Thread 3833270

"Don't listen to your father. Kidnap the president."

"God says you have to die"

>>3833270 (OP)
>Doesn't listen to dad
>Almost cause the failure of the assassination mission
>Play rebels with your friends in an occupied city, hijack trains (that's cool, desu), and plan the kidnapping of the fucking president (it fail)
>Get jailed, but bailed out by daddy, of course
>Go back to jail to cause a shitshow and free your bros (based)
>Fail to stop the missiles launch
>Fall into a coma and become dead weight for half the game
>Is sent to space
>Wake up in space, possessed by a sorceress from the future and free Adel the tranny sorcerer from its space jail.
>Apocalypse as lunar cry + Adel crash on earth
>Is discarded into space, but is saved by squall the fucking simp
>Back to earth she is arrested and sentenced to death
>Squall the fucking simp save her AGAIN
>Is probably Ultimecia but players don't like that theory, so in the end she's just "a girl with daddy issues".
What was the point of this character exactly?
To redpill you on girls with daddy issues?

>>3833282
Everyone fucked up in ff8

"This is my anti-rape dog"

>>3833297
"I'll ditch her and meet you at Phoenix Gate later"

>>3833270 (OP)
god, Rinoa was such a shit character

>>3833275
and the dog in 15 was pointless

>>3833307
...There was a dog in 15?

>>3833314
Yes. Showed up in like 2 cutscenes

>>3833314
There were 3 dogs. 4 if we count Carbuncle.

Lunafreya had 2 dogs. Pryna and Umbra. They're not really dogs. They're "messengers" of the gods.

Pryna (white) gets the most screen time, as she ties in with Prompto's backstory.

Umbra served as a kind of Junction Machine Ellone, to revisit areas from the earlier chapter if only "in memory".

Carbuncle was only featured in the Demo, in Noctis' dream.

And finally, there was a demon dog seen in the "Omen" trailer, which was all the King's Dream.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZymd6r4wGg

>>3833321
>Carbuncle was only featured in the Demo, in Noctis' dream.

or if you played on Easy where Carbuncle would revive you if you got to 0 HP, so you didn't need to use items in that Bleedout mode

I've never played the pocket edition so, I don't know if there were added scenes or not.

>>3833282
If you didn't know. FF6 had Shadow and his canine partner, Interceptor.
Shadow was originally a train robber. Until he ended up in Thamasa which is the village of mage decedents.

Shadow is Relm's father. Meaning he fell in love with a "sorceress". She died. Shadow and Relm share "momento rings".

Rinoa shares a lot of these elements. Rebel train, dog companion. She ends up becoming a sorceress, but the way it's written leads some to believe she was always a sorceress. Or that her mother, Julia, was a sorceress.
All she has left of her mother is a ring.

There has never been a good FF8 thread in the history of 4chan.
True story.

As you know, Rinoa went to the dance to talk to Cid, to hire SeeD.

This imagery is repeated again in Versus 13, granted it was never finished and recycled into FF15.

Stella was replaced by Lunafreya. We could assume that Stella had dogs as well. What I've heard about Versus13's plot is that Stella's brother (Presumably Raven) was breaking into the vault to steal the crystal.

>>3833406
This scene was reimagined again in Kingsglaive as a peace treaty signing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXH_-nQIcLY

For context, Lunafreya was assigned a bodyguard/escort named Crowe who was killed, the pendent she was suppose to wear was actually a tracker. They treat it as a momento.

>>3833270 (OP)
>repeatedly shoots her dog
>at the enemies too
That girl isn't right.

Transplanting these story elements back onto FFVIII creates an interesting what-if scenario. What if Rinoa was a thief and train robber?

She came to the dance to talk to Cid. Perhaps she intercepted something that wasn't meant for her. A tracker meant for Ellone, perhaps. Or even Dr. Odine's Magic Sealing Bangle.

See, it doesn't make sense for her to hire SeeD, make them travel by train, to meet them, on their train, and then act surprised that SeeD came at all. It would make more sense that they're helping out the Forest Owls, to reclaim this special jewelry, or even a special painting. NORG also resembles Owzer, the Art Collector from FF6.

>>3833415
Stealing magic sealing equipment, called "The Goddess Magicite" ended up being the plot device for FF12. It just lacked a train.

In FF7. Aerith and her Mom escaped Shinra by train. Although her mom dies, she passes on her special Materia, which summons "Holy".

"Holy" was tentatively the spell used to break into the vault in Versus 13. The ultimate white magic spell "Holy" also goes by "Erase". As in, erasing something from existence, like Meteor. To cancel as spell or curse, such as the starscourge. Or even extinguish immortal souls from existence.
That was essentially the point of "the holy clavis"; to draw in the souls of the dead.

The souls of the dead are responsible for the power of Trance in FF9.
As well as the body of Sin in FFX. Yuna, like Lunafreya, was once planned to be a healer and draw out Sin's toxin from people along her way, like the Starscourge. FF7 eventually has the "geostigma" in Advent Children and Dirge of Cerberus, which is used to trick the planet into thinking the planet is already dead, and manifest Omega Weapon to ripe the lifestream out.

>>3833287
>Everyone fucked up in ff8
>Quistis: Should I focus on this highly important extremely dangerous assassination mission that requires cracker jack timing? Eh I guess I can knock off to make an apology that could have wait 20 minutes.

>>3833282
The whole plot of FFVIII is about Square's writers being less competent than they believe.

I've been farming Angelo Search for 2 hours now.
I just want to pick up a Friendship so I can summon a dadgum Moomba.

>>3833282
she makes a good match for Squall who was also a fuckup.
Rinoa has to do a lot of growing up. When the game starts her nickname is literally 'princess' and her dad is one of the most powerful people in (as far as anyone could know) the most powerful country in the world.

It's all so Squall can say "stay close to me" when Squall's autismmaxxxing pays off in a crisis situation so "princess" can inject some teenage love normalcy into Squall's life fast enough to fix him before he emo's out from saving the world.

>>3833449
That's all of the FF games. Kojima uncredited FF writer confirmed

>>3833449
I believe they had bigger plans than their development time allowed.

Angelo's limit breaks are learned by walking on the world map. But there's really not much to do on the world map. In fact there's only a handful of opportunities to run around with Rinoa in your party.

On route to Galbadia Garden.
Visiting The Tomb (most people drive)
On route to the missle base (if Rinoa in Selphie's group)
Gaining control of the Garden opens up some sidequest, but you generally just land next to the destination.

The only place to go on foot that the Garden can't reach is the Desert to farm AP from Cactuars.

Rinoa is benched for most of disc 3, once you get the Ragnarok there's very very little reason to explore on foot.

And that's all assuming you bought the Pet Pal magazines in the first place! Lunatic Pandora is basically the point of no return to visit the stores that sell them.

FF8 was written by a woman, or by a guy with a woman brain.

>>3834166
>guy with a woman brain
This isn’t a thing. Stop trying to make it a thing.

>>3834180
Dont panic I didn't mean literally

>>3833964
Standing back. The character's limitbreaks were probably intended to be tied to magazines.

