Which way, anon?
https://files.catbox.moe/80z6tb.png - Bormann TNO2 flowchart (never releasing).
https://files.catbox.moe/j8tp21.pdf - December roundtable notes. Germany never.
https://files.catbox.moe/c5pdqt.png - Japan rework. OTL PMs only, please.
https://files.catbox.moe/xlhrjj.pdf - Sweden proposal. Dev back from break, will respond to all bait.
https://files.catbox.moe/ycctp0.png - Sweden flowchart. We lost Pakt Sweden for this OTL-fest.
https://files.catbox.moe/uq883w.pdf - Brazil-Argentina war design doc with mandatory non-canon nukes.
https://files.catbox.moe/m4x325.png - Fash Brazil content you'll never get to play.
https://files.catbox.moe/l70qhw.pdf - Burgundian Eulogy: Burgundy 2 was real but got scrapped like everything else.
https://files.catbox.moe/zff5y4.pdf - Serov "facelift" document. The first leg in the now confirmed Komi rework.
https://files.catbox.moe/ymgaur.pdf - Amur rework doc. Over two years in dev hell, still no release date.
https://files.catbox.moe/48jovf.png - Kingdom of Montenegro flowchart.
https://files.catbox.moe/xfzdpv.png - Croatia flowchart #1.
https://files.catbox.moe/n2227q.png - Croatia flowchart #2.
https://files.catbox.moe/8oi80v.png - Old Bulgaria. You were robbed of Bulgaroslavia, anon.
https://files.catbox.moe/2ru4q1.png - Thailand flowchart.
https://files.catbox.moe/iwmxg6.pdf - Manchuria doc #1.
https://files.catbox.moe/cgaqrz.pdf - Manchuria doc #2.
https://files.catbox.moe/y2hc34.pdf - Manchuria doc #3.
https://files.catbox.moe/96kjev.pdf - Manchuria doc #5.
https://files.catbox.moe/vdpi8k.pdf - Red Italy proposal.
https://files.catbox.moe/3n9lq9.pdf - New Granada walltext.
https://files.catbox.moe/r86sw7.pdf - 200p walltext about Colombian soccer mechanics.
https://files.catbox.moe/4w4k3k.png - Turkestan Legion rework flowchart.
https://files.catbox.moe/cdag1w.pdf - Vote Pig, the US rework proposal. Read all about this hot new TCT mod.
https://files.catbox.moe/izg02l.png - 6th (?) space race mech rework mockup.
https://files.catbox.moe/2ln5tz.png - New Congressional mechanic leak.
https://files.catbox.moe/3ynutc.png - More Americanized Denmark GUIs.
https://files.catbox.moe/iicybx.pdf - Nixon characterization doc for writers. It's what you think it'll be.
https://files.catbox.moe/9p7n8b.png - Vote Pig Nixon tree mega leak.
https://files.catbox.moe/go9tnq.png - VP Reuther tree.
https://files.catbox.moe/ez4g4c.png - VP Schlafly path. Peak evil Republican fascism let's go!
https://files.catbox.moe/joltgi.png - VP Yorty tree.
https://files.catbox.moe/m1i3hv.jpg - VP rework leak, Hiram Fong replaces Romney scrapping years of work in the process because it "didn't fit the Republican narrative".
https://files.catbox.moe/0iyr6c.jpg - RepubliKKKan GUI (yes really).
https://files.catbox.moe/71ilh5.png - Central America design. Half of Germany still has its content disabled by the way.
https://files.catbox.moe/edk50c.png - Costa Rica design chart. No, none of this will ever be playable.
https://files.catbox.moe/hi1h3m.png - China flowchart. Many happenings, out shared outcome.
https://files.catbox.moe/djf9rg.pdf - Latest Moskowien rework proposal. Years of work flushed down the toilet for less gameplay and no wars.
https://files.catbox.moe/9nqmlk.pdf - Iberian Wars rework document.
https://files.catbox.moe/0m6sx5.png - Starting map of the new Caribbean
https://files.catbox.moe/fgb3kj.png - Starting map of the new Morocco
https://files.catbox.moe/zh06f9.png - British Guiana flowchart
https://files.catbox.moe/5anjuv.png - 5 new Caribbean nations flowchart
https://files.catbox.moe/nlrpjl.pdf - British West Indies lore document
https://files.catbox.moe/s9rx4e.pdf - GGR Constitution for TNO.
>American Nightmare: TNO reveals its USA rework, an OTList extravaganza featuring two dozen liberal centrists in a sea of fail states, minigames and nothing ever happening. Scheduled for 2026.
>Leakers redeemed: Nearly all leaks from years back have been confirmed or teased including the NPP deletion and more.
>2WRW finally releases the Omsk update after removing all reworkers and nudevs from the team and spending a month undoing their ODF integration work.
>Gameplay is back on the menu: Playable WW3, a battle for Berlin and massive nuclear exchanges.
>2WRW devs tease a post-apocalypse campaign is coming next for Omsk with the players reconquering the radioactive wastes.
>Results from the TNO community survey reveals a polarized community as most people didn't bother with Mexico or Brazil, performance dips from the map, and more predictable results.
>Anon claims that a roundtable has scheduled the DV integration announcement for slated for sometime around the 22nd. Take it with a grain of salt.
>Government in exile: The former 2WRW reworkers launch their own anti-Redux mod and set up two new Discord servers.
>Partial Colombia civil war rework announced, citing unrealistic ideologies as the reason. Scope unknown.
>Anon uncovers flowcharts proving that a Norway rework where Germany could lose existed but was scrapped.
>TNO Rides Again puts out its 1.0.5 update, adding Italian content and new rewards for winning wars.
>Corn still refuses to post a Russia dev diary.
>TNO JANNY TERROR LEVEL: ELEVATED
Mango has dispatched jannies to shill for Vote Pig.
>LEAK REQUESTS
We have requests for: The original Ukraine proposal, the old proposals/charts for Chile, Turkey and India with their civil wars, and any old pre-release Argentina proposals. Step up to the challenge, leakers!
Wonder how long it will take for the first tno janny to arrive
Why did the Trannyfarms version of TNO cut out Guangdong? I hate MangoTNO as much as everyone else, but why cut out Kuzunoha's masterpiece, when he has done nothing wrong and Guangdong is a beloved story except by those from Mango-TNO?
>>2094888They didn't cut it. The version fork simply predates TT and Guangdong and the dev hasn't ported Guangdong over to it.
Are the 2WRW team bring back Yockey's Imperium America?
>>2094915Pretty sure they're busy wrapping up their work on Russia and fixing bugs for the foreseeable future. They're definitely not even thinking about taking on Vote Pig though so there's at least a chance that we'll see old NPP return.
Are there are any dev plans for Ireland?
>>2094932Redux or Kiwi Order? Doubt it.
Vanilla? Wouldn't surprise me. But I guarantee you it would have no unification and IRA would be a fail state.
I think it's very silly that 2WRW Omsk has the economy mechanic unaltered. Are you telling me that absolute militaristic nightmare that wants to start a nuclear war cares that their credit rating is in the gutter?
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>>2094932Ireland dev has practically been dead for about as long as the German rework has been a thing. You're better off playing Kaiserreich at this point.
>>2094938The KF dev doesn't like TT and wants to focus on Russia and Germany so you're in for a long wait.
>>2094939They said it was something they'd look into and that it was something they weren't able to properly test. The problem is that the entire mechanic itself obstructs wars by making the armies you need in HOI4 prohibitively expensive to field. Honestly they should just incorporate TFR's model. It seems far more suited for the kind of gameplay they're going for.
>>2094934what is the kiwifarms folks planning for their own version of TNO? I saw their mod page on workshop and it seems not very popular
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3406575658
>>2094964Posted in the last thread:
>>2087881>>2087883>>2088014It's just one person doing it and it's mainly through a public Git. It has some interesting things going for it still.
>>2094898>>2094945As much as it disappoints me that the Trannyfarms fork of old TNO cuts out TT content, as a former TNO dev it baffles me how incompetent the TNO team is with 300 people and inability to push out updates while one guy manages to produce worthwhile interesting takes on old TNO and implement them, all because they aren’t held back by muh realism or whatever bullshit Mango’s clique uses to justify tossing everything out right before it’s time to begin implementing things. Fuck them all.
>>2094988You can say the same about 2WRW recently. It was only a very small number of people that did actual coding and game design with most of the old devs posting mockups of focus trees without effects and Denmark GUIs. Then in a fraction of the same time and with a fraction of TNO's manpower they turned it around and are making the post apocalypse playable. Sure it's rough around the edges and so is TNO Rises Again, but both of them and especially RA have minuscule resources compared to TNO's several hundreds of devs. And what do they put out? The world's most convoluted minigames that not even their remaining playerbase likes.
Great work coming from the 2WRW devs. How much people have contributed to making Omsk finally a reality? Who are the big ones who did the most work? I have been out of touch for over a year now, so I'm a bit blind over here. I'm glad it beHcame a reality though
How's the new omsk tree, worth playing yet?
>>2095017Whenever I think about my time in TNO I just feel miserable. I loved that mod, as much so as I was ecstatic when they accepted me in to the dev team, thinking I would be able to produce the same content that would make others love TNO for the same reasons I loved it. As soon as it became undeniably apparent that nothing would ever get done and all I would ever see were the things that drew me to the mod get slowly torn out in replacement of a snoozefest, I wanted nothing more to do with them anymore. Sorry for the trauma dumping, but the whole experience with TNO has left nothing but a bitter taste in my mouth when it comes to HOI4.
>>2095037Good talk, I remember when old world blues came out, I recall maybe a year before that the memes the community made about Oskar and such...that shit was a long time ago, the heydrich update, toolbox theory, guangdong...this mod has come far and honestly even the decay of it is much more interesting than say road to 56, there's passion and soul, and drama to be had here. All these years passing by, fundamentally there was one version of TNO, OWB, and after that it's all derivative, there's never been a change that made me say, "oh, this is a revamp", just small cuts and additions.
There was one team in the beginning that made TNO and everything after that was middle management, just bickering and debating, that's it, the first release was so magical that all they can do is try to reach it again, but the guys in there right now wouldn't make TNO in the first place if it was up to them, they're just sweeping dust off a statue
>>2095035>Who did itThe new Omsk lead that took over sometime in January, salvaged the tag from mostly being mockups into actually being playable, rewrote much of the story and is currently working on the post apocalypse campaign for the tag:
>>2093934The new lead of the mod since June formerly of Heldenvolk fame, actually got it out of the door and prevented the mod from collapsing during recent dev drama over the Antarctica map:
>>2093155Those are the most public facing ones but there are obviously several coders, artists and writers that did a lot of work too. They made a channel on their Discord for thanking the team for their hard work, you should pay it a visit if you want to know more of them.
>>2095036It's OK and playable but consensus is that you should wait for the hotfix if you can.
>>2095037You're hardly alone. Nearly all former devs that post here seem to feel that way.
>>2095037When did you leave the team?
>>2095056Maybe a couple months ago or some time last year, I don't remember.
>>2094945>The KF dev doesn't like TTBetween this and him talking about Balkan content this guy is growing on me. The economic system that TT introduced is by far the worst part of TNO even if it did help with Guangdong's presentation.
>>2095106No wonder you're so miserable if you stuck it this far into the bad times. Usually the way that it works out is that the later you quit and the longer you spent there the more you'll hate your time there.
>>2095159I like parts of it but more in theory than execution. 2WRW should just copy TFR's economic model while keeping the socdev structures imo. But you might be right and that going back to basics is the best.
>no event picture or news for the capture of Germania
come on, it was teased before..
>>2095389maybe on the 27th update
Does anyone have the save file after the nukes fall? I wanna look what's left and who leads in the wasteland. Just put it in a catbox or something onegaishimasu.
>>2095402Probably easier to just look through the events folder to get the id
>>2095389Since they even commissioned artwork for it that must've been a mistake. Go and report it.
>>2095402It's in the Omsk leader graphics folder but they're going to change up a lot of it for the proper ending. There's some hints at the endings for the fail state too. I saw someone post this and since the file name has "victory" in it we might get to reconquer Siberia.
>>2094834 (OP)Is this a good great trial template?
>>2095213I only have these feelings of resentment when I come to these threads and think about what the mod could and should have been. I could not have been more relieved to be out of that cesspit of toxicity.
>>2095488I remember when I quit, anon. At first it felt bad like I was losing a chance to make something but now I realize that I'm a much happier and more well-adjusted person without them and their highschool type of politics and cliquey bullying.
>>2095389>>2095390They are in the game, it just won't fire for some reason. Some members in the spoiler discord were talkiny about it and dumpster diving the mod files.
There is an event chain that begins when you surround Berlin and begin to siege it. Apparently there were also plans for making events if the Black League started to lose and a fail-event if German troops ever reach Omsk bunkers.
Hope the november update will fix those and add more upon it
>>2095456>That production cost.Omsk barely have GDP buffs. You will lose all your production units before you can even field this monster, let alone a full 12 stack of it
I had a weird dream where Panzer never left and he and Pacifica leaded the mod in a rough, but fair co-fuhership. Content released each semester and TNO reached a "complete state", with Himmler and Burgundy being the final antagonist of all major tags (USA, Nipon and Germany), with them being forced to fight the Black Sun machinations worlwide in a wacky mechanic named "Himmler Web of Shadows".
Burgundy endgoal there wasn't nuclear cleansing, but cultural war, trying to spun the four corners of the world into chaos, so the spartanic ideology could present itself as an alternative to the decadent world. TNO2 was in the making as a separate mod, and followed the aftermatch of said global conspiracy, plus Russia and China preparation to retake their homelands. Man, imagine what it could have been..
I do wonder if I could make a mod with that in mind..
I'm about 9 years into my Omsk playthrough right now and I'm very disappointed so far. There's basically nothing to do outside of the gameplay that was already in vanilla TNO and the events and foci are pretty boring. Just sitting their mindlessly clicking through stuff with no decisions to make or challenge. The actual new post unification content had better be really good and interesting (and not just the 2WRW itself which has been in the mod for 4 years already).
What are all the available Omsk endings? I triggered the nuclear war but I was wondering if that's all there was. If that's the case then I'm quite disappointed
>>2095540I made like 38 of them and they were pretty strong
>>2095607>Disappointed so far>1971That's just standard TNO for you. Omsk is an awful tag. They crammed some of the worst minigames ever in there.
>2WRWNew content is wild and let's you take berlin and blow up half the planet. It's pretty cool and a post apocalyptic campaign is coming soon.
>>2095644As far as we know the current endings are:
>Omsk wins, causes the apocalypse. Post apoc followup campaign coming in the following months>Draw, all of eastern Europe is destroyed in a partial nuclear exchanged>Germany wins, Omsk collapses and the Black League is holed up in Siberia surrounded by people that want them deadI'm happy that they at least added more endings. In the leaks from January we were only supposed to get one ending no matter what where Yazov went mad and realized war was bad.
>>2095648>coming soonThat's retarded. Imagine working 4 years on nothing besides 2 new focus trees.
I'll try to conquer China and see what happens. Maybe there's some hidden events that allow me to actually win and kill all germans idk
Is Omsk done or not? Are they still working on it? I will not play something half-completed like TNO Mexico. What do you mean "they're working on a post-apocalypse campaign"?
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>>2095670You'll have to wait to at least November for them to even start the work then, as that's where they are supposed to do stuff on post-apocalypse content for Omsk.
Beyond that the next thing is them making a South Africa rework based on older version of an unreleased submod the current lead dev used to be a lead on. (Also ewatta mentioned, haven't seen that name in a long while)
>>2095656>4 yearsIt was actually half a year. The old dev posted nothing but fake toozers and spent most of the time working on minigames. The devs that took over had to make most playable content from scratch. And then the nudevs on the team started to rework the mod to integrate the new TNO map and make everything more "realistic". Even the old focus tree teasers were fake
I get the frustration, but blaming the current team seems wrong since they removed all the TNO nudevs and created their own tag.
>>2095670>>2095680Omsk is technically done but the full ending was delayed because nudevs on the team started a civil war over the map rework. Overall team lead thinks it'll be out on the autumn, Omsk lead that actually got the thing released in the first place is cautiously optimistic that it'll happen sooner.
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>>2095684>>2095686So he both did nothing and spent time working on minigames, of which none were ever shown? And the entire team did not realize there was nothing for years, and he was only thrown out cuz he turned out to be a pedo.
Not to mention the often-glazed "lead that took over" here, Rei, also responsible for the moe mod for tno and kr, literally cannot code and wanted to add an over-complicated Antarctica gui before losing energy due to this or that and quitting, giving power to Five who did actually find people that could code and finished the thing.
Rei did not even check the trees to see if they were finished or not until May, of this year. While they became a lead in like December.
Not to mention that despite the claims of evil tno orchestrated conspiracy through gopher and nu-devs that wanted to integrate odf the map was never on any git branch. And the changes which were supposedly "sneaked in over months" were also neither on master nor on the Omsk branch before it was merged, nor on any other branch. They only magically appeared after gopher was gone, so who the fuck pushed ODF apparently a week before release?
The amount of lies and misdirection spread by people like Rei is insane, you do not even realize the deepth of it all.
What I will give Five and the main coder rn, lolbotkiller, is that for all their flaws they can actually release something. Which cannot be said of anyone else before them.
>>2095701I always liked Rei. I remember him when he was in main TNO, and all his work got thrown out for Kateryna the lead jannytranny.
>>2095712It was literally just design docs,it was as real as what Kateryna replaced it with.
As I said Rei cannot code, cannot make art, and can at most idea-fag and write sometimes but rarely. If they were actually valuable they'd not have been as easily replaced in both kr and tno
>>2095717I mean, just because Rei cant code doesnt make them a bad dev.
I mean who is to say that Lolbotkiller or Five are good at writing, art, or designing content?
Infact from what I've heard Lolbotkiller is very open in the fact that the one thing he is good at is Coding and organizing people but anything else is a trainwreck apparently.
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>>2095701Bro, Five literally credited the very people you're trying to shit all over for saving the mod and he's said that the ODF rework fucked them over:
>>2093155You're just full of shit. You can't even get the roles right. Five isn't a coder at all, Rei nearly quit over the map integration because he hated it, and everyone that was actually associated with the ODF drama left. You're either a TNO devnigger or a general shit stirrer that the actula team banned.
>>2095717Fuck off, Kateryna.
>>2095550I remember thinking about an SS warlordist Germany even before the Heydrich update, shame that path doesn't go anywhere
>>2095740The Kiwifarms mod is trying to add content to it. Keep your fingers crossed.
>>2095701>MayAre you retarded? I'm in Goog chat and the focus tree audit happened in March. They even posted updates on it. And in the end the focus tree reworks they posted there are in the mod now so seriously, what the fuck kind of shit are you trying convince us of when what they worked on is on the Steam Workshop now and the person you're citing as an authority is confirming it?
I smell grudgewank, seriously.
>>2095751Sounds like its either one of the nudevs or TNO devs themselves
>>2095684>>2095701I don't care about who made it or what the drama behind the development was. I judge the mod based on what I experienced and it was very lackluster. There hasn't been much added and all the main mechanics were reused from the first shukshin so I wonder what was the reason it took so long. Maybe it was the writing that I didn't bother read because most of it was boring and about people I don't care about like random soldiers .
>>2095756>I dont care about the drama behind the development> I wonder what was the reason it took so longCant make this shit up
>>2095754Most likely the TNO devs. The person they're bitching about is a former TNO dev and they only mention the guy after he releases an update for a separate mod. No mentions in the past thread or the one before that. Literally only after he disses them for the purge:
>>2093934 >>2093962Zero mentions in the prior thread or the one before that. Since we know that TNO devs are vindictive bastards, it gives the game away, doesn't it?
>I wonder what the reason is why it took so longAccording to Five, the fact that the former leads tried to make Mexico GUIs and emulate Guangdong, without knowing either how to code or how much time would be required to make everything as fancy as Guangdong.
Frankly, it makes sense. Given when the old devs were booted and the new content was added, it isn't very different from some of the new TFR tags. Guess what? All the TNO style shit was deleted, so of course it'll take about as much time as TFR's France.
>>209577150-50 odds that ayrt is a TNO devnigger butthurt because someone that left their team actually posted an update while TNO is languishing. I mean, the shit that they're claiming is disproved by both the 2WRW lead and what's in the Steam Worksop build. Couldn't think of a brighter TNO devnigger flag than that.
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>>2095732Retard learn to read "Five and the main coder rn, lolbotkiller,"
As for the timeline of events I can actually provide it, mind you tah and gopher, two parts of this grand "clique" quit after rei, and they both stormed off after having a hissy fit themself. They weren't thrown out or forced out.
And what, did Rei suddenly only realize that gopher was part of some nu-dev odf integration clique after 6th months of working with him? By the point that Five was also already on the server and slowly taking over from Rei/just about to?
As you can also see from the info in the top right corner from December the debate over the new map was already decided back then, with Gopher going along with not getting the new map, as the only person that wanted it was a useless former coder that never did anything really other than keep people from pushing shit on master branch cuz "he had stuff in the works". The debate with gopher was over forking, but that was also decided back then.
>>2095787Anon, you fucking retard, the update happened and the lead dev is openly crediting the person you're butthurt over. It's pretty safe to assume that you're a TNO devnigger or someone that has a personal grudge. Because, again: the shit you're having a mental breakdown over was released, and the person you're citing as a reliable source thinks you're full of shit and is saying that the people you're whining about for helping the mod. Why the fuck would he do that if what you're claiming is true?
Make up your mind. Or rather, figure out your cover store before trying to stir drama on /vst/, retard.
Itd be real funny if the people who were part of the TNO team here would join 2WRW and help release content faster.
TNO devs would mald so hard for sure
>>2095796You are all gullible niggers that will eat up any slop that the side that is against "nu-devs" serves you no matter what. And it will come to bite you in the ass in the end.
>>2095803Okay Kateryna, lets get you back to bed
>>2095771If a mod is stuck in 4 year old drama and can't do ANYTHING in that period then it's not a mod worth looking into. It's like if I go to a restaurant and someone serves me garbage and when I say it's garbage people are mad and telling me that because the cook had a personal drama I somehow are not allowed to criticise his cooking. If that's the case then you should take your time off and stop cooking until you're got your problems dealt with and are ready to make something worthwile, not produce uncooked product and dramadumping on the customers
is 2wrw novosibirsk even good?
>>2095849Then it wouldve been "Stupid devs cancelled BoTI wtf" wouldnt it?
Also its 2 years, not 4.
And yes congratulations if a team is literally doing what TNO Devs are doing and just designing shitty minigames without actually producing anything, then itll take forever.
From what I've read Omsk basically wasnt coded at all 8 months ago. And by the time Rei would have taken over roughly the tag would have been "too far in" to just get cancelled.
If you go to the restaurant, theres a Steak on the menu, you order it, and after 2 hours the chef just says "yeah nah sorry I tried multiple times but it sucks lmao, go fuck yourself retard" you wouldnt be any happier would you? I feel its the same with Omsk, the new teamleads just wanted it out of their hands so they can actually work on things that werent messed up by multiple people
>>2095850Its very peak, however in the post 2wrw election shuskin has by far the best content of the subpaths so choose him unless you really like the other paths
What did the devniggers have to say about 2WRW Omsk?
>>2095895 (me)
>>2095850I cropped together the focus tree a year ago, obvious spoilers
What's the writing like for Omsk? Is it as 2edgy as it looks?
>>2095918forgot to spoil that one
>>2095924For some reason a year ago I was autistically obsessed with connecting focus trees with lines even if they didn't have them in game. Tha'ts why some of them look different to the ingame ones
>>2095924>putin le bad, VRPP is literally putin, russian patriotism le bad, muh oligarchy, if you are patriotic you are le corruptwhoever wrote this is definitely a mangotranny obsessed with NAFO bullshit
>>2095891>Then it wouldve been "Stupid devs cancelled BoTI wtf" wouldnt it?Yeah, and? That's the devs problem. Not mine. If you make a failed mod then you take the L and move on
>>2095955Ah no, it's based off of yeltsin, the putin insert is portrayed as flawed for being overly pragmatic but still well intentioned
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>>2094898>>2094988>>2095787Before you two continue shredding each other, and a bit off-topic, but what's a fork in programming? I'm studying C++ and Java, using CodeWars to put my learning into practice, and I see it but still don't know what it is, what is it? If you don't mind telling me please.
