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Anonymous No.3830120 >>3830130 >>3830202 >>3830327 >>3831275 >>3839103 >>3839127 >>3840477
>flanderizes every character until they become a caricature of themselves

Is this what people want? Streamer reaction bait?
Anonymous No.3830130 >>3830144 >>3830192
>>3830120 (OP)
>Is this what people want?

According to its massive sales, yes.
Anonymous No.3830134 >>3830147 >>3830299 >>3838732 >>3839166
I don't know how people can stomach the remake games, the dialogue is lower than kingdom hearts level.
The only ff7 games that matter are the original and debatably crisis core, everything else has only made the story worse.
Anonymous No.3830144 >>3830210
>>3830130
>massive sales
It barely made even.
Anonymous No.3830147 >>3830620 >>3839100
>>3830134
Not having the story acted out by deformed early 3D dolls probably helps. I mean their human features are barely visible, and dialogue delivered by poorly translated text boxes.

I love it regardless, but I can see with my own eyes how someone might prefer better presentation.
Anonymous No.3830163 >>3830174
I grew up loving the original FF7, and I completely reject every single element of the "extended universe" and these demakes. Shrimple as.
Anonymous No.3830174 >>3830178
>>3830163
What a brave and unique stance.
Anonymous No.3830178
>>3830174
Observe:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8cQtsQSqEQ
Anonymous No.3830192
>>3830130
>According to its massive sales
Citation needed lol.
Anonymous No.3830202 >>3830237
>>3830120 (OP)
They were always a cartoonish caricature, FF7's cast are mostly outlandish goofballs, it just wasn't as obvious when it was portrayed by a low-poly chibi's rudimentary gestures accompanied by a text box vs a fully voiced 3D character with mocapped state of the art facial animations.
Anonymous No.3830210 >>3830216 >>3830233 >>3830289
>>3830144
That's a budget issue. Still outsells anything not called Pokemon.
Anonymous No.3830216 >>3830218
>>3830210
Wasn't it a PS4 exclusive
Anonymous No.3830218
>>3830216
PS5
Anonymous No.3830233
>>3830210
Or maybe Square needs to learn that not every project requires 700.000.000 dollar budgets with +300 people working on it.
Anonymous No.3830237 >>3830242
>>3830202
It got a lot worse from game 1 to 2. Despite all its flaws, I really liked the characterization of Remake, but in Rebirth I couldn't take Barrett seriously anymore. They turned him into comedic relief.
Anonymous No.3830240 >>3830241 >>3830245 >>3830252 >>3830267
OG Tifa: supportive waifu with martial art skills

Remake Tifa: insecure melancholic crybaby
Anonymous No.3830241
>>3830240
>OG Tifa: supportive waifu with martial art skills
waifus were never a thing in FF
>Remake Tifa: insecure melancholic crybaby
much, much worse than that.
Anonymous No.3830242 >>3830263
>>3830237
>They turned him into comedic relief.
That's my impression of Barret in the original, for the most part. The retarded character model doesn't help lol
Anonymous No.3830245 >>3830261
>>3830240
Tifa's insecurity is a big part of her character in the og though
Anonymous No.3830252
>>3830240
Is the dialogue and scenes different or something?
Anonymous No.3830261 >>3830332
>>3830245
She was demure for sure but i don't recall her dialog being constantly worried and sad about everything. Once I noticed it it pissed me fuck off.
Like once you notice characters cannot leave any statement of others uncommented with an anime "huh?" or "ah...?".
Anonymous No.3830263
>>3830242
Barret was the Worf of FF7: Big, strong warrior who could crush you with his bare hands but for gameplay and story reasons he was never allowed to have his moment of glory or even show off his potential. It's all posturing. And this is magnified to absurd levels in Rebirth.
Anonymous No.3830267 >>3830280
>>3830240
OG Aeris: Manic pixie dream girl with a cheerful attitude

