Thread 3835095

>fantasy rpg
>the warrior / fighter kills things comparably to the spellcaster but never runs out of resources or has to micromanage their spells
>the fighter is significantly sturdier and less likely to just be randomly taken out compared to spellcaster
>depending on the game spellcaster may be tankier but that requires micromanaging lots of buffs and spells whereas the fighter is just always dependably tanky
>the fighter typically has the best and most flavorful items (magic weapons and armor)
>stealth playstyles and magic playstyles in fantasy rpgs make you spend more real time and energy to get the same results. the warrior classes have the best fun to time ratio

it's time to accept fighter supremacy

>>3835095 (OP)
Thanks for the artist. His style actually fits as custom portraits for the Pathfinder games.

>>3835095 (OP)
>the warrior
Was never done right
>fighter is significantly sturdier
Meme, really. Sounds like a model that was antiquated in the 80s

Never understood why wizards can't use armor and weapons as well.

>>3835232
I'm guessing that carrying armor makes your flesh and muscles tighten, and that wizards need to be calm and have a loose body to channel the magic through.

>>3835095 (OP)
>the warrior classes have the best fun to time ratio
Flawed premise. I don't play games to finish them faster. If I'm playing vidya, then that's what I'm doing.
>>3835232
Ever try to make a call on your cell phone in a metal building?

>>3835254
...Where do they have metal buildings?
And why is magic using radio signals?

>>3835232
>Never understood why wizards can't use armor and weapons as well.
In DnD, because their spells have somatic components (along with verbal and material) and they must perform delicate movements and motions to properly cast a spell, and armor restricts their movement, leading to a chance of arcane spell failure, if they’re even proficient in wearing that armor. Years of dedicated arcane study precludes studying martial skills like properly wearing armor or wielding all but the most rudimentary weapons.

Also for balance.

>>3835232
They go to the library, not the gym

>>3835232
Even Gandalf was swinging around the foe hammer

>>3835283
I do both, wizards are like little baby

>>3835232
>armor
Never been done right.
>weapons
complete and total meme

>>3835333
>>3835226
Is this what zoomers consider to be trolling now or what?

>>3835095 (OP)
>it's time to accept fighter supremacy
The kingdom that separates its magic-users from its warriors will have it's spellcraft done by cowards and its fighting done by fools.
t. Thucydides, the first Spellsword Supremacist

The Spellsword maximizes his combat potential more than any other class. The fighter focuses too much on being an all-round fighter class. The Spellsword on the other hand focuses his training and preperation specifically for the foes he's fighting. Whether it's an anti-magic, one-man-army or an expert duelist, the Spellsword can cover all of these roles by applying a different combination of buffs on himself. He is the ultimate warrior. The physical armor he wears and his magic armor work flawlessly together like one united whole. He also doesn't carry around bows or crossbows to have a ranged attack. If he really needs to, he can throw a fireball, but all of his spells are focused on achieving close-combat encounters.

>>3835309
Don't forget swinging around his big ol'...

>>3835501
>cast 500 buffs
>you can finally go in and chop something
>meanwhile fighter has already chopped everything
inferior

>>3835501
>preperation
Should have spent a little more time in school.

>>3835226
>Was never done right
Classic WoW

>>3835309
Gandalf was a gishGOD.

>>3835501
Based!

Fighter
>Can kill 1-2 guys with every swing

Caster
>Can stop time, resurrect the dead, wipe out armies with a swipe of their hand, gaze into the future, create a pocket dimension, teleport, astrally project themselves, buff themselves until they're stronger than a god, and effortlessly stop entire armies in their tracks with a well placed spell or two

Spells when done right are a finite resource to balance how strong they are. A martial will NEVER keep up with a caster

>>3835579
>Quad crits you into the dirt before you finish a single incantation

>>3835501
t. Brainlet

One greater dispel from a Wizard will strip your spellsword of every single buff they have on them. A quickened dispel followed up by a hold person will leave your spellsword helpless to the whims of the Wizard
The path to true power is PURE wizardry and magic. If you stray from the path to waste time on honing sword like some farmboy then that's time spent not honing your magecraft, and, as a result, uour magic will be worse. Your spells will have shorter durations, you will have less spells, and the spells you do cast will be easily resisted.