Weapon Monthly, Combat King, Pet Pals, Timber Maniacs, Occult Fan, Girl Next Door.

Before they settled on Selphie's "Slots", she was supposed to have a gimmick with comic panels she'd acquire with each Timber Maniacs.

Quistis learns Blue Magic from monster drops. Since she uses a whip, it would have made more sense if Angelo was her dog and she taught her monster abilities. After all, she is a teacher and it would line up with Seifer's distaste for Quistis and "Dog Training".
>Bad Seifer. STAY!
After all, it doesn't make sense for them to fire Quistis when all her students graduated, unless there was something wrong with her methods.

There were a few other non-item magazines too. In the Forest Owl Base, there's Anarchist Monthly.

In Dollet, it's revealed that Occult Fan was originally titled something like "Boo!". Potentially, meaning Laguna's party had similar limit breaks.

The School's Library also lists a few books that could have been tied to Seifer, Raijin and Fujin's limit breaks.

>The Sorceress Knight - The Scenario Edition
>Insect Guidebook (Color Edition)
>Goodbye Pupurun
>We Meet Again, Pupurun
>Turbine Engines (Revised Edition)
>Edible Flowers

>>3834200
>when the knot is still in but she suddenly jumps 50 feet into the air

>>3834203
Speaking of breeding. In the remake, Hojo's interest in breeding Aerith and Red XIII was replaced with "S and G types"

>>3834205
>S and G
Meaning what? I dont intend to ever play the remake.

>>3833406
>Versus 13
HOES MAD

>>3834205
>>3834207
S-types refer to Sephiroth who assimilated Jenova cells directly in the womb.

G-types refer to "Gillian Cells", which was Angeal's biological mother who was infused with Jenova cells, before giving birth to Angeal. Genesis also received Gillian cells as a fetus.

It's fuzzy vague fantasy science. They don't say Gillian donated her "eggs" specially. Angeal and Genesis differ from Sephiroth in that they can make copies of themselves by infecting other living beings (like monsters) with their genetic code. But they suffered from "degradation", until they lean a treatment of sephiroth cells can stabilize them.

The Deep Ground "Tsviets", are all created from Genesis Cells. They all have color code names. They also need regular Mako infusions or they "die". It's unclear if they would be considered "G-Types" or not.

In any case. There's a strong possibility that Red XIII is a "G-Type".
Whether that's Gillian Cells or Genesis Cells, I can only speculated.

>>3834219
The fact of the matter is, Hojo is claiming to have "G-Type" material on hand. Which might be a "copy" of Angeal or Genesis.
The last copies of Angeal that we saw were Lazard and a Winged Hound.

Angeal was alway doting on dogs. Giving Zack the nickname "puppy". He's a dog trainer of sorts.

"Stamp" the dog, was also a Shinra Mascot. IIRC, it was part of their space program to reach for the stars. Mysteriously, each timeline shows Stamp as a different dog breed with a different number of stars.

Angelo wasn't allowed to go to space.

At first, I thought it was one less development hurdle. But it's not like they didn't have a model for Angelo floating in Zero-Gravity.

>>3834236
But Angelo's Ultimate Limit Break is Wishing Star, which you learn from Pet Pals Vol.6 in Esthar.

Obviously, there was no way Angelo was making over to the Ragnarok. But the Ragnarok was a Deus Ex Machina moment. Angelo's pod could have been "lost", and drifted over to the Ragnarok, remaining froze the whole time. When Esthar comes to seal Rinoa, they could have also thawed Angelo out.

>So you want to be an astronaut?
>Your resume says you have experience being "launched"

>>3834205
what's the point of that change? FF7 has a pretty strong anti-corporation message with it's ecoterrorist angle, and Hojo is the big pile of despicable amoral scientist who sees everything as progress. I don't know what the remake gains by fucking with that.

>>3834424
I think they probably needed to beef-up Barrett and Red XIII's character arcs.

In Part 1, they acknowledge the existence of Deep Ground, which was supposed to be a secret until Dirge of Cerberus. So they have Barret run through the tunnels under sector 7.
And they connected Yuffie's DLC and Part 2 sequence with Deepground, but if Dirge of Cerberus is to be canon then they can't go anywhere with it.

It's hard to say where they'll go in Part 3, because their character arcs have pretty much been exhausted. Barrett and Red hate Shinra, but not so much Sephiroth.

The biggest hole to fill is Cid Highwind. They cut "Rocket Town" from Part 2 and never really mentioned the space program.
Rufus is out there looking for "the promised land", but Palmer insists there's lots of Mako in space...and he's not exactly wrong.

As night falling winter has come without a star.
Here you will dwell, bound to you grief, under the fading trees, until all the world has changed and the long years of your life are utterly spent.
… there is nothing for you here, only death.

Just did the hidden chocobo summon for the first time, pretty cool.

Has anyone read The Dawn of the Future?

I wish FF8 got novellas. And a movie. And an anime series.

>Monkey's Paw
The characters look their age.

>>3833321
odin's wolves refrence of course

>>3833422
AND THEN WE COME TO 2019 WHERE GEOSTIGMA AND GEOSTIGMATA BECOME REAL

>>3834820
This game was completely torn apart by Spoony a decade ago.

>>3834838
Literally who

>>3834838
No. That retard didn't even understand the game on a surface level.
>>3834841
One of the earliest video game YouTubers. He's an obscure, suicidal goblin living in a basement now.

>The Remaster gives you the hidden "Chocobo World" items through Anglo Search.
I've been Angelo Search farming for over 7 hours now (at 3x speed!) over several days and haven't gotten the items for the hidden Moomba or MiniMog summons once. What the hell, man?

>>3834867
I'll play along. I'm doing the Pod + Confusion trick.
So far I've gotten:
Healing Ring, G-Potion, and X-Potions, Cactus Thorn

I've got Gilgamesh though, so he tends to ruin the battle after 1 or 2 searches, and I have to reset.

>>3834883
Potion+, X-Potion, Holy Stone...

I got Gilgamesh to use Excalipoor. I think he's only summoned once per battle, so I think I'm golden and can let this sit for a while.

I sold all my items just for fun so I have a clear view of what I'm getting.

I noticed something interesting. If Angelo Search finds a battle item, you can use it right away with the item command. But it's placed in a random item slot? Like, I got a Holy Stone, and my inventory is empty, but I have to scroll over to page 7 to see it. Idk if that has something to do with how items are sorted for battle.

>>3834893
It's driving me nuts. I'm at 10 hours.
I've gotten all sorts of shit, heros, hero trials, Aegis amulet, Occult Fan, Combat King.... but no Friendship, Mog's Amulet, or Ribbon yet.
This is brutal. I leave it running and come back now and then to press triangle a bunch.
I've been in this battle (picrel) for 5 hours now.

>>3834917
I got 2 Hungry Cookpots so I can use devour, but neither of the "hidden summon" items yet.
Just had dinner, I'm gonna go get Eden from the deep sea research center then just continue the story. I can see the moomba and mog summons on youtube I guess... ;_; I'll keep a save here in case I want to try farming for them again.

>>3834917
No dice. But it's only been a few hours for me.

