Thread 2166176

>Grey Eminence dead
>Songs of Eons dead, open source version hasn't been updated in like a year

Why do all the interesting projects have to die?

>>2166176 (OP)
programming fucking sucks and indie games don't pay. really I'm stunned how many good games do get finished.

>>2166176 (OP)
>Songs of Eons dead
good, fuck beavers

Gilded Era got a publisher so maybe it won't die

>>2166508
>Hooded Horse
it also might never come out

>>2166176 (OP)
>Grey Eminence
Bit off more than they could chew.

At some point you make the greatest sim there ever was and realize there's no game, no fun, and nobody will buy it. I'm sure that is extremely demoralizing. This is why shitty games because there's tons of retards with no shame.

>>2166498
what's your beef with beavers?

>>2166176 (OP)
Blame the tranny coder who didn't actually want to make a grand strat sim in the first place in the case of Songs.

>>2166176 (OP)
They were retarded by biting more than they could chew off. They should have started with, simpler, more focused projects.

>>2166176 (OP)
there is a pretty big branch in one of sote forks which rewrote a decent part of the game to c++ and there is a fork of this branch where one of contributors tests some big changes to economy atm

>>2166176 (OP)
>GE
literally a scam
>SotE
classic case of the "ideas guy"

Does anyone have an archive of the SoE wiki or something like that?
I used the Wayback machine to get most of the pages but I couldn't get the Dwarves and Vermen.

>>2167073
What made him start it to begin with?

>>2170672
The excuse to make the game he wanted to. The troon tried to implement a 3D map on a sub-hex scale until the guy who came up with the idea of SotE said no, and then the troon promptly ragequit the project, moved to Japan (because all trannies think they're animu grills for some reason) and allegedly started working on the RPG xe wanted to make all along

>>2168078
Honestly if anyone has just the text that would be more than enough.

>>2166176 (OP)
Gilded Destiny

>>2166521
Hooded Horse is a CCP money laundry

>>2172141
proofs? thought it was a McKinsey glowie fed op

>>2166213
yep

>>2166176 (OP)
you could tell it would fail when they chose Unity

have anyone here actually played the latest versions of sote or its forks?

>>2173252
If you're talking about Grey Eminence, they needed the Data-Oriented-Stack thing that Unity was able to offer. In hindsight, hitching their wagon to company willing to pull of the "runtime fee fiasco" wasn't the best business decision.

>>2173531
No, because it's a pain in the ass to set up

>>2166176 (OP)
M*dders getting too uppity and think they can make a game, many such cases

>>2168078
>>2172125
Here's some things I salvaged

>Elves are among the most K-selected races in the SotE world. They enjoy the longest life expectancy of all races, but this longer life comes with the disadvantage of an extremely slow maturation rate, higher caloric and nutrient needs than humans, and lower birth rates. Elves are physically frail but virtually immune to chronic diseases that would prematurely end their lives. On its face, these traits don’t appear to complement one another very well when it comes to longevity. However, elves have evolved exceptional dexterity and agility to avoid a violent end to an otherwise long life.

>Their long lifespans dispose them heavily toward being “civilized,” but are able to survive comfortably as a feral race in late succession forests. When feral, they tend to be very shy and evasive, preferring never to be seen except by kin. A feral elf is nearly impossible to witness at all unless directly tracked, even to natural predators who share the same ecosystem.

>Even in their civilized state, elves are considered fairly skewed toward specialization as opposed to generalism. While most specialist races lean toward specific Climate.pngclimate types, elves are specialized for environments which are defensible in order to leverage the advantage of their long potential lifespan. Such environments include younger forests, isolated coastal river valleys, river confluences, remote mountain valleys or islands. Mature elvish societies are known to expand very slowly, but are extremely difficult to displace once established.

