Thread 2124355

FUCKING APOLOGIZE

>>2124355 (OP)
gothic something something
kino
we were too harsh

NO WHERE IS MY CAVILL W40K KINO YOU FUCKING FAGGOTS

We lived long enough to witness the fall.
A strange privilege, quiaff?

>>2124355 (OP)
No. They tried to make it a moba where your objective is to kill the other team's core and you win.

>>2124355 (OP)
For what? I bought it, I played it, I stopped playing it before I hit 10 hours, never went back. I gave it a chance and it failed me.

>>2124355 (OP)
Always was a shit game, always will be, regardless of how much others shit the bed with the passage of time.

>>2124355 (OP)
You're not getting a redemption arc motherfucker.

>>2124355 (OP)
Even the devs admit they were wrong by dropping the mobashit gameplay in 4 and going back to dow1

someone needs to make a dawn of war 4 chad logo

>>2124355 (OP)
Stop posting this thread every week you hopeless faggot

>>2124355 (OP)
it sucks but seeing the reaction to IV i feel that a lot of the hate was DoW2 fags being upset about basebuilding being back in

>>2125328
Stop trying to stir up shit by rewriting history. People hated it because it felt like a mobile game with dogshit DOTA elements.

>>2125912
>mobile game with dota elements
Such as?

So the new game looks bad, AND this game is bad. What's there to apologize for? It's shit all the way down.

>>2126811
>Lanes
>Defence towers
>Emphasis on hero units
>No buildable turrets
>No sync kills to appeal to the esports crowd

This game okay, I enjoyed what I played of it. Did not touch MP though and I am really bad at RTS games.

>>2127275
>Lanes
Not a thing
>Defence towers
Static defense was a thing in DoW1 but not in DoW2 because the latter was a MOBA game. And you can maybe not play the game mode that starts you off with defensive structures.
>Emphasis on Hero Units
Interesting. Let's compare the SM Heroes in DoW1 to DoW3. Force Commander, Librarian, Chaplain, each with their own unique abilities you had to micro. Additionally you could also have 3 apothecaries. In DoW3 you have a choice of 3 heroes (which can be turned off). DoW had a much bigger focus on the Hero because it's a MOBA game, therefore your choice of hero influences a big part of your game, from the beginning to the end.
>No Buildable turrets
Ah so static defense is good now?
>No sync kills
Who the fuck's zooming in and watching individual units in an RTS to notice if they have some over the top kill animation? This isn't a mobile MOBA game.

>>2124355 (OP)
It will be forever groxshit. FRACK YOU HERETIC!

>>2127434
>Not a thing
Actually they are.
>Static defense was a thing in DoW1 but not in DoW2 because the latter was a MOBA game.
DoW2 was a CoH game and the towers in the literal MOBA mode of DoW3 act like MOBA ones that take massive portions of health away from the hero.
>That whole shit about comparing DoW to a MOBA and using Space Marine characters to drive a point.
No and you are lying as fuck. The Force Commander, Librarian and Chaplain (along with the Apothecaries WHO ARE NOT HEROES) are all focused on supporting your army one way or another and they can die pretty fast since they are not one-man armies...unlike in DoW3 where the three hero units you choose before a fight ARE very strong while the normal mainline units die like flies.
>Ah so static defense is good now?
There is a difference between being able to build defensive structures that can help you in weathering an assault by being manually put in strategically vital points on the map and literal large cannons that disable the ability to early-rush your enemy.
>Who the fuck's zooming in and watching individual units in an RTS
A FUCKING LOT OF PEOPLE.

If you like 3, which is a MOBA-esque StarCraft II clone then go ahead and like it, I won't stop you. But stop being a lying arse and try to subvert the narrative with your disinformation.

