Thread 3855257

What are some non-TES RPGs that let you run a viable spellsword build? Too many games separate out the magic and melee classes, so I'd like to play one of living out my fantasy of a glass cannon agile wizard knight.

Spellsword is a gay retard archetype for gaytards

Baldur's Gate lets you dual class.

>>3855257 (OP)
Oblivion and Skyrim do it best. Morrowind is okay, but you have to switch between casting and equipping weapons.

>>3855257 (OP)
Wizard had tons of close combat enchanting spells in Pillars of Eternity, a cipher class is pretty much a spellsword
PoE 2 its even better in that regard since you can multiclass
PF games have magus

>>3855264
That's bard

>>3855257 (OP)
Kingdoms of Amalur, with a caveat. The fighter-mage "multiclass" is very defensive, has bonuses for defense and regenerates mana on hit. Which makes killing with this class take longer than usual. It's still fun slinging spells around and smashing shit with hammers in melee. Say what you want about this game, but combat is still fun in it.
But personally, I found the rogue-mage multiclass the most enjoyable. You will wield daggers and staves in melee, or throw the chakrams around. This class has no bonuses for the bow, it's a waste to stay in ranged. This class is a pure glass-cannon, leaving enemies bleeding, crippled, burning, frozen, shitting out damage while wearing rogue armor and mage attire, and using some of the funnest weapons in the game.

>>3855270
mate, his only caveat was non-TES.

>>3855257 (OP)
The obvious answer is dark messiah.
Aside from that one, it really depends on what you're willing to call a spellsword.
Is a bard's tale magic enough to fulfill the spell in spellsword? Debateable.
Are you specifically looking for dexfags? Because games like dragon age origins let you do very melee mages but they're tanky cast-in-your-face types
Multiclassing is perfectly viable in most dnd derived games, playing magus in owlcat games is mainly dexfaggotry and I'm pretty sure it's fully viable in bg3 as well.

>>3855257 (OP)
I've yet to see a good magic system. Best so far is really morrowind. Magic systems where you can customized spells or rather effects are a must. Mepfs acid ball, wtf. Who's melf, what's a ball of acid?

erden ringu

>>3855454
>Who's melf
Zoomers were a mistake

Dishonored

>>3855289
Bard is based chad compared to spellsword. Don't get me wrong, frontline arcane with a martial weapon is fine, but every time they try to build a class around it the heart of creation dies a little and Sigil sinks further into the abyss.

>>3855257 (OP)
Fighter Mage is the most OP class in the original BG Trilogy
But you have to play the multi not the dual

>>3855454
>Who's melf
Your mother

>>3855670
Multiclass Fighter Thief is the most OP class in the original BG Trilogy*
Fixed it for you

>>3855684
I know who he is, I just dislike the concept of (named) spells.

>>3855454
Melf is the wizard that created the spell. Kinda like people say "hand me a kleenex" instead of "hand me a tissue". This is totally on brand for wizards.

>>3855749
morrowind is full of those too

>>3855833
Melf was one of the first DnD characters, in Gary Gygax’s basement campaigns. He was Gygax’s son’s character.

>>3855834
>48 minute duration
Nice. I hate when the bonus only lasts for 20-30 seconds so you have to keep recasting your buff spell throughout the fight. Really takes you out of it.

>>3855870
Those are blessing you get from a shrine, not a castable spell. You can technically make spells that last for like 20 minutes, but it would be weak and expensive to cast. Potent buffs as a high level character might last one to several minutes (far longer than any combat)

>>3855689
Not really.
There are enemies immune to backstab.
There are encounters where you can't set traps.
There are enemies which can see you invis.
You have to meta-game and cheese to the max to set traps before bosses spawn.
And traps are boring anyway.
F/T is super strong under the right conditions, but there are sometimes where the right conditions don't exist and fighter mage just has an answer to every situation.
Anyway Berzerker -> Mage is the strongest cause he can immune the hard cc, I just recommend the multi cause he wants to play a spellsword and Berzerker - Mage devolves into a more of a mage later on.

