https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/developer-diary/tinto-talks-68-18th-of-june-2025.1788518/

Hello, and welcome to another Tinto Talks, the happy Wednesdays where we talk about Europa Universalis V!

Today, we will discuss the mechanics of Buddhism. In EUV, it is considered another Religious Group, like some that we saw previously, such as Christianity or Islam:

We will focus on the three main branches of pure Buddhism: Theravāda, Eastern Buddhism, and Tibetan Buddhism, which share the same core mechanics.

One aspect that all of these share is the presence of Karma as a currency. Karma, same as it was in EU4, can be modified by different factors, and gives different effects depending on its value:

Another very important aspect of Buddhist religions is the presence of various Buddhist Sects. Each religion has a variety of different sects, represented as International Organizations, and countries will belong to the sects of their own religion. Eastern Buddhism countries can belong to a maximum of 3 sects, while the rest of the religions allow for a maximum of a single sect.

Each sect has a value of Favor, representing the influence and support that sect has, as well as locations in which that sect is present. The sects also define themselves through a set of laws establishing their philosophy and teachings.

As long as sects have a high value of favor (over 60%), they will be able to expand their influence by adding more of their neighboring locations to the IO. Conversely, if sects have a low value of favor (less than 40%), they will start losing their locations. Sects will also lose locations if the dominant religion of the location is not the appropriate one. Sects can only gain or lose a single location at a time, though, so they will not completely disappear or extremely increase in size overnight, but it will be a gradual process.

Sects gain or lose favor depending not only on how many countries are part of the IO, but also from countries actively promoting or disfavoring them. A country can choose to favor or disfavor a single sect to affect its favor value, although that will also impact the effects that the country gets from the sect(s) it belongs to.

A country can also choose to leave a sect or to join a new one, but with some caveats. For once, a country will not be able to leave a sect it is part of as long as that sect has over 50% favor. So, if they want to leave that to join a new one, they will have to first make that favor decrease. To join a sect, a country must not already be at its maximum number of sects allowed, and the sect to join needs to be present in their territory or in the territory of an ally or a subject.

Let me now give a brief overview of the available sects.

Theravada Sects:

Eastern Buddhism Sects:

You might notice here Confucianism and Daoism; we’ll talk more in-depth about them in the last block of the post, devoted to Sānjiào.

Tibetan Buddhism Sects:

Some of these Sects may be better known by other names, but we used more generic terms for them due to the fact that they are present in multiple countries:

Some of these schools have other special sets of teachings on top of the main ones, like the ones including Vajrayāna Tantric practices, giving some extra actions to the countries that belong to them.

There are also two other Buddhist religions I want to talk about, which were pending from previous Tinto Talks. For starters, let’s talk once again about Shintō. As mentioned in its own Tinto Talks, Shintō countries have the ability to Favor Buddhist Schools, and mentioned that that action gives them access to interact with the general Buddhist mechanics. That means that when performing this action, they will gain the same abilities related to the sects, with some costs associated with that:

They will thus be able to join the sects of Eastern Buddhism, although they can only join one, with some extra specifically Japanese sects:

As an extra note related to the Japanese sects, Jōdo Shinshū will also be created as an additional one during the course of the game.

Another religion in the Buddhist group I want to mention (and that some of you have already noticed) is the new religion we have implemented in China, which we have named Sānjiào, something we did after careful consideration, from the feedback received in Tinto Maps. This is to represent the particular blend of Buddhism, Confucianism, and Daoism (together with many other folk beliefs) that has formed and coexisted in China for centuries. As such, a country following Sānjiào will automatically belong to the Confucianism and Daoism Sects, and they will get both the Righteousness and Harmony currencies. On top of that, they will be able to join one extra sect of Eastern Buddhism:

As you can see, these enable two special currencies: Righteousness and Harmony respectively:

And that’s all for today! Tomorrow, there will be a post about the process behind the Audio and the OST of the game, while on Friday’s Tinto Flavour, we will take a look at Majapahit!

And also remember, you can wishlist Europa Universalis V now! Cheers!

>>2070158 (OP)
What is this, the weather map?

no one cares pavia

give us more of europe

>4000 years of china philosophy and culture
>now reduced to sub sects of Buddhism, a foreign pajeet religion
Holy bases Sweden race, cant wait for the glorious chimp out from chinese

>>2070221
Apparently tolerance and syncretism is just too hard for the multikulti Swedes to understand.

>>2070243
It'll be fixed when we get gaming quantum PCs. Trust the plan.

I hope we finish up the religion Talks soon, I'm really done with this topic

>>2070243
Apparently understanding that individual pops have a unique value of religion making it impossible to depict several religions at once is too difficult to the imbeciles that pollute these threads.

Go back to fucking reddit, nigger.

>>2070158 (OP)
>moist
there are the best women

>>2070158 (OP)
Should’ve given Korea and Vietnam their own version of Sanjiao, then rename Theravada to Southeastern Buddhism, or Tibetan Buddhism to Vajrayana and Eastern Buddhism to Mahayana.

Daoism and Confucianism being sects of Buddhism seems fucked, the Gelugpa School should appear as an option by event for Tibetan Buddhism.

what was wrong with calling them mahayana and gelugpa? i dont know much about buddhism but those names sounded accurate and real somehow. these sound like geographical descriptiors. except for sanjiao. wtf is sanjiao? and what is yuans official religion?

>>2070408
The Gelugpa school didn’t appear and dominate until the 16th century. Sanjiao (Literally Three Teachings) refers to the existing Chinese term for those who freely follow the teachings of the Buddha, Laozi, and Confucius, which means most Chinese at that time except for clergy of each religion/philosophy. Mahayan still has the issue of including Vajrayana which is a dumb excuse.

>>2070413
Also Yuan’s official religion is To etan Buddhism but all of Mongolia remains Tengri.

>>2070408
Sanjiao is basically the three main religions of chinkland: chink Buddhism, Taoism and Confucius
Not sure if it is different in other places, but in chinks in general are very pragmatic, except for the hardcore monks, most of them dont actually follow any religions and only pay lip service at best (like going to temple or pagoda) or practicing any local superstition out of placebo effect. The only thing they care is if a deity is actually listening to payers asking for son, or drinking some voodoo water would cure a limp dick, so they would try anything
The Swedish boys have no idea how to implement such… nuance in the game and said fuck it, just put everything as sub sects of Buddhism lol

>>2070418
Pretty accurate
t. Chinese gf

>>2070422
You spend your time with your chink girlfriend debating theology?

>>2070418
It makes a lot of sense for them to be sects under buddhism, because Buddhism is the actual religion with a clergy and monasteries. The clergy "estate" would mainly be the buddhist monks, their land would be the monastic estates, and their followers could be accurately described as "faithful".

The scholar-officials who cared most about Confucianism are effectively a replacement for the nobility. Hereditary titles technically existed but they didn't carry any real power by themselves and were mostly an excuse to collect a stipend. Making their philosophy a sect is a good way to get around the fact that Confucianism has some elements of a religion but lacks others. And they can tie pissing off this sect to pissing off the bureaucrats.

The Taoist priests, while present everywhere in small numbers, were politically insignificant. They aren't fully represented by any estate, so having them be a sect is also perfect. This means they can rebel in provinces where they're present if you oppress them too much, but they aren't going to destabilize your whole country since they don't run any of the estates.

>>2070435
Nah but her beliefs did come up at some point which was basically what you just explained.

>>2070435
Yeah, we are too busy debating if dogs actually have soul and are men’s best friends, or we could eat them like porks

>>2070441
What
There are taoist temples, huge ones, and much much more organized than you think
Ever heard of tai chi, the Wutang or Zhang Sanfeng? they are taoist priests too and basically on the same level as the Shaolin temple
Many taoist sects also have direct connection with the royal family as they know (or seem to know) the art of longevity. You think those immortal cultivation pills are a meme? Actual emperors were poisoned by them too.
And gunpowder was invented by taoist priest while they were researching such pills

No chink peasant has ever gave a single shit about Confucianism, Daoism, or Buddhism. All they care about religiously is their own folk beliefs, ancestor worship, and infinite festivals.
By all means the upper class should be Sanjiao, as by this point in time Buddhist and Daoist moral and philosophical practices had synthesized into the beliefs of the upper class, but the peasants were still (as they are today) ruled by superstition.
https://youtu.be/IuURVoQdK3U?feature=shared&t=94

>>2070457
How about
Upper class men; confucianism
Upper class women: Buddhism or taoism
Not perfect but mostly accurate lol

>>2070463
Women aren't represented as separate pops. Plus it's not accurate to say they only followed one or the other, Chinese beliefs and festivals were syncretized to the point you couldn't say they were one thing or the other.

I would keep all non-peasant pops as Sanjiao, this can represent a broad spectrum of people (Taoist clergy, buddhist clergy, shaolin monks, wudangquan, confucian scholars, etc, etc) but the peasants should all follow Chinese folk religion. They didn't know or care about any of the more sophisticated traditions, what they did know they learned through osmosis from their betters. For example, even today Chinks have a superstition about drinking cold water. Now it originally comes from the Daoist principles of balancing the Qi (energy) in the body through improving blood circulation, but that's not how/why the peasants do it, in many cases it came about as an evolutionary change because they lived among their own filth and the water was contaminated so you had to boil it to remove impurities. This wasn't the case with the Daoist clerics who had fresh water from established wells to drink.

The average Chinese person is a mindless fool spending half the day caring about himself and the other half praying to the local delusion to grant him more money. To pretend they had any concept or capacity for higher thought is laughable.

>>2070481
Shouldn’t all countries that are buddhist have their peasants be folk religion then? Also chill

>>2070483
>Shouldn’t all countries that are buddhist have their peasants be folk religion then?
In East Asia? Probably. Not the case for places like Thailand though.
Arguable because while the Chinese exclusively practiced backwards self-serving folk religion (worship of Caishen for example, hoping that mythological beings would give them more earthy possessions) the Japanese folk religion for example focused on more existential and meaningful things like fertility. (desperately needed on islands as natural disaster prone) So if you were to do it this way you'd have to differentiate between Chinese folk beliefs (evil, self-serving, focused on enriching themselves) and other nations beliefs (benevolent, community-serving, focused on bettering of society)
>Also chill
No, I hate China, the Chinese people, and everything to do with them.

>>2070422
You're a Chinese gf?

>>2070481
Retarded. Anyway Daoism is the stand in for Folk Beliefs here and while the average peasant wouldn't have know the exacts of all their sects and faiths there was absolutely widely popular belief in these religions or their syncreticm. FFS Popular Buddhism is what Pure Land Buddhism is for example and that spread like wildfire throughout the peasantry.

>>2070481
buddhist clergy should be buddhist, taoitst clergy taoist

>>2070158 (OP)
>China is "Sanjiao" but Vietnam has a perfect hard split to something else.
I mean, it's a stupid game made by idiots for idiots who think you can be an expert on everything through Wikipedia so fuck it. Let the kids and aspies have their fun.
Just please for the love of everything, slap folks who'll perpetuate this shit going forward for me.

https://leminhkhai.wordpress.com/2014/12/07/the-three-teachings-tam-giao-in-vietnam/

>>2070571
>Daoism is the stand in for Folk Beliefs
That's what I'm saying, it shouldn't be, because:
>the average peasant wouldn't have know the exacts of all their sects and faiths
Daoism isn't like Christianity where you can say anyone who believes in Jesus is a Christian. You need somewhat of an understanding of the practices and rites in order to be a Daoist. The same way neo-pagan larpers have no legitimacy because they don't actually understand any of the gods or myths they claim to believe in.

