Thread 2108622

Is after the end worth playing? If so which version? Also CK2 thread

>>2108622 (OP) (checked)
AtE is mostly good in concept but it started to get some major problems near the end of its development lifetime due to a tranny dev adding traits for modern mental disorders and a muslim dev making some cringe-oc donutsteal self-insert who basically takes over California by event.
I recommend using the deposed submod made by one of the anons here. It reverses most of the cringe:
https://github.com/DeposedAnon/After-the-End-Deposed

>>2108622 (OP)
>If so which version?
Fan Fork if you're a wokescold. Deposed if you're a chud.

>>2108656
>>2108637
Okay so there's deposed, fan fork and the anniversary edition? (excluding the asian/european ones)

>>2108668
i think anniversary edition is the latest version of the fan fork

>>2108668
Well deposed is a submod of the fan fork

anyone know the current state of the CK3 mod? I know the muslim dev fell out of favor so his OC has a tiny rump state with no events, so that's good at least

>>2108622 (OP)
CoomerKings for cumskinned jizzbrains

I'm trying after the end but honestly I expected more unique events and mechanics

>>2108622 (OP)
I played a lot of it back in the day. Got kind of burned out, but it's understandable, after so many hours. I would return to it if they updated WTWSMS mod tho.

>>2110369
some regions have more new stuff going on than others. also some of the new stuff is straight up garbage, like aforementioned muslim in socal

>>2110963
https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/threads/wtwsms-2025-interim-release.1853928/

>>2114629
Yeah, seen it, Nice.

>>2108622 (OP)
answer: yes, it's worth playing. use the latest version on the forum (second to last page on the thread for After the End Fan Fork) with the deposed submod here: https://github.com/DeposedAnon/After-the-End-Deposed
i like to use it with the Better Looking Garbs mod with the AtE compatibility patch, as well as my own personal set of fixes for graphics issues with some americanist portraits and some units

>>2108637
Adding Islam would be fine if they at least did something interesting with it. Some new post-Event movement emerging or adding Nation of Islam, since that's an actual large Islamic group specific to America, which does have believes that would fit the setting. But they instead added generic non-denominational Islam, Twelver Shia and a group based on Shriners who are just Masons who dress up as Egyptians, not actual muslims. Which is overall still more than Jews who's believes were apparently totally unaffected by the apocalypse.

>>2118330
progressing

>>2120000
how's Barron doing?

>>2114629
Are Christian council events and dynamic rise of Muhammad in the mod? Or was that never finished?

>>2120310
he likes "cuddling" with men, which seems about right

>>2120380
it has a game rule for dynamic islam but says it's in beta

>>2120695
continuing

>>2108622 (OP)
Interesting characters in the Charlemagne and Old Gods starting date?

>>2126735
Many, you can't throw a stone without hitting some obscure ancient dynasty. Last heir of Frisia, Folcwalding count surrounded by the Franks and Persian Hephalite count in India (Hunas dynasty) come to mind
https://ck2.paradoxwikis.com/Interesting_characters_guide

bros do you have any ideas on submods for hip to play with
>>2121274
marry ur daughter to the black king

>>2108622 (OP)
>If so which version?
Crusader Finns

>>2127961
kino

>>2128519
kek

So how are your campaigns going?
I am currently conquering india as a gay retard

>>2135378
I really need to get back to Chud campaign, have had little time to play in months

>>2135443
go south for those huge khazar milkers

>>2135443
I always forget how the custom empire acquisition works with nomads. You could become the empire of Chud.

>>2108622 (OP)
There's alot of fag and feminist crap i don't like existing in AtE. I removed the addition of the bisexual trait though via its events.
>>2108622 (OP)
Does it remove the feminist nonsense in Canada?

>>2135378
Just finished (part 1)

>>2141902
a (part 2)

>>2141908
DoD (part 3)

>>2108622 (OP)
in taberna quando sumus
non curamus quid sit humus

>>2135443
AN ETHNIC SLUR

>>2141653
Slavs, balts and finno-ugric peoples are tribal in most start dates

>>2108622 (OP)
does anyone know the requirements to settle as feudal in ck2+? I made a custom nestorian nomad so I could conquer transoxiana and make a nice christian kingdom in central asia, I conquered the land but my only option is to settle as tribal. I personally own all the holdings
is it a minimum tech requirement? I started iron century so its like 950ish and tech is minimal

>>2145268
I looked through the decision files and I guess they removed settle as feudal directly, you have to settle as tribal and then "reform" to feudal by spending tons of prestige to increase tribe authority since you already meet the other requirements by settling in a feudal county
you also lose the manpower > event troop conversion so you have to conquer the land and hold it long enough for the negative modifiers to go away so you start with troops

>>2141902
>>2141908
>>2141911
How do you manage to get Civil Wars to be this devastating dragon-wise? Is it a matter of RNG?

I tried to form Switzerland but became emperor instead
This was the first time I started as a count and ended up emperor

>>2145815
is this part of your master plan or were you elected out of nowhere?

>>2145795
I use the Dragon's Peace mod. The dragon re-work portion of the mod increases dragon injuries and death during duels and ensures that the dragon duel loser's rider is guaranteed to die or be crippled if their dragon dies. https://agotcitadel.boards.net/thread/4597/agot-dragons-peace-3-2025

>>2145815
Now do the right thing and destroy the >HRE

>>2146015
I paid no attention at the HRE succession at all
My character was diplomacymaxxing which lead to him being chancellor of three different emperors, so the other dukes thought he was a cool guy or something

>>2146015
crashing this holy roman empire, with no survivors!

hello?

>>2152289
Good morning Sir

>>2152303
hello

Still can't forget my first campaign when I found out after one of my characters died and the oldest son inherited that neither my new ruler nor any of his siblings were actual children of my previous character and thus, not actual members of the dynasty, as the real father of them all was the mom's 50 year old uncle, who was her tutor and had been fucking her from day one since she arrived in my court as a fresh 16 year old and I was immediately told she was pregnant

>>2152542
personally would have stopped the campaign right there unless I could marry a true member of the dynasty. The bloodline must remain unbroken

Play WTWSMS.

