Thread 3833832

Even with emulator fast-forward this game's a SLOG

I still want to play it. I liked it when I tried a long time ago.

>>3833832 (OP)
Thats the nature of 3d & ps2 games in general

>>3833898
Suikoden especially never really got 3D right until the fifth game.

>>3833850
The characters are pretty likable but the writing is struggling to carry the whole thing on its back. It plays like shit, the camera and movement suck, you're going over the same areas over and over, and it looks far worse than the previous games. Music is also pretty lacking, it's just completely missing in some scenes and even when it's there it's forgettable.

>>3833832 (OP)
Poorly paced story combined with having you run through the exact same small areas with 3 (4) different characters over and over and over again was legit retarded.

Suikoden 3 is arguably the worst game in the series because it's such a pain in the ass to play through, while also having shit combat and strategy battles.

Is it weird I'm looking forward to the gacha
>>3834293
I think 4 is worse

>>3834471
4 is shorter, less monotonous, has better combat, better strategy battles better music.
4 is not good, but it is better than 3.

>>3834209
Personally I liked 4's 3d camera and locations even despite the slowdowns on the PS2.

>>3833832 (OP)
I like 4 more than 3 despite 3 having my favorite protagonist in the series. The backtracking in 3 was such a pain and the writing kept having things left to be desired, it just felt strange. Nothing felt like it had any actual impact for some reason and the whole plotline with the wind rune fruit was kinda annoying even if kinda based that he wanted for the true tunes to stop effectively controlling people's fates. Also personally I liked 4's much much more than 3's aside from the opening. Exceeding love is such a good song for suikoden. Wonder if the upcoming suikoden 2 anime.is gonna have a similar style to the opening of 3. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RINHCpYzQK0

>>3833832 (OP)
How does this entry compare to suikoden 2?

>>3834737
3 has better combat and character customization, but worse pacing, visuals, and music.

>>3834606
I finished the game yesterday and yeah the game gets a lot more interesting toward the end once you actually get into Luc's motives and stuff starts happening, but by god were the first 3 chapters and shifting perspectives badly executed.
I've only heard bad things about 4 but honestly a brisker pace sounds like what the series needs. Probably Suiko 1's greatest quality, the story isn't amazing but it's consistently engaging and always moving

>>3834737
Having just played both: I kinda thought it was worse in every way, but it is a much more ambitious game that just falls short of its ambitions. Still has some cool ideas and I would say worth a play if you can stomach an early PS2 3D RPG with all that entails.
Also recommend playing the Suikogaidens first they're short and pretty fun.

>>3834606
Also agreed on the opening, watching is honestly what made me wanna start 3 right after 2 when I originally intended to take a break. It's perfect.

>>3834789
Suikoden 4's story isn't really the issue, it's the fact that they lowered the party limit to 4+2 specials or something like that alongside most of the world map just being empty water. On the ps2 the random encounters on the ship world map were also absolutely retarded in quantity making moving to new or old islands a massive chore until you got Viki. Which at least doesn't take too long.
In terms of story I personally think that it's probably like 5=2>3. Though I got personal issues with 2's story, mainly the absolutely retarded actions of Joey and a couple others for no reason other than "it has to be that way because we're destined to fight". Like, fuck off. This is exactly why Luk does what he does in 3.

>>3834817
Also the whole performance issues on the ps2 thanks to suikoden 4 being the only 3d suikoden that has a movable camera and as result them not being able to do the same performance tricks they did for 3 and 5(even though 3 ran like absolute shit in terms of performance on the ps2 too lmao)

>>3834817
The runes have their own will and do push your destiny, I think it makes sense that things went the way they did, along with Jowy being intelligent yet still childish in his way of thinking. It is possible to defy the runes regardless of how much they push you in one direction, which is what Genkaku's story and the true ending in 2 convey (I also think it's a beautiful message of how war can be stopped and you don't need to keep feeding a perpetual conflict to the bitter end). 3 obviously liked this aspect of 2 since it makes it the central conflict.
How would you rate 4 compared to the others? 5 seems really interesting but I'd rather not skip 4.

>>3834839
It's mostly subjective but gameplay wise I find 4 superior to 3, even if that's for all and that major of a difference. Storywise I liked 4 more than 3 aside maybe the latter half of 3 which I did also like in 3. For s4 there's isn't really a lot of stories that also take places on an archipelago, the story itself felt sort of more "edgy" than the other ones but I can't quite describe why. The protagonists true rune is similar to the s1 true rune, soul eater since it essentially saps its users life when used. At the beginning of the game after certain events happen you get to choose 2 out of 4 of your preferred childhood friends and part of your starting party which I personally really like, they each have one of normal element runes: wind, water,fire and lightning. Also a very plot relevant child hold friend who I bet you're absolutely going to despise. Also there's an optional encounter with a person during suikoden 4 that has the soul eater rune as well, since suikoden 4 is chronologically the first story in the series to take place.
But yeah, I think in terms of story I consider the games to be 5=2>4>1>3
Gameplay wise I'd say 5>2>1>4>4
I do wish there were more interactions with Odessa in the first game, she was a nice character. Also it's a shame that the upcoming gacha turned her more grounded design into a incredibly generic anime design.

>>3834852
Odessa was lovely and left an impact despite her short appearance yeah, I named my castle after her.
I've seen too many franchises I like killed by chasing the gacha trend and I despise them with a passion, so I doubt I'll ever even play it. I get why some fans might be excited after so many years without a game but as a new fan everything about it seems grim.

Sooey codin'

>>3834737
>How does this entry compare to suikoden 2?

3<4