Thread 2167471

Tinto Talks #83 - 8th of October 2025
https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/developer-diary/tinto-talks-83-8th-of-october-2025.1862270/
Hello, and welcome to another Tinto Talks, the happy Wednesdays where we talk about Europa Universalis V!

Today, we will be talking about the Revolution! This is the most relevant mechanic for the Late Game, giving its name to the last age, the Age of Revolutions! Let’s take a look at it without ado:

The Revolution in EU5 is a disaster that may happen to a settled country that is a Great Power, that has embraced the Enlightenment institution, with an average Literacy higher than 50%, and whose Peasant estate satisfaction is low, or whose Peasant or Burgher estates are taxed heavily. The size of the Revolution will depend on factors such as Stability, Absolutism, Literacy, Discontent, etc.

uh johan you already did the revolution
and today is thursday

EU5 will objectively be better than EU4, but it still won't be good. The dynasties are a simplified form of CK3, the economy is a simplified form of Victoria 3, the warfare is a simplified form of HoI, the design philosophy is "jack of all trades, master of none."
Like, if you want economy, just play Vicky. The only thing EU5 will be good for is using your CPU as a heater.

we have over 20.000 modifierslop, not one thing emulates real life ahh game

if you start as ulm, form nepal, religion switch to judaism and form tier 3 israel THEN form russia you can get the icon of st moses for a +25% mountain combat bonus efficiency, if you combine that with the maori special units unlocked after completing the unification of zululand decision you can get +33% combat efficiency bonus in tundra tiles

game of the year

so according to our genius resident railroaders the italian wars will never fire or are gonna be a france curbstomp all day every day
rest in piss pope

>>2167758
>>2167763
>>2167774
Bot posts?

>>2167777
Checked and someone really hates paradox. Maybe that one studio that rips off other strategy games, hooded horse or whatever, is planning on releasing a Europa clone.

>>2167777
can't really say about the first two but i just caught up with last thread and found it funny that the doomers think byz is gonna hang around until endgame without player intervention just because
also quads

>>2167751
>EU5 will objectively be better than EU4, but it still won't be good. The dynasties are a simplified form of CK3, the economy is a simplified form of Victoria 3, the warfare is a simplified form of HoI, the design philosophy is "jack of all trades, master of none."


that's what EU has always been

>>2167788
>just because
Just because literally every screenshot they've shown of the game past 1500 has them in it.

>>2167804
EU has never been good. EU5 is supposedly the installment that makes it good.

>>2167777
You cracked the case, anon. Someone wrote a bot to post anti-eu5 posts on 4chan.org/vst/.

>>2167805
Where? The only screenshot with a late game byzantium I've seen is the one where someone was playing it

>>2167820
I don't know how to say this without sounding like a schizo, but to me somehow this looks more like an EU3 screenshot than an EUIV screenshot, probably because of the flatter textures.

>>2167825
Can't be EU3, Bohemia isn't in Vladivostok.

>>2167826
I meant aesthetically, but touche lol

>>2167820
One other thing I forgot to mention, but I hope there'll be a toggle or something so that you can have countries labeled by their short names instead of "Peasant Republic of Whatever". I hated seeing wordslop on maps in HOI4 mods and I hate seeing it here.

>>2167820
All of the preview vids. They all ended around 1437 and Byzantium had not only not lost territory but expanded in all of them. In real life in 1437 Byzantium was reduced to just Morea and the city of Constantinople itself.
https://youtu.be/KSMm8dcTwVA&t=1665
https://youtu.be/aKvWG7Taov8&t=1470
https://youtu.be/IvlW5xI8XJ8&t=1717
>inb4 old build
>inb4 they didn't die until 1453
>inb4 cope

>>2167839
>old build
>they didn't die until 1453
both true and valid points

>>2167812
Be ambitious.

>>2167849
But by 1437 they had substantially lost territory where as in EU5 they don't lose any territory at all.

>>2167839
As long as Paradox has given some content to represent the effects them lingering has on the rest of Europe, I don't see it as much of a problem. It isn't super unbelievable to have things go differently there from the new start date. We really don't know how common this actually is. Reminder that Paradox said on later EU4 updates that both Qing and Prussia regularly formed for them but neither of those actually end up commonly happening in most players' games. Paradox playtesting computers are haunted. I could also see them artificially bumping Byzantine success forwards to court the people obsessed with the country.