>>2125912
>People hated it because it felt like a mobile game with dogshit DOTA elements.
As if only.
Not only the first skirmish mode was a fucking MOBA-inspired one, but the whole skill system tied to the hero units was utter nonsense (fucking having to equip an ability to allow Tacticals to USE FUCKING GRENADES instead of them having this as standard will never be NOT rage-inducing), but the head dev in an interview confirmed the whole damn team that made the game played StarCraft II as THE ONLY GAME. Hence why DoWIII feels so damn similar to it.
Not to mention resource collection being fucking slow compared to the previous games...

>>2126811
dow2

>>2125328
I hated DoW2 getting rid of basebuilding and I hated DoW3 being goofy cartoon slop and I will probably hate DoW4 for using nuhammer lore with primaris and suchlike.

>>2127734
DoW2 is not a MOBA. It's literally CoH: 40K Edition.

>>2127434
>thing was bad
>no ackshually thing didn't exist because i said so i'm trans btw

>>2124355 (OP)
I don't have to since I always liked it

>>2127548
DoW3 is a traditional RTS like DoW1. DoW2 is moba slop, so much so that it has a game mode where you only play as the heroes. This is an objective fact. You are a delusional mobafag who can't macro.

>>2128139
>Objective fact
DoWII is literally Company of Heroes: 40K Edition.
Down to including how vehicles work.
Also said game mode you think is MOBA is not. Last Stand is a fucking survival mode where you have to fight waves upon waves of enemies more and more powerful than the last wave.

DoWIII is a filthy StarCraft II clone (interview with the head dev had him pretty much say that it's all the whole team played) with a MOBA-esque day-1 game mode for multiplayer/skirmish.
Also DoWIII IS NOT a traditional RTS as it was with DoW. However DoW is far superior to it just by not being moronically designed.

The only delusional faggot who can't see the differences between the games and throws around terms with no thought at all is you.

>>2128189
>DoWIII is a filthy StarCraft II clone
Anon, people who are this blind on /vst/ ought to be shot.
DoW3 is DoW1 with
- DoWRetribution hero/elite squads
- 3-staged gameplay where the game changes costs and refunds on units to allow you to play tactical squads early and massive slugfests in late game
- active abilities in place of sync kills
If you want to compare it with old Blizzard classics, the only comparison is WC3.

>>2128194
No dude. It's literally a SCII clone.
WCIII at least has units that don't die from being sneezed at unlike in SCII where everything dies very fast.
Which is fucking jarring when Space Marines die stupidly fast despite having both supehuman physical toughness and power armor.
And don't you "tabletop accuracy" on me here with this, because in the previous two games Space Marines were much more hardier than that.

>>2128231
You're dead ass retarded

>>2128239
nta, but you're the one arguing that the greatest flop in the series is actually totally completely similar to the most successful one!
dow3 is garbage and we were right the first time. there is nothing to apologize for. fuck off.

>>2128239
The head dev literally stated that he and the rest of the team played only one and one RTS and it was StarCraft II of all fucking things.
A competent dev plays multiple games in order to fish out what was best from each and how to incorporate it.
They however played one game and it's less of a RTS and more of a micro click-fest.

So SHUT UP IGNORAMUS.

>>2128251
>dow3 is garbage
And wasted potential, and lore-rape and much more.
Ironic since one thing they got right were the ambience and most of the OST. Especially the Ork part of it.

>>2128189
DoW3 is a traditional RTS which has traditional RTS features such as:
1. High pop cap, letting you field large armies.
2. Low TTK, because units are numerous and expendable.
3. Base building, including forward factories.
4. Hero units which are optional and situational.
5. No Panic button (retreat)

DoW2 is a Lite MOBA, because it features MOBA elements such as:
1. Very low pop cap, including a one-hero only game mode.
2. High TTK because you're supposed to micro a few units like in a MOBA.
3.No base building.
4. Hero units which are always present.
5. Panic button for tards, similar to flash in LeL.

