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Anonymous No.2143685 [Report] >>2143711 >>2144329 >>2144340 >>2144428 >>2144493 >>2145203 >>2145315 >>2145348 >>2145351 >>2145358 >>2145476 >>2145673 >>2147088 >>2149048 >>2151203 >>2162561 >>2164202 >>2164887 >>2165619
EUV has the Victoria 3 Shadow Economy
Pack it up, boys. The hype died. Europa Universalis 5 is going to fail at the one thing it set out to do. It's not going to have a realistic economy. It features a Shadow Realm giving POPs an infinite amount of Credit. That's a crutch so the economy can work properly.

Here is an example from the experience of a playtester:
>food price is subject to global supply and demand, but separated into markets
>if your markets have enough food to cover demand, but the global price is high, then EVERYONE will starve to death, because they can't afford food
>the equivalent of this in the real world would be White people voluntarily starving themselves, because Africans can't afford food
>BUT this is actually not happening, because Paradox "fixed" this oversight by letting POPs/Estates just buy goods on Shadow Banking Credit, as long as it's available
>but only the government can go into debt, not POPs, so your people are basically being funded by invisible Shadow Demons, who give them infinite credit

This has further implications with the nobility. Earlier playtesters reported that building the "Bailiff" building is an excellent idea, because it spreads control in places outside your capital and before you can build proper infrastructure. But the hidden feature of the Bailiff is that it provides your nobility with jobs and since the nobility have the most demands of any POP, but get an infinite credit card, they can super-charge your economy by buying up all of the goods. The scribbles on the right is from a playtester, who reported that nobility have:
>60 ducats income
>pay 20 ducats in tax
>spend 350 ducats on goods

It seems like the competency crisis is so severe Paradox is unable to hire a genius autist and enough sugary drinks to make him code an actually functioning economy. Even if they want to create a realistic economy simulation, they are not able to. They simply aren't competent enough.
Anonymous No.2143711 [Report] >>2143906 >>2144364 >>2145184 >>2147132 >>2159787
>>2143685 (OP)
>It features a Shadow Realm giving POPs an infinite amount of Credit
Isn't that real life Modern Monetary Theory?
Anonymous No.2143717 [Report]
This seems like an easy fix.

