate the world that Interplay, Black Isle, and then Bethesda built.

The feeling of crawling out of subways into various ruined areas of DC is very reminiscent of when you're first walking through the Boneyard in Fallout 1 and you see the world map literally blacken as you get deeper into the ruins of LA, and then see that iconic background image for the location selection screen there.
The way the map outside DC is rather sparsely population, with random encounters which can interact with each other is the perfect way to bring the random encounters from the classic titles to life in a 3d action RPG format.
Anonymous No.3821987 >>3822290 >>3833257
>>3819734
Well Bethesda needed to make sure they used as much of the classic Fallout iconography as possible to make it clear they weren't just abusing the brand name for a quick buck.
Sure, now that Bethesda Fallout is so established it seems kinda forced, but it had its purpose back then.

Also, I think that's more pronounced in the enemy variety moreso than factions.
Like I guess you can say that bringing back the Enclave and the supermutants was too much. I'm not sure if I agree, but okay. The Brotherhood are there, but they had been in every Fallout game before. And it makes a lot more lore sense for the BoS to be in Washington DC than in Chicago or Texas.
Anonymous No.3821991
>>3819739
>Still gotta get around to trying 4 though.
4 has good points. It's combat is quite fun, and the perks do allow for plenty unique builds. The level design for the many, many dungeons is also fantastic. Which helps.
Unfortunately it's way too focused on just combat.

It's a shame because the non-combat stuff is also mostly good, the companions are the best in the series, some of the side quests are genuinely really good, too.
But even when compared to Fallout 3 the balance between combat encounters and more writing-focused things like towns to explore or side quests is way off.

If you can get it on sale, I'd recommend it.
Anonymous No.3821992
>>3821985
I got the Fo1 vibes from it too, even woth the changed location. They did an excellent job making the jump to 3D, first person no less. Makes Fo's world real.

Can't imagine anyone else doing better. We saw Obsidian's attempt, and it was honestly pretty bad.
Anonymous No.3821996 >>3826146 >>3826175
>>3819787
>Fallout 3 is a fun action adventure game with RPG elements
It's an action RPG. You don't need to play coy.
Sure on here you'll have faggots who say any game which puts any focus on player skill doesn't count as an RPG or whatever, but those people are gay and stupid.

I mean Fallout 3 not only has VATS, a purely RPG way of doing combat, leveling, player skills, perks, many viable character builds, and that whole thing.
But its sidequests are also more numerous and more in-depth than 90% of Fallout 1.
Anonymous No.3822007 >>3823324
>>3819748
Replace ME3 with ME2 or you're pretending and as much of a shitter as the people you complain about
Anonymous No.3822009 >>3822290
>>3820755
>It makes no sense lore-wise,
Yes it does. I mean what's the lore-related problem?
The BoS would naturally want to take the military tech in the Pentagon, and if they had to walk all the way coast to coast, their leader opting to lead them in a more benevolent direction is very realistic.
It makes sense that Vault-tec would be given some FEV to experiment with
And it makes sense that the Enclave would have more than one base, and try to rebuild in the original capitol of the USA.

Like all previous Fallout games up to that point, 3 has its own distinct tone and take on the worldbuilding of Fallout.
Fallout 2 played into the comedy, the satire, and the outlandish elements of the Fallout universe.
Tactics played into the militaristic grit, and BoS played into the dudebro 'awesomeness' of the post-apocalyptic wasteland.

Fallout 3 made a world more outlandish and whimsical. Where you could have vampire-esque mutants, or a town of just children, or characters who mostly played into the 50s theming in their dialogue.
Fallout 2 had fucking ghosts, this is not a great deviation.

