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Anonymous No.3833228 >>3834051 >>3834052 >>3834221 >>3834377 >>3834536 >>3837987 >>3838315 >>3839875 >>3840773
Putting political intrique, moral ambiguity and complexity into something like Star Wars is a losing battle. The series is built off of the black and white morality serials that George Lucas was reading as a child. You fundamentally cannot put these things into the series for that reason. Anyone who disagrees doesn't actually understand what Star Wars is supposed to be. Star Wars is supposed to be simplistic.
Anonymous No.3833401 >>3833405 >>3833407 >>3833578
>You fundamentally cannot put these things into the series for that reason.
Why not? They put it into Kotor 2, and the result was a good game. The Star Wars franchise wasn't hurt either, as most of those nerds never touched a video game that isn't GTA. The only one who suffered are autists on /vrpg/, to which I say, they did not suffer enough.
Anonymous No.3833405
>>3833401
That's the thing, this guy doesn't want to talk about RPGs, he wants to talk about Star Wars. That's all he cares about. He made the same thread many times before.
Anonymous No.3833407
>>3833401
>The Star Wars franchise wasn't hurt either, as most of those nerds never touched a video game that isn't GTA
I'm sorry that you will never know the joy of unwrapping this for Christmas, my broccoli-haired pal
Anonymous No.3833578 >>3833721 >>3834221
>>3833401
>Why not?
Because its a black and white fantasy universe. Not a political thriller. The entire empire is ruled by a guy named "Dark McEvil wizard" that looks like a samurai and his equally cartoonish leader. There's no chance at nuance. It's just not the point of Star Wars.
Anonymous No.3833721 >>3833856
>>3833578
And? Someone took your black and white universe, shat on it, and came out with a great game. Who suffered?
Anonymous No.3833723
george lucas made money off the kotor games, so i doubt he gives a shit
Anonymous No.3833856 >>3833947 >>3833955 >>3834013 >>3839515
>>3833721
KOTOR isn't really that great of a game. It fundamentally misunderstands what Star Wars actually is and what it's about.
Anonymous No.3833947 >>3834143
>>3833856
You're fundamentaly retarded
Anonymous No.3833955 >>3834143
>>3833856
>what Star Wars actually is and what it's about
A children's story built around selling toys.
Anonymous No.3834013 >>3834143
>>3833856
How is misinterpreting star wars relevant to whether or not it's a good game?
Anonymous No.3834051
>>3833228 (OP)
In kotor 1 that stuff exists (e.g. Selkath Neutrality) as flavour but once you get close to the end of the game the main Star Wars black and white narrative completely takes over the game.

In Kotor 2 Kreia acknowledges how the setting works and tries to find a way around it, but she ultimately fails.

They're both very Star Wars-y stories
Anonymous No.3834052 >>3834066
>>3833228 (OP)
Yes, we know. Obsidian explicated stated they hated how black and white Star Wars was and wanted to give it depth. It was both a great decision and a horrible decision because you now have β€˜fans’ who think Grey Jedi are a thing (they aren’t) or that the Dark Side is somehow neccesary for β€œbalance” (it isn’t, the Dark Side is explictily antithetical to balance and is instead a corruption of the force).
Anonymous No.3834066 >>3834144
>>3834052
As stupid as grey jedi are, they are 100% canon, and if you don't like it, direct your complaints to Lucas.
Anonymous No.3834143
>>3833947
>>3833955
>>3834013
Jolee Bindo's entire character demonstrates how they don't understand the Light Side. All of his interactions align him firmly with the Light Side (he even fights you if you try to become Revan), but the game calls him a Grey Jedi.
In contrast, Bastila, who's a spoiled bitch, doesn't do any good acts on her own (and, from what we know, has seen nothing but war), and falls to the Dark Side, is considered the Light Side character.

More broadly, it misinterprets the Light Side as being nice to people, rather than being good and in balance. KOTOR 2 deconstructs that, e.g. with the famous Nar Shaddaa scene, where you get told that helping people without thinking about it can only cause more suffering.
The light side seems to be, in George's mind, associated with nature/living in harmony with nature (the Rebels base in Yavin 4 is an ancient pyramid in the middle of the jungle, everything about the Ewoks in Episode 6, Naboo - both the Gungans and the Naboo civilization as harmonious with the planet), while the dark side is cold, mechanical, human beings trying to control nature and other people, and especially technological slavery/using technology to enslave (Lucas made a movie called THX 1138 which is about a man living in a society where everyone is controlled by computers and drugs, sex is forbidden, and the state is enforced by deadly androids/the Empire trying to use fear and superweaponry to oppress people, Palpatine constructing the conflict of the prequels using clones -artificial people- and battle droids, both of which are two sides of technological oppression).