>>2153344
pls

I like HIP but my wealth being split between all children sure is ass

Typical (1)

Targaryen (2)

Shenanigans (3)

now that i upgraded my pc i prefer ck3 over ck2

>>2108622 (OP)
I'm trying to play as a Cristo Rey but the coronation event is borked and all my vassals keep getting pissed at me even though the tacopope loves me and I've wasted 400 gold
Now the questions are: did I get epic trolled by Deposed or is this a legit bug in the main AtE, and can it be fixed or should I pivot to Sagrado Corazon

>>2163940
YER MONEY OR YER LIFE
>>2164054
I would bet on ATE, they did really shit job with the final update

>cucked by a Wetermen
I'll kill them both later.
>>2163940
While some things can be fixed by mods (e.g; global gavelkind, faggotry, women becoming mayors and being eligible for immersion breaking events), other important things such as the garbage warfare system cannot be fixed without a dev redesign.

And somehow, paradox was able to make an AI so braindead that it suicides into bankruptcy and realm dissolvement very quickly and can't even use basic mechanics such as MAA stationing properly. CK3 is a mess.

>>2164140
i don't really care about the wars
there are so many blobs but it's more fun to play
i feel like there're more features than ck2 with ck3 mods at this point
also ck2's ui objectively looks worse when ur pc is good enough for ck3

>>2163940
I've done zero (0) research but CK3 looks ugly and I get the impression they haven't added much besides making your character turning into a immortal syphillitic magician the norm rather than the exception.

>>2163940
All paradox games are fucking dogshit. My fucking ck3 Matilda of Tuscany game got fucking ruined because the dogshit game said I didn't occupy my war goal and it gave me -180 ticking warscore. I literally occupied every province in my claim and then some, without the HRE army showing up. This was about 8 hours into the run after I usurped Italy. This game is fucking dogshit. this was my day off fucking ruined. a 2 billion dollar company cannot fix basic fucking bugs like not recognizing your occupation. Every paradox game sucks ass. Don't get me wrong I am not a dumbass ck2 fan who is going to complain about 'woke', all these games are fucking broken, they just churn them out and require you to spend 100 dollars for the complete game including DLCs. if /vst/ had any sense they would complain about the broken ass spaghetti code in these games instead of women mayors. This is a 2 billion dollar company that charge shundreds of dollars for a game, yet cannot even fix basic fucking issues like your occupation not counting. While third worlders make mods better than the base game for free.

One down. Jaime's sword didn't save him vs Valyrian steel.
>>2164589
>i don't really care about the wars
Then you don't care about the game. An empty sandbox where the AI crumbles all around you due to an inability to handle basic in-game systems is a hollow and pointless experience.

>>2164608
>they just churn them out and require you to spend 100 dollars for the complete game including DLCs
"buy base game on -75% sale and then pirate all dlc" chads ww@
but yeah the games are only playable with heavy modding and regular console commands/save editing because they're so fucking broken

>>2164063
surprise surprise, you're right main AtE is the culprit
I found someone on r*ddit who had the same issue and had the decency to post what he did to fix it, so I'll go the hard route and attempt to keep the holy order as well since I barely started the campaign and losing the small quirk that sets the religion apart forever would blow harder than just bricking my save

just stole the holy prepuce
epic
just epic

>>2164608
>I literally occupied every province in my claim and then some, without the HRE army showing up.
Why would they surrender if you hadn't even beaten them in battle yet?

Despite an annoying bug with the dragonkeeper title being duplicated with noculture scrubs, the Dragon Rework mod has became mandatory for me due to its regulation of the dragon population via less eggs and more lethal dragon duels. In another long 200 year save (Aegon VI), the population went out of control with 150 dragons and not much in the way of deadly Targaryen civil wars.

>>2165702
(2)

I was hoping for her to demand a trial by combat, but her grand nephew had to butt in. Luckily she had a stillborn.

Do people play multipayer still? I’ve never got a chance to play multiplayer CK2 and would like to try it out

>>2166012
I do with a friend, it desyncs once in a while but it's playable if you're patient

I tried ck3 after a long time and wow the events have so much text in them, I feel like the same event in ck2 would be 50% or 60% the size of a ck3 one

>>2166841
I wouldn't mind if it was well written or immersive but it's simply poor. For example, they frequently switch between first and third person so there's no narrative consistency. They're also anachronistic, with 12th century medieval nobility speaking like tumblrtards.

How do you get wives as an adventurer? Only way I know is rescue a fair subject.

>>2166841
Yeah i just stopped reading. I just click on the buttons after seeing the modifiers as if they're eu4 events

>>2166895
>>2167253
Also, ck2's soundtrack moggs

>>2108637
>a muslim dev making some cringe-oc donutsteal self-insert who basically takes over California by event.
An OC who is literally descended from HIM mind you. I'm pretty sure that Shia dev got kicked off the dev team for being homophobic

>>2164604
There is no magic/supernatural stuff in vanilla CK3 (but it's heavily carried by mods that do have it) but the game heavily focuses more on being the sims medieval rather than a political/history simulation, they leaned heavily into 50 billion joke events

>>2118676
>Which is overall still more than Jews who's believes were apparently totally unaffected by the apocalypse.
Those got added because the lead dev at the time was a Jewish tranny that wanted "representation"

>>2167467
ok which song packs am i supposed to disable because anything that sounds like the base game ost is heavenly but then i get 3 songs in a row where its
>shitty techno remix
>metal cover
>soft rock ballad with a womeme on the mic

the forgotten realm mod is bretty good

>>2167899
I'm pretty sure it's the only total conversion mod that still gets updates

>>2167768
just look them up, should be obvious. the techno one is called "house lords" iirc

>>2168202
If you call making new cuck events and adding static PNGs updates, then yeah sure it's getting updates.
Only a fifth of the religions don't force you to be okay with your wife sleeping with other dudes. Why must every mod team be infested with weird sex people?

>>2167899
Is that the dnd one? I thought it was shit. Everything is the same from one corner of the map to the other, same buildings, same units, it's just vanilla ck2 with a fantasy coat of paint

>>2168523
>Forgotten Realms
entirely lore accurate to be 100% horny weirdo freakshit

>>2168968
Yeah the fuckhead adventurers sure. But I'm sure a dragon is 100% cool with his consort being railed on the side. He's gonna bond over it with his buddy the centaur khan whos also getting cucked.

I'm wondering if it's worth it to resign from your liege's council and take the prestige loss in order to avoid staying in their court when their capital is in the middle of an epidemic.

>>2168523
>Why must every mod team be infested with weird sex people?
trans folx are the most dedicated coders

>>2118676
I don't mind Orientalism because it follows the same formula a lot of the new religions in the former US do where someone took a look at something relatively random in the post-apocalypse (1001 Arabian Nights, Aladdin, and Shriner aesthetics) and decided that would be their new religion. Yeah, they're silly, but so are the Occultists and Norse Larpers.
I think the twelver Shia was made for the aforementioned OC donutsteal and idk much about the generic Islam. Is that the one they use down in Suriname at game start?

