Thread 2110481

We're reached levels of dead mod that shouldn't even be possible.

https://files.catbox.moe/80z6tb.png - Bormann TNO2 flowchart (never releasing).
https://files.catbox.moe/j8tp21.pdf - December roundtable notes. Germany never.
https://files.catbox.moe/c5pdqt.png - Japan rework. OTL PMs only, please.
https://files.catbox.moe/xlhrjj.pdf - Sweden proposal. Dev still lurking, will respond to all bait.
https://files.catbox.moe/ycctp0.png - Sweden flowchart. We lost Pakt Sweden for this OTL-fest.
https://files.catbox.moe/uq883w.pdf - Brazil-Argentina war design doc with mandatory non-canon nukes.
https://files.catbox.moe/m4x325.png - Fash Brazil content you'll never get to play.
https://files.catbox.moe/l70qhw.pdf - Burgundian Eulogy: Burgundy 2 was real but got scrapped like everything else.
https://files.catbox.moe/zff5y4.pdf - Serov "facelift" document. The first leg in the now confirmed Komi rework.
https://files.catbox.moe/ymgaur.pdf - Amur rework doc. Over two years in dev hell, still no release date.
https://files.catbox.moe/48jovf.png - Kingdom of Montenegro flowchart.
https://files.catbox.moe/xfzdpv.png - Croatia flowchart #1.
https://files.catbox.moe/n2227q.png - Croatia flowchart #2.
https://files.catbox.moe/8oi80v.png - Old Bulgaria. You were robbed of Bulgaroslavia, anon.
https://files.catbox.moe/2ru4q1.png - Thailand flowchart.
https://files.catbox.moe/iwmxg6.pdf - Manchuria doc #1.
https://files.catbox.moe/cgaqrz.pdf - Manchuria doc #2.
https://files.catbox.moe/y2hc34.pdf - Manchuria doc #3.
https://files.catbox.moe/96kjev.pdf - Manchuria doc #5.
https://files.catbox.moe/vdpi8k.pdf - Red Italy proposal.
https://files.catbox.moe/3n9lq9.pdf - New Granada walltext.
https://files.catbox.moe/r86sw7.pdf - 200p walltext about Colombian soccer mechanics.
https://files.catbox.moe/4w4k3k.png - Turkestan Legion rework flowchart.

https://files.catbox.moe/cdag1w.pdf - Vote Pig, the US rework proposal. Read all about this hot new TCT mod.
https://files.catbox.moe/izg02l.png - 6th (?) space race mech rework mockup.
https://files.catbox.moe/2ln5tz.png - New Congressional mechanic leak.
https://files.catbox.moe/3ynutc.png - More Americanized Denmark GUIs.
https://files.catbox.moe/iicybx.pdf - Nixon characterization doc for writers. It's what you think it'll be.
https://files.catbox.moe/9p7n8b.png - Vote Pig Nixon tree mega leak.
https://files.catbox.moe/go9tnq.png - VP Reuther tree.
https://files.catbox.moe/ez4g4c.png - VP Schlafly path. Peak evil Republican fascism let's go!
https://files.catbox.moe/joltgi.png - VP Yorty tree.
https://files.catbox.moe/m1i3hv.jpg - VP rework leak, Hiram Fong replaces Romney scrapping years of work in the process because it "didn't fit the Republican narrative".
https://files.catbox.moe/0iyr6c.jpg - RepubliKKKan GUI (yes really).
https://files.catbox.moe/71ilh5.png - Central America design. Half of Germany still has its content disabled by the way.
https://files.catbox.moe/edk50c.png - Costa Rica design chart. No, none of this will ever be playable.
https://files.catbox.moe/hi1h3m.png - China flowchart. Many happenings, out shared outcome.
https://files.catbox.moe/djf9rg.pdf - Latest Moskowien rework proposal. Years of work flushed down the toilet for less gameplay and no wars.
https://files.catbox.moe/9nqmlk.pdf - Iberian Wars rework document.
https://files.catbox.moe/0m6sx5.png - Starting map of the new Caribbean
https://files.catbox.moe/fgb3kj.png - Starting map of the new Morocco
https://files.catbox.moe/zh06f9.png - British Guiana flowchart
https://files.catbox.moe/5anjuv.png - 5 new Caribbean nations flowchart
https://files.catbox.moe/nlrpjl.pdf - British West Indies lore document
https://files.catbox.moe/s9rx4e.pdf - GGR Constitution for TNO.

>A TNO dev's comments on deleting all of Guangdong for being unrealistic go viral with over a million views, marking the likely removal of the only full content TNO released in several years.
>Having lied ceaselessly about Vote Pig and the DV integration, devs lazily deny any plans to delete Guangdong as well.
>Goebbels is revived; anon's brief excitement goes away when it's later revealed that he'll merely be a short-lived plot device before dying.
>TNO turns five, making it the only mod of its scale to have a net loss of content over such a long period of time.
>DV announcement fallout continues as a dev confirms that most African wars will be replaced with GUI mini games in the future, posts toozers for them.
>Devs all but confirm that numerous additional reworks will happen as a result of all of Africa getting deleted.
>Anons recover posts confirming that numerous TNO devs said that DV integration was impossible as it'd break all current ENG, signaling that additional reworks are to come.
>DV confirmed by devs to have no playable content in its initial release, urging players to wait several years to play the aforementioned mini games.
>Jannies go on a deletion/shilling spree as even the Reddit revolt against these plans.
>Containment breach: DV announcement Tweets goes viral and gets completely ratio'd with overwhelmingly negative feedback, similar trends in HOI4memes and all other independent communities.
>Nuclear escalation: In response to Omsk releasing, TNO announces that it'll give you an insta-lose button to have America nuke Haiti in a proxy war and make the entire world turn against them for some reason.
>Kaukasien rework leaks confirmed, all old content to be deleted and replaced with generica.
>TNO releases several more skeleton toozers for content that'll never be playable than I care to mention. Colombia looks OK at least.

>TNO Jannies suppress Free France submod teasers to cover for DV's announcement of them being removed.
>2WRW rebrands into TNO: Requiem, making the divorce permanent and official.
>TNO:R make several announcements regarding their future content: playable post-apocalypse for Omsk, SAW expansion, inclusion of the contents from the Free France submod, the Trotskyist submod and the Tsar & Soviets and more.
>Apparently some work is being done on Italy, China and America too; few details, jury's still out on these.
>TNO: Rides Again remains the only drama-free and stable mod that routinely puts out content.

>LEAKED BUILDS
Just making sure these aren't lost again.
2021: https://gitlab.com/IllyaTokar/git-days-of-europe
2022: https://gitlab.com/retardedsolutions/git-days-of-europe/
2023:
https://mega.nz/file/bBFGHZJT#a4lNsnLLzHWHG1iic5yHwgL1kK1VAE5qmT2Iqi7k2EM - Hotline Manchukuo
https://mega.nz/file/TIMmVBKC#939MhfLfR3G0UQdenlK0R5AY54x8lGlnSs42H8BzHhw - Illusions End
https://mega.nz/file/SBtSmZAD#CDYh4s4SBz3GjvBSOjOpQ4RnGgaDhnq39ehNTVFzbhs - Penelopes Web
https://mega.nz/file/CZt1CZwa#O0Yfzil-VqfJBwH_yuWvGkbDK5XF7DG5iM7rdO-rqdg - Germany Branch
https://mega.nz/file/SJ0HjDrC#jeTd9dcOuCeNpAZvrM_tFJjaSKjWLhVpSibBVqj_eWg - Shifting Tides

>TNO JANNY TERROR LEVEL: SEVERE
TNO jannies have been shitting up this and the HOI4 general. Just ignore/report all spam, namefagging and shilling.
>LEAK REQUESTS
We have requests for: The original Ukraine proposal, the old proposals/charts for Chile, Turkey and India with their civil wars, and any old pre-release Argentina proposals.

Damn, haven't been in the threads since 4chan got taken down but nice to see things have been relatively normal-ish (aka nothing ever happens to the mod itself apart from LE NEW AFRICA SKELETON)

>>2110495
We had a raid but that's about it. An anon compiled a good summary in the last thread:
>>2109520
>>2109523
Honestly we've mostly just had old leaks like Vote Pig and DV get confirmed.

The New Order: Rises Again continues with post-Göring content
>if Schoerner coups Goering after War Plan Zero, Speidel will countercoup.

>>2110503
It's funny to me how KF used to be the boogeyman of TNO but now is the only place that actively preserves and builds upon old school TNO.

Man I wish the devniggers would get back to work and not do "gambling" in public chats.

Dont they have work to do?

>>2110509
They're just contrarians like NPP. If Panzer was still in charge they would still mald about unrealistic atlantropa and burgundy

>>2110594
No they'd be complaining about Panzer's railroaded canonical ending with Zhukov and all the actual bad ideas that Panzer had. The drama from 2021-2 had little to do with Burgundy being ridiculous and more to do with the personalities of people like Panzer and Pacifica. KF also isn't just contrarian for the sake of being contrarian otherwise they'd be seething about TFR since that's the current big trend.

>>2110594
from what I remember the main complaints were the UI and the weird suicide ending for Heydrich

>>2110599
Oh yeah they absolutely hated the Heydrich ending. It's almost quaint that they were so unhappy with the UI at the time since the old UI and mechanics were almost minimalist compared to what we got in Mexico.

Reposting since last thread ended quickly
Since devs are astroturfing, let us do a recap, shall we? Reminder that the last full ten year content TNO released was Guangdong. Brazil was three and then eight years, Ukraine was at most four, Antarctica was three or so, Mexico was three and change, UK was two or three if you took a while. Without further ado:
>USA: Vote Pig, not much reason to delve on it here, expected to have around 14 years of content. Both good and bad content coexist, plan is a mixed bag for me. Nuking Haiti is wack. Late 2026 (?).
>Germany: snail’s pace towards completion, German Civil War continues without replacement, no content after Oil Crisis developed. Has been slotted and failed to meet expectations numerous times. Only Bormann and Speer. Q2 2026 at best.
>Italy: development is essentially dead. Red Italy has collapsed with recent efforts to bring it back up mostly failing, dem Italy has gone silent for over a year, fascist Italy with Pikeman is the last hope but he has been inactive for like six months and his only coder was drafted. Release highly unlikely.
>Japan: what even is there to say? Over half a dozen reworks, nothing done, boring paths, most of which are liberal democracies. Release never.
>Brazil: team has gone asleep, don’t expect a major release anytime soon. Next update is expected to include not-full content for JK and Jango. Release unknown, not 2026.
>Argentina: barely anyone working on it, paths suck. Release not in 2026.
>Canada: dead dev following several start-overs. Release never.
>Chile: active development never started. Release never.
>Antarctic Chile: next content in line, small demo without big events, plot points reserved for second demo. Q4 2025 or q1 2026.
>Argentinian, German, Italian, SS, American etc Antarctica: after Chile. Release not before q4 2026.
>France: hah, seriously? No active dev. Release never.
>(1/2)

>DV Africa rework: couldn’t say, I have not kept tabs with that submod team. It would be strange to me if it didn’t drop before 2026. AFAIK it will come by november or december, that's the internal plan at last they don't want it later than that.
>England: fourth iteration of the content following first rework, realism rework and DV rework. When it drops, it won’t be full content for collabs. Rebels will never have content. Release not before q3 2026.
>Ostland, Poland and Moscowien: don’t hold any hopes. Mosk is currently in its 11-12 iteration (5th major one). Release never.
>Anything Russia: Corn is now 8 months late for the dev diary he promised. Good job Corn. Before that drops there won’t be Amur. I would not expect it to release before 2027 t-b-h.
>China: doesn’t have a full team. Release never.
>Manchuria: Yugo is holding the ship but he doesn’t have a real team. Release in 2026 if lucky.
>Ireland: update under the works for a while now, no big news or teasers. Release unknown.
>Ukraine: team passed away in a tragic car accident. Release never.
>Turkey: third iteration so far, not with full secularization implemented removing an interesting gameplay facet. Couldn’t say release most paths only have a design doc no dev.
>Greece: deader than ever, died off after they deleted the Greco-Turkish War and gave Thrace to Bulgaria for no reason.
>Iberia: both minor content for the wars and facelift for the rest. Recently reworked over DV integration. possibly the closest to release after Chilean Antarctica. My bet for release is endtail of q1 2026.

>>2110603
>>2110605
Thanks for the recap.

Say with the Omsk side of the 2WRW mod, I saw someone on youtube succeed in ending the whole world as Omsk, but still got the 'great mistrail' ending, was that a bug or is there a way to beat the Germans harder?

I finished Requiem's Omsk campaign and here are some thoughts of the path as well as the redux as a whole.
Early, vanilla Omsk is littered with "you are le bad" events. I think that amount of these kinds of events is excessive both in vanilla and post unification content. Some of them are so fucking goofy I feel like I am playing Atomwaffen; Omsk essentially is Russian AWD but not retarded and actually organized but being reading that a tanker's manual for taking care of POWs is to strap them to the front of the tanks is more hilarious than evil. As mentioned, overload of events talking about school chemical bombings, massacres and such is excessive but I don't ever remember seeing those for something I would expect like taking over Petersburg or Paulusburg. I also got an event that USA and Japan were going to intervene in the war only for nothing to happen. Checked both tags but neither had the option to do so. Additionally, Speer went reformist and had something like 100-120 divisions while I shat out 200 divisions in the span of a year. And for being a secretive state with great amount of glownigger sleepers and such Omsk has absolutely fuck all intelligence about the armies or governments of even the shitties warlords and much less Germany leading to me stomping all over Speer. Mind I add that in my Shushkin playthrough Bormann had something like 300 divisions and that's not counting reichcommisariats. Also war with Hungary, Romania and Norway was way too easy to avoid.
Not, I think TNOR should at the very least alter the way economy works. It feels like the entire system is not designed for small and poor nations, only for economical juggernauts and Guangdong. Also something I can't explain, but fighting system, platoons and everything involving combat feels kind of wrong. This could be because I had grown used to the way TFR does combat however.
Overall 7/10 as I enjoyed it despite everything mentioned above, will probably go up in rating after the patch.