Remake Aerith: girlboss SJW from california
Anonymous No.3830274 >>3830276
Reminder that Flower Girl=Prostitute in Asian cultures.
Anonymous No.3830276 >>3830293 >>3838922
>>3830274
Reminder Tifa worked as a prostitute in the Honey Bee Inn.
Anonymous No.3830280 >>3840478
>>3830267
OG Cloud: cool teenage boy power fantasy

Remake Cloud: pussy-whipped pushover
Anonymous No.3830289 >>3830758
>>3830210
>most of the game engine and game mechanic development done in Remake
>only needed to add more assets for game 2

What the fuck cost them so much?
Anonymous No.3830293 >>3830298
>>3830276
Tifa isn't my waifu. :)
Anonymous No.3830298 >>3830301 >>3830314
>>3830293
Nothing wrong with hotwives. Just saying.
Anonymous No.3830299
>>3830134
All the terrible crisis core era of garbage was so bad it was like the star wars prequels. It set up the first remake to look better than it was.
Anonymous No.3830301
>>3830298
For you. I find them boring.
Anonymous No.3830314
>>3830298
>hotwives
Isn't that when you share your wife with other men? What do you gain from that?
Anonymous No.3830327 >>3830333 >>3830512 >>3830617
>>3830120 (OP)
Everyone in this thread seems white and self insertionist. Also you are also playing dubbed, wtf is that shit.

I had mixed feelings about the original FF7, but I found the remakes incredible.
A more fleshed out world and getting to empathize with the plight
of the protagonists more so than the original. The sectors looked a teensy bit run down in the original, while in the remake sector seven was abject fucking poverty. We didn't even get to know the avalanche crew long enough empathize with their deaths in the initial game, but we did in the remake.

We get to know the lay off the land, this game's world seems more lived in and believable than the original.
Remake, and rebirth are far superior to the original game.

Honestly I hope more titles from the 4th and 5th generation of games get complete Redos like this.
Anonymous No.3830332 >>3830335
>>3830261
>i don't recall her dialog being constantly worried and sad about everything
The og is light on dialogue so one can almost project anything they want onto characters. Even ignoring what's lost in translation.

At the very least, it's not like the interpretation came out of nowhere. She lost her mom, abandoned by friends, clings onto cloud, breaks down without him, is jealous.

But I don't necessarily like the anime acting either, but to me that's less about the character itself, and more about being anime.
Anonymous No.3830333 >>3830507
>>3830327
>Everyone in this thread seems white
Wow, that's really kind of you. Thanks!
Anonymous No.3830335
>>3830332
Forgot to mention to whole uncertainty about Cloud's/their past and whether to tell him. Lockheart.
Anonymous No.3830507 >>3830513
>>3830333
wasted trips being a fat white girl in a diaper isn't a compliment.
Anonymous No.3830512
>>3830327
>Everyone in this thread seems white
>I had mixed feelings about the original FF7, but I found the remakes incredible
Stopped reading here
Anonymous No.3830513
>>3830507
What? You are going from a compliment to attempted ABDL ERP? No thank you, sir, not interested.
Anonymous No.3830617 >>3830649
>>3830327
>insufferable weeaboo

Post disregarded.
Anonymous No.3830620
>>3830147
>Not having the story acted out by deformed early 3D dolls probably helps
there is literally more emotion in this moment than there is in anything in the remakes THOUGH.
https://youtu.be/jrPP9HzmPPQ?feature=shared&t=99
red howling in sadness, yuffie trying to hold it together and failing before sobbing into cloud's chest, it's so much more powerful than any stupid voice acted melodramatic monologue could ever give, and it's why modern rpgs bomb fucking hard compared to old ones.
meanwhile, the fucking remake gives us dogshit like picrel.
Anonymous No.3830649 >>3830655 >>3830741
>>3830617
I'm not white, I am not going to conform to your white dullbrown standards nor am I going to play dubbed shit.
Anonymous No.3830655
>>3830649
>thinks only whites can be weebs
lmao
Anonymous No.3830656
hey ff-schizo, we need your help, diaperfag is getting uppity.
Anonymous No.3830741
>>3830649
>I'm not white
Stopped reading here
Anonymous No.3830758 >>3831276
>>3830289
They don't actually reuse that many assets from the first game. Every main character model was redone completely. Pointless spending.
Anonymous No.3831275 >>3834480 >>3835057 >>3835099 >>3835235 >>3836991 >>3839101
>>3830120 (OP)
>flenderized
You dont know what flanderized means, retard. FF7 characters in ff7 remake were given depth, they are not just one note character.
Tifa now HAS a presence outside of cloud. Barret is not always angry. Cloud and Aerith are more or less the same. Red XIII, like tifa, now HAS presence.
Anonymous No.3831276
>>3830758
>They don't actually reuse that many assets from the first game. Every main character model was redone completely.
They did move to a new gen of consoles
Anonymous No.3834480
>>3831275
This!!!!! Cait Sith was a nothing burger before the incident.