The peasants would have enjoyed ancestor worship festivals like qingming which precede Daoism, you can retroactively claim they're part of daoism and as such the people who still celebrate them are daoists but that isn't the case. These people had no interaction or interest in Taoism, they followed the same traditions they had before Taoism.

Ultimately the Chinese folk beliefs were far too granular to be represented by a centralist and singular "Daoist faith", every single town had it's own traditions and practices, far removed from any control of Daoist clergy. You simply can not say a Daoist cleric in Nanjing and a backwards peasant from some shithole in Sichuan followed the same religion.

>>2070581
They've already said you can turn Vietnam Sanjiao, gook.

>>2070585
But that's like having France start as pagan with Catholic England and devs being "oh, you can turn France Catholic, everything's alright".

It's up

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_leE5CNTfweonNNQMsJQ7twnN15dEjVQy4

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZxxjB-GiG4
They're already calling it the most reddit soundtrack in history. Many people are saying that actually.

>>2070648
I'm liking it
Who are "they"? The voices inside your skull?

>>2070648
Why is the music so ethnic?
>Playing Astroblotis Von Hon Hon dwiberlitzz In honkempoffenburg engaging in the 1431st war over the holy bucket of Blatonverg.
>New track starts
>"FAALALALALALAL AHHHHH!"
Who the hell are they making this game for?

>>2070664
The music is just so out of place.
This shit sounds like a cold war spy movie.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F46NFmpPdUk
This is a dracula remake.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjDqgg5CivY
This is what plays in a detective movie when he's drinking whiskey alone thinking about the case.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HR0vRP8uLTA
None of this is remotely close to the middle ages or age of discovery.

The rest of them sound like crappy Imperator knock-offs. Most probably reused because they couldn't sell it as DLC for that game.

>eyes open at 6:00pm
>roll to a sitting position
>what a shitty fucking day its already night again fuck my shitty life
>i just remembered i woke up today that means im not dead. fuck. FUCK.
>oh shit that means we're one more day closer to the release of EU5 time to check up on my least favorite website 4CHAN for updates on johans latest failure. heh.
>*snort*
>woooowwww new sound track this sounds like a fat, lazy slob wrote it
>"They're already calling it the most reddit soundtrack in history. Many people are saying that actually."
>*5 seconds elapses*
>"Why is the music so ethnic?"
>*an eternity passes in the span of 5 seconds*
>"The music is just so out of place."
>fuck shit fuck ive been awake for 2 hours and im just SO hungry
>no one is taking my bait so i guess i'll have breakfast
>*braaaaaap*
>*starts rolling like a bowling ball to the fridge*

>>no one is taking my bait
Yet you wrote all this.

>>2070221
What's the largest religion in Europe and where did it come from?

>>2070648
>>2070664
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zV4F1tJsZL0
newfags

>>2070708
Nigger worship.
America.

>>2070717
If only

>>2070435
Why even have a gf if you can't debate theology with her?

>>2070717
No lies detected

>>2070675
I think it's kino if and only if every region gets highly cliche regional music that only plays for the relevant tags of the region
>get dracula remake playing as romania
>get god save the queen instrumental playing as britain
>get YOOOOOOOOO playing as japan

>>2070675
Why does the pic look AI generated?

>>2070766
EU5 is the first paradox game that openly states it uses AI assets.

>>2070769
I will be playing EU3 if you need me

>>2070769
That'd be Stellaris

Don't give a shit about the soundtrack, will be downloading the day 1 bardcore mod.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oGlUHcp_to

>>2070712
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bLm7-cEyAA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pCKxLNRJiA

>>2070159
>The Buddhist Religion Group includes the following Religions
>Shinto
>Sanjiao
>Eastern Buddhism
>Bön
>Therevāda
>Tibetan Buddhism
Why not just name it "Eastern Religions" instead of "Buddhism"?
Flavor text could explain how unlike Abrahamic faiths they all syncretized into each other to one degree or another which explains them being in a single group. Saves the retardation of Sanjiao being technically a form of buddhism.

>>2070162
>Eastern Buddhism countries can belong to a maximum of 3 sects, while the rest of the religions allow for a maximum of a single sect.
So Korea (Eastern Buddhist) can follow Confucianism, Daoism, and there own super special brand of Buddhism, but Japan (Shinto) can only choose one? This is bullshit.

>>2070790
Because Japan already get their own unique religion instead of borrowing China's leftovers, they just get to steal a bit from Buddhism on top of that.

>>2070797
But it's historical. Plus Japan can not be too overpowered.

>>2070790
>>2070797
>>2070803
There should be an event for Japan to be Christianized.

>>2070805
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippines

>>2070805
There should be an event for Christians to be Japanized

>>2070766
You're probably just getting tripped up by the high detail foreground character but the low detail background elements

When did you realize it was just reskinned imperator and will flop with both hardcore gamers and casuals?

When I get brain damage, which is not the case yet.

if you cant see it you have severe brain damage fr

>>2070717
>where did it come from

>>2070824
The deadliest war in American history was over freeing niggers.

>>2070829
>euroniggers already at this level of bug-mindedness

>>2070805
Christians should just be another sect like Confucians or Taoists.

>>2070808
The Philippines was on track on becoming a muslim nation, but thank god it didn't happen. The less muslim nations in the world, the better.

>>2070824
>>2070831
Americans are truly undefeatable, their collective mental illness of "Le Jews" deflects everything, and their extreme obesity negates any and all physical damage, I KNEEL

>>2070809
Aligato cozaimaz amen :DDD

>>2070860
Kurisuto daisuki!

hoping this gets ported
>https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1454920266

>>2070766
>uhhhhh? duhhhhhh? is that AI generated??
Zoomers have no functioning brain, I swear

>>2070877
It's a solitary hyperpolished figure among a sea of amalgamated peoples with no single defining characteristic. It looks very AI.

>>2070878
>It looks very AI.
Nah, AI would, ironically, look much better.

>>2070878
It's obviously not AI, paradox can afford to hire an artist, the fact that it uses geographically accurate text for instance is something that AI just couldn't do. However it's almost certainly inspired by AI as in AI made bunch of sketches that they then asked real artist to paint the best looking one.

Is the plague bound to happen no matter what or can the Golden Horde prevent or at least delay it by not attacking European countries/colonies?

>>2070893
There needs to be some kind of interaction with the infected provinces for your country to get the plague. I watched some guy who played as Iceland in the EU5 demo and he never got the plague just because he became full isolationist, cancelling all active trade routes and banning any type of immigration.

>>2070878
>hyperpolished figure among a sea of amalgamated peoples with no single defining characteristic
That's called a white man, the face of the EVROPA series

>>2070893
It's bound to happen unless you disable it at game start and there's practically no way to avoid it besides being lucky or being out of the way enough.

Since it's Majapahit this Friday, does that mean Indonesia Feedback on Monday?

>>2070919
ugh...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U99oQSFvgIA&list=OLAK5uy_leE5CNTfweonNNQMsJQ7twnN15dEjVQy4

>Paradox switched from 2d to 3d right when AI is going to make 2d trivial to make.
How mad are they right now?

>>2070974
They'll just make a 2d DLC

>>2070896
The plague spreads through markets and having full control of the market you're in (all provinces) means you can isolate the whole thing like iceland

>>2070974
0%, because that's the way Paradox could jew the European Union for some extra funds.

>>2070766
I know you said openly but there's no way Victoria 3 didn't use AI for the loading screens.

https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/developer-diary/the-music-of-europa-universalis-5.1788405/

The Music of Europa Universalis 5

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLdEOqfEouw

>>2070974
AI still can't make anything decent looking. Every mod I've ever seen that uses AI is either hideous or they only use it for tiny 300 pixel icons you can barely see anyways.

EU3's Conquistador theme has yet to be topped

>Eastern Buddhist
So Mahayana
>Sanjiao
So confucianism

>>2070158 (OP)
im going to fucking convert Japan to the Catholic

>>2071027
You clearly have never seen my beautiful AI coomsloppa

what is the best estimate for a release date

>>2071035
>Not Coptic

>>2071045
august/september

>>2070687
doxxing is not allowed here

New dev diary is up

>>2071045
In more than 30 days but less than 300.

>>2071045
never
the screenshots are fake
johan is has already skipped the country to live in guatamala with his billions of EU subsides and his harem of gsgfs

ost is fine but not really blowing me away so far

>>2071109
it's not a dev diary, it's Paradox fellating themselves in videos that are about boring and irrelevant production details

>>2071132
and i thought i cant kneel any further, truly a God amongst men

>>2071033
bait used to be believable

>>2071020
quite a lot of tracks centered around the 30 year war for a game starting in 1337

>>2071132
based dickgirl enjoyer johan

>>2071151
It's the grand finale of the game!

>>2070957
>>2070919
Majapajeet.

Falalalan bros... they brought back the EU2 vocals... we won

Who are you going to play day 1?

>>2071218
Golden Horde

>>2071060
why would you go coptic when there are still nestorians in china?

>>2071234
Does that exist in this game?

>>2071235
Not for long since Timmy kills them all.

>>2071218
Byzantium or Brittany or Brandenburg or Bohemia or Bulgaria

>>2071263
>Byzantium
Based. Behead Kantakouzenos for me.

>>2071218
Colonial Ming or Yuan if I can’t wait for them to appear.

>>2071218
Portugal tutorial. Everyone saying big meme countries is retarded.

was going to kys but since the game is but a few weeks away from releasing now that they released the OST guess I will storm this shit a bit longer

>>2071218
Greenland, Ireland, or Castile as a tutorial

conquering poland as germany... that'll make my life worthwhile

>>2071312
conquering germany as poland... that'll make my life worthwhile

God Japan is so cool with their unique culture, I can't wait to make them catholic!

conquering anatolia as rome... that'll make my life worthwhile

raping germanics as medchad... that'll make my life worthwhile

conquering japan as korea... that'll make my life worthwhile

conquering the world as a german lead spain... that'll make my life worthwhile

conquering my inability to independently formulate humorous statements as a retarded hivemind bugman... that'll make my life worthwhile

conquering the thread as a rédditor... that'll make my life worthwhile

>be bong
>colonize america
>bring in qualified euro pops instead of cheap african slaves
>the colony dies because it's unproductive
>bongland collapses because of the costs of the failed colonization
>???
>world is safe

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ph_bfMvlCR8&list=OLAK5uy_leE5CNTfweonNNQMsJQ7twnN15dEjVQy4&index=4
the EU5 soundtrack is literally just the V2 soundtrack

crazy to think the industrial revolution simply would not have happened without britain
an entire world just peasant serf losers due to their inability to effect a finance revolution

>>2071345
>england wins the 100 years war
>france can't support american independence
>the world is saved

yooooo this ost is fire
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gb1iGDchKYs

>>2071218
France. France is always the basic test of how a game or mod performs because they have a little of everything. They're in Europe, east enough to interact with the Mediterranean and Germany but west enough to access the new world. They have natural enemies nearby but they're strong enough to have the upper hand. They have strong natural allies to make things easier if you want, or you can make enemies of everyone. They can colonize or not colonize, they can blob or not blob. They have a naturally large army and capacity for a good navy, but they're not naval focused either. Basically if France is fucked up then something is fundamentally wrong, if France is normal then the game is fine. The same goes for mods, like playing France in MEIOU or Lorent in Anbennar is very representative of how the mod is.