>almost all moral choices are butcher puppy or don't butcher puppy,
Most choices in Fallout 1 or 2 were black and white as well. And having a greater emphasis on good vs evil morality is a perfectly fine direction to take an RPG. You may not like it as much, but Fallout 1 and 2 did already introduce a good vs evil karma system.
>the characters are almost all trash because of the terrible writing
Have you played the game? There are plenty of great characters, and most of the writing is serviceable to good. Albeit there is also a significant amount of bad dialogue, too. I'll grant you so much.
Anonymous No.3822013
>>3820846
It's subjective. It's a feeling you get from the series.
Fallout 3 captures the atmosphere and mood of the first games, despite being so drastically different in gameplay.
Anonymous No.3822116 >>3822204 >>3822219 >>3822242 >>3822293 >>3822757
Lol this game is dogshit. Yeah, the exploration is fun, but that's literally all Bethesda did right. Fun =/= Good. The story is dogshit. The dialogue is dogshit. The voice acting is dogshit. Creation engine is dogshit.
Anonymous No.3822204 >>3823370
>>3822116
>Fun =/= Good.
lmao this take is always so retarded. It's fun to see it in the wild.
Anonymous No.3822219 >>3823370
>>3822116
Welcome
In todays episode of /video game RPGs/, we are discus-
>Fun =/= Good
What the fuck
Anonymous No.3822242
>>3822116
>Fun =/= Good
I really doubt that it is actually fun. This is not unlike the typical Disnoid slop like Star Wars.
Anonymous No.3822280
>>3820848
This post kills the zoomer
Anonymous No.3822290 >>3822748
>>3821987
>The Brotherhood are there, but they had been in every Fallout game before. And it makes a lot more lore sense for the BoS to be in Washington DC than in Chicago or Texas.
They were in Fallout 1 and 2 and made perfect sense since they were founded by a single group just after the war on the West Coast. Tactics was pushing it and isn't considered canon, and no one talks about BOS. Washington still makes less sense since it's even further away than the others.
>>3822009
>I mean what's the lore-related problem?
This is a world where long distance travel is slow and arduous due to the collapse and decay of pre-war technology (railways, aircraft, highways). The airships in Tactics were pulled out of nowhere. The brotherhood in Fallout 2 were a declining organisation with a few small bases. Then in the following games we're to believe they built massive aircraft and were able to project and continually supply a large-scale military campaign to the other side of the continent within 30 years?
>The BoS would naturally want to take the military tech in the Pentagon
Sure they'd want to, but the effort required vs the potential reward makes it a stupid decision to actually attempt. It's 200 years after the war and they have literally no information about what happened in DC since then. Even if there was some great and important pre-war tech that they kept in the Pentagon (which they wouldn't know for certain) then it could easily have been obliterated by a nuke during the war. It could easily have been looted by all manner of scavengers in the past two centuries. It's actually stupid to expect some advanced technology would be sitting untouched in a populated city after all that time.
Anonymous No.3822293
>>3822116
The visual design was good too. Maybe they overdid the retrofuture aspect a little, but Fallout 4 makes you appreciate the gritty atmosphere.
Anonymous No.3822748
>>3822290
Seems like your problem is more with Tactics and BoS making the Brotherhood into a much more powerful and prominent group than they were in Fallout 2, rather than what Bethesda did in Fallout 3.
I mean it was Bethesda who made most of Fallout Tactics non-canon, not Interplay.
Anonymous No.3822757 >>3822779 >>3823370
>>3822116
>Fun =/= Good
what a pretentious statement.
Anonymous No.3822779
>>3822757
Old phrase I recall
>casual gamers play games when they are fun
>hardcore gamers play games when they are not fun
Anonymous No.3823324
>>3822007
ME2 was also absolute decline, sure.
I just posted some of the more common coping mechanisms posted everywhere.
Do not be a retard like people on twitter who think absence of every example possible is a gotcha
Anonymous No.3823370 >>3823373 >>3823406 >>3823776 >>3826149
>>3822204
>>3822219
>>3822757
Retards. Call of Duty is "fun", but no one would argue it's "good". The one major aspect of its gameplay (shooter) will always be fun to players, but that doesn't mean everything else thrown in will also be good.
Anonymous No.3823373 >>3823386
>>3823370
>Call of Duty is "fun", but no one would argue it's "good"
Retard
Anonymous No.3823386 >>3823401
>>3823373
Oh wow, what a compelling argument, you're absolutely right. My apologies, anon.
Anonymous No.3823401
>>3823386
I'll have a conversation with you the day you post something sincere.
Anonymous No.3823406 >>3823504
>>3823370
You're right. Early Overwatch was fun but it wasn't a good or well designed game. Dustbowl in TF2 is a shitty and terribly designed map, but it's fun to play on.
Anonymous No.3823504
>>3823406
I hate using it as an example because of all the inevitable whining, but I like 2077 a lot, and I do think the game is fun, but there are many things about it that I can admit that also disappoint me, and some things I particularly loathe and would not call "good" by any stretch (level scaling), but I still enjoy playing the game because I love the lore and setting.
Another good example is Age of Conan and Conan Exiles. I fucking love Conan and everything that has to do with it, but I absolutely despise Funcom and their treatment of Age of Conan. Conan Exiles was better, but the way they treat their games just bothers me, like it's a business first before its a game developer. Great IP's, but lacking soul because I don't believe any of the people who make them are actual gamers. They churn shit off an assembly line, stroke it for a year and then abandon it for the next project. Typical corporate bullshit.
Anonymous No.3823698 >>3823774
Characteristics of Black and White Thinking in Autism:

