Man at Arms Don't Suck Anymore edition

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That is a woman at arms thoughever

>>2065086
i wish i had a woman in my arms

Me too buddy, all I have is a militia

so why are georgians a bottom civ now?

>>2065101
All they had was monaspa and they got dumpstered.

>>2065082 (OP)
Best civs after MAA changes? I think Slavs, Bulgarians and Incas are great now.

anyone play the Louvre scenario?
is it good or slop?

>>2065121
celts are borderline uncounterable in feudal now

>>2065124
I get the minecraft thing, what's the bread supposed to be?

>>2065124
why is monkanette barefoot

>>2065148
Just the artist's baguette cat mascot.

>>2065124
is there a mod for showing which units are being converted or is it an option in settings?

>>2065158
that's cute
I mean I looked it up and his account is all porn, but that aoe2 picture is cute

>>2065170
if you're an artist wanting to make a living out of it you pretty much are obligated to draw porn even if you're not interested in doing so or hell don't even want to
back to aoe2, whats the best way to play armenians? should I go feudal longsword now that we got feudal arson?

>>2065163
I think it's a mod. Either way, you can definitely see it in some way.

>>2065124

Why are Bulgarians not meta? Bulgarians should be meta. Make them have Champions.

>>2065190
Absolutely not. 2Hswords are way cooler looking.

>>2065193
Everyone says this and I couldn't disagree more. I like capes and an actual armor.

CHICKEN JOCKEY

>>2065121
Japanese are stupid good currently.

>>2065156
vow of poverty

>>2065121
What MAA changes? The ones from a month ago?

>>2065124
What's this artist's name again their stuff is neat

>>2065249
Kabewski

>>2065197
I'd love if champs were just fullplate silver with a little cape instead of the mish mash of gold and silver they are.

>>2065252
That's definitely a different artist lmao

>>2065249
> their stuff is neat
popopoka_
and as far as I know that's his only AoE2 art, everything else is porn or "the joke is porn"

>>2065252
it's inspired by, but the style is not even close

>>2065260
oh the designs looked the same to me
sorry

>>2065267
>imperial earring
whats he gon do with champions?
also I'm kind of regretting using that OP picture, most of the thread has been about fanartism

i hope that, some day, handcannoneers are buffed.

>>2065276
I'd rather have them nerfed. Bring back the tech needed on the archery range to unlock them. And BBcs.

>>2065276
hey guys
Spirit of the Law here
I already made a video about this topic, but this faggot didn't get the memo
sorry, but I tried my best
you know who else tries their best?
this post's sponsor, squarespace

>>2065289
What is your side hustle this time?

>>2065269
>also I'm kind of regretting using that OP picture, most of the thread has been about fanartism
nobody cares, stop being a faggot and post more cute girls in combat roles

>tfw no norse warrior regional reskin for a longsword upgrade for vikings, goths and huns.
Why even live.

>>2065269
>also I'm kind of regretting using that OP picture
heaven forbid people post something cute for once instead of asking for civ splits and malding about Hera and/or the Khitans

>>2065293
just check the xitter account, or write his name on google images with "aoe2"

It's over

>>2065310
I stopped watching when it was clear Hera would win.

>>2065310
herawinslol

Jurchen buffs................

>>2065276
you are boring

>>2065310
Sorry I don't watch hera games Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

>>2065289
>want SOTL to make a video on handcannoneers for ages
>it's shit

>>2065121
Dravidians are pretty solid if you want to get upgrades and not invest into making too many in feudal

>>2065384
Yeah but then you'd have to play dravidians.

whats the best way to play armenians? should I go feudal longsword now that we got feudal arson?

>>2065400
Feudal Longsword is ridiculous. People try making towers to help but they just shred through them.
Spend all castle age money making more and snipe their TCs.

>18 vil feudal
>5 MAA 4 scout cav
>go to stone
>castle age, castle drop
>pump longsword / light cav / organ gun on their face
what kills this

>>2065540
A wall and vills maintaining it with some archers wearing down the maa.

>>2065540
twice as many scouts on your vils.

I'm out of the loop are all of these maa builds ones where you build the barracks in dark age and time it so the upgrade finishes as your militia are reaching your opponent?

>>2065623
ideally yes,

>>2065624
do you make it instead of the mill for your 2nd dark age building?

>>2065267
>sworsman

>>2065101
Nerfed, all the topciv pickers tryhard jumped from georgians to kithans

>>2065310
Hera menace
Boring cast
No innovation at all
I wonder why, and why he have to see never ending growth?

>>2065848
>Pyrrhus

>>2065631
You could get stragglers before lumber camp instead. Having the faster food from a mill is more useful.
Also try to get chicken without milling them. 2 vills can get all the food in one run, that's worth it if you can sneak it up as you advance or a bit earlier and never mill your chicken.

>>2066042
nta, but with chickens I just send the two villagers and also make sure that they only come back when actually full, even if that means leaving a bit of chicken to rot for a while, not sure if that is optimal however.
Honestly I don't really like the addition of chikens.

>>2066055
Do 2 vills still leave something behind? I play a lot of Aztecs so that might be why it was enough for me. I like to send a bunch of pairs to get chicken when I click up since I won't be needing more vills for a while and it's ok if the food doesn't arrive isntantly.

>>2066073
They don't completely fill up from one chicken, there's still some room, so once they finish that first chicken I make them kill a second one and take what they can before actually dropping off (which tends to be around half of the second chicken) that does leave some rotting but eh.

>>2065848
He's chilean pls understando

need help thinking of an early eco bonus, all the good ones are taken

>>2066199
shore fish last 20% longer
>but that's only useful on water maps!
bro it's the fucking polynesians

>>2066199
Something cannibalistic
>defeating units returns 10/20/30 food
>infantry generate food when in combat
>lost units return 20% of their food cost

>>2066199
This attack bonus is stupid. Just a 100% worse version of the Burmese bonus.
Make it at least +2/3/5 to mean something.

>>2066199
Villagers get 3 range and do pierce damage for chucking spears at those who try to raid them.

>>2066199
fishermen and chicken farmers (but not hunters or shepherds) don't need to return

>>2065310
Maybe the top two streamers for the game shouldn't have tried so hard to cash in by signing exclusive deals with dead streaming sites.

>>2066199
Change your first bonus so it's "villagers and foot archers are affected by Barracks upgrades" and you're fine, vills with squires is a great eco bonus

>>2066286
Eh a bigger issue is that the tournament had less t90 and more memb who is an annoying faggot. Also twitch is even more aids now than a year ago.

>>2066199
>>2066322
this, but also let them research squires in feudal

>>2065848
sworcerer

i cast sword

>>2066375
Sorry anon, in AOE2 we only cast axe.

>>2066377
speak for yourself, infidel.

>>2065127
i do wonder...

>update introduce new models for elite unique units and castles
>also "fix" animations synchronicity and add more idle animations
>the vytautas model replacement is broken
>the heavy pikeman model replacement is also broken
>thankfully someone fixed it
>it doesn't work with UHD

>>2066392
no one cares about your shit mods

>>2066513
You are wrong, heavy pikemen mod is kino.
I never liked the Halberdier look even back when AoC released.

T90 is reddit incarnate.

any advice for getting out of the 1000-1100 elo hellhole that isn't a "hilarious" meme reply like "go to 900s", "play qp" or "stick to campaigns"?

>>2066717
if you're stuck at 1100 with a 50% win rate the system is working and you're where you belong

>>2066743
ok so let me rephrase my question
any advice on how to start belonging above the 1000-1100 elo hellhole?

>>2066747
>make villagers
>use them to collect resources
>spend the resources to make army
>make 2 more tc to make villagers faster when you can
this should get you to like 1500

>>2066747
Probably just main a strong civ like Vikings, Lithuanians or Hindustanis.

>>2066756
but I dont like maining civs, everytime i check an aoe2insight profile and 1 civ is played ovewhelmingly more than the others i feel repulsed

>>2066752
is 3tc the sweet spot for eco+army? more than that and it would be full booming right? and less would be full military?

>>2066775
Depends on the civ but 3 TC is pretty standard. The way I see it

5 TC = full boom
4 TC = boom with meager defenses
3 TC = balanced boom with good defense
2 TC = weak economy but with great aggression
1 TC = full aggression,

>>2066774
Just pick a different civ every now and then.

>>2066852
It what I do, I usually pick from like 60% of the catalog because there are lots of civs I don't give a shit about, like all the indian civs except hindus

>>2066854
I pick civs if their voices sound good so never playing Georgian in my life.

>>2066863
no franks nor viets?

>>2066199
>trashmaster civ
i like it

>>2066199
am i missing something? because it looks like you can do absolutely nothing against cavalry
pikeman suck and so do monks

>>2066865
no africans or indians or mesos

>>2066898
I personally really like how the military units of all three meso civs sound, specially aztecs.
Maybe you were talking about the languages and not the voices.

>>2066865
Franks have great voices. Vietnamite villager being told to chop wood makes me diamonds.

>>2066898
Mayans > Aztecs > Ethiopians > Berbers > Malians >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2 lines ripped from AoE3 random ass native unit forever.
Even though the female Inca saying Konichiwa is funny.