>>2071358
The game starts when a good chunk of France is owned by England, and 50% of the country is owned by minors.

>>2071352
>so called "good" timeline
>jews still own the british banks
nothing ever happens

>>2071359
Which is good, it should show if the game's purported focus on internal management and control actually matters or if it's just a meme and you can steamroll everything. If you can wreck England in six months and start to annex all your vassals then we know something's wrong with the game

>>2071369
It'll be identical to EU5, play the vassal minigame and everyone is loyal forever or don't and literally every subject goes disloyal at the same time.
In game this will either mean France steamrolls literally everything easily due to vassal swarm OR they immediately crash and burn. The entire history of Western Europe will be decided based on the first couple of moves the French AI makes.

>>2071373
>The entire history of Western Europe will be decided based on the first couple of moves the French AI makes.
It's fine, either way God himself will intervene by sending Saint Jeanne to set history on His true intended path.

>>2071364
Most historically literate /vst/ poster.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edict_of_Expulsion

didn't read
britcucks literaly created israeli state

>france busted
>colonization busted
>pop growth busted
>manpower busted
>levies busted
unless they do an open beta this game finna be more broken than leviathan

>>2071378
yes and what exactly is stopping them from coming back in your timeline?

>"english" king wins the 100 year war
>takes on the french title as the primary one and moves to paris
>following rulers fail to establish proper control over both kingdoms
>europe ends up under german-spanish domination for much longer
vgh...

>>2071394
jews came back into britain when the rightful monarch charles I was overthrown by cromwell (who had significant funding from jews abroad, specifically from the netherlands), one of the principle reasons he was overthrown was his supposed allegiance to catholicism (of which there was no proof, he claimed to be anglican until the day that he died), the mainly puritan parliamentarians were able to overthrow him and bring the jews back in to britain
this was further cemented when james II was overthrown in "the glorious revolution", again financed by continental jewish groups
in an alternate timeline where england unites the crowns of england and france and this happened the protestant english parliament wouldn't have the means to overthrow the king, even if they could it would quickly be crushed by catholic supporters in france (as it was the english civil war was a coin toss)

the jewish ascendency was only made possible by judeo-protestant finance in the netherlands, in a scenario where there was a united anglo-french state they wouldn't have been susceptible to this, the jews would have remained expelled in perpetuity

>>2071410
i'm gonna be real with you, if you really think Jews are responsible for literally everything then you may as well go all the way with it. Accept that Jews are divinely chosen scions of the LORD and their mastery of the world was predestined. That no matter how you change history, events will always twist to guarantee total Jewish victory in all possible worlds. By the stormfront school of historiography this is the only possible conclusion. The Great Jew Theory of history.

>>2071412
I really think that Jews were their own autonomous entity and as a community acted in what they deemed to be their best interest, yes. The fact that manifested itself as Jewish bankers in the Netherlands funding an overtly pro-Jewish cause in England is just historical fact.
Again, if you think this is conspiracy theory territory then you have to also claim Wikipedia is a conspiracy site, because this is all referenced there.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resettlement_of_the_Jews_in_England#Help_from_and_to_Jews_abroad

Imagine playing a game where Jews are the main characters and knowing nothing about them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnkP5IIclpY

>>2071020
>begins with Genesis
>ends with the Peace of Westphalia
KINOOOOOO

>>2071468
Shouldn't it end with a Victoria adjacent track?

>>2071218
same thing i always end up doing, some small african OPM so i can play like im playing civilization and build everything from scratch. I never understood how people can stomach playing big powers from the get go

How do you all feel about EU5?

>>2071450
>Imagine playing a game where Jews are the main characters
I prefer to call it real life.

>>2071599
I haven't played it yet.

>>2071218
Ethiopia.
The legacy of Prestor John must be upheld

>>2071616

>>2071642
Jewchads win again baybeee

Okay, so the soundtrack is fucking immaculate.

Falalalan, A Bargain with Beelzebub, No Fear No Mercy, Pain is Salvation... Songs to vanquish /gsg/ niggers to...


Another total Johan victory, gentlemen.

>>2071642
This is called a Jew in the middle attack

>>2071719
couldn't have said it better myself anon

>>2071719
I had the music on in the background and when I heard the falalan vocals, my heart was filled with pride and childlike joy. I was transported back to EU2 with the low poly city graphics on the side of the screen and everything.

>>2071642
kek, very subtle

>>2071594
Im going to do this with Alodia and liberate Egypt

>>2071218
My Tiny HRE OPM hometown statelet

>>2071910
Yup, same

>>2071910
my medium sized HRE fiefdom

>>2071910
>>2071934
>>2071936
you krauts ought to have an MP game

I still don't know what's so bad about jews no one has ever succinctly been able to explain it to me

>>2072001
They are funding wars on both sides

>>2072003
People have been doing that for centuries.

>>2072001
Nothing unique to jews, they are a minority group that is impossible to assimilate and act in the best interest of jews at the expense of other groups. Every single minority group acts like this in every country on earth. The difference is that every other group eventually assimilates into the majority population. The groups who don't do that are generally (justifiably) hated because they compete with other groups around them rather than working together with them.
Think about the Blacks in the United States, or the Armenians in Turkey. Both do the same sort of thing.
This is why when you have a minority group in a location in EU5 they should get a bonus to political power (to represent how minorities are more effective at organising than the majority population) and the majority population should get unrest due to the presence of that minority group (to represent the minority group acting against their interests.)

So victoria 3 has a free weekend. Never played any vicky games should I give it a try

>>2072004
Not to the scale of jews

>>2072006
No, buy vicky2 instead

https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/developer-diary/tinto-flavour-28-20th-of-june-2025-majapahit.1794390/

Hello, and welcome one more Friday to Tinto Flavour, the happy days in which we take a look at the flavour content of Europa Universalis V!

Today, we will take a look at Majapahit's flavour content! Let’s start without further ado:

King Raden Wijaya Rajasa established a powerful Kingdom of Majapahit across the coasts of Indonesia. After his death, King Jayanagara Rajasa assumed the royal duties, proving to be an ineffective leader, as his rule was plagued with many internal and external strifes, as well as open rebellions, which contested royal authority.

Fortunately, King Jayanagara's assassination in 1328 left the reins of the country in the capable hands of Queen Tribuwhana Rajasa, as queen regent for her son, Crown Prince Hayan Wuruk Rajasa. The start of her regency marked the beginning of a new era for the people of Majapahit, under the watchful and capable eye of Gajah Mada, who currently serves as Mahapatih - viceregent.

It has become apparent that under the rule of such capable individuals, the future is bright for them and their subjects. This might truly be the beginning of a golden age for Majapahit!

As usual, please consider all UI, 2D and 3D Art as WIP.

It’s a lovely Friday in Mapajahit!

Starting diplomatic status of Majapahit, with all its subjects.

Majapahit starts with the Mandala System reform:

Majapahit also has a unique Administrative System Policy, the Office of Mahapatih:

And speaking of the Mahapatih, Majapahit starts with Gajah Mada as the Head of the Cabinet from start:

Let’s now take a look at the advances:

As you see, Majapahit is quite a maritime power!

Let’s now take a look at the narrative content for Majapahit, which has a bunch of interesting events:

Note: Hayan Wuruk will usually get much better stats, I command-forced the date so he’s 16 y/o and can reign, but he would regularly develop his skills during childhood.

Hayan Wuruk may be a key ruler of Mapahit for the player, as he was in real life. However, his death may trigger a disaster for the country, as it has historically happened:

But this is not the only curveball that Majapahit may have to face, as an old friend is returning:

As you see, the main topic of the disaster is the struggle between the expansion of Islam and the adherence to Hinduism and other beliefs in Indonesia.

Both disasters have dozens of events that may trigger while they're active, by the way. But let’s now focus on another old friend, which comes with an event chain:

And besides that, even more DHEs:

… And much more, but that’s all for today! Next week we have a bank holiday on Monday and Tuesday, so we’ll have the regular Tinto Talks on Wednesday and Tinto Flavour on Friday:

Wednesday -> Tinto Talks about the Guelphs & Ghibellines and The Italian Wars situations
Friday -> Tinto Flavour about Milan and Naples


And also remember, you can wishlist Europa Universalis V now! Cheers!

>>2072131
>Wednesday -> Tinto Talks about the Guelphs & Ghibellines and The Italian Wars situations
Finally some white countries!

>>2072117
Oh cool they added a papuan country

>>2072132
Yeah this

>back in europe next week
at last, didn't bother reading any dev diary for the last two weeks

>>2072132
>Italians
>White

Looks like Tinto wants to minimize the upcoming melties from certain Asians.

>>2072160
whiter than you mr muttoid

>>2072164
do indonesians get sensitive about the volcanos in their country I was not aware of this

>>2072170
>if my local boom boom hill doesn't wipe out the village of my ancestors every year this game is a failure

>>2072170
>do indonesians get sensitive about the volcanos in their country I was not aware of this
Can you blame them and anyone in red?

>>2072006
It's free. What do you got to lose? Except your free time and the sense of it.

>>2072160
Fuck off

>>2072170
Not really, honestly we just treat it like any other natural disaster. In fact anyone that live nowhere near an active volcanoes just think it's cool as fuck like how American think about tornadoes.

>>2072170
If the area I want to play in was disaster prone, I'd want to know when they happen too. Imagine building a town and next thing you know there was supposed to be a scripted volcanic eruption.

>>2072160
Whiter than anyone on the amreican continent

>>2072188
Which ironically is discovered by an Italian and named after an Italian.

>>2072191
and now it's 60% hispanic

>>2072197
By language, because that Italian was a Spanish employee. Ethnically speaking Latin America is more native american than European.

>>2072188
>the singular american continent
uh, cringe?

>>2072205
>Ethnically speaking Latin America is more native american than European.
Wrong unless your definition of "Latin America" is "Peru + Bolivia".

>>2072234
vgh... the aryan ethnostate of CVBA....

>>2072191
>discovered by an Italian
Nuh uh, everybody knows Columbus was a Jew.

>>2072244
Tbqh the harsh reality that ashkenazi jews would hate to admit is how they're likely very mixed with Italians due to how present they were in the Italian republics

>>2071218
Holland. Tall game is great for learning. Also it's pretty safe since you're in the HRE.

>>2072234
peruANO

>>2072313
Why do they look like asians

PAIN
IS
SALVA
TION
FLEE
FROM
TEMPT
ATION

>>2072347
More indians than spanish

>>2072166
>>2072177
>>2072188
I am german (no, not "german" like 80% of americans, I actually live in this godforsaken hellhole)
And you pastatards need to learn to take a joke

>>2072358
you must be extremely americanized to find this funny

>>2072005
>when you have a minority group in a location in EU5 they should get a bonus to political power
But most minority groups were marginalized and openly persecuted, see the Jews in Iberia for more on this.

>>2072132
>>2072148
they JUST DID japan bros

>>2072412
yeah don't care, I will familarize myself with it when I play them in like 2027

>>2072410
>But most minority groups were marginalized and openly persecuted
Only in response to said minority groups employing their ability to organise to the detriment of other groups. Persecuting a group should be a choice of the player and without that persecution they should have a clear mechanical advantage over the majority and thus cause unrest in the majority.