Ranking the classes is kinda pointless in vanilla anyway, you can solo with almost anything, SCS is a better judge.

>>3855315
i cannot for the life of me tell what the fuck is going on with this guy's right arm
where is it??

>>3855257 (OP)
Based and Gish Magus pilled. Bump. Also Dragons Dogma 1 or 2 with the mystic knight mod plus true warfarer mod penultimate action rpg gish experience lies here.

>>3855466
FROMSLOPPA BEGONE!

>>3856063
Meh. SCS is tough until you figure it out and then you just need different cheese to counter their scripted cheese.

>if you don't use all the tools available it's not that good
Well, no shit. Pure BG1 fighters and rangers are kings until pretty much endgame and f/t are better fighters that can scroll just as well as any mage on that level. Tutu or whatever BG1 you can't really beat ranger/cleric. Honorable mention to cleric/thief and among other things sanctuary sneak attack bullshit.
Pure BG2 casters come online but arcane ones don't get skins and bugs which will let you no brain most of the game. Vampkids and gollems BG2 loves to throw your way do fuck with your sneak attack but there are ways around that as you more than likely know already. Gishes can work perfectly fine tho, no argument. Hell, if you look at any contemporary talk about BG2 it's mostly kensai gish self masturbation.
ToB? Shit, anything is broken in ToB.

Arcane Warrior-Blood Mage in Dragon Age.
Solo the game.

>>3856080
Paladin is the best gish strategy in bg 1/2 if yku want to consider Palidin a spellsword. BG3 literally added a "blade dancer" subclass to the wozard which is a literal glass canon gish and is probably what OP is looking for.

>>3856141
>Paladin is the best gish
Stopped reading here.

>>3856141
I don't know what you're smoking anon or what mods you running with but hell no.

>>3856141
Anon.... Gishes are arcane casters by definition. It comes from a slang of sorts for githyanki fighters/mages. Also BG=/=BGEE=/=BG3. In BG1 they're much worse fighters, in BG2 they're worse fighters with the worst imaginable spell list coupled with extremely few slots even by endgame. In ToB they're overshadowed by clerics of literally any description even further and to add insult to injury they're not even remotely the best/exclusive carrier for their signature sword.

>>3856179
I know they're not really* gishes, but I figured they were more viable then trying to dual class fighter/mage, am I wrong there, for bg1/2 at least? BG2 was pretty* difficuklt as a pally but i thought it was just a hard game and that all classes were difficult am I wrong there also?

>>3856213
>hard game and that all classes were difficult am I wrong there also?
Nta. You could get a variety of responses.
It's a hard game for first timers, but gets easier and easier the more you know. Some players know every encounter by heart, and can cheese solo no reload just about everything. Solo can actually be easier than worrying about a whole group.
So yes the difficulty can vary wildly between players.

A bard blade kit is a spellsword who can dual wield and buff the fuck out of themselves and others with spells and abilities.
Most importantly: they can identify magic stuff.

>>3856225
Yea I fucked myself really hard and learned about the magic identifying mechanic wayyyyy to late into bg1.

>>3856213
Honest to God no bullshit intended they're one of the worst classes for vanilla or vanilla adjacent BG2 and kind mid fighters for BG1. I know EE has their superspecial mary sue blackguard but that's a different topic. Less proficiency points, no smitespamming or scaling CHA bonus saves or most immunities or shit like you'd expect from playing NWN or later games. Kits are also lackluster as you can get the same things from like a spell slot. The way rep works in BG2 you're also getting cucked from having some of the best followers since they're all evil, and while manageable if neutral they'll dump your ass ASAP if you're LG. Comparatively if you dual class a fighter that got his five + 3(2) pips into a cleric (or mage) you get a comparable to better fighter that can actually cast good spells and buff into insane fighter while paladin cries softly with his spell slots/list. A pure ranger at least has his skin spells and bugs and those pretty much trivialize most enouncters. Fireblade ain't too bad either.