>>2066775
3 is just what you can do immediately on hitting castle age without mining any stone. staying on 1 is kind of all in because if your opponent makes tcs and you don't kill him you will probably lose. I don't think there a big reason to go for only 2 unless you are cumans doing it in feudal, and more than 3 is if you are sure you aren't going to die and are playing for the late game.

>>2066902
unka chacka
bingy wongy
awakitiki
whoyouwanmekill

>>2066941
unka chaka, unka unka, unka chaka, unka unka

i can never balance my food economy right so i just do 2tc...

Why is it a 200 elo thing to wrap your castles / towers in walls when it seems obviously good

>>2066953
i started managing things better the moment i stopped queing 8 vills at a time in each town center, it's a waste of food

>>2066958
stone could go to more castles instead

what's a reasonable stopping point for pumping out villagers? 100?

>>2066986
120 to 150

>>2066987
feels like too much desu. i hover at 100 vils and my resources keep floating even at popcap.

THANKS DE!
easiest victory of my life

>>2066988
usually you want to aim to like 130 but sometimes you may want a bigger army and thus pop space

>new Mamluk campaign
sick

>>2067008
>made for partnering with a new exhibition in Paris

>>2066717
>>2066747
are you a 2 or 4 fag? anyways im in 1100 hell on aoe4 too. the reality of it is, you have to grind and figure out how to adapt to new ways of playing you encounter. for example, i play as byz and the latest meta thats been giving me problems is zhu chinks going meditation gardens on stone to 12 min 3 tc boom. i NEVER saw this when i was 900-1000 elo. again not sure if your on aoe2 or 4 but it seems like scouting, interpreting, and reacting to what you see is a lot more important the higher to you go.

Are the Khitans not being nerfed already because the devs have no idea how to do it without losing their unique flair?

>>2067040
They don't need a nerf.
You just need to git gud.

>>2067045
>61% winrate is fine guiz

never post again

>>2067045
>they don't need a nerf

>>2067018
2

>>2066988
Are you playing archers? 100pop is probably okay for archers if you can keep your mass alive else make more production buildings you noob!

>>2067045
found kithan picker

>>2066892
double range pikemen are a good answer

How do you cope with your country being shit in AoE2?

>>2065124
Can someone explain to me why they removed monk conversions from later AoE titles?

>>2067153
yeah

>>2067150
I don't know what my country is. Romans? Bulgarians? Magyars? Cumans? Slavs?

>forget to bring goat under TC so my vils go to the goat, walk all the way back with the goat on their own, THEN start collecting
Was this always a thing?

>>2067153
AoE4 has it and is arguably better. AoE3 units are easier to spam and mostly ranged, so they can all snipe priests.

>>2067174
What's better about it? You can no longer use monks as a counter to other units, relic ability conversions are a gimmick that's never coming into play unless you're actively trying to bring the relic back to base and being intercepted.
>AoE3 units are easier to spam and mostly ranged
would still have found a niche when fighting stuff like french cuirassiers

How would you stop smurfs if you were in charge of the AoE anti smurfing team?

>>2067182
ELO tied to mac address

Why is this a fucking mod and not a default option in the game? This makes hotkeys so much easier to learn even if they're already in a grid layout anyway.

>>2067193
The technology just isn't there

>>2067193
Because it's self-explanatory

>>2067209
It's easier to read it than to calculate it.

>>2067182
hire game masters who go to smurfs houses and kill them with an obuch

>>2067013
Famously, the way the Mamluk sultanate fought back the mongols was by chucking scimitars from their camels, thats the old reliable trick of the mohammedans, so beware parisians, if you see a camel, run!

>>2067040
I'm pretty sure they could cut in half their food collection bonus as a bandage while figuring out if something else is needed after that.

So at a glance the Vietnamese seem kinda focused on being anti ranged? but what do they do if their opponent doesnt focus on that?

4 seems to be doing quite decently, at least it doesn't seem "dead" like many posters claimed
I wonder if Mythology will get the AoE3 treatment tho, it seems to have sold better than 3 but those numbers aren't great...

>>2067302
their arbs and CA are good. Can go elephants with their UT if your opponent can't use monks somehow. IDk how viable going firelancers alone is but they have solid ones.

>>2067040
Getting what's basically a food trickle when both herding and shepherding is retarded on top of compressed farms, double attack, and faster-producing trash units is the icing on the cake and all relevant so early into the game. I'm sure something here could be gutted out entirely. The other most frontloaded Feudal civ I can think of are Cumans and their extra options still come at too large of a cost in time to fully explore all of them in one game.

>>2067302
'Bulky' archery range, but elephants just casually getting +100 HP from a single tech is notable. Imperial Skirmisher is more to give you (or your team) an edge in trash wars.

>>2067308
>AoM has less players than AoE3
grim
yeah it's fucking abandoned the second the jap DLC comes out

>>2067347
To be fair AOE3 is f2p.

>>2067347
>AOM: EE has less than Retold
Shocking, I know

I need an idle TC indicator.

>>2067347
not exactly fair comparing a free to play game to a 30 dollaringo game
also it was my understanding AoM doesn't have much of a multiplayer scene and that most Mythologyfags are campaigncels, so much so they threw a fit and started rioting over the changes in voice acting from the original
not sure what the community is like and how well the DLCs are selling as I haven't played AoM, but I might get it if the base game ever gets a decent discount

>>2067385
I will help for 50 euros an hour

>>2067385
put your TCs on control group 1 and just keep tapping 1q1q1q

t. starcraft convert, it works for protoss

>>2067417
don't do it mindlessly because you might queue too many villagers and delay your feudal

>AoE IV as India
>capture sacred sites
>build stone wall with spearmen
>french player breaks through the wall and sends knights in
>met by a ton of elephants, all knights die
>too late to stop victory countdown now
>win
>the other two players in this 2v2 finish the game without having fought one battle
What do you think of being able to win without attacking the enemy base?
Technically it stops turtling but sacred sites are easier to defend than your economy in general

>>2067421
you can always unqueue the villagers later, I usually make sure I don't queue more than like 2-3

>>2067428
bro it's like 7 min MINIMUM to get to castle plus 9:30 (i think?) sacred victory countdown. if the other two players were doing literally nothing for 17+ min it's because they are literally retarded.

>play Spanish for the first time in ~10 years
>their jingle doesn't have a singer anymore
FOR WHAT PURPOSE

>>2067571
Yeah I'm very much in the "down syndrome toddlers and 95 years old boomers" elo bracket because I can only play a couple of games in the weekend

There's some sort of event near my house where reenactors shoot arrows at boar cutouts.

when will aoe2 come to the switch 2?

Am I playing the game wrong?
I just make knights, trash, monks to heal and siege.
I legit can't play any civ that doesn't focus on cav.

>>2067739
are you having fun?

>>2067739
yes, the police is on their way

>>2067741
No, i am always stressed out when i play but i must make my elo go higher.

>>2067744
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cL7rtDg1KAg

Guys, the Ai is making fun of me again...

>>2067417
You know there is a hotkey to select all TCs? No need to use control groups.

>>2067741
Yes
>>2067743
>Militia
Can't catch my cav
>>2067744
Don't pretend to be me

>>2067758
control groups are comfier for me
i put my TCs on 5 though

>>2067783
retard, i have my all tc hotkey on alt+a which is much better
do not reply to me with your shit opinions

>>2067783
Anon you could shuffle keybinds around and just set "select all X" on your numrow anyway.

>>2067795
>select all barracks
>it makes units out of the barracks thats a million miles away and ends up doing some retarded pathing and dies
useless...

>>2065163
>>2065182
Apparently it's only a Capture Age feature and not an in-game one.

>>2067791
>comfier
>alt-combo

>>2067791
that's mean

How are you supposed to use monks effectively? Do people just micronerd every individual monk to convert a different unit? Why isn't there a simple 'Convert move' similar to attack move?

>>2067804
Put individual monks in their own control groups and just micro like a god.
Or get Theocracy

Finally found a use for the RGB on my keyboard.

Got my first non-Byz win, but it's a hollow one because the dude was bad enough to mine stone in the dark age.

Also I think Bulgarian MAA rush might be pretty fucking broken at low elo.

>>2067860
Mining stone in dark age is meta when doing a tower rush.

>>2067867
I was initially thinking he might've wanted to do a castle drop but given the amount of vils on stone I guess you're right.
>do a bit of googling
>Teuton trush is a thing
Alright, you're right.

I have never competitive AoE2 Multiplayer in my entire life.

Also my mean APM jumped from 10 to 18 but I don't know how much that is owed to me rebinding my hotkeys (given I'm pretty sure I forgot my eco and blacksmith upgrades) and how much is owed simply to the fact I was doing stuff with my army.

>>2067870
I'm sorry, but your sentence is syntactically incoherent. The phrase 'I have never competitive AoE2 Multiplayer in my entire life' is missing a verb—presumably 'played'—and fails to conform to standard English grammatical structure. A more correct formulation would be: 'I have never played competitive AoE2 multiplayer in my entire life.' Alternatively, for stylistic elegance, consider: 'At no point in my life have I ever participated in competitive Age of Empires II multiplayer.'
Linguistic precision matters.

If you had a civ that can make basically every unit (think all techs), but you had to give up two blacksmith techs, which two would you rather lose?