Do anyone have the germany branch screenshots?

>>2110634
Further proof that the main reason that TNO is as dead as it is is because they keep reworking things endlessly. This one (1) autist is managing to outproduce them in spades just by patching up content that they cut.

>>2110634
>we could have actually gotten Balkan content if devniggers weren't devniggers

tno devs won
2wrw is a fail
tfr is a pedophile mod

Reposting the Xitter reactions to the DV announcement.
(1/5)

(2/5)

(3/5)

(4/5)

(5/5)

This deserves a repost too. Guangdong will soon join the ranks of Burgundy.

>Demo releases were a mistake
>Splitting manpower between 15 countries at a time with only 1 person actually working on each was a mistake
>Idea guys and pol sci majors were a mistake
If god was real he would subject all these worthless devs to 10 year being micromanaged by a 60yr old boomer obsessed with project management. i want them to be able to recite agile and waterfall methodologies in their sleep

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2953029534
THEY BROUGHT HIM BACK!

>>2110599
the heydrich ending is kino. ultimate example of narrative over realism. nu-devs could never.

>>2110765
Fucking based, yo.

So does anyone have any new leaks about upcoming content? Like a complete Germany rework outline describing what’s supposed to happen.

>>2110783
Felt like a copout when he just killed himself. Wished I could've kept playing and rebuild, but nope. Enjoy your premature collapse. I'll say though, the journey there was novel and it had a lot of interesting ideas. Just didn't stick the landing.

>>2110806
The most recent leaks are the ones in the sticky and they should all still be accurate.

>>2110630
I think only Bormann was finished

>>2110833
>>2110834

So all the other paths are still unfinished even in the concept phase? That has to be a special kind of hell. Even so do we have any details as to why so many of these paths end in the collapse of the Nazi regime?

don't know if it was posted yet but recently eaw had a TNO-related drama about former to member talking about their previous experience and afterwards got harrased by qpq and mango demanding to ban and delete everything related to that
I think their partnership is gone now

>>2110833
These are the most recent? I thought Alfred Dregger will be the conservative candidate in case of democratization.

>>2110483
>>2110485
Craziest thing last thread IMO was that guy who kept pretending to be various people, as far as I could tell solely to start further drama. And of course doxxing a TNO:R dev.

>>2110844
They made half a dozen full design docs for moscowein reworks so I'd assume its just the leaker doesn't have access to those docs.

>>2110849
LOL, do you have any screenshots or remember what the former member’s username was?

>>2110844
Bormann is the most finished but no one knows how finished it is. In the December roundtable leak it says that Speer is nowhere near being done.

>>2110849
QPQ was banned and the partnership is now gone. It was quite a bad falling out.

>>2110885
Let's not encourage more harassment of former devs from Mango's goons, shall we?

>>2110908
kinda funny the furry pony mod people are the sane ones

>>2110913
And Kiwi Farms having the only completely stable, drama-free TNO fork. Life is full of surprises.

>>2110481 (OP)
Okay, this is really starting to look good now.

>>2110932
That was obligatory to do for them imho, I think that back some years ago they had already announced during Omsk's development hell that they would bring him back

>>2110932
Good. Happy to see it.

>>2110936
>Years
It was in December. They said it when they forked. They also said that they wanted to make the war less of a slog too but I guess we'll just have to wait and see on that.

>>2110932
What are they not going to bring back?

>>2110971
Atlantropa.

>>2110976
Idk they might, remember that one document about the Atlantropa Mechanic that was leaked?

>>2110990
That wasn't about bringing back Atlantropa, it was about having the dam around as a project for Iberia as a compromise between the old and new. It's not a bad idea really but it's not full Atlantropa.

TNO is a leo... respect

>TNO is a Leo
Time to convert religions, die and get reborn as anything but a Leo.

standard neovaginal response

>>2110667
>the people defending replacing fun with garbage visual novel lectures about the player being le bad

>>2111046
This one is worse in my opinions: >>2110665
>You can't call yourself a fan if you don't support removing everything in the mod
>I look forward to the interactions between skeletons
>You must've forgotten how boring the RKs were, unlike these minigames releasing in 2027
>It's refreshing to remove all instances of Nazis being genocidal in my Nazi victory mod
>I don't like TNO but this is a huge improvement (non-players as a key demographic)
>Finally, two countries without any playability might get content if they're ever made playable past 1964!

Beyond parody.

None of the updates from the roadmap ever released, right?

I think by the time TNO finally finishes one country without having it be skeleton content, HOI5 will have been out for a year and a half already.

>>2111059
come a long way huh.

I would actually tolerate VP/Yippie if it knew the setting its in. With so many proxy wars that you can fail, and with iirc 3 possible presidents being impeached, there should be some writers, generals, and political outsiders wanting the White House.

I actually liked Harrington (good idea, awful execution) and Schafly because they represent how quickly America could enter a new political era like what Reagan did after Watergate.

Why i like The Union Forever submod is how it acknowledged it and gave a chance for John Wayne, Corliss Lamont, and yeah even Dolores Huerta to seize the Presidency if the climate favors them.

>>2111087
:(

>>2111087
Someone should post this on reddit. For extraordinary amount of salt it should be on devnigger's subreddit.

>>2111087
What went so horribly wrong?

>>2111087
There was a time when this was the saddest TNO picture.

Fuck, this one's just a gut punch. I feel like I wasted my fucking life on that thing all for nothing just because some retard didn't like the setting of the mod he hijacked, what the fuck.

>>2110670
you've got to be fucking kidding me

>>2111087
Had they not started changing the lore or randomly reworking the reworks.
At least half of the top ones would be out by now.

>>2111087
>i now remember being hyped by new french state content 4 fucking years ago

>>2111243
Wasn't the Guangdong team actually people from Hong Kong or am I being retarded

>>2111440
The lead was named "OP Asian" and had a thick Asian accent on the streams. You can safely file this alongside Big Weld claiming that there are no Chinese people working on TFR. Just your typical radlib go-to smear of trying to dismiss something because the wrong nationality made it. Time marches on but the irony keeps being lost on these people.

>>2111087
How does something like this even happen?

>>2111087
why cant the tno team prioritize?

>>2111540
they did prioritize (removing content)

>>2111514
The mod was hijacked once the original devs started leaving. The people who took it over hated the original content and started to rework everything from scratch. First by starting to rework the majors, and then expanding the scope in ways that "forced" them to rework everything else. Then they started removing all devs that wouldn't go along with this script and now you have a hollowed out team that's a shadow of its former self trying to make TCT in the HOI4 engine.

>>2111540
It goes like this:
>Person starts working on something like Italy
>A major rework/team purge forces them to start over
>Repeat until the tag is completely dead or the eventual release as an unrecognizable skeleton

>>2111551
>HOI4 engine
HOI4 runs on the Clausewitz Engine, as does most of paradox’s new(er) games. I’m not a coder or modder but apparently it’s a piece of shit.

>>2111564
People like it because it's easy to code for and modify. The biggest problem with it is that it's a single thread piece so it's bad at utilizing a computer's hardware to its fullest. And that's why all big mods run like shit unless you have a NASA supercomputer.

>>2110670
This guy thinks communists should have killed his family btw

>>2111595
proof

>>2111597
he may be retarded but he's still right about tno

>>2111597
bruh

>>2111597
>Knows that garbage (like himself) should be deleted
>Knows that good things (like Guangdong) shouldn't be deleted
Makes sense, I guess.

>>2111597
i mean he isnt wrong? In an ideal world he should be hanged. Anyway, TNO devs are so nuts they managed to make retarded libs like this guy, who used to be the main dev defenders, hate them.

>>2111551
>>2111541
I am firmly convinced that the tno devs main problem is that they are just retarded/pursuing wrong objectives
-its not that they are lazy. No tno team is filled with workaholic expectations
-its not that they are uncoordinated. No, the tno team does have a centralized vision of what new tno should be. (realism)
-and its not that they dont have "talent". The tno team does have programmers, coders and etc (some of them they took from submod projects)
THe main issue with tno has and will always be because the dev team are pursuing wrong objectives. Instead of reworking shit, they could have just continued on the semi realistic and goofy setting of the old tno. But instead their objective is to make it realistic, realistic, realistic.
And thus you get modern tno.

>>2111647
I am firmly convinced that the tno devs main problem is that they are just retarded/pursuing wrong objectives
-its not that they are lazy. THE tno team is filled with workaholic expectations
-its not that they are uncoordinated. THE tno team does have a centralized vision of what new tno should be. (realism)
-and its not that they dont have "talent". The tno team does have programmers, coders and etc (some of them they took from submod projects)
THe main issue with tno has and will always be because the dev team are pursuing wrong objectives. Instead of reworking shit, they could have just continued on the semi realistic and goofy setting of the old tno. But instead their objective is to make it realistic, realistic, realistic.
And thus you get modern tno.

did TNO break with EAW? Bro these last 2 weeks have been like TNO 9/11

>>2111569
they should make their own game atp. I saw a former dev on kiwifarms saying that its literally impossible for all TNO content even be released due to the Clausewitz Engine.

But, if they cant even make content for a mod country after 5 years, its impossible for them to develop an actual game

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSi8j6qifvA&t=881s

so someone just dropped this video about the current tno , not sure if its that good , he doesnt seem to be a /vst/ board user or from kiwifarms

>>2111668
I disagree, im fine with Goring and Atlantropa getting the boot. The problem TNO has really is that though Mango specifically outlined cooking it out slowly and such it basically alienated every possible member of the community that isn't a bootlicker or a raging reworker. I was for deleting Goring and Atlantropa, I didn't care about Glenn, I support scrapping the NPP, no love lost for any of the deleted content really, but it has gotten so bad even people like me are completely against it at this point. When you only release shit 2 hour demos with bloated GUIs and delete even cool content like LBJ and talk of deleting Guangdong im done. I think the ""soul of TNO"" was lost when realism stopped being an actual interest along fun and gameplay and interesting stories and it became a blanket justification to delete whatever the leads didn't like. Even I can say the new Moscowien content looks dogshit and Mexico is boring lmao

The reason Gus Hall was depicted as being especially homophobic, when in reality he had the same beliefs on homosexuality as the median American of the day, is that he is slightly to the right of the TNO dev team's ideological center. They wanted there to be a "dark side" to a Hall presidency, without implying that there is anything wrong with Hall or the CPUSA ideologically, or any negative consequences to a left-radical being elected in the United States.

>>2111679
>no love lost for any of the deleted content really, but it has gotten so bad even people like me are completely against it at this point.
my nigga people like you are how we got to this point

If you anons hate tno why not direct all your hatred into making your own mod?

>>2111683
Nah I was with Pacifica and was against all these changes from step 1 lol but because I disagreed with the philosophy and people involved not with the changes themselves. For the past two years i've also disagreed with the changes

>>2111687
I don't usually post here, I just occasionally come by to catch up on the circus.
But most people here enjoy laughing at or complaining about the mod, but wouldn't enjoy mod making.

>>2111691
a shame. The best way to humiliate tno is to make a mod more popular and loved than tno
cough tfr cough

>>2111660
Yes.
tl;dr Mango tried to get someone fired from their team over them criticizing TNO's crunch culture. They refused. QPQ then barged in and pushed for it and failed so miserably that he got banned from their server. This alienated everyone so thoroughly that they completely broke with TNO. A bad case of the Streisand Effect really.

>>2111714
nta but can i have screenshots of that evidence. It sounds funny

>>2111716
> screenshots of that evidence
screenshots of that incident

>>2111716
The evidence is that they aren't associated any more. No one is going to leak the leads DMs or the EaW lead chat.

>>2111722
>QPQ then barged in and pushed for it and failed so miserably that he got banned from their server.
Well then how do you know about this?

>>2111732
An EaW dev friend of mine told me. And it makes sense. They wouldn't break all ties with TNO for no reason. TNO must've done something serious for it to happen and starting a pointless fight over old dev drama is their bread and butter.

>>2111748
I have friends who probably have contacts or are friends with eaw devs. Im gonna contact them to see if this is true. Wouldnt be suprised if its true though since it makes sense

>>2111751
If I was wrong feel free to correct me. It could be me playing a game of telephone but the story made sense to me at least. Especially since QPQ isn't the most diplomatic person around.

>>2111754
I will correct you if you are wrong

>>2111769
I can confirm that Anon is right, I too was told this by multiple EAW devs

I think EAW also collected a bucket full of stats on TNO and why their team sucks due to this.

>>2111809
tno devs really are a bunch of losers, lmfao

>>2111809
Man that makes it sound like a cult if they do that just because someone "escaped from the fold".

>>2111824
It's both funny and ludicrous how they are essentially larping as a bunch of power-hungry bureaucrats.

5 years of reworks and cuts and now old Afrika is gone, it has truly never been more over. After playing this mod since release I felt like I had to make something for the occasion even if it's just a shitpost. It's been a long ride bros
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWODKxGeDBs

>>2111852
That fade-in of red at the end makes me feel like I wasted my life and got nothing from these time vampires.
t. former dev that wrote for these assholes years ago.

>>2111809
So they now try to police other mods after having the final say on what gets posted in their discord and subreddit?

>>2111864
It's nothing new, they've done it for a while. But the lid has blown off on their despicable practices now that EaW has disassociated with them over it and banned one of their leads for harassing their staff.