First time I played BG2 I was firmly of mind that casters are not mandatory and had mostly frontloaded, frontline slashers with a half orc zerker fighter specialized in katanas because they're new. Real creative and real dumb but it was a long time ago. The only parts of the game that gave me any real trouble was the mindflayer dungeon and the demiliches in 2, otherwise it was a cakewalk.

>>3856225
Yeah, blades and their spins are pretty strong.

>>3856228
>Honest to God no bullshit intended they're one of the worst classes for vanilla
Nta. But a reminder that the differences are not big enough to matter or dissuade anyone from playing them.

Assuming normal difficulty and no challenge runs or mods. First timer might even have an easier time with a paladin than a cleric.

>>3856239
I don't disagree. Like I said I went almost completely casterless party single class fighter specialized in weapons that have precisely one good sword the entire game and didn't have issues.

>>3855257 (OP)
As other anons said, Dragons Dogma, fromsoftware games, etc etc
Also, most games based on D&D will let you do that to some extent.
Hell, Clerics are pretty much a """Gish""" in a can in 3.x games, if you don't mind their spells being "divine" in nature, which in that system is just a straight upgrade anyways.
My most beloved full warrior full (defensive) spellcaster build in Neverwinter Nights 2 was
>1 Fighter or Rogue/1 Cleric/2 Paladin/26 Favored Soul
With Kaedrin's Pack your options skyrocket.
Same goes for the first game with the PRC pack.

>>3856228
>Honest to God no bullshit intended they're one of the worst classes for vanilla or vanilla adjacent BG2 and kind mid fighters for BG1.
Disagree. BG1's level cap is too low for fighters to really take off (you could only get 3 pips in a weapon in the original game, up to 4 pips by the end of TotSC, so you're looking at a maximum difference of +2 to hit, and +1 damage, for mot of BG1.
BG2 you can get busted kits like inquisitor which trivializes mages for the rest of the vanilla game, and one of the best weapons in the game, a +5 Holy Avenger.
>Less proficiency points
True, but you can also drop two points in your chosen melee, and two points in your chosen ranged, right at level 1, and you're done. You don't need more than that, except maybe picking up something blunt for backup.
>Truesmitespamming o
>scaling CHA bonus saves
There's no CHA scaling, but paladins get a flat saving throw bonus baked in from level 1.
>Kits are also lackluster
Inquisitor is fantastic for powergaming, and cavalier is great for roleplaying.
>The way rep works in BG2 you're also getting cucked from having some of the best followers since they're all evil, and while manageable if neutral they'll dump your ass ASAP if you're LG.
This is a roleplaying choice. First, I disagree that you can't build a great party with good-aligned NPCs, but second, I could never imagine telling someone in an RPG "make X roleplaying choice because it's more powerful". Just antithetical.
>Comparatively if you dual class a fighter that got his five + 3(2) pips into a cleric (or mage)
Dual classing is a cheesy meme, and I'd never recommend it for someone in the context of a new player who doesn't know the game like the back of his hand. It's strictly for a powergamer trying to break the game. Paladin is for roleplaying.

>>3856334
You can agree or disagree with whatever you want mate but I'd double check a lot of what you're saying since you're at best sugarcoating it like you're getting payed to do so lol.

For example +2 is a hellova bonus for a game where you're creaming your pants when you get a +1 weapon and you're going to outright blackout with one of those few and literally endgame +2s. And what are you getting instead? Like two level 1 slots from a shitter cleric spell list at the END of BG1? OK, sure, good trade.
Inquisitor kit? Alright, not horrible (not sure why'd you pick it over undead hunter) and never said so but a limited use dispel and immunities to effects that aren't used too often at BG2 levels vs what zerker brings? Get real dude.

