Thread 3846644

Better than the original or not? I have the original but never played more than five minutes of it.

>>3846644 (OP)
It's basically as perfect as a remake can get. Exact same story, just with updated visuals and gameplay. It's a new translation from the original western release, so the lines are different from what people remember. It's supposed to be more accurate to the Japanese, with a more word-for-word approach, but some fans miss the lines from the more thought-for-thought translation that was the original release. It's one of those things where you can't make everyone happy, there's pros and cons to both approaches.

That aside, you're not going to be disappointed.

>>3846646
Alright, thanks!

>>3846647
There's also a handful of lines that have been altered slightly for "modern audiences." None of it is that big a deal, and the lines have been changed in the Japanese version of the game too, they weren't only changed in the localization. It's not really going to impact your enjoyment of the game, but that is there and I would say it's a very minor problem. Other than that though everything seems perfect and exactly what I hoped it would be.

>>3846649
Thats good to know, i'll still give the game a try though

>>3846644 (OP)
91 on Metacritic. Unironic GOTY contender.

>>3846644 (OP)
Depends on who you ask. I've never managed to get into Trails because I could never make it past the prologue in Sky FC. Been sitting on several of these games in my collection for years, and I couldn't touch them because of that.

Then I tried the demo of this remake, and now I'm playing the full game proper. Whether it's thanks to the remake, or something else, at least now I can actually start playing Trails.

I already played this a long time ago and forgot it except for the big parts.
I just started yesterday until the first big tutorial and I am thoroughly impressed already.
The little additions they did stands out a lot. Estelle was already charming before, now she's much more charming really.
I love the graphical update and how it looks, retro but modernized if that makes any sense.

9/10 so far. It shows Falcom desperately needs to fire all their current writers, which they probably will given how this game written by 3 people is being received extremely well in 2025, unlike the rest of their garbage games.

>>3846644 (OP)
See >>3847431, it even works for retards!

>>3846646
It honestly just shows how GOOD the original game was compared to modern Trails installments.

>>3846644 (OP)
It's worse than the original which was already bad anyways.

Yeah I am playing my review copy right now

Grumzz said not to buy this one.

>>3846644 (OP)
>Better than the original or not
As of now i would actually say yes. It is faithful, has a proper non-fanfic translation, good graphics, good turn-based system, you can choose between 3 different OSTs with the original included, panties are still in and Nightmare difficulty is pretty fun. Im like 10 hours in and i love it so far. Probably my personal GOTY.

let me put it this way, is there ANY reason you should play the original vs the remake?

>>3847838
Some people do prefer the translation of the original and think it has more character. Also, some of the terminology in the remake, while it can still be considered correct, is inconsistent with terms used in the rest of the series. People have also pointed out that two very minor NPCs have different names than in the original, similar, but just translated differently. People have pointed out that it's an issue because those characters also appear in future games, so if you play the remake duology and then move onto the original versions of later entries, those characters' names won't be consistent.

>>3847884
lmao sorry i just find that funny

>>3847838
The original looks better.

How is it GungHo fucked up the Grandia remaster so bad but Trails got the AAA treatment?
The camera jumping around so much in battles is a little too much for me but overall they did a great job.

Should i give this try if the orginal bored me too much after 1 hours?

>>3847838
OG with the EVO voice patch has significantly more voice acting and the art style is 10000 times better. Remake's better otherwise.

>>3847939
This is an in-house remake by Falcom. GungHo's just the publisher in the west.

>>3847884
which NPCs
Is it Anton I swear they can't have fucked up Anton

>>3847948
No you should probably go back to watching people scream on tiktok, sounds more your speed.

>>3848147
Armand and Ellie are called Areum and Aria in the remake. Also the Esmelas Tower is now called the Jade Tower, and that one could be a bit of a problem because later games in the series still call it the Esmelas Tower and that could be confusing if you aren't aware of the translation difference.

>>3848155
>Jade Tower
that's kinda gay. Do they call the sepith Jade too instead of Esmelas? That takes a chunk of the flavour out of probably the most important system in the game and the setting - I'm not really a fan of that.

>Armand and Ellie
mmm a little annoying but still pretty small characters at the end of things. Iirc I don't remember them showing up in 3rd, so it's just the cameo in crossbell that's getting impacted there, which isn't like... the worst thing?

>>3848255
Jade Tower is the actual name. The other one is fanfic.

>>3848444
I think I'd prefer consistent terminology in the series over absolute accuracy. Although I guess they'll probably keep remaking games after this so maybe they'll eventually make all the games match up again.

>>3848444
You have to remove the notion of “original” and separate it completely from the discussion of “better” which is what we’re trying to talk about here. It’s a completely different conversation.

(Jade tower isn’t the actual name either, it’s some shit in japanese)

No timeline nonsense from Kai right?

>>3848630
Reception would go form positive to overwhelmingly negative if it had anything to do with nu-Trails. This is a faithful remake, with the caveat that it has a few new quests written by the people who wrote Daybreak and Kai, and the dialogue is absolutely atrocious and serves as a reminder of how bad those games are.

>>3848630
Nah it's an almost completely 1:1 remake with the only changes being to the combat and the addition of a few new quests and some travel dialogue between Estelle and Joshua. As the other guy said though the new stuff clashes with the old because modern Falcom's writers have none of the charm of the original but thankfully it's a very small part of the game.

>>3846644 (OP)
I think the original offers a more consistent package. The remake has a lot of weird cutscenes that have bad camera/character acting and the environments vary wildly in detail. The combat isn't good in either game, but original is much more "fuck it, move on" when it's not engaging.

Honestly, I'm not sure what would get someone into the remake aside from "it's newer and 3D!" It's the same game.