4 YEARS SINCE THE ROADMAP RELEASED AND ONLY 1 (ONE) FULL COUNTRY WITH 8 YEAR CONTENT RELEASED.
AND NOW BRAZIL WITH 2 FULL 8 YEAR PATHS IS GETTING RAMMED, BYE BYE LOBSTER WAR LORE

>>2111087
looking back I probably should have clarified that it's the 2021 roadmap and the red just means content not released

Quarterly checkup for the thread.
>Red Italy status?
>Brazil 8 years status?
>Goering rework status?

>>2111896
>goering
kill
>red italy
kill
>brazil
2 paths.

>>2111898
Did they actually ax RI and Goering?

>>2111900
Red Italy? Likely scrapped, there is no team.
Goering? Development hasn't even started. Bormann is mostly complete and Speer is half done.

>>2111911
WHAT FUCKING DESIGN PLANS WHAT THE FUCK?!?!? YOU WERE TEASING THIS AS ALMOST READY FOR LIKE FOUR FUCKING YEARS AND WE WE ALREADY HAD MOST OF THE PATHS REVEALED VIA LEAKS HESUS CHRIST. WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU EVEN DOING THIS DOESN'T EVEN SOUND LIKE THE HIGHER UPS DECIDING TO CUT RI IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU SPENT SIX FUCKING YEARS SNORTING COKE (editors note: I don't even remember if its six years, but it sounds about right). WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU ALL EVEN DOING, WJAT FUCKING VAPORWARE IS THIS. I USED TO LAUGH AT FUCKING STAR CITIZEN SCAMMING ITS WHALES BUT NOW IT SEEMS THEY MIGHT NOT EVEN BE THE WORST ANY MORE HOLY FUCK. I WAS A FUCKING LOYALOST FOR FAR TOO LONG. OKAY, BURGUNDY WAS A MEME, IT WAS WORTH THE CUT, SAME WITH THAT RETARDED MEDITERANEAN DAMN, BUT THAT WAS ALWAYS WITH THE ASSUMPTION THAT YOU WILL DO SOMETHING COOL WITH IT NOW THAT MEDITERANEAN ISN'T PERMAFUCKED. HOW THE FUCK ARE PEOPLE EVEN FOLLOWING TNO ANYMORE.

>>2111911
>>2111940
Can someone please repost that image with all the Red Italy leaders?

I'm once again asking for Schorner doc

>>2111679
Nah faggot Atlatropa lives, the removel of atlatropa was the starting point to delete/rework everthing , and Goring the ze best hitler sucessor and the most realistic one (literally )

>>2111940
>no love lost for any of the deleted content even the most memorable ones , but it has gotten so bad even people like me are completely against it at this point.

my nigga people like you are how we got to this point

>>2111940
You laughed at us when we said this would happen and celebrated the removal of Burgundy.

>>2111950
It's really just going to be Goering with more GUIs, fewer war plans, and stretched out further. Also, never releasing.

>>2111981
I know I just want to steal his mechanics for my mod.

>>2110481 (OP)
Why do entire mod teams put out less content in years than a single dedicated person could in a week? I mean, I know that mod "development" is retarded anyway as you could use that time to make your own game and get rich. But it still baffles me, I remember when I used to be interested in this years ago and now I find out it has only lost content which is absurd. Why do people still cling to this shit? Taking months to release what can be coded in a day was always unacceptable. Why are modders always the lowest scum no matter the game? They are like western AAA developers but somehow twice as lazy.

>>2111668
This is one of the biggest alternate history/hoi4 modding youtbers around. This is huge, criticism of nudevs has reached the mainstream

>>2111983
There aren't really any mechanics worth stealing. Some/all leaked before. You'll get a bloated deccat to invade countries with and some bullshit for stability and your eventual successor. It really is just a watered down Goering with more bloat and everything stretched out.

>>2111986
the people making mods like these are all - yes, all - dysfunctional mega-autists. people like that can put truly impressive amounts of effort into their interests, which we see proof of all the time, but organizing them? relying on their communication and cooperation? having them work in social contexts? anyone can see that's doomed to fail, and that that will produce more retarded drama than anything else.

I hope Paradox starts working on HoI5 quickly after release EU5. I also hope it has a similar focus on realism and simulation. The game will both be fun and absolutely wreck the modders.

>>2111986
TNO was hijacked by a group of people that have no interest in HOI4 which is why we don't see any conventional gameplay any more but rather minigames and emulating other games like TCT. There's little concern any more for making a good HOI4 mod so their available talent pool, priorities and output will inevitably reflect this. As for why people cling to it it's because the original universe was inspiring and interesting, flaws and all. Unless you mean the actual nudevs in which case I have no idea.

>>2111997
Then how come so many other mods like KR, KX, EAW, TFR, OWB and others actually put out content? Why is TNO the only mod on this scale to fail so spectacularly?
If what you said was true then the problem would be as bad elsewhere too. But no, TNO is the odd man out that never updates and almost exclusively cuts content.

>>2112008
I think he that's why a single autist like the kiwi guy doesn't make 1/80th of the content as the tno team

>>2111978
>>2111972
Atlantropa was literal garbage tier and the reasoning was sound, don't rewrite history. The only faggots that cried for Atlantropa were r/DSRFunny 14yo's that liked it because it was akin to a creepypasta. Atlantropa, if included, would have destroyed all of the Triumvirate states, which honestly are the most interesting ones, definetly more interesting than Japan or fucking Brazil. It was removed with the promise that it would lead to good Triumvirate content that never came - and that is the main issue.

All of Panzer dicksucking ITT follows the same trend. Urals were trash. Heydrich victory path was trash. Early cutting room floor shit like DSR was trash. Dude was a fucking hack and his only achievment is 'doing something' when the current gaggle of idiots can't do anything.

Even the biggest doomer couldn't have predicted that the devs wouldn't be able to deliver ANYTHING of substance for half a decade. Originally the fear was that all original content would be paved over, but even if that was the case, one would expect the reworks to have actually delivered something.

>>2112034
>NOOOO TRIUMVIRATE STATES MUST NOT HAVE CONFLICTS AND ECONOMIC HARDSHIP BECAUSE THAT'LL MAKE IT HARDER FOR ME TO COPY WIKIPEDIA AND FORCES ME TO ACTUALLY THINK ABOUT HOW THOSE STATES WOULD DEVELOP AND REACT TO THIS CATACLYSMIC EVENT

Guys, the PW leak build has maybe a 75% complete Red Italy, with several paths nearly completed. It's crazy how much shit the devs keep tossing out. If you wanted, you could even finish their Red Italy and release it in maybe 2 months?

>>2112034
It's less that Atlantropa was the best thing ever or anything like that and more that it was the foot in the door that has now led to everything being deleted. Now they're even planning to delete Guangdong and use the same arguments there as they did for Atlantropa, Burgundy, the NPP and Africa. Never give these people an inch.

>>2112109
I'm sure the Rides Again and Requiem peeps would be all over that.

>>2112110
Atlantropa was the pillar upon which TNO lore stood. Removing Atlantropa caused a chain reaction and made everything else illogical and worse. There's no longer a reason for Italy to hate Germany beyond just power hungriness which makes for a much worse story because it's not that serious. There's no longer a reason for Iberia to exist and collapse into civil war like it does. Atlantropa was the first thing that everyone saw when starting a game and it was a clear show of how Germany raped the world and no one is having a good day but for some reason devs didn't like that and they wanted to have a strong and prosperous italy and france which goes against the intended message of TNO which is nazis winning ww2 is bad

>>2112132
... And then we never got content for any of these countries that were supposed to be helped by the Atlantropa removal anyway as these are still in total dev hell or have been abandoned altogether.

>>2112146
See that's my point. Literally no one would give a shit if...
>Atlantropa is removed but we get Red Italy and 4 Duces kino within 2 years, followed by Kara Boga wrangling the entire middle east before it explodes in their face with Oil Crisis (member when House Saud was supposed to have global-plan for Middle East and be a sort of Machiavelian geopolitical mastermind? That would have been actual kino)
No one would give a shit about Burgundy getting normied if...
>We got new content about a Western Euro RK (poasibly merhed with Dutch RK) and how the low countries are opressed and how SS schizophrenia backfires when they try it outside of Easter Euro villages

But instead the devs smoked crack for a decade while canibalizing other mods, hence Panzershits can now revise history about how heckin' wholesome Heydrich path was supposedly peak.

>>2112177
>how heckin' wholesome Heydrich path was supposedly peak
It was peak and one of the best stories ever written. The only people malding were realismfags who were mad that a nazi had a redemption arc

I don't care about atlantropa, I wish they finished moskowien and gave antikhrist content.

>>2112192
nayrt but I just think it was handled clumsily. He actually wasn't meant to have a redemption arc, the dev himself said so. It was meant to prove that he actually had given up all hope in Nazism which had destroyed Germany so any kino is accidental. I wish he'd been given a proper arc instead where he got to actually rebuild Germany somehow. Instead he just kills himself and especially if you know the intent that leaves a sour aftertaste in my mouth.

>>2112177
I'd mind. Your burgundy idea sucks especially, that's just what we already had but lamer.

>>2110765
Really funny how the talks went from 'how is this disabled freak who couldn't function in society a warband leader' to 'this shit is fucking KINO' only because TNO lost all of its old charm and had fuck-all good changes in the region.

>>2112199
Him being another generic nazi path where he rebuilts germany is fucking boring. Him literally saving the world by working together with jews and slavs and realizing that his entire life was a lie and not being able to live with the weight of his sins anymore is much more interesting.

>>2112216
Idk, him as a hyper-efficient and very skilled statesman who'd turn Germany into the perfect state according to the original doctrine of National Socialism without either betraying its roots, like Speer does, or turning it into a generic authoritarian state, like Goering does, was interesting as well. Too bad it uuuuhhhhh never happened and never will lol.
And if we're sticking with the collapse/alliance against Himmler, I'd be fine with the idea of him realizing his life's work was a lie if he didn't kill himself at the end. It's much gayer if he just takes the easy way out, much more interesting to see what he'd do to actually 'redeem' himself and rebuild Germany.

>>2111668
OK, watched the video now. It's actually pretty good and is a nice throwback to old TNO. He makes various fair and level-headed arguments in favor of the old lore, and why he prefers that world and its possibilities over the "realistic" one we got. He doesn't go full rage or "fuck the devniggers", but rather just puts forward his arguments point by point. You can disagree or agree, but overall, it's a decent video about why implausible alt history can be enjoyable. I don't think I'd agree with him on everything.

Would recommend and the video seems normie-friendly enough for you to be able to share it with your friends.

>>2112216
You know damn well I didn't mean for him to just be a generic Nazi that rebuilds Germany and that everything goes back to business as usual afterwards or anything of the sort. I just want to see the better future, not just be told about it. However, I'm perfectly aware of the fact that the devs would never make anything like that, so what we got is arguably the best we'll ever get.

To the people saying the new map makes minimal changes to performance: I started a new game on the Requiem submod and instantly noticed how on the old map my game runs twice as fast

>>2112254
You can look at the feedback from the user survey TNO themselves did. An overwhelming amount of the replies said that the new map worsened performance. Though a lot of that was likely just Antarctica being a miserable piece of GUI bloat.

>>2112256
Thank God I changed PCs before trying the Antarctica map. It runs okay-ish but its much better without it

>>2112232
You can do that with any other character. You don't have to replace one of the best paths in the mod to accomodate your nazi power fantasy. Have it be a subpath of bormann or speer or one of the rk's who conquers germany or a successor to Heydrich who comes after Himmler kills him when the GCW drags for too long.
>I'd be fine with the idea of him realizing his life's work was a lie if he didn't kill himself at the end
Him killing himself is essential to complete his redemption arc since he's done so much evil that he can't live with himself anymore and he has no idea what to do since his entire life was dedicated to nazism. It's like if Master from Fallout 1 instead of killing himself became a wholesome democracy advocate and everyone forgave him and lived happily ever after. That would be an unironic nazi whitewashing that realismfags were accussing panzer of.
>>2112234
> I just want to see the better future, not just be told about it
I have no clue what this means. Do you mean reworking heydrich or post-heydrich content or the thing the previous poster was proposing which is the current abandoned heydrich rework? In any case we already have this niche occupied by Speer which is why if Heydrich did the same it would be a much more boring story than what panzer wrote

>>2112261
okay troonzer

>>2112034
>Atlantropa, if included, would have destroyed all of the Triumvirate states
This is the crux of the debate you realismfags don’t seem to understand, some people don’t care about the real geographical and economic effects it has on the region and just think it’s a cool map that makes the world darker and more intriguing. I like the creepypasta

>>2112271
I don't see the issue with Atlantropa being a major issue that all the meds have to focus on the fallout of. It's not that I don't care, I just don't find the idea uninteresting. They're all hit by catastrophe because of a nazi vanity project? Cool. I want to see how they handle that, the economic ruination, the displacement, the political turmoil, the international hostility, and all that can emerge from that. You know what is completely fucking insipid and uninteresting though? social reforms, politicking and balancing the interests of powerful cliques.

>>2112261
>I have no clue what this means
I just wish they wouldn't have had him kill himself and have Germany die. I'd prefer if it somehow led to a happy ending down the road. Whether it's because Heydrich is a reformer, someone else picking up the torch or something else, I don't care. I just don't like the suicide ending. And since I know that it wasn't intended to be a redemption arc as you (fairly desu) interpret it as, it rubs me doubly the wrong way since I know that the current thing was never the intent.

