Thread 3844369

>What can change the nature of a man?
"I dunno, lots of stuff really"
>this is the correct answer in the game.

This, but unironically.

>>3844369 (OP)
>man, man never changes

>>3844369 (OP)
Regret is the correct answer though, it actually worked.

>>3844391
Every answer is a correct one because the way their world works, belief becomes reality. So no matter what option you pick at the end, it's the right answer because we're shaped by the things that happen in our life, it's never just one thing.

>>3844419
So what you're saying is the only correct answer is "belief".

>>3844426
Yes but what is it belief in? After all if you keep giving enough people a fake name, that person with that name will manifest into reality because enough people believe he exists.

>>3844426
>So what you're saying is the only correct answer is "belief".
The correct answer is the one given sincerely and truthfully.

I really have to play this game

>>3844426
No, it's the one you believe in. All sincere answers contain "belief". Get it?

>>3844429
I'm doing it for the first time right now
its not too hard to get into; you owe it to yourself

>>3844419
its regret because what changes you in the end is you getting your memories back aka your regret back

>>3844369 (OP)
Mens nature doesn’t change unless it’s through divine intervention or a traumatic brain injury.

>>3844553
Very transphobic post.

tony jay was a gift

>>3844369 (OP)
One day I'm going to do a replay where I make all the evillest decisions and utterly ruin all my friends' existences, only to find out the choice is qualified in some way to amount to the same thing more or less.
Still one of the best RPGs ever made ez.

>>3844426
No, what is the correct answer is the one you believe to be true. Not just because of how belief works in the setting but because Ravel was asking that to so many people not as some hag trick, but rather as a test of character. She just wanted someone who would answer honestly from the heart, no matter what that answer is.

>>3845508
Don't like all but 3 members of your party leave if you're too much of an evil asshole?

>>3845688
>Don't like all but 3 members of your party leave if you're too much of an evil asshole?
That would track, you can badly screw over at least 2 that I know of. I just haven't seen how it plays out. Another anon told me some evil dialogues, like specifically with Deionarra, if you tell her the truth, it doesn't have the impact you expect because she doesn't hear you or something.

Is a Strength playthrough of this game worth it?

>>3844369 (OP)
You don't get writing like that anymore.

>>3845739
Yes, but throw some points into wis.

>>3845424
FORTUNE ABANDONED YOU THE MOMENT THAT I FOUND YOU, HAG

>>3844369 (OP)
>What can change the nature of a man?
Latina pussy

>>3845825
I can still hear it years later

>>3845739
My favorite playthrough was as a lawful good fighter with high STR, WIS, CHA. Oh yeah, it’s paladin time. Never told a single lie or performed a single chaotic act.

>>3845739
I'm doing one right now even though its supposedly sub-optimal >>3845755
is right just put some points into WIS and it still goes well
I know the nameless one has had many lifes and all that but for some reason he doesn't really strike me as a wizarding type
I generally like punchy characters and the fist irons that you find in the mortuary were the weapons that Annah found on your corpse in the xaosman den, I've been having a lot of fun with that

>>3845959
>I'm doing one right now even though its supposedly sub-optimal
It IS suboptimal but that's because spells are just retardedly strong.

>>3845969
I'll just let the gith and the burning man cast them

>>3845974
Sure, but suboptimal doesn't mean bad, it just means it's not the best option.

>>3845739
The reason everyone says to build an INT/WIS/CHA character is because this is much less a fighty game as it is a talky one, and those stats give you the most dialog options. Besides, Dak'kon already has minmaxed stats for his monk build.

Did we ever learn why the Practical incarnation told you not to trust Morte?

>>3846038
Morte discourages you from seeking answers past a certain point because it puts him in harm's way. He's not malicious, he wants to avoid violence, but he has to help you wherever you go. If you remember he's your slave, or even worse if you happen to be more aligned with Practical Incarnation this time around, he's expecting to suffer.

>>3846038
Apparently Morte lied and got a previous incarnation killed because of it.

>>3845969
>It IS suboptimal but that's because spells are just retardedly strong.
No, it's suboptimal because it diverts stats away from dialogue unlocking ones. People don't pick mage for the spells.

>>3846038
>>3846052
>>3846042
Morte isn't your slave, and he isn't responsible for the death of previous Incarnations. The Practical one pulled him from the pillar of skulls after he claimed to have answers for him. (It's unclear if he knew him before, or after TNO's death.) He lost the memories of his life, and could not give the answer once removed.

Practical starts abusing a sobbing Morte, but even after Practical is gone Morte has a sense that whatever he did to end up on the pillar (You need to be be a liar, traitor, or sage steering people to evil to end up on it.) has to do with TNO.