>>2167853
>As long as Paradox has given some content to represent the effects them lingering has on the rest of Europe, I don't see it as much of a problem.
If Byzantium is going to consistently exist past 1453 I want:
1. Reasons they didn't collapse.
2. Reasons the Ottomans didn't eclipse them.
3. Effects on the wider Europe (Increased religious zeal? Stunted renaissance?)
The reality is there'll be none of this. Byzzie will just live for no reason and if you complain about it the response will be "read a book if you want history lmao"

Content creator embargo will be lifted November 2

>>2167855
That's late as fuck, only 2 days before release? Probably hoping as many people drink the koolaid as possible before then.

A reminder that PDX can still be persuaded to make a 15th century start date down the line, though that will probably cost us. I see those Ottomans and Austrians underperforming in every screenshot.

>>2167858
Later start dates are always shit, half the mechanics are already played out by then.

If you start CK3 in 1178 or even 1066 the techs are all janky and the balancing of forts/MAA is broken. Every GSG is made to be played from one start date and everything other than that is a gimmick.

>>2167855
No one is gonna watch their shit lol. We can easily ignore them for two days and then never have to watch again.

I think it's silly to be concerned with country balance before the game even releases. If Byzantium is surviving too often, make them weaker, easy. Every EU4 patch had different countries doing well. What should worry you is how illogically the AI blobs with these random naval enclaves and horrible borders, not which country is doing it.

>>2167854
You are freaking out about something thats nothing more than finetuning the Balance

>>2167855
flop incoming
shackle opinions for as long as possible

>>2167865
>>2167864
But they never will "finetune the balance", because the reddit memers and streaming grifters with just say "oh neat heckin byzanterino is still around!" and that will be the extent of the "criticism" levelled at it.
For all the talk of EU5 being a "simulationist" game, it will inevitably just be another blobber for clickbait videos like EU4 is.
https://youtu.be/baUbHSdrU40

>>2167864
>What should worry you is how illogically the AI blobs with these random naval enclaves and horrible borders
0 control provinces that have zero accepted pops (either culture or religion) should just immediately declare independence. There's no reason Morocco should hold parts of Catalonia while a big Castillian hegemon sits two feet across the border.

>>2167855
>halloween MP game
kino

>>2167855
Official narrative is so they don't cause "peak hype" too soon
looks like another pump and dump

>>2167909
Peak hype will be when I am opening the game or maybe when I'm selecting a tag.

>>2167936
Peak hype will be when I uninstall this dogshit after a single Portugal slavemaxxing jap colonizing game.

>>2167474
>The Revolution in EU5 is a disaster

>>2167864
>I think it's silly to be concerned with country balance before the game even releases.
It's a canary in the coal mine, the fact that they see it and didn't fix it means they can't fix it systemically and instead have to resort to "players whine -> give a -10% penalty until they stop whining" cycle. The same thing applies to the illogical borders too. They will just tune AI aggression down if people complain but they had it at that level for a reason (so that the AI does something in the first place)

I fully doubt the AI will actually use the systems in the game.
Yeah, the player will move slaves from West Africa to the Caribbean to work on sugar plantations, earn a lot of money through it, and it'll be fun to be a chud, but the AI won't. They won't know to create slave trade centers in West Africa, they won't know to move the slaves to profitable sugar RGOs in the new world, and there is absolutely zero chance they ever address this. They're not going to have a full development team working on implementing historically accurate slave trading because the bun haired latte sippers don't want to simulate something deplorable, so the end result is the player will be the sole agent who benefits from it.

>>2167949
That doesn't make any sense because the supposed problem you're complaining about is only apparent in less than a handful of youtuber previews from 6 months ago

>>2167955
The fact they've got such a complete blackout of new content isn't a redflag for you?

>>2167953
the slave trade modelling is left as an exercise to the reader
make a mod if you want it

>>2167960
>the slave trade modelling is left as an exercise to the reader
tf does this even mean

>>2167961
it's what advanced math textbooks and lecturers say when they are feeling to lazy to detail a proof

>>2167959
No. Do you think e-celebs should not only be given the game a year before release, but also be allowed to freely make as much content as they want whenever they want?

