Thread 2100008

How come the best game in the series came out 23 years ago?

Sell me on it. Does it have a better AI or features?

much like every other development studio with any level of notoriety, the only people left are those who just clock in and do the bare minimum for their paycheck

>>2100016
crazy how their bare minimums are still better strategy titles than any paracocks garbage

>>2100008 (OP)
Warhammer 3 is like 3 years old thougheverbeit.

>>2100022
eh, honestly they are both garbage

>>2100022
>totalslop
>strategy
fucking LMAO

>>2100038
Where is this from? I skimmed over manual but never saw this exact part.

>>2100171
https://www.mediafire.com/file/ptw2cas9aw0z4ps/Medieval_TW_-_Total_Unit_Guide.pdf/file

>>2100022
retard

>>2100012
>2d strategy map is easier for campaign ai
>can dismount cavalry
>characters age correctly, not like in Med 2
>archer on hill gain range bonus
>Jeff van Dyck ost

>>2100012
it's peak contrarianism

>>2100186
>>2d strategy map is easier for campaign ai
you're telling me later TWs have a 3d map huh?

>>2100235
I am retarded yes.
What I meant was risk-like map clearly, please don't beat me.

>>2100008 (OP)
i want to track down every medieval 1/shogun 1 faggot shitposter and shit down your throats

>>2100286
>t. fat zoom zoom with noodle arms

>>2100293
did you take your arthritis meds today, grandpa?

>>2100306
why you even shitpost like that?
did you ever played Shogun or Med 1?

>>2100315
of course not, i was born after 1980

>>2100319
lol, just lol if you didn’t play mtw1 and shogun1 as a child

>>2100319
so do I
I guess you were just born in some shithole that didn't have higher tech till 2020

>>2100012
>decent campaign and battle AI
>some of the largest battles in the series, with 5-digit forces on both sides not unusual late in campaign (or when Mongols appear)
>nicely balanced province development - you're encouraged to specialise because building up your lands takes so long, not because of any hard limits
>terrain, stamina and weather matter a lot in battle

>>2100319
I was born in 86 and played those games when they were new. I didn't get really into them at the time though because I was addicted to Diablo 2's multiplayer. Just say that you were born after 1990 instead.

>>2100012
Campaign and battlefield AI is incredibly basic in the later games. You can tell Creative Assembly actually put effort into developing the AI of the first Shogun/Medieval. Units stay together and act as a cohesive army, and behave much like a human would. I don't remember ever successfully abusing or cheesing the AI. The more basic nature of the combat and campaign also means less weird shit happening (although that's also due to the sheer lack of care in the later games). In campaign there's no random tiny armies, mono-type armies (unless they're countering your own mono-type army), armies moving weirdly or aimlessly etc. In battle you don't get bugs from attack animations, finishing moves, stagger stun lock etc.

>>2100817
>In campaign there's no mono-type armies
They still can happen if AI have no access to different recruitment options
In shogun you can meet only yari or archer armies but its usually only happen early
In med 1 AI have bad tendency to spam peasants and balistass for some reason
In general the nature of Risk style map make AI field more balanced armies and it behave better.
Battlefield AI is much better too
The visuals are also clean and there is zero visual noise.

>>2101237
>In med 1 AI have bad tendency to spam peasants
i straight up modded peasants out because i read that it was advised on some med1 forum post, does wonders

>>2101248
yeah
in general Med 1 AI can't really handle the 3 eras and outdated units but honestly no TW AI can do this(unless it straight cheat like shogun 2 ai tended to do)
I blame the tiered and branching recruitment, its especially visible for me in rome 1(I think I played this game the most) but its present in most tw games

Whats the "default" faction in Med?
What the opposite of that default?
And whats the inbetween?
I am assuming something "Catholic faction-Arab faction-Byzantines/Rus"?

>>2100008 (OP)
>Best game in the series
>Medieval 1
Nigga, of the pre-3D ones, Shogun is the undisputed King, of the pre-Steam ones there is Rome 1, and from post-Steam there is Shogun 2.
Here is the pity (You) you're farming for

>>2101358
Default is either French or Germs. Fairly standard units, doing fairly standard shit across fairly standard realm.
Everyone else runs on gimmicks (even if their gimmick is "we're kind of shit", like Slav factions) and thus isn't default

>2101865
>tranimefag's opinion is wrong
>doesn't even have any arguments
what a surprise. No (You) for you.