I've heard people say you could get multiple Magical Lamps since Diabolos is otherwise missable. I'd like to confirm that, and see what happens if you try to use it when you already have Diabolos.

>Friendly NPC gives you a lamp.
>when used it contains the devil in it and forces a game over.
But why? how is this good game design?

>>3833270 (OP)
you just know.

>>3835069
That Sant'Angelo di Roma is a castle/mausoleum for Roman Emperors? Yes, but what were they thinking?

Was she supposed to be related to Alexander? Perhaps she and Rinoa were the prototype of Eiko and Madeen

>>3833425
>that could have wait 20 minutes.
That's assuming she lives anon, and that the all powerful super sorceress doesn't just bullshit their plans away and murder them all

>>3833404
There has never been a good thread in the history of 4chan.
True story.

>>3835138
I'm pretty sure "The Holy Dollet Empire" was equivalent to the Roman Empire.

If there was a castle, it would have been the Trabia capital we never saw. Then again, in FF11, Alexander is part of the undersea ruins as well as being an automata or "puppet".

Across the series, they usually set the machina up against magic dolls. With summons being a neutral power source or engine for both.
In FF16, the fallen were a mechanical civilization. Granted, it blurs the line between machine and magic. I'm still not sure if it's fair to call the Dominants a eugenics program.

In The Bouncer, theres a mix of nanobots and genetic manipulation. Blurring the line between android and cyborg.
Dominique is -i think- a robot that doesn't know she is a robot.

Japan is weird when it comes to robot girlfriends.

>>3835150
DBZ is worth bringing up because the creator was involved with Square, influncing the series through Dragon Quest and Chrono Trigger.

Dragon Ball had a Red Ribbon Army that had an "artificial human" program to create super soliders. But these range from Frankenstein monsters made from dead parts, to pure robots, to genetic artificial lifeforms. But the English dub calls them all "androids".

Ff8 has war mechs and holograms. An android that looked completely human isn't far fetched.

>>3835156
Angelo being a terminator from the future keeping Rinoa alive would be funny. I wonder what she was doing during the Garden Battle.

>>3833400
Shadow isn't Relm's father.

>>3835150
dolls vs fae was a thing in legend of mana. Fa'diel ( fairy world) and Vanadiel ( vanadis, odin/freya shit world) are sister worlds. Taru Taru/Lalafel evolved out of Chobin Hoods

>>3835492
But Interceptor is definitely her dog.

>>3835540
Maybe he's also an Esper...

>tfw Espers/GFs/Eidilons/Eikons/Whatever are what happens when masons investigate megaten
>tfw parasite eve is what happens when masons investigate resident evil/sweet home

Speaking of Parasite Eve
>Shiva

>>3835552
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KgTBlQG1AM

Dogs have mitochondria.
But do robots?

>>3836078
The whole idea of Parasite Eve, based on the novel of the same name, is that mitochondria is it's own lifeform, waiting for life to evolve.

The concept was echoed in at least Xenogears and FF16. The "Creator" in FF4 After Years is probably in the same vein; it's helping life evolve, because it doesn't have the ability to evolve itself.

This mitochondrial Eve is an intelligence that can manipulate life on a cellular level. Despite that, it's a parasite in that these bodies have their own intelligence, and Eve is seeking an ideal body for itself. A "mythos" if you like. The "horror" part of Parasite Eve is that, once it achieves that goal, it has no reason to maintain this symbiotic relationship.

Once you switch the analogy to robots, hardware and software, it doesn't make as much sense to burn bridges after you've crossed them. Imagine if a virus was syphoning computing power across a network until it assembled a super computer to satisfy it's computing needs. It doesn't make sense to destroy inferior computers.

>>3836169
hilarious that parasite eve became core to the star wars franchise

>>3834978
He OBVIOUSLY knew it contained a GF that if beaten into submission would be a help to the Destiny Children orphans he's revolved his entire life around on their mission to Save The World.

So this must be the FFVIII schizo.
Does he always talk to himself like this?

>>3836169
It doesn't really fit Xenogears. Deus didn't care how humans evolved as long as there were enough of them.

>>3836684
by now i'm 100% sure is a bot

>>3836078
>>3836169
I just replayed the Echoes of the Fallen DLC. They don't say mitochondria; they say "mitogenetic", which has to do with cell division.
They were using lifeforms as mother crystal seeds. I think they were growing flesh and then crystalizing it, maybe?

That's what Stranger of Paradise's "soul burst" looked like. But the story never really commented on why monsters burst into crystal.

Organisms made up of these highly organized cell structures are called Eukaryotes. While single cell organisms like bacteria which don't have a nucleolus are called prokaryote,
Eukaryotes multiply by mitosis. Prokaryotes multiple by fission.

These scientific names means "Eu"+"Karyon"+"ote" means
True kernel or "seed" entity. Because they have a nucleus like core.
While "pro"+"karyon"+"ote" means before kernel

The idea is that mitochondria were originally bacteria, or prokaryotes, before getting assimilated into Eukaryote hosts.

>>3836690
bots aren't that creative

>>3836804
An early idea for FF7 was that materia grew inside peoples bodies, like a nucleus or mitochondria. And the Turks would hunt people with special abilities to extract their materia.

>>3837157
like a kidney stone? Like philosopher's stones in FMA? This resonates

>>3837164
No, like a parasite or single cell organism. Because, in FF7, materia levels up and eventually does fission, creating new materia.

>>3837169
like la'cie and fal'cie but on a smaller scale, and internal

>>3837175
Or G.F. you junction to your memory.
Before Jenova was conceptualize as Space AIDS, it was a dorment region of the brain responsible for ESP. There was a witch responsible for activating it. She was cut from the game and recycled as Edea in FF8

>>3835069
>"Nice to meet you Squall! Did I introduce you to my husband, Angelo? He's such a good boy!"
>"..."
>"WHAT?"
>"Whatever..."

>>3837263
>He
Didn't play the game.

>>3833270 (OP)
>>3833275
"Yeees maaasteeer..."

Took a few days off from VIII, just made it to the bottom of the Deep Sea Research Center, here we go...

>>3837354
Yeah baby!
First try! Barely made it with only Rinoa alive with <1k health. Hell yeah.

Hey FFVIII schizo (or anyone else), what's the deal with the "faeries" that Laguna's crew talk about?
Is it some sensation they get when being viewed from the future through ellone?

>>3833270 (OP)
Obligatory:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itgqnY0IN34

>>3837412
The word they use in japanese is 妖精, Yōsei.
Today it's mostly synonymous with the english sense of "fairy". But in Japanese folklore they are bewitching spirits or "little people" that live in nature. Little helpers. So more like the keebler elves.

The concept of "little people" is practically universal in cultures around the world. Terence McKenna was a fairly famous "ethnobotanist" that could explain why. A lot of psychoactive substances give people these hallucinations. He coined the term "Machine Elves", that were these entities he encounters on DMT trips. They were very social and friendly, and encouraging. Probably related to the "3rd Man" effect. Mountain Climbers, being low on oxygen, can hallucinate a 3rd person that encourages them to keep going. Like a spirit guide.