>>2096014Basically when one version splits off from another due to differences in features.
>>2096014If you have ever used Git or any other version control system, when you "fork" a repository you essentially create your own copy of it which allows you to develop it independently of updates that appear on the upstream (main) development branch. You can think of a fork as, similar to a road forking out, as a branching off the main development branch to be developed independently/separately.
>>2095915Nah, it isn't. It's actually..lacking, similar to TFR release. All the fluff events are from base TNO, Battle on Ice Omsk barely has anything on the event side, a bunch of empty locs and whatnot.
>>2095901Judging by angry comments aimed at the people that actually managed to release the update I'd say that they're seething uncontrollably. You can check the last thread still. No one raged at these people pre-release, zero mentions for anyone except Gopher over the map drama which is unrelated to Omsk. The fact that all the anger is dropping post-release is quite telling.
>>2095989>Hey sorry the leads lied to you for years but here are our new toozers for something completely different!That would've killed the mod and made it just as dead as TNO. Instead they got people in charge that actually managed to turn the thing around, made it playable and released it. Obviously that's the better outcome for everyone.
What happened to the 2WRW Tukhachevsky guy, anyway?
>>2096160>The fact that all the anger is dropping post-release is quite telling.Maybe it's because people played it and were dissapointed?
>Instead they got people in charge that actually managed to turn the thing around, made it playable and released it. Obviously that's the better outcome for everyone.If your only criteria for a mod quality is "it's playable" and "it's released" then I won't talk to you any longer
>>2096176No, it reeks of personal drama especially when you take into account how absolutely toxic and prone to grudges the TNO devs are. If it was about the actual contents of the release the anon would've focused on that and not suddenly come here to bitch about a former TNO dev the moment they made a joke about a TNO lead. And while you're just being completely disingenuous by misconstruing what I meant with "playable" and "released" that's still more than you can say about nearly everything TNO does these days. How's the Germany rework coming along, by the way?
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>>2096184Or perhaps it just shows how little there is to talk about with this update considering most of what has been said prior to and post release revolves around either internal drama or having this be not about anything they made but some long-running personal crusade against tno devs for getting shitcanned.
Notice the contrast, Five is actually concerned with making something, at least. While Rei's only goal is to stick it to muh nu-devs.
And for their sake it it better not be the outlook the team adopts since being eternally stuck in the past just means you are incapable of moving on and creating anything good.
>>2096188>Nothing to talk about>Mod removes the nuclear game over, let's you conquer Berlin and the devs are adding post-apocalyptic contentBut thanks for admitting that you're only bringing this up because you're angry over someone poked fun at a TNO lead.
You know, the thing that makes up 95% of the contents of these threads.
>>2095680Oh hey, I know ewatta. He's a cool dude.
>>2096192"Removed" the nuclear game over for Omsk only by now making it a slightly more scripted affair after reaching Berlin (which is so finicky that the recommended strat is to "sneak into Berlin")
"Conquer" Berlin which is just walk into it and get or don't get 1 flavour event that is just the World at War Reichstag scene (it doesn't even seem to fire for everyone)
As for "post-apo" content how long will you cope with that when that shit ain't in and won't be for a long while
The update is lackluster, it's not really finished, and it has fuck all replay value.
And no amount of you coping that anyone who has any form of criticism is muh tno jannytranny will change that
It's as the anon above said, if your only quantifier for success is that something is playable/released then you are just retarded and don't differ from modern tno's dick lickers
>>2096188>Kateryna's time zone>Malding over a post referencing their skeleton >Defending the dignity of the TNO devs in a 4chan thread that does nothing but shit on themBaker understated the janny terror level.
>>2096200Clearly they must be doing something right since we're talking about moving tanks into Berlin instead of whatever's supposed to happen in Antarctica. And at least their nukes and wars are canon. TNO can't even get that right.
>>2096184>No, it reeks of personal drama especially when you take into account how absolutely toxic and prone to grudges the TNO devs areBut I never said anything about devs or things outside of the mod? Why are you arguing with strawmans?
>If it was about the actual contents of the release the anon would've focused on thatI was focused on that but you told me to shut up and consoom because it was made by someone who's part of your clique.
>that's still more than you can say about nearly everything TNO does these daysOnce again you're deflecting and pointing at a dead mod instead of addressing legitimate feedback people have about the mod. Why should the players care about the TNO drama when playing the mod? Isn't it supposed be good by it's own merits?
>>2096215I assumed you made the other posts too, mb. We can agree to disagree about liking the mod but I think the comparisons is fair when TNO puts out things like Mexico and Antarctica. For a lot of us this is the first fun we've had with TNO for years. Mods like Red Dusk and The Fire Rises also got brought up in comparison to TNO because them adding actual routes with gameplay stands in stark contrast with TNO's almost exclusive focus on visual novel content these days.
>>2095801Yesss thatd be so fucking based. I wonder just how many ex-devs lurk here?
Imagine the look on Katerynas face when ever more of the people she made quit or fired outright join up forces and beat her ass by actually releasing content.
>>2095955Putin is bad though, everyone agrees.
Is is the update worth playing after the hotfix or what, whats the pre-inter and post 2wrw content like, as good as Shushkin?
>>2096245Please stop baiting her, anon. I know it's fun when she posts here but it derails the thread and gets old fast.
>How many ex devs lurk hereA lot. Back in the day the joke was that most /tno/ posters were active devs (like me) but it shifted more to ex devs gradually after Guangdong and the decline in the mod's popularity. I always felt like both outnumbered regular players but that's just me.
>>2096250I'd wait until they've had a few fixes. Right now the economy system is actively rebelling against the idea of you putting out a huge army. Omsk really isn't my cup of tea and unless it's yours it's worth waiting for them to iron out the issues.
>Post 2WRW It depends on whether or not you think the world being destroyed by nukes is fun or not. You know, the entire point of the tag.
>>2096255Not the previous dude, and yeah baiting her is cringe and boring.
That said, I think the idea of joining either the Kiwifarms or 2WRW fork is actually pretty good.
I have friends on the team and it sounds like the nudev clique fucked the team up during their tenure in charge, possibly even a purge? He wasnt very clear what exactly caused it but he did say that the code team doesnt have a Deputy and roughly 3 actually active devs, which doesnt sound like its enough.
>>2096282Does the KF mod even have applications? Going by the forum it's mostly just one guy doing it.
>>2096283I wasnt sure if it did or not so I just threw it in there.
You get the idea though, Make TNO Great Again, and we can only achieve that if we actually join them ourselves
If only I could code :(
>>2096284It's not that hard. There are plenty of guides out there. It's just a bit tedious but it's wonderful when it all comes together.
Can't wait for Aryan Brotherhood 2wrw content.
>>2096296I want Hyperborea to invade the Middle East in search of the Aryan homelands.
>>2096283>Does the KF mod even have applications?it's an open git repo, anyone can contribute to it
>>2096188I will never not find it funny how 2WRW effectively became what it hated - a shitty mod dominated by some folks at the top that have little to no respect for the folks down below. There is nothing more but "Pray and praise Rei" over here, completely ignoring all the writers, coders and GFX artists who have poured 2 digit numbers of hours into this tag just to be completely sidelined in favor of her. Some who left or were apart of the "supposed coup" or whatever the populist name is used against them got practically wiped away from existence.
It just proves the fact that Rei is nothing more but an ideafag, and it completely explains why she got obliterated out of TNO and whatever other mods she haunted.
>>2096389Shut the fuck up tniggero, Rei (unlike nudev clique) actually released the update without their help. IIRC, Rei got kicked out of TNO due to their intense nepotism, not because Rei is some "ideafag" or whatever you tniggero devs think
>>2096389Try harder Kateryna
Thank you all for the support regarding the recent Omsk release. I am free to answer any questions regarding the future of 2WRW
>>2096389>Replies to a post with a screenshot where they created a thank you channel for the whole team>Claims everyone was ignored and sidelined>The person that ended three years of dev hell and got the tag released did nothingGo away Kateryna, you're drunk.
>>2096400This is completely fake. Everyone knows that 2WRW uses the ask a dev channel for these things. They'd never go to 4chan. What the fuck are you doing?
>>2096400>>2096403Another Kateryna L.
>>2096397They didn't get kicked off the team. They left because the tag they worked on was scrapped because they didn't want to have Germany automatically win like in Sealion 2. It's what the joke is referencing.
>>2096400What the hell even is this? Please stop trying to LARP as one of the 2WRW leads, even if you have a grudge against this mod
We'll integrate DV!, and then you all will suck cock
may gods bless our corrupt deficient neo nazi terrorist mod 2nd west russian war
Heil Hitler! devniggers will suffer total defeat! Long live 2WRW!
Fuck off, Kateryna or whoever the hell you are that has this grudge. You're only embarrassing yourself.
>>2096417Long time no see, Five. Why did you stop posting in the threads? How's HV?
>>2096423May the Swedish Atomwaffen Division cells bless us and our development of our neo nazi mod
>>2096389You should have added that it became a nepotistic hellhole like TNO, otherwise I can't explain why someone like Five ( who didn't participate in mods development at all ) suddenly became a lead. Same goes for whoever their new art lead is, didn't he join the team, like, 4 months ago and already became a lead? They became the very thing they swore to destroy and blame Gopher for nepotism somehow.
>>2096434Because the older dev clique tried to force them to use the ODF map and the team split over it. Gopher and the others that wanted to use it run their own mod now, Minutes to Midnight.
>>2096403I don't really understand why people want to demean 2WRW. We are not some neo-nazis and we certainly would rather communicate through ask-a-dev rather than 4Chan threads.
>>2096457If you actually are Five and not an impersonator, congrats on the release and sorry you have to deal with this drama.
I am officially joining 2WRW, I hope Rei can forgive me for all the stress caused by me becoming Sweden lead. Heil Hitler!
Dude just stop posting you tryhard.
Thank you all for the support regarding the recent Omsk release. I am free to answer any questions regarding the future of 2WRW
>>2096472>>2096403Fake. Fuck off Kateryna.
I am planning to join 2WRW, can anyone tell me where can I apply?
>>2096479You should probably try looking at their discord
Can someone report this idiot for spamming outside of /b/?
>>2096249yeah im sure he is kateryna
because he hates trannies like you
>>2096479You have to fly to Sweden and lick the feet of our beloved princess, Rei
wasnt rei the kiwifarms leaker actually?
i think i remember a leaker on trannyfarms who posted leaks of the mod, and xe stopped posting TNO roughly the same time rei left
>2WRW finally updates
>One (1) assmad TNO dev shits up the entire thread
Hello, my name is Rei and I'm responsible for 90% of the posts here. I love our neo nazi mod
>>2096434It feels like it was Rei and her lapdogs who couped the team.
Honestly, I wish only death to all tno devniggers who can't even release updates on deadlines. 2WRW might also have had that problem in the past, but now - after all the nudevniggers left - neo2WRW can drop updates like Batov, Nordics and other.
Some people here (like Kateryna, and other faggots who want to ragebait) are just ungrateful at the first successful attempt at an redux.
>>2096514Yeah, and it wasn't Gopher trying to force through merging the ODF map, which nobody fucking needed because why would we *need* Antarctica and also 100 billion victory points on the map?
>>2096525Batov isn't happening in the Redux. The team split over the ODF map and the Batov dev left to make his own mod.
They're announcing a new roadmap on the 27th, we'll see what happens then.
My name is Rei and I lie and make up more bullshit than Giorgia Meloni
>>2096528The only lead dev in the leaks is that Matieo33 guy. But Gopher left with them, so he was at least supporting them.
>>2096525What "first successful attempt at an redux" you're talking about if they haven't even made any "redux" content? Is BOTI releasing really a sign for you that their "redux" won't disband like all the other ones before it?
>>2096531What a fucking nigger the lead for Batov was. But hey, at least we are getting Petlin, Chita and Werbell. I hope all TNO nig-nogs suffer when their mod inevitably collapses on it's own, 300 dev, weight. Thank you Rei, Five and other 2WRW devs for preserving Panzer's legacy!
>>2096537>No Redux content>Entire premise of the mod is a rejection of Corn's 2WRW plans
>>2096537>try to sabotage 2wrw>HAHA GUYS IT'S GONNA COLLAPSE LIKE THE REDUXES MADE BY UNIRONIC CHUDS WHO SPEND MORE TIME SHITPOSTING ON DISCORD THAN ACTUALLY DOING ANYTHINGWait... isn't that like all of TNO's devs are? Shitposting in doki all the time while claiming to be "researching"?
>>2096539"Thank you Rei, Five and other 2WRW devs for preserving Panzer's legacy!" man stop larping so much about a hoi4 mod
>>2096539Rei thanking Rei
I think we need poster IDs like on /pol/ on all boards at this point.
>Dev isn't mentioned in years
>Releases an update
>Suddenly endless attempts at shit stirring
If the TNO devs spent as much time deving as they did on petty grueges we'd have full Germany content for all Fuehrers.
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>>2096539Those are also not happening. They never had anything beyond poorly defined design docs.
Also what Panzer legacy? The current team despises things like Burgundy which, the last time I checked, is something people constantly complain about as something Lam wants to take away as part of his nu-dev reworks
>>2096552It's literally just one salty dev. He'll get bored soon.
>>2096539>no tukhachevskyyeah im done with TNO
>>2096555>The current team despises things like Burgundyto be fair, you kinda have to disarm and defang burgundy to do anything in TNO
they become a non factor
>>2096562Tukhachevsky dev left years ago.
Who's hyped up for our future development??? we have no real coders and gfx artists btw so it'll take us as long as Omsk took
Jannies please ban this butthurt samefag.
Both TNO and 2WRW are devniggers
Not gonna lie, shit like this really puts me off on making my own HOI4 mod. Well, that and the endless amounts of DLC that will most likely brick it and make it incompatible.
>>2096592Just don't use DLC in your mod. Mods rarely if ever make DLC ownership mandatory. You shouldn't let one petty troll get you down by the way. Pursue your dreams.
>>2096592It's not really the dlcs that tend to be a problem, it's the stuff in the free updates that come together with them that tend to break most mods.
Tho unless you do a lot of shit which would be giga specific that new updates would break everyone has to go through updating. If you're not retarded and willing to put in the effort it really isn't more work than maybe 2/3 days.
So whats everyones opinion on the various leads of 2WRW?
>>2096293Is kat even a tranny?
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>>2096403Did you really spend all that time making a fake five profile Kateryna?
>>2096726Idk. They're just normal people.
>>2096757Who cares? I just wish that guy would stay in the TNOcord instead of posting here.
>>2096760It's in the Goog/Bearer chat but good to know that you don't have access to it.
>>2096764Looked down in the thread, thought that kateryna was shitting up a qna at first.
>>2096766Someone was impersonating various devs and the 2WRW lead just made a post calling it fake. It's just some lame attempts at trolling. Hopefully they get bored soon and stop.
Why did this thread turn into an irrelevant discussion about 2wrw or nudevs? Regardless, when do you think they'll finally tell the truth about DV integration?
Next update: You will be able to establish the Kingdom of Burgundy and kill all undesirables in the vast lands of Europa!
>>2096802>WhySomeone has a grudge against someone else and wanted to make /vst/ into their personal army. It's a nothingburger. Just ignore their posts and attempt as shitstirring.
>DVAccording to the leaker it's supposed to go public in about a week. But who knows. We're still waiting for the Russia dev diary after all.
>>2096808What's this story about the Russian dev diary?
About DV, you can already see on their discord how the community that was against DV suddenly became in favor (knowing that the most active discord users are friends with the devs), so it's obvious they'll integrate the mod, already putting the lackeys to defend it.
>>2096810There really isn't much of a story. Corn said he'd write one last year but he didn't and it's just become a meme. And I'm not in the TNO Discord (thank God) but it sounds like something they'd do whenever they want to roll out an unpopular announcement.
>>2096813Now that I saw the Russian dev diary promising a second one in 2024, lol. It's incredible how the TNO devs manage not to deliver anything on time (bruh, just write a page of text and about 3 images, it's not difficult).
About DV, I have a theory that for several things they want to implement but know are unpopular, they create a "submod" (which curiously has the same devs as TNO) to do the dirty work. Then they keep denying that they will integrate this submod until it is minimally acceptable for them to do it.
Basically, the phases are: New submod guys -> we have nothing to do with it and will not integrate it -> actually, this submod is good and you should like it -> it will be integrated and you should thank us. They have done it with TFL, ODF, and now DV.
>>2096825It used to be different. I remember people actually being pretty hyped for Brazil because it had a popular demo. But I guess there's a reason why you didn't mention OEP among the others.
>>2096831I think the context is different. OEP was integrated in 2021, when most of today's leaders weren't even there yet. Furthermore, the submod was also popular because Brazil didn't even have content in the base game (if I'm not mistaken), so a submod to add new content is always welcome.
The difference between it and these other submods is that they removed solid content to add unfinished content, with ODF taking 3 years of development to completely remodel the map, which caused, at least for me, a significant drop in the mod's performance, just to add content for Antarctica + cosmetic content.
>>2096841That's also a good point. I guess with TFL you could at least toggle in the old stuff which was a nice gesture. I actually feel bad for the Antarctica people though. They probably get a lot of hate due to the integration. I think they would be happier if they were just doing a niche side project that players who were interested in could give a chance.
>>2096845The problem with TFL is that the old content is extremely buggy and doesn't even work properly anymore. So we lost 10 years of complete Great Britain content for most of the paths to get one that's only 3 years old for colaborators. Clearly, the mod wasn't ready to be integrated, but because they promised a lot of content for the Ruin (full Ukraine content + partial Poland content) and didn't deliver even half of it, they integrated TFL prematurely to avoid a total backlash.
As for ODF, I agree. It screwed up the mod's performance (which was already bad) to add niche content that few people are interested in. It was a huge flop, because I doubt 5% of players have played any country in Antarctica since it's just boring.
In short, TNO hasn't had any truly new and complete content since Guangdong, and that's been two and a half years. Since then, we've received partial and railroaded content from Ukraine, unfinished content from Great Britain, three years of Mexico, Antarctica, and four years of Brazil for two guys. Like, in 30 months, they've made practically no real progress and have removed more content than added new ones. I bet there won't be a new major update this year, at most Chilean Antarctica, lol. Then they wonder how TFR is clearly becoming more popular than them.
>>2096854Good point with TFL. And yes, TFR really has eaten their lunch. But it didn't have to be that way. If only TNO put out some more content like what TFR offers like a new Russian unifier every now and then, people would still give it a pass. Instead we can just speculate about what could've been if they hadn't spent so much time starting over from nothing.
>>2096857I agree. The problem is that the mod devs don't even like Hoi4, and in fact, they just talk their ideas and rework content every six months. So they focus more on adding 30 useless minigames for countries and throwing out updates when they're 75% ready (literally what happened with the Italian content on PW), rather than actually adding content constantly and slowly improving them. I remembered some guys here showing that there was TFR and another mod called Bring Back Boys Home or something like that being developed at the same time, and while the TFR devs were more apolitical and focused on actually coding the mod, the other mod's devs spent all day debating Marxism and cursing anything right-wing. In the end, TFR released content for several countries and became one of the most popular mods, while this other mod entered dev hell and probably won't even be released.
In short, mods that start focusing on debating politics, where the devs get into power-trips and any dissenters are purged, will usually die(who could guess killing innovation and purging people with different views would kill it?).
>>2096872That might be why the ponies keep winning. You can't obsess over real life politics when doing magical horses. Please don't bring up /mlpol/.
>>2096813The guy who made all of the GUIs for the first dev diary (a former 2WRW lead) left the TNO team shortly after the diary was released, and in all this time they still haven't found a new coder lmao
>>2096877Damn, you're right. One of their old lead coders did leave TNO around that time. I guess now we know why the dev diary has taken over a year.
>>2096877lol no wonder, they've already purged like 90% of the devs they ever had for stupid reasons and now the clique that leads the mod doesn't even know how to program, write, or make icons. In other words, most devs these days are useless, and they won't get new ones since everyone knows TNO is one of the worst places to be a dev in the HOI4 mod community. By the way, does this mean they basically haven't progressed at all in Russia since the first dev diary? That would be extremely ridiculous and funny. TNO is dead until the Corn/Lamounier/Mango clique dies out
>>2096885>By the way, does this mean they basically haven't progressed at all in Russia since the first dev diary?Well Amur is still in rework hell after several years, soooo...
>>2096463>Mwah~When you gonna open your ERP chat again? I miss all that kinky domination loss smut we did together
>>2096565Just make them a TNO1 antagonist for major tags..
>>2096806>Himmler spartanist society>KingdomShit doesn't make sense, son
>>2096936Anon, you're talking to a retard that's been attention whoring by pretending to be different people.
good to know the thread is just as shit as the discords
>>2096936It doesn't have to make sense, we're a redux after all! Sieg Heil!
I'm dying of the cringe thats able to be produced by a singular person
>>2097155kill yourself, unironically
The worst part is that he probably thinks he's some epic troll for doing this when everyone can see through it and tell that he's just an assmad TNO dev. Everyone knows that you can write whatever you want into the name field so it's not like he's fooling anyone.
>>2097191>IT DOESN'T HAVE TO MAKE SENSEIf this isn't a troll, he's really gotten the butthurt realismfag angle down to a science, as if nuTNO's lore makes any sense. Hitler the great emancipator? Sure, why not. Stalin doing a coup for no reason? Sure, why not. Random republican activist becoming President and then fascist? Sure, why not.
>>2097194And unlike Hitler the Emancipator and Schlafly being a Nazi for opposing abortions, King Himmler is so stupid it'd loop back into being funny. It's like when they made a mockup tree for Cambodia with all those Pol Pot routes as a joke and it ended up being genuinely more interesting than whatever slop skeletons they actually release.
My name is Rei and I love ideafagging
Can a janny please IP ban this TNO dev? It's getting real tiresome to see how butthurt they are just because someone else actually put out an update.
My name is Five and I don't know how to not look like a retard, also I'm the second coming of Hitler
My name is Rei and I actually hate everyone in my team
>>2097215>>2097217Again, get help, if this isn't ironic it's just pathetic
>>2097219It's just a butthurt TNO dev with a grudge that thinks people are being epically trolled by him. Just ignore him and he'll get bored soon.
We will be banning every single discord member in TNO that is present in the 2WRW server, coming July 20.
If it's actually still Kateryna posting: please stop. You haven't even talked to these people you're upset at even once. If you're this angry, please try and work out your differences with them instead of doing things like this. Or at least ignore them. It's making the rest of TNO look bad. Please just stop.
>>20972272WRW is a neo-nazi mod. We will not be tolerating this.
>>2097236According to posts you made in this thread, you schizo. Either you're a schizo or you've rolled the worst trolling ever and I'll have to ask you to leave /vst/.
Thank you all for the support regarding the recent Omsk release. I am free to answer any questions regarding the future of 2WRW
>>2097244>>2096403Oh my God you retarded schizo you already tried posting this and the lead dev himself called it fake. They don't do AMAs on 4chan. Fucking no one does. No one is falling for this. Just leave, retard. This is the worst trolling attempt ever.
Thank you all for the support regarding the recent Omsk release. I am free to answer any questions regarding the future of 2WRW
Jannies stop sleeping on the job and ban the TNO dev impersonating other team members already.
>All this butthurt and wasted time because someone joked about a TNO lead
This is why we never get updates any more.
Thank you all for the support regarding the recent Omsk release. I am free to answer any questions regarding the future of 2WRW
Is this what it feels like inside Taboritsky's head?