>>2112034
>Atlantropa was literal garbage tier and the reasoning was sound, don't rewrite history.
wtfu even yapping very expect of that mod is history rewritten , like the guys said create solutions for catasthofic event , besides atlantropa was already talked about in the last thread and possible content for atlantropa and saving Italy

>>2112091
yes this thing right here

>>2112132
>NO NEED TO WHITEWASH THE GERMAN HISTORY , THEY DID NOT HAVE SLAVES , THEY DID NOT DISCRIMINATE , THEY NEVER FUCKED ANY OF HIS ALLYS , THEY HAD 0 INTERNAL PROBLEM , AND GIVE THEM PLOT ARMOR

tno nudev behavior

>>2112199
well the kiwifarms guy is reworking Heydrich content , instead of him of killing himself he actuactlly trys to redem himself

>>2112289
Well put, I should have worded it better, I meant to say more “the effects it had” in relation to how it was allegedly impossible to code and write for mediterranean countries due to Atlantropa, not that it should just be ignored which is how I came off. Writing in conflicts and paths caused by a failed megaproject would be great

>>2112289
ding ding ding actually would like to fucking see that

>>2112294
I don't think it's thematically appropriate for there to be a good ending since Heydrich is supposed to be the most evil option and he and Himmler caused insane amounts of destruction that can't be washed away. Bad endings obviously make you feel bad and that's the intended outcome which is why you don't like it but I don't think every story needs to make you feel happy. Some stories can make you feel sad or angry or scared and I judge the narrative by how well it succeeds in making me feel something.

>>2111216
im in love with that kiwi user dont tell him though

>>2112307
Oh, I see, I wasn't aware of that. All I'd seen was complaints that the writing had to be too centered around Atlantropa. If there were genuine and severe technical issues, well, I understand but still mourn it.

>>2112304
That's good, I look forward to seeing that. That sounds like precisely what I wanted. I know TNO:Requiem is trying to do something else with him, but I'm honestly optimistic for both of them. One trying to improve on Panzer's vision, the other doing its best to make as good-as-possible compromise between the old and new TNO. Honestly that's the best ending we could've gotten, an alternative for the fans of either, and everyone else getting to enjoy the stay on the sinking ship that keeps drilling more holes into its hull.

Just curious, does TNO:R have old Britain and Goering content?

>>2111462
he was a chinese guy living in denmark

>>2112355
>Old Britain
They have the old Britain game mode enabled at the moment, yes.
>Goering
No, it's not in their current build, but they've expressed interest in bringing it back, possibly like how Men is currently being restored.

>>2111754
These messages are not from the Equestria at War discord, they're from The Campaign Trail, a community QPQ was banned from for being an annoying faggot. Look at the bot name. It's a US politician from the Bush era.

>>2112449
Yes, everyone knows this. It's an old QPQ meme. Ayrt probably just reposted it to make a point ab him being a drama whore that shots up communities a lot.

>>2112454
Fair enough.

>>2112261
>accomodate your nazi power fantasy
Oh you're a tranny, okay.

>>2112355
>Goering
good news
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3540271527

I havent looked up at this mod since the funny clock man path came out (one of the best schizo paths that I played so far), came back here after learning they were pretty much lobotomising the mod
can someone give me a tldr of all the changes they'll do

>>2111950
>>2111983
Trust me you don't want to copy his homework.
t. soon-to-be former Germany dev.

>>2112726
See: >>2110603 >>2110605
Entire mod's been gutted and the most optimistic we can get is that some of the cut content will be replaced by minigames and skeletons in a year or two.

>>2112730
I've already read everything. Why can't you just send the whole doc?

>>2112733
Because I don't want to backstab my team members just because I don't like the direction of the mod. And honestly it isn't worth sending in the first place. It's just Lam describing a watered down version of Goering's content that was available 5 years ago that he deleted. Go and play the Goering submod instead. It's more complete than this route ever will be.

>>2112735
lmao

>>2112735
To be honest you're doing them a favour since this shit will never release and your life on nothing.
>And honestly it isn't worth sending in the first place.
You aren't the judge of that. Every piece of content should be archived. Schorner doc has an actual gui implemented which makes it more valuable than most pinned docs which are just words.

>>2112740
>and your
*And you wasted your

>>2112726
everything is slated to change and nothing old will remain.
only a few russian warlord's changes are a known, so it's hard to say what happens there

what people are saying about eaw and tno is correct. there was a former member who was telling about their time on tno as a developer.

mango and qpq came in and demanded punishment to be meted out which was understood to be a ban or at least that everything would get scrubbed. when they didnt receive an answer, qpq tried demanding answers publicly pinged everyone he thought would answer and got banned off eaw for his troubles

he then tried using the partnership to demand to be unbanned

eaw told him to piss off and from what i heard also told him that their devs came first always

got told all this by someone who was kept informed of everything as it went down back then live

>>2112747
>he then tried using the partnership to demand to be unbanned
That's just a whole different level of pathetic.
>told him that their devs came first always
Good on them.

The most depressing part?
TNO started development in 2017 and released 2020.
3 years for everything in the release version.

>>2112794
5 years and the only completed country since then is Guangdong.

Ever wonder why Brazil's update was rushed?
Well, they didn't want to have the DV integration get in the way of it releasing.
It was better to rush out an update so they can say "it's done" ( even if it's unfinished ), than to not have another update for the year.

>>2112800
People in these threads speculated it right around the time that DV integration leaked. People assumed that because the lobster war would be gone soon Brazil team would have to rework major parts of the intro. Has to suck to be fucked over just because the guy that made DV just so happens to be besties with Mango.

>>2112730
These mfs removed Goering, promissed good content to replace it, wasted 3 fucking years thinking what would be his path, and then just decided to do the same he did but worse. Are they retarded and with no creativity to create anything new?

>>2112800
So thats why Brazil content was extremely bugged at release.
Also, Wont Brazil content be basically fucked after DV release?

>>2112814
>Wont Brazil content be basically fucked after DV release
That is the reason they just released it as is.

>>2112811
>Are they retarded and with no creativity to create anything new?
Well Africa will be based on a 1960s world Atlas so...

Considering how much USA & Germany content relies on the SAW, I can't wrap my head around what they are going to do.
>integrate DV
>have to do a soft rework of USA and Germany content that's already slated to be reworked in the future
This is such a retarded idea.

>>2112839
They only decided to integrate DV last year and a lot of somewhat recent leaks still mention the SAW so it's all but impossible that they prepared for this in a way that won't require additional reworkings of their reworks.

TNO is so fucking cooked.

>>2112844
I don't even mean future rework content, but CURRENT USA content.
Germany's can just be cut as it's not that relevant in the paths. But USA kinda requires the war.

>>2112845
that just means it's not being integrated until 2028!

>>2112849
They already said they were aiming for skeleton content next year. They're fucking cooked.

I'm on the 2WRW/TNO Requiem Dev server as a lurker, and jesus christ I dont like what I'm seeing.

For one, the fucking implosion of scale isnt good. They have started work on like 10 other things just since the 27th... it has taken them 3 days and they started discussions on Germany content, RK content, Full Tech tree rework, brazil content, argentina content, France content, content for another russian unifier (Kardashev), and then Britain.

Oh also I made sure to dig a little bit around and it turns out that "A more perfect Union" thingy is a full USA rework. The original designers wanted to have all of it in one big update originally (literally Victor and Judge 2) and it already took the other devs quite a while to get the designers to decrease the scope to 10 years of content instead of 20. Oh, and just about every single president in TNO right now is getting removed. Including Hart and LBJ.

Germany has alot of "idfk" going on right now, but they want to get rid of Burgundy as it stands it seems. Five dislikes the SS Rebellion so much that he's just calling the shots on that one. For whatever reason the CODE Lead is one of the Germany Leads but hey whatever?

Italy is like the one area where I have the least worries but even they needed a talking to over Red Italy.

China is getting a reorganization of the warlords, its being turned (if i understand it correctly from skimming through the channels) into a big KMT remnant and a CCP remnant? I think thats it. Long Yun was discussed but people couldnt agree, he might be on the chopping block though.

The RK content isnt really anywhere yet, same with Germany, France, Brazil and Argentina.
Kardashev stuff seems to be coming along nicely.

Britain dev idk whats planned to be honest. Five really wants to keep the TFL lore around.
Really I'm mostly worried about America and the constant scope creep I guess. Hart and Burgundy being on the chopping block pisses me off so much.

>>2112913
you still havent posted proof

>>2112916
Just ignore him, he posted the same thing at least twice in the last thread.

Another thing, what's the storyline for Britain like in the new content? Both collab and free.

>>2113012
desu I like the new story just the gameplay is beyond shit.
Basically the nazis implement their irl plan of having an aristocratic revival in britain with fascist paint, some populists fascists who liked moseley are still around but heavily sidelined.
The free groups are split between people who want a restoration of the british government in exile and a socialist republic

>>2112916
The original poster posted the various documents as proof quickly after.

Buttt this one is just a reposter.
Notice how it says "it has taken them 3 days", which would date that post at the 30th/31st.

You think TNO:R will integrate some of the old code?

>>2113037
they want to get Men and Nova Polska back, so yes

>>2113037
Old content? Yes, but they can't just copy the old code 1:1 with a lot of it since it predates their map and even TT in many cases.

Last question, what are their (Requiem devs) plans for Britain? Will Hitler still give a jumpscare when you prevail against Germany in Sealion II?

>>2113065
I think that's WIP and even if they have preliminary plans it's too early to say. They seem to believe that England dev is dead (it is) and that they have to fill in the blanks on their own. Way too early to tell and if they have anything concrete it'd be more about touching up existing content.

>>2113086
Man Rides Again really is firing on all cylinders. Somehow the random autist on Kiwi manages to come up with actual DSR content too.

unc who tf is playing TNO in the big 25?

>>2113086
you faggots are delusional if you seriously think this won't suck ass. 5 years is insane for development to take but you can't cook something good in two months either

>>2113158
His stuff is usually perfectly playable. He cuts a lot of corners when it comes to the writing and unique graphics, but in terms of raw playability he's pretty solid and often has old cut TNO content to build off of. So it's not as crazy as it sounds if you can live with some of the compromises that he makes

>>2113086
Link to that thread?

>>2113168
it's the "/r/TNOmod and the Reddit HOI4 modding community" thread in Community Watch

>>2112034
>we needed to get rid of Atlantropa because it's getting in the way of our plans for the Triumvirate states

>just kidding, we don't have any plans for the Triumvirate outside of Red Italy, which is in dev hell and never going to happen

>>2113158
it's mainly just reimplementing/recycling content TNO already made

>>2110485
>TNO: Rides Again
What the Hell is that? Google brings up nothing.

>>2113256
Kiwi farms fork of old TNO

>>2113288
Is it on the workshop or do I have to scroll through threads of discussion for a download link?

>>2113293
Yes, it's in the workshop but the primary platform is a public git. The Steam page is just maintained by a fan. Mod's actually alright though. Fully restored pre-TT TNO with Atlantropa and lots of cut content being restored. Turns out that the devniggers scrapped tons of nearly finished tags by purging people and shit, lmao. No wonder they never update.

>>2113299
Sorry to ask, but do you have links to either?

>>2113293
>>2113300
https://gitgud.io/Ivanishvili/TNORA
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3406575658

I havent checked out TNO in a while, might start a new run sometime soon.
Did 2WRW release Omsk finally?
Did TNO release some more content from the old roadmap?

>>2113413
>Did 2WRW release Omsk finally?
Yes. Tag got a new lead back in December that threw out all the minigames and now it's out with some kind of playable Post Apocalypse content on the way. They're officially a Redux now and are called TNO: Requiem.

>Did TNO release some more content from the old roadmap?
Oh boy, are you in for some bad news. Other anons have summarized it:
>>2110603 >>2110605 >>2111087
Zilch. Nada. The big news that you missed is that all US leaks have been confirmed and that they're also deleting all their African content because of nepotism: >>2112810
This received universally negative backlash: >>2110661
They're also deleting Guangdong because fuck you: >>2110670

I'm once again asking for Schorner doc

can anyone tell me how to achive the Iberan wars and if any iberan warlord has content ?

>>2113510
And I keep telling you: it's not worth getting invested in.

>>2113565
It's a matter of public interest to get every doc archived. Now post gui of Europe with different types of governments in europe and their variables.

>>2113582
There aren't any. The document just mentions the intent to eventually add this shit. It obviously never will. You're welcome.

>>2113585
There was literally a europe map gui you lying sack of shit

>>2113585
>It obviously never will
That's why it's important to preserve what has been made. It's ironic that I care more about your trannyjanny friends legacies than their supposed "friends"

>>2113589
Sorry to piss on your parade but no, there isn't. It's a lazy mockup MS Painted from Speer's GUIs and it never was and never will be implemented. Smoke and mirrors, baby.

>>2113592
It's literally nothing. Enjoy your MS Paint doodle.

>>2113595
Thanks. It looks cool. Would have been better if you just posted the whole thing but that's enough for me since I was looking for graphical inspiration

I’m still annoyed they made us crunch Wales development all the way up to 1970 then ended up cutting it all. They also cut the proposed English catastrophe and the three different routes after it.
>t. pre-release team lead

>>2113615
you should just leak stuff and somewhere someone will pick it up

>>2113615
Bamba, is that you?

>>2113599
I just didn't want to waste anyone's time with some MS Paint drawings stapled on top of the old (superior) Goering content. Half a decade down the drain, lol.

>>2113627
I remember that name but I cannot remember what they did. Were they the England TL?

>>2113617
I only have the GFX downloaded, but I do seem to still have access to a lot of old proposals and documents even outside of Wales. Would something like the pre-release localisation master spreadsheet be of interest?

>>2113617
You know what, sure. Have fun scraping what you can from all the other linked documents within. Might want to save them, I have no idea if they'll suddenly stop working one day.

England Masterdoc
>https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1LrEB0AxHJVBEW5uuEmM1itl0OYuy7wcxxe9ft1XZrYU/edit?gid=18298810#gid=18298810

Pre-release Localisation Master Doc V3
>https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1CQqr5K9RMZ8uET7oybAjeheOSPRv3leRltyH0bW1alM/edit?gid=426279189#gid=426279189

Leaders and GFX for English Catastrophe, Wales
>https://files.catbox.moe/k7phqy.zip

>>2113668
honestly you should consider joining 2WRW/TNO Requiem

>>2113704
Honestly I don't understand why anyone's left on the original team. All you gotta do is delete things that better people made and in the unlikely event that you made something great like Guangdong your content will be deleted by your successors as you get purged for being le unrealism.