>>3837412
>Is it some sensation they get when being viewed from the future through ellone?
yes, because Ellone's mental junction is granting them the GF junctions Squall & Co. have. Throughout the Ellone sequences they've become more and more aware that they're getting visited by some outside force from time to time that supers them up. Thus Kiros's dialogue with Laguna about the "fairies"- their means of referring to this experience- and how much easier the fighting is going to be that day.

>>3837439
Hadrian’s mausoleum became the Castle of the Holy Angel (Sant'Angelo di Roma) in 590 during a plague, when the pope had a vision of Archangel Michael sheathing his sword, signaling the end of God's Wrath.

>>3837481
>Castle of the Holy Angel (Sant'Angelo di Roma)
Huh, the architecture reminds me a little of the Centra Ruins.
In a world before Wikipedia I wonder how they did their research on European architecture and mythology. Books probably. I speculate that some of the dev team took a tour to Europe (specifically Paris, Deling City even has the Arc de Triomphe in it).

>>3837478
When you meet Laguna in the present, he tells you that Ellone told him, that Squall and Co. were the "fairies" that made them Bravely Default, and they came to associate the sensation with something big happening, like battles.

Which is fine and dandy. Until you think about it longer than 2 seconds and realise the Fairy Lies.

Maybe we were suppose to play more as Laguna. But we didn't. From our perspective the first time Squall connected to Laguna was in Timber Forest. They were supposed to be fighting Timber Resistance members with "forest animal" code names like the Forest Foxes ect...but Laguna went off to see Julia.
Was Julia originally a Forest Owl?
>Did you ever know?
>I had my eyes on you~

Based on their inner thoughts, you can detect that it wasn't actually the first time Laguna, Kiros, and Ward, detected the "fairies". It's likely the opening with Squall waking up with Ellone nearby, would have seen Seifer and Squall connected to Laguna then. And their dialogue doing the Dollet mission about "dreams they don't want to talk about" had something to do with Laguna.

Otherwise, the Laguna dream segments were kind of "mid".
Patrolling Winhill?
Listening to Julia play piano?
Visiting Edea's Orphanage in the Rain?

>>3837490
It's also likely, if Ellone had powers as a child, she had connected Seifer and the other at the orphanage to Laguna while they were children.

>>3837490
>Otherwise, the Laguna dream segments were kind of "mid".
>Patrolling Winhill?
>Listening to Julia play piano?
>Visiting Edea's Orphanage in the Rain?
Mid?!
They were fucking essential to Laguna's and Squall's character and story lol. You can't understand them without those scenes.

Speaking of children and the power of waking.

People have suspected there's more going on with Pluto and Kairi/Xion/Namine.
Riku commented on the "smell of darkness" and even Namine's scent. Presumably Pluto, being a dog, has a more powerful sense of smell.

Smell evokes powerful memories. Have they met before? Once upon a dream?

Another sense that dogs have is hearing.

Whenever Squall and company enter "dreamland" it is accompanied by a high pitched sound.

I was going to bring this up earlier. Angelo, not going to space, probably had a greater narrative purpose. Because after they launched, Angelo runs out of the Lunar Gate, causing the party to chase her. She's the first to "hear" the Lunatic Pandora floating over Esthar.

BUT. This is interesting...
>Did you know?
Angelo is based off a Black Australian Shepard.
This breed is prone to congenital deafness, due to a lack of pigment cells in the ears. This is related to the white markings on their face.
When the white covers their eyes, they also lack pigment and appear blue.

Angelo doesn't appear to be deaf, but she does have white inner ears. Suggesting maybe she should be.

In horses, this white facial marking would be called a blaze, and it's also related to genetic abnormalities. "Lethal white syndrome". Breeders are cautioned to looked for a "frame" pattern in prospective parents, horses that carry these genetic traits for unpigmented patches can result in foals with an underdeveloped digestive tracts and shortened nerve endings. They're basically doomed.

Dalmations are also prone to deafness.

Oh, you want to hear more about the other Timber Resistance Groups? They seemingly all had "forest" in the game. Forest Foxes, Forest Owls, Forest Duck.

President Deling gathered them up and sent them to D-Prison. That's Dingo Desert. So we could infer that dingos are native to the Galbadia continent. Lions (wings or no) must also be an animal. Although Rinoa mistook the one on Squall's ring as a monster. Moombas are lion-like and work in the prison. Since they're slaves, it's not unthinkable that Moombas were also used as soldiers to hunt down Resistance Member families.
President Deling executed Zone and Watts' fathers in front of them.

Chocobos literally have their own forests, but there aren't any Chocobo forests on Galbadia.

>>3837531
I hadn't considered it before. Quistis had an adopted family but she simply said it didn't work out, and then joined Balamb Garden.

Perhaps her adopted parents were also Timber Resistant members that Deling had executed by Deling. Which would make the news about Seifer that much more painful. Especially since she failed to stop him.

>>3837533
On second thought, she'd more likely have a grudge against the president then too.
I know Seifer was a loose cannon. But maybe killing the President was an easy and obvious solution to Timber's independence. Balamb Garden knew they had SeeD working on liberating Timber. Was that never an option. If Rinoa was out for blood, she could have given the order. Did Cid and Garden not expect that?

I just scanned FF8's transcript and realized the deal with Quistis is that nobody listens to her.

With Seifer, they at least acknowledge that he doesn't listen to anyone. But with Squall, she tells him that she just wants him to listen.
This could explain her sympathy towards Rinoa during the assassination mission. She realized nobody was listening to her either.

>>3837544
Perhaps Quistis and Benedikta were cursed like Cassandra. In Mythology, Cassandra dated Apollo and he gave her the gift of prophecy. When they broke up, he jinxed it so that nobody would believe her.

In a similar fashion. Julia had an audience, but it was Laguna who inspired her to sing lyrics with a message.
Perhaps, the forest owls only exist because of Laguna.

>>3837321
FF8 is my favorite in the franchise, but never realized Angelo is female until today. I figured with the masculine name and Rinoa being the type to prefer male Dogs over female Dogs that Angelo was male

>>3837882
>and Rinoa being the type to prefer male Dogs over female Dogs
New schizo?

>>3837489
cetra ruins?

>>3837490
joan of ark refrence?
laguna and seifer were supposed to have ff8-2 and ff8-3 at some point, allegedly

>>3837519
the keening from ff14?

>>3837552
>>3837544
has there ever been much of an explanation for Quistis using Blue Magic?

>>3837489
Angelo's name choice has to be related to a design choice. We never saw the Trabia capital, it could have been inspired by Rome, and this mausoleum. Or perhaps Deling city was suppose to have a mausoleum, where Deling's undead-double came from.

There are references to other ancient Mausoleums in the series, such as Halicarnassus in FF5.

There's no Church or ecology of souls, like other final fantasy games had, in FF8. It's surprising, for a game persecuting "witches" not to have some kind of spiritual authority justifying it. Like a pope.

Concerning the Pope and the Mausoleum, the story about the Arkangel a top it also fit into their iconoclast campaign to remove temples and statues of pagan gods.