Total tnonigger death will commence, 2WRW is winning and tno devniggers are mad about it. Faggots that tried couping the mod are now drowning in their tears after TNO didn't accept their application
Thank you all for the support regarding the recent Omsk release. I am free to answer any questions regarding the future of 2WRW
>>2097315how many times are you gonna say that same thing over and over again? yes we get it already
At this point it feels like a bot triggering the keywords and repeating same stuff
>>2097316I don't know what would be more sad, if it were the same guy or a bunch of unrelated faggots who think this ironic namefagging and pathetic attempts to slander the dev team of 2WRW is the funniest thing ever
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>Lead dev calls it fake
>Everyone in the thread calls it fake and stupid
>Yet he keeps trying for more than a full day
This has to be the stupidest, most pathetic troll in the history of /vst/.
>>2097322>Literally Takes the bait for some reasonNot so stupid and pathetic if it gets idiots like you to sperg out instead of just ignoring it
Hey everyone,
After careful thought, we’ve made the decision to officially bring 2WRW to a close. Over the past months, it’s become clear that both community engagement and our own drive to continue development have tapered off. Despite our efforts, the overall enjoyment among players wasn’t where we had hoped, and forcing things forward wouldn’t feel fair to anyone involved.
We want to specifically thank Rei for her work as a designer—her contributions really shaped the project’s aesthetic and vision. 2WRW wouldn’t have gotten as far as it did without her input.
The mod files and resources will stay available for anyone interested in exploring or building on them, but we won’t be issuing further updates or support.
Thanks again to everyone who played, gave feedback, and helped shape the project. We’re looking ahead to new things, hopefully with fresh energy and shared enthusiasm.
-Five
>>2097322>be me>be a whiny faggot who plays paraslop games>get baited by lowest quality bait in the history of 4chin>suck discord namefags dick for making worst attempt at an redux up to date
>>2097367>>2097368>>2097370>one minute gap between each postWhat the fuck is your problem with 2WRW, man? Worst attempt at a redux to date? What about all the ones that started and then released nothing because they were made by underaged chuds who spent all their time shitposting in discords rather than making anything?
>>2096490he loves indians and africans though and makes alot of trannies when their dicks get blown off in a meatwave
>>2097372I have no idea what this guy's problem is but it's the most intense case of butthurt I've ever seen over a mod on any board. Even with the most egregious TNO reworks like removing slavery from Germany we call it dumb a few times and occasionally bring it up as a joke but this is just a whole new level of impotent seething.
>>2097383Fuck yeah, another minigame bites the dust.
Why can't these idiots just work on the mod instead of doing petty drama baka my Luftwaffel
Rei please return to working and not yapping on 4chan
I hate nazis, I believe that 2WRW can only be salvaged if we add more mechanics and make the gameplay more narrative-based. 161!
I love drab dogshit from our gfx artists, and I love TNO
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2WRW are NAZIS!
>>2097385You lost fatty boy. Speerism rules supreme.
Anyone else straight up "jorking" "it"? and by "it" I mean my 2WRW
You may not like it, but this is how peak TNO looks.
>>2097546>TNO RAI really need to play that for old time's sake. It really is like a capsule of the good old days.
Congrats on your unification by the way. Who did you go up against?
>>2097553I honestly don't remember, this is an old image I took years ago iirc. But with all those unifications I peacefully unified with WRRF and Batov.
>>2097560Thought you were playing Rides Again, lol. You should try that, anon. It's a recent fork from the Kiwi Farms people that doesn't have the awful economy they bolted on and keeps Atlantropa.
>>2097567See, I actually love the Toolbox Theory economy. What I hate is that the nu-TNO team doesn't integrate it into anything. You know how vanilla focuses sometimes require "50 factories" or "500k deployed manpower" or whatever? They should have done that with the economy, made it actually MATTER instead of a bunch of sliders and warnings that don't actually mean anything.
>>2094834 (OP)Any new Japan stuff?
>>2097198Do you have a pic of that pol pot mockup? Sounds kino
>>2097578Even worse, they made TT, but they keep bolting on new econ systems on top of it like in Mexico. What was even the point? That's why I hate it. It feels unfinished, and they have no interest in finishing it.
>>2097583Asia dev is practically dead. What we know is that Japan's slated to mostly be a slew of wholesome center-right politicians so it's about the kind of unintentional whitewash you'd expect from this team and their OTLism.
>>2097584I don't but it was a memey one. Pretty short and had you unlock various extremist paths that were written to sound stupid but, again, are more interesting than anything in the actual mod.
>>2097590>Asia dev is practically dead. What we know is that Japan's slated to mostly be a slew of wholesome center-right politicians so it's about the kind of unintentional whitewash you'd expect from this team and their OTLism.To be fair I only ever played the reforms guy myself so I guess they're making all the options into him? I'm more interested in any updates to the lore and rest of the sphere. Like say what's happened with the Japanese Airforce? Still two army and navy? Or is there now a carrier focused fleet air arm and an actual air force like most countries and so on.
>>2097590tfw the devniggers radlib so hard that america is going to have more fascist paths than imperial japan
>>2097590>Even worse, they made TT, but they keep bolting on new econ systems on top of it like in Mexico. What was even the point? That's why I hate it. It feels unfinished, and they have no interest in finishing it.Yeah, it's really annoying. I suspect it's because the people who devved TT econ left or got purged, and none of the remaining devs understand it.
>This man understands that adversity and existence are one and the same.
>>2097607The TT dev left after being annoyed by the cliques, yes. It surprised me that they didn't change it or simplify akin to EaW or MD
I don't care, but I coomed to Rei Samus pfp. Thanks for reading
>>2097607afaik Duodex was kicked (might've left on his own) and Fedaking just left. Don't know about any of the others, but I'm sure they also left with time or got sidelined. All the big names I knew from diaries back in the day were definitely gone by 2023 however. So you're right. We have an additional economy system bolted on to Mexico because no one has any idea how the old system works.
>>2097611What even happened to him? Reading about his fights with the other devs was one of the highlights in these threads for me.
>>2097617>So you're right. We have an additional economy system bolted on to Mexico because no one has any idea how the old system works.Absolutely bleak. I presume that's the same reason there's no air designer, MIOs, facilities, or special projects
>>2097617Yugo is that crestfallen general with morals that is stuck in a corrupt dictactorship. He dislike the current state of affairs, but thas no power to change it, and he isn't executed because he's too old and partially loved by the people, so he's nothing more than a glorified paperweight
>>2097618I can confirm the air designer. The person that was meant to do that burnt out and left in 2022 around the time I did.
>>2097619Wasn't he supposed to make Manchuria? Is that dead too?
>>2097620>The person that was meant to do that burnt out and left in 2022 around the time I did.God damn it. How have things gone so wrong? I mean, EAW has managed to include AND EXTEND every new feature added.
>>2097621EAW is a good community, TNO is a bad community. You do the math from there.
>>2097620Do you happen to know if there is a way to contact any of the people that were old TNO Coders like Duodex and Fedaking?
Might be worth trying to get them to join the 2WRW team?
>>2097626I don't any more and even if I did I don't think any of them would want to touch TNO again and I wouldn't either if I were in their shoes.
https://nosaczkrumtum.github.io/tnodiplogen/
A Pole made TNO diplo screen generator
Hey everyone,
After careful thought, we’ve made the decision to officially bring 2WRW to a close. Over the past months, it’s become clear that both community engagement and our own drive to continue development have tapered off. Despite our efforts, the overall enjoyment among players wasn’t where we had hoped, and forcing things forward wouldn’t feel fair to anyone involved.
We want to specifically thank Rei for her work as a designer—her contributions really shaped the project’s aesthetic and vision. 2WRW wouldn’t have gotten as far as it did without her input.
The mod files and resources will stay available for anyone interested in exploring or building on them, but we won’t be issuing further updates or support.
Thanks again to everyone who played, gave feedback, and helped shape the project. We’re looking ahead to new things, hopefully with fresh energy and shared enthusiasm.
-Five
>>2097653This is pretty well-made. Just a shame that it uses nu-TNO's ideologies. Otherwise it would've been perfect.
The main problem with TNO Mexico is that there isn't anything about Chespirito.
>>2097653>they removed all the fun ideologies like esoteric despotism and slavo-aryanismGrim.
>>2097590Two socialist paths? Two liberal paths? Damn, this Japan is less conservative than the real one
>>2097736They did that in the ODF update when they consolidated them all into a new random nazi ideology. Shortly before that they moved Slavo Aryanism to NS just so that it too could be consolidated that way despite not even being related to NS.
>>2097751I don't know if it's better or worse than their old plans that leaked. I just know that I don't like either. All the radical stuff from the original version is gone and this is supposed to be an Axis victory timeline. Why are most Japanese routes just center-right democratic ones? I bet even Cold War Iron Curtain gets more creative and varied.
>>2097656Hello, butthurt man, can you please answer
>>2097372
>>2097804Just ignore her mate, Kateryna thinks she is trolling us gloriously or some shit.
Just what happens when a low IQ Individual becomes a developer for TNO
>>2097804It's just a TNO dev that's salty. They were also salty and tried to derail threads when TFR had their early updates. No other team behaves this way. Just hide all namefag posts and continue talking about the mod as if they didn't exist.
>>2097809>be me>be a whiny faggot>suck namefag cocks>play paraslop games>love watching my wife get railed by thaddeus bbc
>>2097833>posted from Tel Aviv
Anyone got a link to 2WRW? Curious about applying
Why are you still doing this? It was funny for a couple posts but now it's just stale
>>2096726Five was the lead of HV I think? Doesnt bode well since that mod *still* isnt released, though I guess he did release BoTI
Rei seems like a good dude, from what I can tell atleast. If its true what was said that he made Omsk actually playable then hell yeah.
Anyone besides that? No clue.
I think Lolbotkiller joined the dev team like start of this year, Vey in like April and Generic in like February.
I dont really know much about any of them either so like...
>>2097891Five was the HV lead but he left them when he went over to 2WRW full time. I don't know how much I'd credit him with the BoTI release since he was only around for the tail end of development I guess that he kept the team mostly together during the split and should get props for that. As far the others I'd cut them some slack for being new. Gopher and most of the older devs are doing Minutes to Midnight since June at least according to a leaker in the last thread. More power to them if they feel that strongly about Antarctica, I guess?
Five was a faggot who abandoned his pretty cool mod to work on a shitty attempt at a redux
>>2097899Oh, no I'm not saying its bad that they are new, I'm just more wondering why they are leads?
Lolbotkiller I can get if its true what someone else said, that theres fuckall coders left. But the Writing and GFX department seem to be decently full of people that worked on the mod for a long time, I dont get why they chose people that joined like 3 months ago for a lead position
>>2097931I also havent really heard much about any of them before 2WRW, like, who are they? Does anyone know anything about them like what they did on 2WRW and before and outside of that?
>>2097899>Five was the HV lead but he left them when he went over to 2WRW full time.wow what a great resume, experience leading a project that never released anything and just spun wheels for years. seems like a great guy you would want in charge
>>2097931Well we know that most of the ones that had been around for longer left because they wanted to integrate the ODF map. This includes the old code and gfx leads who likely got several of their friends to walk out too. I think everything can be explained by that being chaotic. The team had a similar collapse a few years back over disagreements between the Russia and China devs and you had a similar shift in leadership by then too but it seems like it was a lot cleaner this time.
So for the people who played BOTI how would you rate the quality of the writing for the flavor events during the great trial?
>>2097976>Germany bad>notice me Yazov-chan
>>2097874It's in their discord server
https://discord.gg/54nZTmbj
>>2097947Heidenvolk hasn't even existed for years
It also got fucked over by TNO
>>2097995Pretty much. They started doing South Africa content when it seemed inevitable that their other content would never get integrated and then the DV integration rumors started.
>>2097995It did tho, but not as SAF mod.
It started out as Dutch wank in Suriname in December of 2022 https://www.reddit.com/r/TNOmod/comments/zcc9ix/vrolijk_sinterklaas_for_your_gift_revolution_at/
Then after years of working on that, then deciding to rework it all they shifted their focus to South Africa https://www.reddit.com/r/TNOmod/comments/1dxha76/heldenvolk_is_your_nation_in_falling_into_chaos/ Mind you, he said "It has been a month and a week since a small team and I started work on South Africa. Originally determined to finish it within the month, we are happy to announce that our work on the tag is at 95% completion" back in July of 2024 and HV is still not out in any shape.
Then in December of 2024 https://www.reddit.com/r/TNOmod/comments/1hcvos5/heldenvolk_end_of_year_update/ He announced that Suriname will be only getting skeleton content and they decided to fully rework SAF instead and release it in 2025.
Which brings us to today, where he is no longer lead on HV, the team still hasn't finished it and doesn't seem to be anywhere close, and they gave him older files of previous versions of HV to make something with SAF in 2WRW [if you check his profile btw you'll notice a new sub he made, TNO: Requiem, that's gonna be the Redux name of 2WRW]
>>2098029>then deciding to rework it allYou don't seem to understand.
They were likely forced to start working on South Africa because nobody gives a shit about Africa, whereas Dutch Suriname is in the unenvious position of being:
>1: the Dutch government-in-exile, which means the Reich lead, Lamounier, has a say>2: in America's backyard, meaning the America lead, Mango, gets a say>3: in South America, meaning that the LatAm team get a say as well, and considering they released So Far From Go(o)d and a Brazil demo...
>>2098123nayrt but with the way TNO's politics work you're probably right. Although I will say that LatAm team likely wouldn't be a problem. They're a lot less control freaky than the other devs.
>Nobody gives a shit about AfricaHope to God DV integration isn't real but maybe I'm just coping.
>>2098123>>2098130>oh haha we suddenly have to rework the lore>immediately pivots to South AfricaThey absolutely were strongarmed by Lam and co. Pic rel.
HV's big mistake is wanting to be integrated when retards like Lam want to put their full unwashed fingers on the pie of anything that releases (hence nothing releasing). HV was supposedly near the finish line a year ago and then Lam rejected their integration because the lore didn't fit so HV scrapped a lot of shit and eventually pivoted to South Africa (that was supposed to release months ago)
>>2098133Really doesn't look like a coincidence, no.
>>2098134Agree, they should never have bothered going for integration or even adapting to TNO's rapidly reworked world. It completely fucked them over.
So it's all Lam's [despite him not being mentioned anywhere, and what, his reach now extending to all of the mod and not just Germany? Sounds like a cope to me] fault that they are retarded and despite being an independent submod they decided to rework shit?
Not to mention they haven't really given any indication anywhere they wanted to get integrated, at least under Five and now it's obviously not happening under other people since DV is getting in.
If those are the kind of decisions he made with HV that doesn't exactly bode well for whatever Redux he is running rn
>>2098152It's a fair assumption since any mod that wants to have a chance at integration, which they definitely did at some point, most abide by TNO's lore. It's a perfectly reasonable request from TNO's side and it's also reasonable for HV to so it as likely back in 2022. Guangdong's recent, TNO is riding high, and success stories like OEP is still fresh in everyone's memory. Even if we assume for the sake of argument, they still need to adhere to TNO's lore, and their original plans with the Dutch corporations would've stuck out like a sore thumb as TNO evolved over the years. Most of us were a lot more optimistic about TNO back in 2022 as well.
Five is a retard who sucks as fuck when it comes to modding. Please return back to eating grass like a kid with a severe case of down syndrome
>>2097790What's New Order Rationalism?
>>2098164Rework everything and remove the fun
>>2098164I think it's just Reform Bureaucracy but renamed. That's also what Techo-fascism is in the newer one.
>>2098177>Taking the TNO tranny-janny's blatant bait
Apparently Omsk got released when it did because the devs were bunt out as fuck with it, and people were leaving. So it got kicked out the door with the rest to be added later.
>>2098183No it's because the team split over Antarctica. The lead took several other devs with him and set up a competing mod that uses the Antarctica map.
>>2097790The current realismfags in TNO seen to be enamored with the idea that they need to "correct the record" about most fascism regimes not being as "ideologically charged" as pop history thinks they were so half of the paths need to be about the national conservatives or conservative socialists who collaborated otl taking over and making things three times more boring.
Japan is a peak example, 80% of the paths needs to be post-war conservatives or post-war liberals because they want to drill into the hypothetical AltHistHub fan that they held power before the US occupation "re-empowered" them and the only path that actually follows the otl fascist japanese ideologues can be hijacked by socialists because they want to remind us the Left also collaborated with Japanese Imperialism
They seen to be care more about baseding over modern revisionist history of fascism studies than actually giving us fun paths
Kr is kinda shit about otlism but nu!TNO is on another level, it's like if every CSA path ended with the Dems and GOP taking over again because "Eichmerikkkans would never support a commie government for very long"
>>2098183Heard that it was because they had very little playtesters to comb through and report all the faggot events/broken systems so they just released it early so everyone would be reporting them
>>2098191Just to cap this off, nu!TNO devs read one of those articles explaining that most Mussolini/Hitler supporters did not really believe in doctrinaire fascism and decided to make that one of their thesis statements
You know, if TNO devs spent as much time making content as they did dramaposting/dokiposting/both at the same time, Victor & Judge would be out by now.
>>2098152Lam has a veto over everything that affects Germany and its sphere, dumbass. Guess where the Dutch come from.
>>2098208Where's any evidence he ever had any impact on South Africa or Suriname shit you nigger? Or are you just assuming literally nothing can be HV's fault just cuz muh nu-devs somehow control everything in the world like some sort of Elders of Zion?
>>2098204It's equally because leadership is pulling in 5 different directions, so every time some writing and programming gets done it gets thrown out or made obsolete because someone else decided to change direction for the 3rd time.
>>2098214nayrt but actually yes. They do control everything. They own the mod and decide all lore in it. Lam is the Germany lead and he gets to decide everything that affects Germany and uses this power to rain down non-canonical nukes over countries that dare to interrupt his intended narrative for the tag. It's entirely reasonable to assume that he'd want to change content that would affect a German colony on its borders which the existence of a Free Dutch tag would.
>>2098217Like how Italy and Germany recently got changed to be frenemies instead of rivals?
>>2098218That's not how most people itt and elsewhere present it tho, instead of just taking about tno itself they go on about how the dreaded "nu-devs" have agents across the entire hoi4 community that actively take over mods to remove all the "fun", for example the whole tfr drama with czar people still go on to this day about how he was somehow tno's agent.
But all of that is besides my point. I am more genuinely wondering what's the evidence for HV ever wanting to be integrated and them actually reworking stuff just cuz Lam told them to. Cuz so far it's only guess-work based on nothing but "that's something they'd do/they obviously would want to get integrated/tno was high on life in 2022"
>>2098222I don't know what the fuck you're talking about or why you'd start to babble about agents and conspiracies. TNO devs own their own mod so they decide its lore. This isn't something anyone can dispute. Whether a mod wants to be integrated into it, it has to adapt to their lore in order to work within its setting. This makes perfect sense unless you want to come off as an out of touch meme mod, which "Dutch mega corporations in South America" would've come off as by 2024 whether they wanted to be integrated or not.
Omsk is of low quality and scarily unfinished, and the team looks very inexperienced and unknowledgeable. It'll be another "redux" that'll die soon anyways
>>2098229Why are you such a stupid fucking faggot? I was agreeing with the fact that yes of course tno devs can change their mod however they want cuz they control it. But you constantly repeat the same fucking script about adapting to lore when that wasn't my fucking question, it was if there is any actual evidence or indication that HV either wanted to get integrated or had direct involvement from tno's team pressuring them to change shit.
Cuz otherwise if the only reason they changed stuff, still under Five, is cuz it was literally the current year then that doesn't bode well for them being a redux now does it? If they would have rather stomached agreeing with "nu-tno"'s direction over independence of their own mod only they worked on.
>>2098238If I made a mod for KR that hinged on Black Monday for its politics, do you understand that KR deleting Black Monday would force me to change my tag to function within the setting?
What the fuck is happening ITT? Did 2WRW releasing an update spook the TNO devs, so they're sending their jannies here to shit on it and do whatever
>>2098222 is doing?
>>2098242Answer my actual question you nigger and stop hiding behind non sequiturs.
What part ot the mod did tno rework that would have forced HV to redo everything they had for Suriname or SAF? If you mean no Germ civil war then that shit is never coming out nor does current content account for future plans with it. If you mean DV integration then they would have started changing their SAF shit before rumours of that would have ever started, and if we assume it was already after then why would they even bother if they knew DV would have their own SAF shit?
>>2098245You people are so tiresome. Literally no one ever can have an opinion that doesn't align against your based "freedom fighters" against nu-devs that isn't a tno janny-tranny or kateryna. Stop being in a copium huffing cult and actually take a look at what the people you how suddenly started to hero worship did before they got where they are rn.
>>2098245Current working theory is that there's one butthurt janny that's assmad about it and shitting up the entire thread. So now virtually all discussion is shut down because one (?) person has been seething and trying to derail the thread for four days running. It's stupid even from their point of view because if there is any actual critique (like how the ending bugs out for some people) it'll just get buried under shitposts.
>>2098247It's not a non sequitur, so I'll dumb it down for you by spelling it out for you. I'm trying to make you understand that the removal of GCW, the rework of how all of Germany's integrated RKs are handled, the complete change to have Germany handles challenges, the mandatory wins for Germany in several conflicts etc etc will force them to rework their mod whether they want to be integrated or not because if they don't, their mod will come off as being from the Panzer-era.
>>2098252And did any other submod that was integrated actually account for German rework plans? Can you answer this simple question.
Or are you going to defend terrible decisions made by HV, with Five in charge, despite it showing a total lack of spine. You don't just kneel before Lam's whims for 3 years to then go on to be literally Jesus of TNO, Inheritor of Panzer, without parts of that mindest sticking.
>>2098257Yes, TFL absolutely accounted for Germany's rework plans and its contents walk in lock-step with the rest of Reich's content.
Can't wait for requim to be announced, tno will probably send a horde of jannys over here instead of "working" on their mod
I wish TFR would update so that they'd go back to seething at them instead. These threads were much calmer back in those days.
>>2098245>2WRW releases actual update>TNO jannies shit up the threadyeah
>>2098247I'm not hero worshipping anyone. It's just really weird the way you're posting.
>>2098262What "rest of Reich's content" the pipe-dream rework? Or do you mean to tell me that somehow Germany still having a civil war currently in-game, and all RKs shitting themself when that happens, is actually accounting for the war not happening? Same goes for Luftwaffe bombing in Russia and so on.
As for the Brit submod even after integration it still directly mentions the German Civil War happening, even when it really wouldn't need to if it'd be fully woke to Lam's plans no? To demonstrate:
ENG_weathering_the_storm_desc:0 "Well, lads, we did it. The resistance is no more. Whilst the identity of the elusive "Boss" remains a mystery, we have captured and hung the Terrible Two! Subsequently, the resistance and the unrest it brought with it has sputtered out - the last, dying embers of a flame that should have been extinguished long ago. Now that we have finally sorted out our own affairs, we can finally begin to look at more important things. Across the sea, our benefactors in Germany are embroiled in a Civil War
As for less direct mentions of it:
ENG_state_siege_measures_desc:0 "While Germany burns and German power shrinks across Europe
ENG_produce_as_many_guns_desc:0 "With the fall of Germany
ENG_fortress_britannia_desc:0 "It is undeniable that Britain is under siege - one need only look to the anarchy descending upon Germany
All of this will need to go if Lam's Germany is out, same with everything else around the mod that is still in. So one would imagine that SAF could have been only somewhat tweaked.
Unless we go back to the excuse that Five not redoing HV would make it "panzer era meme mode", but if that's the case then he bowed to the "realism clique" and is no different than anyone fully on board with tno's designs.
Nah the nigga speaking fax my nigga buncha niggas with no knowledge of making mods making a shitty tag that feels like nigga shit to play and ngas be defending it like they cock gon get sliced if they don't
Y'all niggas gotta get some bitches on yo cocks and it'll low-key help my.ngas cmon
My name is Rei and I hate black people. Heil Hitler!
There's some truly weird bait ITT
>>2098297Yes, and those can easily be removed or slightly reworded whenever it becomes relevant to do so but thanks for the attempt to cherry pick midst the rest of your well poisoning.
>The TNO devnigger went back to namefagging low-quality bait after his actual attempts at posting got mogged
Four straight days of relentless seething and counting. This man truly has no life.