Categorizing things as all good or all bad:
Instead of recognizing a spectrum of qualities, things are often perceived as either completely positive or completely negative.
Anonymous No.3823774 >>3823783
>>3823698
25% good is not the same as 75% good. People often generalize in purely like or dislike states, just like you seem to go full autism with either love or hating people that disagree with you.
Faggot.
Anonymous No.3823776 >>3823778 >>3823784
>>3823370
I think lots of people would argue that call of duty is good. I haven't played since blops two but it always was a really well designed way to scratch your monkey brain. Everything from the gun feel to the movement to the little sound that the hit marker makes was expertly designed to be a perfect TDM experience. You're just insistent on being a pretentious faggot that's too good for pop culture.
Anonymous No.3823778 >>3823836
>>3823776
>Old cod is good
>No idea if new cod is good because i havent played a new cod in 13 years
Lol, ok guy.
But anyway, yeah, lots of people play cod. Lots of people aren't experts, either.
Anonymous No.3823783
>>3823774
>just like you seem to go full autism with either love or hating people that disagree with you.
Who? Have you imagined some specific person?
Anonymous No.3823784 >>3823789
>>3823776
I played the very first COD, before there were any numbers, and even at the time it was sub-par compared to its competitors (Half-Life 1 mods in particular). It did have nice graphics at the time, and iron sights were relatively novel at the time, but that's about it. The movement and guns didn't feel very good.
Anonymous No.3823789 >>3823797
>>3823784
>competitors (Half-Life 1 mods
Kek

CoD and Medal of Honor had that rivalry of who has the best WW shooter. By the time CoD4 and WaW came out, the winner was pretty clear.