TNO did something really bad before he separated himself from his soul. On account of him not knowing the relationship between TNO, and the one responsible for his condition It's likely Morte has something to do with his life, and how he ended up in hell.

>>3846038
Supposedly the Practical Incarnation was tricked into taking Morte from the Pillar with the promise of remote access to its knowledge, but when he did that, Morte couldn't remember shit but ACTED like he could. After a while, Practical realized that all he had was a wise-ass skull following him. So "don't trust the skull" doesn't mean "he'll betray you" or anything, it's saying "he's full of shit"

>>3844373

if (this = this unironically)
then
ur bad

>>3844369 (OP)
I haven't played this game, but the cover is a ripoff of the stage makeup of Mortiis, a Norwegian dungeon synth/dark ambient artist

>>3847546
You are fucking retarded and I can't stress it enough.

>>3844369 (OP)
>What can change the nature of a man?
>"I dunno, lots of stuff really"
Absolute cinema

>>3847623
No. Absolute RPG.

I really enjoy seeing people not smart enough to grasp simple concepts talk about this game. They always, ALWAYS out themselves and it's funny every time.

>>3849068
What's your favorite in this thread?

>>3849069
OP being a faggot, as usual

>>3851334
>t. OP bumping off page 10 by pretending to insult himself, as usual

>>3851334
OP here, I was being facetious but that's literally what the game is saying. The game talks about the unspeakable crime TNO committed, and it's one of the few things Avellone has refused to ever clarify what it was he did, but the reality is the answer to that question doesn't matter. It actually could've been something completely trivial by our perspective, what matters is how it made TNO himself feel.

>>3851344
>It actually could've been something completely trivial by our perspective, what matters is how it made TNO himself feel
This is dumb and wrong and you should feel ashamed for posting this.

>>3844369 (OP)
Is there any single thing people talk about from Planescape Torment other than what they heard the Youtuber repear? "What can change the nature of a man" is a quote used by Youtubers when they are marketing and selling this game, you immediately realize the person who repeats it is a poser who probably didnt even play this game.

Why do people do this? low self esteem and insecurity in their real tastes? pathetic.

>>3851348
I know that this will be difficult for you to understand, but there are those of us here who played games and thought about them before there was Youtube, my broccoli-haired pal.

>>3851346
Belief so strong it manifests reality? In Planescape? Get outta here

>>3851348
>"What can change the nature of a man" is a quote used by Youtubers when they are marketing and selling this game, you immediately realize the person who repeats it is a poser who probably didnt even play this game.
It's literally one of the most important lines in the game said by a character you spend half the line looking for and she has asked the line to countless others with you being the first person to ever answer it satisfactorily.
So I must ask, what the fuck are you on about?

>>3851572
>half the line
half the game*, I meant

>>3851387
>main character is so pathologically unable to admit he was wrong that he not only ruins his own life but also deals serious damage to the universe itself
Copied from Paradise Lost.

>>3851910
>main character is so pathologically unable to admit he was wrong
You sure? Nameless one's First Incarnation deeply regretted his action. Even the Second One chastises itself for evil shit it did if you pressure it.

>>3851919
Well it's obviously just a silly theory. I like it though.
The Nameless One had committed some basic bitch sins, utterly boring in their mundanity, but he was so convinced of his own excellence that he normal sins as being beneath him. No, his sins had to be worse than anyone else's, so grievous and wrong that it was simply impossible for him to repent. So he had no choice but to do an immortality ritual with a night hag. What actually ruined him was his own pride.
The vibe I got from the First Incarnation is that he sees becoming immortal as a bigger mistake than whatever originally drove him to it. Would he really think that if he had actually started the Blood War or something?

>>3851924
>Would he really think that if he had actually started the Blood War or something?
I mean we know it's not that because for one, he's not old enough and two, the BW was inevitable because demons and devils just can't get along. You can't exect CE and LE to shake hands and agree to disagree when one wants to murderrape everything and the other wants subtle control.

>>3846445
>Assignment as a clause instead of comparison
Back to school with you, journo.

>>3851924
>>3851964
Isn't the Blood War a good thing anyway, since it keeps the demons and devils busy with each other?

>>3851977
No, it made devils and demons more active on other planes, ever eager to drag more mortals and planars to the meat grinder. Celestials may say that Blood War exists for the good of the universe, but they do that to make themselves feel important. If the Blood War ends (i think it does canonically, or does it get restarted later on?), everyone will be better off except devils and demons who will turn back into miserable fucks who bitch among themselves all the time due to the nature of their evil alignment.

>>3851977
No because they cause everyone else to be part of their shitty conflict by proxy.

>>3851346
Nta but the game is filled with characters who lament over something they did that TNO has to ask why that's such a big deal and they act like the sky was falling but no one but them cares.