>>2113299
so what content's on there that was either finished but removed or was near completion for OG TNO?

>>2113707
I would not at all be surprised if various devs from TNO start heading to Requiem

>>2113710
Register a KF account and ask him. He's friendly. Just do it.

>>2111940
RI is maybe 75% complete and with a month of polish would be fit for release. Tbh RI is much more complete than dem italy in the leaked build. The reduxes could patch up RI for one of their earlier releases.

Their endless reworking of 80% complete content is really what fucks them up. PW leaked build has multiple contradicting mechanics for France, and Italy's mechanics were significantly reworked.

So Lolbotkiller (TNO:R/2WRW Codelead) might be a Star Citizen cuck. Given some people here have a hateboner for Star Citizen this will interest them.

>>2113947
Correction, he IS a Star Citizen Cuck.
Source: Various comments of his on r/StarCitizen

>>2113859
I always got the feeling Italy in particular was like that. Progressed far and then was politely asked to start over from scratch. Especially with the rework that saw Italy and Germany become frenemies and all the original lore scrapped. Just sucks, man. We could've had full Italy content as a followup to Guangdong if it wasn't for this shit.

>>2113947
Literally no one that matters cares. You're really scraping the bottom of the drama barrel at this point and we'd be telling you the same thing if you tried to manufacture drama around the games Corn and the other TNO leads are into for that matter.

>>2113968
> noone that matters cares
Literally this guy >>2111940 might care though.

If you want to be that uptight then noone here matters really. So everyone matters equally.

Im not even connected to the shitfucks from the last couple of threads.

>>2113973
>The mentally ill man that vomits messages in all caps is my key demo
>I swear I'm not the same shit stirrer that tried to manufacture drama out of thin air as the other person trying to manufacture drama out of thin air
Bleak. At least try to stay on topic. No one cares about what games Corn plays or what vtubers Lamounier watches and you'd be told to eat a bag of dicks if you started to meander about either. It becomes relevant and interesting when it directly damages the mod like QPQ transplanting his awful TCT mods onto TNO and calls it a day.

>>2113977
To be fair Star Citizen is known for being 12 years in Dev Hell, so the lead coder of TNO Requiem being a fanboy of that game isnt necessarily the best of influences.

They may just start justifying slow coding by going "Well Star Citizen" or some shit like that.

>>2113979
But the years of dev hell happened before they were on the team and since he became code lead they managed to release Omsk and put out several hotfixes so we know that isn't the case and I can't for the life of me understand why you're trying a manufacture drama about this other than you holding some kind of grudge. Again: no one gives a shit about the TCT mods anyone plays but we do care about QPQ and Mango being major dramafags in the TCT community that write outright political propaganda mods for that game that they then try to transplant over to TNO.

>>2113979
nigger you're retarded

>lolbotkiller gets appointed lead coder in June
>gets Omsk out in July + 2 hotfixes
>we are ONE FUCKING WEEK LATER since the last hotfix

stop stirring dumb drama you absolute retard

>>2113979
>Nudev clique accomplish next to nothing in years
>Never mentioned negatively in any way until the ODF map integration fiasco
>People who take over from them release content
>Constant attempts to create drama over unrelated tripe
Really makes you think.

>>2114069
>People who take over from them release content
Like what? Brazil that was supposed to be released in 2024?

>>2114139
I think ayrt is talking about the 2WRW mod, not TNO itself. People absolutely raked the TNO devs over the coals. Also Brazil was supposed to release in 2023, not 2024. But knowing what we know now I honestly feel bad for the Brazil devs. The DV integration started to happen when they were supposed to release so they must definitely have gotten fucked over by that. Can't be fun to get something near the finish line and then be told that you need to rework the entire intro before long. No wonder Rapop left and got angry about the whole thing. Really paints those old leaks in a different light.

Sorry for the tangent.

So, I looked through the many PW leaked builds and... I think I figured out where the Requiem Algeria stuff comes from.
I was wondering who the fuck cooked that up because its unfinished as hell.

Dont know if this was done by ODF-Clique or by the current leads though

>>2114513
It was allowed certainly done by the ODF clique. As best as I can understand it they were making major changes to Africa towards the end and all of it was scrapped/abandoned when the team split. I don't think it was all just from PW though since their RK rework was completely new and was just some kind of compromise between the original content and DV. The current leads wanted to go full steam ahead on Omsk so I can't imagine them doing the African reworks.

>>2114684
Algeria is 90% ripped straight from the PW files.

I know this because I'm looking at it
As with the RKs... yeah no clue

https://youtu.be/1s9dS9syp8s?si=lVlzkWWN0QCxAz_t

Anyone knows if these could be actual leaks ? This guy posted more vids of different "leaked build versions" including some with full english focus trees

>>2114793
>>2114513
>Omsk is about to release
>Delay everything to rework Africa, integrate ODF and shoehorn in some unfinished PW content
What was the nudev clique thinking?

>>2114808
https://www.youtube.com/@ThomasLands
Looking at the channel it seems to line up with other leaks. Given TNO's track record it's very likely that a pissed dev leaked all branches yet again. Seems to happen annually.

>>2114808
>>2114811
because it's in chinese, I think he just ripped these videos from bilibili. So there might be a pissed chink dev out there on bilibili.

>>2114816
Could be. We know that the EN videos are real because they leaked a long time ago and were verified at the time.

>>2113668
>We could have had kino Halder leading a crusade against DSR
I HATE FROST SO MUCH

>>2114818
found the video source, but I haven't found any download links yet
https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1wdQdYeE2T

>>2114811
Damn, so if one day we get that content we'll have deleted Burgundy for Himmler as successor instead, the nudev team was really serious about reworking the mod as a whole, hence all the scrapped reworks that didn't fit their new lore

https://space.bilibili.com/385529615/upload/opus
Tons of leaks here if anyone feels like translating these.

>>2114827
Frost really is underhated.
>Rebooted the Britain rework, endured it'll never be finished
>Best friends with Lamounier and Mango, supports all their awful reworks
>Supported ODF integration
>Enabled DV despite it breaking all UK lore
He really is one of the most awful nudevs around.

>>2114827
The more I learn about what was lost the more I hate the devniggers that hijacked the mod.

>>2114830
If Guangdong and Tabby are on the chopping block then you know it all has to go.

>>2114835
https://files.catbox.moe/rp2i03.jpg DV Proposal
https://files.catbox.moe/bdbzkz.jpg Iberia Africa Proposal
https://files.catbox.moe/p3zigh.png Exciting Liberia DV Proposal
https://files.catbox.moe/66gs4a.png Exciting Zanzibar DV Proposal
https://files.catbox.moe/4fxdxv.png Uganda
https://files.catbox.moe/xhhu3n.png South Africa
https://files.catbox.moe/nnubho.png Kenya
https://files.catbox.moe/34abee.png Gambia, Sierra Leone, Nigeria, Ghana, West African Cold War Proposal
Everything else like VP and V&J content is found in this zip, unlike the proposals these are all chinese. So if you have time, please translate and sort them.
https://files.catbox.moe/cf2pg2.7z

>>2114870
>https://files.catbox.moe/rp2i03.jpg DV Proposal
Everything I upload seems to get cut off on catbox including the zip.

>>2114870
>>2114881
Please try to reupload.

Up on gofile if anyone wants to reupload.
https://gofile.io/d/zAJ2RV DV
https://gofile.io/d/puUHkZ ZIP

>>2114893
so it's 2025 and it's supposed to release.. what? next year?
AND THIS IS HOW SOME OF THE FOCUS TREES LOOK??

>>2114947
Almost like... The 2026 release date is as big of a lie as the 2024 V&J release date..

>>2114947
We are 1 year from release and they didnt even give icons to the focus tree, yeah its not releasing bros. Remember they made livestream of Brazil in 2023 and it was pretty much playable, still took 2 years to release it

V&J

>>2114968
How much content is in limbo because of a constant desire to rework shit?

>>2114968
>2 missing icon focus trees
you have to be kidding

>>2114808
Has anyone gotten these leaked versions? Or is it just this YouTube guy who got them in Chinese?

>>2114972
the guy is just reuploading vids from bilibili
see >>2114828
the leaked build might be in some wechat group that we can't access

>>2114972
Not publicly available yet. Swear to God I'm releasing the Schorner document if someone puts it all on Mega.

>>2114968
We need someone to translate this into English. Besides, these motherfuckers said that V&J was probably the next release, but this shit has two branches that don't even have icons yet, and Bormann was the most developed path and this leak is from May. Yeah, this won't be released until the end of next year.

So are these all fully scrapped content or is it going to be released after a small "lore-regarding rework" ?

>>2114973
we need someone to contact that guy who made the videos to leak the builds. This can be the biggest leak in years (yippie+v&j)

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fg6GJ7uMwXo
>the 1962 tree has missing icons
yea it's releasing any day now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ejDPbM4IrM
Himmler's tree

>>2114982
The Bilibili guy posted leaked videos from 4chan, indicating he's in this thread. If you're reading this, leak the builds here anon.

>>2114980
The Bormann content might actually get released. Anything related to Speer, doubtful. Anything else, never. Rework it again!

>>2114986
We know from earlier leaks that none of this has loc btw, all smoke and mirrors.

>>2114986
>coming soon
>no icon for any focus

>>2114989
the nudevs said multiple times they wont separate v&j release, meaning we wont get it until late 2026 at best

At least Heydrich's initial tree has icons! With no effects.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aphRaNQkw0E

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUkWTVP__M8
The Epic GUI..

>>2114993
>nudevs release teasers about Heydrich as if the content were going to be released soon
>no focus was coded
Why do they keep releasing teasers for content that won't be released for at least a few years (if it isn't scraped)?

Germany dev here.
None of this is ever releasing lmao.
You're welcome.

>>2114984
they really removed the current senate gui and replaced it with a shitty one because rework means removing everything old no matter what

>>2114998
btw the Speer completion rate isn't an indicator that it's being released soon. It just means that they have no idea what to add to approach Bormann's level of loc which is also not complete.

>>2115001
That's what I thought. Speer has 1/5 of Bormann's locs, he won't be getting finished anytime soon

>>2114998
Goering has 1 loc and its not even complete

>>2115002
In a few months his completion total will drop thanks to all the reworks.

>>2115004
And that's just for the placeholder content meant to flesh out the Speer and Bormann routes, anon! Imagine how much worse it'll get!

RED ITALY SAVE ME, SAVE ME RED ITALY.

>>2115005
>his completion total will drop thanks to the reworks
they are reworking it again? Yeah this will never be released guys, nothing ever happens chud wins another day

>>2114997
they complete just enough stuff to be teased and keep people interested

>>2114998
does any of this take into account the DV integration?

From what I've seen, Heydrich will basically be Hitachi version 2.0, launching a coup if Hitler's successor fails to secure control. Why do they never have new ideas and just recycle OTL or what other good devs did years ago?

From those videos, the only successor with content is Bormann. If he gets couped or overthrown, the content ends there.

>>2115011
No, they haven't bothered updating for the DV reworks yes. Anything before 1965 is going to have to be reworked from scratch. Enjoy!

>>2115019
Can confirm. He's Lamounier's baby so he was safe from further reworks. Everyone else got completely fucked. If you look at the OP you can see that Speer was a complete dumpster fire just a few months ago. Reworking all of Africa obviously didn't help this.

>>2115017
Tolkien quote about evil not being able to create goes here.

>>2115037
No one can refute this.
I fucking hate devniggers so much.

do anybody have Bormann focus tree translated?

Within the spam of a month we've had:
>Two Reduxes going live and stable
>An anti-Redux flaundering in an instant
>Devniggers killing their mod with DV
>All current content being leaked and revealing everything to be completely unfinished
Sure has to suck being a devnigger shill now.

>>2114808
Does anyone know who the leaders in this video are (or even the choices shown in general)? I know Willy Brandt and the socialist revolution guy is the person who created "the long march through the institutions" phrase, but that's it.

>>2115068
The reddit and discord must be on fire because they haven't been here for a while as well

>>2115070
Vague mentions were made on the TNO discord to avoid the ban. On TNO:R, several guys released the videos and ended up getting banned. On the other hand, the nppfunny reddit (which I don't think has any moderation) had the videos released. I imagine TNO jannies are rn being sent to denounce the video to take it down.

https://www.reddit.com/r/NPPfunny/comments/1mkd650/i_found_this_on_youtube_and_wanted_to_share_this/

the leaker said hes using a chinese community version. Would anyone know wheres it?

>>2115070
True, we had pretty heavy TNO janny presence until recently.

>>2115074
can't get wechat access without chinese id, so

>>2115103
Unfortunate. We need some Chinese anon to join the groups and get this build, or the jannies will be able to take down the leaks first

Any Chinese people here see this QQ group, the leaks are probably there

has this been posted before?

>>2115138
my honest reaction

>>2115138
Fucking Lamounier deleting everything and making whatever's left more boring. Fuck that guy.

why are all leaks in fucking chinese

>>2115148
communism

>>2115148
These leaks are coming from someone in CN-TNO, to my understanding.

4Chan, is there any way we can help this guy?

I usually dont post stuff from the Dev Server of Requiem but this Boss sounds like a right cunt

>>2115202
the guy is working a job where he doesnt need to do shit and he's mad at his boss?

>>2115212
> while closing the store
In other words, the guy was about to be able to go home?

The guy writes his code by hand, I think he'd rather do code work than sit around in the store with nothing going on.

>>2115215
get him to leak it but no clue what you'd really do there

Bormann initial focus tree in English

>>2115202
whats even that

>>2115223
Sorry but I'm not gonna risk working on TNO: Requiem for this, if anything one of you guys would have to contact him.