In the Japanese version the Zombie president, Gerogero, is actually named Namtar Utok. After a Mesopotamian god of death. Namtar was supposedly reimagined as a demon of plagues, but if this was related to Angel story ending a plague, I can't say.

>>3838052
>Trabia capital
you can see a map on a wall in some behind the scenes production of FF8 and comparing the notes on it they cut a whole disc of content involving Trabia capital nation, Laguna journeying to Esthar, more Lunatic Pandora stuff, and the ruins of Centra continent.

>>3838110
This map?

It's possible some areas in the game were intended to be completely different locations.
For example, we know the Seaside Train Station just before the Salt Lake was drafted as the D-Desert station based on the concept pencil art.

In the final game, Laguna's party finds the Lunatic Pandora excavation site on Centra. However, the very first area map is a roped road path that's very similar to the ones on the Trabia mountain path. Since Laguna's story is untold for the most part, we don't actually know what the sequence of events should have been.

We know he ended up in the Shumi Village at some point, saved by a Moomba after falling off a mountain trying to get into Esthar. I feel like Laguna's poor sense of direction was really just an excuse to cover up the rushed development.

Like, the Lunatic Pandora is this 3 mile high floating tower. The position and the Pandora labs and the Trabia crater suggest that the pandora can scale mountains. So it's a wonder Laguna didn't see it sooner.

I'm just saying that Trabia Crater could have just as easily have been the excavation site.

>>3837979
In FF14 the "keening" sound was a consequence of dynamis. Dynamis is like Aether but different.

iirc, dynamis is responsible for limitbreaks. Or limitbreaks create a dynamis reaction. Some people don't accept that dynamis is a greek word for the will to fight, to continue, near death or near the end. That's what a near-death limitbreak is, after all.

This thread has a kind of dynamis. The online games have this meta narrative about players continuing to play, to create more stories beyond the base game. FF8 is a dead world. FF16 is a dead world. They're not geting any new development or content. There's no hope for a future. It's long passed.

Could the FF8 remaster get DLC?

Hope is a demon. Elpis. That's what was in Pandora's Box. It can also mean expectation. A tormenting illusion that creates disappointment.

>>3836804
It's believed that prokaryotes were the first lifeforms that emerged from the "primordial soup"

In FF16, Ultima's race was also supposed to be the first life on the planet. Chrono Cross did a similar idea with the elemental dragons but admittedly it's a fuzzy concept because the story feels rushed and unfinished at the end with some nonsense about planets as zygotes.

Ultima changes the sky purple as part of "Primogenesis". It's basically channeling Aether into the sky to flood the planet and turn everyone Akashic. Somehow aether erodes people's minds or wills, leaving them empty vessels for Ultima to possess. Genetic transfer, such as Ultima fragmenting it's eikon powers, is something bacteria do. I believe Ultima was depicted with a blue "spirit" body, because it was was analogous to Cyanobacteria.

This concept is likely jumping off of FF15's starscourge, a parasitic plague or bacteria that mutates it's hosts.

>>3838637
I used to see the Crystal in FF15 as a geode. But now I see a sperm cell.

Did you know? In sperm cells, the mitochondria are arranged in a spiral between the head and the tail.

>>3838197
dynamis is a plato word, like how amaruot was from The Republic, dynamis means powered by god

>>3838666
I meant to say Utopia, not the Republic, mb

>>3838666
I think that dynamis, in philosophy, refers to agents of power.
Like, bricks have the potential to come together as a wall, but the power to move and arrange them is the dynamis - the builder.

But philosophy is kind of dumb. Like, duh. The builder has the power to create something from material. But it's the material that "energizes and validates" the builder's agency. They're not building anything without it. Right? Meaning they're not a builder.

In FF11, "Dynamis" is the name of this dream realm ruled by the Terrestrial Avatar Diabolos. The point of this realm was to serve as an exit. After the meltdown event, life was barely hanging on by a thread. It wasn't a lack of will power but the fact that the planet just couldn't sustain life the way it had before.

>>3838824
In FF16, Rosaria has "The Founder" as a kind of patron deity. At first glance it's kind of a boring mythology. The Founder placed a rock on a hill, and stone by stone it became a home.

But it's more intriguing to hear developer commentary that Ifrit and Phoenix were meant to fuse into Diablos. Then seeing that Ultima's story in the Dimensional Rift has parallels with Dynamis in FF11. As if "The Founder" was meant to be Diablos, who then split into Ifrit and Phoenix.

Just replace the meltdown event with "The Blight".

>>3837476
>tfw I did a ton of DMT and never encountered fairies despite REALLY wanting to
but lawd the visuals

Long story short, the "gods" created humans as tools. And then went to sleep.

This is identically to the myth of Hyne, told by the old man in Balamb. Only the humans were meant to demolish a mountain.
When Hyne awoke and saw that humans had multiplied, he tried to cull the the children. But that made everyone angry, and he had to split his body in half to escape.

Coincidentally, Xenogears also has a culling event call the Diabolos Collapse, involving humans that could channel aether.
For Ultima in FF16, humans that can channel aether are the ideal host bodies.

Just started the game and why are all the NPCs tell me to get a GF, how do they know I'm single

>>3838637
I'm sure this has come up before. But the description for the Moon Stone item says it's a rock with monsters living inside it.

Wha--

I mean, we all know monsters fall from the moon. But they're...in the rocks? Doesn't that mean the Crystal Pillar is also one giant moon stone?

Or is it one giant Holy Stone? Because moon stone is refined into holy stones?

Once I finish leveling Squall to 100 (before Dollet)
I can do the lv100 Seifer challenging in Dollet.

It's going to be a lot slow with Seifer. In the early game, Squall can use Shiva's Doom ability on T-rex for the most experience.

>>3833400
Did Shadow at least send financial support to Strago for Relm's education? Being a talented painter can't be cheap, after all.

I've done about everything, all I have to do is walk into Ultimecia's room.

>>3840791
The what now
Just to beat the spider with seifer at 100?

>>3841166
Game Clear!

>>3841212
You don't fight x-atm092 with Seifer in your party. It's just to level him up...to level up.
I did it with Edea on disc 3, once, but the exp is better there, plus you have Quistis' blue magic.

>>3841467
If you level Seifer early like that does he become stronger when you fight him in the game?

>>3841497
Yes, but no. Monsters and bosses scale with the party level.
If you max your characters early, everything else will be maxed as well.
Seifer obviously isn't in your party when you fight...Seifer.
But he will be stronger since everyone else is.

I'm not 100% sure how many bosses have a level cap or not. I'll have to scan them to know for sure.

I think Ifrit was capped at like 40 or something, so people doing a lv100 run go ahead and fight him while leveling up.

>>3841512
>I'm not 100% sure how many bosses have a level cap or not. I'll have to scan them to know for sure.
every boss has a level cap but Omega weapon and Ultimecia I think

>>3841513
>every boss has a level cap but Omega weapon and Ultimecia I think
A couple of thing to note.
The level cap on monsters was zone/progress dependent.
On the PSX version bosses and enemies also had a minimum level cap, this was removed for the PC release. Biggest offense was Omega Weapon which had a minimum level cap of 100.