Also it's funny seeing Cloud's stoicism broken.
Anonymous No.3835057
>>3831275
>Tifa now HAS a presence outside of cloud
No she doesn't, except now she's a whiny bitch but I wouldn't call that depth.
Anonymous No.3835099
>>3831275
me when i haven't played ff7
Anonymous No.3835235
>>3831275
>FF7 characters in ff7 remake were given depth
Stopped reading here
Anonymous No.3836991
>>3831275
Extended crossdressing scenes that blatantly pander to the LGBTQP+ crowd is not depth.
Anonymous No.3836997 >>3837613
They shrank Tifa’s tits, so the game objectively has less depth now.
Anonymous No.3837613
>>3836997
They also nullified aerith's ass. I mean she was always petite but c'mon, that was uncalled for.
Anonymous No.3838732 >>3838744
>>3830134
Mexicans and people who think things like the new Aerith cutscene are epic
Anonymous No.3838744 >>3838900 >>3838910
>>3838732
>Aerith
I will continue to use “Aeris” just like I will continue to use “Kiev”
Anonymous No.3838900
>>3838744
>Kiev
How else would you be spelling it?
Anonymous No.3838910 >>3839102 >>3839478
>>3838744
using "aerith" is a fucking self report
i ignore anyone who calls her that
Anonymous No.3838922 >>3839477 >>3839479 >>3839480
>>3830276
Tifa never actually started work. She had to "interview" with Don Corneo first, which is very explicitly mentioned. You intervene at this point. Stop speed-reading.
Anonymous No.3839065 >>3839094 >>3839126
It's the way that have to draw out and call attention to everything so hard. Original has Red walking funny in a soldiers uniform. It's amusing but just off to the side. Remake? REMEMBER THAT ONE TIME! OMG SO FUNNEH WE NEED TO DO MICHAEL JACKSON DANCE! DID YOU SEE IT!! I don't want to pretend like the original was subtle but there was this sense that it didn't feel like it needed to shout.
Anonymous No.3839094 >>3839123 >>3839125
>>3839065
>Remake? REMEMBER THAT ONE TIME! OMG SO FUNNEH WE NEED TO DO MICHAEL JACKSON DANCE! DID YOU SEE IT!!
The game doesnt do this. It is set up before, it doesnt come out of nowhere, red xiii needs to pass as a human to let him play cards and it properly presents it. Gives red xiii a more funny side because hes not necessarily "joking", but they add some genuine funny stuff like the kid crying and the mom being like "it cant hurt you"
The original tries to pretend red xiii passes lmao its funny but it doesnt even make much sense

Then again, you faggots complain about anything that wasnt in the origianl, and when it is, you complain it is "way too much" or some shit.
Anonymous No.3839100
>>3830147
>Not having the story acted out by deformed early 3D dolls probably helps.
Nope. Just wrong. The FF7 models are highly expressive and effective actors despite the limitations. Even brain-fried zoomers appreciate the original FF7 if they ever give it a chance.
Anonymous No.3839101 >>3839130
>>3831275
>ff7 remake were given depth
cringe fan fiction verbosity is not depth
Anonymous No.3839102 >>3839108 >>3839166
>>3838910
I assume everyone who calls her Aerith sucks dicks, loves reddit humor and doesn't understand language.
Anonymous No.3839103
>>3830120 (OP)