>>3846646
I feel like a perfect remake would either stay more faithful in presentation and gameplay or be wildly different on purpose to act as a compliment. See Star Ocean 2 Remake and Shadow of the Ninja Remake for examples of both.

>>3847838
The originals localization is why everyone remembers Estelle so fondly. It was superior to the original Japanese script unless you're a diehard weaboo. Also there is no censorship of scenes such pic related. The remake unfortunately removed some gendered remarks and in general feels like MTL. Terminology and names have also been changed. Gameplay is much better though.

Original > Remake

>>3849311
that scene is entirely fanfic though

>>3849311
>>3849317
How does it happen in the original Japanese?

>>3849317
The sentiment of Estelle being displeased at Olivier is clear, even the reaction image is the same. While in the remake it's "Oh so you have that kind of preference? Naruhodo."

>>3849311
"diehard weaboo" is when you don't like when obnoxious infantile writing is forced into a game, I guess?

>>3849311
I think the Xseed version made too many pointless extensions/rewrites and fucked up a few lines, but the overall script is good. More than 3/4ths of lines are 1:1, and a lot of the liberal lines are just moving phrasing around to flow better in English of changing the intensity/focus of a line because Japanese isn't the same as English.

Like, I wouldn't call the made up shit a strength, but the translation is more good than bad. The new translation is mostly bad despite having a higher degree of accuracy. I think the ideal solution would be to borrow Xseed's phrasing for accurate lines and then retranslate the remainder.

>>3849326
Its not quite THAT sterile in the remake. Obviously she looks less hostile but its not just naruhodo, she is shocked. I honestly expected that any kind of reference to the original line would disappear but there is still something.

>>3849421
To be fair the eng dub gave me that impression

>>3849336
>落とし前をつける is a weirdly legal term
Lmao wut? No, that's like a thuggish way of telling someone you'll make them take responsibility for an affront. The localization maintains the tone and intent of that line much better than what is being framed as the more accurate translation.

Every time I see presumably novice Japanese learners make these comparison visuals, I can't help but feel they're just bitter that they have to experience localizations just like the rest of the peasantry, because they'd be going through at a snail's pace from constantly looking things up if they went with the source material instead. And then in an effort to display that they haven't been wasting their time, they end up convincing gullible "diehard weaboos" such as yourself that one of the most beloved localizations in the JRPG space is actually bad.

>>3849387
>>3849421
Yeah, that new line is really weird.

>>3849431
>eng dub
>trying to tone down the gay shock
I am not surprised at all.

>>3849441
holy shit what a retarded text vomit, you and the localizers who make this shit are genuinely subhuman
>The localization maintains the tone and intent of that line much better than what is being framed as the more accurate translation
>much better
definitely not lol, it's just them making sure to be consistent with how they remade her to be a psycho, all of which you for some reason completely ignore, like dude how in the absolute fuck is "achyaaa~" = "urge to kill, RISING" (god that's cringe)
>the rest
you really can't comprehend that not everyone's brain is so rotten that they need all character interactions to be hecking quirky chungus
please define "diehard weaboo" for me, very curious
>one of the most beloved localizations in the JRPG space
according to what metrics lmao, your friends on r/Falcom?
>is actually bad
I do considered infantile writing made by the narcissists who thought they were the better writer bad, yes

>>3849441
don't bother with them, trust me they don't listen to reason

>>3849472
yeah, but honestly don't even waste your time, it's just silly trolling to get your attention.

>>3849472
I struggle to believe you're actually a member of this fandom if you have this little fondness for the original games as they were presented in English.

>>3849523
The most Classic Trails fan behavior is telling people they're stupid for liking the game that's out and not the newest/untranslated game.

>>3849523
/vg/ retards spend 90% of their time explaining why they hate the games they supposedly like
Unfortunately every trails thread on /vrpg/ will overwhelmingly have crossover with those fags

>>3849698
>explaining why they hate the games
I only talked about the localization... other than that, it's a comfy, charming little game you probably won't dislike if you like JRPGs. I think I prefer the remake a bit in terms of gameplay, and although it doesn't have quite as much soul to it, it's still a comfy, very pretty, overall good game

GungHo ban game in Russia, lol.

>>3847265
Delusional.

>>3849807
Based.

>>3849807
>Most popular streamers on twitch were Russian with 500+ views while everyone else was around 5-10
So that's why...

I might get it, despite hating every trails demo I played. Kinda intrigued by the fighting system.

The stutter makes it unplayable

>>3849983
What stutter?

>>3849807
who gives a shit

>>3849983
All the time or in menus?

>>3846644 (OP)
It definitely plays better, but in terms of charm, it kind of depends on how much you can stand the modern anime paint job Falcom gave it. I'm fifteen hours in so far and I'm really liking it. Just goes to show how rock-solid Sky FC's foundation is as an idea.

>>3849994
The game has got a "hiccup" every 5-10 seconds. It's happening to other people across different GPUs
>>3850052
All the time, everywhere

They remaking this one too?

>>3850367
Sorry, no Kevin kino allowed.

>>3850278
>The game has got a "hiccup" every 5-10 seconds. It's happening to other people across different GPUs
That sucks. Is it like, after a certain point in the game? I'm around 25 hours in and I havent had any stutters. Or I guess my GPU is one of the lucky ones.

>>3850370
>Is it like, after a certain point in the game?
no, happens as soon as you launch the game, even the main menu stutters

>>3850371
PlayStation chads keep winning

>>3850370
Happened to me on my 3060 in the demo.

>>3850064
>Sky FC's foundation is as an idea.
Que?
I played the demos of all trails games and disliked them all. Shit level design, atrocious va and non existent story. (content full with ot holes and filler isn't a story)
Is this something for me? I did like the combat mechanics.