>hidden feature of the Bailiff is that it provides your nobility with jobs
Just get rid of this
Anonymous No.2143906 [Report]
>>2143711
>Isn't that real life Modern Monetary Theory?
in the sense of being nonsensical bullshit, yes
Anonymous No.2144329 [Report]
>>2143685 (OP)
Didn't they already nerf the bailiffs
Anonymous No.2144340 [Report]
>>2143685 (OP)
Paradox gsg games will never have a realistic economy since they will never invest into making an AI to follow the game rules.
Anonymous No.2144349 [Report]
Why have global prices at all? Just have a base price for goods and then it's adjusted market by market by factors. What does Novgorod market care if Zwahili is starving when they're not exporting there?
Anonymous No.2144357 [Report] >>2145310
A "muh realistic sim" nigger will always point out how things actually work and call others incompetent, but will never do anything themselves.
Anonymous No.2144364 [Report] >>2144474
>>2143711
MMT "creates" value from currency depreciation, which steals value from everyone else holding money. It's just an indirect form of taxation.
Anonymous No.2144428 [Report] >>2144448
>>2143685 (OP)
Like every other EU game before it?
Anonymous No.2144448 [Report] >>2145312
>>2144428
No, money was straight up mana before. A lot of nerds got excited for EU5 having an actual market with stockpiles, but it looks like the system still needs some work.
Anonymous No.2144455 [Report] >>2144463
>Make it so the only good a pop can buy without money is food.
problem solved.
Anonymous No.2144463 [Report]
>>2144455
There's this thing Victoria 3 did... I know, I know. It's called "subsistence farming". It gives peasants a standard of living, but makes them not contribute much to market demands. In turn, their farms are a small, but constant source of goods for the market. You need to worry about feeding the peasants only once you've dispossessed them.
Anonymous No.2144474 [Report] >>2145257 >>2145346
>>2144364
retard
Anonymous No.2144493 [Report] >>2145313
>>2143685 (OP)
literally all the have to do is localize goods into trade nodes and give pops In that node the opportunity to buy first
the zones and finally a broader market
some goods shouldn't even leave their node until you have tech
Anonymous No.2145103 [Report] >>2145106 >>2145137 >>2145940 >>2152241
im not one to complain about 3d characters much but man, these placeholders for vic 3 were incredible. imagine if eu5 got something like this instead.
Anonymous No.2145106 [Report] >>2145137
>>2145103
What's with PDX and downgrading their games between the beta and release versions? It happened with HoI4, and it happened with Vic3 too.
Anonymous No.2145137 [Report] >>2145150
>>2145103
>>2145106
>all those gaunt cheeks
That's AI.
Anonymous No.2145150 [Report] >>2145183 >>2145187 >>2145211 >>2152225
>>2145137
anything is better than this
Anonymous No.2145183 [Report]
>>2145150
vgh
Anonymous No.2145184 [Report]
>>2143711
only for jews
Anonymous No.2145187 [Report]
>>2145150
Cosmetic weirdness will always be funny
Anonymous No.2145203 [Report]
>>2143685 (OP)
O hey, I saw that Lemoncake video too
Seems like an easy fix would be to just make food the only thing that can be bought on shadow credit, and of course fix supply and demand to be market specific
Anonymous No.2145211 [Report] >>2145222 >>2146640
>>2145150
How do infants have a political stance
Anonymous No.2145222 [Report]
>>2145211
most infants are socialist
and vice-versa
Anonymous No.2145257 [Report]
>>2144474
That is literally what issuing a bunch of extra money does. As more money goes into circulation, it becomes worth less per unit because it's representing the same demand.
Anonymous No.2145310 [Report] >>2145319
>>2144357
I am doing something. I am not buying Paraslop, and I am demoralising Paraslop-customers. You should do the same.
Anonymous No.2145312 [Report] >>2145321
>>2144448
>the system still needs some work
Bro don't pretend they will "fix" this with "more work". Paradox doesn't fix or change the fundamental working of their games post-release, they work on shovelwear DLC that poorly integrates with their base game and adds layers of poorly meshing bloat. If it's inherently disfunctional at launch it will always be dysfunctional.
Anonymous No.2145313 [Report] >>2148700
>>2144493
Isn't there a transport cost mechanism to move goods from one market to another?
Anonymous No.2145315 [Report] >>2148700
>>2143685 (OP)
>global prices
>in the fucking EU era
That's beyond retarded. There shouldn't even be a country market until end game. It should go province > state > region > country as tech and centralization increases.
Anonymous No.2145319 [Report] >>2145324
>>2145310
>I am demoralising
lmfao

What a stupid niggerfaggot.
Anonymous No.2145321 [Report] >>2145324
>>2145312
Have you looked at Stellaris at all?
Anonymous No.2145324 [Report] >>2145374
>>2145319
Isiah 53:3
>>2145321
No, I followed the CK3 (and late EUIV) DLC development path. CK3 was strategically broken and bereft on release, and every DLC has just been ad hoc shovelware adding layers of incoherency on top, without fixing any of the base game issues. Five years later and we still don't have installable antipopes! Something people forgave on release because Paradox "just need more time" to do, or pretended that it was "cut content" to be resold later, rather than the truth that Paradox do not care about their game or the player experience.