>>2169786
>I think the twelver Shia was made for the aforementioned OC donutsteal
It is, but it has an interesting heresy that's basically Chinese influenced Islam, you know something that actually represents how religions changed. The deposted mod keeps this heresy around even
>Is that the one they use down in Suriname at game start?
Yes, there's also Muslim rulers around Chicago and in New York

>>2168991
This just sounds like average seduction scheme shenanigans to me

>>2126735
Off the top of my head
>Charlemagne and his brother
>King of Lombardy
>King of Asturias
>King of Sweden (who's son is Ragnar Lothbrok)
>Literally anybody in the British thunderdome
>Khan of Bulgaria
>Zunists in Afghanistan

>>2108622 (OP)
so which version of After the End should i get?
please op and friends help me out...
the versiom with the most stuff and less bugs please, idc tranny dev or not

>>2171774
Get the fan fork & the deposed submod for the fan fork
You can get the fan fork from either the steam page for it or https://github.com/9Kbits/ateff
For deposed consult >>2108637
You can use the newest snapshot for deposed that is there, and I highly recommend doing so, because the last update deposedanon did involved making the major rivers of the east navigable (and eligible to make merchant republics on), which is pretty cool imo.

>>2171774
None it's shit

>>2166012
There's tons of discord servers that do ck2 multiplayer

>>2108622 (OP)
I'm surprised anybody plays anything but HIP with SWMH, it's literally what the game should have been from the start.

>>2172753
I also use HIP trade routes + more HIP cultural names

>>2172753
Only CBT enjoyers enjoy HIP albeit

>>2172463
>>2172507
Been playing in mexico as the actual christians (christo rey) but for some reason i can click on the crown decision but it will never finish the event and give me the trait

>>2108622 (OP)
literal garbage completely surpassed by ck3

>>2172753
Any required DLC for those to work?

>>2173727
...is what a retard would say

>>2108622 (OP)
ATE Deposed has scientologists in it lol

>>2174199
Old mod used to have if, i remember this chairman shit

Current state of the Suomi Empire in the 5th year of the reign of the Boy-Emperor Paivio Tsuudit. The Emperor has had a thankfully uneventful half-decade on the throne since the death of his father, Emperor Veli II, against a Vilnian peasant revolt (the leader of whom was burnt at the stake in a vain attempt at vengeance).
Paivio's rule has been administered by a pair of less-than-competent regents who lack the talent needed to properly administrate both the royal demesne and the Emperor's vassals, though not catastrophically so. Many across the realm dream of the day Paivio reaches the age of majority, particularly due to concerns over the Latin West, which appears primed to call a crusade at some point within the coming years. The inefficiencies caused by Paivio's regents can be abided at the moment, but if the warriors of the cross strike east, the consequences of such mismanagement may become the Suomi's stumbling block.
1/6

>>2174384
Beyond the threat of crusades, the biggest catholic thorn in the side of Paivio's court remains the Teutonic Order, still standing mighty in Eastern Sweden. After the Danish loss of Iceland to the Suomi king of Norway, Hochmeister Adalbert constitutes the only real obstacle to the Emperor's supremacy over Scandinavia. Titanic as its armies appear for a Holy Order though, Paivio's generals know the Order has little means of replacing the vast majority of these men (i.e. they're mostly the remains of the event spawn troops from the Order's creation). One good war would be all that is needed to crush this crusader horde and neuter the Order as a threat. But it will be a bloody war nonetheless, and all agree it is one that should not begin until Paivio controls the realm in his own right.
2/6

>>2174391
Meanwhile, in the heretical isles of Britannia, the tide once again appears to be turning in the favor of the insular Cathar kingdoms. Crusader France, formerly all but lord of Ireland, lost its grip upon the southern two thirds of the Island, which has subsequently fractured into petty statelets led by women. In the face of this, the Cathar Kingdom of Brythonaid (Wales) has taken the opportunity to reclaim its own lost lands in Leinster, marking the first heretic advance in the Emerald isle in a century.
Secular France has had its own tribulations, losing the duchy of Wessex to a heretical revolt. While these developments have certainly killed the momentum of catholic reconquest, the Cathars may not necessarily have the strength to take advantage of this lapse, as the fractured kingdom of Sasana (England) languishes in multiple civil wars. The future of the isles appears to be once again at a crossroads.

>>2174401
Catholicism is threatened on the continent, as well. Islamic conquests in Aquitaine threaten the heart of Christendom, while the Holy Roman Empire remains under the yoke of its Latin counterpart in Constantinople. However, Holy Roman holdouts in Iberia still cling to existence, however, and the Knights of Sardinia stand defiant against the tide of Mohammedans in their Algerian realm. That said, the Islamic presence in Francia seems poised to be the target of the next catholic crusade, or so the court in Novgorod hopes.
(4/6)

>>2174410
Threatened as it is in the west, Christianity also faces Islam in the east. Here though, the followers of Christ stand triumphant. The Crusader kingdom of Egypt continues to reconsolidate after the last crusade restored its power, and the Latin Empire can count Islam's second strongest empire, that of Kanem Bornu, among his tributaries. The true nucleus of eastern christian power, however, lies in the monolithic Despotate of Trebizond. While it is currently fighting a fearsome Jihad from the Shia states that oppose it, the Despot Kallinikos appears more than ready to fight the infidels off (so long as he can stabilize his finances).

>>2174413
East of Suomi, the Mongol Empire still lies under the control of the Western Protectorate, while India and Tibet have consolidated under powerful empires of their own.
Time will tell how the next few years go for the Suomi's fortunes, which may indeed hinge upon how its enemies to the west proceed.
6/6

>>2174416
Pure kino playthrough keep us updated king

>>2174416
Kino

say what you will about CK3 After the End, the troons did add a crown that lets you say NIGGER

>>2174416
That shit looks scary, wouldn't want to border that

Do I not have a DLC because I dont get why some portraits for women look so weird in a few mods. Like, it looks straight up unnatural.

>turn "context sensitive music" on
>Our Kingdom Will Fall immediately starts playing

>>2145815
109 years later and the HRE has become the undisputed master of Europe
Britannia is also ruled by the Kaiser's brother

also Denmark got taken over by mercenaries

>>2164608
>the dogshit game said I didn't occupy my war goal and it gave me -180 ticking warscore
I bet you that one of your claims was occupied by a revolt (why else would the HRE army not show up yet?) and you were simply too retarded to notice.