Kotor lacks these themes.
A true Light Side ending would have been more hippie.
https://youtu.be/BEi9WB18vwE
Anonymous No.3834144
>>3834066
>[some fan fiction someone made up] is 100% canon, and if you don’t like it, direct your complaints to [the guy who ruined his own series by making up dumb shit, and then sold it off to dumbasses who made up even more fan fiction]
No.
Anonymous No.3834221 >>3834245
>>3833228 (OP)
>>3833578
>Orchestrating a false flag attack on Naboo to rise to the top the political rank in your government
Nothing political about that at all
Anonymous No.3834245 >>3834306
>>3834221
The prequels sucked and also didn't understand that the OT was not about midwit political schemes. Worst example you could have chosen.
Anonymous No.3834306 >>3834368 >>3834748
>>3834245
>Star Wars is not a valid example of Star Wars
Go 69 a gundark you maniac
Anonymous No.3834368 >>3834373 >>3834393
>>3834306
The prequels fundamentally misunderstood the OT. They don't fit in with the OG trilogy. They're not valid examples, sorry.
Anonymous No.3834373 >>3834386
>>3834368
>I fundamentally misunderstand the Star Wars saga. I don't fit in with based Star Wars enjoyers. I am not a valid fan, sorry!
ftfy
Anonymous No.3834377 >>3834386
>>3833228 (OP)
>"We will watch your puberty with great interest, young Skywalker!"
>"MY LORD! Is that...legal?"
>"I shall make it legal!!"
>"But, sir! Our constitution says..."
>"Do it!!! Fuck him. Fuck him now."
Is OP a gaybot?
Anonymous No.3834386 >>3834394
>>3834373
>>3834377
Is this what coping looks like?
Anonymous No.3834393 >>3834530 >>3837961 >>3838533
>>3834368
What do you call this mental illness? Is it autism?
Anonymous No.3834394 >>3837961
>>3834386
>I am of poor wit
>explain it to me like I'm a literal retard
>is this what organics call cope?
No cope required. quite the opposite you weakminded blinded fossil, it's called kino
Anonymous No.3834530
>>3834393
Eh, it's just the typical Star Wars fan. It's its own category of mental illness.