>>2178080
>A side effect of an elf’s long lifespan is that they are acutely aware of environmental degradation. Shorter lived races often ignore the ill effects of deforestation and soil erosion either because they don’t live long enough to witness these long term disastrous effects or they (correctly) perceive that the ill effects are paid for by distant generations. Elves don’t have this luxury. A human who mines their soil for short term gains will die before they ever suffer the negative consequences. An elf who does the same will be farming hard scrabble before they’ve reached middle age.

>For this reason, elves are most likely of all Orc.png races to develop cultures and technology that revolve around conservation and long term sustainability. Elves don’t usually engage in traditional farming, but when they do, they aggressively employ terracing, no till agriculture, cover crops, and other techniques to maintain soil depth. More often though, elvish societies practice various forms of silviculture and agroforestry. Forest elves who emerge from a feral state tend to gradually alter their forest environments to meet their needs. Over the eons, they replace the non-fruiting plants with selectively bred fruit and nut trees, then install vined vegetables like gourds and beans along the trunks and canopies. Biological waste is tossed to the forest floor and aggregated in middens, where mushrooms are grown and compost is generated. A side effect of long term elvish habitation of a given forest is the creation of spectacularly deep and fertile terra preta soil. When witnessed by other Orc.png races from the outside, these unique, managed forest ecosystems are frequently referred to as “Elf Woods.”.

Have you ever tried doing something with only 20% of the required budget, thinking, "We'll find investors later for this unprecedented project that might not break even when it's finished"?

>>2166176 (OP)
GE isn't dead.

>>2172141
why would ccp need hooded horse for money laundering when they have tencent? I keep seeing people saying hooded horse is shady but never any reasons why.

>>2178980
Because they are paracuck shill plants

>>2178568
>Civilized elves frequently employ growth alteration methods on certain K-selected trees to create the scaffolding for homes or larger structures. They are also known to create “sky gardens” atop such trees as well, where they transplant terra preta soil and grow leafy vegetables, spices, and herbs that can no longer be grown at the forest floor due to light restrictions. In fact, in advanced Elvish late succession forest societies, very little light makes it to the forest floor, thus a large proportion of social activity exists toward the canopy. At the forest bottom, older elvish societies construct sophisticated irrigation networks to hydrate the soil and prevent forest fires.

>As civilized elvish societies age, they also begin to replace the other inhabitants of the forest as well. Animals that once ran wild are domesticated and selectively bred for food or other resources. Those that do not serve a purpose--- either for their role as a resource or for their ecosystem services--- are gradually driven to local extinction. Fat, meaty squirrels lumber across the trees. Aquacultured mussels and carp dwell in pools beneath the trees. Cuddly tree sloths are kept for companionship, but also for their exceptionally hard, sharp, and trimmable claws. Even the insects of the forest are brought to bear for the purpose of elder elvish civilization. Juicy termites, honeypot ants, and honey bees are all meticulously cultured for food or selectively bred for venom which may be used in warfare. While not known to be exceptional miners, elves will selectively breed animals with incredibly hard and resilient bones or thick hides which can be used for either construction material or components in weapons and armor.

>>2179480
>The only predators that remain in the forests are those which were domesticated, thus Elf Wood tends to be an exceptionally safe place for its elvish residents. Because they feel safer at home, civilized elves are almost always less shy and more curious about the outside world than feral elves. That being said, their attitude toward the outside world is very different than most other races. Permanent residents or citizens of other races and cultures are extremely rare in most elder Elvish Societies. Such societies fear the risk of spies, but fear just as much the dangers of new ideas.

>That’s not to say that members of these elder elvish societies don’t enjoy the occasional visitor, but they do so in the way that Helmet.png humans enjoy circus animals or freak shows: as a curiosity that won’t remain in their community for long. A lion in a cage that breezes through town is interesting for a few days, but begins to be perceived as a danger if it lingers indefinitely. Naïve outsiders who don’t understand elvish languages and mannerisms will often report their elvish hosts as being extremely kind and generous during their brief stays. Scholars fluent in the nuances of elvish culture, however, know better. Visitors from the outside are viewed as either cute, naïve children or pitiable, primitive barbarians in need of charity.