>>3850385
The first Trails game is character driven more than it's plot driven, at least until later in the game. The pace is definitely slow, and it's not like there's a lot of twists and turns. You have to be willing to go with it, to enjoy the vibe, and get to know the characters. I absolutely love the game, but you just have to know what it is and be okay with it. It's not a crazy story like Metaphor ReFantazio where you'll always be excited to find out what happens next in this story. It's a chill JRPG that rewards patience. And I think if you play the game to the end, you'll be very interested in playing the sequel.

>>3850371
Super weird, this is the first I've heard of it. Shame I don't know how to fix it.
>>3850373
I'm pretty much a tech idiot so I don't remember exactly what my card was. I think it was 4080, but either way, no stutters.

>>3850390
>It's a chill JRPG
That's fine with me, even its not too much sentiment and anime drama. The game I found worst was the one that starts in town with a male and female character. The guy has blue hair iirc. Cold steel? I don't remember.

>>3850396
The Cold Steel games are bit more anime than the older games. Trails in the Sky does feel like anime still, but not the more cringe side of anime in my opinion. I grew to love Estelle and Joshua by the end, and I became very invested in their story. I'm by no means a weeb if that helps any.

>>3850399
Ye, I think I get it. Felt like they especially went full emotion on the one I played. The other entries weren't as bad in that regard.
What's the game about, why are the guys in regular clothes so super strong? Is it like ff, teen friends save the world?

>>3850445
Estelle and Joshua were raised by Cassius Bright, "the Devine Blade", who is known all over for his fighting skills. In the game, they join the Bracer Guild, a non-governmental mercenary guild that takes on jobs to help people. It gets bigger than that, but it starts out very small, like you'll be going to a farm to clear out monsters or whatever. There's obviously more to it than that, and it evolves into such a grand series, but the beginnings are so small and humble.

>>3850449
Pretty cool start. Stereotypical? Sure. Sounds good, I like it so far.

>>3850454
There is sort of a nostalgic feeling to it, and kind of wholesome too. I really like the game and the series as a whole. I hope you'll give it a shot and see if you like it.

>>3850457
I think I will. How long is it?

>>3850466
It depends, because a lot of people love talking to every NPC. The hallmark of the Trails series is that almost every NPC in the game has a name, and even has their own story that will advance as you advance throughout the adventure. It's totally optional, but a lot of people get a kick out of that. I haven't finished the remake myself yet, but for the original game if you do the story and a lot of the side quests it'll probably be maybe 40 hours. The remake might be a little bit longer because it has voice acting so you won't be clicking through as fast.

>>3850468
>own story that will advance as you advance throughout the adventure
Hard to believe. That would be the only rpg that does it. If the npc stories are interesting, why not? Just talk to them (multiple times)?
>va
Idk, often enough very bad.
>40 hours
Really? Thought they are long af. Ng+? The game has no classes, but a sphere grid like ffx, right?

>>3850469
Might be more like 50 depending on your how you play. I can't remember exactly how long it took me to beat the original but it's definitely shorter than something like Persona 5.

The NPC stories are nothing too intricate. It's just extra world building. Like there's a guy who likes a girl, and you can check in on him after a story beat and see how his love quest is advancing. It's totally skippable, but it's cool it's in there.

The spheres you've seen aren't like a sphere grid. The orbment system is kind of like materia in Final Fantasy. You can slot in different quartz to increase stats and give your characters different magic abilities. The actual leveling up is traditional.

>>3850474
Sounds good enough to me. That's a defining trope in jrpg and I like it. AFAIK yakuza games have such substories all the time.

>>3850499
Yakuza's side stories are really little side missions where you perform tasks and beat up guys for rewards. Trails does have side quests, but the NPCs whose stories you can follow is just a little touch that you can completely avoid if you want, but a lot of Trails fans really appreciate that it's there.

But anyway, it's a really high quality game, so I hope you like it.

>>3850501
Really? Literally no side quests? Very interesting. Still 60h to beat, huh.
Is there new game plus?

>>3850527
No no. There's side quests, but the thing I described about every NPC having a name and a story doesn't lead to any side quests. It's just an extra thing. Side stories in Yakuza games are actual side quests.

>>3850370
>>3850371
put your game in win 8 compatibility mode. are you all tech illiterate?

>>3849421
It's the 3d models reactions over the anime faces keeping me away. Otherwise it look really good.

>>3850568
Why would a brand new game need to be in Windows 8 compatibility mode. Are the devs stupid?

which trails game has the best romance?

>>3850371
If you're on AMD try DXVK.

>>3846644 (OP)
This is perfect for me, since I haven't played this game since it's original PSP X-Seed release. I only remember the ending cliffhanger, so this game feels brand new as some things come floating back
I'm gonna have to resist the temptation of immediately jumping to SC after I finish though, since I never played that game and I know it's getting a remake.

>>3850642
You definitely should resist the temptation, because not only is the second remake coming out soon, but in the original versions, and I assume in the remakes as well, the second game will read your finished save data from the first game, and it'll know what side quests you did in the first game, and there might be some extra dialogue when you meet those characters again in the second game.

>>3850370
It's a memory leak. When I first bought it, it forced my laptop to crash and restart. I had to fucking use a fucking steam emulator to fix it. What the fuck.

>>3850568
thanks, tech-support jeet, seems to work!
>>3850606
I'm playing on an Intel B580, however the bug crops up for any brand. I hope an official fix is put out soon

>>3850367
I don't see why not. If SC is already in development (enough to where they had a teaser ready in this game), then I don't see why they wouldn't finish the trilogy.
I never played 3rd. Why is Estelle more girly? Did they ruin the best girl?

>>3849421
Dammit, the new graphics make Estelle nowhere near as expressive as she was in the original. She had so many different expressions for her dialogue back then.

>>3850545
Do the games have replay value? Postgame?