>>2072434
I agree in principle but being persecuted should be the default. Not persecuting them should be opt in, not opt out.

>>2072445
if you are the ruler there is no reason to persecute them if you benefit from them
your primary culture pops could have some increased unrest though I guess

>>2072453
Pretty much every country in Europe exiled them at this point in time and the ones who didn't (Netherlands, England after the Glorious Revolution) came to have their entire economy and society molded to their whims.

>>2072457
no they didn't you dumb /pol/tranny, jews were living in every big german, polish and italian city

>>2070158 (OP)
Is the game not out yet? like ive seen eutubers shilling for this a couple of months ago and than they stoped, maybe Ill stick to EU4 andjust take loans from the burgers and blob

>>2072463
you okay bro?

>>2072472
>/pol/tranny pic
you are legitimately retarded holy shit

>>2072469
yes it is

>>2072480
it's from wikipedia?

>>2072486
yeah a shitty sourced anglo/amerimutt one
anyway you cleary do not know what an "expulsion" entailed and neither did the guy making that pic if he conflates what heppened 1492 in spain to the rest of europe

>>2072472
Espacially for germany, people tend to overestimate the ability to enforce decrees like this in a highly decentralized "state" like the HRE. There are (well, were, kinda got burned down a lot 80 years ago) a lot of old Synagoges here that are sometimes centuries old, and jewish communities continued to be present.
I can't really speak for the Anglos and French, but didn't they invite them back in pretty quickly? The only ones who were ultimately successfull were the Spainards and the Portugese desu, and even they had a lot of Conversos (totally not Crypto-Jew)

>>2072496
it's on most different language wikis including the hebrew one
https://he.wikipedia.org/wiki/גירוש_יהודי_אנגליה

>>2072497
these "expulsions" were all localized events, its a shit pic

>>2072499
okay you imbecile show me the souce that says all jews had been kicked out of the HRE in 1100, 1358, 1510 and 1551
should not take long

>>2072501
No one made such claim in this thread

>>2072502
good than you agree with
>jews were living in every big german, polish and italian city

>>2072504
No body claimed they weren't. The claim was that Jews were persecuted in most European states.
Issuing meaningless unenforceable decrees against them counts as persecution.

>>2072506
>No body claimed they weren't
okay either you are a different person that is unable to follow the conversation where the original poster was clearly repeating the retarded pol narrative that jews were "exiled" from most european countries here>>2072457
or you are the same person and simply braindamaged

>>2072509
yes, the jews were driven into exile due to pogroms against them

I wonder why most hyperfocus on progrom against Jews when gypsy was also treated just as worse as them.

>>2072536
because gypsies are low IQ and had 0 political power

>>2072536
Gypsies have been pretty much irrelevant to the world since their very first days. At least Jews have given us some cool pieces of tech from time to time, and some of their girls are top tier with khazarian milkers.
Gypsies, on the other hand, are utterly useless.

>>2072536
Gypsies don't have immense political and financial power amassed through usury and nepotism nor do they have geopolitical aspirations that require them to use that power to promulgate their founding myth as the most important event of the 20th century which justifies all their terrible behavior, they just want to steal copper wire and children.

>>2072536
Gypsies only migrated to most parts of (western) europe only during the timeframe of EU5, so they were more a nuisance to the locals than a social group (more or less) integrated in society that you had to inteact with, like the jews.

>>2072536
Gypsies are untemensch, jews are ubermensch

>>2072558
>>>/pol/

stop seething at pol you retarded newfag

I am neutral towards Jews but I detest Israel

i'm the reverse
far as i'm concerned nationalist jews fucking off and founding their own country is pretty based

>>2072612
uh oh
that's antisemitic my friend

Where are even gypsies from

>Where are even
you should know, you're from there too rajesh

>eop indian attacking esl indian
uh oh stinky!

don't you bloody fuck me off i could afford to leave because i'm brahmin not dalit bastard

>>2072622
India, they were taken as slaves by the Muslims and moved around until their entire identity is being moved around the place.
They are called Gypsies because when they were asked where they were from they had no idea so since they were kind of brownish it was assumed they were Egyptian.
The Gypsies stuck to that idea because they were too retarded to record their own history and it was easy to steal the history of the Egyptions.

once again mudslimes prove that they're a plague

>>2072463
>>2072480
>>2072496
TKD

german or jewish
what's the difference?

one belongs in a labour camp and the other is jewish!

>>2072313
Maybe because asians colonized the americas from the bering strait before euros arrived later

>>2072652
If they're from India why are they swarthy whiteoids? Did they sexo Euros? I thought they were insular.

>>2071218
Fulo or whichever Fula Jihad states are in. I want to play as a free-roaming social movement.

>>2072005
>The groups who don't do that are generally (justifiably) hated because they compete with other groups around them rather than working together with them.
>Think about the Blacks in the United States
Tard narrative. You're confusing the intersectionalists with the isolationists. The former work with everyone, despite being stabbed in the back.

>>2072866
You don't understand what I said.

>>2072794
They steal children anon, where do you think the children go? They pimp them out until they are older then the children that have spent their lives being raped and moved around pretty much become gypsies. Then they breed with all the rest of them and that is why they are gradually turning white.

>>2072874
Spell it out if you really think so.

how the fuck is a nigger supposed to assimilate
an italian, irish, pole, russian, jew, etc can all simply drop the accent and start eating hotdogs and he's american, a coon is a coon no matter what

>>2072794
You haven't seen enough gypsies, anon. Half of them look straight from India, pic related is one in France

>>2072891
I've only seen these gypsies.
https://youtu.be/OqPP5EBUJGQ?feature=shared&t=214

>>2072901
Those aren't real gypsies. They're just Irish people that got evicted from their land after Cromwell's invasion that decided to LARP and not work.

>>2072908
Why didn't the British state fuck them up?

>>2072920
Because they go around and piss off the English, Scottish and Welsh plebs and make it easier for the British State to fuck up the Irish due to the hate the travellers garner.
Same reason why the British State let the Paki's rape a bunch of children. If the British people hate the Paki then the Paki need the protection of the British state and if they ever get out of line the British state could just let the natives wipe them out.
Hate is a powerful tool.

>>2072612
I am the opposite. Israel should be a thing so all jews could be sent there.

>>2072901
>>2072908
I can't believe how retarded Anglos could be to think continental gypsies (the ones who were evicted from India) and the island "gypsies" (the isolated irish clan who are basically hippies) are the same fucking thing.

>abstracted garbage: the game
why do vstdittors hype up this shit again ?

>>2071035
>>2071060
>>2071234
Is Kirishitan not a religion?

>>2071218
England to learn the new mechanics and ui and all that.
Once I actually know how to play I want to do Byzantium, The Knights, Cyprus, Ethiopia, and Oda. Greenland seems incredibly interesting but ironically is almost pure Catholic. Though maybe being a Norse Viking would be irrelevant if I was going to double down on the memes and convert to Nahuatl or something anyway.

>>2073000
Kirishitan are just Japanese Catholics, eventually becoming Crypto-Catholics (Kakure Kirishitan) and styling themselves as Buddhists in order to survive persecution

>>2073019
Why do the East Asians like Christ so much? Like a third of South Korea is Christian now, it's insane.

>>2073019
Yeah and Insular Christians are just Irish Catholics. A strong argument can be made for them being de facto their own religion. Not that I expect it to be in, I was just hoping.

>>2073022
It would be interesting if they had some event to model the portion of the Kakure Kirishitan population that chose to fully become their own thing even after contact was reestablished with Rome, the Hanare Kirishitan.

>>2073025
Can't forget the ones who were converted from Swahili traders aboard the Portuguese ships, the hakuna matata kurishitans.

>>2073021
And Chinese too, their brand of Christianity cause one of the bloodiest war in not just Chinese history but the whole world too. Insane how the casualties were more than WW1.

>>2073021
Korea is a pretty unique case since Christianity was more heavily persecuted under the Japanese occupation than Buddhism and Korean Shamanism, so it became associated with the Korean nationalist movement. Then the Americans favored putting them in positions of power since they were very unlikely to have been Japanese collaborators, eventually making them the prestigious and dominant religion in Korea.

>>2073029
Yeah, but they were illiterate peasants. Educated men were dying in WW1.

>>2073030
>the Americans favored putting them in positions of power since they were very unlikely to have been Japanese collaborators
bullshitsumnida
Americans empowered Japanese collaborators in Korea. In the rush to establish a state after WW2 they basically kept every institution that had already existed there, it was North Korea that was run by native Koreans.

>>2073021
>>2073029
I guess most people know about japan history with christian and various sects attempt to spread its influence in Japan
In china, it started pretty much roughly at the same time, (Ming dynasty) but with much less success due to China government seeing to benefit in working with foreigners (priests) who they considered barbarians anyway. Their best effort did converted a few high ranking court officers who helped them in the south, but that is pretty much it.
Korea current high population of christians is them putting it along side nationalism and trying really hard to larp as westerner/Americans whom they consider their current master (which was the chinese before)
The heavenly kingdom rebellion is not as tricky as you think. They only used Christian as pretext to rile up the peasantry who had no idea of any of this scripture. It is convenience because of a Messiah figure descending to save all that suffering, easy to preach, easy to claim to be the chosen one. You can see similar pattern in all rebellions with some religious flavors in chinkland, the actual religion doesnt matter. An example would be the yellow turban rebellion predated the Three Kingdoms.

>>2073033
It was a mix of both from what I’ve read. MacArthur wanted to keep all the collaborators around for the smooth transition, but public outcry led to the higher ranking ones being booted. So South Korea was run by a mix of lower ranking collaborators and Korean nationalists, while Best Korea sent all the collaborators to camps

>>2073053
>They only used Christian as pretext to rile up the peasantry who had no idea of any of this scripture.
It also didn't help the chinese hated the manchus with a passion that they basically used any excuse to fuck over them. The chinese rebellions of the 20th century had heavy racial connotaciones, but almost no historian focuses on this part.

>>2073118
They were the same race so it was ethnic.

>>2073029
>And Chinese too, their brand of Christianity cause one of the bloodiest war in not just Chinese history but the whole world too
Whenever there are disruptions to agricultural output in China, it turns into a self-sustaining cascade. You already had one of these episodes ongoing in the North when the Han nationalist movement spun up in the South.
Xiuquan intentionally had his followers abandon their farmland and turned them into a roving band that would attract violent repression by the Manchus wherever they went, leading to civilian executions on a massive scale, worsening the problem.
The death tolls were calculated by contrasting the pre-war poll data with the postwar polls, and those didn't align with reality.
Thus, you got the "bloodiest war ever".

>>2073021
I’d rather have my people be agnostic or atheistic rather than Christian, a bit humiliating to adopt the religion of foreigners and abandon your ancestors

>>2073279
well look at what happened to Rome, christianity just was a fashionable cult for the elites until it was mainstream

>>2073279
t.pedro muttberg

are you okay pagancuck?

>>2073338
I’m Asian…

>>2073364
As far as I know Korean elites saw their indigenous shamanistic faith as backward even during Joseon era, right? Pretty much the only one that support it was the Japanese who saw it as Korean version of Shinto.