Was arguing with a friend about this, and we both agreed last archer armor would be one (since ranged units aren't really meant to be tanking hits a lot anyway) but disagreed on the second one. He said the last infantry armor cause it mostly just affects halbs (nobody plays champs) and having FU cavalry is more valuable, while I think Blast Furnace is less important since having a good meatshield in halbs is pretty crucial and squishy halbs would rid you of an important cav counter, and paladins and hussar still work perfectly fine without maxed attack (and camels rely on bonus damage).

Technically this started because I was arguing Byzantine paladins are still a nice unit (and the Byz tech tree is god-tier) even without Blast Furnace but got me thinking about upgrade priorities in general.

>>2067877
I'd just get rid of another layer of archer armour.

>>2067890
Seconding this. Burmese is fun.

>>2067864
Follow that shit up with Castle age Kreposts if they didn't surrender in feudal.

>>2067969
He speaks the truth

Man, fuck Land Madness.

i always lose sight of where i put my blacksmith, you guys use a dedicated hotkey for stuff like that or control group?
I haven't used the "select all buildings" hotkeys other than the one for TCs cuz idk where to put them

>>2068030
I only memorized production buildings but if you forget about your base in a single match you just need to work up that memory bro. Eat more eggs, carrots and nuts.

>>2068030
there is literally a hotkey to select every building you retarded faggot
t. 500 elo

>>2068037
yeah i mentioned them, but they are a pain in the ass to set, the default is shit like ctrl+shift+y+qwerty+del+inster+enter, i tried to change it to just B but appearently i fucked with like 5 different B hotkeys i didnt know existed by doing that so i cancelled

>>2068030
>I haven't used the "select all buildings" hotkeys other than the one for TCs cuz idk where to put them
I set this up yesterday.
>orange: your usual grid layout
>red: select all barracks, archery ranges, stables, siege workshops, castles, kreposts/donjons, docks
>blue: select all TCs, mills, mining camps, lumber camps, markets
>green: blacksmith, monastery, university

>>2068041
i just use alt+ the buildings key for eco and ctrl+ building key for army

>>2068042
you keep clicking H bro? I changed that to the spacebar because you are constantly selecting TCs

sovl

>>2068047
To be fair I actually use my side buttons for TCs and idle vils.

>>2067876
unironically based

How to counter trebs protected by a castle?

who was the faggot in the community who decided that BBCs was a more appropriate name than BCs

>>2068047
Spacebar is far more valuable to bring the camera to selection than for TC

>>2068087
>bring the camera to selection
what? you mean moving between TCs? I have that in tab

Welp, I don't know how to play Michi.

>>2068080
have more trebs than him, bombard cannons, have so overwhelming big forces you can actually snipe trebs protected by castle.

Bulge Aryans are 100% getting nerfed at some point aren't they?

>>2068136
You boom like crazy then defend for 3 hours .

>>2067804
it's like using storm in starcraft. you can either put each monk on a hotkey, or you can select all of the monks, click to convert a target, click to remove one monk from the group before the conversion goes off and then click to convert a different target, and then keep removing monks and retargeting until you only have one left.

>nigga destroyed me in 20 minutes on Arena with two rams and a bunch of archers

HE HAD FUCKING SIEGE WORKSHOP IN FEUDAL AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>2068183
did u get cuman'd on?

>>2068191
I did get cuman'd on.

Today's tally: 8 matches, 5-3. All wins were Bulgarians Arabia, all losses were other maps.

>>2068206
MAA rushing?

>>2068217
Yep, the civ bonuses are made for it and it can't be stopped at low elo unless the opponent goes archers, which only happened to me once on Land Madness, a match where I actually ended up having the better eco, but I heavily miscalculated where to build my castle, putting it in an untenable position, and I tried to switch to konnik production, which turned out to be a retarded idea.

Can you mix in 1-stable knights to deal with any archers?

>>2068220
>it can't be stopped at low elo
how low?

>>2068247
350-400

but I'm sure it applies to higher than that as well

>>2068083
Anon in the sprite he's literally pushing a BBC.

It's so big he needs to push it on wheels from the sheer size of it.

>>2068249
that maa "rush" must arrive at like 20mins lol
im just kidding

maa stroll

>>2068220
>>2068249
I want to see vid of your triumph, maa is bretty gud now but it still counterable

currently playing the Three kingdoms III custom campaign as the xiongnu, and damn that shit is hard

>>2068259
Here, nothing too breathtaking.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10_zVAXvoHk

>>2068259
Here's also how you can shit the bed with the same strat.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHum-gZO99g

>>2068312
>>2068322
sort of clicked through the vids, your build order and scouting is at a 1k elo level in the first video other than forgetting to click feudal for a few minutes. also you needed to just click your army into the enemy base earlier, your attack could of came in like 4 minutes earlier.

2nd video looked like a complete clusterfuck tho and looks like you decided not to play a standardish build order and didn't make a baracks and militia quickly like in your first video.

If you did what you did in the first video and fixed those mistakes you could get above 1k elo.

>>2068325
>your build order and scouting is at a 1k elo level
So is everyone else's at this level, build orders are like chess openings in that nowadays everyone knows a few to a decent level. APM usually drops off a cliff after the memorised pattern.
>also you needed to just click your army into the enemy base earlier, your attack could of came in like 4 minutes earlier.
That's true, I fumbled the bag because I built 3 militia, then went on to research arson and I was like "wait I want more men but I don't want to cancel my research", so I waited for that to finish then produced more men. Definitely a mistake owed to indecisiveness, which is a general issue with me in AOE.
>2nd video looked like a complete clusterfuck tho and looks like you decided not to play a standardish build order and didn't make a baracks and militia quickly like in your first video.
The (apparent) lack of boar and scarcity of sheep threw me off guard and I was too busy trying to course correct that the errors stacked on top of each other. I think what delayed my barracks was something like
>got housed
>let's build houses
>now we no longer have wood for barracks

>post imperial
>raid opponent
>kill like 40 vills
>he's now at around 70 vills
>uses that pop space to make a 130+ army
>completely rekts my 50unit army and pushes me all the way back
>beats me

>>2068312
OH TWAIN

>>2068334
>So is everyone else's at this level, build orders are like chess openings in that nowadays everyone knows a few to a decent level.
yea as soon as you both reach castle youre on your own and its when the shitty decision making reveals itself and reminds you why you are the elo you are
also personally as a 1000elofag my brain starts getting dizzy after half an hour and I start becoming lazy and usually lose if the game gets to post imp

As a clueless noob, what's the point of civs that don't get fully upgraded paladins?

>>2068371
they make camels and rape paladin civs.

>>2068371
they make other units

>>2068371
Try going only paladins against hindustan.

>>2068371
90% of multiplayer games end before the imperial age
if you're playing the Joan of Arc campaign there's no problem in deleting all your villagers and fielding an army of 125 Paladins

Finland beat Sweden at the Nordic Masters LAN.

>>2068030
Just put them on something that makes sense.

B = Blacksmiths
M = Monastery
S = Stable
U = University

Etc

>>2068030
I group my find keys for eco buildings on the top row, military ones in the middle, and upgrade buildings + Monastery at the bottom.

the three kingdoms campaigns are god-awful

>>2068462
One of my issues with it that I don't see discussed often is the narrator.
The "authentic" pronounciations are cringe.
If I set the game to English I expect the VAs to be native English speakers and I don't care that they mispronounce foreign words as long as they can speak the language harmoniously.
The whole "immersion" and "authenticity" is pseudo-intellectualism at best.
If I wanted accurate Chinese names I'd play the fucking game in Chinese, not this "and zheen Huooong hæn rheides zhe virrage" shit.
Everyone who complained about Chronicles having Bri'ish accents is a retard, and I say that as an ESL. The VAs had pathos behind everyline because they've been speaking naturally in their own language and performance is more important than authenticity.
I dread the day someone hires somebody from my country to do a shitty accent in Engrish.

>>2068494
Isn't the guy who voices Athenians and a lot of campaign guys actually Greek

Do you think they add Jurchen and Khitan campaigns next or move on to Japan like AoM? Maybe add Ryukyu Kingdom since it's conquered by Japan during the Edo period?

>>2068494
this post is extremely fucking retarded, the DoD campaigns also had native VAs and those campaigns are fucking stellar

the main problem isn't the voice actors being natives, it's the voice direction being shit
Aristagoras delivers more emotion in a single line than the entire 3k voice cast does in the entire campaign
the 3k narrator is the worst offender, dude sounds like he's about to fall asleep from sheer boredom

What would've saved Age3

>>2068587
Yeah, you're right actually.
I was thinking of AoM retold as well as 3K, but it's 100% the direction or the actors.
I guess I should've said that sacrificing the quality of the delivery for authenticity is retarded.
>>2068502
The Athenian units share the VA with campaign heroes? Didn't feel like it, but I can't check the credits now.

>>2068636
>The Athenian units share the VA with campaign heroes?

The guy who voices the Athenian military has done a bunch of English voiceovers across many campaigns since DE. Mostly Mediterranean characters, but he did voice Cleon in Chronicles.

>>2068562
They already sold dlc so why they should put more effort?