>>3835580
Divination Wizards always go first. And even if you're not a Divination Wizard, you can be a Wizard with contingency spells that activate the moment combat starts. In the absolute worst case scenario, where a Caster dies, their soul will immediately move into a clone body that they prepared in their pocket dimension.
There is nothing a martial can do to a high level caster.

>>3835095 (OP)
Caster is tankier than fighter because of defence selfbuffs
>Caster can just heal himself easily, fighter needs to manage potions
>Caster has easy access to ranged attacks, fighter has to carry a backup ranged weapon
>Magic weapons scale with magic abilities so caster benefits the most by using them
>Certain enemies are just resistant to normal weapon damage but caster has multiple elemental damage types

>>3835095 (OP)
meanwhile, in reality
>the mage casts fireball in a 50 foot radius for 20d6 damage incinerating every enemy on the map as well as half of his party who then have to be revived

>>3835585
Ah, you see, the wizard's pocket dimensions were all infiltrated by demons and Astral void horrors before, lured by the scent of MAGIC who did bad things to his clone bodies. Who knows, since the wizard has a mysterious connection to those bodies, so they might have done with their haul more than just eat it. What now?

>>3835232
Because they're not warriors, idiot. If they were, they'd be spellblades. Read up on your archetypes.

>>3835568
Rage is a stupid mechanic outside of MMOs.

>>3835638
>pocket dimensions are invalid
Gonna have to try harder than that.

>>3835725
>planar interventions/invasions are impossible
I guess summoners and pact makers are non-existent. Does magic even exist in your "fantasy" world?

>>3835752
>Does magic even exist in your "fantasy" world?
Seems to be working since it made you a blithering retard.

>>3835095 (OP)
>fails wisdom save and runs into danger like buffoon, dying instantly due to prone
So much for your “fighter”. Lol. Should’ve invested into your mental stats more instead of swinging sticks and rocks like an ape. Your only use is to protect the party wizard until you’re replaced by summons.

>>3835232
>mage armor
>summoned armor
>summoned weapons
>enchanted weapons
Mages have always been able to use the best weapons and armor.

>>3835756
You have pocket dimensions inaccessible to dimensional hoppers though, with only pc mages (so most likely humans/humanoids with average (less than average since they are bookworms) constitution) being able to travel between worlds. I think it's more likely that it's your mages who are the retards drooling and shouting about clones in their pockets while lost in their head and unenterable to reality while fighters look at them with pity if their morality score is high enough.

>>3835232
fax, IRL smart students are just jock+nerd hybrids. Jihadists were engineers or nuclear scientists in addition to being soldiers like Bin Laden. Many IVY league schools require extracurriculars as opposed to SAT scores because exercise helps you learn more information. The best animators know how to act, dance, or do martial arts.

the trope of nerds being shut-ins who lack physical ability is a meme exclusively pushed by unlikable racist/sexist geeks who aren't smart at all.

>>3835095 (OP)
Imagine a world with magic so powerful it can allow you to teleport and call down meteors and your reaction to that is to play a mundane soldier with a pointed stick. Pure martials are truly the grug pick of player classes.

>>3835095 (OP)
Alright now let’s see your fighter attempt to negotiate.

>>3836120
>Why do you quote the law to we who carry swords at our sides?

>>3835513
Wizards do not cast spells just so they can be warriors and "chop" things. They cast spells because they have more important things to do with their time. Chopping is relegated to the muscular idiot: it gives him a chance to show his body and feel good about himself. It's ok if he doesn't recognize the effort his mage puts into his mental health.

op is talking about actually playing video games and everyone else is talking about roleplaying

>>3836179
I'm desperate to hear what you believe "RPG" stands for. Like. Please. Please. Fucking please tell us what you believe "RPG" means.