>>2073396
I think so. From what I know (I’m Chinese not Korean), during the Joseon dynasty, they were extreme neo-confucians even compared to the Ming, recognizing spirits and deities that they exist but separating them from the governance, ignoring them, maybe some rituals to placate heaven but that’s a recognized concept in confucianism. I think they saw like many others at that time, sinicizing oneself as something to embrace rather than avoid. They sometimes stamped out Korean Shamans and sometimes Buddhists.

Goryeo is a buddhist state at the time so it makes sense the state religion is eastern buddhism, but after that it doesn’t make sense Joseon be a buddhist state (although many royals were private buddhists and sometimes left to be monks), it should have a religion like China’s that has their ethnic sect selected.

I heard that the Japanese also disliked Korean Shamanism and buddhism when incorporating Korea but targeted christianity more, enforcing state shinto and converting any shrines to shinto ones. The ones who replied above should be more accurate than me.

All the signs are pointing toward a July release. Whether it's early access or not remains to be seen

>>2073512
I don't know, most companies like September/October more for releases without huge marketing campaigns.

ck3 released in august

>>2072234
uhhh argiebros, why is brazil whiter.....

>>2073118
literally every historian ever says the taiping rebellion was a proxy for a han uprising

>>2072234
>cuba
what the fuck am i looking at?

>>2073118
>>2073580
both of you name 3 historians

You people are looking at history from a race-obsessed perspective, nobody joined in on the rebellion because of muh Han masterrace, there were many different factors but racial politics was not one.

>>2073584
Wikipedia
Reddit
Chatgpt
They keep plagiarizing each other though

>>2073584
me
that's it because i have the knowledge of at least 10 "(((aclaimed)))" historicans

>>2073585
obviously it wasn't a fucking race riot but objection to manchu culture (particularly the bianzi) was the principle reason, certainly before any fabricated reasons about god

>>2073021
I'd turn to Christ too if I was a korean born in Korea.

>>2073584
>Mary Beard
>John Keegan
>Jean Raspail
EZ

>>2073628
>Mary Beard

>>2073584
What he's saying isn't really controversial. The second anon that is the first is wrong. The Taiping regularly massacred Manchus and proclaimed them devils and demons and the wider war was a war about expelling such. That said, it's not necessarily Han nationalism but anti-Manchu sentiment specifically. Modern Chinese historiography plays up the revolutionary nature of the rebellion as well in how it framed itself as not yet another dynastic transition but a real change of the societal structure of China.

>>2073584
Herodotus
David Irving
Me

>>2073581
this is just a picture of Paris tbf

>>2073655
Those are Cubans though, not post WW2 migrants to Cuba who haven't mixed with the local population.

>>2073640
>Herodotus
>David Irving
Hello, based department?

>>2073581
the eurogene samples are likely skewed towards whiter cubans since they were wealthier and more likely to escape after the cuban revolution

>>2073584
Anthony Kaldellis
Choniates
Anna Komnene

>>2073791
>Anthony Kaldellis
I hate this nigger more than you can ever imagine bros.

>>2073811
Seethe harder, Gibbon.

>>2073719
wait, you mean ethnically based wealth distribution and structural racism exists?
chudbros our response?

>>2073839
They were the only ones with the mental capabilities to accumulate wealth. The niggermen spent all their cash on rims made of palm fronds.

>rims made of palm fronds
what sort of flintstone inspired racism do you subscribe to

god bless israel and god bless america

>>2073719
This is retarded and false

>>2073791
Based byzaboo podcast enjoyer
>>2073811
I'm on the fence on getting his New Roman Republic book, I enjoy a good autism tome but I don't want to deal with 200 pages of cope and seethe over 1204

still no poland flavour...

>>2074107
What flavour does Poland even have? Potatoes were not introduced yet.

>>2074078
>New Roman Republic
The Byzantine Republic book you mean? It's very whingy about the west and the Fourth Crusade* as you guessed and you can see the seethe at times. Besides that it can get "bogged down" in parochial and/or ecclesiastical affairs that while very important from a historical perspective might make for harsh reading if you're expecting something ala popular history. I can't say I hate the book but I disagree with it's central thesis of making the Byzzies some kind of popular Republic as quite simply words have meanings. The tribal confederation of the migration period are republics too by his measure. The Papacy too in regards to the Roman mob.

*He really seethes at the Crusaders holy shit. Views them as a precursor to colonialism.

>>2074107
I bet it will involve Jadwiga in some way or some form. She definitely will be the new Mary of Burgundy.

>>2074190
I read his other streams of gold book. Where he blames the loss of Anatolia on Roussel de Bailleul. He seems to have a hatred of Normans as well.

Maria! Unser frowe!
Maria! In Goetlicher schowe!
Kyrie! Eleison!
Alleluia! Globet sis du Maria.
Pain! Is! Salvation!
Flee! From! Temptation!

>>2074235
I could kiss that horse

>>2074107
makes sense they are just a russian/german roadblock after all

>>2074235
>She definitely will be the new Mary of Burgundy.
Fuck, you are right. Now I wonder if alternatives of the Polish-Lithuanian Union are also in the cards.

New Generalist Gaming EU5 spreadsheet video dropped
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9E6Qy8UKuM

>>2074357
>capital switching
extremely cringe, they better fix that in the release version

>>2074337
I like this meme
If only if it were in HD

>Play as Korea
>Form nice empire as it is pretty easy to take advantage of South East Asians and shit
>Europeans come around the bend
>Your income is mostly secure though so they aren't a threat
>China and Japan still could be a thorn in your side however
>Become nice with and ally European power to dissuade attacks
>The nice relations and closeness of the countries also allows a banking tag to worm its way across the world
>The bankers hit your country like a plague
>Suddenly they are destabilizing everything and funding ethnic revolts in your colonies
>Bank aligns itself with China and/or Japan
>Helps fund them to invade you while using their home branches to keep your ally from even coming to your defense
>It all comes tumbling down
>Now your once nice empire is just a bunch of fragments that serve no purpose other than enriching the banking tag
>Maybe the bankers even turn themselves into a country to further rub it on
How will you deal with situations like this in EU5? Even if banking tags aren't as ambitious on release, there will surely be a dlc and/or free update later down the line.

>>2074364
You're going to minmax WC and you're going to enjoy it.

>>2074419
>>Form nice empire as it is pretty easy to take advantage of South East Asians and shit
Stopped reading here. You shouldn't be playing it as a standard blobber.

>>2074419
Nice headcanon, but literally none of this will happen in EU5. Banks aren't independent, they certainly aren't sentient. Maybe if you were playing multiplayer but even then no one would play past 1400.

>>2074430
I wouldn't consider forming a colonial empire as blobbing. Perhaps it is a bit tasteless to do it as Korea though.

>>2074430
>blobbing is bad
This is what (((they))) want you to believe.

>>2074437
Koreans do not have faustian spirit, ergo they are not allowed to colonize.
There's a reason China bordered Siberia for millennia but Russians were the ones who eventually colonized it.

>>2074452
Yes, I am they.

>>2074452
>When the banking tags punish you for "upsetting the status quo" late game

>b mi
>Play England
>Don't press claims on the French throne
>Just be peaceful.jpg
>Build infrastructure
>Respect minorities
>Rearch 1837 without conquering anything
>Win

>>2074474
This would only be funny if you play as a country that seriously impedes another and just sit there unmoving. Also playing as a country with Swiss cheese borders and allowing thousands of minorities in and then letting them flood your neighbors.

>>2074490
>allowing thousands of minorities in and then letting them flood your neighbors.

>>2074474
this is the world people who sperg about "anglos" want

1. taking land your country did historically isn't blobbing
2. taking land that you have an ethnic/cultural claim on isn't blobbing
3. taking land that looks good and you can justify isn't blobbing
korean indonesia doesn't fulfill any of these and as such is blobbing
whereas england can conquer a quarter of the world

>>2074514
>korean indonesia doesn't fulfill any of these
Manchuria is rightful Korean clay.
Papua New Guinea and the whole island of Borneo is Indonesian clay.

>>2074552
>Manchuria
Russian.
>Borneo
Dutch.

>>2074554
>Russian
Not a thing in this era.

>Dutch
You mean the Northern Germans that became Spanish bitches?

>>2074558
The game runs until 1836.
Let me guess, you play Ulm until your attention span runs out in the 15th century then go play some subway surfers?

Evything in asia is portuguese clay.

Venetian*

>>2074568
Georgia being so powerful is interesting, but not surprising with how modern mission trees are.

>>2074569
EU5 Georgia is by all accounts ridiculously strong too

God, I hope EU5 doesn't have this shit.

>>2074568
Venice should never conquer inland, trade ports only

>>2074580
It should be viable to do this in EU5 and make as much/IF NOT MORE income than simply blobbing.
EU4 forces the player to directly annex entire regions for optimal results.

>>2074580
Trade Companies don't count.

Wish I had all the pictures from this campaign, had to save them from the archives years back.

>>2074577
I wonder if it will have a Malaria modifier. I do swear I remember you being able to stake outposts so that may help too. Part of why shit like this happens is because the AI has to take huge chunks of land through a combination of province size and needing it for trade to actually flow. In EU5 there is both small locations and a reworked trade system (not to mention African countries will work completely differently). Hopefully they have also changed how colonial range works. Europeans should be doing stuff on the other side of Africa by the early 1500s without having huge colonies in Africa and without having 50% of the New World already under their control.

>>2074577
I hope colonization is slowed extensively in EU5 overall.

>>2071218
Any Muslim superpower and conquer all euroaches

>>2074597
>Any Muslim superpower

>>2074600
Yes, I'll probably play Timur first

unfortunately the middle east is such a shithole I can never be bothered to expand there

>>2074606
The Mamluk Sultanate has been shown in gameplay ledgers to be the richest state of the entire europe/mena area

Egypt has always been my favorite place to conquer in basically any game. Juiciest Crusade target for Crusader Kings. Easiest target for Europeans in EUIV because you take the Sinai in the first war and their basically collapse afterwards. I think I'm going to have a lot of fun with EUVs earlier start date.

>>2074610
Or just play as Egypt recent update gave them an amazing mission tree

>playing as brown people
gross

>>2074613
Whitoids exist to be conquered tho

I really hope we can hybrid cultures so I can become a mongrel abomination

>>2074613
Copts are honorary Whites.

>>2074617
>mongrel abomination
just play as any muslim faction

>>2074619
They are literally darker than the average egyptian

>>2074621
Sorry chud but Islam won and at start date Mamluks, Timurids, Delhi alone are wealthieer than all whitoid jew worshipping nations combined

So much for europa """"universalis"""" lmfao

>>2074639
>jew worshipping nations
The Muslims worship the same figures and were extremely accepting of Jews in this period retard.

>>2074617
The cultures don't actually hybridize like in CK3 but the ethnic groups don't disappear so you can probably have all sorts of goofy looking stuff like Aztec Vikings.
>>2074619
Is there a feasible path to installing them as rulers in the Mamluks though? Seems like it would be more realistic for an outside power to conquer the region and then empower the Copts over the natives.

god the more i learn about history the more i realise literally every nation to exist were woke dei cucks and i don't want to play as them

the nazis were slaves to finance capital and let rothschilds go
stalinists were celebrating different cultures
trotskyists were even worse but were fags as well
all the old empires, britain, germany, france were funded and run by jews
the medieval economies were run by jews
the papacy stopped the first crusade from fighting against the jews so catholicism and religion in general is cucked too
rome was giving citizenship to any barbarian they could towards the end
alexander adopted more persian traditions than greek ones and actually forced his people to racemix
the greeks invented democracy that caused all this shit

why would i want to play any of these people? none of them are based and redpilled like me

>Youtubers played the beta
>Videos about the development process released
>Even the fucking official OST is out
So where the fuck is the release date?