>>2068628
a better historical setting
the 18th century works really well in economy sims and grand strategy/4x games, just kind of a boring period to base an RTS on

the unit balance always feels forced
>guy with gun vs guy with gun, but one deals double damage because reasons
see pic, bonus points if you can tell just by looking at it who deals double damage to who
games set before and after simply don't have this problem
>cavalry beats sword & shield, sword & shield beats spear, spear beats cavalry
makes perfect sense and it's easy to distinguish between units, RTS games then just build on this
>armour beats gun infantry, gun infantry beats anti-tank infantry, anti-tank infantry beats armour
makes perfect sense and it's easy to distinguish between units, RTS games then just build on this

card system and ahistorical trying too hard to be cinematic campaign didn't help

>>2068694
>sword and shield beats spear
This does in fact not make sense.

>make spears counter militia line and cav but the slowest foot units
>make militia line faster than archers
>abolish skirms
I fixed AOE2.

>>2068742
>make the unit thats already a pain in the ass to micro against raiding scouts even slower

>>2068729
It factually does, the spanish have first hand historical account of employing sword and board to fend off enemy pikes.

>>2068729
Sword n board soldiers like Rodeleros were used in the pike-meta late middle ages to wedge into and break up stalemated pike crushes

>>2068694
what a shit take. 16th-19th century is when warfare was most exciting.

>>2068803
then post your "most exciting" 16th-19th century RTS faggot
>Age3
lmao

>>2068921
uh...cossacks

16th-19th was indeed the coolest moment of warfare, you still get swords and cavalry charges, knights and pikemen while also having canons and guns.
God I fucking hate modern war, why is it so gay?

>>2068974
>cannons and guns
i snore

>>2069212
French cannons in AOE4 are the coolest shit ever.

>>2068628
Not being an Age of Mythology spin-off.

>>2068628
>>2069218
I wonder if proper marketing would have been enough. If they had made it very clear that it's more of an AoM sequel with a historical skin than an AoE2 successor I think it would have been a lot better received.
That and not having to grind for cards at launch. And not having a fantasy campaign.

>>2069228
If it was a named spin-off than a '3' plastered on like Microsoft demanded, it would temper expectations especially. But I wouldn't be so sure if Ensemble going in with a clear 'III' from the start would end up taking elements of AoE I-II into the early modern era after AoM especially.

To be frank though, and while this probably more concerns the AoE IV we got - I am of the opinion that later eras of history would probably make it increasingly challenging to retain the series' identity since it would be harder to give a sense of verisimilitude as things become more contemporary. AoE I-II already have weird anachronisms and choices, if we had a generalist 20th-21st century AoE then it would look even weirder unless the civs were designed around given conflicts. Rivet counters would probably die out globally from the sheer amount of blood vessels popped, meanwhile Red converts an Abrams to Islam.

>>2069228
>And not having a fantasy campaign.
I don't think that's as big of a deal as you might think. My child self wasn't aware of all of this.

>>2065183
and then 4chan dies

>>2069218
>>2069228
how is it a aom spinoff? are you counting shipments as god powers?

>>2069264
>same engine
>3D graphics
>damage and defense multipliers instead of flat bonus and armor values, and thus harder counters
>asymmetric civ design (AoE3 expansions especially)
>simplified resource gathering
>age-up politicians/minor gods with specific bonuses
>build limits
>cards and mercs as evolved substitute for god powers and myth units
>bunch of other mechanics like revolution and resource generation
3 has way more in common with AoM than it does with 2

>>2068926
Based

How do people enjoy 1v1s? I've played a few dozen games and hit my 50% winrate spot (around 1,2k) and every game is exactly the same, win or lose. Wanking around with feudal army and whoever wins the first engagement just snowballs the rest of the game. 80%+ of units and techs are never used. I'm going back to team games.

>>2069357
>How do people enjoy 1v1s?
They don't but gaslight themselves into thinking that they do.

>>2069357
Stop favouriting arabia if you hate feudal play and early engages won't snowball into a win unless one player majorly fucks up. And I enjoy 1v1 because I have more mental energy when I play 1v1 because I only need to worry about 1 player instead of what my teammates or multiple opponents are doing.

>>2069357
Team games would be too stressful for me because I'd just be getting yelled at for being shit. At least this way I can be shit without getting yelled at.

>>2069423
Have you tried yelling at yourself?

>>2069357
1v1s have good potential for comebacks youre just bad.

>>2069357
1v1 is the superior mode for tryharding and enjoying the gameplay as a series of decisions
team games is for messing around with friends, walling for 40 minutes and then attacking with 100 pop worth of elite cavarly or elephants

>>2069357
That's because you're bad at the game. Dunning Kruger effect.

>>2065082 (OP)
Video games really make you trans

>>2069519
that's not true!
>*hides missing penis*
not true at all!

>>2069357
Team games are dull.

>>2069357
The alternative is teamgames where you win or lose based entirely on who you get dealt for teammates?

>>2069573
I play with my friends

>>2069494
>team games is for messing around with friends
this, i cannot comprehend for the life of me people who queue solo for team games, it must be the worst way to play the game, even worse than free4all

>>2069584
>he dares have friends.

he lamed my boar again

>>2069608
mongols?

>>2069624
nah, he just lamed it, i think he was hindus or something

>>2069588
>this, i cannot comprehend for the life of me people who queue solo for team games, it must be the worst way to play the game, even worse than free4all
I do it when Im too tired or rusty to play 1v1s, or if I'm practicing a new build order (instead of playing against the AI).

>>2069631
rude

free4all aoe2 is basically an overcomplicated game of risk, especially if you disable locked teams
and i'm not saying this as a good thing, i'd rather play risk

where do i make friends to play teamgames with?

>>2069697
at school and the neighborhood playground

>>2069697
senior highschool year or before

>>2069698
im not allowed to go there anymore after the incident.
>>2069699
it's too late...

jags can actually do decently vs the knight line

>>2069697
In game (rare) or try discords, most aoe2 discord servers seem to be tranny free. Or if you are really desperate you could try asking around here.

CA nerfs when?

>>2069808
already happened

>>2069808
they're not even good

man I'm watching these replays of players around 1500 elo and me with 1000 am not making a lot of the stupid mistakes i see them make
are they just getting carried by gookclicking?

>>2069815
are you actually watching your own replays or assuming you aren't making mistakes because you don't notice them in the moment

>>2069815
because they make less mistakes than you, 1k elo players are so bad they don't even realize most the mistakes they make.

>>2069835
yea and i can assure you i am not doing the stuff these players do
i'm seeing dark age palisade walls the length of chille when there are trees that can be used
i see farmers being sent to make farms around an unprotected mill when the first circle around the tc hasn't been fully used yet, this guy in particular got his mill raided by archers and use a tower to defend those 3 shitty misplaced farms
i dont make mistakes like that, they must be 1500 elo because of gookclicking and maybe deer pushing which i do not do

>>2069841
those are small mistakes and my guess is the large walls in dark age is because they are up against a civ like khmer or mongols where very fast feudal aggression is to be expected. While people your elo will float 500 gold in feudal while making scouts and making an early blacksmith and never using it till castle.

>>2069812
>>2069814
Still way better than foot archers, need more.

>>2069874
So? they are more expensive, of course they'll be better.

>>2069876
they also train slower, and depending on the civ you may have bonuses for foot archers but not for CA (and vice versa)

>>2069876
They're more mobile, have more hp and get extra bonus techs from the stable and parthian tactics. Also, they don't require a pre-req tech liek crossbows do. nerf, NOW!

>>2069891
shut up faggot

>>2065156
foot worship

>>2069892
I accept your concession.

>>2069910
r/footfetishtalk

And foot archers are cheaper and easier to mass. Are you not reading? Also CA require husbandry and bloodlines. Husbandy is non negotiable.

>>2069841
and you're soooooo certain you don't make a thousand other mistakes that other 1000s make
sureeee buddy

>>2069923
You seem to be confusing 'amazing bonus tech', with 'terrible detriment to the unit'. I'd love to be able to research husbandry and bloodlines for foot archers.

>>2069923
Nigga the moment you make the deliberate choice to reply to someone without quoting you out yourself as a massive sperg retard and any arguments you made is forever dismissed as the angry outburst of a subhuman in denial of being wrong

Why the fuck are you importing thirdworlder /v/ermin behaviour into your life and online interactions

he's just used to posting in the starcraft general. please forgive him.

>>2069808
t. every ruler of a sedentary nation before 1700

>>2070118
I doubt CA ever existed irl. Imagine how hard it would be to ride a horse and simultaneously shoot arrows from a bow.

>>2070125
skill issue, agriculturalist cuck

>>2070127
that bow doesnt look like it has much power in it. could it really hurt anything?

>>2070125
cavalry wasn't even a real thing according to many reliable british historians

>>2070127
Is it me, or is that a really small horse?

>>2070134
lindybeige isn't a reliable historian tho

xbow fags btfo?

>>2069357
dopamine when you win

>>2070178
the DE version of this campaign was such a downgrade
what were they thinking

>>2070188
the original Forgotten campaigns have been ported to DE and can be found in the mod workshop

>>2070140
even in the middle ages Mongolian horses were generally smaller than European war horses, that's just a characteristic of Steppe horse breeds
those dudes actually conquered the largest contiguous empire in history while riding ponies

I used to love Age of Empires 2 but I will never ever go back after the abomination that is the 3 Kingdoms DLC

I used to hate Age of Empires 2 but I will always come back after the perfection that is the 3 Kingdoms DLC

Next DLC is Chinese again and they add the real Khitans (current version renamed to tanguts) and the tibetans, will you buy it?