>>2098316It's impossible to describe how much of a retarded and dense nigger you are, but whatever. Go on and continue sucking off some retarded delusional dutch faggot with delusions of grandeur and becoming the new panzer of reborn tno just because Lam raped your dog or fucked your mother or whatever and you continue to huff utter copium for some imagined vision of a redux that will never come.
Tno is truly dead, you are merely jerking off a rotten corpse and thinking your niggered vision of a besieged fortress will somehow revive it.
>>2098326At least you're willing to admit that TNO is dead.
>>2098326I am 99% sure that the guy you are clearly mad at doesnt even know you exist. And even if he deos exist, I doubt he cares that you are raging on an obscure 4chan thread about him.
I despise tno dev niggers
>>2098331He's a dev for a dead mod that's been seething furiously on a low traffic board for the better part of a week. Of course no one cares about him.
>>2098320>having no life>on 4chanStandard.
>>2098326This. TFR is the ruling one now, TNO can't be speaking and neither can be 2WRW. Your shitty redux will satisfy little people, and will inevitably die soon. Anyone putting their efforts into 2wrw is wasting it. I guarantee you. Give it some time, this mod just like TNO will be taking years to release a shitty half-arsed update.
My name is Rei and I'm retarded and have a rotten sleep schedule
tno dev niggers really still be seething in this thread
>>2098359I didn't think they'd be seething this persistently while pretending to be random anons, but there we go.
>>2098222>czar people still go on to this day about how he was somehow tno's agent.Anon, that's what we call a joke. Obviously Czar wasn't a TNO sleeper agent activated to destroy TFR.
>>2097995>Heidenvolk hasn't even existed for years>announced april 27th 2023>"Note: this submod's content has been revealed before, but it is now part of a standalone upcoming submod for TNO"that submod was revolution at sunset and was announced may 16th 2022 (and this shitmod never released anything either lmao)
so yeah i am right and this is pathetic
I swear this whole spectacle about seething, poor attempts at trolling, shitting up the thread etc. is beyond pathetic. Whoever is doing this must be retarded enought to not realise how funny it is taking a fucking mod (something 99% of people make to get new/better entertainment out of a game they like, an alien concept to some morons) this seriously to go out of one's way to come here and spend days being a clown non stop, failing to notice that this behaviour backfires into smearing a bad image of xirs beloved possession. Keep up being delusional about it and shitting up the thread, you will surely win your imaginary battle to prove your point if you'll keep going long enough, lmao.
>>2098427I don't get all the hatred of Czar
better him than the chink devs
>>2098465>I don't get the hatred for the guy that tried to ban the entire TFR team in an attempt to create drama for drama's sakeCzar's hands wrote this post.
>>2098468I don't like either but I would prefer Czar's fuckery to:
>CHINA NUMBA 1!!!!!! HERES 50 CHINA PATHS!!!! CASCADIA? BLA? LOS? RR? WHY WOULD WE TOOZE THOSE? WE NEED MORE CHINA!!
>I'd prefer a collapsed mod by a person that banned the entire team over someone putting out frequent updates for a country I dislike
No one that actually plays the mod believes this but OK.
>I'd prefer a collapsed mod by a person that banned the entire team over someone putting out frequent updates for a country I dislike
You forgot to attach the gigachad.
>>2098483>anyone who doesn't blindly agree with me is czaryeah okay xi
>>2098464Everyone knows it's a TNO dev doing it too so it's just another nail in the coffin for their relations with other teams. Over at EAW we recently had to deal with Mango harassing one of our staff so it's nothing new or surprising from the most immature modding team out there.
>>2098492>be me>love huge bbcs>post on 4chan>Everyone knows it's a TNO dev doing it too so it's just another nail in the coffin for their relations with other teams. Over at EAW we recently had to deal with Mango harassing one of our staff so it's nothing new or surprising from the most immature modding team out there.>suddenly jamal enters my room>brutally destroys me>now have a huge disdain for bbcs
>>2097833Ah, yes, because this reply was so good you had to post it two days in a row.
so is the grand council of fascism teaser still happening. Will i get my fiume leftist og fascism? Will there be national syndicalism
>>2098520Italian Fascism was actual Communism, and here's ten reasons why in the newest teaser for Penelopes Web
>>2098492>mangotell me more
God I hope this will still be implemented. I need my based left fascist path
>>2098522Mango wanted us to remove a team member, probably over old TNO drama no one cares about any more.
Our team told his emissary to go away.
Everyone lived happily ever after.
Just petty politics that went nowhere.
>>2098520Isn't Italy dev dead? Did it get brought back to life? Are we finally getting a Pikeman renaissance?
>>2098528>italy dev deadwait, so that means there wont be d annunzio schizoness? NOOOO
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ln7SYVCRdXo&list=RDLn7SYVCRdXo&start_radio=1
>Mango wanted us to remove a team member, What a weird thing to do. Spiteful bitch behaviour, desu.
>>2098530>ItalyI don't know, I just feel like it's in some kind of dev purgatory because my entire adult life has passed in the shadow of the first rework teaser and I've joined and left the team since then.
Friend of mine in the 2wrw dev server saw this document get brought up, are we so back?
>>2098541>Atlantropa possibly returningI sleep.
>Fielding an army/navy without getting an instant fiscal crisisREAL GOOD SHIT
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>>2098541Will those niggers ever actually stay consistent on things they believe in/want to do, or will it just be an eternal song and dance of hype moments and aura farming and them deciding that "people love atlantropa we need to add atlantropa back, fooled you all there". Unless it's Gibraltar without Atlantropa which is just, what's the point?
Also hotfix delayed, what a bunch of shitter-ass bozos
>>2098624Judging by this it's the Gibraltar Dam they're talking about.
>What's the pointIt was pretty much the only thing the Iberians had to do. Adding it back and having Atlantropa developments be an implied long term thing is fine. This really isn't something to get worked up over.
Sucks about the delay but I think we learned that Five's announcements are pretty chaotic. His colleagues should just get him to stop even if it's just a few days. KR never has this issue.
>>2098630There's a reason why most mods never do specific date announcements like KX or pretty sure EaW? Or are very consistent with it like KR where they announce it at most few days.
Idk why such a strong emphasis on dates for this or that, especially since Five himself mentioned that they are never again doing roadmaps, which imho are similar to setting update dates.
>>2098624I looked at the documents (seems they thought they got rid of all leakers and left it open), and its not Atlantropa itself, its just the mechanic itself basically.
The idea seems pretty cool but its severly underbaked and basically just a v0 design document as an initial idea
>>2098644I don't understand why either. It's something you want to avoid especially when TNO in particular has a bad track record with this. Just announce things one day before it's meant to drop. Looking back I think we can excuse what went down when Gopher left over Antarctica but this is just amateur mistakes.
>>2098645Sounds like they're just tossing around some ideas for Iberia then.
>>2098651https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Rpc9-xhD-sv85FwG6u2q9GeMCV-SGDf7J8eRna3YNLY/edit?usp=sharing
Yeah, seems like they are trying to unify the timeline a bit and set proper dates, that or this guy is just in over his head on the importance on Atlantropa lmao
>>2098657Reads more like the former especially if he said that he's not a fan of Atlantropa.
>>2098659Yeah this still tracks with what they originally said, not really going back on what they said, if anything they are going further into it and making it clear that Atlantropa is a bad thing lmao
>>2098661>trap pathsThought we weren't doing this shit anymore?
>>2098661I'm OK with this. At least they're doing something with the old lore instead of just removing everything. I don't really care about Iberia but it's hard to get upset about this especially when TNO itself hasn't done anything with Iberia in... Years.
>>2098665If you read it it's just a guaranteed way to get to the Iberian Wars without needing to bother with any of the usual mechanics, not a fail state. Especially if they can do what the Kiwifarms mod did and re-add the cut IW content that might be fine if that's what you're aiming for.
>>2098665Aslong as you get warned I'd say its fine.
Maybe not like its in the document of just straight up saying "Oh you will die" but hinting at it sounds alright. If all paths lead to success thats just as bad if not worse imo
>>2098672Don't really get the reasoning. If you'd want to have the Dam option give you the civil war it should be something that is really hard to get right but you could still win somewhat. And if you'd want cw you just need to fail it.
Since otherwise it's just an option that:
A. You have no reason to give a shit about interacting with since you know none of your choices really matter
B. You will just leave it be cuz it's gonna be empty fluff waiting for the cw to trigger
I love when my black TNO Redux masters feed me slop so I can play my wholesome democratic russia against evil nazis. BNWO now! Thank you Five!
>>2098677Possibly intended as a way to fill the void I guess, since there is already another Option that just does actually nothing at all.
So its probably just there for people who would want to larp "hehe I'm trying to build the dam I'm so Atlantropamaxxing" or for people that want the Civil War guaranteed but dont just want to sit around doing focus simulator
>>2098677nayrt but you make a good point, I'd tweak that a bit.
Overall not a bad idea just needs more work.
>>2098657They closed it, seems like they are atleast somewhat semi regularily looking at this thread to catch leaks or the like
>>2098686A lot of their fans read these threads so one of them likely just fired away a DM the moment they saw the post.
Wouldn't be surprised if 2WRW devs lurk this thread.
>>2098698Why would w- i mean, Why would they?
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>>2098479>Gotta love the little controlled experiments>The big scary enemy cowering in fear>This is what everyone was so afraid of?God what a faggot, I wonder if pissing off 764 adjacent people with his satanist larp was part of the experiment? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uz8vkPVqiL8&ab_channel=Dogus47
>>2098713>Hold Satanic rituals cursing your former co-devs>Get doxed, visited and murdered by Satanic Neo NazisI feel like this is the part about the Czar drama that's the most insane but also everyone just forgets.
>>2098722They posted a bunch of these before the server went down. A lot of it was just contradictory far-right symbols, like mixing and matching German, Russian and Hungarian emblems on something. Something a 14-year old edgelord would do. Most are lost to time I think.
>>2098719Is Czar actually dead?
>>2098733Not that I know but his LARPing sure got him into trouble.
Why is 2WRW so fucking easy? I expected my last battle as Omsk to be some epic, hard war but instead I got a bunch of moralist events and a shitty war
>>2098736That's just HOI4 in general, it's easy to snowball.
>>2098541-50% army costs is literally a retarded idea that will kill game balance, not to mention AI division spam breaking the game
>>2098736>Why is an easy game against a notoriously bad AI easy even for me, a retard?
>>2098738AI doesn't care about the limits anyway but I sure care about getting a fiscal crisis whenever I field more than five divisions.
>>2098736Cause 2WRW is a shitty fucking mod
>>2098742I wonder who's behind this post
>>2098739Are you an infant? Do you drown in sorrow each night after someone criticizes your precious redux? You should probably kill yourself before you can multiply and before more men could inherit your additional chromosomes
>>2098749My post was about Paradox but OK retard.
>>2098742>>2098749What did the 2WRW team do? Piss in your cereal? Are you literally just a malding TNO janny/dev/sycophant who's upset a redux actually released something for once? What's your angle?
>>2098751Are you a faggot or do you just act like one?
>>2098755Book a proctologist appointment for your butthurt, and fuck off.
>>2098756Seems like you know a lot about assholes, faggot
Well to be fair, he seems to be talking to one right now.
>>2098755I can use inspect element too.
>>2098755I mean clearly thats actually MY posts
>>2098766You seem a bit obsessed with the idea of TNO devs interacting with a bunch of nitwit niggers.
>>2098769Because they literally have done this before. Some devs used /vst/'s TNO threads as an unofficial extension of Doki where they can use slurs anonymously.
>>2098769>shit talks 2WRW out of nowhere>told to fuck off>durr ur obssessed
>>2098769TNO devs literally task their jannies with monitoring these thread for leaks and have done so for years and why wouldn't they when OP has every proposal they've ever written linked?
>>2098771Maybe they have done that back in 2021 but do you seriously think a modern day, socialist TNO developer would call 4channer a nigger?
>>2098773>critique 2wrw omsk for being piss-poor easy>get called a retard because i dont like when you can divspam without any reprecussions>hurr durr youre a tno janny
>>2098775The lady doth protest too much.
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>>2098775>rages about a mod for an easy game being easy>is reminded this>continues to shitpost anyway
>>2098778>the mod wasn't as hard as I imagine it to be>THIS MAKES ME VERY ANGRY 2WRW WORST MOD EVER REEEEEEEE
>>2098777>>2098778>>2098779The three black musketeers having a meltdown over someone not overtly glazing a hoi4 mod
>>2098779>>2098739>>2098749Nice try but the first reply you got was about the HOI4 AI being poor and you instantly started to make it about white knighting this mod you're seething about.
I masturbate to the thought of a redux so much my dick hurts as if I put an iron on it
Anyone else just straight up feeling aroused to the thoughts of Rei cucking TNO devs?
Hey everyone,
After careful thought, we’ve made the decision to officially bring 2WRW to a close. Over the past months, it’s become clear that both community engagement and our own drive to continue development have tapered off. Despite our efforts, the overall enjoyment among players wasn’t where we had hoped, and forcing things forward wouldn’t feel fair to anyone involved.
We want to specifically thank Rei for her work as a designer—her contributions really shaped the project’s aesthetic and vision. 2WRW wouldn’t have gotten as far as it did without her input.
The mod files and resources will stay available for anyone interested in exploring or building on them, but we won’t be issuing further updates or support.
Thanks again to everyone who played, gave feedback, and helped shape the project. We’re looking ahead to new things, hopefully with fresh energy and shared enthusiasm.
-Five
My penis is erect when i think about TNO finally getting it's own redux
My 12 inch monster stands like an army man at salute when I think about the idea of TNO getting a Redux
My dick status: up
TNO status: cucked
Redux status: released
>>2098806You've sent this message three days in a row. What's wrong with you?
The funniest thing to me is that the guy making all these seetheposts has never even talked to the people he's angry at and keeps mentioning and likely never will, lol.
Portrait Pickers in the Hotfix.
>>2098847Also Luns is getting like 15 images wtf
Based Haru Urara though, but like, this isnt Moe Order???
>>2098849Luns has been a meme character for HV for ages. I wouldn't try to make sense of it. iirc it's just some artist that started to make Luns portraits for fun. TNO has a similar thing with one of its Brazlian leaders.
Hey everyone,
After careful thought, we’ve made the decision to officially bring 2WRW to a close. Over the past months, it’s become clear that both community engagement and our own drive to continue development have tapered off. Despite our efforts, the overall enjoyment among players wasn’t where we had hoped, and forcing things forward wouldn’t feel fair to anyone involved.
We want to specifically thank Rei for her work as a designer—her contributions really shaped the project’s aesthetic and vision. 2WRW wouldn’t have gotten as far as it did without her input.
The mod files and resources will stay available for anyone interested in exploring or building on them, but we won’t be issuing further updates or support.
Thanks again to everyone who played, gave feedback, and helped shape the project. We’re looking ahead to new things, hopefully with fresh energy and shared enthusiasm.
-Five
>>2098852Fair points.
Horse Girl still may be a bit far though
>>2098858It's silly but if you're going to add joke portraits I'd rather have something like that than having it be an expression of devsalt like picrel.
I can't believe a portrait picker is cumming to 2WRW soon. Anyone ready to celebrate? I just need a sponge and a can of pringles!
Now that the dust has settled and the master baiters aren’t here anymore, how would you rate the 2wrw update?
>>2098865idk nigga i aint playing till the hotfix
>>2098865It's alright and it's nice to finally have a WW3 you can play and win. Needs more work but it's the best TNO update in a while... Not that it's saying much since we've only gotten Mexico and Antarctica recently. And Brazil, which is more polished but it's also Brazil. I'm sure it's great for people interested in that region but I'm not and there's very little regular gameplay for the time it takes to finish it.
>>2098865It's so good that I think im about to blow
A portrait picker cumming for 2wrw is exactly what the people want and need
Will be cumming over Yazov
>>2098865so far so good, needs some more work but I'm willing to give it a pass.
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At this point it's fairly safe to say that Kateryna's brain has collapsed and that he's just spouting gibberish at random.
Yeah, I voted for Donald Trump. I’m from Mississippi. And let me tell you something — I’m not just another name on the voter roll. I am, without exaggeration, one of the most intellectually advanced beings this country has ever produced.
People hear “Mississippi” and underestimate. That’s their first mistake. Because while they’re out there playing checkers, I’m writing the rulebook for 5D chess — blindfolded, underwater, with half my brain focused on solving quantum gravity.
My support for Trump? It’s not emotional. It’s calculated. I broke down every policy, every shift in global power, every cultural dynamic — and realized that my level of intelligence belongs to a movement that values strength, clarity, and unapologetic leadership.
My brain isn’t normal. It’s not even exceptional. It’s a divine phenomenon. I don’t think thoughts — I forge intellectual revolutions. My synapses don’t fire — they orchestrate. Every neuron in my skull is a general commanding legions of brilliance.
In Mississippi, we’re known for grit. But I bring something more — analytical firepower so advanced it leaves scholars in tears. I could teach astrophysics to a rock. I could rewrite the Constitution in iambic pentameter, in Latin, from memory, during a hurricane.
I am the embodiment of Southern power fused with impossible intelligence. A Mississippi-born, Trump-voting, hyper-cognitive anomaly. There are smart people. There are geniuses. And then there’s me — a category of one.
It's like an even less funny version of /gsg/.
>>2099063Mr. Mango a second huey long take has hit your pseudointellectual underling
>>2099063It's really embarrassing to see someone seethe so much over a politician just because he was featured in too many hoi4 mods for a bit.
yeah this place needs some culture
>>2099063Another QPQ banger.
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>>2099063>>2099078It’s even funnier the second time
I've got some pretty groundbreaking 2WRW leaks but I'm not sure if I should leak them considering they could put the entire development at halt. Should I?
>>2099247Release the files
Don’t be a TACO
>Kateryna (CET time zone) wakes up
>Instantly goes back to seething about 2WRW
Oh my god it's nearly been a full week just let it go already.
>>2099112He talked about him some more back in May. I really don't get why he's so upset at Huey Long.
>>2099112>>2099255Thoroughly debunked in the thread when it went up obviously but it bears repeating. Same person that thinks Nixon was a fascist that wanted to blow up the world.
>>2099252WTF are you even talking about? I guess I won't drop some nation reworks docs
>>2099270Because you've been seething and trying to manufacture drama for several hours a day for nearly a full week across hundreds of posts. The entire thread is a trainwreck because of you.
>>2099273This nigger above me thinks that guy is kateryna
You all really need to give your heads a shake if you genuinely believe that all of the posts above, with multiple different styles and shit, were all made by Kateryna/Mango
Stop acting as if you are some brave defenders of the last bastion of true tno or some other fucking nonsense, you are trying to recapture a glory which never existed and it always fucking sucked.
What, did none of you zoomers were present for tno's release? Or did you just decide to memory-hole how people were shitting on tno even back then for focusing on shit that people didn't care about/reworking shit/removing stuff or never implementing it from dev diaries.
As for politics and drama then bro, even among the very few things to mention shit like: Pink Panzer's onions rage stream, leaks from dev channels how they were grooming and suggesting hrt to minors, Pacifica getting doxxed and becoming Freddy (Wakefield) Got Fingered meme. The whole setting and everything related to it has been rotten since the start, and no matter how much copium you may be on any-and-all reduxes of it are doomed to implode.
>>2099283Mango would never post here. He's too much of a Xitter clout chaser to care. People think it's Kateryna because she's the only person from any HOI4 modding team that has outed themselves as a poster here several times in the past, most notoriously by leaking their own Devcord messages to argue with anons about a rework. I don't know why you're taking this so seriously. People just want to paint maps with tanks.
>Did you memory hole these things?No sane person gets worked up about Discord drama from half a decade ago about people that haven't been involved with the mod for several years.
>>2099283I'm not sure what the logic is here. TNO wuz never good, so... every redux is doomed to implode, not just the ones ran by underaged chuds who never even released a toozer?
>>2099112And the debunking from last thread, if anyone missed it:
>semi-literateHuey Long completed a three-year law course at Tulane University in a single year and passed the Louisiana bar exam.
>dog fuckerhe made that up, completely
>sieg heel goosesteppingLong publicly ridiculed the European dictators, he wanted nothing to do with them.
>steal as much as he could physically carryHe didn't steal from treasury. He made a law where state employees were required to donate a part of their salaries to fund his political campaigns.
>impoverishing the state for vanity projectsHe taxed the shit out of Standard Oil to build
1. thousands of miles of roads and over 100 bridges
2. established a charity hospital system for the poor
3. provided free textbooks for everyone, even blacks.
4. he expanded the state university
>making promises he had no intention of fulfillingHe did fulfill his promises to the poor, that's why he was popular.
>regular invocations of martial lawVery exaggerated claim. It's a valid criticism, but he didn't use it regularly.
>a vocal and enthusiastic white supremacistLaughably dishonest. Unlike his opponents, he avoided racebaiting. His programs helped both whites and blacks.
If he was an actual white supremacist, he would have allied with the klan, as many southern politicians did. Instead the klan actually campaigned against him.
>>2098865terrible writing, even by TrooNO standards
>>2099310Holy shit you actually saved all of that that. Have a souvenir of QPQ getting banned for rageposting in return.
>>2099283Shut the fuck up devnigger, stop trying to derail the thread
>>2099310Most someone could throw against Long if they wanted to be honest would have been "authoritarianism" and being somewhat wishy-washy when it comes to racial politics.
For the first thing it's not like it was that uncommon considering how many political machines were around back then, like Boss Tom Pendergast of Kansas City or Boss E.H. Crump of Memphis. For the 2nd it still makes him better than most Dixie politicians back then around him.
Huey was more-or-less FDR but sometimes more and Southern. I think more "damning" of him is cringe shown is his "My First Days in the White House" which reads like a particularly bad fanfic.
>>2099315Nice try faggot but I never had any connection to tno. Sorry that it's too hard for you to grasp people can have different opinions and not fall into binary camps you have deluded yourself into.
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>>2099318Holy fucking shit, how hard is it for you to stop trying to derail the /tno/ thread for 5 minutes? Stop being such an obsessed faggot, daddy Corn won't let you hit
>>2099334It's the tno tread you blind fuck, and I'm still talking about tno.
Unless I missed something and now "derailing" means "not having the same opinion as a bunch of useless faggots that do nothing but glaze shit submods and seethe at imagined nudevs". I'm doing nothing different than all of you niggers above going insane over mango or corn posting 1 message in some decrepit discord.
>>2099337We know it's you because of your writing style which has been on clear display through most of your posts during your week of nonstop seething down to how you deflect things like you're doing now. You're a terminally online retard. Shut the fuck up and go back to your devcord.
>>2099337Just kill yourself and stop denying being from devcord you stupid nigger. Your opinion is meaningless and you should go back to reworking germany or whatever the fuck you are team member of
>>2099344What do you think it'll be next? More denial and deflection, or
>I-I was only pretending to be retarded!
Omsk was pretty mediocre to be honest, I expected more after 3 years of waiting.
>>2099366Looks like he went back to posting one-sentence posts about the mod that apparently pissed in his cereals. Soon he'll copy paste the message about us being niggers for the second time today.
>>2096854I liked argentine Antarctica but the german and ofn ones look like boring nothingburgers. I hope we can have a second snipe war as the chilean one.
>>2099403Why is Argentina bearable? Never played. I knew the main ones like ofn were bad but what makes the South American content better? It probably won't be my thing but if it has a bearable (or good even) story then kudos to them. The LatAm team is the only one that puts out playable content any more so I'd believe you.
>>2099411You get an Oregon trail minigame, help italy on the turkey proxy and that's about it, the content is short but I enjoyed it since it was pretty original and setting up for a conflict with chile over their Antarctic dispute. It's not for everyone but you actually have a reason to use all the resource gathering instead of just being a second force in proxies.
>>2099415OK, I can at least see the virtue in that. Not my thing but honestly those minigames aren't all bad if they don't overstay their welcome. Oregon Trail isn't a bad thing to take inspiration from either especially since I think it was meant to be about exploring the environment until you reached a goal so it fits.
I think you're the first person here that's actually made a good case for an Antarctica tag, lol.