>>3850652
The original had new game plus but I never tried it out. I mean the primary draw of these games really is the story, so if you're going to replay it, it would probably be to see the story again or maybe do side quests that you missed. There's no postgame, the story ends and the credits roll. The structure of the game doesn't really lend itself to a postgame. Also the side quests are usually missable, they'll expire if you advance past certain points in the main story. These games are all about the story and the world and that's why a lot of people love them.

>>3850654
Linearity isn't bad per se. If it aids the story, I favour it, as open world are all empty.

>>3850642
Ignore what the other anon said. Play the original SC. It's one of the best games in the series. You can play the remake afterwards and trust me, the original will have way more soul then the remake. The remakes have changed the script where Estelle is no longer a tomboy bent on destruction and other things...

>>3850691
English SC is pure fanfiction.

>>3850712
And that's the best part!

>>3850367
Star door 15 will not even exist. Mark my words.

>>3849421
>>3850064
Should I play this if I really liked the original as someone who doesn't like the typical modern JRPG? I'm looking at these screenshots and there's just nothing to them that interests me. The models are unexpressive and the dialogue doesn't convey even a tenth of the amount of personality and charm. I hate when characters all speak in that same singular "translation voice", if that makes sense.

>>3850786
As someone who's played the series since 2011 and hasn't particularly liked the direction it's taken post-Zero, I'd say so. Again, it mostly amounts to Sky having a solid foundation as a game.

holy shit, I can't believe I have played Sora no Kukseki twice without fast travel

I WILL be buying the Estelle bikini DLC

>>3850879
Yeah, the addition of fast travel is an unquestionable improvement over the original. It's gonna be an even BIGGER improvement in the eventual SC remake.

>>3850881>>3850879
She looks like a generic npc this time around with the art direction
>>3849311
Looked more distinct here. If your making a traditional rpg grandia popolocrois the characters have to be charming otherwise the games a slog.

>>3850885
In SC I skipped a lot of side quests just because I didn't want to spend all that time running around, so I'm excited for that.

Whoever said this game was 40 hours is a liar. I'm on chapter 2 and pushing 40 hours.

>>3850895
I've got 162 hours on SC. Even if you rush it and don't grind at all 1st Chapter will be +80h

>>3850885
I thought that was a portrait of Rean for a second.

>>3850917
Well, it IS the Cold Steel illustrator handling all the 2D art. Thankfully, though, there's a lot fewer samefaces and middle bangs involved.

>>3850918
>middle bangs
Huh?
>gal
Ackshually very good graphics and lightning. This unity?

>>3850960
In-house engine, the Falcom Developer Kit

>>3850960
These.

>>3850652
the postgame is Trails in the Sky SC and Trails in the Sky the 3rd

>>3850881
Brother, you can do much better and for free.

Finally made it to chapter 3. I called the chapter 2 culprit right away but didn't expect things to escalate that much. What a ride.

>>3851114
Glad you're having fun!

>>3846644 (OP)
>everyone raving about the game and loving it
>those figures
Grim. Do Trails games just not do well on PC?

>>3851140
bro
are you retarded

Welcome to jrpgs that aren't final fantasy or Persona 5. This is a niche board

>>3851055
Now show the sexy tita outfit

>>3851147
sadly this is the reality of jrpgs on pc

>>3851140
Apparently on the asian side of steam it peaked at 14k. And I heard that this is the best numbers Trails game has ever seen but I couldn't verify that.

>>3851140
Game is very slow and there's already been a bunch of good JRPGs recent. It's just not interesting enough to make me want to play a third.

>>3851175
Yes, the combined peak was just above 19k. It was hugely successful on PC. The western number is also twice as high as the second-highest peak in the series.

>>3851175
wait. all-time peak figure is not global?

>>3851198
>JRPGs recent.
Like what? E33?

>>3851204
Falcom's retarded. They have 2 different localizers, so there's 2 different versions. One for non-JP Asia, one for Japan and the west. The combined count is nearly 20k concurrent.

>>3851055
where can I find this?

>>3851208
There's an explanation behind this arrangement, though. Clouded Leopard Entertainment was founded by ex-Sony of Asia staff, who localized the Cold Steel titles for Falcom back in the day. Meanwhile, western publishing became a bidding war between various publishers in the mid-10s. Prior to that, it was mostly XSeed handling Falcom's stuff - largely cause no other small publisher cared enough.

honest question because honestly I've been trying out a lot of games recently and I'm starting to get burnt out because of this but how is trails community? any known schizos?

>>3851358
on 4chan? Like 80% schizos.
I wouldn't talk about the games here.

>>3851358
Oh, it's got plenty of schizos - especially on here. Stay away from any and all localization discussions. Stage 4 leukemia is less cancerous than that shit.

>>3851358
Many good users get drowned out by 1-2 legitimate chaos agents that dedicated their lives to destroying every trails thread. I wish we had self moderation.

Does it have that weird half action half turn-based combat system that Trails Through Daybreak and its sequels had? because that never quite clicked with me.

>>3851359
>>3851360
>>3851361
for fuck sakes is there anything they wont ruin?

>>3851368
Yeah, but it's a lot more straightforward in this game. The controls aren't a total clusterfuck.

>>3846646
>>3849311
How did they handle the main villain in the remake? I think his name was Richard? In the original I remember one of the last scenes the main women of the cast confronted him and basically said he was a misogynist. It stuck out because of how out of left field it was and I always wondered if that was translator changes or true to the OG script.

>>3851161
i have them but they keep getting deleted either by mods or the menhera modders themselves
>>3851214
i guess this board and thread is niche enough to keep normalfags at a minimum, so go to loverslab. you have to register though.

>>3850367
They really need to remake this one at least so that the entire series could be playable on PS5. I know they're all on Steam and you can run them on a modern laptop, but not everybody wants to play games on a PC. Having the entire series playable on one console would be great.