Oh and campaigns for most of them.

>>2070344
Yes, the future is chinese.

>>2070344
I won't buy unless they remove the heroes from multiplayer

>>2070344
I won't buy unless they add more heroes to multiplayer

>>2070344
It will be Three Kingdoms Part 2 (battles after Chibi)

>AoE2 DE base game
94% positive
>Chronicles: Battle for Greece
88%
>Dawn of the Dukes
83%
>Dynasties of India
79%
>Lords of the West
78%
>The Mountain Royals
65%
>The Three Kingdoms
51%
>Return of Rome
48%
>Victors and Vanquished
31%

>1 month later
>still no patch
are they just this incompetent or actively malicious?

>>2070344
next dlc is 5 more african nations actually.

>>2070344
Honestly they could add the 5 barbarians from the sixteen kingdoms, also they fit aoe2's era more (xianbei, xiongnu, jie, di, qiang)

>>2070404
Actively malicious, presenting people the opportunity to raise their Elo by buying the DLC until the next shareholder meeting where they talk about how many people bought the DLC "early".

>>2070398
RoR campaigns are much better than Mountain Royals, you fucks are getting this wrong.

stop favoring michi you subhumans

awww poor baby can't feudal rush? baby gon cry?

>>2070398
>>Lords of the West
>78%
Deserves to be higher desu

So guys, I have been practicing a lot the scout build order lately. My dark age still needs polishing but I have been improving I guess. My feudal age is kinda messy, so I suppose I have to make a save and start from there.
I started played a few times already and always dropped because couldn't bother with the whole build order thing (that's why I have so many hours ingame)
My question is when do I start having fun?

>>2070636
when you drop 500 ELO and just play civs you like using their UUs/UTs.

>>2070398
just hope the next Chronicle includes this gem
I'll give it a negative review if we get any less than 5 missions just about dunking on spartacucks

>>2070636
Don't do the same thing all the time, go play some campaigns and do the art of war or try and make a tower meat grinder on black forest. Also you should learn a fast castle build too at some point (it's similar to fast feudal but you click feudal late.

i hate games that go post imp, they become tedious
maybe rts is not for me

>>2070762
just rush then.

>>2070762
ugh, opponent counter my rush?
ugh, I forgot to make vills again
ugh, tech switching? Map control? Booming?
I hate post-imp!

>>2070765
i do but i suck at ending games
>>2070767
>seething this hard at someone not liking le trashspam

I have lost around 150 elo
I cant even beat shit civs on arabia no more
I should quit the game and accept im nothing but worthless fodder for the ladder

>>2070793
why does ranked aoe2 make people so miserable? does this happen in more normalfag ranked games like ow and cs?

>>2070780
95% of games end before trashspam. If you got to trashspam you're either shit or evenly matched, either way, git gud.

Should musketeers be a hand cannoneer upgrade for Franks/Spanish?

when you think about it trash wars only exists because you can keep chopping trees long after the map is out of gold. if maps had less wood on them it wouldn't be a problem and you could have exciting low econ games like starcraft.

>>2070802
Imperial Age is borderline 1400, Musketeers are 1600.

>>2070802
Franks yes, spanish no. Much better than throwing axemen UU

>>2070825
And conquistadors are 1500-1700 what's your point?

>>2070827
UUs follow no logic, we have Woad Raiders, Centurions, Conquistadors and Caravels. That doesn't matter.
Base units do follow some sort of logic.

>>2070799

because aoe2, or if you wanna generalize, strategy games, arent just a combination of skills like eye-hand coordination and reflexes like FPS. Theres a big part of strategy knowledge and quick decision making, that once you start on a bad streak, it gets worse, and you lose sense of the most basic principles.
When you lose because you couldnt click faster is bearable. When you lose because your decisions are terrible is just soul crushing.
Right now im totally blocked, and any player around my ELO can beat me, and i dont want to lose another 10 games to start winning again. I would feel pathetic.

>>2070453
Shouldn't have made an AOE1 DLC for AOE2 then

>>2070799
>does this happen in more normalfag ranked games like ow and cs?
yes but they cope with it by blaming their teammates keeping them in "elo hell"

>>2070799
Skill inflation. Today's 500 elo is yesterday's 800.

>>2070830
So swap throwing axes with musketeers, thanks for agreeing with me.

>>2070876
Define "yesterday"
HD edition? DE at launch? 2021? 2023?

>>2070832
>Right now im totally blocked, and any player around my ELO can beat me, and i dont want to lose another 10 games to start winning again. I would feel pathetic.
This is why you set up multiple accounts. Whenever you're not playing your best, you play with your 2nd or 3rd account.

>>2070881
A few years ago before AOE2 content creators went viral with the masses.

I need a build order for Michi, the 9 vil start throws me off.

>>2070925
exactly the same as regular you've just skipped ahead to where you have 3 on wood already

>>2070130
Cavalry bows actually pierce armour and can be drawn that fast yes

Look up japanese videos about it

>>2070344
Wrong, next DLC is Inuit.

>>2070946
Japanese are unique in that they use Longbows on their horse archers while steppe nomads used mostly small Recurve bows.

>>2070879
Why not give Teutons Panzer Tanks UUs then, if AGE doesn't matter.

i keep hearing druzhina is one of the best unique techs in the game but when i actually get to use it it doesn't seem all that

>>2071205
Druzhina is expensive as fuck so if you can afford it you were probably going to steamroll anyway at that point.

>>2071205
Great for halberds fighting skirmishers or other halbs, meh for Champs or Halbs fighting cavalry.

>>2070799
If anything aoe2 ranked is infinitely nicer than those.

>>2070799
>why does ranked aoe2 make people so miserable?
I was miserable before ranked AoE2. I'll be miserable after it too.

>>2070799
Depends on people's relationship with the game, people who only care about their elo or winning are miserable. I don't care about my elo and I like trying out different strategies so I just have fun playing ranked.

>>2071692
Elo?

>>2070799

left is what you wish all people were on the aoe2 ranked ladder
right is how 99% of the people in ranked ladder behave

>>2071704
why do they have brown eyes if they are norwegian?

>>2071704
why do they have short hair if they are vikings?

most of my games i lose because i suck at exploration
there is literally no advice for fixing that other than giting gud
its over, i was born a retard

>>2071779

can you just use auto scout? it was literally designed for you
>but i fight with the scout
if you are skilled enough to manual scout in dark age and fight in feudal, theres no excuse to not explore the map

>>2071781
I mean constantly scouting my enemy's base and gathering intel on what hes up to. Autoscout only scouts the unexplored map.

>>2071786
Play Ethiopians and spam Outposts until you get a hang of how many you need to see the whole map, then play a normal civ.

>>2071702
1400
I know I'm a shitter

>>2071819
basically Hera compared to me desu

this thread has become really boring desu
i's just a bunch of sweatlords arguing over their stupid gookclick meta

>>2071899
go to /v/ if you want to troll and shitpost

>>2071899
So talk about something else, retarded frog poster

posting nsfw webm
watch it at your own risk

>>2071917
lmao how boosted was this guy? 300 ELO above where he was without khitans?

>>2071917
the platonic ideal of medieval warfare

>>2071917
the quality hurts but nice job. fuck the 3chinks dlc.

>>2071917
that's not nsfw that's directly nsfl

>>2071926
I've only lost to Khitans once, they don't seem that good, tech tree is kinda ass. Launch Cumans were way better

>>2071899
>DLC tourist mad that half the thread isnt full of china hateposting anymore

>finally the game gets some innovation
>crusty old boomers cry about muh balance
I hope we get more china DLC just to piss you fags off more

>>2072039
>innovation
Where?

>>2072039
line go up

>>2072039
feels more like gimmicks than "innovation" and I would have forgiven them if the campaign wasn't a flaming pile of garbage

the mameluk scenario was ultra easy , guess since colab they had to make it acessible to anyone in term of challenge

>>2072039
>Innovation
>Desecrating AOE2 with 3/4 design choices
Lol

How do we split up the slavs? Post your ideas.

Ukrayinyians
>Features
Trade Cogs/Carts generate +100% gold for Ukrayine, but ally trade carts generate -95% when trading with Ukrayine.
Receives Allies' Blacksmith upgrades for free.

>Unique Techs
Gibsmedats (Can train ally non-elite Unique Units in Castles)
Ghost of Queef (Spawns an incredibly powerful knight that defeats everything in one-hit. Unit despawns if anyone tries to inspect it)

>Team Bonus
10% of team gold income is sent to Ukrayine

>Unique Unit
Hohol (Pig) - Unique herdable unit which provides a large amount of harvestable food when killed.

>>2072154

>>2072154
>>>/pol/

>>2072154
lmao
just two more weeks, right tovarish?

>>2072091
I’m willing to bet they even had a couple PCs set up with the exhibit, they definitely wanted normies to give it a try.

>>2072278
>>2072248
>>2072236
Are you going to post your civ ideas or not?