>>2179486
>Elder forest-dwelling elvish societies rarely leave home to strike at enemies far from their forest homes. Instead, elves will often pursue multi-century plans to either outlast their enemies or encroach upon their territories by promoting the growth of forests (from which they can easily strike their enemies, then retreat to the safety of the trees). Pushing the boundary of the forest results in higher rates of evapotranspiration, transforming the baseline biome and altering local rainfall patterns. From these expanded buffer zones elves can then launch raids against their enemies, weaken the hinterland of their enemies, and then swallow that hinterland in new forest from whence they can launch further raids. Typically, this pressure--- when considered in conjunction with the usual bouts of political turmoil that exists in the societies of younger races--- is enough to defeat most threats.

>There is one way conspicuous way in which civilized elves are eager to connect in a positive fashion with the other Orc.png races: the spice trade. An elves’ longevity is contingent on satisfying a radically diverse diet. An elf requires many fold more vitamins, minerals, and other trace nutrients in order to meet the needs of their internal cellular repair mechanisms, and it can be challenging (or impossible) to meet those needs domestically. Thus, elvish civilized societies are known to create “trade zones” on the edge of their forest territories, where they actively court spice merchants from abroad. As an aside, Elvish cooking is by default gourmet, and to the outsider, their food is perceived to be either famously delicious or famously painful.

>>2179496
>In return, elven masterwork goods and knowledge are sought after, as they have no equal. Elves thrive at intellectual pursuits and artistry, as a single individual can continue to expand their understanding of the world and hone their skills for many years. An elven scholar is unrivaled in the breadth of their knowledge, and an elven smith who has spent 500 years mastering their swordsmithing has no equal. Because elves are lower in number than other races, however, masterwork elven goods are known to be extremely rare in the world at large.

>When elvish leaders allow members of their societies to travel abroad for reasons other than securing the spice trade, it is usually with the pretext of understanding threats and challenges that exist abroad, not generally out of some intrepid spirit of exploration. In elder elvish societies, its common to hear phrases like: “No elf ever grew as old as the hills by wondering what was beyond the next hill.” Cultural cautionary tales abound about the young elf that integrated into the fast paced culture of another race, only to find that culture having turned on them once the generation that had initially welcomed them had been put in the ground.

>Elvish caution is understandably accompanied with elvish political conservatism. Not only is “what we already know” safer, but it takes longer for newer generations with fresher ideas to replace older generations with entrenched ideas. This typically results in highly sophisticated, refined elvish cultures which are slow to adapt and evolve. Elves are known to have an exceptional, deep understanding of the world, but that deep understanding is often resistant to revision.

>>2181192
>While outsiders might assume that elves are somehow innately conservative, this is not the case. The dilemma of the elf is simply that their long lives make overt risks less rewarding. An elvish society may very well decide to develop or adopt the intrepid and adventurous cultural attitudes often associated with Helmet.png humans or goblins, but would find themselves severely punished and less able to recover from calamities that incur casualties. The result is a kind of societal natural selection process whereby adventurous elvish societies are culled while cautious ones endure. However, there should be many circumstances whereby elves might mitigate these vulnerabilities. For instance, Elves that form mutualistic or parasitic relationships with other Orc.png races might overcome the drawbacks of a more ambitious, outward looking societal perspective. An agrarian elvish society living in the open plains might develop a hegemony among other nearby races. A multiracial army with a core of elite elvish archers need not ever face the risks of direct combat, leaving most of the casualties to faster growing Helmet.png humans or Orc.png orcs. What’s more, the elves might not bother farming at all, but instead exist in a fortified metropolis as the “intelligencia” class in a given region, trading their educational services, bureaucratic management, and production of artisanal goods for a rich diet of foodstuffs.