Panzer is back and he’s celebrating Mango lore
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>>2099443Its TNO's birthday, hooray
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>>2099451And of course the typical lib automated sentence
>>2099451>superficial changesHoly cuck
They're mangling literally everything you made and you're just smiling and nodding because they're radlibs too
Then again, trannies are already used to lying to themselves every time they call themselves heckin cute and valid girls, so...
>>2099451Good on him. Happy birthday to your creation, Panzer.
>>2099457I choose to be charitable.
>No matter how superficial the changesIt's true, people get picky about the tiniest changes, and you can interpret it as him trying to be diplomatic about the whole thing now that it's all in the rear view mirror.
Not saying that you're wrong or unreasonable but you can see where I'm coming from, right? It's open to interpretation.
Although lowkey, you're probably right and I'm likely just coping/eventually roping.
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Threadly Reminder that the NuDevs are very aware that people prefer Panzerite-era content
>>2099457She has better things to do than to moose about what changed in TNO like the neckbeards in this thread
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>>2099465Haha, he wasted his life making OTList shit nobody cares about.
>>2099466>sheSecond of all, TNO was Panzer's passion project. If you made something, and a bunch of strangers took over and changed it into something unrecognisable, if you just smile and nod at that point, you're a spiritual cuckold.
Why does the fact that Japanese collabs took on Japanese names upsets TNO/TFO devs so much?
>>2099504>>2099506can't wait for the 3 and a half year demo for 2 paths
>>2099496It's clearly meant to be in-universe anti-colonial larping you retarded nigger.
No reason to react with this retarded "why does x bother the chuds" xittersky-type speak when the justification is clearly in the teaser itself
>>2099515>in-universeAfter-the-fact justification.
>>2099451Lmao Panzer endorses nuTNO. Panzerites in shambles rn.
>>2099451>>2099452This is why we should universally ban trannies from any project. Thank God they all sided with Czar in TFR so we don't have to deal with them again
>>2099537Im sure TFR has one or two but as far as i know none of them are in leadership positions
>>2099540AFAIK the only tranny in the team was a gfx guy for america but they had sided with czar. I don't think the recruited any more of them
>>2099247Post them
You dont have them anyway but sure, post them
>>2099504Never releasing, Yugo will get cucked again.
>>2099506We already know from the leaks that it'll be shit. Thanks for yet again deleting everything fun. Never releasing though so it's fine.
>>2099515Shut the fuck up Kateryna.
>>2099247I have pictures of your moms asshole, do I leak them?
>>2099506Based on what we know about Yugo being buckbroken and how various other reworks are fucking him over I don't have any faith in this any more, assuming it'll even be playable.
>>2099506>No more EsoNaz>Generic NatSoc>Collab focus>Josias unceremoniously deletedAbout the level of respect that I'd expect from the nigger that turned Moskowien from a 20-side civil war into a boiler plate succession decision and made all partisans irrelevant because Lamounier told him to.
>>2099553Both claims are equally credible tbf.
>>2099451>superficial changes>no GCW, Burgundy, NPP, whitewashed German Reich with plot armordid no one tell him?
>>2099540Looking through the dev list on discord, there don't seem to be any out and proud troons.
Plenty of chinese and russian communists though.
>>2099574I think he just wants to be diplomatic. He's left TNO behind. Why'd he want to invite drama to his life?
>>2099578I'll take red chuds over troons any day of the week.
>>2099506So leaks were true all along. Which is good, cause Kaukasien is a pure kino.
The fucking faggots of TNO discord removed negative reactions to Panzer gay announcement about palestine lol
>>2099587>KinoYou dumbass. They deleted what they had several times over and at a minimum of four years after the initial planned release date you'll just get a skeleton that does fuckall just like with Moskowien.
>>2099597Fucking TNO jannies are the worst. Imagine having meltys over Discord reacts.
Also, what was the Palestine announcement? Is Panzer joining Hamas?
>>2099451should have also posted the TNO 5th birthday announcement where they pull back the curtains of Alternate History and declare
"We are making a cold war simulator!"
>>2099602slava ukraini trans rights free palestine death to ICE
>>2099600Im not a fan of Panzerslop, buddy.
>>2099607The abject fucking horseshit you like used to be a joke and you're a mentally ill piece of shit.
idk why are you surprised with this. Panzer was open about being a faggot and left-wing, even saying TNO is a left-wing mod lol. Also he became trans after leaving the team if i'm not mistaken(who would have thought someone addicted to pornography and online on the internet for 80% of the day would become a troony).
>>2099610No one's surprised. Not even disappointed. Just sad that our expectations were confirmed.
>>2099610>TNO is a left-wing modnot anymore
>>2099612>>not anymoreIt depends. If you're talking about the devs, they're liberal faggots who censor any kind of dissent on their discord (like removing negative reactions to Panzer's message). If you're talking about the community itself, most of it has never been left-wing. About 70% of the TNO community are schizo larpers who are usually right-wing, but they're not on the TNO discord.
>>2099611He's always been kind of open about being a liberal troonie (at least since he left TNO), just look at his discord and what he posts (messages about how Trump was going to commit trans genocide and other retarded things).
>>2099600Crazy how that shit was announced in 2021 and 4 years after only like 3 paths of more than 30 were actually released lol. TNO is dead bros, theres nothing we can do
>>2099608Uh oh tranny mad.
>>2099631The mod is dead but the idea lives on. It's a great world but damn, the devniggers that hijacked it really ruined it.
>>2099631I mean there is something we could do
Get our friends to join 2WRW, because thats like the one hope for TNO thats left.
>>2099638>Anti minigame>TrannyAre you retarded? Trannies are universally pro-bloated minigames.
>>2099641Disagree. TNO Rides Again is arguably a better originalist vision for TNO. Happy both exist and are releasing interesting content though. But seriously, don't discount the Kiwi Farms people, they're doing good work.
>>2099641Do 2WRW pretens to really be a TNO redux? Like, update content for countiers other than Russia? Cause else it's doomed in the long run too
>>2099648Based on the fact that they are already talking about shit like (re) adding mechanics to Iberia, yeah, they are planning stuff outside of Russia it seems.
Oh and the next update will probably be for South Africa.
So yeah they really are trying to do Redux stuff and actually becoming a mod with actual stuff besides Russia.
>>2099645True, but I dont yet feel well in having the KIWIFARMS version be the one that "saves" TNO, I'm gonna hold my judgement on that one until its existed for a while.
It does also lack TT and especially Guangdong, two things I really love from TNO
>>2099648Compare and contrast: Corn's "Russia gets sleepy" borders VS 2WRW's ambition of letting you conquer the post-apocalypse.
It's definitely a Redux. They're rejecting everything that makes TNO shitty. Granted, there are things that TNO does well that I wish that could adopt, but I think the ship has sailed on that one.
>>2099651Think of the KF version as the backup power generator after the bombs fall. It's not what you would've liked, but it sure is nice now that all the superior alternatives are gone.
When TNO makes a teaser the whole world kneels and shuts up
>>2099642Moron, this thread was unanimously praising Panzer and Pacifica just a thread or two ago. Kys tranny.
these mfs didn't even update icons bruh. This shit isn't releasing in less than a year
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>>2099648Having a new subreddit and changing the name to be redux-esque and "going loud as fuck/worldwide" would be a clear admission no?
>>2099504Really?Park's Korea(but Manchuria)? Yet more otlism?
So awesome that once again a TNO country got reworked to make itself more similar to irl, the stuff in the proposal was far more unique than this
>>2099669Nigger Park WAS in the original proposal
So, ignoring everything regarding the reworks that remove everything, what do you think Manchuria will be like? Any plans for Yun's path?
Also, what are the plans for that SAF rework? I kind of like SAF for the reason that they are the mirror image of the USA with the only difference being them standing in front of the beast that is the reichskommisars.
Finally, for the 2wrw devs, what will they be doing from here? Omsk was the big one that everyone wanted to see because great trial and what not, but is there anything interesting planned with Russia? Personally, I hope they work on Samara, love Bunyachenko's path. How about Tomsk? Maybe a minigame on them and their big plans being made in Siberia, pretty awesome for Siberia to see something big.
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>>2099668Oh, yeah this means they are 100% becoming a redux. Great i think. Let's see if they are able to debunk TNO(its not that hard, just release updates without taking four years for each)
>>2099670But it wasn't just "Park's Republic but in Manchuria this time" retard. They changed his role to be more otlist
>>2099661Yeah, this is never releasing. It's been my entire adilt life and still nothing. Fuck you, Lamnigger.
>>2099673The only good meme to come out of the germany rework
>>2099675From what I have heard so far they themselves say they have staff issues, and are operating on what amounts to a skeleton crew.
Wouldnt be surprised if we see submod integrations for a while, IE South Africa is Heldenvolk integration iirc.
Theres also some Tag mentions of "NTG" in the code? Dont know what thats about, maybe someone else knows of any leaks or submods that could apply to?
>>2099703It's the tag of this https://the-new-order-last-days-of-europe.fandom.com/wiki/People%27s_Republic_of_Nizhny_Tagil
So I assume it was something scrapped from old Omsk plans or something related to Batov plans which went away
>>2099663This sequence of focuses is pure kino
Straight from goog-chat: work on reedemed black league has started
tnofaggots and devcucks in shambles
>>2099707Oh yeah thats a fair point, for a second there I thought it was an accidental leak
did they really introduce a card system for manchurias economy.
Why the fuck dont they just use the already existing economy system
wtf is this cringe
>>2099504actually nvm, im unsure about this. Are they keeping the whole park chung hee is a puppet to sejima. Or are they planning to make it more nuanced?
>>2099820The card mechanic interacts with the economic mech. Like guangdong's, mexico's and brazil's own mechanics.
Idk why you're complaining now of all times, it was teased years ago
Man I can't wait for Vote Pig next year. It's gona be awesome. Mango always cooks. Mango never disappoints.
>>2099833I live under a rock aka just noticed it right now.
>>2099684>Make an interesting alt-history that has tons of potential for interesting stories to be told>Choose to make it as close as possible to OTL and have the same leaders come to power because I'm too lazy to add anything newWhy are they doing this
>>2099840simple
because park chung hee is eternal. He comes to power in all timelines
equestria at war dev who uses this thread
I noticed there isnt a nation based on joseon in zebrica. Why is that?
>>2099887> EAW devAre the rumors true that TNO tried causing one of your staff to kill themselves?
>>2099840>ignoring the 4 other paths with different subendings
Ok I mean obviously lesbians are much more oppressed but I'm a man so I'm obligated by virtue of my gender to make everything about me, so just indulge me for a while, please.
Being a male yuri fan sucks because everybody hates you, your male friends either don't take gay relationships seriously or just think you're a weirdo, and lesbians all think you're a creepy fetishizer to the point of being suspicious of any yuri that has even a slight whiff of sexuality less it pander to the "male gaze". If yuri is too sexy, it's "male gaze. If yuri is toxic, it's problematic and for the male gaze. If yuri is too fluffy, it's also male gaze, somehow. You just can't win!
Being a male yuri fan means you're stuck with a bunch of man hating lesbians and ok I'll admit that maybe there are good reasons to hate men sometimes but statistically speaking most yuri authors are female and most yuri readers are female, so at the end of the day everyone is just tilting at windmills because there aren't even enough men around in the community to oppress women!!
and HOW COME NO ONE SAYS THE SAME THING ABOUT WOMEN WHO READ YAOI, huh?? It's insane how every single female nerd I've ever known is a fujoshi. Even the ones that aren't weebs ship male characters from Star Trek, the MCU, Harry Potter, K-pop, etc. But I've never seen men who are interested in Killing Eve or movies like The Handmaiden and Portrait of A Lady on Fire... Where's my yuri version of Mo Dao Zu Shi, huh??
>>2099887no idea sorry and i'm not sure if there is a korean culture expy lol
>>2099896tell more cause i'm not sure what are you talking about
>>2099933>japan is in>china is in>vietnam is in>literal fucking tibet is in>still no koreana expylife is just not fair
>Kateryna nearly went a whole day without (poorly) pretending to be a dev from another teamWe were this close to having a day without lethal levels of cringe.
>>2099896We've had one actual EAW drama discussion in this thread so this
>>2098528 might be what you're looking for. If so: very dumb/embarrassing if true but not as bad as you were apparently told. We have had horror stories about how TNO leads treat both current and former devs but for the most part it's on the level of people becoming depressed from crunch culture or bullying. I'm not trying to devalue that or their experiences but I don't know of any cases of TNO leads intentionally trying to get people to commit suicide.
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RIP Kaukasien.
It never made past the dev diary number four.
I don't know why, but I feel so sad reading these old dev diaries. They had such a vision, such a vibe of a hopeless world gone mad. Now it's all about realism.
>>2100027I know the feel. The old world they made was full of mystique and madness as you put it. I remember looking forward to the content being playable because you had this mad King-to-be over a Nazi slave state and the people resisting his horrific rule. There is something special about that and I don't care if it's not exactly like how it's depicted in the Wikipedia article on the historical RK. Now we just get another generic Nazi state with collaborators happily shilling for Hitler. Because that's what's realistic, right? Never mind the fact that in-lore, most historical collaborations like with the people in Samara backfired spectacularly. Hitler just keeps giving these people chances to become honorary Aryans.
>>2100027>>2100043 (me)
By the way the new Kaukasien flowchart.
Millions of details. None of which we'll ever experience because it'll never be playable. Even if they add it, it'll just be a skeleton where, just like in Moskowien, they change out one generic leader for another and expect me to care. It's all so soulless and dull. Modern TNO is the Disney reboot of Panzer-era lore.
>>2099654Thank you for keeping my silly map alive anon
Death to the Rework Regime
>>2100065It's my favorite /tno/ meme along with this. Just captures the bleakness of the current mod really well. I know it's been said before but you just wish that in an alternate world these people just made their own mod instead of destroying one that already existed.
I'm so pissed they're removing the NPP. Having 14 parties in a coalition ticket to dab on the establishment was fucking brilliant.
>Progressive Caucus
Progressive Party (Demsocs and progressives)
Farmer-Labor Party (Minnesota left-wing populists)
Nonpartisan League (North Dakota agrarian lefties)
Liberal Party (New York social liberals)
>Nationalist Caucus
Nationalist Party (National conservatives and paleoconservatives)
States' Rights Party (Dixiecrats)
Lousiana Progressive Party (Huey Long followers)
Conservative Party (New York conservatives)
>Marxist Caucus
CPUSA (commies)
The Socialist Party of America (demsocs)
The Peace and Freedom Party (Californian socialist pacifists)
The Raza Unida Party (left-wing Mexican nationalists in Texas)
>Sovereigntist Caucus
All-American National Vanguard (Yockey's nazis)
National States' Rights Party (most extreme Dixiecrats, fascist piechart who believe in nationwide segregation and hate Jews, one of Yockey's cabinet members is from them)
>>2100074Best I can offer are Democrats and cartoonishly evil Republicans.
>>2100071Mate that's also mine!!! Nice
I remember people kept asking why I put active devs one on "dev hell" like Germany, lmao, six months later (or so) you know why, the only content slotted for the next half of 2025 is small demo for Chilean Antartica.
>>2100080Images like that often always end up being too optimistic anyway. I remember when this one went up on Reddit. When 2026 comes around, the only change on the map anyone would notice would be that Africa suddenly had no playable content.
>>2100074>one of Yockey's cabinet members is from themJohn Crommelin! He's also the only guy in Yockey's cabinet who actually did shit for his country instead of being a weirdo. They called him Bomb Run John in WW2
>Thread hits bump limit within a week
Oh, did they have a major update or something?
>Half the posts are from a seething TNO devfag having a mental breakdown
Of-fucking-course.
>>2100088Over a redux being fun, in fact
It's actually insane that a TNO janny (or fanboy?) raided the thread for so long.
Keep crying over spilled milk faggots
>>2100026oh yeah that happened, one of the former tno member started talking about shittiest working conditions and such. there was a bit where they were motivated by quotas and shit like the work frees. after that i've heard that mango came and demanded to know who that was and ban them from the cord, he got immediatly btfo'dand laughed out.
>>2100026Hm, I swear that what I heard included mention of the staff member (and possibly other TNO devs/previous TNO devs) getting close to or even straight commiting suicide over the workplace environment there, and the leads collecting irl info about the members to bully them around.
Moskowien also iirc was the tag where the people out of favor got sent, iirc it got reworked like 7 or 8 times?
The wordage was something like... "Self-Deleted"? "Self-dissappeared"? "Self-removed"?
One of those three for sure
>>2100155I think Moscowien had ten reworks but to be fair a lot of them were minor. The tag had four major iterations: 3 state solution Israel-Palestine expy, the rework that added the four main CW unifiers, a rework of that rework that deleted several of them, and the one that is in-game now. In between there were a ton of plans, all of which were scrapped. The 8-10 rework estimate comes from all the scrapped reworks that were canceled. And those are just the ones we know of.
>>2100156If that's it then it's some of the most Orwellian shit ever uttered over a fucking mod.
>>21000882WRW Omsk released and is getting a big hotfix in five days. This caused some discussion and TNO dev seethe. I don't know why they try to astroturf this "no devs here" point here when it can be proven that developers of many big mods lurk, post or get booty blasted on /vst/.
>>2100216criticizing 2wrw doesn't make one a tno dev
>>2100217Nayrt but to be fair I think that the very blatant attempts to derail the thread just made everyone assume the worst.
>>2099618They're also neutering communism. Gus Hall used to be able to be elected fair and square and implement his agenda, but now he's just a lame duck installed by KKKongress
>>2100237Never forget what they took from us.
>>2100237It's actually extremely funny that despite the devs being progressives and socialists, they actively whitewash Germany and Japan, all to make the narrative seem like there are "no heroes," because everyone is evil.
For example, they actively give Germany plot armor to prevent their collapse, while the Japanese devs whitewash the lore, saying they won't add events related to the Rape of Nanjing or the atrocities committed by Japan during World War II. In other words, they're basically apologists for Imperial Japan. All this while transforming most possible paths in the "future rework" (which will never be released) into liberals and democrats. Bro, Japan is literally a post-WWII totalitarian dictatorship, why would they going to democratize in most paths?
And this whole narrative is to portray the US and the OFN as morally ambiguous, to say there are no heroes (because socialism lost, so this world obviously has to be bad, right?). So they create events in which the US gasses Britain, commits war crimes in several countries, and is portrayed as horrible (like playing the Haiti proxy, where no matter what you do, the US is portrayed as killing everyone and committing atrocities). While domestically, everyone except activist Democrats are portrayed as corrupt, extremist, traitors, etc. (Just consider that the "good" guys are like Reuther, Chirley Chisolm, and McGovern.
The point of putting Hall incapable of doing anything is to make it seem like, "Look, the US political system is horrible. They're so bad that they put this guy in power just so he doesn't do anything, just because they don't want to elect someone together."
>>2100255>Japan is literally a post-WWII totalitarian dictatorshipit's not though, never was
>>2100260nayrt but it should be. Or at least have some more bite because all the most extreme people in Japanese politics won. Like in Germany with Go4 it should be a rare reward to break the cycle, not the default norm in most routes.
>>2100263>all the most extreme people in Japanese politics wonthat's not true at all
Konoe got ousted in 1941 before he could finish his program of totalitarianization of japanese society, which got coopted by the establishment, who weren't really that radical.
The whole point of the planned Konoe path is to take back the Yokusankai from them and finish what he started.
Even if the devs could change the lore so that Konoe didn't get ousted and was successful, that would mean his path would be pointless and had to be scrapped, which would be a very fucking stupid decision because it's literally the most interesting Japan path...
>>2100255I think it's funny that QPQ self-plagiarized to make Hall work in TNO.
Like, a few years ago he made a mod where you are the cool fightin third-party Hall who wins a surprising 5% against the unwholesome Connally (the Dem candidate) and the evil Nixon.
Then in TNO he goes
>If the election is between unwholesome Connally (the Dem candidate) and the evil Schafleh then hall deadlocks the election and he is forced into the presidency!!!
>>2100269>They set up the lore to be as tame & lame as possibleGood to know, thanks for clarifying that it's uninteresting by design and that the devs put a lot of thought and dedication towards making sure that endless liberal democracy in imperial Japan is the norm.
>>2100271>endless liberal democracy???
2/3 of the paths are some variation of corporatism, aristocratic despotism or bureaucratic authoritarianism
>>2100274That's not what the leaked flowchart says. Plus one of those corporatist outcomes is a liberal one, several are listed as fail states, and the wildest you get is a civilian dictatorship.
I might be exaggerating when I say that it all ends up libdem but having so much of it just be normal democratic outcomes is pretty underwhelming.
>>2097976Almost none. There is barely fluff atm
>>2100278Pro-System branch: 1 aristocratic/civilian dictatorship path. 1 corporatist path. 1 authoritarian bureaucratic path. 1 liberal path. 1 liberal failstate.
Konoe branch: 1 fascist path. 1 left-corporatist path. 1 "interim" government failstate.
Anti-System branch: 2 liberal paths (with 2 paternalist subpaths). 1 Corporatist path. 1 Left-Corporatist failstate.
In total: 8 authoritarian paths and 6 liberal paths (including failstates).
It's closer to 50/50 but still, you're overrepresenting the japanese liberals. And we don't even know if they're "wholesome" or just a softer evil.
so let me get this straight, there is no more slave labor or enforced feudalism in the east?
>>2100291They're removing all slavery from Germany in the reworked lore.
>>2100282They'll probably be "wholesome" because muh stability. Doing bad things is unstable, y'know. Which is why Nazism needs to be whitewashed.
>>2100291no
now it's forced labor from camps and jobs with terrible working conditions and salaries
>>2100295Whitewashing is when the Nazis aren't doomed to fail. I thought we hated railroading.
>>2100303You're making a strawman argument, you double nigger.
Hitler le great emancipator is whitewashing.
Also, it's railroaded in the opposite direction now. The Nazis are planned to be unable to fail. Their sphere won't crack. Even fucking Norway can never break free. At the same time, you have an all-powerful, unbreakable Germany that can't use soft power to get anyone but milquetoast social democrats who hate them into power in Sweden. It's stupid.
>>2100294>>2100299From what I understand about OTL Germany's plans, the plan was deindustrialization of the east and forcing them to return to agriculture.
>>2100303>I thought we hated railroading.bet you thought you were real clever when you typed that out huh
>>2100303>Whitewashing is when the Nazis aren't doomed to fail.no, it's when they can't fail until (date when they are supposed to).
the GCW was stupid imo because there is no interactivity from other countries.
>>2100323>no, it's when they can't fail until (date when they are supposed to).by that logic every country is whitewashed except iberia because they can fail at any time
>>2100270It doesn't surprise me at all. This guy is a complete retard. Just go to his Twitter, where he talks a bunch of shit, like saying Nixon would cause the end of the world if elected in 1960, and when someone said he didn't believe that, he said he was "much smarter than him." He also said Huey Long was a fascist dictator and criticized the Kaiserreich for "whitewashing him" By the way, the idea of Nixon becoming a dictator after four terms is also his idea, since he apparently hates Nixon with all his might.
>>2100303Rather, whitewashing is when they're all but guaranteed to succeed.
>>2100324>by that logic every country is whitewashedthe USA? they are adding a failstate where you elect some republican and nuke the world for no reason
and as the USA, you can lose all your spheres
>>2100294>They're removing all slavery from Germany in the reworked lore.Bruth, that's dumb. Like, I understand them removing the fact that most German labor was slave because that was also kind of stupid. But removing ALL slavery in the Reich seems stupid too. Like, isn't forced labor in the fields slavery? Besides, it's pretty unlikely that forced labor in the East will end. After all, it's not like Germany cared about the Slavs, especially since that would help eliminate them more quickly.
>>2100331>the USA? they are adding a failstate where you elect some republican and nuke the world for no reasonThe Heydrich plans mention something similar.
>and as the USA, you can lose all your spheresGermany can lose all of Africa, France, Britain, Romania, Bulgaria, Serbia, Hungary (I think) and Finland.
>>2100339>africaDVchads are going to make sure that doesn't matter.