That´s not news anon.
Anonymous No.3839108
>>3839102
It used to be a contemporaneous weeb thing in the 90s, “um akshually if you look at the origin kanji”. Nowadays id just assume it’s a zoomer that only played the “remakes” and not the original game.
Anonymous No.3839123 >>3839621
>>3839094
>The game doesnt do this.
Picrel scene in the remake is a case study in over-the-top cringe and cliche melodrama. It's terrible.

In the original, this is a shocking turning-point in the story. The party follows the trail of blood to the office of the heretofore primary antagonist of the story, only to find him dead with a huge Sephiroth Katana sticking out of his back. All achieved with a single still image and suspenseful setup.

The remake has this long and painfully generic scene where Barrett rants at Shinra and Shinra retorts an evil villain spiel ("I take what I want!"). This shit goes on roughly forever and builds to the dramatic moment when Shinra is about to shoot Barrett and suddenly Masamune pops through his chest. Turns out Sephiroth was hiding outside the camera angle so nobody (including Barrett) saw him appear. Then Sephiroth stabs Barrett, Dementors show up and then Sephiroth does some ridiculous poses and his famous slow walk as an absurd spectacle of anime graphical nonsense swirls around him.
Anonymous No.3839125
>>3839094
>It is set up before, it doesnt come out of nowhere,

I didn't say it was either you illiterate retard. I said it was overly attention grabbing and turned a 1 second off to the side joke into a whole dedicated scene. Good fucking, with reading comprehension like this no wonder you'd defend the remake.
Anonymous No.3839126
>>3839065
FF7 only exists in the way it does thanks to the limitations of the 90's. AC already made that abundantly clear.
Anonymous No.3839127
>>3830120 (OP)
NOOOOOOOOOOO THEY WERE ALWAYS LIKE THIS IN THE ORIGINAL

ngl I actually find it hilarious the FF community with the most gaslighting is FF7. like obviously it's this one.
Anonymous No.3839130 >>3839475 >>3839623
>>3839101
>verbosity is not depth

I feel like this is something that's become a huge problem in the past few decades. At some point people got the idea in their heads that for a character to be complex or interesting you have to have them constantly talking and filling you in on every superfluous detail when the truth was the older games often conveyed more information and personality with a simple gesture at the right time. The adage of less being more always rang true.
Anonymous No.3839166 >>3839180 >>3839217 >>3839347 >>3839483
>>3830134
Crisis Core was dumb, too.

>>3839102
>is tied to the Planet
>job class is more or less Geomancer
>name is supposed to be a corruption of the word Earth
>"B-but my poorly translated dub!"
Anonymous No.3839180
>>3839166
The more they try to expand FF7 the more retarded it gets. I don't know if it's just Nomrua's eternal 14 year old but fucking hell. It's not like the original was especially complicated. Dude chases other dude. There's some pseudo religious fuckery with the life stream but that's not a hard swallow and Cloud thinks he's Zack is as weird as it gets. When Sephiroth goes all ONE WINGED ANGEL I just as soon took as the same kind of shit that happens with all JRPG bosses looking weird.
Anonymous No.3839217
>>3839166
>>job class is more or less Geomancer
Stopped reading here.
Anonymous No.3839347
>>3839166
>there exists a "correct" translation of an arbitrary proper name
Just stop digging.
Anonymous No.3839475
>>3839130
Thank you for putting into words what I've been feeling for years. Sometimes a single sketch of character art can communicate a whole backstory in our heads, our brains are adept at filling out the blanks.
Anonymous No.3839477
>>3838922
>my waifu totally isn't a w-whore please stop reminding people!!!
Anonymous No.3839478 >>3839485
>>3838910
Calling Aeris "Aerith" is like people who Twitter "X".
Anonymous No.3839479
>>3838922
He was talking abou the Hondy Bee Inn material from an alpha version of FF7.
Way to out yourself as a fake fan.
Anonymous No.3839480 >>3839601
>>3838922
He was talking abou the Honey Bee Inn scene from an alpha version of FF7.
Way to out yourself as a fake fan.
Anonymous No.3839483
>>3839166
me when im a zoomer
shut up compilation cum guzzler
Anonymous No.3839485
>>3839478
actually great analogy
Anonymous No.3839601
>>3839480
>He was talking abou the Honey Bee Inn scene from an alpha version of FF7.
Localized entirely within your imagination?
May we see it?
Anonymous No.3839621 >>3839680
>>3839123
>In the original, this is a shocking turning-point in the story. The party follows the trail of blood to the office of the heretofore primary antagonist of the story, only to find him dead with a huge Sephiroth Katana sticking out of his back. All achieved with a single still image and suspenseful setup.
Why was the katana left behind?
Why was palmer hiding behind the pillar like if it was some sort of cartoon?
Where did sephiroth go to begin with?