That -2 save is only in BG2+ and by then that's a drop in the bucket. Repeating what I said already and you ignored to read it's barebones SHIT compared to what you get on that class in newer games.

>I'd never recommend
Cool, you want a hug? A blowjob? Follow the replychain nig, the conversation started on what's BETTER; F/M or F/T. That anon has his preferences and I have mine and neither involve larping potential.

>Inquisitor is fantastic for powergaming
I repeat, get real dude.

>>3856334
>I disagree that you can't build a great party with good-aligned NPCs
And I never said that motherfucker. I said you cuck yourself out of some of the best party members in BG2 because they leave if you're LG. And they absolutely do. You do lose out on Aerie and Mazzy if you're pure evil as well but I'd rather lose Aerie or balance as neutral, which you can't as a paladin then depend on shitty Nalia as my go-to wizard.

>>3856363
>limited use dispel and immunities to effects that aren't used too often
Nta. Dispel and True Sight are great, and frees up spell slots for wizards and clerics.
Passive immunities to charm and hold are very convenient. Undead, demons, iirc beholders inflict it.
Get immunity to confusion, fear, level drain and it's a fairly hassle free playthrough. Good choice for a newcomer.

>>3856363
>you're at best sugarcoating it like you're getting payed to do so lol.
I’m shitposting from the gym while getting paid to shill for Big Paladin. Feels good man. Anyway, you sound mad for some reason. Peace bro.

>>3856377
Yeah that dispel is pretty nice, it's 2x your level. But, Keldorn does exist already. And you do lose on a lot of your cleric spell options. And you're going to get fucked by maze or imprisonment unlike zerker.

>>3856383
>muh rp
>akshully it's about powergaming
Sure. Eat shit baitbitch.

>>3856068
He's holding it behind him, presumably winding up a throw.
It would look better if his feet were planted parallel and if he were standing in more of an action stance. It's a really terrible drawing. 2/10 see me after class.

>>3855257 (OP)
Pathfinder has them as a baseline in the magus class which is good in bother WotR and Kingmaker.
The subclass sword saint, which is dex based instead of star, is op in Kingmaker but now quite as good in WotR for various reasons.

>>3855257 (OP)
I will be honest, when we speaks about games mechanics of utmost importance; and the player choosing which mechanics to play is the core of RPG gameplay.
So a spellsword class is, for class-based RPGs, the most retarded thing possible, for why would one not choose a spellsword? He has the best of both worlds, especially If It is a single player not-party-based RPG like Elder Scrolls.
The clear divide of vocations is what make classes matter. A hybrid classe has necessarily to be pretty average on both ends, like the red mage of ff1; or else be a very late game option, like the samurai in wizardry; otherwise, If the class excels of both, why would one not choose this option?

>>3856455
>black mage is an option
>>playing red mage

>>3856455
>for why would one not choose a spellsword?
Because they want to do something different. Different roleplay, gameplay, experience.

>>3856455
You assume you get the best of both worlds when you multiclass and that this is the case for all games. This is actually why I kind of hated the psi-nerf in underrail because it made being a regular psychic a horrid experience while bumping up the value of psi-blades/psi-gunners to absurd levels.

>>3856464
Try roleplaying someone who's not a homo.

>>3856455
Like OP said: glass cannon.
In some games, a spellsword lacks the armour and survivability of a warrior and the ranged attacks of a wizard. So you're in a dangerous place where you have to get up close to do damage but you'll get thrown around like a ragdoll.
Sword and sorcery lets you focus on the enemy's weakness.

>>3856475
What's objectively a distinction between a spellsword and what you'd consider arcane archer? I mean they both use magic to power their martial weapon. And no one is forcing the SS to be a direct meathead or AA to roleplay an artillery piece.

>>3856475
You could go the opposite way too and make a total tank with subpar offense as well.