>Mad Rush
It's about a level per minute. with 3x Speed on remaster.

It's not as bad as I thought it would be. Since there's encounters with 3 soldiers on the brider for like 300-400 exp. Squall is level 100, but i'm keeping him k.o.ed with Zell. But they still contribute to the party level. So the enemies are all lv49. The exp return might drop once I get Seifer over 50

>>3841943
At lv65 now. Took a break. Switched to another file to take Angelo for a walk again.

>>3833282
i mean, everything after the jail is literally not her fault tho

Dog Training complete.

>>3842020
What purpose does this serve? Getting all your GFs to level 100?

>>3833282
Don't forget the part where she winds up hanging off of a cliff for half an hour during an important mission because she and Zell decided that was the best time to make matching jewelry for her and Squall. And then everyone yells at Squall for not going to save her immediately despite being in charge of a school full of rookies and noncombatants being attacked by soldiers.

>>3842268
He's one step closer to fulfilling his dream.
You have one too, don't you?

>>3833270 (OP)
Destroy the Oseans.

There's a lot going on in Dollet that you don't realize.

You hit the beach, and the first team is looking for a information network cable to tap into.

A new term is added to the help menu. Explaining that most countries don't communicate with each other because of the mysterious radio interference. They only suspect it has something to do with the moon. Anyways, only short range transmissions are possible. That's why Selphie has to relay messages on foot.

When you cross the bridge, you rescue Dollet soldiers from monsters.
Another new term is added to the help menu. Monsters. It actually tells you at this point that monsters rain down from the moon during a lunar cry. So all the monsters you are fighting are ones that have bred on the planet since the last lunar cry. Some animals are mutated as well by the strange energy.

The Dollet soldier wonders what Galbadia wants with the Communication tower. He said he used to play in it as a kid, but now it's infested with monsters.

We don't learn more until Disc 3 that the radio interference is actually the powerful seal on Adel's Tomb. But I suspect this was a revision, and that the writers were originally going in a different direction.

Because there's a theme here that countries are seeking connection.
Ellone's power is literally called connection. See?

>>3842576
Before Seifer leaves the party, he starts talking about why he loves battles and fears nothing, because of his dream.
Squall is like. "Dreams?!" And refuses to talk about that subject.

In the demo version, the dialogue is slightly different and telling that "dreams" are not ordinary. Saying "You were there..."

In Esthar, there's even a scientist that wants to create robots that can "dream" as well. And throughout the game, they insist on calling the Laguna segments "Dreams" when they're closer to memories.

>>3842583
"You are a fading dream, but one touched by reality.
Spira will not forget it's reality, nor the one who saved it.
Run, dream; Run on.
Pass beyond the waking, and walk into the daylight."

Yojimbo's dog is named Daigoro.

In World of Final Fantasy (Maxima Edition) he also has a 2nd dog named Gamit.
He's really hard to get to. The quest: "The Power of the Moon Will Make the Phantom Flower Bloom" is locked behind hidden quest in some of the longest dungeons.

In this game, Yojimbo is guarding the "Night Queen" flower. Which blooms in the desert under the moon. It's partly reenacting FF4's quest to cure Rosa's desert fever.

In FF4 is was the "Desert Light" in Japanese, and "Sandpearl/ Desert Ruby" in English versions, guarded by antlions.

Now, in FF8, the help menu term "Moon" explains the power of the moon makes people forget. Raine's favorite flower was white, and she believed in replacing forgotten memories.

If Ellone's power connected people to memories, and this memories could be erased, then perhaps they could also be replaced with new memories. We've all heard about shaping the future for ourselves; why not the past too?

WoFF is super fascinating in the way it blends all the final fantasy characters together into a single continuity.

For instance. they don't have Ellone, but they have Shelke.

Shelke is supposed to have a sister. But in WoFF she is given a "dream" by Diabolos implying she had a brother.
(I think it was meant to be Squall)

Shelke has the ability to perform network dives. She "dives into networks and gathers data fragments".

While she, herself, hasn't been featured in the Remakes, the infrastructure that is the platform of her abilities is seen in Rebirth, with the Remnawave Towers, which Chadley also uses.

>>3842608
But what are Remnawave Towers? Why were they shutdown in the first place?

>>3842609
I'm not sure where or why the English localization gave it this name. As far as I can tell, the japanese version just thinks of them as Communication Towers for radio/wireless transmission.

But...speaking of "Radio".
15 years prior, Glen Lodbrok, went on a geological survey mission that "failed" and then he "defected". There's some pretty big differences in the way English and Japanese scripts talk about it.

The mission was in "Rhadore", but it's spelling in Japanese is more like "Radiol". It's an island chain that's only seen in Ever Crisis. Ironically, they don't have radio there either, they communicate with smoke signals.
The person tasked with keeping the signals going is the "Eye of Rhadore" called Rosen. He has a dog too, named Refu.

Shinra of course wanted to build a Mako reactor there, their excavation causes monsters to attack. Sephiroth is there to save the day, and everyone...

...everyone...

"Sephiroth made the right call. He can do no wrong."

>>3842647
>Crimson Sphere
>REC icon
Oh, now I get it.

Just did a 2-3 month playthrough. Took 829 screenshots lol.
Going into Esthar there's this console you can interact with that controls the camo panels that hide Esthar. 6th or 7th time beating the game and I still found little details and new dialog like that.
I did a "battle almost everything run" and you know, the contention that "leveling makes the game harder" is bollocks. After you level enough you scale much more than enemies AND you have better magic, abilities, and items. It was significantly more fun than a low-level run.

It's a lot easier to grind lv1 to 99 in WoFF.
Did it with my moomba mirage.
Moomba is a mid size transfiguration of the courel. So its got status effect attacks with a chance to inflict death.
It went a long ways until another mirage learned doom, which was much faster and more reliable.

The trophy for mastering 100 mirage boards it still torture. It was a lot easier to get Seifer to 100.
Most boards max out at level 60 or 70. And the AP is free to use again after transfiguring mirages to recolored variants. So mastering 1 is mastering 2 or 3 in some cases. But it makes it harder to keep track of trophey progression.

Does WoFF have any dog mirages?
Yes. There's the Fenrir and Cerberus variety. Tama, and the kitsune foxes.

Maxima Edition added a small mirage that's from a woff manga but I don't know what its story is. His profile reads he's on a mission. He's got a dog face too, but he doesn't have any transformations.

>>3843890
Mel from the Meli-melo mobile game and manga is a support npc, like Tama and Serifi in WoFF. He allegedly has a jiant form with differen phases.

But connecting the dots, I think he's just a Small form of Gilgamesh. Both are the few mirages that carry over to a new game +.

In WoFF, you play as "Jiants", Lann and Reynn, who have the ability to summon mirages and "imprism" them. Although I think the prisms are actually called "Garden Gems" in japanese.
All the other NPCs and FF cameo "champions" are "Lilikins".

In the Meli-Melo mobile games, player play as their own Lilikin, but they also have the ability to summon mirages as "Garden users". However, unlike Balamb Garden in WoFF, Meli-Melo garden seems to be more of a literal farm-ville type "social" game app.