>>3836193
When u trying to spell arpeggio but u a high speed low drag keyboard operator and gotta go fast

>>3836179
Roleplaying's a big part of the fun playing a game though. Like how in VTM:B, it MIGHT be more fun and quicker to just blast through a level slapping everything aside (also totally viable), but it's also very fun to crawl through it to get a better reward for the job well done and a patronizing slap on the back from some French bitch. Putting 100+ buffs on and knowing that some mandatory fight little shit one room away can't do anything to stop it can be fun too. Maybe there are even people who don't get tired of the process either.

>>3836193
You are comically retarded, arguing if it's better to imagine yourself as a knight or a wizard is completely subjective and has nothing to do with the thread

>>3835819
I would encourage you to stop by your local temple and pay for the remove curse service. It looks like that little number isn't going away on its own.

>>3837009
>number
Holy shit. Your "fantasy" world has stat screens? You are inside a CRPG, not fantasy! Then again, in a CRPG with revival system everyone has "clones stored away for the souls of the slain to go back" (or insert a given justification for revival), not just wizards, so you acting so uppity is rather strange.

>>3835095 (OP)
Okay but why does your knight have the french banner for his shield and surcoat in your pic-related?

>>3835584
spellsword counterspells your wizard's dispell and ends him rightly

>>3836120

You see, for the fighter negotiations go as follow, the fighter gets what it wants, it makes no difference if it´s through negotiation or if it has to take it from it´s opponent´s mangled corpse.

>>3835922
>Jihadists were engineers or nuclear scientists in addition to being soldiers like Bin Laden
The vast majority of jiadists are retarded inbred sand people. Bin Laden himself was a fucking retard, as evidenced by the fact he was a muslim.

>Many IVY league schools require extracurriculars as opposed to SAT scores because exercise helps you learn more information. The best animators know how to act, dance, or do martial arts.
I've never known or heard of a single animator who was a champion of MMA.

This is the saddest, fattest, most pathetic cope-post for spellcaster nerd rage I've ever seen, kek.

>>3835232
same reason autists can't have cauliflower and potato on the same plate

>>3838649
>doesn’t immediately call out the poster for being brown
You are either non-white yourself or just slow. Either way this says all you need to know about martial brainlets.

>>3839024
>doesn’t immediately call out the poster for being brown
NTA, but this is so tedious. I grew up on the old internet that was 95% White males, so I project that onto others until proven otherwise. Reading you kids having slap fights where your go-to is
>you’re brown
>no YOU’RE brown
is just dull as fuck, even if unfortunately it’s often true nowadays. Depressing state of affairs.

>>3835673
Tell that to my barbarian. Wait, he wouldn't understand since he is RAGING, and you wouldn't have much time till he ragefucks your skull with your blood pulsating out through your mouth and nose.

>>3835584
>mage dispels spellsword
>spellsword dispels mage
>mage casts attack spell at spellsword
>spellsword charges and dispels
>mage tries to retreat because fight is now physical rather than magical
>spellsword slams mage to the ground and runs his sword through him because mage is totally unprepared for melee combat

>>3838650
A new CoF music video?

>>3835095 (OP)
You just provided a full-blown explanation of why fighters are casul class and why people who pick it shouldn't be respected.

>>3835095 (OP)
I share your enthusiasm for fighters, but usually they have to be babysat by caster companions.

>>3839159
>spellsword dispels mage
This seems unrealistic. Presumably you're talking about a mage versus a fighter/mage multiclass, in which case the mage should have a significantly higher caster level, and thus would more easily dispel the spellsword's spells, while also being more resistant to being dispelled. Sounds kinda apples-to-oranges comparison if you're assuming that he's an equally-competent mage, plus a fighter on top.
>mage casts attack spell at spellsword
>spellsword charges and dispels
What? "I dispel the fireball and also charge at the same time"? This is just sounding like your weird headcanon.

>>3839189
>usually they have to be babysat by caster companions
isn't it the other way around? at lv.1 fighters do the heavy lifting because casters don't know any spells or have a small mana pool. at higher levels, casters can cast nuclear bombs, but still need fighters to be meat shields.

>>3839215
>a mage versus a fighter/mage multiclass
the spellsword class is a full caster with weapon/armor proficiencies and a bab to match
>This is just sounding like your weird headcaon.
as opposed to your weird headcanon?