Why isn't there more finance and economy games? Tycoon games are just mindless builders.

>>2058473 (OP)
Because I'm filling excel sheets for a living. Don't need extra unpaid hours of that when I'm back off-work

>>2058665
>sells 200 million copies of euro truck simulator

>>2058473 (OP)
because it's too big a project to simulate a realistic full fledged economy with everything that entails

>>2058473 (OP)
Because dynamic market changes that constantly force you to adapt or die like they do in real life are a.) labor intensive to make and difficult to balance b.) will end up pissing off most players. As a result, in all the tycoons it is trivial to stay in the green and you're left with building a pretty diorama as the main gameplay.

>>2058473 (OP)
there are lots of resource managment games, just not specifically financial simulators because frankly they are boring and you can still manage resources with other games

>>2058473 (OP)
Because only a small niche of people are going to 1) be interested in it and 2) know wtf to do

>>2058473 (OP)
>why aren't there more mobile games?
There are, on mobile

>>2058724
dude there is no way the actual demographic for euro truck simulator is actual truckers.

>>2058724
Truck Simulator is all the good parts of driving a truck without dealing with all the headaches of actually owning and driving one, if anything, it's the ultimate chill driving game.

>>2059000
cope as you wish

>>2059015
Truck Sim I can still sort of see the appeal because I enjoy driving. I have no idea who plays the yearly farming sim games. They are just bad games. Everything takes a gazillion clicks to do so it's too high effort to chill but it's still mind numbingly repetitive and progression is horrifying slow so it takes hours to even buy any interesting machines.
I don't get all the "X Simulator" cheaply made garbage games on steam, who even buys that. They just look terrible.

>>2059000
next you're gonna tell me railway workers don't fire up Gleisbau-Simulator to relax after a long day at work

>>2059000
So what if it isn't? Not everyone works in finance.

>>2059046
>I don't get all the "X Simulator" cheaply made garbage games on steam, who even buys that. They just look terrible.
"X Simulator" is just today's "X Tycoon" really.

>>2058724
Yeah and the people who play Farming Simulator or Eurotruck don't farm or drive trucks, they also write emails, attend meetings about scheduling meetings and create excel sheets documenting the money that's keeping the company afloat which basically just appears out of nowhere since everything is outsourced or automated and you have like two or three people in the West actually doing something productive which isn't just shifting around responsibilities. Even the lowliest desk jockey has become a kind of manager these days. Larping as a worker or producing something real in Tycoon game (like Simcity, Workers, Anno etc.) unlike finance feels like you're actually contributing.

I'm writing my graduate thesis right now and somehow go enamored with Anno 1800 again. I probably spent as much time every day working on my islands as I do on my thesis since that actually feels productive, although it unfortunately has no real life bearing.

>>2059102
the German race rebels digitally (from 8pm-11pm) by imagining themselves as a dirty Polish truck driver who doesn't care about the StVO.

remember to play wall street raider

>Why isn't there more finance and economy games?
Because it doesn't make financial sense to make them

>>2059046
>Zoomer is unable to comprehend the concept of trashware
>Zoomer can't wrap his head around budget titles
>Zoomer is incapable of grasping games below AA

>>2062054
I get budget game, but that budget has to be spent well, or on making a 3D game that looks like it came out 20 years ago with empty flat world shitty models and textures, shitty UI and controls, no game mechanics and broken physics that pretends it's a feature because "lol so random" streamer bait.
The world doesn't need a kebab shop simulator that has all of 10 minutes of content to do. We are beyond flash games or trash added to gaming magazines at this point and if you want to charge money it has to be a game worth playing

>>2058473 (OP)
> why ISN'T there more economy GAMES
there's no economy in the ghetto

>>2059450
This plus Capitalism Lab. Cap Lab and Shadow Empire is all I install on my computers anymore. Business and War. Anything less is immature.
>>2058473 (OP)
What the heck game is this?

>>2063658
>Shadow Empire

Worst UI in a game ever. I have no idea how to play it

>>2063658
Industry giant

>>2063434
no freer market than the black market

>>2058473 (OP)
All of these games turn into mindless builders after you get over the initial hump

>>2063431
>I get budget game
>Proceeds to describe how he has no clue

>>2064789
Not if they added random disasters and taxes or something

>>2064789
Most tycoons are like this because its easy to make a numbers go up game. I think games with real simulated economies and strong competitor can solve this. But devs won't do it because it's hard. If it's a fake economy of build, sell, repeat, then it's never going to be good. 90 percent of businesses fail. Where's this challenge?

