Thread 2126484

To whomever keeps recommending these here: what the fuck is wrong with you? This is literally just "we have supreme commander at home". These games are inferior to supreme commander and forged alliance in literally every single possible aspect
>b-but muh 32 player skirmish!!!
so what? they are both boring, insanely ugly, soulless pieces of shit not worth anyone's time.
They are open source and as such, the essence of linux - ugly, janky, cheap copy of the original, but somehow with a sense of unjustified elitism
don't even get me started on the open source music and open source animations and open source non-existent debris and open source sound effects and open source cheap imitation gameplay

>>2126484 (OP)
>This is literally just "we have supreme commander at home".
Whoa whoa whoa! Slow down bessie. While I agree with the sentiment - BAR is most definitely "SupCom at home" - Zer0-K tries to be more "SupCom, with blackjack, and hookers". Both are rip-offs, but where BAR is a straight rip, Zero-K is a low budget knock-off trying to one-up its origin.

>>2126484 (OP)
tried to get into a bar game but it's so dumb and boring. there is no strategy there is only 1 way of playing and it's always the same. I've spectated dozens of games to learn the meta and build order but I never could play one myself because every lobby feels like a closed group and you're not welcome and the flags make it worse. the game is total garbage anyway, laggy, 1 dimensional, boring stressful and not fun. the economy part could have been completely removed it's so pointless and does nothing but waste time. the reclaim nonsense should have not been there and the revive nonsense is even worse. commanders should be removed, commander sniping win condition should be removed, commander nukes should be removed and the fucking commander d-gun should be removed.

>>2126484 (OP)
Call me when SupCom has a different scale and doesn't choke and fucking die to its own engine.

>>2129173
You're complete fucking dogshit at the game.

>>2126484 (OP)
mech sucks

>>2129179
>Call me when SupCom has a different scale
it's called SupCom 2. Go play it.

>>2129192
No, it's called Total Annihilation. SupCom 2 isn't even the same kind of RTS.

>>2126484 (OP)
It's total annihilation at home.
Also supcom is ugly, runs like absolute ass and crashes if you look at it funny. FAF client is junk and setting up a game means bunch of lobby sim which you will go back to often because see above

>>2126484 (OP)
Zero-K is like soupcum but good

>>2129192
bait used to be beliavable

>>2126484 (OP)
Supcom runs like ass regardless of what machine you try to put it on past the 30 minute mark because it's fucking shit ass engine can't double thread.

>>2129436

Zero-K is just retarded decisions heaped upon further retarded decisions. Its bad, and thankfully it remains rather unknown and un-played. BAR is a much better TA successor.

I tried to get into BAR but after spectating a few matches I noticed that it has the most hostile community I've ever seen in a video game and literally every match, even "chill game for noobs" lobbies ends with the entire losing team and half the winning team screaming at each other for minor misplays or completely made up problems

>>2130911
Play 1v1 or rotating lobbies. People who only play the same popular maps are too tryhard and and treat it like a job.

>>2130911
That's what you get when a game is made by sweatrannies for sweatrannies, and why Zero-K is much better.

>>2130911
Don't play 8v8
>but
Don't play 8v8

supcom:
>Here's this giant map that takes 200 years to traverse and your starting units are shit but if you lose your commander you lose!
>Also here's a campaign where the gimmick in almost every single level is that the map expands in a direction you didn't expect so always spend decades building up your economy and defenses before you do anything!
>Hope you enjoy literally nothing happening in the first 10 minutes of every match!

Zero-K:
>Even a basic raider unit can do game winning damage
>Decently sized maps that are big enough for positioning to matter without it taking too long before you're engaging the enemy in a meaningful way
>Elegant unit balance based on their stats
>Make your army better by mixing in units form other factories instead of same unit but with twice the stat
>Losing a commander doesn't lose you the game so you can't cheese wins like that
>Fun terraforming gimmick
>Maps play differently depending on what starting factory you and your opponent pick

It lacks in soul because of the shitty music and such, but imo it's so much more fun to play unless you're one of those people whose idea of fun RTS is turtling in your base for an hour and a half as an AI suicides into you.