>>2181760
>In warfare, virtually every soldier of civilized elvish societies are either veteran or elite. In most cases, they are trained for decades before they ever risk their lives in the field of battle. While perfectly willing to fight, they tend to avoid pitched battles as best they can, and thus rely on skirmishing and ambushes using bows and other ranged weapons. If forced into a direct battle (for instance, if a holy site or ancient grove were attacked) then elvish soldiers would be devastating nonetheless. However, the great weakness of elvish armies is their inability to replenish casualties. While the average elvish soldier can have lifetimes worth of combat experience, a human society can replenish their ranks in a few years in the face of a single terrible defeat. An elvish society facing that same defeat could be a 500 year setback.

And that's about it for the elves.
Yeah I know it's mucho texto but it's some interesting stuff.

I remember reading about the dwarves and how they get their nutrients mostly from beer, and how whenever a mountain gets too crowded some of them migrate to another one, sometimes in human territory. Such a shame their page is lost.

>>2182487
It also had some poems

'I am the trapper, who tames misty woods,'
'I am the merchant, who peddles rare goods,'
'I am the draftsman, who builds to the sky,'
'I am the warrior, whose deeds never die.'

'I am the foremen, who toils in the mines,'
'I am the vestal, who prays at her shrine,'
'I am the wanderer, who treks foreign lands,'
'I am the raider, who prowls desert sands.'

'The baker, the forager, the fine feudal lord,'
'The gambler and the monk at the edge of the world,'
'I am the being who settles all lands,'
'I am the spirit of man.'

>>2168078
Found this on the subreddit on the dwarves, perhaps is the same as what was on the wiki?:

https://www.reddit.com/r/SongsOfTheEons/comments/dtwq7z/race_profile_dwarves_are_highly_civilized_highly/

>>2188634
Nice find!

>perhaps is the same as what was on the wiki?
Yes it definitely feels that way.
They even got the poems and the stats along with them.

I also found the Vermen and Harpy posts:

https://www.reddit.com/r/SongsOfTheEons/comments/c74nxa/meet_the_vermen_sotes_hyper_generalist_hyper/

https://www.reddit.com/r/SongsOfTheEons/comments/bq66bi/say_hello_to_harpies_sotes_first_winged_race/

>>2167439
>classic case of the "ideas guy"
Lel, I was in his Discord, he actually got offended if you asked if he programmed anything and weren't blown away by his idea-guying. Which when I left since I realized this game would never see the light of day and anyone who was seriously hyped for it was a moron.

>>2166176 (OP)
>Grey Eminence dead
they're fine, they're trying to get a publisher. have faith, the other one I have no clue.

>>2182487
it's a shame that ideasguyfags seldom have the actual making shit real chops to back it all up
t. ideasguy

>>2167439
>>2192058
I remember last time I was in the Discord they were regularly posting updates on the development.
Granted I'm not sure how much code was applied.

>>2192647
I will believe it once I see them actually get a publisher, until then it can be safely assumed it was a failure or an outright scam.

>>2166176 (OP)
>Songs of Conquest
>Songs of Syx
>Songs of Silence
>Songs of the Eons
Is this "Clash of..." but for the PC?

>>2197693
It was progressing until the tranny who did the coding decided to have an uncharacteristic woman moment and left to find
>her
self

>>2167088
Github links?

>>2166176 (OP)
>>Grey Eminence dead
People warned you day 1 that this was a patreon scam.

>>2197970
No it's the onion gape icon.

>>2166176 (OP)
>Grey Eminence dead
Given how Gilded Destiny's development has been going, who gives a shit

>>2197970
I'm a Song of Saya man myself

>>2166176 (OP)
Now realistic vision for the scope of the game
Next question!

>>2166176 (OP)
Grey Eminence could be resurrected as a mod of EUV, but not going that far. But at this point is just Meiuou&Taxes V