I remember the first time I got done in by the ticking war score

It's how every CK2 player starts to take it seriously

>>2175439
It's actually weaker than you'd think. The Mongols crashed and burned HARD not even a generation after Genghis Khan, they only have like 21k men at the moment.
>>2174522
>>2174855
One thing I should also note is that my previous emperor, Veli II, was also a devil-worshipping follower of Chernobog, and the peasant leader who killed him did so when the man was not only on the verge of reaching the top rank in the society, but also was about to create a demonspawn via the unholy impregnation mission. So in truth that Peasant is kind of a hero, but he also killed my current character's father, so to the stake he went.

Life as a god-king is pretty comfy down in greater hungary. I even got a mail-order bride from china.
The only problem is that most of my kin on the steppe abandoned tengrism and desecrated the holy sites with depressing alacrity, so MA is permanently shit.

>>2176524
That's hilarious, I wonder if they'll convert it to the Bulgarian culture. Wonder what happened to the previous dynasty
>>2177003
What a legend, the peasant should've had a dynasty :(

>>2174416
Alright time for the next update
The young Suomi Emperor Paivio has had a rather successful reign over the past 8 years (5 since his regency ended). Suomi's borders have expanded some, its enemies have remained locked in combat with each other or otherwise been cowed, the Great Harbor of Inkeri started by Veli II has finally finished construction, and Paivio can now call himself a father to a young boy, named after his grandfather. Moreover, events in other branches of the Tsuudit family have opened the possibility for a union sought by the Suomi Emperors for at least 4 generations, linking the blood of their rulers to that of the legendary Genghis Khan.
At 21, Paivio hopefully has a long reign ahead of him, and it looks particularly bright indeed.
1/7

>>2178128
The Scandinavian front has seen a great deal of fighting over the 1330s. First, Paivio's vassal king of Sweden, Havu, attempted to take the island of Oland from the vestigial kingdom of Aquitaine, ousting it from the north in the process. Unfortunately for Havu's ambitions, the legions of the Teutonic Order were all too happy to come to the aid of their brothers in Christ, and smashed the Swedish Army, while Aquitaine's own fortunes rapidly swung in a positive direction (as will be detailed later).
While the Swedes went home in disgrace (or in a corpse cart), Emperor Paivio, having now taken control of the Suomi in his own right, decided that the time was right to finally cut the Warrior Monks in Eastern Sweden down to size. Declaring a conquest of the Aland Islands, a series of titanic clashes began between the Knights and Paivio's own Suomenusko warriors.
The Order's mighty armies ran wild over northern Sweden at first, until the Suomi armies crossed the Baltic via Aland (conquering it in the process) and landed in Uppland. Mighty battles, first beginning in Vestermanland, saw the Teutonic army crippled in the field, and Paivio saw fit to draw the slaughter out as long as possible while his secondary armies liberated Suomi territories which had fallen in their absence, ultimately leading to a decisive victory for the pagans.
Paivio's own retinues were savaged by the end of the war, nearly cut down to half their size. Losses for the Teutons, meanwhile, were far more catastrophic, with nearly 2/3rds of their veteran zealots annihilated (i.e. I killed most of their event troops). While a truce now holds between Paivio and the Knights, and they do remain a formidable force in Scandinavia, the war has undoubtedly put them onto a terminal decline.
2/7

>>2178142
In Britannia, the loss of momentum which struck the Catholic powers in the isles has only accelerated. Crusader France, once the pre-eminent catholic power in the area, has totally lost its English possessions, which have broken into a series of petty counts much like their counterparts in Ireland had at the opening of the decade. That island, meanwhile, has instead seen a wave of reconsolidation, as the ascendant Cathar Kingdom of Brythonaid (Wales) has strong-armed most of Ireland into his domain. King Aeddan II has also made gains in Britain, forcing the French out of Cornwall and vassalizing the short-lived duchy of Wessex. England, too, has stabilized, with its civil war ending in favor of the conquering queen Cwenburg. The catholic statelets of England have managed to fend off more opportunistic attacks by the heretics via coalition warfare, but time will tell how long that lasts, particularly as France seeks to place the counts and dukes under its own suzerainty.
3/7

>>2178151
Emperor Paivio's court breathed a sigh of relief when the catholic crusade ultimately was declared for Aquitaine, where Holy Roman vassal dukes had already retaken a bit of land along the southern coast. The Crusade was a resounding success, restoring most of Aquitainian King Landulf's realm which had not been taken by the Emperor, and making his title once again a de facto one.
What remains of Crusader France on the continent continues to be chipped away by French and Roman dukes, while the HRE has found itself free from Latin overlordship, and thus has reached a pinnacle of terrifying strength even surpassing that of the Suomi.
Not everything has been rosy for Catholics in the west, however, as the Knights of Sardinia found themselves soundly beaten by the Muslims in North Africa, losing their foothold there, while an attempt by the king of Sicily to take Tunis also came to naught.
4/7

>>2178158
The Christian East remains relatively stable. Egypt is locked in an embargo war with the republic of Ragusa, while the income of the Latin Empire (whom I forgot to mention before had actually converted to iconoclasty several generations ago) has finally stabilized. Trebizond has had no such financial luck, however, and while the Despotate basks in the glow of victory over the Jihadis, it now has become mired in fighting off an invasion of Oghuz by the Mongols, to the detriment of its treasury.
One interesting development is the invasion of Muslim Armenia by a mercenary band of African Pagans. While Kanem Bornu has found itself free from control by the Latin Emperor, it seems to be having trouble with this meddlesome band so far from its imperial core.
5/7

>>2178162
In the east, the Mongols have embarked upon their first major invasion in quite some time, though their armies are nowhere near the size they once had been under Genghis. Only time will tell if they can manage to pull it off this time.
To the south, the Pali Empire of India appears to be suffering from some fracturing, as several smaller states have broken out from its borders in recent years.
6/7

>>2178163
One major development for the House of Tsuudit is more of a minor one. 4 or 5 generations ago, the heir to the Mongol Empire, grandson of Genghis Khan himself, accepted a matrilineal marriage with a Suomi Princess, to the shock of the eastern world. For decades since, the Emperors of the Suomi have been attempting to integrate the Great Khan's bloodline into that of the ruling branch of the Tsuudit line. A near success was reached in the time of Paivo's grandfather, emperor Henri, yet was undone by his own lusts causing the firstborn son (and heir to the empire) to be born from his norse concubine instead of his Khan-blooded cousin-wife.
Two generations later, Paivio's cousin Olavi, a grandson of that incestuous union, has now had himself a daughter hardly a year younger than Paivio's own son Veli. The stars seem to have aligned to give Paivio this second chance to succeed where his grandfather failed. He has taken the young girl under his own tutelage to ensure that she grows up to be a fitting bride for the future Veli III.
7/7

>>2178168
Fug, I made a bit of a shitty opening sentence in that last part. Anyway, as a bonus pic, I found this hilariously-named character engaged in some plot to kill his brother.
His family crest even has some stags to include the cuck horns lmao.