>>3856455
You are making a lot of conclusions that are not foregone.
For one, you can have dedicated "spellsword" classes that are not just hybrids of the sword class and the spell class, but a proper third class that has their own way to do magic and hit with swords.
Korean games do that a lot.
Then, even for games where you are merging two existing classes, the final result can still come together if the underlying game mechanics were made with such in mind.
For example, say there's a game where you need STR and DEX for the sword class, INT and PWR for the magic class, then you can hybridize the two, get access to all the sword perks, all the magic perks, but you can't have all for stats, you need to choose one from the sword class and one from the spell class in such a away that your magic ends up being mostly buffing and utility, your melee ability is mostly hitting without dealing much base damage (hence the need for spells to augment it) or you suck at tripping, bullrushing, etc. Basically, sacrifice on aspect from each side to combine the other two in a way that works.
There's a lot of design space to make it work, but you do have to think about it in order to not make the hybrid class either a no-brainer or near useless.
Something like that.

>>3856479
Spellshield.
All spells use your shield as a focus. Block damage, reflect damage, shield the entire party.
Shield bash a door to magically unlock it.

>>3856484
Another option would be a dodge monkey type situation. A spellblade focused on illusions and such.

>>3856469
the psi nerf was retarded as stog, being a serb, tends to be, but it didn't do either of those things.
literally no change to psi dippers, and pure casters can still RP with the bad spells if they want to, or just use the couple best spells as usual.

>>3856485
or a goon mage
just summons anime girls to goon

>>3856551
Have you been jacking off to ai bots again anon?

>>3856481
I see, though I dont think mmorpgs and Korean games (that are all almost mmorpgs) dont really fit this problematic given their paritcularities.
>>3856469
See; this is a problem that tends to happen with a certain frequency to the point I think the separation is worth It or the juctions resulting in Very explicit and defined losses.
>>3856464
Gay
>>3856475
But isnt a Wizard a Glass Cannon? And what use is fighting melee for a glass cannon?
Well, I agree with some of you, but I still argue that hybrid classes end up being either the best of the game; or they become more of one and less of the other -- effectively replacing the exclusive class -- or they end up mediocre.
This of course Will not apply for action RPGs and whatnot because their gameplay has a lot more variety.

>>3855257 (OP)
Fighter cleric is the ultimate gish.
The ultimate form of it is BG3 eldritch knight + cleric because the spells and the combat not only stack, but round out the cleric with some essential mage spells a fighter wants like leap, longstrider, and shield.

You may disagree but you're absolutely wrong. There's never been a better blend of martial + spells that actually work with martials and don't just sit there as an option you never use in any rpg ever.

I would give the runner ups to Archaeologist Rogue Bard from Kingmaker for ridiculous versatility and dominance in so many areas of that game, Monk Lich from Wrath (because Oracle multiclassers are just crutching on their stupid op spell with just cheese for martial) and then Mystic Knight from DD.

>>3856636
>eldritch knight + cleric
Oh shit I should try that.

>>3856363
That Dispel is better than what a bard could ever put out thanks to the mechanics of how Dispel/Remove magic works. Every level you have above the "source" gives you a flat 5% over 50% baseline to dispel the effect. Inquisitor having theirs be DOUBLE their character level means that the gap between them and enemy mages only widens, basically ensuring a perfect dispel across an entire group. The only caveat being you might remove your own party's buffs.

It's so broken SCS explicitly has a component to nerf it because a single inquisitor can trivialize any spell-based encounter.

>>3856650
>Yeah that dispel is pretty nice, it's 2x your level
Sure is and at speed rating 1. Too bad it's on a one trick pony that's otherwise meh and if you want you get to have one in your party anyway.

>>3856636
>Fighter cleric is the ultimate gish
Stopped reading here.

>>3856636
>eldritch knight + cleric
On one hand, it's cool that the spellcasting stacks.
On another, it feels odd that there is no distinction between divine and arcane magic.