>>3851442
>you have to register though.
I am not registering, those accountwall faggots need to KTS (but I have scooped out a nice 4K textures mod at nexusmods)

>>3851391
You're misremembering something, Richards second in command is a woman. There is a scene where the Queen of Liberl calls his way of thinking outdated saying he views women in power as a sign of weakness. But then you realize Richard was right about everything and the series goes on to prove him right.

>>3851468
you complain about registering on a modding site but have an account on nexus? i will never spoonfeed again. this is what you get for wanting to help an anon getting some better mods.

>>3851358
People are telling you about the anti-fans, but Trails threads are also overrun with hardcore brand warriors who throw a shitfit if you criticize damn near anything, as well as company-defenders for *each* company involved with the series. It's a mess. You can't be positive OR negative, you'll get screamed at either way.

>>3851575
pretty much. those threads both on /v/ and /vg/ are just 99% infighting. it does not matter about what. it is always just fight fight fight fight. and if there is five minutes of clarity, some schizo starts calling everyone pedos again and fighting continues. terminally online anons might be worse off than social media addicts.

>>3851525
No, silly weeb, I don't have an account for anything, that mod can be downloaded by anybody. You have not spoonfed me anything since I have not earned anything through our little exchange

>>3851580
>Play the Sky games
>Have some issues with them
>Try to talk about it online
>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>Play Calvard games
>Enjoy them more than I expected
>Try to talk about it online
>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

I can't win.

>>3851589
my bad, paisen

>>3851580
I pretty much only use this board to talk about games these days. Some /vg/ threads are still fine but /v/ is a normalfag cesspool. It got really bad over the past decade. I remember moot saying that c/v/cks had the lowest IQ users but little did he know how bad things would really get.

>>3851615
Josette as Amelia.
Walter as Naga.

>>3851596
I'm glad I'm having a good experience with the games. I just watched a YouTube video of a guy raving about the series, and he seemed so enthusiastic about it that I decided to check it out. I don't interact with "the community" at all. I'm just going through the games and loving them very much.

>>3851647
I ended up disliking most of them, but I liked a couple a lot. I'd love to actually talk about what does and doesn't work, but anyone who cares enough to have that discussion is usually just not open to it.

>>3851648
>love to actually talk about what does and doesn't work
give us your list, anonette

LMAO NSZ ALREADY OUT I REPEAT SWITCH NSZ ALREADY OUT

>>3851652
It really just comes down to stuff like "I wish Sky 1 was written a bit differently" and "I think Daybreak 2 is funny and like the combat." Not interesting on its own, I'd just like to chime in without getting boo'd.

>>3851697
What don't you enjoy about Sky 1's story?

>>3851697
I think it feels like a first draft. There's a lot of parts where it writes itself in circles to get to what it wants to do when it could cut the nonsense. There's stuff it treats like big reveals that really aren't even if you were a small child that I think handling a bit differently would alleviate.

An easy example is the game trying to get Estelle and Joshua to meet Morgan. They keep over explaining all this stuff and tying themselves into knots to explain why Schera isn't coming but then is and this and that, and it's kind of messy?

Just having the Sky Pirates leave Josette behind in the prologue when they escape makes everything smoother. Gives Schera a reason to head to Bose as well (transporting her to the prison). Gives Schera a better chance to show off how cool and based she is *and* to set up the shadowy agents helping the Capuas out (helping Josette escape in transit). Gives Morgan a much simpler initial reason to be furious at the Bracers before we learn he's more complicated than that. Etc.

Just a lot of places where the broad strokes can be tightened up so the events don't get as bogged down in minutiae. Make the meaningful details more meaningful. Maribel's "ah, you will help me with my political espionage" bit is just clunky as fuck and isn't a great way to convey her smooth operations as a discerning business woman. Game's full of stuff like that.

>>3851709
I think all your ideas wouldn't improve anything, but like - this is where you go and write your fanfic anon.

>>3846644 (OP)
I'm playing it just for the nostalgia factor since they recreated most of the maps faithfully.
Can't wait for the flying city in SC remake.

>>3851762
I hope they make the final boss in SC easier. It must've taken me half an hour to beat his last phase, and I didn't even die. Just took me forever to whittle down his health.

>>3851709
Meant for
>>3851702

>>3851723
This is exactly why I hate trying to give examples of writing problems in games. If you explain the issue but don't make up an example of how to address it, you get heckled to make one. If you make one, you get
>"Uhm, that's shit"
with no attempt to engage with the actual point being made.

>>3851709
But they already have a good reason to go to Bose: The bracer training.
And Morgan being furious at Bracer's by default is part of his character. Giving him a reason to hate Estelle and Joshua specifically would undermine that. Just like how leaving behind Josette would undermine the Sky Pirates' writing cause then they wouldn't work as tightly knit family taking care of each other.

>>3846644 (OP)
Fun and exciting fact
Josette in her disguise wears white panties (with a bow!) but in her sky pirate outfit instead wears black panties!

>>3849441
why are you expecting a "NO LOCALIZATION :(:(:(:(" retard to actually know japanese at even a beginner level

>>3849523
i see schizos like you finally found their way into here as well, huh. go suck troonslation dick somewhere else.

Just finished it. Did anybody catch all the hints about Alba the first time they played? They give a pretty big one at the first tower with Joshua getting a headache, but the game is so long that it's so easy to forget that.

Now I'm having the exact same reaction I had when I beat it on PSP, except now I can immediately jump to the sequel, or wait again for the remake. Will the OG SC be tough to play if I'm used to all the remake additions?

Every time I ask if some of the shit design from the original is still present I get ignored so I'm just going to assume the game is still full of shit design and a new coat of paint isn't going to fix that.

>>3852641
What about crossdressing Joshua? Can I use that for the rest of the game?