>>2074644
Don't the Mamluks literally have a slave fetish? Just make a coptic slave your ruler.

>>2074674
I'm sort of like this. But I can play as anyone during the age of discovery and absolutism and such. It is when I get to Vic3's time. I can't play as any European nation as they begin to repulse me. What was once there isn't there anymore, or at least, rapidly being killed off. I'm left with pretty much no great power to play at start. This is because I also don't play America, despite American history being very interesting during this period, it feels far too boring to play as my home nation. The only powerful country I can really play as is Japan. But, of course, Paradox never represents Japanese history well. Even when it is a popular region with a really interesting history. A nation eeriely reminiscent of the west, that went on to become a proper western nation. Paradox doesn't care about this though and would rather just give it a bunch of meme mechanics. I seethed when domination didn't change the start date of Sengoku Jidai, a very minimal thing that at least would've slightly improved historicalness. I really hope EU5 can fix this. Sadly though, the other Paradox historical games don't show signs of fixing at all. Those keep hammering in meme mechanics and shit that might be fun to play with, but leads to ridiculous scenarios while the game continues to suffer from a lack of flavor.

>>2074674
ENTER

>>2074699
With nations that never made it to modern day, you can at least imagine

>>2074699
what part of alexander being a racemixer made you think i would want to play as the king of racemixing

>>2074674

>>2074702
That's not Burgundy.

>>2074704
The Spanish Empire had a very strict race policy. If you racemixed it is because you were a loser or an outlaw.

>>2074707
The fact they had to codify racemixing meant too much of it was going on.

>>2074709
Did it?

>>2074715
Literally yes. That chart was made because of the Rhineland bastards, when the French troops who occupied the Rhineland shipped in tens of thousands of niggers. Perhaps one of the single most Jewish events in history.

>>2074717
Then I guess the Holocaust happened after all.

Only in EU5 will you be able to literally go to war with the rothschilds. You could probably even find a way to exile them to Central Africa if you wanted to.

>>2074719
That's a fabrication.

>>2074722
They don't exist and any mod adding them would be removed for antisemitism.

>>2074723
But anon, the Nazis were killing so many Jews they had to codify it!

>>2074731
The nuremburg laws were created by the nazis. They admit this.
The list you posted was invented after the war.

I do wonder if we'll be allowed to expel people. Imagine expelling all English people from England.

What went so wrong with video games?

>>2074746
you mean what went so right

>>2074588
>I wonder if it will have a Malaria modifier.
They've confirmed malaria being a thing that periodically outbreaks and kills pops without resistance (so non-native pops pretty much).

>>2074811
It remains to be seen whether the AI will realize what malaria means or whether they will keep sending costly expeditions to subdue Niger because they won't understand how dangerous it is.

>>2074813
I really hope it is smarter now. It is 2025, AI should be able to make plans and stuff and make decisions smartly.

>>2074830
It takes chatgpt a few seconds to generate a response. Now add that for every single tag in the game.

Will EU5 simulate the population pyramid and demographic transition?

>>2074833
What is the point of those fucking pyramids. They all seem to say about the same thing.

>>2074834
Are you both blind and retarded?

>>2074838
The men and women halves are equal on all of them. There is no words on the axis to show if going up or down means anything. No assumptions that can be made about what they'd represent make logical sense. Sorry if it took you a long time to make the graph.

>>2074834
It starts with many children being born and few elderly, by the end of it birthrates are declining and there is a large elderly population. If the population gets too old you can expect a civilization collapse as they won't be able to continue maintaining key infrastructure unless they either somehow massively increase birthrates, import migrant workers, or lean heavily into automation

>>2074842
I'm talking about the pyramids on the bottom for gender. I understood the rest of the graph fine.

>>2074845
Nvm I can see it now. They really should've added something about age.

>>2074845
The population pyramid part is showing patterns, it doesn't need to add numbers because it asumes you're familiar with the concept.

>>2074845
The chart's website probably assumed you're already familiar with the population pyramid. Bottom to top of the pyramid is age, center to the sides is population size for each age group, generally split 50/50 men and women for each age group

>>2074455
Are you trying to say China isn't expansionist? Do you think China just spawned into the world owning 9 million square kilometers of land? They didn't expand into Siberia because it was worthless territory.

>>2074857
They didn't expand into it because it was worthless AND they had no way of truly subjugating the horselords.

>>2074857
>>2074859
the land was not worthless you retards, china just lacked the abilities to exploit it

>>2074869
And those abilities wouldn't exist for hundreds of years. It's like saying it was dumb that Rome didn't want to conquer Arabia because it ended up having oil.

>>2074871
Mines could have been built even in the 1500's.

>>2074874
Nothing would have been discovered, it would have been sparsely populated settlements operating at a huge lost as a vanity project to show the Empire that the Emperor could in fact subjugate a bunch of horse niggers.

>>2074875
Yeah, and China would never make a massive vanity project for no rason whatsoever.

>>2074857
>Asians have the conqueror spirit
>Conquer shit and become successful
>Grow decadent after sitting on it all for so long
>No longer expansionists
This is the explanation. The only one that stayed expansionist was Japan, only being held back until the late 19th century by the others being strong. Japan also has a very different history though so it doesn't really matter to the equation.
Tldr: Decadence kills all

>>2074883
this mf scared of grapes and chaise lounges

>>2074883
Then they've been decadent from the dawn of recorded history unless you're actually going to argue finno-korean hyperwar memes.

>>2074882
You are ware they literally did this, many many times, right? Subjugating the Horselords was impractical. Eventually Imperial power would wane and all the subjects/tributaries would break free again. They would have had to know of the resources to be exploited ahead of time for the colonization to have been worthwhile.

>>2074891
>You are ware they literally did this, many many times, right?
No way, really?

god im so glad japan never became decadent and thats why its the only based east asian nation

>>2074893
It was because they were always kept busy with natives, Sengoku Jidai, literal culture wars, etc. They almost lost this during isolation, but something about the terror of the black ships instantly reignited conquest within them.

>>2074869
They had plenty of ability to exploit it, their culture was just wrong.

>>2074833
>hyperurbanize your country really early
>spend the rest of the game trying to stave off population decline
>funnel in immigrants to replace dying pops
>spend the rest of the game dealing with ethnic conflicts
would be kino

>>2074915
>immigrants
>14th century

>>2074680
I think the schizoposters were right and the release date was supposed to be announced last week, but that it's now delayed for whatever reason. Would explain the marketing buildup leading into 'oops we forgot to post the dev diaries for a week', they decided last minute to postpone and were left scrambling for something to put out.

>>2074921
What do you think colonist are kek.

>>2074674
>woke dei cucks
If you're above the age of 23 there's still hope for you, if not then you are lost anyway.

>>2074674
it's almost like fascism isn't a real ideology

>jews are all powerfull gods
typical /pol/tranny fetish

>>2074474
that would be the equivalent of sweden, so you'll still end up overrun by muslims

>>2075242
>sweden
>peaceful
muttoid education everyone

>>2075242
sweden was anything but peaceful between 1337 and 1837

>>2074833
>Stage 5 (Yet to be seen)
That already happened before. This same shit happened in the Bronze Age Collapse, in the last days of the Western Roman Empire, in Song China and some African Empires.

>>2070624
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IriHuHQnMIw
EV3chads we are SO FVCKING BACK

>>2074921
Never heard of medieval migrant labourers?

>>2075120
don't you mean the opposite?

>>2075344
No? Cross country migration in the old world didn't happen at scale until after WW2.

>>2075477
Genuinely false and bullshit, even if you disregard the large movement of tribes during the fall of the roman empire and early mediaval settlements of Vikings.
During the games time period a particulary prominent example of migration is the Ostsiedlung, but generally there has always been some semi-local migration from areas of economic poverty to areas of prominence.

I'm going to import all of the Bavarians to Brandenburg-Prussia and prevent the Prussian menace.

>>2075477
Not sure if bait or American education

>>2075488
>>2075493
>tribal migrations
>anything analogous to immigration
for reference we're defining immigration in the sense THIS POST (>>2074915) means it
i.e: entirely peaceful movement of people between nations not in any sort of war, pillaging, razing, or otherwise hostile state

the closest example is a handful of flemish laborers moving to britain and that was no where near levels high enough to produce the ethnic conflict that post references

>>2075257
Srop talking bullshit

>>2075507
Retard, read my post. I said that even id you disregard tribal migration, there are many examples and I even give a specific one which your mutt education probably didn't cover since its not Anglo-related, but the ostsiedlungen very much fullfill your "criteria"

>>2075563
Ostsiedlung wasn't in any way expansive enough to cause ethnic conflict in the era. The post in question is trying to equate 21st century race relations to the 14th century. There simply wasn't the infrastructure to facilitate the sort of thing he's imagining.

>muh race relations

>>2075488
>large movement of tribes during the fall of the roman empire
Wasn't any.
>early mediaval settlements of Vikings.
Vast majority went back home after their piracy. Such is what viking meant.
>Ostsiedlung
The Ostsiedlug's main demographic effect was starting new towns which attracted the local Slavic rurals who'd be Germanised overtime as being so came with "German rights" given to said towns. The majority was still that Slavic mass.
Until the modern period there hadn't been a major population replacement since the Indo-European migrations.

>>2075592
>the langobards, ostrogoths, visigoths never existed

>>2075593
correct, stop drinking the Jewish kool-aid

>>2075507
>that was no where near levels high enough to produce the ethnic conflict that post references
Well, that post is talking about an extreme situation of a country with sub-replacement fertility in the Middle Ages. If birthrates collapse while the Medieval immigration rate remains the same (or even boosted due to new labor demands), you could end up with large ethnic enclaves.

>Tinto talks failed to create hype
>Name dropping EU5 failed to create hype
>Giving content creators access failed to create hype
>Putting up EU5 on steam failed to create hype
>Releasing the EU5 ost failed to create hype
The Flop to kill Paradox

>>2075624
Paradox's dlc practices and reputation will determine the financial success of eu5

>>2075446
yes

>>2075624
I just want to play the game already

>>2075593
>>the langobards, ostrogoths, visigoths never existed
Learn to read anon.
>Large movements.
The biggest of those, the Goths collectively, almost certainly numbered less than 200k people all together and it's unlikely all the invading Germanics breached a million people collectively.

>>2075286
I'm more a Falalalan kind of guy

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZxxjB-GiG4

>>2075624
nigga the forum is literally bustling with hype what are you on about

>>2075592
>The Ostsiedlug's main demographic effect was starting new towns which attracted the local Slavic rurals who'd be Germanised overtime as being so came with "German rights" given to said towns. The majority was still that Slavic mass.
ummm haplogroup testing proof?

>>2074842
And this can be fully forced by a government who makes having a family too expensive for the native population, but gives welfare to migrants.

>>2075675
Yes, the paypiggies are excited to open their wallets again. Both of them.

>>2074842
>you can expect a civilization collapse as they won't be able to continue maintaining key infrastructure unless they either somehow massively increase birthrates, import migrant workers, or lean heavily into automation
Oh God, cheaper houses, more jobs, better wages... The line isn't going up... This can't be happening...