>>3856686
Stacking spellcasting from different classes, much less from different types of magic, is one of the most retarded things in an edition of DnD that’s chock full of retarded things

>>3856678
That one trick pony becomes very reliable as enemy encounters start leaning more and more toward magic. It's relevant from BG2 all the way to the end of ToB. Meanwhile backstabbing starts going to shit by late BG2/ToB in general.

>>3856690
Quite right. But it's not like we're talking about a single class thief, how traps among other things have their own nerfs and stipulations in not only SCS because they're broken af or if there aren't other ways to deal with casters that don't involve playing an otherwise mid class with benefits that can all be replicated, sometimes better by spells or items. Hear me out, if you're doing a party run you've got Keldorn. If you're doing a solo run you've got straight up stronger classes, especially with dual classing and as far as casters go, without SCS especially, you can shut them down with gorillion other things as well. Anything that does constant ticks of damage or microstuns will fuck their casting so there's little left to dispel. You don't get any real defence against fuck you or instagib spells like maze, imprisonment or chaos commands either.

>tob
Sure. How well does he compare to regular cleric that reached HLA levels? How about a pimped out cleric/ranger? See where I'm coming from? I never said it's unusable just that it's meh and I stand by that.

Depends on what you mean by spellsword.
If you just mean a gish, pretty much every game has one to some extent. Cleric in D&D is a gish.
If you mean the autistically specific class that channels magic through their weapon, I can't think of a single one besides maybe some vague MMO somewhere.

>>3856720
>Cleric in D&D is a gish.
Stopped reading here

Druid in D&D is a gish.

>>3856690
Nta. Assassins are pure kino in ToB.

>>3856678
>too bad it's a one trick pony that can only trivialize any encounter in the game that relies on spells or buffs
Did you actually think about that post before writing it out?

>>3856752
This bait or you really this silly?

>>3856757
I guess you really are that retarded. Not really surprised considering earlier in the post chain there was
>not sure why'd you pick it over undead hunter
kek

>what is carsomyr
Sure. Eat shit baitbitch.

>>3856690
>Meanwhile backstabbing starts going to shit by late BG2/ToB in general
Rogues move from backstabbing to traps at that point. Except shadowdancers who move to scroll wizardry if you avoid installing the gay component that forbids item usage on simulacrums, and simultaneously destroys the entire design of TOB shadowdancer without offering anything in return.

>>3856761
>spent more than a day seething about your incomplete understanding of the game being picked apart
heh

>>3856765
Don't forget that by ToB use anything comes online. And that works quite nice if you went kensai or wizardslayer for your fighter kit.

Why would you want that when the superior mage-thief combo is right there?

>>3856783
'Spelldagger' sounds retarded

>>3856783
Too strong :)

>>3856783
>mage-thief combo
>will perma invisibility steal your semen and there's nothing you can do about it

>>3856784
SHADOWBLADE!

>>3856761
>>3856766
Samefag false flag. There's no way a neutral and disinterested third party anon would wait that long to do the passive-aggressive "I'm gonna quote you but break the reply link so you get no (you) shit", and I'm this anon >>3856334, who was attempting to have a polite conversation, but dropped it after I was clearly dealing with a seething and immature retard. You'll note that my post intentionally contained no insults or shit-talking, and I already mentioned Carsomyr in my post to begin with.
Please, get help, dude.

>>3856784
Have you never heard of a shadowblade or a nightblade?
>>3856802
That's the best part. Literally do whatever you want and no one will ever suspect you.

>>3855257 (OP)
Larian's Divinity games.

>>3855584
meant to go back and finish the 2nd one. Ive restarted it many times, but still never seen it thriugh. Such good gish kino

Is there a melee class that uses only status altering spells from all schools of magic (so no damage or healing)?

>>3858056
Probably.