>>3852738
I would highly recommend waiting for the remake. Yes there's the remake additions, but also the second game reads your save data from the first game, and remembers what side quests you did, and there's some NPC dialogue that will be different when they remember you helped them out in the first game.

>>3852767
Yeah I know about that. I can easily just download a completed save file from the OG and use it for SC if I can't wait
I did everything I could on Remake, and all I missed was 2 friggin chests somewhere, 2 early game enemies, and the last money/battle achievements.

>>3852809
I see. Well I'd still wait for the remake because Falcom churns these games out really quickly. If you have to wait longer than a year I'd be shocked. I don't think it would feel right to go from a brand new game to a sprite based game that's supposed to be the climactic sequel.

>>3852759
No. Everything else is unlocked but that. You get the bathrobe outfits for both and the maid outfit for Estelle after beating the game.

How's the NG+ with raised enemy levels?
Feels like you are still way too strong for that to matter, so it's more about the fights not ending in 1 turn.

>>3852924
It should start getting tough later in the game.

>>3852936
Hope so. Math says that the further I get, the bigger the effects of Nightmare multiplier will be, but by endgame your characters are so busted that I only expect the final boss to be challenging with the perma rage at half health.

>>3846644 (OP)
I used to love these games but I took a break and played other stuff and then came back and I couldn't stand them. It's like everything about them is just designed to waste as much of your time as humanly possible.

They take 2, 3, sometimes even 4 games to tell a story any other JRPG could manage in 1. And the characters and the world arent actually deep enough to compensate for this. The worldbuilding of Trails is just as generic and puddle deep as 98% of JRPGs is but theres just a lot of games so people get tricked into thinking it isn't. The characters are also just thin collections of anime tropes with no real depth, except they take 400 hours to have their "epiphany moment" where their character does a complete 180 instead of 20 like other JRPGs.

The combat has potential but Falcom are extremely lazy devs who don't actually utilize any of it at all so it ends up being completely brainless. The level and world design is also the dictionary definition of the bare minimum.

The series is just slop and while I do sort of have fond memories of my time with it I can't really in good conscience call it a good series anymore.

>>3852987
>The combat has potential
Dunno about you, but shit like the delay loops, watching the enemy do a fancy S-craft animation only for GUARD to pop up, and suddenly getting 4 turns when I had only one queued originally never fails to make me smile.

>>3852987
>/fg/got poster

I moved on to SC and I'm struggling. Gonna take a bit for me to adjust to the lack of QOL additions. Might use a spoiler free guide just to not miss sidequests and items.

>>3853975
If you are thinking about beating the prologue on Nightmare, think again. It's possible but requires either FC carry-overs or grinding.

woke game

>>3849472
This.
>>3849441
You're a disgusting faggot, begone.

>>3853975
which QOL additions are you referring to? I've found that the PC TiTS games have frankly excellent menus

>>3855215
But wokies reinforce gender roles.
Also it's a 90s anime thing, I had seen this kind of "play where everyone is crossdressing" from 3 different shows.

>>3855215
that line is in the original game and her point is that they wanted to dress up just cause it was funny but used some cliche academic excuse to sell it to the faculty
of couse you just wanna shitpost though

>>3855215
Disingenuous faggot, that's out of context. She's saying that's what she told the school brass to get the play approved.

I was going to play through the original games after I'm done with the 1st Chapter remake. It'll give me a more objective view of what the remake did right and wrong.

Plus, I've got nothing else to play except old games until the SC remake, so might as well.

Help, I'm playing SC and just reached chapter 3. Who should I use in my party? I hate decisions like this because it takes me forever to decide. I loved how FC forced party members in until the finale, now I have to choose between Zane, Tita, Khloe, and Olivier and I'm spiraling.

>>3855962
lol be less autistic. Dumb broken-genetics anon

>>3855962
I always liked having Khloe in the party to heal. Tita's ability to hit multiple enemies with one attack is very helpful as well I think.

Just finished the remake, my first Trails game. Really enjoyed it, the ending is a kick in the teeth in a good way, I hope that the sequel comes out soon.
A detail I liked though was that practically everyone was attractive, unless they were meant to be old or actually ugly. Practically every girl has big bouncy boobs. It was so refreshing.

>>3856032
Even the flat girls get big bouncy boobs over time

>>3856007
Fuck you, you're here too jackass.

I had a lot of trouble with the fishing minigame in the 3rd.

>>3856032
>A detail I liked though was that practically everyone was attractive, unless they were meant to be old or actually ugly. Practically every girl has big bouncy boobs. It was so refreshing.
The West has fallen.

I can't decide what party member to pick. I quit. I'll just watch a let's play.

>>3856032
I'm sorry you experienced the inferior version, but the sequel is out right now as a matter of fact.

>>3856525
You are quitting at the last dungeon?

>>3856788
Well I told a little lie there, I HAVE played the original for around ten hours before dropping off. Not because it was bad necessarily, but the remake's combat felt better to me personally. Similarly I am of the type that hates skipping out on interesting secrets so the remake's system of actually showing these things on the map was better for me. In general I'm all for the QoL stuff the remake has.
It is a shame that the writing wasn't quite as spicy as the original, but I will rather have a translation that is closer to the original japanese just in general. I'm not retarded enough to call the original version's translation "fanfic" like some might say, it's just different.
And I know that this post will just make you butthurt or something and I do apologize for that, but I can't with good conscience call the remake "inferior". At the very worst it is a sidegrade to the original, depending on the person.

>>3856811
the writing is closer to the original...until you reach scenes that Falcom censored themselves. And in general the games dialogue feels like MTL when you compare it to the original localization. In many scenes.

I genuinely believe it's a tragedy that people have to listen to Liberl being pronounced as LIBERAL and not seeing Estelle call Olivier a faggot. I encourage you to play SC, I know a person that did jump from the remake to SC and was pleasantly surprised.