>>2167469

They did boot him out, but rather than get rid of his shitty self inserts, their solution was to make a random Mormon invader that would fuck up Socal and destroy him assuming someone hadn't already, while inadvertently fucking over anyone trying to play a mormon in deseret.

>>2178346
Deposed at least changes the Mormon to be the California specific zealot christian religion (forgot the name), as originally intended. Of course Deposed also gets rid of the muslim OC entirely anyway... I actually didn't know that the invasion was added just as a way to fuck over the OC, makes sense though

>>2178908
Oh so THAT'S where that fucker comes from.
Me and a friend have been playing deposed as Jefferson and Socal respectively, and holy fuck that guy is way overtuned for the early game. 14k men at a point when even the emperor can hardly wield 6-7k just ridiculous. He needs to be pushed out to at least 50 years after game start or have his invasion dialed down to maybe 8k men. It should be just small enough that a big and prosperous Californian Kingdom should be able to fight him off, but big enough to trash a small or unlucky one. As it is, me and my friend only one by fighting him together and getting the emperor on our side.
On that note, I hope DeposedAnon is doing okay.

>>2175887
Yeah, their quality is a bit of a mess.

>>2179403
What's funny is that socal is one of the spots where the consumerist prophet can spawn too, socal just can't catch a break

This is kino

>>2108622 (OP)
agot rules

Good starts in after the end?

>>2184164
If you start as Duke of Olympia, you can land Chloe Price on the day one, then switch to her with the console or in the save loading menu, invite Maxine Caulfield, seduce her quickly and get lesbian married before the end of the month. Good enough for you?

>>2184300
Best start to invade and make them both my concubines?

>>2108622 (OP)
After the end is so outdated that it isn't. The trannyfork isn't.

trying out a slow but hard start, the only visogothic count in the area during the viking age. went on a suicide mission to save my county from being decimated by the muslims.
the holy war ended after 12k troops went to my suicide mission troops and destroyed them, saving my only county from being taken.

going very diplomatic by marrying my kids everywhere. also got the niall bloodline going through with a matrilineal marriage with one of my kids.

>>2185011
other kid is married through a favour to the daughter to my liege so he doesn't try anything funny with me. the last kid? most likely going to be a priest. The Ummayads will fall.

>>2184164
Start as any Americanist (religion) and restore America

>>2185012
Any mods you are using?

Tried going for a Sakya Trizin/Samrat Chakravartin run but I think I'm gonna have to restart in the 1200s. There's a continent spanning hugbox that completely rolled me when I tried to break it up.
I could wait to get max level walls in 80 years and fight it with my levies but at this point I think I'd run down the clock.

Fuck

>>2187088
You could use China to shatter them

>>2187098
Without cheesing it to inherit them, I don't think I'll make pace for conquering all of india since I'm staying Buddhist.
It feels kind of cheap to do, but maybe I just go bon reformation->holy wars and only convert to Buddhist at the end. It's kind of brainless though

Whats the highest Coefficiency of Inbreeding y'all have been able to accrue in your dynasty? Esfandiar III here has a strong 34.7%, gunning for Daenerys Targaryen's 37.5%
I wonder what the highest COI achievable is.

>>2188073
I LOVE LANDING FAMILY MEMBERS, FEW THINGS MAKE ME HAPPIER THAN TO WATCH MY KINSMEN PROSPER (ignore the insane half brother who has been in house arrest for 20 years because he caught his dad fucking his sister-wife and tried to kill his sister-wife so his dad used the excuse of "you are insane"(he is) to have him padded roomed.) (Also ignore the cousin who is my rival. I unbetrothed my oldest son and daughter for half a second to try out a chinese marriage, this fucking cousin used a favor to force me to marry my daughter to his son. He is currently pissed because I killed his son so my kids could properly marriage. He did this to himself, his son had a sister, they coulda married but NO, he HAD to have his lord's daughter... sad really.)

>>2108622 (OP)
No, the ai is barely functional in vanilla, it’s nothing but raping passive enemies till you get bored of it

>>2187104
I tried to get the Samrat Chakravartin while staying buddhist because my starting guy historically wanted to get rid of hindu invaders and keep his people buddhist but I ran out of time too. Buddhism is good, just not suitable for conquest.

It also didn't help that some karluk asshole was born the child of destiny and conquered almost all of northern India

Look who I found in Chicago

>>2188212
>Buddhism is good, just not suitable for conquest.
You still get to declare holy wars unlike Jains, and all Indian religions get to subjugate a king of their culture group once per lifetime
>>2188212
>It also didn't help that some karluk asshole was born the child of destiny and conquered almost all of northern India
Murder, marriage, expanding within them as a vassal, getting China to dismantle them are all ways of dealing with that

>>2188089
This reminds me to disable cadet houses next time I play HIP, painting the dynasty map and having everyone in my realm belonging to my dynasty is very important to me

>>2186258
Best start for that?

>>2188912
The duke of South Jersey makes for a chill early game, you can eat up your immediate neighbors and New York pretty easily, then go for Hudsonia and unite the north east.
Starting in Virginia means that you'll have the HCC up your ass from day one.
The count of Rushmore can also be fun, but only if you turn off horse lords, there's barely any holy sites in your area though, so if the other Americanists get eaten up your moral authority will be shit.

>>2178128
Absoluite kino
>>2178162
>One interesting development is the invasion of Muslim Armenia by a mercenary band of African Pagans.
oh mein gott its just lik-

>>2188912
Walt Disney in Florida

>>2188912
There's not many Americanists and 4 of their holy sites are in the northeast, so it's best to start there. The ruler of Connecticut and the Falcone patrician in New York both start with bloodlines, the latter can make a fuckton of money because republic. You can get elected as your head of faith if you win a campaign for it (have to be 35 or older), and can declare crusades (the AI president's first one is typically for Pennsylvania). You also get access to a warrior lodge, satanists, and Shia assassins as societies, it's a very strong religion

>chinaman and negress couple
>aryan kid

>>2108622 (OP)
had to come back after the ck3 dlc. doomed game appealing to obnoxious faggots instead of people interested in actual crusader kings

>>2189819
The Chinabux are too appealing for Paradox

>>2188912
>>2189760
Connecticut guy can inherit a weak claim on the duchy of New York from his mom

I micromanage marriages to prevent racemixing in my realm

>>2184164
Use the ruler designer on any independent feudal duke, and make them the consumerist religion, then proceed to wage jihad

>>2190141
post chin

>>2190141
chuds are such snowflakes

What are the differences between all of the After the End versions?