>The remake has this long and painfully generic scene where Barrett rants at Shinra and Shinra retorts an evil villain spiel
It was a point explored in the entire game you retard, the speech wasnt just "some evil villain speech", it was literally telling the point that Shinra being the leader and stuff is just because people let them and Shinra just collects. It also establishes that Barret just wants to be a hero and doesnt have a real backup plan to support people's needs. Whos the one that gonna power up the people? Barret? with what?

Like, did all of this went over your head or something?
Anonymous No.3839623 >>3839656 >>3839696
>>3839130
Thats a really wrong conclusion. Depth is given by establishing it, not just coming up with it with headcanon, as you are doing right now.
The reality is that older games conveyed more information JUST because they say everything. Theres no camera angles, theres no voice acting, tone changes, or body language. Its all a text that explains what the characters are feeling in the most direct way.
Modern games in general take more time because the text isnt doing all the job. People dont just say what they feel most of the time, its all hidden behind subtext and body language.

Example: Aerith telling Cloud the flowers have a message.
In the remake the camera shows you Aerith tensing up, her scared face, the voice tone, and the dialogue isnt direct.
If this was in the original, it would be a single text that says "The flowers/planet have given me a mission, but i cant tell you right now".
Anonymous No.3839656 >>3839657
>>3839623
>Thats a really wrong conclusion. Depth is given by establishing it, not just coming up with it with headcanon, as you are doing right now.

Well here's the thing, I don't disagree with you. Depth does need to come from actual depth but my point, if I failed to convey it, was that older games, for a variety of reasons, could say less so they had to be more economic and focus on WHAT to say and HOW to say it. You can look at something like the Trails series and characters will talk up and down, repeat stuff till their blue in the face, give you loads of superfluous information about the cast and the world but none of it really matters. It just results in a more bloated, overly verbose narrative that takes ten paragraphs to relay enough information to fill two. Though I'll admit that's also an extreme example.
Anonymous No.3839657
>>3839656
>You can look at something like the Trails series and characters will talk up and down
Yeah, the trails series, the persona series and in reality a lot of JRPGs have a LOT of filler dialogue, as if they take turns to say something about whats happening. However i dont get why is this being brought in remake/rebirth, since the dialogue doesnt behave like this.
Anonymous No.3839666
you guys gotta remember that modern audiences prefer exposition dumping/"tell don't show." the more explicit something is the better. also there has to be constant spectacle dopamine hits.
Anonymous No.3839680 >>3840086
>>3839621
>Why was palmer hiding behind the pillar
Palmer is a coward and heard someone coming. Why wouldn't he hide?
>Where did sephiroth go to begin with?
This is essentially the main theme of the whole next chapter of the story. "Where did he go?" "Was it really Sephiroth?" Are exactly the questions this scene is supposed to raise. Note that by this point in the original story, Sephiroth has not even been fully introduced.
>Like, did all of this went over your head or something?
It's tediously laying out mundane, implicit shit that shouldn't need to be verbalized at all. Explaining is not the same as "establishing." Barret's character is established by his actions throughout the story.