I avoided Vicky 3 after the no armies reveal. Have armies been added it yet?
Anonymous No.2145346 [Report] >>2148698 >>2158054
>>2144474
What doesn't make sense about what anon said?
It's basic market economics
Anonymous No.2145348 [Report]
>>2143685 (OP)
EU5 doesn’t need to have an economic simulation. Paradox, just go back to your board game roots. Who fucking needs this POP and goods shit?
Anonymous No.2145351 [Report] >>2145542 >>2145659 >>2148593
>>2143685 (OP)
>pops are their jobs
>if a building didn't exist, all those rich feudal lords? They'd be unemployed just like you
You see a sign in an abbey, it says "Help wanted! Pay: Loads! Experience: Unnecessary!"
You go inside and ask about the job, it's to be King of England
You write down your name, William, Duke of Normandy, and then notice no-one else asked for the job
You question why? - "Oh none of the peasants here had any qualifications. For a start, they're too illiterate to read the sign!"
You shrug but then have another question, who posted the job? - "Oh, a higher power"
God? - "No, the Almighty State!"
You ponder this for a bit, and later on your throne it still eats away at the back of your mind. You're the King, why are you being paid a wage by the Palace and why does it say State-Owned in the production method?
Anonymous No.2145358 [Report] >>2145362 >>2145398
>>2143685 (OP)
>>if your markets have enough food to cover demand, but the global price is high, then EVERYONE will starve to death, because they can't afford food
Did you sleep thru covid?
Anonymous No.2145362 [Report]
>>2145358
What difference does that make?
Anonymous No.2145374 [Report]
>>2145324
What a stupid fucking monkey.
Anonymous No.2145398 [Report] >>2145704
>>2145358
I don't think 21st century global economy is comparable to pre-industrial one.
Anonymous No.2145476 [Report]
>>2143685 (OP)
I mean is a Europa Universalis game where the AI doesnt need to conjure up money from dimension X even possible? Like does the amount of computations required for moderately competent AI even exist on comercially available processors? Arent there 1000 tags now?
Anonymous No.2145542 [Report]
>>2145351
Anonymous No.2145659 [Report] >>2147066 >>2148702
>>2145351
Picked the worst example possible since the king decided his own "wage"
Anonymous No.2145669 [Report] >>2145671 >>2150980
>complaining about this nitpicky shit for a launch title paradox game
Yeah it's going to be a masterpiece
Anonymous No.2145671 [Report] >>2145852
>>2145669
It's bound to be the most complete release after CK3 Paradox has ever made. Mostly because majority of the DLC are just reworks.
Anonymous No.2145673 [Report] >>2145680
>>2143685 (OP)
>one thing it set out to do
According to who lol? If you actually thought this was going to be an economy sim to match 2 you're a giganigger.
Anonymous No.2145680 [Report] >>2145687
>>2145673
Shouldn't "Government buildings" jobs be paid out of treasury, though?
Anonymous No.2145687 [Report] >>2145698
>>2145680
Ballifs have already been nerfed.
Anonymous No.2145698 [Report] >>2145706
>>2145687
Still, though. If wages are mana, I'd like to know.
Anonymous No.2145704 [Report]
>>2145398
Counter argument: jews existed and also did most of the banking.
Anonymous No.2145706 [Report]
>>2145698
I am fairly sure it is paid out by the government.
Anonymous No.2145714 [Report] >>2148692
I dont know how trade works yet but im hoping that goods from far away cost a higher premium as they move through intermediary markets like they did on the silk road. Then when europeans build their own independent trade routes they can price out all the parasitic middlemen of central asia and the arab peninsula
If this is not simulated i will rope myself
Anonymous No.2145852 [Report] >>2145857 >>2145889 >>2147137
>>2145671
>CK3
>complete
Lol
Anonymous No.2145857 [Report]
>>2145852
NTA but "complete release" was something that was generally agreed upon even here for CK3. The assumption was they'd then quickly shit out the mandatory remaining core DLC ala ParaJew style like Sword of Islam and Sons of Abraham before branching into new CK3 territory. Instead we got something like 3 years of DLC malaise and then another 3 of half-hearted slop. It's now at the point where people miss ParaJew.
Anonymous No.2145889 [Report] >>2146024
>>2145852
>the most
>relative term
I know English is hard.
Anonymous No.2145940 [Report] >>2145948
>>2145103
This is retarded.
No faces should be visible, it's like dangling keys in front of a baby, embarrassing that you're interested in something like this.
Anonymous No.2145948 [Report] >>2145957
>>2145940
elaborate
Anonymous No.2145957 [Report]
>>2145948
no
Anonymous No.2146024 [Report]
>>2145889
>the most after CK3
>implying EU5 is less complete than CK3
It's always amusing when an ESL tries to stand up to an EFL lmao
Anonymous No.2146640 [Report]
>>2145211
just look at twitter
Anonymous No.2147066 [Report]
>>2145659
And in game?
Anonymous No.2147088 [Report]
>>2143685 (OP)
I...don't...care? It's realistic enough for me.
Anonymous No.2147132 [Report]
>>2143711
The difference is that in real life only the US government is allowed to do it because shut up we're good for it and it makes the global economy magically function, which everyone prefers to the alternative.
Anonymous No.2147137 [Report]
>>2145852
It was "complete" on release. But for some reason perceivable only to them, they decided to make 0 (zero) DLCs that were actual large additions of content for five years, something they're only now going to fix with All Under Heaven (maybe).