>post chin
>chuds are such snowflakes

>>2190274
Some of them are before the end

Has anyone tried doing aladin staying Taoist?
I sort of want to make a gold road empire of ethnic chinese people in africa making bank in mali

>>2108622 (OP)
>Is after the end worth playing?
No
Last time that mod was anywhere fun, it was 2017.
Last time that mod was playable, it was 2019.
At this point, it's just self-indulgent bloat for the sake of bloat.

I HAVE A QUESTION
I see that Crusader Kings 2 got its last patch in 2021. Knowing how Johan is the reincarnation of the Whore of Babylon, I need to know if this latest version is THE version to play? Or did they fuck something up in the patches somewhere (either through incompetence or more likely so people would move on to CK3)? Is there a version you guys rollback to to play this game? Same goes for the DLCs: Aside from the Aztecs and meme regions, are there any gamebreaking expansions to disable?

>>2191656
Horse lords should probably be disabled if you go for an achievement that requires land held by nomads, they're a pain in the ass to fight and it's an even bigger pain in the ass to keep their land.

>>2191656
The last expansion was basically a love letter to the game, and clearly the devs knew when they were making it that basically as soon as it was out of the door that CK3 was going to release.
The final version is the definitive version.

As for the expansions, there really aren't any memes. I think having the aztecs active actually improves the game, but even if you don't want it there's game rule configuration that allows them to not spawn. They're all worth having and none of the regions are all that memey. If you're paying for them then as a top priority I'd say holy fury, way of life, the reaper's due and legacy of rome are must haves. The old gods, sons of abraham, jade dragon and horse lords are next and everything else is as wanted (with rajas of india in dead last)

>>2191704
Horse lords makes the game better, and they don't tend to blob outside of the steppes unlike in CK3
If you want to meme the achievements then do you actually enjoy the game? Hard is fun

Are there still people out there who play ck2 in mp? I know the netcode kind of sucks but I just can't stand ck3.

>>2189797
classic cuckold kings model experience

I hate that AI ignores supply limit. Is there anything I can do about that?

>>2195956
I never noticed. What do you mean exactly?

>>2190789
>Has anyone tried doing aladin staying Taoist?
No it's a shit religion

>>2193709
There are tons of discord servers dedicated to ck2 multiplayer

>>2191656
Play the latest version. In the game's rule settings disable the Aztec/Sunset Invasion, secret societies (devil worshipers and heretics) and if it's not to your liking, shattered retreat, though if you don't want to play with shattered retreat then I highly recommend downloading a mod that restores the old casualty values or you'll spend an eternity pingponging armies. Reducing diplomatic range is also a good idea.

>>2195956
They don't? Only some event troops ignore supplies, I think the Mongols most notably

>>2191656
the latest version is kino. disable defensive pacts in the rules
>>2195956
>>2196336
the event invaders ignore attrition that's it (so mongols, aztecs, and the turkish conquerors)

>>2196055
In the 769 start West Francia will attack Saxony and park like 5k troops in a county where there is only 2k supply limit and just lets half his army get chunked by the supply limit instead of splitting the army

>>2196823
I don't think the AI ever split levy armies, they want to merge them and once they have they try to doomstack everything.

You guys have no interest in moving on to Crusader Kings 3?

>>2196844
I got it with the intention of porting a mod right away but I lost all interest when I noticed the boot time difference from launcher to game was like 10 seconds (CK2) to 3 minutes (CK3), it just seems so horrendously bloated in comparison

>>2196844
I tried it. Didn't like it.
>>2196540
Chinks as well.

Do you like tributaries?

>>2196823
That start is scuffed as fuck, AI Charlemagne will never form an empire title or get crowned, his AI relies on trying to form the HRE, whose formation event crowns you, except it doesn't get rid of the opinion penalty for being uncrowned

>>2195956
>I hate that AI ignores supply limit.
They don't. Only event units do, both for the AI and the player.

If I knew how to mod I'd create one that makes you invulnerable to raiding for a while if you successfully crushed a raiding party. I was nearly quitting the game after conquering nearly all of India and having to deal with incessant raiding, sometimes multiple raiders at the same time.
I don't like disabling raiders because I know it cripples pagans and tribals, but the way it works is so extremely annoying and anti-fun. And they come from very far away sometimes. I'm in India and some motherfucker from Arabia is raiding my realm, is this even historically accurate?


Bam, ck2 is now a 10/10 game.

>>2197257
I like it because Christianity just completely implodes between the saracens / Vikings seizing all the holy lands and you see all sorts of weird heresies. Then crusades unlock and it eventually bounces back, but it’s neat playing the last Christian kingdom in Wales.

>>2108622 (OP)
Geheimnisnacht is kinda buggy but I'd say worth a shot

>>2196303
you're a shit religion

>>2196303
The only good religions are conquest religions, which is boring.

>mod I loved never got updated
I can't play CK2 without it

>>2199179
update it yourself then dick

>>2199310
Not him but why would any normal person know how to do that?

>>2200054
You think modding is fucking magic or something?

>>2200077
I certainly wouldn't even know where to begin with it.

>>2199310
>>2200077

Shut up, fag.

>>2199310
I tried but there were too many files and I didn't know what to change...

>>2200310
What errors do you get when you try to load it up?

>>2200316
The game loads up but crashes when I start a game. The error.log has ~20,000 lines of errors, a large amount of them are:
[triggerimplementation.cpp:17910]: Script Assert! assert: "false && "CIsGovernmentPotentialTrigger has wrong Scope"", type: "none", location: " file: common/governments/tribal_governments.txt line: 49"

>>2200107
Retard

>>2200323
Have you tried going to tribal_governments.txt line 49?

>>2200346
Yes there isn't even a file for it

>>2200358
It's from the base game files:
>NOT = { is_government_potential = order_government }
Looks like there's a messed up tribal government with a bad trigger

>>2108622 (OP)
>start game as premade italian count
>about 15 years after game start get chess with death event
>die
>adult son inherits
>about 5 years later get chess with death event again
>die
>his toddler son inherits
>spend years doing literally nothing waiting for him to grow up
>finally he turns 15
>A YEAR LATER GET CHESS WITH DEATH EVENT AGAIN
>DIE
>ALT+F4
wasn't this shit supposed to be low chance?