>>2131174
you do realize you can also do T1 rushes in supcom, right? you do realize you can play smaller maps if that's what you want... right? you do realize you can turn off ACU assassination victory condition.................................. RIGHT?????

>>2131291
Zero-K doesn't have t1 rushes because it does not have tiers. You're not rushing anything you're both playing the game at equal strength from the beginning.
The small maps that make supcom's slowness bearable are uninteresting and boring
Turning off assassination is all well and good until you try playing online and everyone wants it on for whatever reason

>>2131306
>Zero-K doesn't have t1 rushes because it does not have tiers. You're not rushing anything you're both playing the game at equal strength from the beginning.
and that's a bad thing.

>>2131312
nuh uh!!

>>2130911
This isn't just BAR, you have the exact same kind of subhuman filth in FAF's 6v6 team games. It's the kind of shitters that get permastuck in LoL silver league because they have mental breakdowns whenever their team doesn't stomp the enemy after first 15 minutes and end up spending more effort chimping out at their team than trying to win the fucking game.

>>2126484 (OP)
Supreme Commander ain't as good as BAR, sorry commandlets

>>2131368
based, I also enjoy the gaming equivalent of indian street food cooked on the shit-covered sidewalk more than a juicy nutritious beef steak

>>2126484 (OP)
>Supreme Commander players

>>2131386
>Replied

>>2131386
Impartial meme arbiter here.
That meme does not work because OP is deliberately calling out other games, meaning that you cannot claim "who asked" rights on anon's post.

>>2131174
you haven't played any faf besides maybe a gap game and thats all your exposure to the game is yet you typed out this small essay about the game
please kill yourself

>>2131570
Yeah I don't play it because I don't like it for the reasons I listed
>k-kill y-yourself!
It's time to stop posting like a 14 years old anon you're pushing 40

>>2131618
it really saddens me that this is the first and often only experience noobs have with supcom, no wonder they think its shit

Zero-K is the absolute best RTS ever made. Action starts instantly. You don't need to wait a few minutes just to get your factory going. It's a game about rolling a snowball towards the enemy while they try to roll it towards you. The units are fun and well designed. It's clear what purpose a unit serves in Zero-K and why.

Zero-K is the ugliest RTS ever made. Low effort assets start instantly. You don't need to wait a few minutes just to get your alt+f4 going. It's a game about rolling a booger between your fingers and calling it a unique artstyle. The units are uninspired and walk like paraplegic retarded ostriches. It's clear what purpose Zero-K serves in the RTS genre ecosystem and why. It's the stormgate killer with its playercount and it doesn't even do that right.

>>2134066
>Trolls
>>2134170
>Trolling trolls
BAR and Zero-K suffer visually because they're running on Spring Engine. Doesn't help that they're also copying their asset style from SupCom. They're derivative games running on a derivative engine.

>>2134270
the engine has nothing to do with the artstyle or low poly models or low effort VFX and low effort everything else. It's a deliberate design choice made by someone without a clear vision for their game

>>2134271
>the engine has nothing to do with the artstyle or low poly models or low effort VFX and low effort everything else
>It's a deliberate design choice made by someone without a clear vision for their game
If I take what you're saying about the engine then I have to disagree with the second part. The BAR devs have a clear vision, and it's "SupCom at home". Their artstyle and VFX is a conscious decision, it may be hampered by being low effort, but that's every 2nd rate indie project out there so you can hardly hold it against them. Fortunately, after all the recent drama/in-fighting/back-stabbing and kicking-from-the-team that followed the devs have been forced to re-model certain legion units, hopefully this gives them the kick up the butt they need to unify and remodel all the slop they used for armada/cortex.

>>2126484 (OP)
They run better, and have better controls and QoL, and BAR music is good. I prefer the music to Supreme Commander desu, but this is probably a minority opinion.