Genuinely fucking baffling how they've treated CK3 considering CK2 was their most popular game by far until HoI4.
Anonymous No.2147247 [Report] >>2148463
i bought vic 3 and hated it within 10 minutes. what disgusting ui. woke loading screens before i even play the game. what a pile of shit.
Anonymous No.2147282 [Report] >>2147400 >>2147423 >>2148315 >>2159714
can't believe johan putler made him change his signature. so gosh damn evil.
Anonymous No.2147400 [Report]
>>2147282
i hate professional victims so much
Anonymous No.2147423 [Report]
>>2147282
KWAB.
Anonymous No.2148315 [Report] >>2148461 >>2159458
>>2147282
So, what was it before?
Anonymous No.2148461 [Report] >>2148911 >>2152664
>>2148315
Something related to Ukraine. Bitch got slapped for breaking forum rules on modern politics. Potential lolcow?
Anonymous No.2148463 [Report] >>2148493
>>2147247
There's still cucks who play it. It's awful.
Anonymous No.2148493 [Report]
>>2148463
Is Victoria 3 the biggest mindbreak we've had?
Anonymous No.2148593 [Report]
>>2145351
I don't even understand why it functions like this. Even in Meiou the state is an extension of the ruling body or ruling person's bureaucracy. It's not an invisible guiding hand.