The mobile app was only available in Japan for a year before it ended it's service. So I can't dig up much on unique story content.

In WoFF, Squall talks about his dream to "fill the world with flowers". Like an actual flower garden.

It's possible that "moonstone" in FF8 are actually prisms.
Moonstone is also the GF Compatibility item for Alexander.

Without getting into specifics, "Alexander" is kind of the administrator of WoFF that gave Lann and Reynn their abilities in the first places.

>>3844540
Technically prisms hold "mirages". They're more like holographic impressions.

FF8 also has holograms, which was used to trap Adel. Adel could also be described as a "Jiant".

While Adel's reign was described as "terrible".
Lann and Reynn were also implied to have had a terrible past history. But that time was "lost" - like, it did but didn't happen - and so, you play as the twins with plot convenient amnesia.

>>3844540
the alexander theme song in FF14 is very cool. Exponential Entropy

>>3844543
Prisms and moonstones could all just be another name for nethicite as well. In Japanese it has a name that has the connotation of Exorcist stone. FF11 also had an exorcist stone, in the since that it seal spirits, souls, and demons inside it. It wasn't a major plot point or anything. There was a character in the Seekers of Adoulin expansion, who was a exorcist, and this stone from that region was used in that manner.

I had a thought that maybe the gargoyles Edea/Ultimecia animated were actually just carved from moonstone?

Likewise, in FF7 Ever crisis, the Wutai region has a bunch of stone statues that were also sealing away monsters.

This was different from the statues and temple that ancients built in cosmo canyon to commune with the Gi tribe.

I want to play in ff8kun's ffd20 campaign

Just finished the game for the first time. Went completely blind and didn't want to use any guides so I know I missed a ton of stuff. Had no idea how any of the infamous ways to "break the game" work so that final boss was quite a challenge (I only figured out that the size of the spell stack matters when boosting a stat during the Adel fight) . Out of all the stuff in the final dungeon, the only thing I couldn't figure out is the paintings room. I thought the order of the paintings corresponds with the arrows on the clock but nothing seemed to work.
Anyway, probably my final FF game so far. It was quite the ride.

>>3847707
>mfw the hot dogs in the ending cinematic
Tear up every time

>>3833270 (OP)
FF8 Schizo! if you're lurking I have a serious question! what did Seifer mean by pic related? During the SeeD exam briefing Quistis Trepe wishes Seifer good luck followed by Seifer Almasy performing a Sieg Heil gesture whilst verbally commanding Fujin to add Instructor Trepe to "the list". Wtf? What list? Who else is on Seifer's list? Wtf does Seifer plan to do with the people on his list?

>>3847707
I hope you didn't miss the important scenes and lucked into all the right party combinations and picked out the right music for the dance

>>3847744
In japanese, it a list of people "with a backbone". Quistis is on it. Zell is not. Because Zell is a wuss. That's part of his characterization I guess; he is judgemental.

It sounded more like a threat or promise. He's part of the "Disciplinary Committee". But in the French version he and the garden staff are called "Templars".

SeeD is a mercenary group. In Galbadia Garden you could graduated into SeeD or the Galbadia Army.

I like to imagine that Balamb Garden had an alternate course as well. Explaining the Garden Master vs Headmaster faction on disc 2.

The garden staff were kind of killjoys, but in retrospect they were pretty obsessed with perceptions and stressed they represent "this" garden.

Which begs the question of what goes on in Trabia Garden. Since Selphie had to transfer to Balamb to take the SeeD exam. I believe NORG was probably meant to be the Trabia headmaster. And the staff were actually meant to be Trabia warrior monks or something.

>>3848792
Only Balamb Garden practices summoning G.F.s
Perhaps that's why Selphie had to move Gardens. Since acquiring a G.F. was a requirement for the field exam.
Squall gets Ifrit.

Shiva most likely belonged to Selphie. Since Trabia is a snowy climate. In other games, Shiva is described as a snow fairy. In the scene that everyone remembers their childhood, Selphie calls the snow a gift from the snow fairies.
If junctioning GFs can cause amnesia, perhaps they can also compel memory recall as well.

>>3844540
In FFX, fiends are sealed in stone just like the fayth. There was the High Summoner Gandolf that sealed the cactaurs in the thunder plains. Of course the spirits of the dead turn into fiends.
But if you play the international/HD version, it's revealed there is a world of fiends "inbetween" the material world and far plain.
There's a series of fiends you have to capture and level up to unlock the Fiend Cup in Shinra's Creature Creator.
The gist of the fiend tales is that 1000 years ago fiends sealed off their world. This leads up to "Ultima Weapon", who is a "traitor" to the Fiends. It's a little confusing. Because the fiends you catch calm to be from another world and that they sealed the path the the fiend world.
However, once you get Ultima Weapon, it says he sealed the path himself to prevent a fiend invasion. But if the path was sealed, how did these otherworld fiends get through?

>>3833409
god, I wish the actual game had cutscenes with this level of care

>>3842372
>Irvine plans to leave everyone except Rinoa to die
>immediately starts shitting on Squall for caring about people other than Rinoa
What the fuck was his problem?

>>3852946
Irvine started out as a Cid. Not necessarily Cid Kramer. But an airship pilot. And as you know, airships were grounded some 15 years ago due to radio interference. And Garden, (according to Cid) was only established 10 years ago.

In that time, Cid Kramer became Edea's husband and "knight". It's reasonable we were supposed to see a young Cid in Laguna's era, which got recycled into Irvine. They don't really explore that, so we never really see Cid as a Sorceress Knight. NORG is the one that points out they're married and that they've been "tricked" somehow. But that doesn't make sense because the orders didn't come from Cid, but NORG's subordinate. Even Squall is confused, because isn't that the point of SeeD? And NORG is like "GUURRR,YOU FAILED!" (that's the point).

If you imagine Cid and Irvine as the same character. Then what NORG would be saying is that Irvine missed on purpose.
Then imagine during the Battle of Gardens, if it was Cid telling Squall to forget his duty and save Rinoa. It would be echoing what he started to tell Seifer at the beginning of the game, "I don't want any of you to be robots".

When Rinoa talks about her fear of being left behind, like they're someone else when they're in SeeD mode. Irvine sympathizes with a line about watching the one you love disappear. As if that's happened to him before.

>>3853002
I had the thought that maybe Cid was an Esthar Robot. Maybe even the JME. "Junction Machine Ellone".
A strange name, considering Ellone calls her power "Connect"
Potentially it could have been called CID. [C]onnect [D]evice, with the [I] being something like interface, illusion, inheritance.

After all, Ellone was allegedly meant to inherit Adel's powers, and Dr.Odine make a copy of her brain pattern before that happened, or never happened as it were.

As it were, Cid in FFXIII also had his brain scanned by Eden. This doesn't come up in the game, but it's in the novellas. While L'cie are in crystal sleep, Eden can scan their brain and upload their consciousness (or a copy of it) within a virtual space. The reason Coccoon didn't immediately fall out of the sky after you defeated the final boss, was because Cid was on the inside, like a system backup, stabilizing the gravity core.