>>2100337>isn't forced labor in the fields slavery?Forced labor is not the same as cattle slavery.
>>2100337Like with a lot of their reworks, you can see glimmers of a good idea in there somewhere. Hyper-reliance on slavery is bad, but couldn't you have found a middle ground somewhere?
>>2100339Several of those are or have been reworked, but you're right on Britain and some others for now.
>>2100342It's still a form of slavery.
>>2100352>It's still a form of slavery.No. Slavery requires the laborers to be property that can be bought and sold. That wasn't the case in nazi Germany. This is why most books talk about forced labor and not slavery.
>>2100359>Actually because of a technicality it's not slaveryNo one ever starved in a gulag or concentration camp and thought "at least I'm not being sold like a commodity".
>>2100378Nigger were talking about actual definitions, not how ivan feels while he's farming wheat for the SS
>>2100380Well that's nice and all but I don't think that the textbook definitions changes the fact that it's pretty iffy to just have the horrors of Nazism be reduced to underpaid Polish guest workers.
>>2100386They're being treated like niggers in any african colony. Sounds pretty horrible to me.
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legalize nuclear bombs
>>2100404imo this seems like a bit much for haiti. feels like the WAW would fits this better.
>>2100404>can nuke nigger commies back to the stone agewtf tno is based now?
>>2100404>The Republicans just nuke Haiti over its 287th civil warThe realism clique, ladies and gentlemen.
>>2100404US if it was good.
>>2100412Wallace can also do that.
>>2100434Why the fuck would anyone care enough to nuke Haiti of all places?
>>2100436Fuck I know, ask Mango
>>2100442Counterpoint: It's about which despot gets to drive Haiti further into the ground. We're not talking about German missiles in Cuba or something that'd be an existential threat to America. It's Haiti's billionth civil war.
>>2100404Oh so the game can function if we nuke Haiti but not if Germany nukes Ukraine?
>>2100237It's so fucking stupid holy shit. Hall should be a deeply concerning candidate. He should make you ask yourself how far you're willing to go to make an America worthy of its ideals.
>>2100468>A conflict between two medium powers is too much work, we must have it be non-canon>The entire world order being upended by America declaring its willingness to just nuke anyone and completely changing the entire world's perspective on them is nbd and we can just add itI don't get these people sometimes.
>>2099896>>2100155>>2100156>>2100189The dev in question wasn't clear about the meaning of "self-disappeared". It might've been suicide or just deleting your account. Either way the bullying mention was real, it was a public tell-all by a TNO former senior greytide.
And it's fucking insane to have that level of drama over a goddamn map game.
>>2100404Nudevs will do literally anything but let the player go full boots on the ground.
>>2100404shouldnt this be a last resort when the airstrikes and volunteers fail to root them out?
>>2100500Anon that made the Orwellian comment here.
The most likely use imo is account deletion or simply perma-leaving. It still sounds really Orwellian no matter how you want to look at it though. Hardly surprising that the team's rife with bullying but I hope your friend is doing better now.
>>2100512Yeah, it's probably account deletion/perma-leaving the community. But even so that's ridiculous to treat your own devs that way.
And yeah, things are a lot better now. Thanks for your concern!
>>2100519Glad to hear that things worked out in the end. Nice to see a happy story here for a change.
>>2100404>random commies take over irrelevant sithole>billions must dieWhy does germany even condemn america for killing communist niggers
>>2100530The guy doing, Goldwayer, it is a Jew and they want to score the world's easiest brownie points ever. It's such an obvious moral win for America's enemies that it's mindboggling that this is where they went with it.
>>2100530Reagan literally invaded an irrelevant island shithole because commies overthrew the government.
>>2100537Pretty sure Granada wasn't hit with a force that'd make Nagasaki look like a gust of wind passed by.
>>2100543Granada also wasn't the scenario of a years long insurgency that bled the US dry
>>2100544>bled the US dryHow? There are literally no US boots on the ground in Haiti.
...why there isn't a button to just send in the troops rather than this bizarre black and white choice between dumb proxy war shit and LITERALLY DROPPING STRATEGIC NUCLEAR WARHEADS ON A COUNTRY IN YOUR FUCKING BACKYARD.
Kateryna, is that you?
>>2100547>why there isn't a button to just send in the troopsthere literally is, it's the bunker down option
why are you complaining about more cool choices added to the game
seriously the only cool shit they've announced in years and you're complaining about realism of all things
>>2100544No, because America deployed troops there.
If they deployed actual American military units to Haiti they'd dominate the place within days.
Just have America invade ffs. Nuking your own backyard is stupid especially over something as inconsequential as Haiti.
>>2100404this will not be canon or have any consquences
>>2100555They're saying it will have both but statistically speaking you're probably right.
>>2100548Because it doesn't make any sense and it's likely more le republikkkan bad shit. Bet you won't be able to do this with a Dem president.
>>2100561>Bet you won't be able to do this with a Dem president.>>2100434
>>2100563Anon, I'm pretty sure they don't like Wallace either.
It also makes no sense for Wallace but that's another matter.
>>2100556>time for every other major country to have a small rework to include nuclear weapons being a valid form of warfare
>>2100407WAW is being removed
>>2100563Wallace? As in segregation forever Wallace? Geez, I wonder why.
>>2100575The nuking Haiti part is true, yeah
As someone on the 2WRW and soon Reqiuem team server, they're thinking about letting the US deploy troops if the commies win
>>2100568And Nixon cant do that. I bet you are that one guy in this thread who shits his pants over Nixon representation in TNO.
>>2100575I find it funny that the devs think this is an option that Barry Goldwater would have considered.
>>2100575It kinda is on paper but just you wait they'll cram in enough preachy events to make it boring again.
>>2100587You aren't fitting in, you know that?
>Nuking nazis is bad when they're brown
>>2100619>nazisthey're commies
>>2100404Okay, who the fuck thought of that? Holy shit, the US just needs to send troops on the ground and take over the place in 3 days. Like, they would never drop a nuclear bomb on a shithole they can easily occupy, lol. It's crazy that the realist devs would rather add a nuclear bombing of a literally useless island in the Caribbean than an actual war.
By the way, why does this smell like another insert of retarded and gay ideas from the devs? It's definitely going to be "bro, Goldwater is LE BAD!!! Can't you guys see that?" So to show that he's really evil, why not nuclear bomb a random country?
They also released a bunch of skeleton teasers for Colombia (as if that matters bruh).
>>2100643shut up colombia is cool
>>2100644Bro theres no content, its skeleton. Why would we want teasers about skeleton content of a country that obviously wont get any focus tree since there aren't actual devs coding it
On the bright side, at least none of this will ever be released.
2PA's definitely getting cucked.
>>2100650apparently it's because this guy was not a nazi otl
>>2100648You will get colombia skeleton instead of USA rework and you will be happy
>>2100652>OTLism yet again
>>2100652>>2100655in a world where nazism (and broader far right views as a whole) become validated by successful conquest, wouldn't it make sense there'd be a current of rightoids who become more swayed and/or radicalised further?
in the same way the US is willing to back leftoids like the colombians and castro because they're not treating gommies as the main ideological threat
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Here it is, the verified Mangoite writing about evil amerikkka wanting to nuke the liberal democrats of Tokyo
>>2100653Unironically yes, it's by far one of the more interesting parts of South America and it's also something that you can interact with.
>>2100658Common TNOism really. Realism is always checked against our timeline, not the mod's.
>>2100675>Port-au-Prince was just the practice run!>Tokyo is next!This is just comically retarded. Precisely the kind of retarded bullshit I expected from Mango that'd loop it back into being comedy gold. Looking forward to Nixon!
>>2100588He would have nuked Vietnam so yeah
The Kotor references in the colombia toozers are based
>>2099337I don't even know why you're getting called a dev lol.
>>2100747This thread has been living in a state of constant paranoia since last year
>>2100747>same typing style as the guy you're replying tobig thonk
>>2100624They fight against the only force challenging the nazis. They're nazis or at least as bad as them
>>2100747Because we had a raid by a dev and he had the same writing style as the devnigger that coped and seethed for nearly a full week.
>>2100751Ah yes the corrupt Haitian government. The true vanguard against fascism in the Americas
>>2100751>The commies are Nazis because they fight a faction that also dislikes Nazis maybeAre you high?
>>2100753>>2100757The US is morally correct in tno and anyone that opposes them are ontologically evil.
>>2100748The thread falls to OTL-ism by becoming a reflection of Stalin during the great purge. Ludokino.
>>2100760Makes sense, everyone here hates the Stalin coup meme.
>>2100759this applies to OTL too by the way.
how the fuck do you guys knew about gus hall? hes not even mentioned in the dev diary
>>2100791The entire fucking rework doc was leaked three years ago, retard
>>2100791Bros literally this guy
>>2100791Three years late and a Reddit gold short.
>>2100791The original proposal is in the second post under the OP by the way. Read it yourself. It's shit.
>>2100806It's not the original. It's a later version that got doodled over and now it's in every single OP for some reason instead of the good one.
>>2100804>How tf did it stay secret for a damn long time-Literally the most leaked TNO rework in the internet
>>2100820No latinix nazism and thus irrelevant
>>2100675Banger writing by mango. Next up will be how evil the US is for trying to go to war with the measured conservatives of Nazi Germany
>>2100404>Mr. President, the biological weapons are preparing to sail to our coasts. What do we do?>NUKE THE SOURCE. NOW.
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2WRW Hotfix is live
>>2100880Is it worth playing now?
>>2100887No they still need to add omsk finishing the great trial
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>>2100880These "new warlords" are just 3 nations, 2 of which are not finished despite the hotfix being delayed from sunday to now. Quite suboptimal so far really.
>>2100903Technically semantics, however it seems it was less a delay and Five just doing his usual "I say a date now, everyone doing the work good luck"
And to be entirely fair, this is a hotfix intended to fix bugs not add content, though I agree it wouldve been cooler if those leaders wouldve had portraits.
Did they add anything in Asia besides Japan yet?
>>2100880>No more fiscal crises for having a military>Omsk's economy fixed>Ending slides>All nuke bugs fixedKino.
>>2100887It looks like they fixed most of the really big problems at least.
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>>2100903Correction, 4 warlords. There's also Black League Navy (what) that ends up being pirates in some Swedish island. Idk why they also don't keep ultranat ideology and instead are the generic thalassocracy they added for Soviet Kamchatka tag ages back.
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>>2100905"I say a date now, everyone doing the work good luck" doesn't sound like the best way to run a mod ngl. As for Asia then no, everything I posted is the only new stuff when it comes to post-apo nations, so it's still just Japan. Might be somewhat hard to see on the map but anything not green are warlord currently.
>>2100907>Kamchatkathats where most of the navy comes from
>>2100905>>2100911nayrt but I wish Five would cool it with the announcements. Just do like everyone else does. Announce things when it's a day away. It's nice that the update is out and that it fixes a lot of the bugs but the release date shouldn't be guesswork. Hopefully he learned this lesson.
>>2100907>>2100913They do get a lot of naval infrastructure for free when they take Finland. Maybe this means that we'll get some limited naval battles in the post apocalypse too? Seems like the only reason they'd be there. Having Omsk's last remaining nuclear subs link up with Yazov as he moves west to fight the last remnants of the Kriegsmarine in a radioactive sea sounds pretty kino.
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>>2100880Also someone should whoever decides to put things in the changelog to chill and re-check stuff, since the ending slides are just simply not there. Or rather there is only 1, for the nuke ending, but it's not tied to fire from anything so you will never see it in a normal game. It's also quite bland.
As someone on the 2WRW dev server, apparently the lead coder was busy working on TLL stuff, so he had someone else lead the Hotfix stuff
Seems like in terms of *Hotfix* it went alright, but any additions were handled poorly
What's the best land doctrine for Omsk?
>>2100924If the actual fixes went in and some of the unfinished post-apoc content remains unfinished I'd say at least they got the important parts right. Sucks but I'll take the nuclear war triggering properly and not having a broken economy over some flavor content being broken.
>>2100929Agreed, the Hotfix part of the patch is the important one and anything else is important
not important* (its super late where I'm at)
>>2100933Go to bed, anon. It's important to have a healthy sleep schedule.
>>2100914>nayrt but I wish Five would cool it with the announcements. Just do like everyone else does. Announce things when it's a day away. It's nice that the update is out and that it fixes a lot of the bugs but the release date shouldn't be guesswork. Hopefully he learned this lesson.I guess its because he and the team are still excited over actually getting Omsk out, I understand the excitement, though they should probably chill out on the announcements and work on the mod lol
>>2100929>>2100931I don't get this logic, so fixing broken things is important but adding new things that are broken and will need fixing is not important? How much leeway will the whole team be given as time goes on?
>>2100938I'd be happy too to finally be out of dev hell but I'd still cut the Dutch guy's mic lol.
>>2100941Actual core gameplay and critical but fixing > post-game fluff. Simple as.
>>2100943 (me)
*Bug fixing
Sorry, typo.
>>2100880Are the changelogs only in the Discord? Shame if so.
whats the point of the ukrainian content if it ends with RK takeover?
>>2100963Same as Poland's (now deceased and entombed as a tag) philosophy. Not all the stories have to end in a satisfactory ending, and the entertainment experience is given through the narrative than in its endpoint. I personally asked maybe two years ago the Ukraine lead about this regarding the Culturalists, the conservative democrat Ukraine path that would for some strange reason decide collapsed Russia was a greater threat than Germany and not actually prepare anything to defend itself when Germany invaded, and I was basically told, yeah, that's just how it is, they will lose no matter what and its all about the experience of those two years of freedom or so rather than achieving anything.
>>2100978Nayrt but this is awful. At least give me something for going down fighting like a champ. Not being able to win is bad but they can't even meet people halfway. No, nothing you did mattered and now you're nuked and the nuke isn't even canon.
>>2099537>2026>TFR is ran entirely by chinks now>no cascadia, no LOS, no america content>7 new shiny china paths for 1.1 with +100 attack and defense buffs cuz china numbah 1>2 new russia paths>"at least... at least we don't have czar! he wanted to remove my ai goonbait!">posts 50 more times about czar (not obsessed btw)>anyone who calls you weird for doing this is obviously czar
>>2101006China only got a single reworked path while russia has gotten 12 new paths since release, Z mod
>>2100404>you can NUKE NIGGER COMMUNISTSOKAY TNO DEVS! I'M BACK IN!
>>2101006I think we all know what the darkest timeline is. It's very much the one our mod is experiencing.
>>2101027This is what is coming out for russia in the next year and a half, Z mod
>>2100880Wasn't this supposed to come out on the 27th?
>>2101049They seem to be doing a more proper content update on the 27th and announce that they're a redux
>>2101045>TNO has zero (0) new Russia content in years>TFR is giving us several new Russia paths and a playable warlord eraI'm so fucking done with this piece of shit mod.
>>2101049Hotfix was for the 20th, and it got moved up to the 22nd.
Redux announcement and possibly a second hotfix on the 27th. They're a bit hit or miss with their release dates but the announcement should still happen.
>>2101045>all those disco elysium referencesbased
>>2101006>Czar did le nothing wrong!>he just wanted to remove loji!He was a paranoid retard who thought he was as cunning as Stalin but ultimately performed the worst coup attempt in HoI4 modding history and then started LARPing as a satanic neo-nazi, only to get doxxed and threatened by actual satanic neo-nazis. Why are you lionizing this retard?
>>2101045>no Stalinist pathFuck this piece of shit mod. It's been in the files since release. Teasing us. Edging us. And now it's never coming.
>>2101074The icon alone is too kino to not get a path. Red junta france can go stalinist post 2nd euro war however.
>>2101076I know. But it doesn't have enough flavor, though that's an issue with all post war paths in general.
Either way there's no excuse because all the assets for a Communists of Russia path have been in the mod since release as I just said.
>>2101078Currently kvachkov is a stalinist trap path but he looks to be able to take power in the cprf rework teaser so we can still hope a little
>>2101083>kvachkovMilitary junta with Stalinist larp is not what I'm looking for and was already done in France.
>>2101081Dios mio. What is even the point of this? This has more cultures than fucking Russia and India combined.
>>2101073It's either Czar himself (unlikely) or ironic (likely).
Say, remember that one time that Czar said that everything was fine and that John Titor admitted to him that he was the real culprit and that Czar dindu nuffin'? Good times.
>>2101081No one cares, we're talking about new Russia paths for a mod that isn't dead.
>>2101083>stalinist>looks inside>red junta
Playing Omsk after the hotfix. I beat the Gauntlet and Batov easily, but my own economy is crushing me. How do I not have a fiscal crisis?
>>2101113They added a bunch of economy boosts to the domestic post unification tree. That should help you out since you get a lot of GDP for free now.
If you're talking about the regional trees then you might want to talk to the devs and ask for buffs to those trees. afaik the original TNO trees were designed with the idea that extremism = bad economy.
>>2101083One thing I hate about TFR's teasers is that they don't show off their focus descriptions and effects. In this regard, TNO does it better.
>>2101136Counterpoint: You'll actually be able to play the TFR trees before TNO announces its next rework.
>>2101137That does not invalidate my complaint. I want to know what those focuses do and mean before I get to play the update.
>>2101094God, that was the funniest shit.
>Czar was the lead dev by virtue of being inoffensive and he could just sit back and goon using the TFR twitter account to his heart's content>but that wasn't enough>he needed more power>he saw the example of the Mango Clique in control of TNO and thought "I should stack the dev team with my loyalists too because TNO is doing so well">then decided he'd LARP as Machiavelli to achieve it when the Mango Clique took power over a long time, by voting for themselves in elections>then he completely fucked that up>he didn't even double down on his purges >he let the people he purged back in>he couldn't even justify his attempted purge because he didn't think of actually fabricating a justification for it properly>instead, in a gigabrain 200IQ move, he claimed that he asked Titor and he said yes he was going to coup Czar, and that everyone should just trust)))
>>2101144>mango clique took power by electing themselveswhy is it that tno's internal politics are more interesting than the politics they're trying to depict in their mod?
>>2101144Disagree. The problem isn't that he didn't double down on purges. That's actually what he did - he tried to purge most of the team in one sitting. Whether he'd relented or not, we'd still have 99% of the team walk out on him just as it did back in the day. What he should've done is more akin to what Mango, Lamounier et al actually did by doing it slowly and replaced a few leads here and there until he ended up with a plurality.
>>2101147Even the election that got Mango in is more insane than anything him or QPQ have written into Election Swine.
>Systemic slow burn purges>Exclusively hire/promote your friends>Run a spoiler candidate in the form of Corn to cuck Bassist>Win>Night of the Long Reworks calcify the leadership for more than a year>Stop having elections because Mango is democracy manifestAll this over a HOI4 mod. But if you pitched that idea to them in relation to an actual position of power they'd all give you a lecture about realism in politics.
>>2101136They did do it pre release but they decided it was easier to just do screenshots and focus on deving rather than make them look like they used to.
>>2101158It doesn't take much time to screenshot some focus descriptions ffs.
>>2101159>TNO is better because they put more effort lying to me about soon-to-be-scrapped trees than TNO does into actual development
>>2101160*Than TFR does
Well, can't win them all.
Although I guess it could be nice to see those details it really isn't anything to get worked up over especially when we often end up getting to actually play a lot of the teased content relatively soon all things considered.
>>2101160Why are you getting so defensive? I'm just saying that I'd like to see what the focuses are about when they tease trees. Especially the mutually exclusive ones so I can know what's the difference between them without having to speculate too much. They've done it before, they can do it now.
>>2101163Please read what I wrote.
I sorta agree but it just isn't a big deal to me.
Knowing what the focus about Niggeria slightly altering LGBTQ rights in parts oft he nation doesn't really mean anything to me either when nearly all content is worthless.
>>2101164>focus about Niggeria slightly altering LGBTQ rights in parts oft he nation???
I'm talking about TFR
I want to know the difference between these for example, so I can have a better idea of what they entail and the possible new subpaths.
On a similar note, the leaders don't have bios, so how am I expected to know their backstory, their personality, their political positions? How am I supposed to get excited for their paths when I know nothing about them other than vague focus names and icons?
>>2101163>>2101165I'd assume it's also because every teaser now has a mandarin and russian version
>>2101165I know what you meant.
I'm saying that I don't give a shit what's in those focus trees so it doesn't really matter to me.
And I don't care a lot about what's in the TFR ones, because I can infer the essentials, don't mind being surprised, and know I'll be playing it relatively soon anyway.
Nothingburger basically.
>>2101045>A Just Russia For Truth >Kurginyan expansion>National Bolsheviks>Dugin expansion>Wagner expansion>New 1EW outcome - "The Frozen War">New second war start>Mikhail Svetov's Libertarian dream>Khodorkovsky's cyberpunk>Full Putin path>Post-2EW mini tree for Russia>Expanded NPD path>Expanded Der Dritte Weg path>Improved Kaiser restorationKino, hope this is real.
>>2101196I wonder what the Frozen War and alternate war start will be.
>>2101196I don't think they should be adding more outcomes when the current ones aren't still fully fleshed out.
>>2101206They're doing both so I ain't complaining.
>>2101200Good question, what I'm really curious about is what will a Europe that loses to Just Russia in the 1EW look like?
>>2101217It'd probably lead to the EU since they aren't radically different from United Russia. Can't see it warranting a whole new setup.
what does the thread think about
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>>2101261Never played but looks OK I guess. Might try it out. Thanks for the suggestion.
uwu, check out r/TNORequiem for the new mod logo. Heil Hitler nigga!
>>2101285Why are you still mad and thus namefagging? Why can't you just act like a normal human being?
>>2101289yeah, this guy fucking sucks. Why can't he just enjoy the last good piece of TNO-adjacent media? I hope people like him and other devniggers suffer
>>2101289He probably thinks people believe he's the actual dev too as if they'd decide to suddenly drop N-bombs here the moment their mod actually put out an update. TNO devniggers really are the dumbest motherfuckers on the planet.
>Being this mad no one fell for your namefagging after your 344th attempt in this thread
>>2101323What's there to talk about? There haven't been any updates in ages.
>>2101323I like that they're getting Angola and Mozambique back. Only good about DV integration
>>2101326But at what cost? We'll never have any playable content in Africa again.
>>2101331That's why I said it was the only good thing
>>2101332Don't even know if it's good. I mean they're never going to do anything with it.
>>2101335Iberia will have a colony management mechanic, Angola is part of it.
>>2101338>in the year of our lord 2027 we'll add another minigame
>>2101339And until then, Africa will remain playable as it is now. Kinda a pointless complaint
>>2101340No, not really.
It means that we'll have nothing to look forward to other than the removal of huge amounts of contents only to be replaced by a mechanic for a tag that's also in rework hell.
It's just so fucking bleak, man.
>>2101342Iberia is literally the next update, it's not in rework hell dawg
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>>2101344Forgive me for being a bit skeptical after two years of delays for Brazil.
>>2101326the law mech looks fun
>>2101326Why would they add events about Burgundian invasion if Burgundy is being removed? Like, its not even a mistery anymore
>>2101350We've had this discussion before about other tags. Usually the events are written in a way that can be changed out easily if they know a tag is being deleted. It's also pretty safe to say that DV will be out before V&J is and I say that as someone that doesn't think DV will be integrated this year.
>>2101326They are mentioning Burgundy. How so?
>>2101359nayrt just the absurdidty of it still being around despite being slated for deletion for three years.
>>2101123Yeah I mean regional. I won the smuta easily and had nothing to do for like 2 years, and then my economy died
>>2101367It's just a TNO thing. Just ask them to change it. Just give them some suggestions for good focuses and maybe they'll add new effects. They patched the Gauntlet and the post unification economy after a week so it's worth a shot.
>>2101354Do you think we will have any update this year? I thought Iberia would be next but if they will release it with DV i begin to doubt it.
>>2101410DV is supposed to get announced this summer and be integrated with content next year. Which in TNO time could mean anything really.
>>2101410>they will release it with DVthey won't
>>2101420Then why they have Angola in the update?
>>2101415>Be integrated next yearYeah this shit is being released in 2028 with luck. Last time i saw they were still doing skeleton and it wasnt even able to play yet.