>>2075663
That one's from 2, right? I started with 3 so the main theme resonates with my soul

>>2074915
>hyperurbanize your country really early
>spend the rest of the game trying to consolidate power in an over-devved region
>funnel in immigrants to replace decaying institutions
>spend the rest of the game dealing with ethnic conflicts

>>2075679
KYS Haplonigger.
To be serious don't have any for specifically the Ostsiedlung Germans. The Volga Germans are not Ostsiedlung if that's who you're thinking of.

>>2070158 (OP)
>Couple of questions:

>- Does the Yuan dynasty start as Tibetan Buddhists?
>- So in order to simulate the Joseon dynasty's dismantling of Buddhist monasteries and clergy, I need to disfavour every single available sect except Confucianism? What is the drawback of disfavouring this?
>- Will the Joseon dynasty and the Nguyen dynast in Vietnam have the ability to convert to Sanjiao through any of their own content or mechanics?
>- Does Confucianism have any involvement with the classes of scholar-officials / bureaucracy? Will they maybe pressure you to always favour that sect?

1. Yes.
2. There's some content related to this process, although we want to improve a bit how it's linked to the religion. What you can actually do is to favor Confucianism over the other sects.
3. Yes, as having a country religion that belongs to the same religious group. It's also the case for Yuán and Sanjiao.
4. Yes, there are some mechanics related to the scholar-officials that interact with Confucianism, but we'll talk about that in a later Tinto Talks.

Some talk about modifier stacking from Pavia

>The other issue is modifier stacking. The more different mechanics in EU5 provide modifiers, the more attractive stacking them becomes.

We're aware of this issue, as we have worked on late EU4. One of the brainstormings we had in the first or second year of the project was 'how to limit modifier stacking'. In general terms, there are fewer sources of modifiers that you can stack, as there are way fewer perma-modifiers (we've been very restrictive with this in the content, so as not to have an event that gives a modifier until the end of the campaign, for example). And on those sources of modifiers, there's usually a trade-off in what you select. So, specializing in a country on some modifier farming is still possible, but is far less important than in EU4.

>>2070919
No date yet, but Pavia confirmed Indonesia is next on the list. Maybe next week

>My only question in relation to this Dev Diary has to do with the Ring of Fire... will there be any scripted eruptions of Mount Tambora or nearby volcanoes, or will you leave it to random chance with your natural disaster mechanics?
More on this on the forthcoming Tinto Maps Feedback, as Indonesia is the next region in the schedule.

>>2075791
1. This is BLATANT bullshit. Literally every DD so far shows modifier stacking in the form or icons, works of art and religious modifiers.
2. Even if this were even remotely true it doesn't matter because sooner or later they're going to add bloat to the game to make it a modifier stacker.

Furthermore, last good game was V2.

V2 was highly overrated
t. 1k+ hours

V2 was fucking dogshit, the entire economic system was a meme (goods duplication), half of the game was fighting against the bullshit mechanics (saving and reloading to get 24.99 infamy, complete economic shutdown from lack of inputs post 1880~, having to bait the ai on to your mountain stack with a good general) boring gameplay loop (bureaucrats to 100%, intellectuals to 4%, encourage craftsmen for rest of game), optimal gameplay meta (4:4:1:1 armies, research point techs, literacy generating techs, national focus techs, medicine techs, factory input reduction techs, factory output improving techs, throughput techs) honestly probably the worst shit i've ever played
t. no idea how many hours, but definitely above 3k, probably closer to 5k

>>2075812
>>2075856
Both true.

https://youtu.be/OLdEOqfEouw?si=SIWRkTDIPFOaJbfd
What do you guys think of the soundtrack of eu5?

>>2075887
I'll be playing the game on mute while I listen to Chinese listening practice.

>>2075888
based

>>2075888
Chinese listening examinations are the worst.

>>2075887
They said they have multiple versions of each track for the 7 base cultures. I'd like to hear the African one

>>2075888
Link me fellow 老外

>>2076134
I imagine it sounds like that one godawful Ethiopian track in HOI4.

>>2075624
>t.Anon who posts in the hype thread

Did anyone at Tinto explain how migratory tribes and cultures are going to work yet? I want to play as a nomad

>>2075562
Do you really think this is the first time in history the worldwide population have had negative birth rates?

>>2076169
Coupled with low death rates? Yes.

>>2075507
>entirely peaceful movement
>putting raped corpses into kebab
>peaceful

>>2075654
This is it. Hype "collapsed" because we are essentially being edged. It is obvious that it is close, yet they refuse to announce a release date or even hint towards one. I highly doubt they are going to add anything to profound in this time, just let us play. It is more effective for testing and shit anyway to let thousands of players mess around and find stuff out. It isn't like the game has a story that would be messed up by letting us play it to early. I feel almost like the game is being delayed so long because they still haven't got all of the art done somehow.

>>2076211
this man doesn't know anything about either game design or marketing

>>2076211
Only a small fraction of giga-autists are being edged here and these are the people that are going to buy/pirate it on release anyway so they don't really need to be marketed to.
The real marketing campaign to build actual hype will probably start in a month or two with release date + another round of streamer vids+preorder bullshit

>>2076219
I can't see the release being more than a month away, it would be strange to give the game out to content creators so early. I also feel like those "making of" type videos are the campaign, the game has also been getting ads in the usual places.

>>2076134
Instead of having many tracks they have many forms of the same?

>>2076134
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iK75CxA-9p8

>>2076134
>I'd like to hear the African one
You're in luck, it got leaked.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSRk37SBre0

>>2076272
Antifa claim they're descended from the same anti-racist d-day landers who bopped to this.

>>2076272
Man this was great, I laughed a couple times. I really wish these things were postrationalized as not being black people or something instead of being labeled racist caricatures and banned. I suppose we do still get some things like this with cartoon gorillas, but it just isn't the same.

>>2076284
>I suppose we do still get some things like this with cartoon gorillas, but it just isn't the same.
I laffed thank you anon

I just noticed that the funny wojak/frog/ack!poster regularly commenting the tinto talks diary got banned at the beginning of the month. Sad to see, he was a funny guy.

>>2076211
>>2076221
They are looking to actually have a strong release rather than a beta test release. I'm sure there's a shit ton of polishing/balancing/bug fixing to do. Better to wait than have a game that's DOA.

I figure the release date will be known in about a month, Pry for oct or nov

>>2076361
EU5 is going to be a flop on the level nobody has ever seen before. It's basically just an imperator port. The levies, pops, modifier spam religions, character system, and everything else is taken directly from it.

>>2076368
hoi4 is worse than hoi3, not a flop
eu4 is worse than eu3, not a flop
ck3 is worse than ck2, not a flop
vic3 is worse than vic2, not a flop
you're just coping because eu5 will be actually good and not toddlerslop like eu4

>>2076384
>points to literally everything other than what i said
Imperator IS a flop. And EU5 is trying to mirror it in every way possible.

>>2076384
EU5 is going to be better which is why it's going to flop.

>>2076394
This. Imperator is also the best Paradox game since V2.

>>2076342
he may even be among us

I don't want to sound like a shill or anything. But is it just me who thinks EU5 looks absolutely great? Like, no matter what problems it has on release, it will at least be fun to play for hours.

>>2076284
Personally I always liked this one better.
https://archive.org/details/merriemelodiescoalblackanddesebbendwarfs1943
These are probably the two most famous of the banned cartoons.

>>2076342
>funny

>>2076397
Imperator was great mechanic-wise but had absolutely zero historical content.

>>2076509
True. Luckily Invictus fixes that problem.

>>2076397
You seem to forget the fact that it failed because the launch was EUIV 2.0 except lacking even from the skeletal corpse that was that game, it only became what it was today through years' worth of updates, at which point it was too late and abandoned to be a husk of a game.

>>2076368
The pop system is nothing like Imperator's.

Where’s the new thread?

https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/developer-diary/tinto-talks-69-25th-of-june-2025.1806956/

Hello, and welcome to another Tinto Talks, the happy Wednesdays where we talk about Europa Universalis V!

Today we will talk about two situations that impact Italy in the first 200 years of the game: the Guelphs & Ghibellines and The Italian Wars. They’re kind of related, but independent in how they play. Let’s start without further ado:

Guelphs & Ghibellines

Some of you may remember the ‘Shadow Empire’ incident of EU4, where the Emperor ‘races’ to keep the Italian countries inside the HRE. However, one century earlier, the political landscape of Italy was more complex in that regard, as two main political factions had been fighting for around 200 years: the Guelphs, defenders of the Pope, and the Ghibellines, supporters of the Imperial power.

As you can see, Italy starts already divided into these two factions, Guelphs and Ghibellines, with their own leaders - Naples for the Guelphs, and Milan for the Ghibellines. Two months after the start of the game, you’ll get the event ‘The Political Landscape of Italy’, which starts the situation, and a few days later, this one that allows you to realign early on:

This is the situation itself, with a map of its starting factions if the player doesn’t change (as the AI will stay in their starting faction by default):

Note: Some tweaks regarding the coloring still need to be done.

The situation revolves around diplomacy - each faction will try to get as many Italian countries to join its faction, either by peace or by war:

As you may have seen in the panel, some actions can be performed, which are slightly different depending on which faction you belong to:

To end the situation, you need to have 100% Progress achieved for your faction. If the Age of Discovery starts (in 1437) without one of the factions having won over the other, a stalemate will happen:

There are 3 different outcomes for the situation:

If the Guelphs win, all countries with a capital in the Italy region will be forced to leave the HRE

If the Ghibellines win, all countries, except Naples, Sicily, the Papal States, or the Two Sicilies, will be forced to join the HRE

If neither side can achieve 100% Progress before the Age of Discovery starts, whoever is in the Guelphs will either stay out or leave the HRE, and whoever is in the Ghibellines will stay in the HRE.

This is an example of the ending event for the ‘Stalemate Outcome’.

The Italian Wars

The Italian Wars is a situation that may be triggered if the Holy Roman Emperor, or a French or Iberian foreign power (which is defined here by either being a Great Power in game terms, being of Kingdom rank, or having at least 5M pops) attacks a country in the Italian region after the Age of Discovery has started:

As you can see, three Foreign Leagues, one centered around each region (HRE, France, and Iberia), will be formed, while three Italian Leagues will also be formed. The chosen countries are those regarded as more powerful in each region:

Note: I forced the situation through console commands, so the RNG gifted us with a regent in France, and the main countries chosen as League Leaders were quite similar to those more powerful in 1337.

As you can see, there’s also a mix of diplomacy and war that can be conducted to ‘attract’ other countries into your sphere - you can either do diplomatic actions to invite them, or you can conquer them through force to incorporate them into your League.

The situation can end either if any League controls or has the support of at least 200 locations in Italy, or if 50 years after the start of the Italian Wars, the Foreign Leagues don’t have any locations in Italy.

The results may be the following:

And that’s all for today! We will come back on Friday, as we will talk in Tinto Flavour, about two Italian countries, Milan and Naples.

And also remember, you can wishlist Europa Universalis V now! Cheers!

>>2076881
Everything here looks good

>>2076877
Cant believe these fucking retards are really putting SHIT AI "art" in the game. It's a sure sign it's gonna be junk.