>>2115225
1962 congress?

>>2115237
probably a dynamic current year thing, many mods use it for events

>>2115225
A lot of this just feels like current TNO.
Glad these four years of endless reworking and destruction of all European tags was worth it for that little extra bit of plot armor.

>>2115225
This is nothing new, Bormann was leaked 2 years ago

>>2115294
was his focus tree leaked?

>>2115294
People are alleging that this is a more recent build. But since it's largely indistinguishable from the 2023 leak... Grim.

Just putting it out there: TNO's code lead, who's also the Germany lead, can't code and this is why it's been four years of almost zero progress in the entire sphere and why we've exclusively seen content reductions in the RKs while German progress remains static.

>>2115326
nigga the entire playable build was leaked
fucking newfag

>>2115332
the most recent one wasnt leaked, only the old one from 2023 i think

what would stop me from joining the tno team and leaking everything anyway?

>>2115336
you wouldnt get git access

>>2115327
So, i played the 2023 build, and Bormann's content went up to the oil crisis. The epilogue focus tree wasn't coded.
As for Speer, it was quite incomplete, with his main mid-game focus tree being quite incomplete and missing half of the icons. Needless to say, from then on, there was barely any content.

From what I've seen, the recent leak isn't much different from the 2023 one, even missing some Bormann icons toward the end. I'd be surprised if this was released in Q1 2026, let alone this year, unless they separate Speer from Bormann, which they've said about a hundred times they won't do (although they always say they won't do something and then do it anyway).

>>2115336
Nothing, really.

>>2115339
You can easily get access by joining up with something that routinely requires Git pulls. Back in my day testing was the easiest but that might've changed since TNO stopped updating.

>>2115339
this means all git leaks we got were from top devs who leaked it?

>>2115341
theres nothing for testers to test since they're not coding anything
grim

>>2115340
I think Brazil is a good example wrt the Bormann/Speer situation. Said it'd be a billion routes and release in 2023 (full content). Release in 2025 (in no small part due to all the USA/GER reworks) with just two routes and no ETA on everything else.
>captcha has TTD in it

>>2115336
Not much, except that you'd probably need to spend some time talking bullshit in chat to increase your Discord participation and have a better chance of being accepted into the team, probably as a tester. Then you could leak everything and disappear. I don't recommend doing this on your main Discord account however, otherwise they'll doxx you.

There we are, Gary!

>>2115345
Can confirm. The recent EaW drama included them using a former team member's application information in a botched bid to harass the guy. TNO devniggers won't shy away from public attempts at doxxing.

>>2115344
And Brazil is one of the luckiest cases to still have content released. PW, for example, was close to be released about three years ago, when it was discared by the Nudevs who took power. One of the main reasons they've only released content for shitholes in the last two years is because they don't need to rework content every three months because the main lead devs decided the content was useless and threw it all away. Brazil's content is basically the same as it was in development in 2021, with just a few changes to icons and mechanics, and still took years to release, being cut in half and being extremelly buggy.

>>2115350
TNO devs are probably the most toxic devs in HOI4 (counting only the big mods). They insult people for disagreeing, doxx them, try to intimidate, among other things. This is one of the reasons why any good dev who joins doesn't stay for more than a few months before leaving (another reason why we constantly get free leaks of builds).

>>2115354
they're pro-trans doe

>>2115348
We're famous!

>>2115350
And we nearly didn't get Brazil either since they were 100% guaranteed getting into trouble over DV. So much for thinking that being far away from Germany would spare you from Lamounier's mandated reworks.

>>2115354
No kidding. Makes you wonder about all the attempts of them trying to ban people from other teams over grudges that we don't know about.

>>2115357
Anon, I...

>"Erm, if you prefer UK or French content over Nicaragua, you're a bigot Eurocentric racist, Mexican content is actually pretty good!"

Why are all tno jannies like this?

A few threads ago, someone asked for the Pol Pot joke tree. Well, here you go. I still think this is better and more interesting than most shit they actually put in the mod even if it's completely stupid.

>>2115364
This is the kind of devnigger mindset that gives up Fiji over literally any playable European nation, people.

Who's going to tell bro that Italy has been in development for 5 years and hasn't been released yet?

>>2112034
devtard hands typed this post

>>2115384
Just in the span of a year, KR released its major reworks of both Russia and Germany, adding more content to both tags than TNO has done altogether since Guangdong. They also put out a Ukraine update with full content and multiple routes, a really expansive Ireland and much, much more. And I don't even like KR and this is just shit I picked up from hanging around public Discords.

No, you dumb fuck, KR actually put out their years-long patches. That's the difference between you two.

>>2115404
he was talking about TNO not KR

>>2115410
He's comparing the two. Read the post.

>>2115416
yea you're arguing with the screenshot but he'll never see this

>V&J from 5+ paths to 2 + AI only skeletons
I can see it from a mile away.

>>2115417
Making fun of screenshots of people being insane on Discord that'll never see it is the bread and butter of these threads though. Picrel.

>>2115421
Nah Bormann only, Speer demo, three incomplete skeletons that are hard coded to not be able to win the GCW replacement minigame. Calling it. That's where we're at.

Does anyone have the uncensored version of this old gem? https://files.catbox.moe/jshc4w.mp4

>>2115432
Never understood this kateryna post. Whats even the lore behind this

>>2115463
He tried suing a fan wiki of TNO for “plagiarism” (still no proof of this, btw)

>>2115463
>Kateryna is a retarded midwit
>Kateryna gets mad at a fan Wiki
>Kateryna threatens a lolsuit against them over some article featuring something he worked on
>One of the people maintaining the fan Wiki that got threatened with said lolsuit leaks the message
>Kateryna is now mostly known for being a retarded midwit that threatens bogus lolsuits against fan Wikis
>Kateryna will never be loved like Ashley
It's really just dumb Discord drama. It mostly just gets brought up a lot because it's absurd enough to be funny.

>>2115472
Imagine wanting to sue someone over dome wiki article about Romania. We ar ereaching levels of unemployment never seen before

>>2115432
is kateryna a transgender?

>>2115513
Discord moderator so place your bets.

>>2112800
>Ever wonder why Brazil's update was rushed?
it was 2 years late what the fuck do you mean cuz

>>2115560
>Released with tons of missing/broken loc
>Not properly playtested
>Tons of bugs on release
It was rushed and the team being told that their entire intro would soon be invalid due to DV definitely played a role in it.

>>2115350
back again, but they were never told anything other than to fuck off in increasingly more crude ways
>>2115363
i was told there has been at least a few on other submods but none as big as eaw

>>2115567
Did they actually try to get back into the EaW server or am I reading this wrong?

>>2115578
qpq tried to use the partnership to get unbanned

what they did try over a talk was to pry information about who the dev was since they could not find out themselves

>>2115586
What an asshole. Imagine being that shameless and skeevy over a modding grudge.

>when you're such a repulsive clique of toxic faggots that even the love and peace and hugs horsefucker hugbox crowd hates your fucking guts and constantly shittalks you in public

Bravo QPQ! Bravo! Another stunning achievement for your mod's development!

Reminder that Nu-TNO devs are going to rework (remove) the Russian Reunification wars.

"Russian reunification by warring states is unrealistic as the entirety of Russia is still de jure under the Soviet Union. The various warlords on the map are just gameplay representation of separatists and ongoing rebellions. With that precedent Russian reunification as a concept is unnecessary as the Soviet Union is already technically as a single entity on the world map. The new Soviet Times of Troubles mechanic will give each rebel and separatist factions decisions to spread their influence to usurp the Soviet government. Conflicts are still present for more chauvinistic groups such as the AB, but instead of declaring wars this will be done by investing infantry equipment and other military equipments (tanks and support) in a decision minimap to take over neighbouring provinces and states."

>>2115592
maybe there is something to the accusations and rumours that came out then

no that would be impossible because we all know qpq and the clique run a perfect team with absolute harmony and friendship

>>2115600
Post proof

>>2115600
Who the fuck asked for this?!!

>>2115592
I thought that was impossible but no they managed to piss off literally everyone.

>>2115600
I doubt even Corn would do that. But in a world with DV and Guangdong being deleted who even knows any more.

Timetravel has given me a look at TNO in the future

The New Order: Last Days of Europe - v1.47.0 "Mango for President"

Major Additions
- 6 Years of Content for Nixon up to the 1968 Election
- 2 Years of Content for Bhutan to the Treaty of New Delhi
- Added Content for transition trees from Nixon to JFK
- Full content for Denmark to the 1973 Fuckkrieg Crisis

Minor Aditions
- Dozens of new events and interactions for Denmark in regard to Germany
- A revamped skeleton for Britain up to 1972
- A revamped skeleton for the United States after the 1965 or 1969 Inaugurations
- A revamped skeleton for Japan to the Great Asian War
- Revamped Chinese region
- Modified content to account for Denmark
- Changed states to better fit historical and realistic provincial boundaries
- Changed the starting map to prepare for reworked China content
- Buffed the GEACPS against Yunnan

Bug Fixes
- Fixed Nixon not always nuking Haiti
- Fixed typos for the USA
- Restored decisions about Speidel

>>2115655
The sad part is that I think you're overselling it.

>>2115657
underselling*

>>2115658
No, overselling. It'll be way worse.

>>2115664
It will be basically this but no denmark content, so just removal of current content to add some shithole nation focuses and making more countries skeleton on the process

How long until TNO is just a sandbox with no focus trees but every tag has a skeleton?

>>2115680
The team will disband over Internal political squabbles before they finish that.

Red italy is real and TNO devs killed it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8Lf7FRtnEI

>>2115689
It's unbelievable that PW content had full loc for Italy and yet was discarded by nudevs. Thank the old devs for making Guangdong in time to avoid being deleted by nudevs, otherwise we wouldn't even have that.

>>2115696
That's happened to lots of tags. Far along, then deleted by a filthy nudev. A friend of theirs then starts to make a wiki scrape skeleton. Then the usual lies are trotted out. "No progress was made", "they never did any work", "nothing was coded", and so on. Every single time. And they'll keep telling these lies even when the playable build leaks.

>>2115138
>Reworks Germany because they were "doomed to fail" before
>every path now ends in some sort of democracy or communist takeover

bravo, Nudevs!

>>2115689
Do you remember that one time when they effectively disbanded the Red Italy team by forcing them into some kind of ghetto while waiting to be permitted to have an actual dev channel? Sure feels even more rotten now knowing that the fucking assholes deleted a fully functional build. Fuckers.

>>2115701
nu devs don't even know how to pull from a git so they might truly believe that there was no code

>>2115718
No we have way too many proven cases of them lying about it. Remember when all old Moskowien content was deleted? Then they said that nothing was planned and the old dev just made things up at random for years. They even specifically said that it was "loosely planned" around the GCW happening. But we know that the old plans had hundreds of pages of documentation that dwarfed the nudev plan without the civil war and we know that things were planned around GCW and then KZ for years because the Germany devniggers lied about everything needing to be reworked over it.

>>2115710
>every path now ends in some sort of democracy or communist takeover
Let's count
1. Himmler victory
2. Himmler coup'd by Bormann
3. Heydrich (no indication of what happens post-oil crisis for this one)
4. Bormann Wegener coup leads to party collapse and democracy or possible revolution if lost 2wrw and couldn't keep dissent down
5. Bormann victory leads to Eigruber (socrev)
6. Bormann victory leads to Klopfer (orthodox)
7. Bormann victory leads to Biedenkopf (technocrat) who if he wins 2wrw either defangs the party or is replaced, or democracy + possible revolution if lost 2wrw and couldn't keep dissent down
8. Goering is unknown
9. Speer fails and is coup'd by Oberlander (heterodox nazism)
10. Speer succeeds but is replaced by Pape (strasserist)
11. Speer succeeds
12. Speer succeeds but is replaced by Biedenkopf who presumably proceeds like path 7
13. Speer is coup'd by Go4/Kiesinger who does democracy
14. Speer is coup'd by Kiesinger and something else happens (could be nazi countercoup or communist one)
15. Speer is coup'd by industrialists

So all in all we have 9 paths where the NSDAP stays in charge (1-3, 5, 6, 9, 10, 11, 15)
4 paths which end in democracy or commie revolution (4, 7, 12,13), two of which (7 and 12) is gatekept behind losing the 2wrw, otherwise its just possibly technocratised/cucked nsdap. Also in all democratic paths except 13 you can elect Remer and set up the fourth reich.
And then 2 paths that are unknowns (8, 14) which could end up in either category, with Goring likely having multiple paths/endings down the line if he doesn't get cut altogether.

>>2115729
Next year the flowchart will be completely different and none of this will be close to releasing

>>2115753
So were you speculating that in the future every path will end in some sort of democracy or communist takeover? Or are you just retarded in general?

>>2110670
Erm chud, if its not made by Chink then its not heckin valid. Anyways, here's our 10181919 update relating to Liechtenstein skeleton content

>>2115757
God you're autistic.

>>2115566
Only 5 events, all fixed in the first hotfix btw

>>2115689
Retarded newfag this build was the same one that was leaked literally years ago. We all got to play it. We all got to see their plans. It's nothing new. Fuck off and let the oldhead adults talk, kiddo.

>>2115795
Be nicer to newfags anon. Though yes, this did seem to be the old build, which basically ran under fumes until the war with Germany

>>2115802
>Be nicer to newfags
No
Newfags are to be bullied. It's basic ettiquette. Otherwise they get uppity and ruin the thread.

>>2115824
Where do you think you are?

>>2115655
>18 years of playable content
lol you wish

>>2115795
I don't even want to know how empty your life has to be even by /vst/ standards to get elitist about when you got into TNO leaks of cut content.

How do I install the latest version of TNO Rises again?