>>2129192
Why would you try to trick someone into playing that garbage?

If you fixed SupCom's engine shitting itself when there's 8 players with 1000 units cap AND allowed more players than 8 at the same match you get BAR
SupCom is an icon alright, and a really good one too, but you can see the writing on the wall showing its age and perfomance issues so people would rather play something like that WITHOUT getting their match butched mid battle

And if you innovated it into something new and amazing, you get Zero-K.

>>2126484 (OP)
The Total Annihilation game family has to be one of the most in·ces·tu·ous groups in rts history my god

>>2134675
I like SupCom but gameplay speaking, BAR just feels better to play because of the unit scale
There is room for micro and macro, CQC combat and importance of projectiles, rubble, positioning and such, and matches do not take that long. SupCom is more "big" in maps but that's not actually good, and you're mostly looking at blips and dots unless you really zoom in, which you never need to do, because the game isn't that micro intensive or if it comes down to it, ranges of each unit is so much it doesn't matter. Overall, they're different indeed, and do offer different experiences tho.

BAR is great, but I prefer ZK's gameplay. Shame that the latter's graphics are even more dated than BAR's.
SupCom is also great, but the gameplay feels very rigid compared to the other two. Also it's just so much different in how it plays, especially with FAF that I think it's actually silly to compare to other TA derivatives. Or at least to ZK, because that has like the basic economy with metal/power the same and that's that.

>>2126484 (OP)
Nothing is cooler than Zero-K.

>>2134798
it's also unsustainable for human life >>2134170

I think RTS players are very quick to dismiss things that look bad without considering gameplay.
Zero-K is fun to play but the second someone loads in, see the deviant art drawings in the loading screen and hear that royalty free piano music they'll go "No thanks" and go play something else.

>>2134871
this is part of why stormgate failed. You can't say "Zero-K is fun to play" and proceed to claim it has dogshit art and music and sound effects.
The art and the music and the sound effects are what adds to and comprises a whole gameplay experience.
There's a reason why StarCraft 1's music is regarded as a timeless classic, and the sound effects are also ingrained into everyone's mind, and the character portraits, and the unit designs, and... everything. Everything that makes StarCraft good is why the game has survived 20+ years and is still popular and recommended to play.
Why do people cream themselves over the lackluster Dawn of War remaster? Because the art is great, the music is great, the unit designs are great, the way they fight is great, and everything in Dawn of War is fucking great and fun to experience. Every single aspect of it.
And when everything is great, it's easy to forgive stuff like shit pathfinding or lack of QoL features or hotkey rebinds. Because the entire gameplay experience is awesome and makes up for these shortcomings.

>>2135048
There's a reason I'm willing to play Zero-K but not either of those games.

>>2135048
Some people are able to get into games on gameplay alone, otherwise all those roguelikes with ASCII graphics or those spreadsheet-like management games would have no players.
That being said I agree that the "coolness" factor is more important to most people.

>>2135097
>Some people are able to get into games on gameplay alone
all 80 of them, here's one >>2135091 of them >>2134170

>try to get information about Zero-K
>there's an entire wiki with a newbie guide and actual manual pages
>try to get information about BAR
>there's a handful of the most basic bitch mobile-optimized "instructions" possible, for further information watch these videos and visit our discord ;^)

>>2135091
>There's a reason I'm willing to play Zero-K but not either of those games.
You're a bad person, yes

>>2135130
>you won't play starcraft, you're a bad person
Retard.

I don't get why people get so into defending/attacking games as if they got stakes on them. I love RTS and play every single one that is good. Loved SupCom for years but never got into the MP because it's dead and performs really bad. Tried to get into PA TITANS and it was ok. BAR is awesome, it is the best of both worlds and just werks. I haven't been able to get into ZeroK because it's kind of the same but uglier looking. I know that past the building fart ray and the ugly graphics there's an interesting game below, but doesn't seem to be going anywhere with the development so far, and the fanboys clinging to SupCom and BAR to get relevant makes it seem like it's on the last legs. It's a shame because I just love to play different games and would love to see it grow. Terrain modification is awesome.