If you have 0 state reach in meiou your income and other interactions with the populace are directly from estates.
Anonymous No.2148692 [Report]
>>2145714
Just play meiou 3.0. it's already simulated there.
Anonymous No.2148698 [Report]
>>2145346
supply/demand denialists get angry at the idea of money printing causing inflation (it's actually capitalist greed)
Anonymous No.2148700 [Report]
>>2145313
There should be since the game already has trade nodes. Global pricing is so retarded it would be better to have long monthly or annual ticks than this shit.
>>2145315
You're being unreasonable because nobody wants ticks that long. Just use trade nodes it's good enough.
Anonymous No.2148702 [Report]
>>2145659
isn't that the point?
Anonymous No.2148911 [Report]
>>2148461
>Potential lolcow
that would be an upgrade? considering lambert is such a boring retard with no personality that his pro ukr cuckery might as well his only way of getting attention
Anonymous No.2149048 [Report]
>>2143685 (OP)
We're never going to have a realistic economy in vidya ever again, because the (REAL) economy itself is no longer realistic
Anonymous No.2150080 [Report] >>2150306
I dont understand the point about global prices being relevant.
Every market has their own prices for goods, which is how you make profits moving goods around. You're trying to tell me pops look at global prices instead of the prices in their market? I don't believe you.
Anonymous No.2150306 [Report]
>>2150080
Yeah you are right and it doesnt work like that. Provinces belong to a market and they can only belong to a single market at any given time. Pops inhabiting the provinces have access to the goods in that market.
Anonymous No.2150980 [Report]
>>2145669
it's not nitpicky, there's a fundemental flaw in the game. There's no punishment for failing to manage your estates. Aggresivley reducing the power of the estates and enpoverishing them should have drawbacks and at the very least unrest. Instead you are rewarded for it completely with them just creating more money out of thin air that is directly injected back into your economy.
100 years into the game and nobles have a monthly income of 300 ducats per month but are spending 10k ducats per month on goods. A large portion of your entire economy is subsidized by this error
Anonymous No.2150995 [Report] >>2150997 >>2160759
Does the economy in Vicky 2 do this? Why aren't they able to copy the fundamental mechanics of that game and adjust them for EU's time period? It should be even easier to simulate with the massively stronger CPU requirements the new game has.
Anonymous No.2150997 [Report] >>2151022
>>2150995
Vic2 economy experiences a liquidity crisis and collapses in late game.
Anonymous No.2151022 [Report]
>>2150997
that's thematic though
Anonymous No.2151203 [Report]
>>2143685 (OP)
It was doomed to happen.
They can do everything better than the games specialized in these mechanics.
EUV will have worse economics than Vicky3, worse character interactions than CK3, worse combat than HOI4, worse pop system than IR.
Anonymous No.2151219 [Report]
maybe this is asking too much but with minting being a slider and gold being a tangible ressource you can trade, you could make some really cool stuff happen in regards to the real supply of tangible gold (your currency that is)
they talk about how pops make it so every unit, every settlement, every soldier actually exists... what if every gold coin actually existed too?
Anonymous No.2152225 [Report]
>>2145150
Like you wouldn't buy a little baby pickelhaube for your infant son
Anonymous No.2152241 [Report] >>2152814
>>2145103
>Default_portrait_female
Were they chuds or woke, it's hard to tell
Anonymous No.2152664 [Report]
>>2148461
I used to be in a facebook paradox game group with Lambert before he started his youtube career. He was an unfunny, powertripping faggot . He whined and bitched about seemingly everything.
Anonymous No.2152814 [Report]
>>2152241
KEK. Horseshoe.
Anonymous No.2158054 [Report] >>2158115 >>2158128 >>2158233 >>2165244
>>2145346
inflation is caused by lack of goods not overt money supply
gold fags are retards, they just want you to buy gold because they own it
Anonymous No.2158115 [Report] >>2158575
>>2158054
Ah yes. Because if we just give everyone a thousand times of their previous paycheck or NEET bux and people want to buy mansions, sports cars and an RTX 5090 from Nvidia, the problem is just the lack of mansions, sports cars and cheap graphics cards, not the fact someone literally inflated the money supply.
No, these are all just normal market price adjustments.
Anonymous No.2158128 [Report] >>2158575
>>2158054
No that's quite literally the definition of inflation. There's so much money being printed it lost on value. Shortage or stockout are different problems.
Anonymous No.2158233 [Report] >>2158242 >>2158575
>>2158054
>inflation is caused by lack of goods not overt money supply
It can be caused by increased goods shortages, but it's generally caused by more money being printed. If you put more money into circulation, then customers who previously couldn't buy product X because they couldn't afford it (or couldn't buy as much as they wanted), will buy it (or buy more of it). This will increase demand for it, which will push prices up until the amount of demand at the price returns to equilibrium.

>gold fags are retards, they just want you to buy gold because they own it
Gold fags don't need you to buy gold. Gold holds its value regardless. Their gold will always have value because it's limited in supply and humans like shiny pretty metal.