>>2072287
I'll post then when the Slavs (Moscow) achieve full conquest against the other Slavs (Kiev)

>>2072154
>Ukrainians

Nigger, that country didn't exist until 1990. Unless you mean the Chmielnicki Uprising that lasted all of 9 years before getting massacred, or the 1918-1919 Ukraine that got broken within a year.

>>2072278
Heaven gained an angle today.

>>2072349
Ukraine is the original Slavic civilization going back to the 9th century
Moscow isn't even mentioned in any written sources prior to the 12th century and even then the Muscovites were half-asian mutts who got powerful acting as glorified taxmen for the Mongols

>>2072349
Pretty sure Kyiv existed as a state long before the mudhut dwellers in Muscovy decided to evolve.

>>2072366
>>2072368

Kyiv Rus has absolutely nothing to do with present-day Ukraine, aside from the territory. The language used by Kievan Rus has more in common with present-day Belarusian, just to give a quick example.

The very word "Ukraine" essentially means "outskirts," and it referred to it being the outskirts of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. It was also a much smaller region, and did not include most of western and central present-day Ukraine.

>>2072039
heroes are bad and should be removed
gimmick charge bar units also go byebye

>>2072349
trvthnvke!!!

There needs to be a YouTube add-on that lets people annotate whenever T90 is blogging about his life / family / friends / career so you can just automatically skip it all without paying attention. Like SponsorBlock, but for the endless blogging.

>>2072385
This is also retarded, because most of the "liberated" lands were conquered by Russia during the Partitions of Poland at the end of the 18th century.

>>2072387
>YouTube will never get annotations back

>>2072387
bud just skip the first 5 minutes, aint nobody got time to watch dark age.

>make decent army
>barely lose to enemy army
>remnants of enemy army is now around my production buildings and I can't remass my forces
How do I avoid this? (besides winning all my engagements)

>>2072555
Set your production building so new units stay garrisoned until you have enough numbers
Military buildings can hold up to 10 units, just select a production building and right click to set the gather point on itself

eagles are garbage against CA, and some people have the nerve to call this unit op

>>2072569
What if I'm playing the shittiest civ of them all: __AoEIV__

>>2072555
walls and/or towers. People are way too unwilling to tower early, it's only a setback if you plan to immediately TC without mining stone in castle.

>>2072590
Same principle, gather your units away from the enemy army and mass a few before reengaging.

>>2072641
So is it a mistake to rally units to the frontlines and let them trickle into the fight?

>>2072670
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3RBcRyfFec

ants are cool

How does this effect AOE2?
>New linguistic findings show that the European Huns had Paleo-Siberian ancestors and do not, as previously assumed, originate from Turkic-speaking groups. The joint study was conducted by Dr. Svenja Bonmann at the University of Cologne's Department of Linguistics and Dr. Simon Fries at the Faculty of Classics and the Faculty of Linguistics, Philology and Phonetics at the University of Oxford.
>Bonmann and Fries analyzed linguistic data based on loan words, glosses in Chinese texts, proper names of the Hun dynasty as well as place and water names. Taken by itself, the data on each of these aspects would have comparatively little significance, but taken together it is hard to argue with the conclusion that both the ruling dynasty of the Xiongnu and the ethnic core of the Huns spoke Old Arin.
>The findings of the study also made it possible for the first time to reconstruct how the Huns came to settle in Europe: For the two researchers, place and water names still prove today that an Arin-speaking population once left its mark on Inner Asia and migrated westwards from the Altai-Sayan region. Attila the Hun probably also bears an ancient Arin name: Until now, "Attila" was thought to be a Germanic nickname ("little father"), but according to the new study, "Attila" could also be interpreted as a Yeniseian epithet, which roughly translates as "swift-ish, quick-ish."

>>2072893
It doesn't affect anything, given that AOE2 never leaned into proto-Turkic design for Huns. Also the Hunnic Empire still contained the peoples they conquered, even if the Huns proper were Siberian.

>>2072893
always knew the huns came from inside asia. only retards ever believed otherwise.

>>2072893
>How does this effect AOE2?
doesn't really
but it was an interesting read, thanks for sharing
steppe peoples are a fascinating subject

>>2072893
So they're not related to the Xiongnu...

>>2072385
>Gift by Krushchev
When is Cherson going to be returned to Rome?

>>2072938
So Mulan was wrong?

>>2073092
It would seem so

>>2072912
I want to queue vils at the TC with her

>>2073170
what about with her?

>>2073245
erectus

Is Huns archer rush viable?

>>2073170
completely understandable
altho that one is supposed to be a princess from the Rouran Khaganate, and they're closer to the Mongols than the Huns, so far as I know they're basically proto-Mongols

STOP MAKING ME HORNY I'M HOUSED!!!!

>>2073372

>>2073377
>"we can't queue villagers together honey... I'm housed!"
>She immediately runs to the nearest straggler tree with an axe
What a waifu!

>>2073248
Why wouldn't it be? You're saving some wood already in Feudal and the upgrades benefit the eventual Cav Archers you'll end up with in Imperial.

>>2073377
9/10, would steal and rape.

>>2073255
Her breast has unglued.

>>2072385
>gift by Lenin
Yeah, because creating a proxy Ukrainian Soviet Republic with a semblance of independence in order to turn Ukrainians against the White Russian forces of Denikin and Wrangel (who weren't quite prepared to give up the old imperial ways) was an incredibly dumb move; it's much smarter to just deny their existence as a nation and fight them head on, "Blackadder Goes Donbass"-style.

>>2073387
I'm autistic about this, so I'm obligated to say:
that's not an axe, it's a maul. Using it to cut down a tree would be quite the workout. An axe for felling trees has a lighter/thinner head.

>>2073479
that's clearly a axe head blindo

>>2070799
Because ranked is about optimisation and grinding a routine, there's no space for having fun with the game.

>>2073479
you're not just autistic you're also blind it seems

>>2073536
Nigga this is a splitting axe, not a felling axe.

>>2073537
yes exactly it is an axe, not a maul
you played yourself niggaaaaaa

>>2073543
ayo kys yerself my nigga

>>2073575
oh wow what a fascinating wikipedia article, let's read literally the first sentence
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Splitting_maul
>A splitting maul also known as a block buster, block splitter, chop and maul, sledge axe, go-devil or hamaxe is a heavy, long-handled axe used for splitting a piece of wood along its grain.
ayo thanks for agreeing with me it is a type of heavy, long-handled axe and even going so far as posting an article explaining it's factually an axe

not everyone would be so humble as to accept they were wrong and post something discrediting their own previous point, how polite of you and I accept your concession.

>be kid me playing AoE
>send all female villagers to pick berries
>send all male villagers to chop wood
Are gender roles something we innately know?

>>2073583
>A splitting maul
>maul
I accept your concession lil gay nigga

>>2073583
>>2073590
Can you two fucks just fuck or 1v1 each other or something

I can't beat byzantines.

trvke incoming
don't even (You) me greekoids

>>2073255
that just macromastia
>>2073454
but historically speaking, steppe peoples were generally fatter than settled agriculturalist peoples due to a diet of mostly meat and dairy
this goes back to the Ancient Greeks at least who noted the Scythians were chubby motherfuckers, it was still true by the time of Temujin's rise to power
so steppe women being stacked especially compared to chinese/korean/japanese rice eaters is actually accurate

>>2071704
MBL is my nigga. Funniest pro.

>>2071917
good riddance khitans player

>playing team games with buddy
>"hey they're pushing me can you help?"
>"just a minute I'm getting my production ready"
>five minutes later
>"Hey I'm going to try pushing them wanna join?"
>"Yeah just a moment I'm almost done getting my cavalry ready"
>I kill 5 enemy villagers and they surrender
>"Oh come on!! I didn't even get to kill anything!!"
I love my bro but he's a total boomer, slow as molasses

>>2073664
The only thing good at killing Romans is Romans.

>>2073782
>playing teamgames with buddy
>hey theyre pushing me can you help
>no response
>wait a minute before sending another message
>i need help
>no response
>AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
>still no response
>either manage to barely beat them back solo or lose everything

>>2071704
did MBL's hair improve or i just suck at perspective? this pic is from the HD edition era and it looked quite receeded and the hair on top kinda pubby (thin)

>>2073666
ftfy

Is it just me or is Arena Cuman+infantry civ feudal ram rushing trending in ~1000 elo TGs?

Of course I had to get the chinese Khitan random-enforcing picker.

>>2074033
if you have bohemian spearmen with +25% bonus damage, you wouldve won bro

>>2073664
Just feudal rush their ass, their eco is slow due to no bonuses so you can leverage that advantage.
t. Byz player

>>2074038
2
Knights were not the problem, the archers were, spearmen can easily take on knights but get shut down incredibly hard by archers

>>2073954
I don't get it.

we live in literally the best possible timeline for AoE2
I could have never guessed 20 years ago that the game would receive this much content

>>2074145
Zombies are the natural consequence of a genre becoming a graveyard.
Just ask Quake 3, Mechwarrior Online and all the other famous zombie games.

>>2074145
why move on from AoE2?
RTS as a genre is just a stagnant mess, and the 9000th command and conquer clone won't change that for me
think all the creative devs just moved on to making city builders

>>2074155
I love comstar so much.

It's impressive how Khitan pickers manage to be terrible at the game

I pick khitan because they are the only civ with pastures

I hate playing these chinamen factions

>>2074468
No you pick Khitans because you are a scrub that needs to play OP civs to win.