>>2200667
post elo right now

Has anyone ever fixed the nomad save corruption in AGOT?

>>2200667
>chess with death event
Never seen this.

Also you should probably get better at chess.

>>2200363
>>2200323
>>2200346
vanilla scripts are notoriously poorly written, causing the error.log to be spammed with various non-fatal errors.
I've never gotten any use out of the error.log in 7 years of modding

If the game crashes while it is still loading (before the title screen) then it might be possible to troubleshoot the issue.
If the game crashes during gameplay then the mod is probably a lost cause

>>2200667
>playing with supernatural events
it's basically absurd events pt.2

>>2202544
I think supernatural events are disabled in the default settings

>>2202718
Ah, I see.

I never play with supernatural events.

>>2188212
>Buddhism is good, just not suitable for conquest.
Nah its not that bad, only thing you need is to abuse Eastern Subjugation CB and Jade Dragon CBs with great conquests.
I united the entire subcontinent in my Indo-Norse legacy run, I stayed Norse and Buddhist.
When you play longer and see large empire, its all about settling claimants and push their claim for large kingdoms.
Buddhism is one of the best religion in game and that Ashoka bloodline when you get it is the best bloodline in the game. Better than Alexander's just for the religious liberation CB so you can roleplay a sort of Buddhist crusade.

>Moral authority finally improving after 50 years of non-stop sack, conquest and heresies
Now its payback

>>2205657
And who are you, Italian crusader?

>>2205860
Yeah Im the empire of Italia on ironman, started out in Orvietto and I let the AI handle things against pagans and muslims but Charlemagne got excomunicated, one of my characters were responsible for kicking out the Karling king of Italy and 50 years of papal wars.
One of my characters managed to get Italy, steal Romagna from the Pope (it was the papal states before that), taking back half of Germany from the pagans.
While I tried hard to help the shit christian rulers, who wanted to crusade Byzantium (and failed) instead of the Umayyads.
Since that fiasco, the Catholic moral authority had been at 0 for about 40 years.
Im literally the only guy keeping this sorry state of christendom together.
Right now, Im trying to kill the Sultan of France so my vassal can inherit France, while Im going to declare a holy war on Lower Lorraine and Picardie.
I also cant get rid of the content trait from my character, and I really need that Alexander Bloodline just to clean things up on the map.

My next goals are to become HRE when I finally get that bloodline, unite west and east and form the Roman Empire then get to borders and just have fun at this point. I was thinking about leaving the Roman Empire eventually and forming Outremer with a crusader state but I doubt I'll have enough time.

>>2197348
git gud

>>2197348
Just settle an adventurer, and you wont have to deal with raiding.
Or to permanently deal with raiders, make them convert to your religion, place claimants of your religion on the raiding throne if the ruler didnt ask for mass conversion.

>>2205657
>>2206076
Havent been playing as much as I want, but finally there is a crusade for France. I hope I'll manage to get rid of content, looking up joining the Monks and stealing an atrifact will help me rid of it, then I can get the Alexander Bloodline.
Next plan is to place Catholic and independant ruler in Scandinavia, Saxony and England. Tired of that raiding, forming the Roman empire can wait and the HRE will be my thing for now.

>>2187088
I once almost did the Samrat Chakravartin run, had nearly all of India conquered starting as the Pala in bengal. I even got the fucking immortality event and succeeded. Right after that the Chinese remembered I forgot to disable their kingdom level conquest CB and proceeded to take all of bangladesh from me. I gave up right after that. Wouldn't do it again, India sucks to play in.

Remember when ck2 wasn't bloated to hell with free stats? My first real campaign was just after old gods release, I played as Songhai and eventually conquered the entire world. There was a lot of shenanigans involved, constant raiding to try to kidnap karling princesses and get kingdom claims, half of my early empire being in Russia because diplo range wasn't a thing and all pagans could marry, massive civil wars when some dumb child inherited the throne.

>>2210982
>Remember when ck2 wasn't bloated to hell with free stats?
The free stats aren't too bad, except maybe stewardship. Being able to get every single character to like 25 stewardship with a maxed education is pretty nuts

>>2210989
That reminds me about one time I was playing Egyptian Emperor with incest. Every child, male and female, got stewardship education. By the third generation, my domain limit was 17, I was holding entire Nile Delta and Lower Egypt directly.

>>2210982
>Remember when ck2 wasn't bloated to hell with free stats?
Only Steawardship and Diplo are really important. Even then, I prefer having Martial, Intrigue or Learning education rather Stewardship. From a RP standpoint, it doesnt fit in my vision of a powerful Warrior King, Priest king or a cunning one. While Diplo is a really cool when you are RPing, I tend to not abuse of it. If I have to play a duke tier title or a vassal, I make room for a Stewardship education. Its actually the best education if you wish to play tall.

What really matters are character traits, your councilors and vassals traits. Pic related had insane stats, was in a warrior lodge and enough learning to use Hermetic artifacts, yet he was killed by his ambitious children and powerful vassals who wished for an Elective succession.

>>2211001
>+4 from centralization
>+4 from emperor
>+2 from max council law
Unless you somehow were at 47 stewardship, what am I missing?
When you get up to >12 you can do some crazy stuff. Monuments/trade posts and the capital county/duchy bonus let you stack ridiculous income and troop counts from a single holding.
It's why I like monastic feudal so much. Temples are norrmally a lot worse than castles, but when you've got an extra 550 levies in 6 holdings from great walls (and the great work also gives you an extra building slot anyway even if you're under) before multipliers you totally dominate any upstart vassals in troop count. I'm sure chinese imperial is similarly strong too.

>>2211046
+3 from steward-groomed sister wife. I think, it was long time ago.

>>2205657
>>2206076
>>2210945
This nigger, I will anti-pope his ass.
Only issue, princely elective fucks me over. Everyone like my heir but they vote a powerful vassal to be the next emperor.
I managed to put my wife on the throne of Byzantium, I only need for her to kick the bucket for one my son to inherit the empire.