I will grant that it's not an apples/apples comparison, because the original is just the climax of Act I, while the remake has this near the end of the game. But the point remains that the scene is full of padding and cringe.
Anonymous No.3839696 >>3839699
>>3839623
>Modern games in general take more time because the text isnt doing all the job. People dont just say what they feel most of the time, its all hidden behind subtext and body language.
First of all, this is silly and ignores the entire reason why FF7 has those famous blocky character models in the first place. They were designed specifically to be expressive. Characters shrug, scratch their heads, laugh, shake their fists in anger, clutch their head in pain.. the list goes on and on. Their heads, arms, hands and legs do all the work. Square knew what they were doing.

Modern games employ much more realistic models but that's also why modern games tend to suck so much more. They rely on movie-style dialog, acting, and direction, but do not have the top-quality writers, actors and directors. FF7r has some of the best 3D models and animators I've ever seen and they're still not out of the uncanny valley yet. Instead of tastefully trying to minimize how much nauseating """acting""" from 3D models the player is forced to endure, Zoomers apparently love this garbage and so games are just crammed full of it.
Anonymous No.3839699 >>3839755
>>3839696
>why FF7 has those famous blocky character models in the first place
Callback to the chibi sprites of NES/SNES games. That’s why the field map and battle map models had different proportions.
Anonymous No.3839755 >>3839791
>>3839699
>Callback
It's not a "Callback." The blocky FF7 sprites don't actually look anything like SNES-style chibi sprites. If anything, by conservative Japanese standards, it was ambitious for Square to even use 3D models at all in 1997. Other RPGs at the time still used 2D sprites. Wild Arms had 3D models for the battle system only. Breath of Fire III, Vandal Hearts, Final Fantasy Tactics, and Xenogears all used 2D sprites.

FF7 sprites are designed with the following priorties:
- Need to render many models on screen simultaneously, in a quasi-3D space where the models could be near or distant.
- This means low polygon counts.
- Model animations must by comprehensible and expressive.
- The models, Cloud especially, should pop out and be easily visible to the player.