>>2076948
>AI "art"
Nigger actual artists drew that
Stop being so paranoid

>posting the DD in the thread past bump limit
oh shit nigga what are you doing

>Nigger actual artists drew that
>Stop being so paranoid

>>2077143
Honestly I don't think AI is quite as lazy as this same face shit holy fuck.

>>2077143
>Entire tribe of Joe Rogans

>>2077143
Why do the 3 people in the front all have the same face but there are actually different faces in the background what the fuck? LMAO

>>2077133
the fuck do you care about the bump limit faggot? this is a slow board, the thread will be here for another week

>>2077158
They're Jango Fett

>>2077159
I don't want to have to keep 3 different threads open checking for replies.

>>2077143
>>2076948
Take your meds

>>2077143
AI wouldn't copy the same 3 faces, this is actual lazy artist slop

>>2077158
The guys in the background aren't different faces, they're the 3 guys at the front repasted

How do you go from this...

...to THIS!?

>>2077205
>>2077209
Okay you may have a point there

>>2077209
Isn't that an event image, not a loading screen?

>>2077209
Considering how good CK3 arts is I guess it's not really generational thing but more due to Tinto's artist being way worse than the main one in Stockholm.

>>2077329
I check again, they just rehire the same guy (Craig Mullin) who made EU3 loading screen for CK3 too.

>>2077333
Gotta add "masterpiece" and (craig mullin:1.5) to the prompt next time

>>2077372
What does the :1.5 do?

>>2077412
Adds 50% more Craig Mullin to your original artwork

>>2077143
One of the biggest flaws of AI is being ass at actual consistency, this is just a lazy artist.

>>2077209
>those hands
Okay with this one I can definitely see a point.

>>2077209
this is not a loading screen you retard

>>2077333
The CK3 teams approach is actually pretty intresting, the made a post about it (second half of the DD). They actually do use AI to generate sample colour themes as part of the process.
https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/developer-diary/dev-diary-145-legends-legitimacy.1624620/page-5

>>2077183
You're fucking wrong. That pic he posted is way better than the original.

>>2077540
You have never seen a flower in real life. They're more vibrant than that.

>>2077540
In what way? He literally just removed the color to make it look more dead

>>2077551
>>2077552
ngmi

>>2076948
>>2076994
It isn't AI but I wish it was.

>>2077557
It's probably even worse than that. They probably used AI for the concept and then had an actuwl "artist" draw it.

>>2077555
Turn the gamma down on your monitor, retard.

>>2077536
I see, he isn't involved with DLC arts but Paradox's inhouse illustrator is really good at aping his style. So it loops back to Tinto's artist just being shit kek.

>>2077559
It's this, these are obviously drawn by an actual human but the composition speaks of AI concept art.

Can someone who knows how to use AI image generation actually make a craig mullins esque loading screen so we can see if it'd be shit or not?

the art shown here is intented to be used for tiny event pictures not seen fullscreen, we haven't seen a loading screen yet
why are people so retarded?

>>2077608
The title image is also AI generated and that's in 4k

>>2075682
So then it wont be a flop if paypiggies will give them money?
which is it

>AI AI AI
just say that you're a zoomnigger with nonexistent attention span that has seen an AI picture on reddit once and now think that every drawing that has a style different from your favorite twitter porn artists is AI.

guys he may have a point

>>2077649
lmao, the absolute state of Paradox """ärtists"""

>>2076994
>>2077193
It's 100% AI, the retarded background, the composition of the scene, the details (the faces, the expressions, the shields' shape, the swords' length).
Not even a literal retard could conceive this shit, it's an AI generated image and paradox """artists""" tried to make it less obvious.

>>2076869
>those flagstones on the ground
>the building perspectives
yeeeep its aislop time

>>2077776
>>2077818
The last time you brainlets started calling everything AI (I think that was CK3 too?) the devs posted a timelapse I think. Maybe the Tinto-Intern posting here (=Johan) can put in a word that the mongoloids need to be btfo again.

>>2077841
You are literally retarded. Look at this shit. And it's not even the bigger problem with it.

>>2077841
"Generate a timelapse like animation of this image being drawn in the style of gay youtube artfags"
Done.

Grok, write me a 4chan post that sounds like a whiny faggot please
>2077841
>You are literally retarded. Look at this shit. And it's not even the bigger problem with it.

>>2077932
You sound very butthurt and emotionally invested, you are either a woman or some kind of monkey paid by paradox

>>2077919
What's the problem? It's just a halberd similar to the one on the left

>>2077939
No, it's completely lacking the grappling hook to pull at the bottom. The blade has a shape and slope that didnt exist.

>>2077942
And italians used billhooks, not halberds

>>2077943
We used halberds in Italy too

If the art is AI, why not gen some just like it yourself?
We could have infinite custom loading screens of whatever you want.

>>2077943
I was at the Met recently and they had a display that was purely Italian halberds.

>>2077943
https://wiktenauer.com/wiki/Giacomo_di_Grassi

Every single person that unironically uses "aislop" is trans by the way.

>>2078029
based, I saw that

>>2077841
I like the CK3 art. This art is different.

>>2078159
Art is anything that evokes emotion, makes you feel.
This makes me extremely angry, thus is art.

https://old.reddit.com/r/EU5/comments/1lkae85/is_poland_going_to_be_unplayable_in_this_game/
Thirdie nationalists are already flocking in the subreddit
>erm guys, is [insert one of the most important countries in medieval europe] going to be unplayable? In EU4 you could do a world conquest by 1550 and it looks like it won't be the case in EU5?
>I'm want to buy the game to only play [insert one of the most important countries in medieval europe]

>>2078192
Poland is second-world though
He's a secondary

>>2078192
Only east euros act like this, maybe chinks too.

Give me the fucking game.
I am tired of these fucking DD's

They're revolting on the forums
https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/threads/eu-v-is-even-easier-than-eu4-according-to-a-youtuber.1807938/page-2

>>2078245
>EU V is even easier than EU4, according to a Youtuber
Literally how? EU4 was piss easy as you could get.

>>2078245
>Unreleased game has bad balance.
The Youtuber is a retarded faggot and anyone concerned about this is likewise a retarded faggot.
What matters is content and core mechanics, not balance that can wildly change from hotfix to hotfix.

>>2078247
The guy in the video said that the aggressive expansion is very forgiving at the moment so you can avoid coalitions easy.
That is literally it.
Oh wait, he also complained that not every country has a formable to work towards.

>>2078245
I figured this would happen. They made it more like MEIOU but everyone forgets MEIOU is piss easy to an almost ridiculous degree. You can recruit a few regiments and have Europe's biggest army. It all looks very complicated but you pretty much can't lose unless you pick a purposely masochistic start.
EU5 seems like this, there's all these complicated mechanics but you can just build some buildings for tons of money, raise some regulars, and full annex everyone because they're all weak.

>>2078265
If the player and the AI have 1 button to interact with the world then the AI is going to win because they will push the button faster.
If the player and the AI have 10,000 buttons then the player has the advantage as they can decide to press the correct button first.

>>2078250
That would mean day one world conquests could actually be possible despite what Paradox have been saying all these months.

>>2078270
true, but I think it's also because both MEIOU and EU5 nerf countries into the ground by default, compared to EU4
MEIOU has force limits in the single digits and the AI will never go over force limit, so if you make an extra couple of guys you win the game
The counter is supposed to be raising levies but it doesn't really work. EU5 also has tiny armies and levies so maybe it's a similar issue.

Basically countries are baseline weak, but played correctly can grow strong, which is good and fun for internal management. But that means all the other countries are weak and stay weak so the war/diplomacy is easy.
The Victoria games are like this too

>>2078277
At least EU4 has the "lucky nations" which actually set those countries as overpowered in comparison with the rest.

>>2078250
>Oh wait, he also complained that not every country has a formable to work towards.
He was talking about Hungary, which makes some sense. What's their campaign goal supposed to be? They're already at their peak.
If the AI were threatening it might actually be fun because then their objective could be "survive" as the Ottomans threaten to roll you over from one end and the Habsburgs try to eat you from the other

>>2078282
That's ultimately the best solution, just give the AI big buffs and give historically successful countries ridiculous buffs. I don't even mean Lucky Nations, more like Mythical Conquerors in Anbennar. I don't really care if the AI is "cheating", I just want them to be a threat. EU games are asymmetrical anyway.

>>2078284
China is also at it's peak but I don't see the argument that they would be boring to play.

>>2078296
China instantly collapses into a rebel swarm that fights in a big thunderdome.
But yes once you unite the country after that (~1370?) it's probably boring. The Ming should be a dysfunctional state that barely controls anything, but it'll probably be depicted as efficient and centralized

>>2078284
>They're already at their peak.
Not even close. The Hungarians could have conquered the whole Central Europe if they got their way.

>>2078265
GOOD

Paradox games should always be power fantasy simulators. Competitive gaymers and their consequences have been a disaster for the GSG genre.

Look at V2, piss easy. You can beat the fucking UK as the Dutch in 1836 and get South Africa at the same time. That is what these games should be, not sweatfests for wc cheevos.

>>2078245
They're on the paradox forums, of course they're revolting.

>>2078284
This pic never fails to make me angry, and I'm not even remotely related to hungary or hungarians.
Hungary held those territories for centuries by WW1, even thought they never made serious efforts or never really cared to magyarize them. They got punished the most in a war their retarded overlords forced them to partake in because they happened to hold territories majorly inhabited by hostile people that bongs/mutts wanted as allies.

>>2078284
>>2078501
Why would they partition Austria-Hungary, but then even restore lands to Austria that were held by the "Hungary" part of the union? Was Hungary actually viewed as the central part of the union at that time? Was it?

>>2078501
>the hungarian victim viewpoint
Let me guess, the Scottish were victims of English imperialism too?

>>2078501
nah the hungarians make the serbs look like saints

>>2078505
Still funny to me how they call their wars with England an independence war even though they never lose in the first place. They are an equal to England for most of their shared history.

>>2078501
>Hungary held those territories for centuries by WW1
No they lost and then Austria libereated them.

>>2078505
Anglos are a cancer and ruin every single thing they touch, so I'll reply yes to your question.

>>2078501
If you've held territories for centuries and those territories are still majorly inhabited by hostile people then you probably didn't deserve those territories anyway.

I don't even know what is going on in the Hype forum thread anymore but this one is pretty funny.

>>2078533
Read the tintomaps/feedback balkan threads, it was majority hungarian and then romanians and slavs migrated there when the ottomans invaded.

>>2078322
>could have
>if
:)

"hungarians" have been mostly german-slavic mutts since atleast the 1400s

>>2078647
so just like Poles and Czechs?

>>2078505
Yes?
>>2078511
>They are an equal to England for most of their shared history.
Nice joke.
>>2078647
Genetic impact of the Slavs and Germans to Hungary is minimal, especially the Germans.

>>2078658
>Genetic impact of the Slavs and Germans to Hungary is minimal, especially the Germans.
lmao "hungarians" are even less magyar than "turks" are turkic

>>2078662
Sir we are proud mongol hun magyars purest race of people of the world not filthy dalit slavs. slav men slave hungarian mean hungry we eat slave
Do not redeem the trianon filthy gypsy

>>2078396
Kek

>>2078501
idgi

>>2078159
AI sloppa
>>2077992
It's happening but EU5 should be better than some AI generated porn dont images you think, you are paying 60bucks for this shite

>>2078708
>>2078708

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