SC's remake from the few screencaps I saw already made Estelle wear spats in her second outfit when she canonically wore a skirt, and there are even jokes about her showing off her goods by accident in that game. SC remake will be even less faithful than 1st, you have been warned.

also no chest messages for you either.

>>3856817
Gosh I love chest messages so much
The games got so much worse when they were removed

I just finished the original FC with the voice mod, after putting off this series for years because everyone said it started slow and takes a million hours, but I really enjoyed it. I finished around 50 hours but I did a lot of needless back-tracking to check things.

SC is supposed to be much longer which is daunting but I'm pretty curious about how the story develops, so I might just dive in. This game reminds me a little of the original xenoblade chronicles, with all the npc development stuff.

All that being said, thank god for the inclusion of turbo-mode, and having it not affect the music.

>>3858497
Congrats, SC is longer and at times it overstays its welcome but it is the pay-off game. Falcom usually does set-up games and then pay-off games. And that's when shit usually hits the fan. So you definitely wanna play it. Some consider it the best one in the franchise. I like FC more but SC is superb and a must play.

Also don't feel pressured to do every single side-quest. Game is long enough. Skip em for better pacing.

>>3858556
Thanks for the tip. I'm in the prologue right now and I plan on doing as many quests as I encounter but we'll see how I feel as things move on.

It doesn't carry over your recipes though!

I'm on chapter 8 of SC after beating 1st chapter remake, and Estelle has much better lines in this game, or maybe it's this translation. And holy shit Olivier is much hornier, making come ons to everyone. He didn't do this as much in !st chapter, or they changed it.

>>3849336
holy fuck the english localization is way fucking better.

>>3858556
>Also don't feel pressured to do every single side-quest. Game is long enough. Skip em for better pacing.
GAAAAAAAAYYYYY
do all the sidequests and talk to all of the rando npcs as much as you can take. This improves the experience greatly

>>3856817
It feels like MTL because it is. The other company Falcom has handling their Chinese and Korean localizations also uses MTL and people have complained about it for years.

>>3858907
>this lost cat quest really enhances the worldbuilding
No, I've saved so many cats I could start an animal shelter.

>>3858890
It's the localization. The failed writers at XSeed took a lot of liberties.

>>3858890
if you played the remake you did not play sky

I love how Estelle reacted to Alba's grand reveal that he was the main villain
He even had a cheesy moment playing the organ to do the reveal, and Estelle just went "yeah I already knew it was you from your voice."
She wasn't impressed in the least. Best MC.

I made it to the final chapter of SC. Bros what the FUCK!
Olivier was the goddamn prince? I thought his reveal was gonna be some expert knight or something after Joshua recognized him, how did I not see this coming?
I love this game.

>>3846644 (OP)
My recommendation is to get the original, get the undub patch, get someone's finished save file from gamefaqs, carry nothing over, and start NG+ on Nightmare.

I'm playing 3rd right now. I think it's weird that there's a side story where you play poker against characters that aren't even from the game.

>>3862108
I'm playing it too. The Moon doors are far too long.

Some doors are legendary, don't skip Star door 15, post reactions.

>>3862456
They are, but I do like some of the stories. What I do is just wait until I'm in the mood for one.

I'm getting conflicting information from fans of this franchise as to what games I should play after 3rd. If I go by release order it'd be Trails from Zero and Azure, but people are telling me to play Cold Steel games first even though they came out after.

>>3862571
If you really would want to play it in order of timeline then it should be CS I then Zero or vice versa, then CS II and then Azure.
But I recommend just playing in release order.

Just finished a Nightmare new game run. It's goated.
>>3862571
You're a fucking retard if you don't simply use logic to determine you should play in release order and ignore 4chan trolls.

>>3854132
>either
Haha no it absolutely requires cookie ingredient grinding.
You are not beating that shit without cookies to throw.

I'm playing 3rd and just finished chapter 7
Holy FUCK. Poor Kevin

>>3854132
>>3863454
I tried Nightmare and found it boring. Everything is a tank and you have to spam arts, physical characters get nothing. Just wasn't fun as the remake which is much better balanced. The 3rd was the first game to actually have it be balanced.

>>3863506
Physical characters are best used to apply ailments, impede, or delay. You can support them by increasing their speed and it makes a ton of difference, especially if you can steal all the turn bonuses.

>>3863506
You didn't beat the game if you didn't beat it on Nightmare.

>>3863654
Cool.

>>3862458
That was horrifying and genuinely depressing. There was no light in Renne's past holy shit
People built it up as sad but that was an understatement. No way they don't censor it heavily in the remake.

>>3863926
It's kind of up in the air as to how they will handle it. Minor spoiler: They reference in directly in the most recent arc, meaning at least in the mainline, non remake games it's still relevant. If they want the narrative to remain the same without any plotholes after the remakes they would have to leave it the same.

>>3863975
In every rerelease of 3rd, they heavily censored it. Steam is the only version that has the original cutscene, every other version, including EVO, starts it with Joshua and Loewe rescuing her, and she's covered with a blanket so you don't see the scars. You don't get anything before, so it's censored while letting you figure out what happened, but nowhere as heavy as the original

I beat Trails in the Sky the 3rd. I can't believe people were telling me to skip this game, this was the best story yet. Had me leaking when I said to say bye to these guys.
I hope the writing stays this strong because from what I saw of Cold Steel I don't like it. It looks very cliche.
On to Zero.

>>3864100
Zero and Azure stay mostly the same, with my personal favourite cast.

CS1 has a noticeable change in writing, but still sort of gets a pass from being novel and super comfy. It doesn't feel bad, but feels like it's trying to appeal to a "newer" audience. AFAIK the lead writer or developer stepped into a different role starting in CS, so the style and narrative definitely change.