To make animations comprehensible at low polygon resolution, hands and feet were made oversized. To make Cloud pop out more he was given his famous blonde, spiky hair. The asymmetric spikes of his hair even helped indicate Cloud's orientation to the player. Note that while FF8 had realistic proportions, FF9 went back to gigantic hands on everyone. The difference is that in FF9, they oriented the entire art style of the game around those warped proportions.
Anonymous No.3839791 >>3839797
>>3839755
>To make Cloud pop out more he was given his famous blonde, spiky hair.
This might be why I don't really like the look of the remakes in general. I'm repeating myself a lot but it's too anime to be realistic and too realistic to be anime. Cloud just comes out looking kind of strange. And I can't take the divide between him being serious all the time yet forced to do stupid shit. This pill swallowed fine when they looked like lego but even as far back as Advent Children it just looked off.
Anonymous No.3839797 >>3839862
>>3839791
I don’t hate necessarily dislike Remake’s character design but I did always think it was unfortunate that AC basically redefined the visual style of FF7 in its entirety moving forward. It had a different vibe to it since.
Anonymous No.3839862
>>3839797
Kingdom Hearts didn't help matters either. In the actual game Cloud really is a very different character to how he would later be interpreted. He's not the cool stoic badass. He's a goober who gets carsick pretending to be the stoic badass.
Anonymous No.3840086
>>3839680
>It's tediously laying out mundane, implicit shit that shouldn't need to be verbalized at all. Explaining is not the same as "establishing." Barret's character is established by his actions throughout the story.
But it isnt explained directly, you can see it through barret actions. Hes obsessed with the cameras, to make Avalanche look good and be a hero. Thats the point President shinra tries to make "why say that avalanche isnt tied to Wutai, you could have told me to shut the reactors off".
Anonymous No.3840477 >>3840563 >>3840568 >>3840582
>>3830120 (OP)
I know this thread is talking about the remakes, but how do anons feel about the earlier entries to the "anthology"? Ive been playing through them for shits and giggles.
>Advent Children
Its pretty but yeah the story is pretty shit. Everything people say about it building up the Cloud/Sephiroth dynamic in a weirdly mythological way and upped cloud's emo-ness was totally right. Still fun to watch as a spectacle.
>Dirge of Cerberus
Its honestly hilarious how hard this game is trying to be devil may cry and failing. I dont mind the backstory bits in the game, and the returning FF7 cast honestly feel closer to themselves than they did in AC, but man deepground fucking suck.
>Crisis Core
playing this now, about halfway through. Zack feels on brand with the little we have seen of him, but holy shit genesis and angeal are so melodramatic and gay it makes Organization XII look subtle. I cringe whenever theyre on screen
>Before Crisis
Im having enough fun that Im gonna put the shitty rpgmaker demake of this game on my vita and play it too. Very curious to eventually see how this 2000s stuff feels against the remakes. Thank you for coming to my blogpost.
Anonymous No.3840478
>>3830280
>OG Cloud: cool teenage boy power fantasy
did you even play the game?
Anonymous No.3840483
for me its the walk n talk and moviegame qualities. the appeal of older JRPGs is the interface. i want a system that I am in control of at all times. I don't want to sit through cutscenes & dialogue with the controller jammed up my ass
Anonymous No.3840563
>>3840477
>checked
The only worthwhile FF7-adjacent piece of media is the PSX original.
Anonymous No.3840568 >>3840573
>>3840477
I have never interacted with the compilation directly lol
>Advent Children
I watched it as a kid, didnt like it that much and i dont remember anything about it other than "wow, cloud and sephiroth again". I havent watched it again and i dont want to, but i like the idea of geostigma, Cloud guilt (even if made him regress its character a little) and the dark/depressing tone of the movie. Rufus surviving was bad though, i dont know why. The turks are too buddy/buddy with avalanche and im sure there are more problems with the movie writing or presentation that i cant address because i havent watched it again, but people that watched it says its meh and i believe them.
>Dirge of Cerberus
I havent played it. I like Vincent as a whole and i like the idea of a videogame as him, but the tsviets feel so out of nowhere, why dont just make him new villains instead of "super soldiers that were always there in the OG but you never knew". I remember reading something about omega weapon / another weapon that are basically "the planet way to be reborn somewhere else " (like, omega weapon kills everyone, and the other weapon collects the lifestream and fucks off to another planet), i dont know that sounds like the coolest shit ever but maybe not for FF7.
>Crisis Core
I like the idea of a "zack game" to fill the gaps of what happened in the past and to expand Sephiroth character a little, but again, it tries to mess with the original game way too much. I feel like thats the problem with the compilation in general
>Before Crisis
Never played it, dont know much about it. But ive seen people like this one more than the others, im curious now, hopefully one day we get a remake sort-of.
Anonymous No.3840573
>>3840568
>it tries to mess with the original game way too much. I feel like thats the problem with the compilation in general
To expand with this, i feel like they try too much to take whats something in the original and expand it WAY too much that it messes with what the OG introduced.

Example: the tsievts. I havent played DoC but i do know that Hojo supposedely still lives in a computer and he inserts himself into Weiss, so basically Weiss is hojo. And that deepground was hojo doing and everything was him.
How about this, instead? hojo just died, but there was this other scientist that tried to continue Hojo doing through the tsivets. Like, deepground was Hojo's idea but he rejected it because too unstable, but this other scientist took his work and continued his legacy. New villains inspired by past works its more natural. Rewrite the script to be not 2 or 3 years after the og but make it...5 years or so, a normal timespan for the tsviets to be born. Make it more like vincent has a chance to finally stop what was done to him/the planet for not being able to stop hojo when he could.
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AC has some nice fight sequences but doesn’t portray the characters particularly well, also began the shitty “emo Cloud” era. DoC just sucks as a game. CC is decent and Zack is likeable enough, but the game also adds some unneeded nonsense. BC I never played.