Waiting for Sanctuary Shattered Sun for awhile for my SupCom fix, but seems like it's vaporware now

>>2135133
Yes, you're a retard as well

>>2135127
are you retarded or just shitposting?
BAR's website even has a page with details about the controls with videos for each command
pretty much the same as ZK's except the website doesn't look like it's from 2004

>>2135149
You know what I really hate?
Illiterate faggots who don't even manage to read four sentences and then display their retardation for everyone to see.
But then again, you're a BAR fan, so that's understandable.

>>2135163
I prefer ZK over BAR btw, I just wanted to point out that you breathe through your mouth.

>>2135211
I'm pretty sure they're talking about https://beyondallreason.wiki/guides, https://www.beyondallreason.info/guides and similar stuff. They mostly seem to be videos, which they were complaining about.

>>2135136
>I don't get why people get so into defending/attacking games as if they got stakes on them
people are passionate about the medium and are willing to discuss while arguing their side of view. This is especially prevalent in strategy games where a lot of the audience is autistic

I like TA and BAR and Supcom. Zero-K has some cool features and ideas like terraforming but I don't personally like the tech/factory system. BAR is just a TA expansion pack with lots of engine and QoL features which is great. Planetary Annihilation was pretty shit when it came out but I've heard it's improved a lot, I'll have to try it out again sometime. Industrial Annihilation intrigued me but the devs along with the current dev hell status have annihilated any hope I have for that game, I'll never understand how a team can get a product into a playable state to show off and totally self-destruct right before the finish line. Similar thoughts about Shattered Sun. I guess there's Ashes of the Singularity 2 in dev but you'd have to point a gun at my head to get me to buy a game from Stardock.

>>2135222
Or we could end this now:

>>2135233
I agree, let's end this now, definitively.

>>2135242
I'd accept this as a substitute if it wasn't for the inevitable seething of the BARbois.

>>2135245
barbois barbois
what you gonna do
what you gonna do
when they come for you

>>2135225
Yeah, ZK has the best featureset and design mindset of any RTS but I just don't care for the tierless and factionless setup. I like tiers and factions. I wish those features would ship in BAR, but that'll never happen. I'd still play ZK over any other RTS outside of the TA family though.

>>2135211
>I just wanted to point out I'm an illiterate spook with a negative reading comprehension
ftfy

fucking retard

>>2134675
Faf has optimized the game enough to where this is playable, you have to try pretty hard to get it to lag. Looking at you hover spam niggers

>>2135266
You can keep repeating that and lashing out, but it won't change the fact that you are wrong about the info section on BAR's website.

why does supcom attract so many argumentative spergs?

>>2135398
Homer Simpson and the rotten sandwich syndrome

Also known as the Smelee Syndrome

>>2135398
i think there was some kind of discord drama during the development of the freeware games, and some specially retarded niggerfaggots got involver emottionally with it,
its a game you just play it

>Download BAR
>Play the scenarios, pretty fun
>Enter lowest level possible "noob welcome" multiplayer lobby
>people scream at each other for not following the correct meta

lmao it's another game where you just practice build orders on the same fucking map forever

>>2135558
FAF solved this with mapgen but the truth is faggots just want to play simcity and bitch when unaccounted variables bite them. Also the confusion in teamgames of whose responsible for what.

>>2135558
Play 1v1 or rotato, not 8v8.

>>2135558
>Do something stupid
>Lose the game
>"Wow the meta is so rigid!"
Just don't do stupid shit, and if you do just accept it and move on, learn or tell them to fuck off

>>2135998
why do you automatically assume he's done something stupid? Off meta =/= stupid. You must be one of these rabid autistic retards in the lobby

>>2136010
>why do you automatically assume he's done something stupid?
Only a stupid would bitch about the meta of a game he just got into

>>2136035
I bet you think like a brilliant