I'm doing a video on Rises Again, but the first bit is going to be going over some of the current dev drama. So far I'm gonna mention:
>Throwing out complete content for reworks in England and Germany
>Penelope's Web being almost finished and tossed out
>QPQ harassing an EAW dev, making EAW cut ties with TNO
What other shit did nuDevs pull (especially stuff that makes them look terrible)?

>>2115928
Either get the Git version or search for that name on Steam. It's that easy.

>>2115931
I'd recommend:
>Devs planning/wanting to remove Guangdong
>DV integration being mostly about nepotism since Calph is friends with Mango
>While not Rises Again related directly, Requiem announced cooperation with the Free France submod - which TNO devs shunned and destroyed through DV
>A lot of the leaked V&J content being extremely unfinished despite having been in rework hell for years
>When DV was announced they mass-censored all messages on Reddit that weren't fawning for a while; contrast with Twitter reaction
>Censoring all discussions of Rises Again, Requiem and any other "problematic" mods on Reddit
>Iberian Wars content and much more being incorporated by Rises Again, saving lots of nearly finished trees from becoming lost media

Last part is the one I'd hammer home the hardest because the dev isn't some kind of genius he's just a chill guy that picked up lots of nearly-finished content that TNO threw out. I'd strongly recommend that you register a KF account and ask him what contents he managed to save because there's a lot.

>>2115940
The problem with the steam version is there's no content for schoerner, should I go for git in that case? If so, how do I install that version.

By the way, what's currently in Rises Again.

>>2115941
I don't remember, the dev mostly just puts up notes on Kiwi Farms but I don't read those boards with any regularity and documentation is quite sparse outside of that. I wish the guy maintaining the Steam page would do a better job about keeping track of that.

>>2115931
>>2115940
Yay, more disinformation for the plebs! Yippie!

Based devs baiting commies to spend months working on commiewank Italy just to pull the rug out of their feet at the last moment

>>2115985
Disinformation? You mean like the time when the despicable devniggers denied the US rework and DV integration into the last and still try to cover up parts of both?

>>2116000
Wait, nudevs are the good guys all this time?

>>2116086
No because they just made far less interesting libwank instead.

what happened to the 2WRW Tukhachevsky anyway? I remember how it was supposed to be him that will receive an update before ultimately being switched by Yazov

>>2116108
The dev just left and no one that was still around wanted to work on it at the time and eventually it fell on the wayside.

>>2110692
You just made have a University project management class PTSD flareup.

>>2110481 (OP)
Five just pinged everyone in Requiem to announce that the Free France mod just released.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3545177675
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3545747709

>>2116155
Quite different from TNO just deleting their teasers from Reddit in their DV damage control phase. Well good on them, hope it gets ported over to Requiem soon.

Just reading this thread and I have zero familiarity with what is being discussed, why has no one done an RTS that runs across google maps?, I mean all the river and roads and elevations are there as well....anyway just planting seeds, something close combat style would style would be neat

>>2110692
Agile is for worthless faggots though anon. Waterfall built all the great software that evil was outside of solo runs on caffine and nicotine

>>2115985
Disinformation? Like how the TNO Devs compulsively lie about any rework they think will be controversial? How they literally do the
>it's not happening and you're a conspiracy theorist
>it's happening and it's actually a good thing you stupid chuds
meme unironically?

>>2116212
real talk, the devcord switching from saying dv would never be integrated because it would break the lore of multiple countries and necessitate even more reworks, as well as being uninspired as hell to glazing dv, claiming that it's totally unique and not 'wow, i cant believe its not otl' and that calph is such a smart and sexy person feels literally orwellian
i know the term is overused but it gives off we have always been at war with eurasia, eastasia is our doubleplus plusgood ally, to we have always been at war with eastasia, eurasia is our doubleplus plusgood ally vibes

>>2115940
>really cool RGoC setup there
I dread to imagine what's cooler than Japanese cyberpunk corporate state in the Pearl Delta that's trying to figure out what its identity is so it can become more than just a colony.

>>2116214
Maybe the dev diary won them over like it did for me? Did you think of that?

>>2116254
>Everyone was just compelled by the brilliant words of the TNO devs to drop everything they were doing and do a 180 towards the new party line
I have a bridge to sell you, anon.

>>2116155
the chinese will make content for every nation in the world before tno releases another update

>>2116344
And it will be better content than the OTL-slop they make. Still bitter they basically just did OTL mexico.
At least swith out the leftists for fascists or something come on.

>>2116210
i need you to join the dev team

>>2116155
This 1 autist has 38+ translation mods.

>Note: A DMCA Notice of Copyright Infringement has been filed on this item. Valve will review the complaint and reach out to the person who posted this item and provide details and information on the next steps.
Does this mean the TNO devs are trying to get it taken down, or something?

event spam in that submod is crazier than base tno

>>2116443
Someone's launched a wave of false DMCA claims on hoi4 mods

>>2116443
it's a DMCA troll, just ignore it.

>>2116443
The country of France is my OC and i hate that every history game has stolen it without crediting me

>>2116446
>>2116447
Devnigger alert.

>>2116443
>>2116451
TNO got hit by a DMCA takedown too so that ain't it chief. It's the DMCA troll gang again. Every single major mod got hit at the same time. I know TNO devs are often full of it but they wouldn't strike themselves.

Youtube leaker posted collection of the mechanics and focus trees coming in the v&j, including the space mechanic. Unfortunately, most of it is in chinese, so if someone could translate part of it would be very apreciated

https://youtu.be/mtZ4N5RVa2Q?si=AfOOna4IAcGCXFMC

>>2116487
Looking at the US leak in May, it seems extremely underdeveloped, with no one having a complete, coded focus tree. The only thing they did in the dev diary was add some icons for the 64 presidential candidates, but I doubt they've made much progress considering this leak is less than 3 months old. I highly doubt this will launch in 2026, since not even the 1964 candidates are close to being ready, imagine the other 30 presidents they're planning.

https://youtu.be/yu2YlfwXITM?si=ucHe_-qqqAQl-0se

>>2116492
>I highly doubt this will launch in 2026
Not at the rate they're bleeding actual talent, no.

>>2116493
Also consider that Germany's 2023 build was much closer to being playable than Yippie's is now, yet it still hasn't released, and it's been 2 years since that build. Yippie doesn't even have 64 Nixon coded lol. They just said late 2026 to hype people up and get everyone hopeful, because there's no chance of this releasing in less than 2 years, and by then I don't think Mango will even be on the team anymore, since he'll probably have to get a job at some point.

In the end, they have no coders. Their team has hundreds of people, but there must be about 20 programmers (their github has 24 people lol). All the good guys left a long time ago, another reason for no update from Russia, since they literally have no coders since the only guy left about 2 years ago and they haven't been able to find anyone.

>>2116492
for 2026 you will get Bormann and maybe Speer.
rest of the führer candidates/paths being skeletons for the AI.
Burgundy full/partial removal.

>>2116497
Burgundy is being completely removed. I really thought last year they were ready to release V&J this year. How wrong I was. They haven't even finished Bormann yet, while Speer must be what, halfway done? Like, in 2023 it was 50% finished, now it's about 65%. If they release Bormann alone, it's a sign they're desperate, since they said a hundred times they wouldn't do it, but I don't see any other alternative, since Speer isn't even close to being playable (just look at the guy who leaked here that Speer only has 1/5 of Bormann's locs). Heydrich focus tree isnt even coded, Himmler and Goering are skeleton, so yeah, we wont get them.

>>2116508
Heydrich at least has focuses with icons, Himmler doesn't even have those.

Heydrich is not coded tough. His focuses have no effects and the icons were added just to make the teasers. I doubt they will make his full path for v&j release, at max 3 month tree and thats it

>>2114998
See this. German dev leaked that heydrich has no loc made

lmao
The Dev Seethe is off the charts, they are all expecting it to implode or to be composed out of nazis or both

>>2116652
yep

>>2116569
>At least they bothered to set up some smoke and mirrors!

>>2116652
>All these failures that achieved absolutely nothing or had everything they worked on deleted rooting for a mod to fail
These are the pettiest, saltiest people on the planet and it's lovely to see how bitter and sad they are. By the way someone with a Xitter post this to Ugli, he seems to have forgotten how much of a failure he is.

>>2116659
>Nothing after 2020 will ever be iconic or even be discussed
I'd say after Silicon Dreams. Yeah, dumbass, your content won't be remembered. Mexico's 300 minigames aren't better or more iconic than Taboritsky. People play a war simulation game to have fun, not to play five simultaneous minigames with unfinished content in boring countries.

>>2116652
>Last post
What even is the problem with that if the nation is nazi aligned.

>>2116652
>neo nazis
>in the TNO timeline
what?

>>2116662
the minigames themselves arent even the problem but the fact that no matter what you do with them the same things happen anyway. they dont make meaningful choices

>>2116666
Its because they only add OTL leaders, so adding any not mainstream leader for they is something revolutionary

>>2116670
I would also say they add many overwhelming minigames just for the sake of it. They add like a complex hunger minigame for Ukraine where you need to micromanage the economy, just to have railroaded paths that will end up being annexed by Germany no matter what, with no content after 3 years

>>2116487
Nigger this shit was already leaked months ago. The space mechanic is in the fucking OP, stop reposting stuff.

>>2116662
He's the Russia lead that initiated all those reworks in the first place. He never worked on Guangdong and therefore his statement is correct: nothing he worked on will ever be remembered.

>>2116652
>very concerningly
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwrZxbsFVa8

>>2116652
>fuck it America starts under Yockey
This would unironically be better than the gay Yippe update where he is just being entirely cut and America will only be able to alternate between 6 million subideologies of liberalism and conservatism

>>2116652
What makes this even funnier is they lack context entirely

>free france submod for TNO, not TNO Requiem released
>Five promotes it on Requiem, lets everyone know and tells them to go play the original TNO with the submod on
>these people seem to assume that Requiem made it themselves and also must be nazi's because ??????

Idiots. Pure idiots who cant make anything themselves but root for others to fail like the absolute worst kind of people.

>>2116869
Reminds me of that Pol Pot thing someone posted earlier: >>2115378
>Let's make up a stupid thing on purpose!
>More interesting than what we're actually doing
Would fash America at the start be stupid? Yes.
Could it be far more interesting than what they're making? God yes!
Just imagine the new and unique stories you could tell in that setting. A lib coming to power at the end then would actually matter and not just be the 4th otl president in a row. Historical figures could be resistance fighters and the salty fags would even be justified to write all those America bad events. Instead we get endless libwank and Republicans being worse than Bormann for opposing abortion.

>>2116872
>Both much D's get treated like shit by TNO
>Still work within the setting
>Promote it for mainline TNO in the meantime, helping the main mod alongside your partner
>TNO devs shit on them for effectively promoting their own mod
lmao it's completely comical how petty and stupid they are. I didn't even realize that. This is why they never release anything but still find the time to start drama with EaW.

>>2115378
I mean, it could be easily reworked into legitimate content for Japan to deal with as part of a broader Indochinese Crisis. Considering this is supposed to be a war game.
Nazi Saloth Sâr is a harder thing, but it can be contrived, if not, the regular communist suffices. Or hell, it doesn't need to be Saloth Sâr, Politique Potentielle can be anyone. You could absolutely make it work. Buff the shit out of the Khmer Gris so it takes a lot of effort to quash, make a short focus chain about finding out who the fuck even heads it and, when completed, launch a decapitation strike that weakens them.

>>2116904
People said the same thing when the meme was originally posted a few months back. It's a joke post but just with a small amount of work and some grounding you could have the whole thing come off as perfectly fine content that's far more interesting than whatever they're doing. Ie, 10 year skeleton that changes a leader that then does nothing every 5 years via RNG.

>>2116880
It’s mind boggling to me that these people can take 1960s America, the most chaotic and politically radical period since the Civil War, in a Axis victory timeline nonetheless, and all they want to work on, the only stories they want to tell, is endless republican and democrat paths. I mean hell the Bring the War Home mod is open leftist propaganda and of course it will never release, but it at least does the period justice with showing just how insane it was. Like just imagine what people like Charles Manson or the Weathermen or the Black Panthers would get up to in a world where Germany won, imagine a US military coup path for if you fuck up enough proxy wars (IIRC during Vietnam there was a feeling of disconnect between Washington and the MACV who felt like the politicians didn’t understand the situation and were making bad decisions.) All I can say is they must be incredibly boring people IRL lol

>>2116869
America should start under a one party dictatorship because Roosevelt decided to go full Mussolini in the 40s.

>>2116922
>All I can say is they must be incredibly boring people IRL lol
They're all VOOT BLUE NO MATTER WHO radlibs

>>2110481 (OP)
Why did they flood the Mediterranean?

>>2116937
Removing Atlantropa was the foot in the door the current nudev clique used to take power and rework everything that's 'unrealistic' (not made by them in accordance to their personal politics at the time) out

>>2116932
Yeah I’ve noticed over the past like 3 years there’s these weird types of liberals are obsessed with centrist politics and American legalism. idk if they have always been around and I’m only noticing it now or it’s a new thing but either way the devs behind the new USA lore seem to fall into that category

>>2116941
I wouldn't call them centrists, but yeah. They're weirdly obsessed with US government protocol. Hence Hall being installed on a weird technicality nobody but an autist obsessed with American legalism would know about.

>>2116943
By “centrist” I meant they tend to hyperfixate on people like Bush, Clinton, Nixon, and Trump rather than, say, Ross Perot or Ralph Nader. It’s a shame they won’t just fuck off to TCT because the whole “you have to really fuck up and tear America apart in order to elect the extremist candidates, but you can do it if you want to” was one of my favorite parts of TNO

>>2116652
obummer is kinda right in the sense that one of TNO's biggest problems was overpromising and underdelivering (remember the roadmap?) and Requiem would do well not to repeat that mistake (i. e. not announcing a bajillion updates at once and not dividing their team into dozens of subteams each working on their own little project)
t. someone who likes Requiem and wants it to succeed

>>2116970
>t. devnigger
ftfy

>>2116970
I'd agree in theory but most of it is integrating submods which seems to be going decent enough with the announced ones and they outlined why their in-house content shouldn't take as long (ie got rid of the nudev clique). So there's reason to be positive, albeit cautiously. Only thing that looks like it won't make it is the US rework because of its scope and how it deliberately sets out to not re-use anything.