Actually, in Japanese Edea's name is more like "Idea". So it could have been a Connect Edea Device.

There's this strange thing that happens on disc 3. Rinoa is in a coma. Squall is able to talk to Ellone in the dream world, Ellone thinks "Oops, I must be asleep". And she basically tells Squall that she's given up trying to change the past. Meaning no more dream sequences. Right?

Except there's 1 more when you get Esther. Was this Ellone's doing? Or was it Ultimecia trying to connect to Edea (who's in their party) not realizing Edea doesn't have sorceress powers anymore.

This dream sequence tells us what happened to Adel. Potentially informing Ultimecia of Adel's whereabouts as well (if she didn't already know).

I keep coming back to the question of who is Adel in the FF series. Because archetypes get repeated. But she's never given a back story.

Shelke in Dirge of Cerberus can dive into virtual networks. Potentially, Adel had the same ability over a wireless network. Which is why her tomb created Radio Interference. It also makes sense that Adel ruled over Esthar, the most technologically advanced country, because she could puppet their robots, airship, and even missiles.

That could explain how the Ragnarok got "lost". They launched Adel into space, and she attempted to hijack the ship before the radio interference jammed her connection.

Of course, Rinoa was in a "young" Adel before allowing Ultimecia to compress time. So you have to wonder what Adel "knew" and if she was fulfilling destiny or avoiding it. Staging the Ragnarok to rescue Rinoa and Squall.

I've traced the concepts surrounding Irvine and Vincent in Dirge of Cerberus as well. Even though their personalities don't exactly align, there's something about Shelke resembling Selphie/Ellone.

>>3853019
And then there's that scene in KH2, where Kairie is trying to remember Sora. Just the fact that Selphie is in the scene at all is fascinating to me.

>>3853023
They could have cut it out entirely and just have Kairi getting kidnapped.

Btw, in the manga, Kairi and Pluto escape from the nobodies and end up in Twilight Town where Seifer crushes on Kairi hard.

>>3834800
yes and a remake featuring Quistis as the protag of Discs 2, 3 and 4 too

>>3833307
Nah, she makes for a great teen crush.

>>3854107
Rinoa or the dog?

Rinoa felt to me like they tried to mash Tifa and Aerith into one character.

>>3854113
>Aerith
Stopped reading here.

>>3854114
Fact: "Aerith" is the default hardcoded name even in English versions, and someone added a line of code to change it to "Aeris" when the naming screen comes up.
Fact: Her name is supposed to sound like the english word "earth."
But fuck it, I always call her "Alice."

>>3854129
>clearly posting a game that is not FF7
What did he mean by this

Disc 1 of FFVIII is tedious. I just want you all to know that.

>>3854113
They did. 8 was a profound failure in every possible way. Like a ten year old doodling the Mona Lisa with crayons and proclaiming it a perfect duplicate.

>>3854264
The whole game is tedious.

>>3833270 (OP)
is this game good?

>>3854289
I liked it more than 7, and definitely more than 9.

>>3854264
Any particular reason you feel that way?

>>3854512
It's slow, the ratio of characters talking versus combat/dungeons/nonstandard gameplay is poor. Disc 2 has better pacing and better variety and gives you the freedom to roam around with the mobile garden.

>>3834467
i love the bouncer

>>3834838
you just admitted you're stupid enough to fall for that faggot's nonsense, congratulations

>>3854289
>8 was a profound failure in every possible way. Like a ten year old doodling the Mona Lisa with crayons and proclaiming it a perfect duplicate.
You need to stop trying so hard with your 2007 gamefaqs opinion. You didn't play the game

>>3854727
>the ratio of characters talking versus combat/dungeons/nonstandard gameplay is poor.
In that case I'd recommend staying away from Final Fantasy as a franchise as it only gets worse.

9 is even slower (and even has the audacity to stack stacks Active Time Events on top of the regular slog), 10 picks back up but from there it's all downhill. 13 tries to pick up the action again but it railroads you harder than 9 meaning the gameplay feels shallow and tacked on. 15 flips the script and drops a terrible story in favour of gameplay, you might get some mileage out of it.

>>3855081
I found 8 to have way better cutscene to gameplay balance than 7, since they started experimenting more with interactive cutscenes playing behind your characters. The dialog is snappier and the battles move faster as well.

>>3855081
FFIX has a much better disc 1 than VIII. After the big opening setpiece in Alexandria you get back to back dungeons with bossfights, a hunter tournament minigame in Lindblum, world map sidequests and then two more dungeons with bossfights.

This is a bit beside the point but IX having a different character powering up system makes the towns and dungeons more worthwhile in general. VIII's world/story progression and power systems don't have any synergy with each other, the game doesn't have any sense of a "normal" playthrough. It's really the fault of the level scaling being half-assed in its implementation, it should've been more sophisticated and deliberate.

>>3855340
It's not something you notice until you watch speedruns but Disc 1 is like 50% of the game.

>>3855078
>You need to stop trying so hard with your 2007 gamefaqs opinion. You didn't play the game
I think it's a safe bet that he did play 8, but he preferred 9. Which is a perfectly valid opinion. The problem is he cannot accept that the majority prefer 8 so now he's dedicated his lifestyle to hating on it.
You'll see him crop up every time someone levies critisicm on 9. He'll immediately try and and make it about 8. He's like the FF8 schizo, only instead of providing mystery, entertainment and the most out-there collective works theories put to paper he's filled with cope, denial and the inability to accept the opinions of others.

>>3834192
>when all her students graduated
The fuck you on about? Only Squall made it and one of her students went completely off the rails to do his own thing during the mission. Maybe Nida was in her class, butt that still makes 2.

>>3833270 (OP)
I don't need an FFIX Remake. I don't even need FF7R3. Just remake FFVIII with an improved junction system

>>3857069
>FFVIII with an improved junction system
How I'd fix the system:
Magic is unlimited in quantity.
Spells are unlocked for characters by drawing them from enemies.
The 'quantity' of the spell for the purposes of junctioning is now determined by the compatibility of a corresponding GF.
'magic' as refined/drawn from world points raises compatibility with GFs.

Hard mode: GF's are more fickle and raising compatibilty lowers the the compatibilty of opposing GFs.

>>3856250
You forgot about Zell.

>>3857069
The Junction System is already OP if you know how to exploit it. Feels like it was made as obtuse as possible to sell Player's Guides. That's assuming that the PG's even had a guide on the system.

>>3858253
There's nothing in the guides about junctioning strategies.

>>3857085
>Magic is unlimited in quantity.
Bad idea. The point of the system is that rare magic is in lower quantities in terms of uses which directly translates to lower junction value too.

Better to instead have each magic have a max cap of uses in combat and junction, but uses is always set to max for each battle. Each new draw source increases the max cap.
So the first draw source of Fira gives a max use count of 3 per battle. The next enemy type or draw point increases this by 3 for a total of 6. This varies depending on the spells. Max cap is shared across all characters.
So there is value in drawing from new enemy types and finding draw points, but you only have to redraw from the same sources and you can't grind them up. So it also incentivizes more exploration and such.