And people advocating a gold standard aren't advocating the use of literal gold as currency, they're advocating gold-BACKED currency because with gold-backed currency the government has a limiter on how much currency they can issue: they can only issue as much as they have gold for. This puts a damper on their ability to just recklessly print money and devalue everyone's paychecks. You could have this kind of stability with pure fiat currency too, but only if you had some kind of law restricting how much the government could expand the money supply.
Anonymous No.2158242 [Report] >>2158310
>>2158233
>they can only issue as much as they have gold for
Can't this also cause issues if the economy grows more than you can procure more gold, causing deflation and stifling investment or something along those lines?
t. definitely not an economist
Anonymous No.2158310 [Report] >>2158317 >>2158575 >>2159447
>>2158242
Germany after World War 2 literally experienced an economic miracle, because of deflation. One of their leading Libertarian figures won a political battle against the Leftists in his country and the global left-wing attitude of his time and against the Allied Council, who wanted to keep price controls in place. He created a strong currency, which pulled Germany out of it's semi-barter economy and gave people trust in money again. This lead to SMART and PRODUCTIVE investment, which coupled with German ingenuity, rebuild Germany into an economic powerhouse.

If you believe that inflation stifles investment, doesn't that also mean that a lot of dumb, unproductive investments get funding, as well as extremely low risk, low yield garbage investment, because people desperately try to escape inflation, so they spend their money as quickly as possible? Doesn't this at a certain point destroy the idea of currency in the first place, where it keeps it's value? Doesn't this also further an economy, which produces garbage products, which break after a few years to justify their own existence?
Anonymous No.2158317 [Report] >>2158584
>>2158310
a million things contributed to the recovery of germany after ww2
many of them were the same things that contributed to their status as a great power in the first place
Anonymous No.2158575 [Report] >>2158584
>>2158115
>muh retarded fantasy
And nobody is doing that so you can shut up, prices inflated everywhere because covid and Ukraine war fucked with the economy
>>2158128
>>2158233
>muh money printing
yea funny how 8% inflation accrued only when war and sanctions started same in the 70's, must be coincidence
newsflash they print money every fucking year
>>2158310
Germany did MMT and Austria did gold backed (((Austrian))) economics, guess who had economic miracle and who was so poor that masses flocked to be annexed
Anonymous No.2158584 [Report] >>2158593
>>2158317
Of course. You wouldn't be able to do the same thing in Africa. But through Libertarian currency policies Germany managed to abandon Socialist price controls and create a currency, which people trust.

>>2158575
>Germany did MMT and Austria did gold backed (((Austrian))) economics, guess who had economic miracle and who was so poor that masses flocked to be annexed
Germany did MMT, because none of the allies would have wanted Germany to adopt a gold-backed currency. It took a lot of political work for them to even accept dropping price controls. It's not like Germany chose MMT, because it's superior and that is also not why they were succesful. MMT can't make unproductive countries rich. Germany would always be successful. East Germany literally became the richest socialist shithole of the Communist Block.
Anonymous No.2158593 [Report] >>2158604
>>2158584
Ok, so Austrian economics and gold standard made Germans in Austria broke and MMT with no gold standard made Germans in Germany rich
Anonymous No.2158604 [Report]
>>2158593
I don't know much about Austria post-war actually. But I am purely arguing for Germany here. How it was before Germany adopted Ludwig Erhard's policies and what it was like after. I didn't make any claims about Austria as you seem to imply.
Anonymous No.2159447 [Report] >>2159451
>>2158310
>German ingenuity
Yeah, come live here a while and you won't say stupid, mystical shit like that. Absolutely retarded take.
Anonymous No.2159451 [Report]
>>2159447
Okay, Bürgergeldempfänger.
Anonymous No.2159458 [Report]
>>2148315
Slave Ukraini
Anonymous No.2159714 [Report] >>2162561
>>2147282
He's so fucking cringe holy shit. Does he even have any Ukrainian blood? Even just a drop? Basing your whole identity around a country you have no ties to reeks of lacking any actual personality or problems in real life. If he really cares about Ukraine that much why doesn't he just go fight there, they're pretty much taking in anyone as long as they can hold a rifle
Anonymous No.2159787 [Report]
>>2143711
yes, but they hadnt invented that yet in eu5's timeframe so its retarded
would be fine for east vs west
Anonymous No.2160759 [Report]
>>2150995
>Does the economy in Vicky 2 do this?
No. In vicky 2 the pops given the same situation would enter starvation reducing growth and making them super pissed and likely to emigrate. There are some "money cheats" in liqqy but they are mostly limited to country level stuff like ensuring that there's always loans available even if everyone is out of money etc.