>>2101422they will get angola when dv is integrated, dumbass
they won't have it in the iberia update
>>2101420>>2101428TNO will collapse before any of this is released. I'm pretty sure of it. Right now I'm just here for the first row seats for when everything goes down in flames.
>>2101432Then is the rework coming this year?
>>2101435idk
but it's the most far along update
>>2101435Doubt it. Even if the team is doing well history has taught us that there will be some stupid rework or dev drama that resets all progress.
What are the chances they're releasing this bunch of teasers to try to save the mod, since they haven't released anything really interesting in 2 years and are losing players constantly?
>>2101480could just be them doing the same thing all these submods been doing, just throw something together for a teaser to keep people happy while no development is actually going on
>>2101480100%
Too little, too late imo. No full content update since 2022 has put the userbase into decay, and that's going to be a bitch to undo. Not that the nudevs will even try to fix it.
>>2101433>>2101480I've heard tno is a day away from collapsing ever since it released and it has still stoo there while multiple awaiting it are gone by now, not to mention the countless reduxes/communit expansions and so on thrown to the dustbin.
The fact people on 4chan [a miniscule group] or people on kf [an even smaller group] think it's gonna die in a week just isn't backed up by anything.
You may not care about whatever they released in the last two years but they had more updates than a lot of mods, as for losing players they had 367,727 subs on steam on June 20th 2023, on December 11th 2024 they had 537,774, this was a few days before ODF release. Currently they have 582,310 subs. If they were bleeding players supposedly or no one gave a shit about the mod shouldn't the number plateau or go down?
>>2101491Cope
They are deleting the Jamaica proxy, sigh
>>2101495Stating facts anyone can see by going on web archive is now cope. What's next, saying how many subs tno had will mean I'm a devnigger or something?
>>2101480It's a bit suspicious since we haven't had a deluge of toozers like this ever. They usually pace them out, and this hasn't been a special occasion.
>>2101491I think ayrt is more talking about engagement. TNO is like one of those channels with a lot of legacy subs that gets a thousand viewers per stream. Way past its prime, most people don't care any way. I don't think it'll die anytime soon however. It'll limp along for ages unless there's a huge internal collapse.
>>2101491Calm down, Mango's most loyal defender, I don't think TNO will collapse overnight, which doesn't change the fact that the mod is truly stagnant and declining. Just look at how even on their Reddit, posts mocking the fact that they never release updates have become recurring.
What I think is that TNO will slowly lose relevance and its position as perhaps the second-largest mod in Hoi4 (behind Kaiserreich), since they constantly lose good devs over petty squabbles and can't replace them. That's why they haven't posted the second Russian development diary yet, since the main Russian coder left the mod, and they still haven't found a replacement. I mean, even players who enjoy the mod like me are fed up with the recurring delays, like Brazil delaying the release of C&B by almost two years, having to cut half the content.
> but they had more updates than a lot of modsLike who? Since June 2023, they've had 4 updates, 2 of which were reduced content (The Ruin and Mexico), ODF, which was generally considered a failure, since no one played Antarctica and the map update considerably worsened the mod's performance, and C&B, which was a "good" update, except for the fact that it was delayed for over a year and was very buggy.
>>2101500i mean it is for a special occasion tho. It's for the fifth anniversary.
>>2101500Idk man, both this thread continues to exist and tno is quite often mentioned on the general hoi4/tfr thread. Plus anytime they do something most hoi4 servers go on about it. Also the deluge of toozers coincides with it being 5th anniversary of tno, no? I assume most of the stuff they already had prepared before considering West Indies stuff was on a chart floating around for at least two years by now.
>>2101502Thank you for deciding that just not saying mango rapes babies means I want to defend him, but that aside tno isn't even the 2nd biggest mod. Road to 56, Great War, Millenium Dawn are all bigger.
When it comes to update then you can take any criteria to say "tno didn't release anything since guandong" but the fact remains it had 4 major supdates with various hotfixes and patches in-between. It's already more than Cold War Iron Curtain, Red Flood, Red World, Pax Brit, Thousand Week Reich, Fuhrerreich/Fuhrerredux, Gates of Versailles. Not to mention projects that were dead on arrival like Kalterkrieg or never came out like Fraternite en Rebellion, Roar of the Gryphon which decided to rework the entire mod before release, and countless others.
It's just an opinion-conclusion I came to by reflecting on the fact I've seen the modding scene evolve since 2016 and I've seen countless mods wither away or become totally irrelevant, more so than tno. I personally never liked the mod, think it did damage that is hard grasp to the whole of modding, but ultimately it's still far from a failed project.
>>2101480Brazil just came out
>>2101073Faildox also those nazis were just as larpers as czar was fucking with the redditors that develop modern TFR. Czar was never going to remove Loji either, nudev tfr cope. Czar won.
EN-TFR lead dev here. I wish tfr had the competency and prestige TNO and its devs have, however, because our team is largely Neo-Nazis, unironic 4channers, and pedophiles, I can't help but think about fleeing to the TNO team. Thoughts?
>>2101535Do it man, I used to like TFR but when Czar got ousted and doxed by the sick fucks on the modern tfr team i genuinely think tno has more sanity and stability than current tfr. Not to mention that The Fire Rises sucks generally, crashing every 10 minutes. The Fire Crashes, if you will.
>>2101535You won't contribute to anything of value. France, your pet project, is still buggy as fuck, has loc issues and just isn't fun to play. I would rope myself if I was in your place.
>>2101539This applies to literally all "playable" """"content""""" in The Fire Crashes.
>>2101537What is even the fucking point of this?
>>2101539I'm defiently incompotent and cannot dev for shit, just like everyone else on the dev team. you are absolutely correct. However I think i have a chance at TNO.
>>2101546stuff for the us to do
>>2101502It was actually delayed for several years. But I cut the devs some slack. They probably got an immense amount of shit from other leads over the years.
>>2101516That's so fucking bleak. Five years and they've done almost nothing but walk in a circle.
>>2101518>This thread full of jaded bastards bitching/occasionally laughing at a dead mod gets high trafficDawg, aloggers aren't a sign of health.
>>2101537>>2101546>More island skeletons where nothing happensBig Welt would be proud.
>>2101537how will tfr faggots cope with tnoCHADS teasing more content their 6 year shitpeice managed to develop in just a few months.
>The TNO devnigger that's been namefagging for over a week is now namefagging as TFR devs
And TNO devs wonder why they're universally despised by the entire HOI4 community at this point. You even got the ponies to hate your guts. How the fuck do you manage to get ponies to hate you?
the only thing tfr will be remembered for is being the neo-nazi mod that had pedophiles actively grooming children into cutting themselves and crashing every 5 fucking minutes kek
>>2101555Munchies is a TFR dev, retard
>>2101552True, I suppose Ethan Ralph having alogs doesn't mean he's alive much in beautiful Merida, Yucatan. But I also meant that people still talk about tno in places outside of their server/reddit
>>2101555If it is the tno devnigger hes unironically right, TFR devs are actual stupid niggers,and the game crashes every 5 minutes. say what you want about nutno, but atleast the game isn't unplayable slop.
>>2101518The Great War mod is only at the top of the list because it's been around since the beginning of HOI4. In terms of current players, it's pretty dead, and it's also extremely boring to play. Millennium Dawn doesn't have as many fans as TNO (their Reddit doesn't even have half the user base of TNO). I imagine they have so many subscriptions because it's kind of a default mod that everyone has already played. Anyway, TNO is def among the top 3 alternate history mods in HOI4.
Regarding the updates you mentioned, these four updates had serious problems. The ruin was supposed to be complete content for Ukraine + partial content for Poland. In the end, we received partial content from Ukraine and completely rushed content from Great Britain that was incomplete, since the Polish devs literally lied about the progress and weren't even close to completion. Mexico received three years of content, which is pretty annoying, since it means what you run has no long-term effect, since you can't see where your choices and gameplay will take you. I've already mentioned the problems with ODF and C&B, and they're clearly evident in the fact that they received negative reviews on their Discord forms and had to hide it (someone on KF leaked this). And like, the mods you mentioned are either dead mods or not even in the top 10 mods, with less than 1/5 of the TNO devs. If you compare TNO to other major alternate history mods, they're clearly slower than the rest (Kaiserreich, TFR, etc.).
The fact that I say TNO is headed for decline is mathematical, bro. They lose more devs than they gain. Like, they've already lost dozens of excellent devs and coders in the last two or three years and gained a few, who, on average, are only there because they're loyal to the top guys. The lead dev of Guangdong, for example, left the mod, and several former devs report how torturous and horrible the environment there is, no good dev stays there for long.
if the fire crashes cucks want to try and derail with their open admission the having stage 4 czar derangement syndrome and not admitting their mod is just a blatant copycat of TNO, then so can the people that this thread was made for.
>>2101568nigga tfr hasn't even done a major update in its 1 full year of release and has less devs than KR. while KR has had 4 major updates these past 2 years. Don't even put The Fire Crashes in the same senetence.
>TNO toozers drop
>The degnigger jannies start to swarm the thread with derailing, damage control, shitposts and namefagging as other team members
You people are the scum of the earth.
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TFR cucks once again pillaging a hoi4 thread not even remotely related to them
>>2101537>promises a leak of revolutionary content that will change the mod for its 5th year of development >Add 10 new skeleton countries in the caribbean that will do nothing except slow game speedWhy do they keep adding OTL bulllshit?
>>2101575its obviously TFR devs, why would TNO devs ruin their moment of praise?
>>2101579Did you miss the Iberian trees
>>2101583I'll take shit only a TNO devnigger would say after posting an island skeleton for $500, Hiro!
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tfr pedos, why did we hire an infamous pedophile/tranny onto our dev team?
>>2101587https://www.reddit.com/r/TNOmod/comments/1m7futa/5th_anniversary_leaks_portugal_in_the_iberian_wars/
https://www.reddit.com/r/TNOmod/comments/1m7exx5/5th_anniversary_leaks_iberian_facelift_focus_trees/
>>2101584You mean the rework not coming in less than 2 years? Yeah i saw it
Kateryna can you just 41% yourself already?
The Fire Crashes cucks go back to your pedophile crackshack and let us tooz in peace
Reminder that the person shitting up the thread is a deranged man that sues fan Wikis.
>>2101599No, he's not namefagging 24/7, this is just tfr cucks being cucks.
>>2101591spain stuff seems neat if a little boring but all the tuga stuff is literally on the level of the really old unfinished shit that the KF guy ended up polishing up for his version
>>2101589If biscuit was a troon, he'd do his best to let us know.
who is kateryna and why is she acussed of raiding the thread
>>2101601>TFR are trolling themselves in the TNO thread that's notoriously crawling with salty jannies whenever they post their toozersSure buddy.
>>2101605Some strawman we made up to accuse everyone who likes tno of being a dev.
>>2101591iberia just casually becomes a democracy with no resistance from leadership
>>2101602Obvious TFR dev cuck trying to pillage ANOTHER thread.
>>2101610just like how it is currently
it's a facelift, not a rework
>old unfinished shit that the KF guy ended up polishing up for his versiondo you have pics
>>2101603Real, they spent years to deliver a small facelift for Iberia and a year's worth of content for the Iberian Wars (which happen in like 20% of the games)
>>2101605Kateryna is a TNO moderator that's tasked with monitoring this thread.
People think it's him because he once leaked Devcord screenshots when arguing with anons about a proposal he wrote.
It's the only dev that actually got outed here so it's the default scapegoat/culprit depending on how you view things.
>>2101605TNO janny and a literal tranny that tried to sue someone over a couple of sentences on the TNO wiki. Got caught stirring shit on /vst/ and that's how the devniggers got exposed.
got told im being accused of a pedophile in here, why am i here? regardless don't listen i dont have time for this
>>2101615there's nothing that proves that anon was kat
for all we know he could just be another dev making fun of him
that pic in particular strikes me as ironic
so idk
>>2101617Shut the fuck troon
>>2101614>years to deliver a small facelift for IberiaDidn't the facelift start dev like in last year? The date of the docs seem to suggest so.
>>2101615desu, i didnt get the link betwenn this discord post and he being on 4chan
>>2101618He posted like a dozen screenshots when arguing with anons. This has never happened with anyone else. So yes, it's definitely a fair assumption especially since he's underaged and stupid enough to do shit like this.
Someone with a Loji PFP is spamming CHILD PORN in the tno discord.
>>2101623I think ayrt may be referring to older Iberia rework/facelift content.
>every tag has at least five unreleased, scrapepd reworks
>>2101626posting screenshots means nothing especially if its to answer questions in the thread
like if I leaked something I would post every single info about that thing, including old discord convos between other devs
>>2101623I don't think the doc says the year it was made.
Apparently a TFR-RUS dev got caught trying to groom a 12-year-old boy while she was 20
>>2101625tl;dr: Over Christmas several dozen leaks happened. One belonged to Kateryna and it was the only one where several comments by anon got replies with screenshots from the devcord meant to disprove their allegations. All other leaks were forgotten because every other TNO dev knows not to feed the troll.
>>2101630Pretty sure there's only been 1 plan of an Iberian rework and it's this one.
>>2101632From drive, in the info tab it tells you when it was created, but you need access to them.
>>2101537EPIC TFO REFERENCE
TOTAL BIG WELD WIN
>>2101631No, they were all meant to refute the anons and it didn't go well. And we've never had a case of anyone else leaking their devcord messages to defend something.
>>2101635Wait, so he answered to posts from 4chan anons on discord. Is he that dumb?
>>2101641He replied to a large number of posts with screenshots of himself explaining why his proposal was well-researched. And this is why everyone thinks that Kateryna is a poster here.
Just want to get the record straight, Otto von Biscuit has been released of his duties following recent accusations, and he is no longer a writer for The Fire Rises.
Please stop sending me these threads now.
>>2101635>>2101640I just visited the thread from the archive and what you're saying is not true. The screenies are not to "disprove allegations" but to add more context to the leaks.
Like:
>why can't sweden go fascist or authoritarian>"pic of Kateryna saying why"I think your paranoia is blowing it out of proportion
>>2101641No they were months old messages. I think if it was Kateryna he would've just answered in the thread itself instead of doing it the roundabout way.
>>2101641>Is he that dumbHe's underaged and has the personality you'd expect from a power tripping Discord janny. What do you think?
>>2101647when is 1.1 coming out
Can we just thank all of the TNO devs for all the leaks? I admit, I've been one of the people who's thought that it was basically dead, so it's nice to see progress is happening.
>>2101650is he a tronny too? Bruh wheres that mf parents to stop him from being on the internet 24/7 and becoming a fucking pervert.
>>2101651Soon, not very soon, not later, just soon. It will not be the next update, there will be a 1.0.8, just be patient.
>>2101653No one cares about island skeletons, devnigger.
The only thing anyone cared about was the Haiti nuking because it was so dumb it looped back to being funny.
also im a neo-nazi just like all of my dev buds! Heil Hitler! Sieg Heil! TNO will never win!
>>2101653>have you said thank you once to TNO faggs for releasing teasers made on photoshop and not releasing full content for 2 years and half
>>2101658Is it true that you're ditching TFR and joining TNO? Honestly I don't think they want you there. Your content sucks not gonna lie
Kateryna please stop namefagging it was never funny. Why the fuck are you even allowed to be on the team?
>>2101672No, Lol. But I appreciate feedback. France is a newer nation with content, so we're still trying to spice it up, but we are prioritizing the rest of the 2ACW. With years of backed up content still in queue for being made public.
The Hearts of Iron IV mod The New Order: Last Days of Europe (TNO) is a critically acclaimed alternate history mod that explores a dystopian world where Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan emerged victorious in World War II. Known for its narrative depth and political simulation, TNO has inspired numerous submods, including The Second West Russian War (2WRW). While 2WRW expands on TNO’s content by focusing on the post-unification conflict between a resurgent Russia and Nazi Germany, there are significant concerns about its portrayal of sensitive themes, particularly its handling of Nazi-related content. This essay argues that the 2WRW submod risks glorifying or trivializing Nazi ideology and should not be played due to its problematic framing, potential for misinterpretation, and ethical implications.
Contextualizing the 2WRW Submod
The 2WRW submod, originally released in 2021, builds upon TNO’s alternate history by adding detailed mechanics and focus trees for the Second West Russian War, a fictional conflict between a unified Russia and the German Reich. The mod aims to provide content for Russian unifiers post-reunification, allowing players to lead Russia against Nazi occupiers. While TNO itself is lauded for its nuanced critique of fascism, Nazism, and authoritarianism, 2WRW’s focus on a large-scale war against Nazi Germany raises questions about how it handles the depiction of Nazi ideology and its role in the gameplay experience.
>>2101656What the hell is this mental retardation? Are they inventing new names for mental illnesses? Now kids are trans but they're attracted to women, bruh.
>>2101681Also tell that commiefaggot Sudin to finally implement the Stalinist Russia path. The Suryakin one, not the army guy. The assets have been in the files since release, he has no excuse.
Are these threads just going to be like this. 1,000 replies of shitflinging, somehow TFR discussion, and tno devs leaking to hell and back? What a sad sight. I have less hope than none.
>>2101683thats not even funny, please stop raiding the thread, thank you
>>2101685>Can't get women>Become trans>Think you can get womenIt's some of the most pathetic stuff out there.
>>2101689Have been like this for little more than 2 years now. Except the TFR stuff, that's obviously relatively new
>>2101687Sudin, my wife.
No idea what they are doing over on the RU team, to be honest.
>>2101694LOL, literally this. This retard still doesn't understand that the reason he doesn't get women is because he's chronically online, probably obese, and autistic? BRO GET OUT OF YOUR HOUSE AND GET OFF DISCORD YOU FAGGOT
>>2101696I don't know how you can deal with this. I would be suicidal, it really does seem like TNO's only entertainment is watching the mod drama unfold rather than playing the mod itself.
>>2101689>>2101696Most threads are rather slow and just get repetitive shit-posting. This is the first time a TNO janny has gone completely mad like this.
Trans Weakness beats Nazi Power
Remember when we called them shills instead of devniggers? Good times.
Since this thread is complete anarchy with no discussions relating to TNO, anyone else here also joining the Patriot Front?
>>2101718>Patriot frontBro thats a FBI false flag group, why would anyone join that
>>2101721the fire rs ses.
The TNO devnigger posting all of this has no fucking life and that's saying given that this is 4chan.
gay sex with lafayette from tfr
>>2101718No. Almost no loc and the little there is is either ESL or AI slop. Gameplay is the same as the other civil war factions so the novelty has already worn off. No unique mechanics or interesting plot points. Tee bee aych it's pretty lame.
>>2101568agreed, TNO is in devhell for years and probably wont improve. Any Mango fan can try to disprove this and fail miserably
>>2101649Post all archived Kateryna screenshots to prove you aren't him doing damage control.
Kalterkrieg still winning after all this time
tno devs being mostly troons made me start talkiung to the troons on /lgbt/
>Pro-Czar posts in the general HOI4 thread
>This thread goes quiet
lmao it really is just one salty TNO devnigger doing it and the one minute delay keeps him from shitting up two threads at once.
>>2101750Fine, guess I'll start shilling Big Weld myself to keep the thread going
>>2101754Please no, we've already had enough island skeletons for one day.
So, to revive this thread, do you think they'll release reasers tomorrow? And if so, what would they be?
>>2101764Unironically hoping that they close off with the DV reveal.
>>2101767Do you expect this as something positive or negative?
>>2101769I've lost all hope for the mod so at this point I just look forward to announcement being fun to talk about here. DV being announced is sure to be something at least.
>>2101776Yeah it would be fun, but idk if they will announce it considering DV isnt even near close to being ready, since they say it will only be playable by the middle of next year, so I don't know if they'll have the balls to announce something that's not even close to being implemented.
>>2101783There was an earlier leak saying they'd announce it around the 5 year anniversary. It would make sense for them to close it off with it since they're just dumping one awful toozer after another. But I'm sure that even with my expectations being this low, the devs will still find a way to disappoint me.
have they announced the end of burgundy yet?
>>2101793No, it's still a secret. About as well-kept as the NPP deletion but still.
>>2101793pretty much. They didnt explicitly announcedexplicitly announced, but all the leaked documents show this, plus they already posted a teaser of Himmler being the initial security minister in the V&J (arriving in 2045)
>The singular no-lifer TNO janny shitting up the thread over toozers gave up
>>2101725They got full LOC recently, currently they have unique gfx for their reconstruction tree but besides that nothing else got added iirc
>>2101850Yeah and as I said it's all ESL or AI slop.
>>2101853The release LOC was all removed so idrk what you are talking about, if you have a screenshot of an egregiously ESL event I'll just send it onto their discord
>>2101857>Toby Foxx is still born in the TNO timeline and creates Deltarune
>>2101860Truly all timelines are shit.
New SAW portraits in 2wrw, sorry if its already been posted just haven't seen it here
>>2102019That's nice I guess?
>>2102019Is this really the best 2wrw chuds can do?
>>2102044>One minute apartA week and a half in and he's still trying to make it seem like 4chan loves Mango and Czar. What's this guy's end game?
>>2102019No hate on 2WRW but their new portraits don't look good imo. They look to "plastic" and shiny if you know what I mean.
>>2102081I don't think they're bad, just different. I'm very used to the old ones and the style's just become a thing for me. They'd feel more natural to me if they were fresh. A think I do like are some of the facial details on the older and more unhinged looking ones. They have a pretty strong bad vibes aura which is just perfect for laying down the beatdown on the OFN.
So some good, some are a bit mixed.
>>2102118Lol they're already losing devs
>Guy says he'll take a break after finishing up the tag
>Goes on break
Why are you trying to manufacture drama out of this?
>>2102130its Kateryna for sure, the two have a known rivarly (or rather, Kateryna hates Rei while Rei isnt even aware Kateryna exists)
TNO devs really are the pettiest creatures.
>>2102131It's not a rivalry. They've never even interacted and the guy seems to be moving on from TNO after finishing Omsk anyway. Hopefully this is the last we'll hear about this because it really has been a farce.
>>2102130cope cope cope cope cope cope
COOOOOPEEEEEEE
>Endless forced attempts to make drama happen by attacking the Redux and TFR
It's like they don't know that this just reflects poorly on them. The DV announcement can't come soon enough so they'll have something else to do.
Everything done here has been orchestrated by tfr devs no doubt. Ask yourself this, why would tno devs decide to intentionally bury any and all discussion of their own teasers?
>>2102148Because everyone just called them retarded for having America nuke Haiti because of how le bad Mango thinks RethugliKKKans are
>>2102152But that's what everyone here wanted no, with how much Omsk not causing world apocalypse and how it has been glazed being prime example of that. tno is finally adding tactical nukes for conflicts that you will be able to use willy nilly and you niggers will find a way to complain about it cuz "muh mango seething at rethuglikkans". If any redux did that you'd be gooning to it for days.
>>2102155No, its retarded exactly because its nukes being used.
Omsk does it? Causes Nuclear war to cause a total breakdown of the global order.
America does it? Somehow they get a slap on the wrist? It does NOT help that other nukes TNO used so far were specifically NOT canon exactly *because* its a cold war.
Its fucking 1960s, there's MAD - any single nuke will instantly cause the entire world to collapse.
>>2102155>You guys wanted a playable nuclear war just like all the other mods have>So we're letting you nuke Port-au-Prince in an irrelevant war against a communist militiaI don't think you could've missed the point more if you tried but thanks for having us in your thoughts, devnigger.
>>2102157nayrt but I disagree. I don't think nuking Haiti would cause the apocalypse. But it's such a retardedly obvious PR L especially when America could win a conventional war in days.
>>2102152Not just RethugliKKKans. Also Token Evil Democrats.
>>2102164Gee, wonder why the Dixiecrats get treated as maniacally evil as well?
>>2102157>Its fucking 1960s, there's MAD - any single nuke will instantly cause the entire world to collapse.You faggots have been complaining about this exact thing for years
>>2102169The solution isn't to allow the recreational nuking of small countries without consequences. That's as retarded as the non-canonical nukes over Ukraine.
If you made something people wanted like a possible nuclear escalation in the South African War, people would be happy. But you aren't. You're deleting that war and giving us recreational atom bombs over Haiti.