>>2100022
>crazy how vomit is better than diarrhea

>>2102080
>Too big pussy to reply directly
Re-read the post, and you will find the arguments.
You can read, now?

>>2102144
kill yourself tranimefag medieval and rome and better than your shogunslop

>>2102080
>>2102156
Don't defile the comfy 2d og tw thread with your bad vibes. Shogun is cool too, it started the whole series and doesn't suffer a lot of the weird balancing and thematic issues that mtw introduced to the series. It's very simple and just works. The only problem is that it's not on the updated mtw engine and you don't have the pre-battle screen where you can save and change your army composition instead of it being randomly decided by the game when you bring more than 16 units. I know about samurai warlords but it seems unfinished and I stopped playing because the maps had weird texture issues.

>>2102321 (me)
and by thematic issues i mean that in MTW it's that you're supposed to be doing a world conquest in medieval europe which makes no sense. i know this is definitely an autistic complaint but in the shogun period everybody was actually fighting and killing eachother and trying to conquer all of japan. but it makes no sense for england or the hre to conquer all of europe in the middle ages. it requires you to suspend disbelief immediately which you dont need to do with shogun. which is why i like viking invasion more but it doesnt have guns :/ which sucks. i was trying to look at other mtw mods that are set in a period with guns like pike & musket and ntw but they also seemed unfinished or were broken and didnt work respectively. a shame

>2102144
nope still not giving a (You) attentionwhoring tranimefag

>>2102326
Yeah. Pike and Musket is bloat mod and quite broken. Sadly.
Shogun is just simple wargame setup in best setting for wargame. Manual(Way of teh Daimyo) was really great, map is quite good looking compared to Medieval 1 and there are even videos with agent actions. Med 1 is more like cheaply made standalone expansion. I liked it but it introduced some new problems and in general was lower quality than Shogun.

>>2103092
>going Christian as Mori, the clan with a warrior monk bonus
why tho

>>2102328
>Still mad over being owned by a smug anime girl with dubs

>>2103556
>He doesn't know
Nta, but the warrior monk bonuses are broken in OG Shogun. So Mori effectively have no bonus of any kind.

>>2103640
>This post is extremely low quality

>>2102326
There is the glorious achievements wincon too.

>>2101248
>>2101256
it isn't that the ai can't handle them, it's that peasants are the best cost/numbers ratio in the game barring regional/faction exclusive units which are at best even. That matters a ton due to the catchup faction revive mechanism, if you actually want to do a full 100% europe conquest you need like a full 900 peasants + assassin in every region or you have to really game the system by leaving enemies alive in one province and then taking them all down at once.

That said, I've done a lot of Blind King's mod which makes peasants require a building and the ai does still do simple armies, although it's not a big issue. The biggest difference is that I've seen is that the armies are smaller because they aren't spamming 100 size units, so it takes longer to hit 960, so the ai tends to have a lot more space to recruit as they get new buildings and more variety because of it. Although, in general the ai definitely has a problem overvaluing siege engines and guns.

>>2101237
They spam balistas because they're the first siege engine available. If you start in later eras you'll still see the same issue, just focused on demi-culverins or whatever other big gun they can get right away.

>>2103642
wasn't their bonus was just being cheaper?
>>2103556
early muskets and extra income

>>2104393
>I've done a lot of Blind King's mod
is this the BKB mod i hear about?

>>2104796
Yeah. BKB for Blind King of Bohemia, the creator. It's probably the best "vanilla" mod experience for m1. Basically just divides up some provinces to create more, adds some factions to fit into those places/replace rebels, adds a few new units, and adds a fair amount of new buildings. If you don't want a full overhaul, but have already put in a few hundred hours and want something new, I think it's one of the better options.

>>2107205
too bloated

>>2100008 (OP)
It didn’t you’re just suffering from delusions.