>Why aren't they able to copy the fundamental mechanics of that game and adjust them for EU's time period?
It's not supposed to be a copy of victoria 2. The mechanic makes more sense when you think about it in the context of EU5 where the primary focus is on trade. The fact that pops can't run out of money means that there's always trade opportunities. It also prevents the economy from imploding which is more important because EU5 is less scripted and longer game than liqqy.

>It should be even easier to simulate with the massively stronger CPU requirements the new game has.
The game is much bigger than liqqy and already performs poorly. Tracking money on individual pops and actual goods would be largely pointless and extra load on top of the current system.
Anonymous No.2162561 [Report] >>2164782
>>2143685 (OP)
Okay, I am done seething about this, what are some actual gameplay benefits of doing things this way? Avoiding starvation death spirals? Wouldn't it eventually lead to a drop in demand big enough that the pops can afford food again despite the reduced supply (from all the dead peasants that no longer work the fields)? Was that simply deemed unfun and cut out because 90% of paradoxbabs are savescummers?
>>2159714
>Basing your whole identity around a country you have no ties to
He's a Finn, and if that does not make it all crystal clear for you, then you haven't interacted with that nationality for long enough
Anonymous No.2164202 [Report]
>>2143685 (OP)
Anonymous No.2164782 [Report] >>2165128
>>2162561
>Wouldn't it eventually lead to a drop in demand big enough that the pops can afford food again despite the reduced supply (from all the dead peasants that no longer work the fields)?
Wasn't the big issue with vicky 2 that it didn't play out that way? With there never being enough money around for pops to fulfill their needs which lead to constant rebel swarms?
Anonymous No.2164887 [Report] >>2164924
>>2143685 (OP)
Nobody cares about economy.
EU-series is a map painting simulator.
Anonymous No.2164924 [Report]
>>2164887
Degenerates like this should be ejected from a cannon.

May EU5 break their brains again, like V3 did.

>inclusion of pops means Quantity ideas are already dead
Anonymous No.2165128 [Report]
>>2164782
Partially, and that was caused by countries just accumulating tax money which never returned to the economy.
Anonymous No.2165244 [Report]
>>2158054
I dont know what to believe anymore, studied econ decade ago but now I question if scarcity even exist...
Anonymous No.2165619 [Report] >>2166472
>>2143685 (OP)
Paradox games have never been about simulating the economy, just the impression of one. Sure, there's a screen that containing buttons and sliders containing important words like budget and inflation and money, but the important thing in Paradox's mind is that they exist and do something when you click on them. Actually being realistic or even just simply making sense is a very distant priority when they make the game. When you try to understand the system the illusion then all falls apart and you're left with things like infinite money/resources being conjured out of thin air. In all fairness the difficult part of a game's economic simulation is actually trying to make an economy game-like and predictable and stable, so you don't run into all the un-fun and dumb shit real economies do like randomly crashing and burning, but Paradox doesn't even try.
Anonymous No.2166472 [Report]
>>2165619
>the difficult part of a game's economic simulation is actually trying to make an economy game-like and predictable and stable, so you don't run into all the un-fun and dumb shit real economies do like randomly crashing and burning,
yeah who the hell would want economic crisis to be simulated in a game spanning 1836-1936