For me that last CoD game was.. Advanced Warfare? We played the local co-op campaign with a friend. Bops: Zombies mode was fun. The load outs and progression in normal multiplayer was cool.
Anonymous No.3823797
>>3823789
IMO Day of Defeat for HL1 was the undisputed champion of WW2 shooters, until Red Orchestra came out (shame about the 2nd one). DOD had the perfect marriage of fast-paced, tight, and precise movement physics, with realistic weapons with high damage, high accuracy, and recoil you could control instead of a random cone of inaccuracy. Source engine had the neat physics gimmick but always felt bad IMO, just felt floaty and loose and wrong.
Anonymous No.3823836 >>3823846 >>3823856
>>3823778
>Lots of people aren't experts
Look fellas, we got a games expert over here.
Anonymous No.3823846 >>3823867 >>3823879 >>3824012
>>3823836
I didn't say I was an expert, faggot. Majority of "gamers" are casuals, it's a fucking fact, and they're all as dumb as you. No fucking 9-5 retard that plays an hour or two on the weekend knows anything about what is a good game or not.
Anonymous No.3823856 >>3823867 >>3823879 >>3824012
>>3823836
>Lots of people aren't experts
>"So you count yourself among expert then?!"
This stupid Twitter line of thinking is seriously getting on my nerves...
Anonymous No.3823867 >>3823873
>>3823846
>>3823856
Which ones of your favorite youtubers are video game experts?
Anonymous No.3823873 >>3823890
>>3823867
I don't watch any youtubers except the random asmongold clip, and while I don't think he is an expert at any particular game, he is definitely a hardcore gamer, unlike most of the people that watch him.
Anonymous No.3823879 >>3823919
>>3823846
>>3823856
>I didn't say I was an expert
Let's follow your comments and see what you implied with them. I know autists have trouble following subtext, so let's do a little walkthrough of your key points:
>X game is bad
>This is true in spite of what the playerbase believes - that X game is good
>The player base cannot know that what they think is good is actually bad
>This is because they are not "experts"
With this train of thought, the implicit supposition is that one must be an "expert" to know whether a game is good or not. Thus, in order for you to definitively make your original statement that X game is le not good, you must be an expert by your own reasoning. If you are not saying you are an expert then the entire premise of this conversation - that X game is bad even though it's fun - is based on the opinion of a non-"expert"(an opinion which is again, as you have implied through your dismissive treatment of non-"experts" who like call of duty, invalid) and is therefore wrong.
Anonymous No.3823890 >>3823936
>>3823873
Where are the video game experts, anon?
Anonymous No.3823892
>>3819676 (OP)
I liked New Vegas better but I always liked this one. Now I always say it's my favorite just because hbomberfag is so fucking annoying to me.
Anonymous No.3823919 >>3823990
>>3823879
I find it amusing how far off track you anons are willing to go just to try and prove a point, even if it has nothing to do with the discussion. Just keep moving goalposts and forgetting what you're even arguing about as long as you can latch on to something to shitpost about.
Anonymous No.3823936
>>3823890
Playing games. Real gamers don't do anything but.
Anonymous No.3823990 >>3823993 >>3823996
>>3823919
>says something retarded
>logically and irrefutably proven to be a retard
>WHY ARE YOU MOVING THE GOALPOSTS
I guess it's moving the goalposts, since nobody with a stable mind can refute your original supposition that fun games aren't good, an idea so nonsensical and contrarian that it's charitable to even call it a subjective opinion.
Anonymous No.3823993 >>3824012
>>3823990
>fun games aren't good
You are misrepresenting what OP said.
Fun games can be good, but a game can't be called good just because it's fun.
Anonymous No.3823996 >>3824012
>>3823990
>Exploration is fun
>Everything else is not
>Somehow game is still good despite being 90% dogshit
Sure guy.
Anonymous No.3824012 >>3824307
>>3823856
>>3823846
>>3823993
>>3823996
Shameless samefagging
Anonymous No.3824307 >>3824317
>>3824012
Anonymous No.3824316
Not that I'm expecting anyone to care, but funnily enough, I would actually consider myself an expert gamer, especially in shooters. Played Quake competitively at Quakecon several times, and been banned from many hosted servers for being "too good", though the only one I remember well was World at War, which still bothers me actually cause they were exceptionally whiny about it on their forums, and maybe whatever BF that used the web app and had some private servers at one point... think it was BF4, but I forget which one. Good runs are few and far between these days cause I'm getting old and jaded, and I wouldn't say I'm anywhere near the top, but maybe somewhere between the 10-30% bracket. I never had the drive to do shit like Fatality did and practice bouncing off walls for 8 hours a day, but I would just play all day having fun, which naturally comes with its own progression. I could hold my own against the best, but probably never beat them. I was kind of a choke artist when under pressure, too, and I sweat a lot when I get nervous which just fucks up my whole game. I was never destined to be a top player, but I'm pretty fucking close and much closer than some of the pussies in this thread, and yes, I do hold that as a badge of honor no matter how sad someone thinks a hardcore gamer is.
Anonymous No.3824317
>>3824307
very congratulations on your inspect element saar, but it would been much more believable if you had left two (you)s instead of one.
Anonymous No.3824325
>>3819685
>fallout is when miss 20 times for no fucking reason at 100 skill
Anonymous No.3825124 >>3825376 >>3826091
Fallout 3 is great and anyone that says otherwise is a retard
Like look at my screenshot here, I have two human followers Jericho and Sydney and we're going on that quest to rescue Rileys Rangers. The whole thing was fun as fuck and organic too as you pick up the ranger distress signal on the steps on the national archive where Sydney is battling super mutants on behalf of Abraham Washington to get the Declaration of Independence for his museum. Simply going on this quest for Abraham Washington started a whole chain of events that led to me essentially starting my own mercenary company and keeping Sydney with me and Jericho through the Enclave attack on Project Purity and the return to Vault 101.