The problem with gishes/spellblades/eldritch knights in most RPGs is that they're balanced for gameplay purposes. They can't let you be the best at martial combat or at spellcasting, you have to hit the happy medium or else there's no point in going for anything else. Even the most egregious OP examples of the class like >>3856133
have caveats, the Arcane Warrior swinging a sword is basically a formality, they aren't as effective in melee as an actual warrior. The dream eldritch knight is a basically a boss monster that has every possible option available and RPGs don't really let you do that

>>3858056
Dragon Quest 9's Armamentalist

>>3861804
BG trilogy Fighter Mage is the most OP build.
In Morrowind and Oblivion you can be the best at everything.
Even BG3 in the last patch added gishes which are the best at everything. (bladelock and hexblade)
In Arcanum you can also be the OPest gish.
In Rogue Trader you can be the OPest caster and melee into one.
These are off the top of my head I'm sure there are more examples.

>>3861807
Yeah, this looks like it
I like that they even make it look like the red mage because that would be my ideal version of the job

>>3861804
Balance and fun are forever at odds.

>>3861846
RT is hilarious in this aspect.
Oh so you chose not to be a space wizard?
Fuck you.

Which makes absolute sense imo.
Why would someone who is a space-wizard and a soldier compare to a mere grunt?

>>3861898
I will play RT when it has a “it’s done” bundled edition
I will not roll a space wizard
I will have fun
Emp’rahs will be done

>>3861904
>I will not roll a space wizard
yeah yeah you are le edgy kid I get it
you don't have to "roll" a space-wizard though
its not a class, it's a background, just makes every other class more powerful
even if you wanna gun down people, a space-wizard background will give you a couple of powers that will make you better at it

Disgaea can make any classes works and magic knights are sexy busty girl. They aren't the most optimized class for damage and they are a jack of all trades class but who cares. I love those busty girls.

>>3855289
Bard is the opposite of gaytard.
Bards get laid. Constantly. By beautiful women.
Half the women in fantasy worlds were actually impregnated by a bard that traveled through. They get married, quickly, after to cover it up.

>>3861972
>yeah yeah you are le edgy kid I get it
Mfw living long enough to see everything come full circle: being a lawful good moralfag is now the “edgy” counterculture

>>3861904
>I will have fun
Good luck with that

>>3862478
You are not a lawful good moralfag
God himself is a psyker
God himself wanted humans to develop their full potential

You are RPing as the literal evil that is rotting the empire
Which is pretty much the same evil that is rotting our current human society

Virtue signaling

>but but I'm RPing someone ignorant of those facts
You are RPing an idiot then
Socrates said it best, "nobody is willingly evil"
Which means evil and stupidity are one and the same
You are RPing as evil
Plain and simple

>but but I'm just RPing as someone who wasn't lucky enough to be born with magic powers
you are RPing a weakling then
again le edgy troon choice
>hey look at me in a world of magic and super powers I choose to be a weak irrelevant nothing
>I'm so hecking cool and morally superior
just chop your dick off and stop eating meat while you are at it

>>3862596
>>3862596
but deep inside you hurt that psykers are superior from whatever it is you are LARPing as

so you will bitch and cry about "balance" and want to make "le edgy wheelchair orphan" equal to power with a literal God

eventually the devs/writers will cave in, and they will "balance" stuff to make a WoWclone like DnD 5E
congrats you killed the setting by sucking the magic out of it

virtue signaling won once again

>>3862478
>>3862596
but deep inside you hurt that psykers are superior from whatever it is you are LARPing as

so you will bitch and cry about "balance" and want to make "le edgy wheelchair orphan" equal to power with a literal God

eventually the devs/writers will cave in, and they will "balance" stuff to make a WoWclone like DnD 5E
congrats you killed the setting by sucking the magic out of it

virtue signaling won once again

>>3862596
>>3862605
Definitely one of the more bizarre projections I’ve seen on this board

>>3862476
ALL bards are gay.

>>3855257 (OP)
Not an RPG but Dex+Int builds in Dark Souls are fun.

>>3862712
T. Paladincel who's out fighting gibberlings while his wife gets inseminated by chad bards