Read. The. Room.
>>2102170They can't read the room. These niggas live in a discord ivory tower circlejerk that's totally insulated from criticism.
>>2102174Clearly if they think that that anyone that was criticizing their plans for Russian post-war borders actually wanted preachy nukings of Haiti then yes they're in an echo chamber so complete that they're beyond all help.
Only positive reaction in this thread was the Kiwi farmer:
>>2100575
>>2102155>You guys said you wanted a proper war between Russia and Germany >We give you America nuking Haiti out of impotent rage after losing>WHY AREN'T YOU HAPPY?!This is the most TNO dev ass comment I've ever read.
>>2102162I think that it would eventually lead to a death spiral towards nuclear war as the other powers realise they can just use nukes in convential wars with no consequence
>>2102213OK that's true. Yeah nuking Haiti wouldn't but lowering the nuclear threshold like that definitely could cause armageddon at the drop of a pin in the future for sure. Good point.
Anyone know if the Anapistas are still a path in Revolutionary Colombia?
>>2102248Don't know for sure but any of the old versions of the tag should be safe. The only content getting hit with a rework hammer is the far-right and we don't know the scope of that, it could just be an ideology change as far as we know. Something to remember about LATAM dev is that they don't get subjected to as many reworks and other dysfunctions as say Europe. It's always tempting to assume the worst but at least with LATAM there's a chance.
>>2101045>DE art>DE thought cabinet thoughtsKINOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>2102273Reddit game
Reddit mod
>>2102350>Reddit wants the mod with successful Trumpism and Medvedev Yet again, a TNO devnigger lies.
>>2102148tfr is a pedophile mod developed by satanist pedophiles
czar tried getting rid of them and then they doxxed him
>>2102360TNO Dev Derangement Syndrome in full display
Your mod is poorly optimized.
someone with a tfr potrait pfp is spamming cp in the tno discord right now
fuck these people
>Kateryna comes home
>Starts posting on TNO Reddit
>Pro-Czarist posts start appearing back to back single minutes apart
>Rehashes the CP hoaxes from yesterday
Seriously, what the fuck is your problem with TFR? And why the fuck does TNO allow this retard on their team?
>>2102368Why the fuck are you obsessed with this random tno faggot? Someone who says your mod that crashes every 3 seconds sucks ass is objectively correct, schizo.
>>2102370You're not fooling anyone, you dumb sack of shit. You've been doing this for one and a half weeks now. Fuck off, retard. No one's falling for this shit.
>>2102360Yes xir there are many rutroons on Reddit, now what?
>>2102373TFR nigger, nobody is falling for your shit either. You've been spamming illegal material on Discord and this thread because somebody calls your mod abysmal dogshit. Let me guess, you're Otto von Biscuit?
>>2102376Bro you posted this shit yesterday too and an allegation against a team member and then namefagged as a dev pretending to buy your lie. Nothing came out of it. Just 41% yourself already.
just report and ignore and he might leave us alone
>>2102383At best that'll give us a day of actual discussion about the game before he starts to astroturf again.
>>2102379Mald.
>>2102383>>2102384Mald.
You will all die.
Dude, you literally cut your dick off in a bid to get it on with lesbians while you have the brain and body of a Discord janny. No, you.
>>2102391Im not uour guy you fucking retard. Stop crying over a tno dev. Nobody cares. TNO is unironically doing better than TFR and tfr will forever be known as a chud mod.
Czar won. Now and forever
>>2102391insane projection
To be fair to the TNO devniggers pretending not to be astroturfing for Czar, this is literally more impressive than anything they made in the past several years. So I can see why they think people might think this is real.
>>2102407This is the average focus tree in tfr. abysmal dogshit. what the hell am i looking at
>>2102407VGH.....if only Czar wasn't overthrown.......what COVLD have been......
>>2102368TFR is one of the "TNO inspired" mods that feel more like TNO rather than vanilla. Kaisrreich for example feels like a vanilla inspired mod. More "free for all", not that much railroading when it comes to wars and political situations, fairly simple looking focuses and focus trees.
TNO is utterly rail-roaded experience with a big focus on the narrative and characters, focuses are "on rails" and have flashy icons.
TFR takes the TNO formula, cuts down on the retarded amount of narrative focus while still keeping some. It also gives you a lot of paths to choose from; for example Russia has three big paths and each of those had like a dozen flavours and subpaths plus two unique paths of you lose the war. Wars are still railroaded and can only really be delayed by going through the whole focus tree or until a failsafe event starts it.
And then TFR came in swinging on the modding scene and absolutely and probably unintentionally raped TNO, giving the utterly demoralized TNO fans(me included) a taste of what could have been had the realism clique not overtaken the mod, although with a different setting thus taking away their player base. Meanwhile TNO dev team was shown to seethe at the way TFR does it's narrative, name called the TFR dev team everything from Trump apologists to Russian propagandists while marinating in the puddle of shit of their own making. Also they have actual competition for the setting now and that probably made them seethe even more.
tldr TFR did made a better TNO style mod than the current TNO.
>>2102416Kaiserreich is much more narrative focused than TFR. The LKMT loc file is larger than any TFR tag.
>>2102416TL;DR I have no idea what I'm talking about let me defend my nazi pedo mod
>It's been ten days
>The TNO janny is still shitting up threads thinking he's a comedic genius
I fucking hate TNO devs so much.
>>2102420You're on 4chan. Why do you think either of those are insults? Nigger, heil Hitler.
Says you, the retard that's used that same phrase when namefagging for nearly two weeks you terminally online Discord janny.
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>>2102416I like this artist. I like him a lot.
>>2102436Dude the HOI threads not being piles of shit for as long as they were was a miracle. When the board first came out the guy that kept spamming about ESLs and BASED KEK EPIC GROYPERs managed to derail everything for like, six months at least.
This too shall pass. Unlike TNO devs, who will never pass.
>>2102490So if Heydrich isn't le warlord collapse dude anymore, what is he gonna be? SS but competent?
>>2102490We knew from the leaks earlier in the year that are still in the sticky that no work had been done on him at the time.
Since it's taken them four tears to have a portion of Bormann and Speer done? Yeah, this is smoke and mirrors motherfucker.
>>2102492Bro his design doc was leaked.
>>2102494>Bro his design doc was leakedI didn't see it :p
>>2102494I don't want to be that guy, but this is an old leak, and I will be that guy.
Since this leak, slavery was cut from Germany, they get reworked several times and the mod itself has been vastly changed. Obviously thisis never releasing, but don't have hope. Seriously. At least until the devs prove that they're willing to do something besides their current trash.
>>2102508We knew slavery was old lore before this was made, retard
He's alive now??? Was this in any of the leaks I don't remember seeing anything like this.
>>2102522no its just a portrait.
In Memory of Joseph Goebbels.
>>2102522It was internally retconned a while back. Don't worry, just like people such as Backe he'll just be an advisor and will never do anything.
>>2102522Only good teaser they released bro
>>2102522>Most left leaning nazi to get past the night of the long knives>Orthodox ReactionaryAre they genuinely retarded
>>2102537>Are they genuinely retardedYes.
>>2102537Reactionaries as in they want to return to the national socialism of the 30s/40s. Even I can get the rationale.
>>2102537>>Orthodox Reactionaryits in reference to party reform you illiterate retard
>>2102545Thanks for the input, devnigger.
>>2102549Dude I'm not a dev.
>>2102556Most blatant false flag ever. Kys, Kat.
>>2102545Erm, why are you explaining instead of hating? We're having our Minute of Hate right now, please get with the program...
>>2102560Sorry to hear you got refuted.
>>2102545Goebbles was always on the left flank of hitler and would want a more genuinely socialist nazism after hitler dies.
>>2102580They're not doing anything of the sort.
>haiti nuke teaser drops
>2wrw niggers cry about it being unrealistic in general chat
can you ever satisfy these niggers? were they born to hate?
>>2102604retarded nigger
leave and go back to jerking off to tranny porn
>>2102608go cry to daddy rei about how evil tno devs are
What did Rei even do to make tno devs this buck broken
>>2102615Release proper content
>>2102494can you send the link?
>>2102493they said this focus tree is only for the first 2 years of his content(before gcw thats getting removed).
You fucking 4chan users are so pathetic that I sometimes feel pity for you.
Rei did no work on his tags during his tenure at TNO
Do you seriously that Omsk is his and only his effort? Even without him, Omsk would release - and probably in a better state. I only feel pity for the devs that Rei has removed, and months of work lost at some really mediocre attempt at a redux.
Rei isn't some saviour of 2WRW or however you want to call it - he's a parasite that probably cowed other devs into submission
You fucking 4chan users are so pathetic that I sometimes feel pity for you.
Rei did no work on his tags during his tenure at TNO.
Do you seriously think that Omsk is his and only his effort? Even without him, Omsk would release - and probably in a better state. I only feel pity for the developers that Rei has removed, and months of work lost at some really mediocre attempt at a redux.
Rei isn't some savior of 2WRW or however you want to call it - he's a parasite that probably cowed other devs into submission
can you fags stop yapping about rei or 2wrw infight, this thread isnt even about it
>>2102640Whether you like it or not, this is absolutely true! Very glad people are pointing it out
>>2102630He just seems completely obsessed with Rei more than any other 2wrw dev. It is probably just some retarded personal reason tho
>>2102640Hi, as a member of the 2WRW/TNO:R Dev Team (Proof attached in the picture), kindly fuck off.
I can see the chats regarding Omsk development, and I can literally tell you right now that without Rei Omsk wouldnt be out for another 2 years. Rei actually made proper working design documents, because guess what? There was no code done at all before he took over. There were mockups like all of your little Skeleton Content mockups, that was it, nothing more.
So stop trying to make Rei look like some uber Nazi, that just makes it easily provable that you actually are Kateryna, or atleast someone else on the TNO Team that has a hateboner against Rei.
>>2102634https://files.catbox.moe/6fz2g6.pdf
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>>2102673Isn't this just Hitachi rebranded
>>2102673thanks, also do you have any more files about germany rework?
>>2102580yeah maybe in 1930. Goebbels became one of the most fanatical worshippers of Hitler's methods once they came to power. Most of the collectivist policies that Goebbles would have wanted were already being implemented by the Reich OTL
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So what fucking is it now? Was there a coup by evil tno infiltrators around gohper clique or was there no coup?
Since you niggers in this thread have made damn sure to excuse everything 2wrw does by it being rocked by a coup orchestrated by mango's followers
>>2102689Its in public retard, ofcourse they wont say there was a coup.
Thats like TNO Devs going "Haha We fucking hate TNO and are trying to kill it" in gen chat
>>2102677>Isn't this just Hitachi rebrandedYeah it 100% is, who could guess TNO lead devs have no creativity and just copy the work of the devs they purged
>>2102696>purgedDidn't OPAsian just retire on his own?
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>>2102692Do you see how nothing they ever say makes sense when put together? There was no coup, but also previous developers were doing shit behind the scenes to damage the mod and odf it.
There was a disagreement on the map, but it was mostly burnout and people walked away on their own. But also they somehow tried to do hostile integration?
It just doesn't fit.
>>2102688Thought the lore was germany had become totally dominated by industrialists.
>>2102615>>2102649As far as I can tell based on this thread and the last one the tl;dr is: he made the skeleton content for Sweden and Finland.
At some point, this content was removed, allegedly over not wanting to remove a war based on earlier leaks (
>>2096414 ) , with Kateryna getting to make the replacement content for TNO.
The dev then went over to work on 2WRW nearly a year and a half ago. At some point, they end up working on 2WRW's Omsk tag, which was in dev hell for years.
For whatever reason, Kateryna has been upset about this ever since. And it bears mentioning: they have never spoken or interacted in any way, and their work was never affected by 2WRW either since it's a smaller, separate and unofficial mod.
Fast forward a year, Omsk releases, and the former TNO dev makes a shitpost joke about their work being cut, aimed at the Germany lead:
>>2096188This prompts (presumably) this person that has never been mentioned here before to getting a maelstrom of mentions and personal attacks.
The dev in question likely has no idea any of this is happening or simply doesn't care about a low traffic thread on 4chan.
Then today they announce that they're taking a break from all development and thanked the community for their support while the tag was in dev hell for over 3 years:
>>2102118This public post then leaks with instant attempts to try and create drama over someone thanking the community before leaving.
And now there's more seething, for whatever reason.
So, in short: it's (possibly) a TNO dev being angry over something related to a cut skeleton by a former dev they never talked to that has nothing to do with TNO any more and has, as of today, seemingly bowed out from the community altogether for now, making all of this completely pointless and having absolutely no bearing on TNO itself.
No, it doesn't make any sense to me either and it certainly wasn't worth hundreds of posts in this thread and I wish this person would just move on with their life.
>>2102689>>2102709We already know what happened. They had a major internal split over the Antarctica map with their old lead tried to force them to use it, but instead ended up walking off to make his own version of 2WRW that uses the Antarctica map because he was shut down.
>>2102721Yap yap yap yap yap
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>>2102727No one tried to force anyone to do anything, per Five himself.
Also no you stupid dutch nigger faggot, I'm not some random fuck that would be concerned about your mod, I'm doing it because I know your retarded "Requiem" will collapse in-on itself as you are a shit lead that never released anything
>>2102732>Makes a mod exclusively about reading long-winded events>Can't be bothered to read a post that's well under HOI4's character limit for events
What the fuck are you retards yelling about. Keep your shitty discord drama on discord.
>>2102733Fuck off Five. We all know your devnigger games. We have experience with the Kateryna affair after all.
>>2102733See:
>>2095684Yes, they tried to force it and we know it through their leaked devcord messages. The image you posted says it as well: "People did stuff without authorization."
And now the team has split because of the stupid Antarctica map, as proven by the old lead making his own mod.
TFR lead dev here, I just want to say Heil Hitler, we are a Nazi mod, and we will be spamming the tno discord into the ground.
>we are a Nazi mod
what a fucking surprise
>>2102746Fuck off, TFRetard, nobody cares about your shitty buggy mod. TNO Supremacy.
>Kateryna went back to namefagging as members of other teams again
Jesus fucking Christ when will this madness end?
Get it through your thick retarded boer skull that there can be more than one person seeing shit you type, Five. Also how much of a pathetic fag do you have to be to unironically respond to 4chan posts from randos on your main public channel? Get a grip
>>2102749this is why im glad TFR failed, not because it's a nazi larp mod, i dont care if you're a nazi, but it's forced as fuck. so cringe and gay
>>2102749>NSMHope they manage to get the rework ready for 1.1, they're easily the shittiest tag in the mod atm. If you wanna go far right and fight in the 2ACW just play Patriot Front or AWD.
>>2102751It's actually Five crashing out
>>2102751I'm not Kateryna i dont care about tno fuck off
Someone from the TNO discord just spammed CSAM in the TFR dev question chat. got a explanation?
>>2102754They're being completely overhauled but we don't really know what it will look like yet
>>2102759TNOtroons are pedophiles, who could've guessed?
>>2102762TFRetard fired their best devs (Czar and Friends) who were completely reworking nsm from the ground up and made insane progress. now you aren't getting that.
>>2102764Sad, I knew the nutfr triumvirate would fuck it up.
Czar just bought out TNO, what do we think?
>>2102768Can't be worse than Mango...?
>>2102768BASED. FUCKING BASED. HEIL CZAR
>>2102770Czar wasn't that bad of a lead dev he was just autistic and loved larping. He'd probably add a trans genocide path just to piss off panzer
CZAR JUST BOUGHT PARADOX FUCKING INTERACTIVE
>>2102762There better be a path where Burt gets /fit/ and becomes Ubermensch.
This really has been the most low-quality thread in /tno/ history. Possibly /vst/ history, even.
>>2102781Because tfretards shat it up
>>2102781Because 2wrwtrannies shat it up
I have decided to drop a kalibr on the head of every TNO janny. I will also personally send another sponsorship package to TFR developer team.
All the memes the tno devs are sending are nearly a decade old at this point, weird.
>>2102791They date back to just around the time when they entered their Discord echochamber.
>>2102794>Knightess cliquePanzer doesn't give a shit and has tacitly endorsed nu-TNO, likely by virtue of just not caring. Rename it to "Panzerite Holdouts" or "NPPF Remnants". Or if you want to be funny/ironic: Kiwi Farmers, because they're unironically somehow the last standard bearers of TNO with Atlantropa.
>ReactionariesCompletely purged from the team, Discord and Reddit. Popular among casuals and DSRF.
>ModeratesAccurate, they just don't care any more.
>ReformistsAccurate, but has less support among casuals than at the time, and even Reddit is starting to dislike them.
>WeldistsHe's pretty much just an extension of the reformists to be honest. You should replace it with a group and call it "ultrarealists" or something like that, the kind of people that would make Russia unplayable in the name of a realistic economic simulator and whatever else would make a regular reformist raise their eyebrows.
>>2102799Weldists are supposed to be more radical Ewattaites, people who want to turn the mod into nothing ever happens. Reformists in comparison want to overhaul the mod along realist lines but still keep it dynamic and sorta interesting.
Weldists dominate the US, Pakt, Africa and Latam teams while Reformists still hold out in Italy and maybe Asia.
>>2102786....did nothing wrong!
Am I the only one who feels the TV tropes page for 2wrw is neglected these days? Last time i checked it didn't even say omsk was released
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Hey Five! Shouldn't you be spending time trying to larp as some sort of a savior of tno through a dogshit redux instead of reading 4chan? It would do you better, see you on Announcement Day you dutch fuck
>>2102794Where did this one come from?
>>2102807This is pathetic, anon.
>>2102807>Sits on an alt in their community Discord>Ctrl-Fs for comments by leads every minute>Notices that their spergout got called insane after having a meltdown in an off-hand comment>"HAHAHA I'M THE MASTER TROLL!"This is just absolutely embarrassing. I've never seen someone be as much of a total no-life as you and this is a board for strategy games. What the fuck are you even doing with your life?
>>2102819>Coming in V&J>At least half have already been around since Panzer-era TNO>I probably just don't recognize the other half
>>2102823The descriptions are new, updated to the new, more accurate german lore
>>2102825No one reads those and your new lore sucks. Now fuck off and get back to reworking your tag from scratch for the seventh time.
>>2102807>Literally reposted minutes laterNo way this fucking TNO dev is searching for new posts by the lead nonstop, what a butthurt bitch.
>>2102820>sees blatant trolling>recognizes that is blatant trolling>chooses to engage regardlessfor what purpose
>>2102840I'll call the retard a retard and you can't stop me.
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>>2102807>>2101925Not very helpful but at least from their timestamps we know kat is in europe
>>2102843No shit sherlock Kat is swedish
>>2102844Half the people who say they are from europe online are either in america or thailand
>>2102831This just seems arbitrarily decided to fuck with Latam team by forcing them to remove pakt Colombia but to keep pakt member pakistan (the pakistan guy is a brown-noser)
>>2102848Pakt Observers don't abide by that rule
>>2102843This has been known for ages, anon. He's a notorious troll in these threads and has outed himself several times by posting screenshots. Not really the person you want as the face of your mod's moderation.
>>2102848Makes sense, they never liked Colombia dev.
>be pakistan
>Join alliance for protection from india
>get suspended when india invades
>>2102843>>2102831Same time zone whenever we get toozers or posts explaining the genius of the devs, just in case you're wondering who's making all these pro-dev posts.
>>2102864since when is posting toozers "pro-dev"?
>>2102867Just a pattern in the thread and pretty much exclusive to this thread.
>Toozer posted>An anon that always has the same cadence explains to the stupid anons why the dev lore makes senseIncidentally at a time where this same terminally online janny is trying to shit up the thread.
>>2102874that doesn't mean the anon who initially posted the toozer is to blame
>>2102819The Council of the Einheitspakt must totally be a place full of discussion and equal respect.
>>2102876No but the person posting the screenshot that just happens to be in the same time zone as their local janny is.
Honestly we should just make one thread for The New Tranny Order, and one for the actual good mods (2WRW and Kiwifarms)
>>2102897>actual good mods>shitty redux mod that has barely anything new other than "woah focus trees!">just a plain copy of old tno with little change to it, nothing new. any skid could do itbeing this obsessed with nutno is dangerous.
stop mocking me i tried asking chagpt to write 2wrw for me and it didnt work help me please 4chan
TNO won
The Fire Crashes lost
EAW lost
Red Dusk lost
Kaiserreich lost
Kaiserredux lost
Vanilla lost
>>2102905Use claude, way better than gpt when it comes to writing
no silly prompt limits also
>>2102909I'm just gonna be honest i suck at devwork lol i think im just gonna abanon 2wrw. main tno is doing way better anyway and has actual content
>>2102911Sad to know, dude. I liked your plans for Suriname
You bit more than you could chew methinks
>>2102911Yes you do, and you are right about TNO, it's much better than the shit slop you are trying to produce. You should kill yourself. Even The Fire Crashes isn't that bad as your dogshit.
Once again, stream your suicide.
>Kateryna has gone back to namefagging
The level of asshurt on this guy is something else.
>>2102913Thanks, are you by any chance on HRT? Need a partner.
>>2102915Kateryna Derangement Syndrome on full display here. Why are you so fucking obsessed with this random retarded tno dev?
I work professionally as a PM/Producer at a significantly sized Video Game studio.
Sometimes I think about applying for the TNO team and trying to do some basic clean up of the absolute shit show their project has been for the past few years.
Should I do it? Would they even adhere to basic PM philosophies if I tried to apply them? Is the project just a bunch of teenagers who have zero idea about design discipline? Do they even have a basic, structured content pipeline?
>>2102916Kat is a gigahon so prob not for you unless your into that kind of thing
>>2102918You realize that no one in the world actually falls for your namefagging, right?
>>2102919why piss shit in a clear crisp ocean
>>2102919>Should I do it?no
>Would they even adhere to basic PM philosophies if I tried to apply them?They routinely miss any schedule ever set in the past 3 years
>Is the project just a bunch of teenagers who have zero idea about design discipline?The only teenagers there exist to be groomed, rest are early to late 20s. They will generally follow orders from leads to the letter but the leads themselves are unable to make any set plan.
Do they even have a basic, structured content pipeline?
Not since 2023
god please slide this thread off. this is miserable. maybe retire /tno/ at this point, this is depressing. nothing but pain will come out of tno
>>2102922Because it bothers me personally that the team is making really basic mistakes over and over again that are easily avoidable and it seems like the team doesn't have a voice(s) to help steer them to make better choices from a high level.
>>2102924Grim but not as bad as I thought, I'll apply if they open applications for it. I could even setup an entire JIRA database in a day and start triaging out work/bugs lmao.
Czar should seize tno so it can actually be a good mod like tfr under his thumb
>>2102925This really has been the most pathetic threat in the board's history.
if 4chuds hate tno than they are clearly doing something right
>>2102925Do not fucking retire it, if you do all your tranny devs will permanently be in the main thread
>>2102942The tranny-janny raided that thread too though. They really are going nuts. But you're right the fact that this thread absorbed several hundred of his posts make it worthwhile as a containment thread still.
>>2102946>They really are going nutsWhat caused them to snap?
>>2102926TNO Main is a lost cause, its probably better to just help out 2WRW which seems to be much more flexible from a design and content perspective as a whole.
That and their design lead just left the community server so you'd possibly have an actual opening to help them out
>>2102947One of the devs they hatefag over released content thats actually liked.
Thats it basically
What's with the guy trying to astroturf 2WRW BAD?
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>3 more pages of this shit
>>2102947>>21029552WRW updating and the janny hating some of the devs on the team. It really does just seem like petty, moronic and forced drama over nothing. They don't even know each other so it's just someone screaming into the void.
>>2102951He posted in gen chat and said that he was wrapping up Omsk and would take a very long break after that. So at least it seemed very amicable.
>>2102960Oh yeah 100% it was amicable, I'm more saying if that Project Manager or whatever wants to actually try save TNO he will have a better chance at doing it with 2WRW than with TNO Main
>>2102963I doubt TNO can be saved or is worth saving at this point.
how is this shitposting nigger not banned yet