My point is that people that say Fallout 3 is a bad RPG are just uncreative
Anonymous No.3825170
>>3819676 (OP)
also has the best story and the most cohesive game world
Anonymous No.3825376 >>3825483 >>3825778
can we all agree Fallout 3 is better than anything that's come out this year?
>>3825124
based fun haver
Anonymous No.3825482
Fallout 3 is a jet induced fever dream, it's uncanny as fuck setting.
Anonymous No.3825483
>>3825376
>can we all agree Fallout 3 is better than anything that's come out this year?
E33 came out. But yea I like fallout 3
Anonymous No.3825778
>>3825376
DK Bananza came out this year
Anonymous No.3826022
Fallout 3 was never good for even a single moment. It was always absolutely brutally mogged by 1 & 2 in every way. Only children liked it when it came out because they were too retarded for actual CRPGs. Everyone always goes "muh exploration!" when in reality it's a copypasted subway tunnels and caves simulator. Actual exploration-focused action RPGs like Gothic or whatever absolutely shit all over it in that regard, too.
Anonymous No.3826091
>>3825124
Someone on /vrpg/ playing a game..?
Anonymous No.3826131
>>3819676 (OP)
it doesn't feel like fallout, it feels like oblivion with guns, because that's what it is: not a fallout game
Anonymous No.3826133
>>3819687
it's fine for what it is, it's just not fallout, i haven't played new vegas yet to see if it's shit, but doubt i ever will
Anonymous No.3826136
>>3819750
i played it for the first time recently and it was fine
so was skyrim on an xbox360, not sure which revision the disc was though, i mean it sucked as an elder scrolls game, but as a mindless first person hack and slash it's fine
Anonymous No.3826137
>>3820824
>I'm getting tired of people acting like Fallout 1 is this grimdark game
but it literally is? what the fuck?
Anonymous No.3826142
>>3821119
does the hooker shit even work in that game? i only ever found one and i couldn't get it to trigger
Anonymous No.3826146 >>3828149
>>3821996
>waiting for vats to regen in order to attack
does vats even work with melee weapons in that game? i never tried, not like i used it in fallout anyways due to fast hands lel
Anonymous No.3826149
>>3823370
original call of duty 1 on pc? it's both fun and good
is it balanced? hell fucking no, but that's what makes it both fun and good, fuck balance, that shit's boring as fuck, i want pick up a ppsh off a dead russian and then proceed to mow down the entire enemy team from behind their spawn and laugh my ass off
Anonymous No.3826175 >>3826182
>>3821996
>I mean Fallout 3 not only has VATS, a purely RPG way of doing combat, leveling, player skills, perks, many viable character builds, and that whole thing.
True, but it also has a 99% player-level adjusted world so there are almost no hard areas, very little sense of progression since the game is so easy, you start off OP and end up stupid OP. Some of the most popular mods for FO3 are about making the game harder.
Anonymous No.3826182
>>3826175
>Some of the most popular mods for FO3 are about making the game harder.
Which ones?