>>2211060
praise azura mazda

Bene Gesserit-maxxing

>>2211179
The irish 9 hostages bloodline that always goes extinct is also pretty good if you can get it

>>2211122
Fuck crusades, I dont need the pope, for some reason I have to wait for 50 years to pass the Free Investiture law. So no Anti-Pope and I had my son ready for it, d'oh well. I still have the Reichskrone and the Iron Crown.
>>2211262
Its a cool bloodline, there are still some around but I doubt it will be useful since I intend to be a Catholic Roman Emperor so its a semi-RP playthrough, I happen to be collect bloodlines by mistake believe it or not. Three bloodlines are from my dynasty and I had the Karling one because I usurped Germany from one of them (they ceased to exist too, the last one became Muslim and he died in Jihad), the other saint one was by accident since the guy became a saint when I was trying to take duchies from his descendant and Dulo is only because I love the idea of sending my sons to be Mercs around the world and they come back as seasoned warriors or diplomats.

>>2196540
>>2191716
>>2196331
>>2191704
Cheers lads

>>2211179
>Umayyad blob in france
Man I hate vanilla.

>>2211323
Just be a better christian lmao?

>>2211300
Abbasids imploded in decadence, their empire streched from North India to Morocco. I think I'll invade North Africa, I begin to have similar borders to the Western Roman Empire. Kinda bummed out desu, I was looking foward to fight 200k worth of levies. Italian commanders are just sweeping and clutching hard battles, my own ruler by his mere presence break the morale of pagans with his saintly bloodline and Great Helm for +150% damage against other religions.
So far this Rome restoration is more fun than the Hellenic Rome I tried to do, which was very boring to do while I was a secret hellenic trying to convert everyone to pray Zeus.
The further I am playing, the further I realise that forming the Roman culture seems out of place, even in a Roman Restoration. Italians and Greeks are clear culture divide from West and East, I dont see the possibility of unifying culture in Middle Age setting. Even with the Roman Empire back in place, it so bizarre. I will still try to do the Roman culture as a Renaissance thing and for the Stoic Intelligencia but still.
>>2211323
Fighting the Muslim is the bread and butter of a Christian playthrough. I am actually glad the Umayyad blobbed hard, its really the AI that fails to do something.
The Christian kingdoms kept on fighting each other. The pope is also a wimp too, this nigger wants to launch a crusade and fails miserably to garner support (I emptied my coffers for the crusade). I had to take it back myself by killing every single Muslim members for the throne of France. For some reason, half of Christendom hates me because I assassinate Muslims.
I am fighting more heretics and revolts, rather than fighting the actual enemy.
>>2211335
Unironically.

>>2211408
ITS THE SECOND TIME THE POPE KEKS ME

>>2212019
You've gotta vassalize him dude

>>2211323
One thing I don’t miss from CK2 lmao, The Umayyad superblobs nearly every time I wanna play an older date

>need a court physician
>"my 19-learning son is surely the man for this"
>two weeks later shoves a live fish down my throat to cure a minor cold and kills me

>>2212019
Those are some ugly fucking borders you have

>>2211335
I usually play in the ERE and by he time I get done with the Abbasids the rest of Europe is already fucked. Only positive is the holy wars making it easier to finish the reconquest. Oh and the problem is the AI not being able to fight back against the muslims, retard.

>>2178168
As the year 1350 opens, Paivio's rule has now settled into quite a comfortable state. Unlike the previous decade, the 1340s were primarily concerned with internal conflict across the Suomi rather than external wars. In particular, the emperor spent much of his time waging a war with his vassal king Karle of Volga Bulgaria, who had under his liege's nose usurped the Tsuudit family's ancestral duchy of Veps. A protracted war in the Empire's eastern reaches rectified this injustice, though initially frustrated by the deadly eastern winters. For the difficulty involved, Paivio exacted further punishment upon his vassal king by taking two of Volga Bulgaria's princesses as his concubines.
This has raised some concerns that Paivio may be given to some of the excesses that have plagued the Tsuudit line, but a merciful streak of prisoner releases after both this and the follow-up war to clean up the succession of Veps has hopefully assuaged those concerns.
(1/5)

>>2219359
The winds in Britannia are now fully blowing in the direction of the Cathar heretics. Brythonaiad has nearly consolidated all of Ireland under its rule, while the resurgent Kingdom of England has begun to gain momentum and devour the petty catholic Kingdoms of Britain's southern reaches. It would seem that soon enough the only remaining catholic presence in the Isles will be the narrow coastal strip held by the Kingdom of France. The French king has heavily invested himself into this redoubt, placing his capital in Kent itself. Should Cwenburg be able to force the Papists out of this last stronghold and out of their holy site, the victory of heresy on the islands may well be total.
(2/5)

>>2219382
Such a victory may be possible if the English are able to seize upon the current weakness of the French crown, riven as it is by a civil war. On the Pyrenean frontier, meanwhile, the Holy Roman Empire and Kingdom of Aquitaine struggle to hold the line against a new wave of Islamic holy war. The HRE has managed to unyoke itself from the grip of the Latin Empire (more on that later), but it still faces multiple wars and a manpower base that still has yet to recover from prior conflicts, improving the chances of the Muslims in this endeavor.
(3/5)

>>2219395
The Eastern Mediterranean has seen a great deal of activity in some parts, particularly in the north. The Latin Empire lost its grip over the HRE in the middle of the decade, and the newly-independent catholics immediately turned the tables on their former suzerains by pressing a claim upon the entire empire. The success of this war has once again brought Constantinople into Catholic hands, though a pretender is currently disputing the matter with a great host currently besieging the Hellespont area.
This does presently make the restoration of the Byzantine Empire an unlikely prospect for Despot Kallinikos of Trebizond, but he has found other avenues of expansion in the meantime. The Caliphate of Kanem Bornu ended up losing Armenia to a rebellious pagan mercenary band early in the decade, and the Iconoclasts were happy to clean up the mess. Unfortunately, the Despot still face renewed holy war both from Muslims and Hindus from the east.
(4/5)

>>2219413
Looking even further eastwards, the Chinese Western Protectorate appears to have lost much of its sway over the asian kings, and Tibet has fallen into a massive civil war. Pala still reigns over most of the subcontinent, and could use the infighting to the north as an excuse to expand that reign.
(5/5)

>>2219413
>Trebizond
What the fuck
What did you do

>>2219429
They ended up being one of two major Orthodox(technically Iconoclast) successor states of Byzantium after the 4th Crusade destroyed the empire. The other state was the short-lived empire of Abkhazia which promptly disintegrated and was destroyed by Muslims. Trebizond inherited the vast majority of the empire and have been pretty solid ever since.

>>2219359
looking positively demolished at 31, damn

>>2219781
The man's been getting drained by his wife for 15 years and his Shimaidon concubines for the last 7 or 8 or so, it's a miracle he hasn't died of dehydration. Plus he's been Emperor since he was 8, that'll age a man.
Hopefully Prince Veli will turn out to be more photogenic though.