I think each arc is filled with tropes, but the tropes match whatever is popular in other games at the time. Sky is more late 90's/00's anime, Zero is a little more modern, and CS tries to appeal to the harem/powerfantasy route.

I think the narrative starts to fall apart at the end of CS2, and then you really have to decide if you're invested to play through CS3/4/Rev and further. If you're hooked, take a break between the ColdSteel games. They're super long and worth playing, but super easy to burn out on back-to-back.

I'm hyped for you tho, Crossbell is peak comfy.

>>3864099
Oh man I had no idea. The scene I was thinking of- the little intermission vignette in Daybreak II detailing some of Renne's backstory was definitely cut down, but I figured that was for timing and pacing. I never considered that it might gloss over details from being censored. It's strange though, it almost feels like the game wants the original intent and reaches to reference it without the problematic-ness of actually acknowledging it happened. I suppose thats the least of Trails' writing issues though.

>>3864105
>AFAIK the lead writer or developer stepped into a different role starting in CS, so the style and narrative definitely change.
It wasn't the lead writer - it was Toshihiro Kondo stepping down as director to focus more on executive duties.

>>3862571
Easy guide, Zero and Azure and Coldsteel 1 & 2 happen roughly around the same time in the universe. Release order is superior but it's possible to do it the other way, if for some reason you want to play the 3D games and go back. I did that after Zero because I personally don't like Crossbell and had a great time.

I don't get why people say Estelle isn't a fun protag without the XSeed script. Sure, she's a bit more tropey and straightforward, but still plenty good.

>>3864439
why are you posting the remake, and the english version at that, that's also an altered script

>>3864270
>>3864105
You're giving too much credit to individuals - it was a conscious decision by the entire production team to shift more towards the style of popular battle harem anime at the time, as well as their intention for Cold Steel 1 to be an approachable "entry point" to the series for people who hadn't already played through 5 other games - both of which stemmed from a desire to sell to larger market.
>>3864100
Crossbell is sorta neat. The fact that you have 2 whole games based around the same geographical area makes it rather different in feel from FC and SC where you're always on the move. Most of the characters are pretty solid Elly gets shafted plot-wise and ends up being about as bland as Kloe or Julia, but she has huge tits so people forgive her.
I'll warn you about probably the most jarring thing that affected me early on (aside from the changes to the quartz system, which Zero at least is an okay transition to the more drastic changes in Ao and especially Cold Steel).
The camera.
Does not fucking rotate any more.
This will feel awful for a bit.
You'll get used to it, and they do get some benefits from having a fixed camera angle in making dramatic environments / angles, but it will take a while for sure if you're just coming off the Sky games.

Oh and the UI is substantially worse than Sky's because it was made for handhelds. That'll suck a bit but it's not bad enough to ruin the game or anything.

>>3864439
Estelle is the best female protagonist in the Xseed localization. She's just good in the JP

Hol up, did the brothel owner think Renne could grow a penis if the pedophile wanted a boy?

I tried a little bit of the demo and holy fuck they need an editor. Feels like they could cut half of the dialogue before you enter the sewers and no information would be lost, while being less cringe. Also weird to infodump you a bunch of bullshit about whatever they call the materia equivalent in this game and go as far as make you unlock a slot before you even know if the game is turn based or not, or just what kind of game it is in general. Maybe the demo should have started with you already inside a dungeon to sell it better, and then do all the generic anime story bullshit later because the combat is fun, will probably buy.

Do any of you niggas know if there's a mod that removes the spats from every female outfit? They look like shit.

>>3864105
>Zero is a little more modern, and CS tries to appeal to the harem/powerfantasy route.
The Crossbell games have been in English long enough and retards still try to peddle this shit.

I've almost 100%'d all the doors in 3rd. But I'm not going to bother with the harder difficulties of the coliseum or the quiz game. You only need to do the first difficulty to unlock Star Door 14, and I don't think you really get anything else super important for fully completing those last two sun doors.

[TERRIBLE NEWS] I heard that making Tita's Zemurian weapon in 3rd was a good idea, but I accidently used my last ore to make the other kind of gun instead. I gave it to Josette. I think she mostly sucks but at least her gun's good now.

>>3866161
If you want go fight doppelgangers in the abyss for a chance at dropping weapons that are just a bit worse than the zemurian ones. You don't really need to though and it's grindy.
The only one that'd actually be a waste to make is Anelace's because she essentially gets an ultimate weapon for free (but you could just give that to richard anyways so like....)
>>3866059
Faggot. Especially if you're not playing on Nightmare.

>>3866618
I did end up doing the hard mode on the arena but I couldn't be bothered to do the nightmare arena.

>>3846644 (OP)
I can't wait for the whole Sky Trilogy to be remade if the first was this good.

is the fishing in the remake like the newer games? i never fished up until ao or zero (can't remember) because there was no real rewards that i wanted out of it

>>3862571
release order dude

>>3847838
if you want to play the whole franchise it's better to start with the original so you can see how the gameplay and such has evolved

>>3869489
No, but the game only gives you 10 opportunities to catch a fish and there's really no point as all of the fish can be purchased cheaply. You don't get any rewards except the fish itself.

>>3846649
>None of it is that big a deal,
You'd be surprised, what is "progressive" today could be "problematic" tomorrow.

>>3866059
>with the harder difficulties of the coliseum
Missing out. They have the best battles in the game. Culminating with fighting Cassius and Loewe at the same time.

why do people hate the Daybreak games?

>>3869639
plot is very mid so far

>>3869639
The series lost a lot of goodwill with CS 4 onwards, so people are less likely to enjoy the fun parts and more likely to hyperfocus over the bad/stupid parts
also fuck time travel

This fucking bitch

>>3870030
Don't talk about my wife's rival like that!