Plenty of games have those, so it's not saying much
Anonymous No.3826709
>>3821592
>F3/NV porn mods automatically make raider girls unshaven and dirty
vgh
Anonymous No.3827299 >>3827823 >>3830501
>>3819676 (OP)
>Boldly tell Google that Fallout 3 is the best RPG!
>The AI Googlebot spirals into some kind of bizarre robotic panic attack and proceeds to beg me not to kill myself in the form of an 8 paragraph redditspaced preachy rant...
Wtf why do Fallout 3 chads have an inexplicable disproportionately high recorded suicide rate compared to normies? I don't get it seeing as how we all know suicide is usually very low IQ but Fallout 3 fanboyism is actually surprisingly high IQ more often than you'd expect. I'm confused
Anonymous No.3827823 >>3828668
>>3827299
kek
Anonymous No.3828149 >>3828219
>>3826146
They're a bit wonky, since you can't target specific limbs. I assume because Bethesda didn't/couldn't make more unique animations for that. But yes VATS melee is viable gameplay-wise
Anonymous No.3828219
>>3828149
funnily enough, being able to target specific limbs is my favorite part of the surge
Anonymous No.3828668
>>3827823
>64% of Fallout 3 players have attempted suicide
How is this a laughing matter?
Anonymous No.3829424 >>3829593
>>3819676 (OP)
>It feels like Fallout and that matters.
By regressing from the state of evolution and rebuilding of society that began at least 15 years before the first game?
Anonymous No.3829593 >>3829641
>>3829424
the thing that gets me the most is that there is a city full of retards that thought building around an unexploded nuke was a good idea.
Anonymous No.3829641 >>3830531 >>3833264
>>3829593
Is it really so far-fetched?
Anonymous No.3830501
>>3827299
AI rants won't change the fact that trannies are all over NV and stay away from Fallout 3 due to its religious & traditional values
Anonymous No.3830531
>>3829641
Asbestos being what it is, there are other things used for insulation that are just as harmful and aren't required to remove. I had some in my previous home. A lot if it doesn't natter as long as you're not handling or inhaling it. Trapped in an attic you don't use isn't really an issue.
Anonymous No.3833257
>>3821987
>Well Bethesda needed to make sure they used as much of the classic Fallout iconography as possible to make it clear they weren't just abusing the brand name for a quick buck.
I don't get this logic. Bethesda did exactly this by re-introducing the already familiar aspects (factions, monsters, characters) of classic fallouts in an incredibly contrived way so they could sell the game more.
Anonymous No.3833263
>>3819676 (OP)
>It feels like Fallout
Only superficially.
Anonymous No.3833264
>>3829641
asbestos would be great stuff for the post-apocalypse when mesothelioma doesn't rank in your top 50 dangers compared to a fireproof non-decaying insulating material
Anonymous No.3833310
I'm sorry thst you were molested by your father and now you like Fallout 3, it's not your fault.
Anonymous No.3833345 >>3833363
Fallout 3 is a genuinely disgusting game to think about. It is absolutely effortlessly mogged in just about every way by 1 & 2. It's literally baby's first RPG for children on Xbox 360. It is near enough unplayable, boring, drab, has absolutely terrible writing and quests, "muh exploration" is overrated as fuck. It has always been this way it just took people not being on the fucking Bethesda hype train anymore to realize how shit it was. Even 4 and 76 are better, New Vegas is obviously better because it's the only nuFallout that bothers with continuity and lore. Consolefags were brainwashed in their youth if they managed to make it to adulthood and still think 3 is a good example of an action RPG. No amount of gigachad edits made by jeets playing it for the first time in current year because the computers they use for gift card scams can finally run 2008 video games will change that.
Anonymous No.3833363 >>3833374
>>3833345
>Even 4 and 76 are better than Fallout 3
How much psycho did you smoke today?
Anonymous No.3833374 >>3833448 >>3834334
>>3833363
Name one thing that 3 does better than 4 and 76. And it can't be something that all three games do poorly compared to other games.
Anonymous No.3833448 >>3833480
>>3833374
Swamp location.
Chinese involvement.
Ayylien joke.
BoS politics and infighting.
Anonymous No.3833480
>>3833448
None of this is correct.
Anonymous No.3833825 >>3834268
Atmosphere, exploration, random encounters, & music to a slight degree. NV is better in all the other metrics, 4 in graphics & gunplay, 76 beats them all out as a profit making scam project.
Anonymous No.3833842
>>3821592
>Also, F3/NV raider girls make me act up.
"Hahahaha, you wanna be my new boyfriend!?"
Anonymous No.3833916
>>3819676 (OP)
BASED
Anonymous No.3834268
>>3833825
>Atmosphere
Meh. It's green fog and crumbling metro tunnels. "Muh atmosphere" is only second to
>exploration
"Muh explorashun", it's crumbling metro tunnels and copypasted office buildings, it's the equivalent to Oblivion's sewers and caves all having extremely uninteresting layouts. It's really not that good. 4 has far, far better dungeons and level design.
>random encounters
Maybe? Why wouldn't you say 4's are better?
>music to a slight degree.
New Vegas wins just by virtue of using Mark Morgan's soundtrack in many places. Inon Zur sucks ass.

For people who have actually played Fallout 76 and don't just shit on it for its horrible launch, they'll know that the game beats 3 and 4 in exploration and atmosphere. It has actually varied biomes and way more enemy variety.

Fallout 3 is only liked by nostalgiafags who played it as their first RPG when they were 12 on their Xbox 360. That's it. When the remaster comes out people will play it for 3 hours and get bored when they realize how fucking boring and shitty it is.
Anonymous No.3834334 >>3834353
>>3833374
>Non-voiced protag
>Stats
>waifus
Anonymous No.3834353
>>3834334
76 beats 3 on all three of those points, unironically
Anonymous No.3834367
>>3819676 (OP)
Based