>>2124772
Its not even relic making it how can they admit they're wrong if they didn't do the wrong

>>2128296
>DoW3 is a traditional RTS
and a shit one at that
dow3 makes cnc4 look half decent

>>2127742
Base building being a crux for why people hate the game is so bizarre to me
>Isn't like age of empires or sc2 where you can build aggressively since there's a turret limit
>In dow1 it's janky as shit because pathing is awful and building is janky and the turret limit is kinda nonsensical
Literally all it exists for is to make overly large maps less miserable
Managing multiple same building types is fucking trash as only one building can be bound to one Ctrl group
I don't know a modern game that enables effective base building

>>2128318
>Turret limit
Which increases if you build another HQ, same as generators. Also turrets suck ass? And aren't worth shit unless you're playing against the AI or against someone who uses planes to backdoor your base, in which case you'd be building turrets in your base and not turret dropping.

>>2128344
>deep striking a turret on the objective in tier 1 sucks
???

>>2128296
>DoW3 is a traditional RTS
Again. Not traditional like the original DoW due to certain mechanics existing only for it.
Also it's so shit I literally refunded it before 2 hours passed.
Then out of sheer curiosity I pirated it...and couldn't get through the final missions because of how this bullshit pained my mind.
Like HOLY SHIT it was bad.
And no. Hero units are not situational here. They in fact slaughter mainline units like if they were in a Pinata store with the owner non-existent and with the Pinatas all loaded and ready to be smashed.

>DoW2 is a Lite MOBA
Again it's not even MOBA Lite you mongloid.
It's literally CoH: 40K Edition but it seems like you either never touched DoTA, LoL, or even HotS, or you are just fucking trolling.
By that fucking logic CoH is also a MOBA since it has most of the stuff you listed.
So kindly go and screw yourself with this retard logic.

>>2128357
DoW3 is an RTS.
DoW2 is an ASSFAGGOTS hero game with the quirk of having more than 1 controllable unit.

>>2128819
DoWIII is a shitty RTS and not even capable of reaching the same levels as the 1st game with a ASSFAGGOT day 1 skirmish mode.
DoWII is a RTT CoH clone.

Learn the fucking difference faggot.

>autist who spent almost a decade spamming gigachad + bad game meme tries to convince people that the game is actually good
Watch DoW IV outperform DoW III in like a week

>FUCKING APOLOGIZE
I'm sorry you have shit taste in games anon

this is like the same retard who makes doom 3 threads, they both suck

>>2124355 (OP)
It was shit.

>>2125328
As a dow2fag I admit I'm upset that the CoH style just isn't popular. But I understand that 4 seems to be the DoW2 that fans of 1 wanted all along.
That being said, 3 is irredeemable, so much effort and talent spent in all the wrong places.

Is this /vst/'s equivalent of that one indian that kept making Fallout 3 threads on /v/?

>>2129778
no because DoW3 is actually good

>>2129740
I do wish 4 was looking to take more from coh as well, but it looks like the retreat button is there which indicates that your squads will likely not be as expendable as in 1. You can see offmap abilities in the screenshots as well.

>>2129882
>your squads will likely not be as expendable as in 1
All your units in 4 can get veterancy (Total War style, apparently, where the difference between a newb and a veteran squad are very significant in performance), and it is confirmed that fully reinforcing a squad from 1 model remaining to full is much cheaper than a new squad, so unit preservation seems to be incentivized more than in 1, maybe as much as in 2. Especially given that the unit cap seems pretty huge, when you can easily field dozens of full SM squads and not hit it.

>>2124355 (OP)
gothic. atmosphere. kino.

>>2129878
Uh huh..

>>2129778
spot on

>>2124355 (OP)
Apologize for what, it still sucks

>>2129878

Go on then, tell us why, excluding the CG intro.

>>2130936
grimdark slideshows

>>2124355 (OP)
i will not, the game was only playable modded and even then it played halfassed because alot of the UI and elements of the game were limited for what you could actually do with them as a mod fuck relic for give shit tools

>>2124355 (OP)
No. Even if you somehow excused the gameplay, Relic dropped all support like less than 6 months after release.