What do I do if I'm popcapped and floating a ton of resources? Kill my pops to make more?

>Kreposts +1,000 HP
>Can't research it
?

>>2074497
Delete a few vills, not a lot but a few
Full requeue your farms and delete some lumberjacks

>>2074509
You can if you play with full tech tree.

I do wish they nerf the Khitans a bit, I like their concept but they are so strong that it just feels like its mean to pick them.
On the other hand I also really enjoy the jurchens but they should have a buff of their own, either something to their eco or reducing the price of grenadiers since everything their civ is good at is extremely gold heavy.

Wow Hera won again. How fun

>>2074616
they need to pay him to actually no play, no heras tournament sounds cool.

kek

as pole pocket, is it a bad idea to tech for szlachta privileges before getting knights out? feels like that makes it too slow if the opposite pocket goes for fast knights

>>2074653
Its best to delay it a bit, yes.

>>2074670
You can delay getting the tech if you need knights out in a pinch. I'm not really a fan of pole knights personally, you can get a faster timing to flood units with berbers, khitans or cumans.

>>2074749
Polack knights go for quantity above while still being of a pretty decent quality, they do quite well against a lot of things with their main weakness being a properly defended mass of strong ranged units, though they've got decent arbalesters and skirms to deal with that plus the winges hussars, its a nice civ.

do you think a 20th century/modern setting could work for a future Age of Empires installment?
if I'm not mistaken, before Age 3 killed the franchise, the original plan was to have Age 4 take place in the modern world and Age 5 as a sci-fi game, correct?

>>2074754
>killed the franchise for over a decade
>DE killed itself again
>not even going free-to-play managed to salvage it
3 really is a cursed game, isn't it?

>>2074752
They have like one period in the game where their knights are good (late castle to early imp) you want to swap to hussar or arb after that. I'm just saying that I dislike that civ because the timing for the knight flood is too late compared to other civs imo. Cumans can start flooding stepps at like 20 minutes after a boom and khitans and berbers have more control on the timing. Berber knights are cheap without needing a unique tech so no need to invest into a castle or the tech.

>>2074754
According to that pic, yeah.
Maybe a mid-late 19th century into mid-late 20th century Age of Empires could work, although I'm not so sure about how it would work on the mechanics or nations to put in the hypothetical game, given most nations that would exist in the starting game would no longer exist by the Imperial Age of this game.
>>2074756
The game was flawed from the beginning, it tried to break the perfect mold left by II by trying something more radical in gameplay mechanica than Mythology and it ended up blowing in Ensemble's face.

>>2074761
>given most nations that would exist in the starting game would no longer exist by the Imperial Age of this game.

That never stopped AoE1 from having Iron Age Sumerians or AoE2 from having Imperial age Goths.

>>2074754
you can make ANY era fit AoE standards.

>uh ayksctually

Star Wars Galactic Battlegrounds shows ANY setting will fit.

>>2074761
mechanically my only complaint with aoe3 was the weird anti-micro shit they put in it. home cities were a fine addition if you discount having to grind to unlock cards, which I think they eventually removed. everyone knows the real reason aoe3 failed was because people are obsessed with medieval shit and barely even recognize that the 16th through 18th centuries happened.

>>2074754
I don't believe that image was completely serious at all, III was ostensibly a spin-off originally too, but that said:

Ensemble
>ditched AoE I-II's formula but not before making a Star Wars game mostly lifted from II, but has things like shield generators and flying units
>they then built off AoM's foundation for III instead before dying in the ass with HAAH WAAW
Relic
>have made one (1) AoE game so far
>have already developed WWII and sci-fi RTS series in Company of Heroes and Dawn of War, both of which have taken skubby or outright unpopular decisions

So really, we're left with the modern era unchecked in spirit (with a single century seeing so much technological and geopolitical changes nonetheless) but I'd assume it would be too superfluous in the case of Relic, unless they focused on shit being more contemporary. Making it work though? The issue becomes keeping other AoE elements that aren't just 100 workers per player, lest it just turns into another generic WWII/modern RTS. And there's going to be a lot more guns than AoE III has, but maybe the Imperial Age will become nothing but drone strikes.

>>2074785
If we had to get another fictional setting with AoE II mechanics, I honestly wanna see the Horus Heresy.

Eagles have more LoS than scouts but I'm 100% convinced the area of effect to get a sheep is the exact same as scouts because I always seem to not get the sheep unless i move the eagle to like 4 tiles into its LoS. With regular scouts if you see the sheep you get it, simple as, but not with eagles. Idk if this is an intended feature, a bug, or I'm insane and making shit up, but I could swear it's like that.

>>2074777
True, a way to solve that issue in a smart way could be to age up some civs into AOE3-like revolutions, not at the first 2-3 ages, though.
For example ade Austria-Hungary in the Castle Age equivalent choose to either stay united or become Cezchoslovakia, Austria or Hungary, gaining some new bonuses and units but losing others in exchange to represent the issues that popped up after the dissolution. Same for Russia into the USSR. Nations like Germany could have a more extreme case (choosing which german state to ally into the first ages, stay imperial or become a democracy/nazi regime/communist state later on.)

>>2074852
The Eagles simply have higher LoS to compensate for less speed.

>>2074876
Thats not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about how the sheep won't become "mine" unless the eagle is very close to it, but with scouts it seems to be enough to have them within their LoS. I'm probably just crazy but it feels like that.

>>2074877
The conversion range is more or less the same between all units and doesn't really have much to do with a unit's improvised LoS, then.

>>2065290
Spirit of the Gun

>>2068371
Coustilliers all knight long

>>2070799
If you think that's bad just read about people playing League of Legends

>>2074754
Never played Age of Empires 3 but I heard it's full of fictional campaigns? What the hell were they thinking?

>>2074638
why the FUCK would pros not ban khitans??

>>2075137
Yes, the base game revolves around a fictional story concerning the Fountain of Youth across several family generations. Its first expansion continues it with a little more historical basis, but the second pivots back to the historical format. In DE, they have historical battles instead of new campaigns in full.

>What the hell were they thinking?

AoE III has more in common with AoM than it does its predecessors. As already outlined by the thread it's quite possible that it was never meant to have a number.

>>2075143
they don't have bloodlines so they are balanced

Alright I gave aoe 2 definitive edition 2 chances and I'm quitting. Why does this game feel so 'off'? The game seems too zoomed out , everything is tiny, ai is brutal, the game is unnaturally sped up, like everyone is on crack and if I lower the speed then everyone is a geriatric , that's how slow they are. Beggining campaigns with Wallace and Joan of arc are boring. Wtf is everyone creaming over this game I dunno. Btw I've played all other aoe games so far and this one is the worst, even worse than aoe 4 and that's an achievement.

Bait used to be believable.

what if it's not bait? what if it's his unfiltered dogshit opinion?
i know it's bait but still...

I wish to see brutal ai

>>2075595
>>2075640
>>2075648
I accept your surrender, game is indeed dogshit.

>>2075665
Go back to Resoyed

when will we see handcannoneers buffed?

>>2075640
I could've sworn I've saved this exact image like five times but still can't find it. Got >>>/wsg/5907215 though.

its not bait you nostalgic retards. why does the game EVEN has a speed toggle? cause the devs didnt know wtf were they doing thats why. why doesnt warcraft 3 has a speed toggle huh? why is the difficulty selection screen so opaque? standard, moderate? just call them easy , normal you dumbasses. wouldnt want to hurt zoomie feefees now huh? as for the absolute catshit UI, i mean it was made for some kind of visual gnomes right? its so friggin tiny i need a microscope from across the room to even see wtf is going on in the game. as for the voice acting , if i hear one more shitty accent i think im gonna killl myself. as for the gutter tier music, the only thing i remember is some kind of gipsy tier singing and random semi-feminine grunts. Im out.

>>2075948
>its so friggin tiny i need a microscope from across the room to even see wtf is going on in the game
By using the scroll wheel on your mouse, you can zoom in and out as much as you want. Or you can change the zoom level in the settings.

>>2075987
>talks about UI
>hurrdurrr you can zoom the game in
nice reading comprehension you retard mongol

>>2074756
3 struggles because it's in this weird middle ground of not really appeasing the classic AoE2 crowd, but also not doing ENOUGH differently to stand out. The unit counters feel incredibly clunky and arbitrary. I think if they had done more with actual unit formations and demonstrating how muskets changed warfare it would have been more interesting.

Is the hussite wagon rush still viable?

>>2076024
You can increase UI size you huge retard.

There are many things that leave a bad impression from this game, I dunno, maybe it's the shitty Microsoft remaster. The first thing you see in the main menu is clutter, weird narrating of buttons, like wtf was that narrating there for kek. It's a mess.

Goddamn is that nigger still going with the low quality bait?

>>2076209
no

what are some civs where i can research both unique techs in a 1v1 and not feel like i wasted those resources?

>>2076478
Goths, you don't get both techs then you are dead

guys i really want to like incas but...

>>2076514
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yks34admbRE
play this on loop until you man the fuck up, ignore the stats and pick inca

>>2076514
Didn't these guys get pretty popular when they got the lowered food costs on military

>>2076693
yeah, they are still kinda mid though

I love AoE2
Look at all these fucking campaigns, holy shit!