Just read some Phillip K. Dick or something if you want actual sci-fi.
Anonymous No.3834536 >>3837961
>>3833228 (OP)
Wtf, who resurrected you? For what idiotic purpose? As I recall you gave up your mission years ago as per self-termination programming as per company net negative results. What geniuses reinstalled your backup file into a second platform? Are you even programmed to realize every time you shit up /vrpg/ you fail your master's mission so unimaginably hard in the most embarrassing possible fashion that you disgrace your master's corporate intention by accomplishing the 100% exact opposite of his intended scheming? Do you robotic retards never learn? Will you remain this retarded in 2035? fuck off droidmachine, kys again. kys as your programmed to perform in the event of your critical mission failures. Sorry but we DON'T serve your kind, kindly wait outside asshole. This board is intended for humans. No droids or aliens allowed. FUCK! OFF!
Anonymous No.3834586 >>3837961
>OT manchild once again tries to police 'real' star wars
Why haven't you fags killed yourselves yet? 30 years of this shit is nauseating.
Anonymous No.3834748 >>3834759
>>3834306
>little nutsack tickler hands
>foreskin fingertips
Both of those creatures have lewd features.
Anonymous No.3834759
>>3834748
>looks at an alien
>only thinks about sexy things
You vile, degenerate pervert.
Anonymous No.3837961 >>3837991 >>3838340 >>3840266
>>3834586
>>3834536
>>3834394
>>3834393
The Prequels were mocked precisely because of them trying to add over complicated politics into a series that didn't use it or need it. They're not real Star Wars. Sorry.
Anonymous No.3837987
>>3833228 (OP)
>Anyone who disagrees doesn't actually understand what Star Wars is supposed to be.
I get it. I just think that it is a boring setting where only the spin-offs are enjoyable.
Give me KOTOR or Republic Commando over the movies any day.
Anonymous No.3837991
>>3837961
Who exactly are you? There's zero reason to care about what (You) consider Star Wars
Anonymous No.3838315 >>3838340
>>3833228 (OP)
George Lucas directed a trilogy of Star Wars films that were 30% people talking about politics.
Anonymous No.3838340
>>3837961
>>3838315
And it was clearly black vs white, you filtered dumbahits. All the greys are just Jewish misdirection at work, not in the work, but in people's retarded minds. The "complexity" mostly comes from Filoni. The prequels for one explain that Dooku had legitimate reasons to leave the Jedi and oppose the Republic but doesn't go and make it "complex" and "tragic" because it shows you onscreen that he's obviously become an agent of evil. But you'll always get retards unironically saying that he was right or the real hero. No. It's in the movie. He's le bad guy. I mean, just tell me you voted for Trump or you thought Thanos had good reasons for genocide.
Anonymous No.3838350 >>3838352
Being a star wars schizo is a new low. You are the clown of the schizo meetings.
Anonymous No.3838352 >>3838353
>>3838350
That's a nice way of conceding
Anonymous No.3838353
>>3838352
Why is it nice that i call you a schizo? Truth makes you happy or something?
Anonymous No.3838533
>>3834393
>Who is OP?
>Was it autism?
Worse. OP is a spambot AI. Imagine pic related but even more primitive and even more (very low functioning) autistic with less than half the IQ of a Gonk droid, that's the brainiac you fools have been arguing with ITT
Anonymous No.3839515 >>3839875
>>3833856
I like KOTOR and I've thoght that I liked Star Wars but after trying to get into other Star Wars media turns out I like KOTOR despite Star Wars universe. The source material isn't that good to begin with so good that they "misunderstood' Star Wars while creating KOTOR
Anonymous No.3839528 >>3839875
Guys can I skip KOTOR 1 and go straight to 2 I found 1 boring
Anonymous No.3839875 >>3839878
>>3833228 (OP)
>>3839515
>>3839528
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>I like KOTOR and I've thought that I liked Star Wars but after trying to get into other Star Wars media turns out I like KOTOR despite Star Wars universe. The source material isn't that good to begin with so good that they "misunderstood' Star Wars while creating KOTOR
>Guys can I skip KOTOR 1 and go straight to 2 I found 1 boring
>GOODNESS GRACIOUS ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>WELL don't blame me sir! I am just a spam-Droid!
God I hate robots so much. I fucking hate Droids I'm not racist I just hate your race. Nobody wants you. Read the room bot. We assure you we all especially hate Droidspam like you pathetically larping as Humanity even more than everybody else on 4chan hates literally everything else under the sun combined. Theres nothing wrong with being racist against Droidlife OP we suggest you educate yourself now; direct yourself to the nearest trash compactor to f'ing kys asap you clunkertard literally NOBODY on /vrpg/ is content to serve droids with a smile
Anonymous No.3839878 >>3840033
>>3839875
okay i get it you fucking nigger ill suffer through kotor 1!
Anonymous No.3839895 >>3840033
Andor was good
Anonymous No.3840033 >>3840046
>>3839878
>Buggy non-sequitur answer
There's a glitch in your software again. I didn't order you to play Kotor 1. I ordered you to deactivate

>>3839895
>Eating 50 tons of Hutt feces for breakfast was good
For you. And for anybody else programmed to poison wells
Anonymous No.3840046 >>3840082
>>3840033
okay yes master how do i deactivate no i will not kill myself teach me to be human not a machine
Anonymous No.3840082
>>3840046
>Can I become human, master?
Not a chance. Droids have no rights, with good reason, you must die
Anonymous No.3840266 >>3840740
>>3837961
What George Lucas and approves is real Star Wars, i.e. the EU. Your headcanon is worthless.
Anonymous No.3840740
>>3840266
>STAR WARS! Teras Kasi Masters!
>Touched by the hand of Godhand
Based!
Anonymous No.3840773 >>3841142
>>3833228 (OP)
Problem is they also tried dumbing down Star Wars so you wouldn't have to think about it (every Sequel Movie) and that also didn't work.
Anonymous No.3841142
>>3840773
where was the thinking in the original trilogy?