>>2058968
this entire board is for niche genres, niche games exist
>>2058979
kys

>>2058473 (OP)
RRT2 actually had some interesting financial gameplay. If you had enough people playing on the LAN you'd sometimes see stock market manias followed by deflationary collapse.

We had some games where every single one of us went bankrupt.

>>2058473 (OP)
Would C# & Unity be ok to simulate a real time economy game?
I don't even really care about player input.

>>2067631
it's not a question of language

>>2063658
play x4 foundations, it combines both business and war

>>2067725
Please, no. X4 foundations "economy" is just a lie. AI has free money and it's set to always fuck up because muh average player couldn't compete, you pay NO unkeep for anything, there is no competition for anything you do and the AI is braindead. You can play X4 for a lot of reasons, but economics is not one of them.

>>2074983
are there mods that mitigate some of the bullshit?

>>2074983
they have infinite money but they need resources and a wharf or shipyard (or they can use their allies) to build new ships. All those resources need to actually be produced and delivered to their destination. Its definitely more of a simulation than any other game I have played. If there is something better please let me know.

Eve Online taught me many things about economy. It was probably the best introduction to a real economy with fictional money

Prosperous Universe is another MMO game of capitalism in space, without PVP this time

Both recommended if you want a reallistic experience without risking real money

Beyond that, SPY trading with real money is probably the introductory course of investing in the real world, in a "safe" way

But first start with Bogle's basics to manage your portfolio. Especially your emergency funds in case something happens

>>2058665
Your job has nothing to do with it. I mostly play extremely complicated war games and I've never joined the military. I love naval strategy games and I hate the ocean.

>>2074983
What the fuck does the ai need with money anyway?

Its called having money and click buttons to make more money irl not in a game

>>2067613
TRUE BUT WHY PLAY RRT2 WHEN THERES RRT3

>>2078472
Is there a reason to? idk I like 2d isometric.

Prosperous Universe is pretty good if you don't mind paying $100 / year and waiting a minimum of 12h for actions to happen

>>2078478
>Paying a subscription to play a game
I can't imagine

>>2078482
>I can't imagine
because you're a NEET who thinks he'll live forever. reality will wake you up eventually, so worry not

>>2058473 (OP)
wall street raider exists
but you can't buy it now lmao because the boomer selling it only accepts mailed checks
also the UI is kinda old, it would be 100x better with some proper charts and graphs

Which finance games give you something other than a constant growing bull market to play with ?

>>2079215
wsr
you can't buy it though

>>2058724
Hey those games are super relaxing.

>>2078639
Wagie skitzobabble

>>2058473 (OP)
>Why isn't there more finance and economy games?
because numbers hard
also it's antisemitic to play games about economy

>>2059102
>Work on trains at work all day
>Come home
>Boot up my computer
>Play Derail Valley
This has unironically been my life for a while

>>2078478
What are you talking about? It's free

>Waiting time offline for stuff to happen

That's how real interaction between players happen, besides the production times, travel times, and stuff.

And if you don't pay attention, nothing bad happens. There's no PVP

>>2078478
>>2080254
I never got this game. How does it work?

>>2078478
>Prosperous Universe is pretty good if you don't mind paying $100 / year and waiting a minimum of 12h for actions to happen
Surely at this point you should just be coding your own paper trade algo's

>the reworked GUI for WSR is somehow shittier
how

>>2080281
I'd be asking why anon isn't just doing IRL business or stocks or whatever that spreadsheet is

>>2080431
I had the same thought, if you are going to pay a subscription to a stock-market simulation in real time, why not just invest in stock market. Even if you can't or won't put in more money just buy $100 worth of penny stocks or something for fun.

>>2058473 (OP)
I was trying to conceptualize how you would create a good economy game but it seems so complex. You basically have to simulate all of reality for it to be accurate.

>>2081593
a good economy game and accuracy dont have much to do with each other
if you want perfect accuracy go open a business IRL
a game must necessarily have some arcade elements and simplifications to be fun