>>2116978
Nah not a devnigger it's perfectly fine to be worried about these things because of how badly TNO failed. But we only need to look at mods like TFR and RD to see that TNO is the anomaly and that their dev practices are to blame.

>>2116988
Yap yap yap. You sure love words too much. Smells likedevnigger, talks like devnigger, looks like devnigger... You know the rest

God I hate how TNO:R devs give you the nudevnigger answer when you ask if Atlantropa's gonna return

>>2116978
>>2116996
"devnigger! devnigger! devnigger!"

This isn't fucking stalinism, well meaning good faith criticism is good and necessary to prevent a catastrophe like what the actual devniggers have been doing for the past 5 years

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3545177675
>yet ANOTHER chinese submod that completely blows the faggot devs out of the water

>>2117021
take that criticism somewhere that isn't a tiny 4chan board
take it to the TNO:R discord or something god damn

>>2116970
It will work out in the end. Quite a few of the integrations are already existing submods, which should take almost no time.

>>2116996
>>2117032
No we'll talk about that mod just like any other, pros and cons alike, thank you very much. Stop being so touchy and alarmist about everything especially when a mod's at least trying to do right by its community.

>>2117016
They already said no. The one leak we got wasn't for Atlantropa returning but for a mechanic to see what Iberia would do with the dam.

>>2117039
It wasn't part of the announcement but the Goering submod already has a Requiem version and that's just weeks away from them splitting off.

>>2116652
>Suspiciously well-researched Nazis
>Researching the Nazis in your mod that includes Nazi factions is bad, actually
Commen devnigger self-own.

>>2117057
It's only good when we do it! When anyone else researches the Nazis, they're actually closet Nazis! Not us, though! We're good little radlibs!

>>2117059
>We're not the Nazis
>Makes Hitler the great emancipator of the Slavic peoples
lmao the shit these radlibs make up in their echo chamber

Does Requiem even have a good direction or will it just collapse like all the others?

>>2117063
They posted all their plans the other week. They're integrating two submods that add Russian unifiers, another that adds Free France and they've actually released content so they're already ahead of the others. Don't think they'll collapse, they already had their schism (over the fucking ODF map) and seem to have survived that.

>>2117060
Lol they're litteraly embracing neo-nazi propaganda

>>2117067
Nah Free France one wasnt integration, that was cooperation i think

>>2117022
>Free france is actually ambiguous instead of le evil colonizers against le wulsome pan-africans
I love the chinese

>>2117168
>niggers
Is that even allowed???

>>2117168
Cue feigned devnigger outrage and real takedown attempts in order to save DV in 3... 2... 1...

>>2117168
phew..

>>2117193
damn they removed it already? tno won again

>>2117060
Crazy how a bunch of libs whitewashed actual nazis more than neo nazis themselves. >>2116943
It's the same with removing NPP (which is just a more populist and extremist version of the OTL Dems). At their core, they can't imagine a world where US politics are radically altered. And tbqh, a loss after mobilization and conscription in WW2 would 100% shake up US politics, though in an unpredictable manner.

>>2117193
I will occupy and create a french ethnostate in africa but I would never ever say nigger

>>2117060
wait, isnt that the guy who wanted to remove guangdong?

>>2117203
They did this to create an equivalent between the US, Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan, which is as retarded as it sounds. Its like "We know that the Germans killed millions of Jews and Slavs, while the Japanese performed chemical tests on thousands of Chinese and raped tens of thousands of women and children, but the US is also the villain! They gassed the UK because yes"

>>2117216
The sad thing is, theres an obvious way to do that. Just have the USA be a more segregated hellhole, where any form of Rights for the Minorities isnt even thought about by the current admin.

>>2117193
>requiem already removing stuff
ahahahahahaha

>>2117216
The UK themselves planned to gas themselves to stop a sealion btw

>>2117216
They put japs in the concentration camps! They are just as bad!

>>2117231
>
Add normalized violence towards minorities and unions and there you have it, a US that's morally grey.
But I don't get why they have to readd the New Deal and then portray the US as "le super bad". You can do that by nullifying the New Deal via butterfly effect
It feels like their goals are mutually contradictory, like they went le wholesome liberals but also wanna portray the US as le bad. A non-new deal US that blackmails leftists by claiming the IJA and Nazis will be crueler and they are the "least bad option" is not a wholesome US by any means.

It's strange that Italy, a nation with the potential to be a parallel to OTL China, is relegated to the cuck chair while Germany and Japan are considered potential victors to the Cold War, like sure, the USA can fumble and tumble, but both of them are at the forefront of a war that can cause everything they worked for to come tumbling, regardless of being good or bad. Yet, Italy just sort of, has everything under control, unlike Germany who's seizure is caused by the failure of their system, or Japan's hypocrisy coming to bite them, and even the USA who has to watch the eggshells they tread to prevent the people back home from despairing, Italy just sort of watches and gets away with what they do.

>>2117250
I mean in a no-new-deal universe can be called bad, AND the libs can be the good guys. "Look guys we're not just the best of the rest, we truly are the best!"

>>2117243
That aint Requiem its a submod they are partnered with, and it was Negro all along not Nigger

>>2117168
Does the submod work with requiem or no?

>>2117266
you need regular tno, they're still working on integrating it because different map

>>2117243
>Thinks it's Requeim
>It's actually a submod for TNO
Mentally ill devnigger spotted. Come on, reveal yourself, which of the devniggers that didn't know this was a TNO submod are you? >>2116652

I give it a 8/10 so far.

It is infuriating in a way that you can never get a positive balance with your GDP, sure you are just a colony in bum fuck nowhere but having to run with a deficit of -17% per year is annoying.

The decision to remove the West African War from the proxy tab was a good idea, sure the OFN can give it's support along the build up to the war but it is much preferable to the "send your 3 chopper divisions to win" choice previously.

Surprised that France doesn't lend any help in the SAW, despite intervening in Madagascar previously l. Didn't get to see how the outcome of the Algerian conflict would influence my resistance contacts which is a shame, I guess Iberia is the most probable choice.

The West African war itself was easy enough although I got the easy path of only having to fight the Pan-Africanists, have to strike a balance with your horrible economy and having a decent enough army to fend everyone else off, the war also begins very quickly with local revolts in your allies that you have to put down to not have holes poked all around your frontline.

Story wise, a good portrayal of an entire faction rising from the ashes of war to reclaim their land but having to make various sacrifices along the way.

>>2117290
the war is way too easy, those 2 tanks just kill everything on the spot
it'll be good when they fix the translation, but kinda sad none of the mechanics matter for anything except giving buffs

>>2117294
>they fix the translation
currently it's a fan AI translation by an autist.

>>2117290
>>2117294
Sounds like a good experience all things considered. Shame about the war being too easy, but that's likely just because of the other tags being skeletons in West Africa. afaik they're helping out the Russian mods with their translations, so hopefully they can help with the Chinese translations as well.

Still, crazy to think that TNO tried to shut these people down at least on the Reddit.

>>2115215
>The guy writes his code by hand, I think he'd rather do code work than sit around in the store with nothing going on.
Is this some kind of achievement now

>>2117408
Reads more like a statement of fact about autism really.

>>2117408
No, its a testament of how the *coder* probably would prefer to *code* rather than... idk, work overtime in a probably low paying job?

>mlp has a hoi4 mod
why cant there be a deltarune/undertale hoi4 mod

>>2117509
wrong thread and because neither of those have "countries"

>>2117512
oh fuck I joined the wrong thread

>>2117509
I was thinking about it and couldn't come with an appropriate setup and game design so I abandoned it. I was thinking about
1. Making map of undertale into the world map but it would look weird and there wasn't much room for content or wars besides just frisk advancing and eating states one by one
2. Making a prequel|sequel about a war between humans and monsters. This would be pretty hard since humans have no lore written about them and would require too much fanfiction

>requiem had the n word in it
I hope it gets banned off the workshop

>>2117515
>1. Making map of undertale into the world map but it would look weird and there wasn't much room for content or wars besides just frisk advancing and eating states one by one
Solution:
You can always set it 30 years before canon undertale. That way theres enough years before frisky bits appears
And for content you can include the fan games. Undertale yellow added a lot of content to the ut universe. Theres also undertale green (but you gotta do some canon fixing on that.) And theres also deltarune with its implications of the underground (noelle, susie and etc exist in the underground)
> Making a prequel|sequel about a war between humans and monsters. This would be pretty hard since humans have no lore written about them and would require too much fanfiction
tbf zebrica and grifonnia is mostly fanficiton.

>>2117566
>requiem are racist

>>2117566
That's a submod for TNO you retarded cunt.

>>2117606
They promoted it, it's their responsibility.

>>2117609
>Its their responsibility that a translation patch for a submod for TNO has a naughty word in it
Just admit that you're a retard, that you had no idea and that your attempt to stir shit has failed. We already know that TNO devs are the only people stupid enough not to understand that it's a TNO submod: >>2116652

>>2117612
What drama? I've never seen these people get mentioned here. Does he just mean general TNO drama? Understandable if so, TNO has far more drama than actual releases.

>>2117606
It will be a Requiem submod in the future though

>>2117691
>My botched attempt at dramamongering will be somewhat closer to reality several weeks from now

>>2117697
This is such a retarded attempt to stir drama around a mod that you hate. You didn't even know it was a TNO submod a few hours ago: >>2117566

>>2117691
Ah so right now it isnt a submod for Reqiuem and thus, TNO should be held responsible for the racist and offensive content of a submod for the mod and thus TNO should be removed from the steam workshop for racism. I hope Corn and company learn their lesson on enabling racist submods for their mod to exist and for them to be held accountable.

:^)

That submod has the n word and also "black people", I think it's pretty clearly a racist mod.
Shame on Requiem for even thinking of integrating it.

>>2117733
Honestly I'd take that deal if that means Requiem also gets nuked

>>2117751
But why

>>2117781
He's a TNO devnigger that's perpetually salty and addicted to drama.

>>2117569
>You can always set it 30 years before canon undertale.
There's literally zero lore about that time period. That's not a solution since it makes everything even harder.
>And for content you can include the fan games.
No I can't since most of the creatures aren't suited to be turned into countries since they're le heckin random memes with 4 lines of dialogue. And most of the fangames have different lore written about them and are just fights with sans and it's impossible to integrate all of them without turning it into a shitpost mod where underfell sans fights dusttrust papyrus or something
>Undertale yellow
Kill yourself.
>And theres also deltarune with its implications
That's an alternate universe that has nothing to do with undertale.

In conclusion undertales world building is very rudimentary and can't be suited for nation management game since it requires to imagine everything from scratch at which point it stops being undertale and becomes it's own OC

>>2117612
Was hoping requim would just eat them

>>2117802
>That's an alternate universe that has nothing to do with undertale.
Theres evidence suggesting susie, noelle, and certain deltarune characters do exist in the undertale universe. I was referring to that. CHaracters like mayor holiday would have a lot of potential
>And most of the fangames have different lore written about them and are just fights with sans and it's impossible to integrate all of them without turning it into a shitpost mod where underfell sans fights dusttrust papyrus or something
Which is why I specified yellow and green. Im not talking about the lel underfell sans or dustrust papyrus meme battles. Im talking about the more completed large fangames based on one human soul. The ones that develop and expand sections of the underground (like uty did with the dunes) And then editing out the lore contradictions between them. (at most this would be 7 fangames)
>Kill yourself.
Dude its a decent fan game even with its problems. Im suprised theres still yellow hate even after all this time.
>other stuff
Other stuff I will respond later since I need to sleep

>>2117822
>Theres evidence suggesting susie, noelle, and certain deltarune characters do exist in the undertale universe
And? They're just civilians without any political power. Hamfisting them into the setting where they never appear is a poor move.
>Which is why I specified yellow and green
Okay so it will just be asgore waiting every 10 years for human invasion which is a poor concept since there's little room for conflict and focus trees since the world will be entirely static until the human arrives since undertales universe is very poorly thought out.
>Dude its a decent fan game even with its problems. Im suprised theres still yellow hate even after all this time.
It's a furry slop and furries aren't humans. I'm not going to add any non-canon furry fetish garbage. Never
>Other stuff I will respond later since I need to sleep
You don't need to. You can make your own mod and prove me wrong. But most likely it'll be dogshit.

>>2117823
Yeah this is never happening.

>>2117830
>They're just civilians without any political power. Hamfisting them into the setting where they never appear is a poor move.
Mayor holiday is the powerful mayor of hometown. It wouldnt be that out of place if ut mayor holiday does have political power. Which would then in turn give characters like dess and noelle access to political power, etc etc
>It's a furry slop and furries aren't humans. I'm not going to add any non-canon furry fetish garbage. Never
Its a decent game with a overall good narrative. Out of all the complaints, why did you focus on something as superficial as furry?
>since there's little room for conflict and focus trees since the world will be entirely static until the human arrives since undertales universe is very poorly thought out.
Which is why I mentioned the fangames. Yellow sets up potential conflicts and storyline focus trees with the existance of chujin, steamworks, dunes and etc. CHujin and the steamworks adds a lot to the ut universe.
>. But most likely it'll be dogshit.
okay then i accept your challenge

>>2117861
>Its a decent game with a overall good narrative. Out of all the complaints, why did you focus on something as superficial as furry?
You know why.

>>2117846
Never happening.

>>2117881
I suppose I do. Though I will admit yellow does have a lot of furry shit.
Da roba is a generic fox furry lmfao