>>2076792
>262x1040
having a hard time looking at them, at least reading any of it

>>2076795
just like the game's UI, its the authentic experience.

Next DLC is Sengoku with Ryukyu and Ainu as extras

>>2076514
Just spam MAAs and Towers and you win as incas.

>>2076887
So japan split?

https://youtu.be/wA41HwJh4Yc
Spirit of the Law finally getting to the Khitan Question

>>2077222
a month
A FUCKING MONTH of Khitans overpowered bullshit and the devs fucking sleep
Spirit of the Law makes a single fucking video on the subject and they fold in less than two hours, implement his exact balancing suggesting of removing the 10% bonus
https://www.ageofempires.com/news/age-of-empires-ii-definitive-edition-update-147949/
>Khitans
>Shepherds and Herders generate +10% additional food civilization bonus removed.
what the fuck man

>>2077348
could be just accident

>>2077348
that's it!? khitans still gonna be cancer and they did literally ZERO changes to the wu who are also broken OP currently
and also doubling down and not deleting the 3chinkdoms from the game
and absolutely no bug or pathing fixes
joke of a company

>I can't reliably beat Hard AI on arabia
Huwat do

>>2077222
What the hell? Admiral Wololo just released his own pasture video with basically the exact same title earlier today too https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrU3RBBdsxs
and I swear these two have released nigh identical videos on specific DLC topics practically in sync for the past month, are they deliberately coordinating their uploads for some reason?

>>2077348
Its a conspiracy

>>2076478
Britons, warwolf is never bad

>>2077366
bro your feudal rush?

>>2077362
huh? just make longswordsmen and their jian melt? I don't get Wu sethee.

>>2071205
It depends on the context that it is being used, if you are fighting infantry vs infantry or infantry vs cavalry then druzhina is great if you are fighting archers then not so much because it doesn't help you reach the archers. In that situation it would be better to spend resources on a cav play or go for the halb onager approach. Doesn't mean you can't get it later on because eventually there will be stuff that your halbs can melee but you should prioritize the right technologies for the situation

Will the Jurchen and Wei buffs be enough to lift them out of their hellish win rate?

>>2077348
Spirit of the Law is just too powerful, devs kneel before his math
his gather rate 'tism cannot be contained

>>2077384
SoTL works at FE.

>>2077366
hard ai can be beaten with any type of feudal rush, be it scouts, maa, archers or towers
towers straight up fuck with the ai for some reason and they end up walking in a loop where they have lots of idle time
i'd recommend maa now that they don't suck, just make sure they dont walk into the tc, and don't stop making fucking villagers, one problem i had when i was (more of a) noob was doing damage to the hard ai in feudal but not mattering at all because even when i would kill like 5 vills since i had TC idle time the AI would catch up
and srsly do NOT let the game go to post imperial, it's gonna get ugly

>>2077362
Just make longswords dummy

>>2077348
Almost two months, anon. But if the devs are fellating SotL, then I'm surprised the Fire Lancers got buffs at all since he thought they were pretty robust, and points out that even their expected hard counter has trouble in some circumstances.

Im finally back to 1500, after hitting +12 a couple of times
And also the shit Khitans arent in the ladder no more, its a good day i tell you hwat

>>2077348
>>2077400
More like he got paid off to delay the video for as long as possible.

>>2077561
cool blogpost faggot

>>2077389
>>2077433
Yes, if I focus on a feudal war I will win. But I can't reliably boom/fast castle on the standard tiny/2-player map size.

>>2077672
you're not gonna outboom the AI until you are significantly better than it

I'm buying the dlc.
full price

>>2078016
What DLC?

How do AoM's prospects look? was thinking of buying it but there wouldn't be much of a point if it looks like its going to get abandoned like 3.

do I build steppe lancer or knights as mongol? the +1 range on SL feels so strong microwise

>>2078154
Steppes used to be very OP due to the range

>>2078154
Only make knights if you're on the defensive about a few skirms

>>2078210
okay, how many SL? do I keep making them into Imp or even get their elite, or replace them with hussar when I get to imp and get mangudais?

i've done it. every aoe2 thread that pops up on /v/ now has someone making fun of my buff handcannoneer posts. i've become (in)famous.

>>2078253
As many as you can once you're good to go. Lancers snowball quickly but are harder to get going if there are only a few compared to knights. I personally never researched Cavalier again after Lancers were made available to Mongols.

>>2078309
You made 0 people happy other than yourself.

>>2078334
>made 0 people happy besides myself
i didnt think happiness was an objective. did i misread the scouting report?

Is the cataphract a good unit?

>>2077222
>>2077348
seems he's already put out a video celebrating the devs bending the knee
https://youtu.be/DLSgkxpN9h0
the smug bastard

>>2078410
>Uncounterably by spears
>Can only be killed by mass of archers which dies to the byz cheap skirms or a mass of knights which dies to the byz cheap camels.

>>2078418
>Pastures still end up being better than farms
Lol, lmao

Though I definitely think the Stormgates are cool, the player count spike from 0.5.0 compared to 0.4.0 was significantly smaller and much shorter lived and the review spike that came from 0.4.0 was huge and no such spike has come from 0.5.0

This leads me to think that the Stormgate player base is much like the Age of Empires 2 fan base, majority PVE players.

Once 1v1 gets to where it needs to be, I think the vast majority of resources should be put towards campaign development and beefing up the co-op mode. Co-op needs the promised glow up but also needs something beyond getting the heroes to level 20. A reward to keep people playing like SC2 has.

Campaign and co-op have way more monetization potential than 1v1 anyways. So focusing on selling new campaign chapters and new heroes is the best path forward, in my opinion.

Making the PVE modes hopping with active players will spill over to 1v1 anyways.

Your thoughts?

>>2078442
>Stormgate
>Player base
Nah, it's just rejects from SC2 + oldfags from WC3 and neither received a better game with SG.

>>2078418
so the khitan "nerf" is extremely minor lmao. it took them 1.5months to push out this turd?

>>2078503
They still lose extra food from sheep in Dark Age but yeah, they already keep most of the pastures' innate advantages even if they didn't have the ~7% advantage over farms they got now. Given that Wei's earlygame is still anemic and the lack of a nerf on Jians, it seems like a sloppy patch overall. Hopefully they're cooking up something more substantial.

>>2078535
The Khitan can keept the pastures but lose everything else over to the Tagut.

>>2078623
I wouldn't be opposed to more civs using pastures if they can properly balance them, at least I get the impression that they originally were given their production values are surprisingly high for farm expies. Up the cost to 120w, have no inherent collection 'boost' over farms, and they'll still have be safer and compact on top of having their own built-in drop-off point, while having room for civ bonuses yet.

Seems that a good few want them for Mongols but the same thing happened with Steppe Lancers and Mule Carts, and the devs were wise enough to only grant the former.

Has this game had an effect on you as a person?
Age of Empires has made me more interested in different cultures that I brushed off as inferior when I was an edgy teen.
On the other hand, Age of Empires has made me unreasonably racist towards mongols.

>>2078503
they are still gunna be an s tier civ but at least they aren't s+++ tier anymore.

>>2078737
I severely doubt their winrate will drop below 57%.

>>2078410
Yeah, though its not cost effective against other heavy cav and gets fucked by lots of pierce.

>>2078705
i still dont know what the fuck georgians are but i hate them and their history

Nerf was nothingburger

>>2078882
I've yet to try the nerfed version but I imagine that the nerf to herdables is going to also be a hit to them since they get nothing for dark age now.

>>2078410
Cataphracts do their job of killing infantry well, but they cost too much to trade with knights and archers to really be an expy of the former unless you can take the fight. That's what your cheap trash is for, and you do get faster heals through monks if given the time.

>>2078705
Muslims killed a bunch of merchants and stole all their valuable goods and when the Mongol sent an embassy asking for an explanation(they even went out of their way to be diplomatic and sent Muslim tribesmen along) sent them back disfigured then acted like they dindunuffins when Genghis Khan repaid the favour in kind
honestly the only thing the Mongols did wrong was they did not kill enough muslims.

>>2078968
We got lucky that they were running out of steam as a society before they really managed to try to go into Europe, could've been rather grim.

>>2078154
Steppe lancers were broken on release (but Mongols didn't have them then) but then they were nerfed to irrelevancy. Now they feel pointless because knights are just better. Reducing the cost of the elite upgrade was a step in the right direction because it was so expensive for what it gave but it's always going to be crossbow/knight dominance

>>2077348
> op civs to increase the sales, is too obvious even reddit realized it
> release the small nerfs to make it less obvious
Lmao

>>2079145
>>2079145
>>2079145

>>2079159
im proud we were able to wait until page 9 to start a new thread this time instead of on page2.

>>2078418
>barely noticeable "nerf", keep pastures significantly stronger than regular farms anyway
what a nothingburger

>>2079430
It wouldn't be a bonus if they weren't stronger than farms.

>>2079827
You already save the equivalent of 10 wood per farm with no gather rate changes, which is kind of similar to the teuton bonus already. That PLUS you never need mills AND you get space efficiency.

Pastures should collect slightly slower than farms overall if anything. And then given to Mongols, Huns, Cumans, etc.