>>2167963
I think if they were confident of their game they would show more of it. Hiding it behind cherrypicked dev diaries is indicative they don't want people to see it before they've already bought it.

>>2167962
No I mean how does that follow on from saying the AI won't use it and they won't ever fix that?
They've shown detailed slave trade mechanics, but it requires the AI to actively know to build slave stations in West Africa and export the slaves to the caribbean, which the AI won't do.

>>2167965
yeah so make a mod if you want the ai to engage with it
it's left as an exercise to the reader
are you autistic?

>>2167967
>use expression wrong
>get called on it
>"a-are you autistic?"

>>2167964
You mean how literally every single other video game does it? What complete nonsense, they've shown plenty of gameplay and even released a full 20 minute AAR just a week ago. I suppose they had to re-record that until they got a campaign where Byzantium didn't survive, lest the whole conspiracy would've been exposed.

>>2167973
Looks like we're going to have to keep defining the parameters until you stop being deliberately obtuse.

Do you not think it's suspect that they allowed content creators to put out one carefully tailored video no longer than 30 minutes, not going past 1437 months ago and then imposed a complete blackout until two days before release?
Your argument about every other game doesn't make any sense when they've already allowed content creators to release videos on it, but now have gone cold.

>>2167977
No, it's all purely about marketing and manufacturing hype.
It is weird that they gave full access to people so long before release, it is not suspect that those people have to abide by embargoes and restrictions.
They haven't "gone cold" by the way, they are constantly talking about the game, patches, the meta and the balance, and not always positively, it's just gameplay footage that's not allowed.
The game has wrinkles and they're plain for everyone to see, no one is being fooled into preordering the game just to have the rug pulled from underneath them two days later, and to suggest otherwise because you simply demand to see every detail about it months before release is to stupidest thing I've read in a long time.

>>2167986
They're happy to show literally every detail of the game in carefully choreographed dev diaries where they have full control of what's being shown, but they won't even trust their nodding dog sychophants to display it incase they go off-script. This is because they know the game is shit and anything other than their photoshopped cherry picked idealist facade they're able to control would show that.

Hope you'll be here in a month, nigga, can't wait for your apology.

>>2167991
The contract for this type of work usually ends at release so doubt it.

>>2167751
>the design philosophy is "jack of all trades, master of none."
That was always the case for EU.
EU3 has a simpler combat system than HoI2 or 3, simpler economy than Vic1 or 2 etc.
Not having the best system for those does not matter for the series.

>>2167851
So? In EU4 after 100 years into the game you'd end up with ahistoric developments too.

The fact this game does not have dedicated schizos like vic 3 had ('member the "you will buy it anyway" or the "AAAAAH SHIT IS CRAWLING OUT OF MY ANUS" guys?) makes me feel quite optimistic.

>>2168047
I was one of the fecal posters for vic 3. Never even tried the game

>>2168047
Or the MOMMY THEY TOOK MY TOY SOLDIERS AWAY guy

>>2168047
I'm glad I am not autistic enough to like Vic3

>>2168102
Thank you for your service.

>>2168047
They just changed their marketing approach, they tried to be too "hip and cool" and it backfired (not that the game being shit helped but you know)

>CC embargo ends on the 2nd
>MP livestream on the 31st
those swedish fricks

>>2168220
>Embargo lifts 2 days before release.
OHNONONONONO HAHAHAHAHA EU5 DEFENDERS IN SHAMBLES!

>>2167471 (OP)
>>2167474
I WANT TO PLAY I WANT TO PLAY AHHHH FUCK OCTOBER FUCK THIS RETARDED FILLER MONTH

>>2168225
Which is 1 day more than it was for Elden Ring, or BF6, o, 2 days more than KCD2.
Same time frame as Armored Core 6 had, or AC Shadows or Stellar Blade.

tl;dr: (you)'re mind broken

>>2168239
>Which is 1 day more than it was for Elden Ring, or BF6, o, 2 days more than KCD2.
>Same time frame as Armored Core 6 had, or AC Shadows or Stellar Blade.
All bad games.

>>2167962
Reduced to problem previously solved.

>>2168253
Cope, seethe even

>>2168239
Some of these comparisons are unfair. BF6 had an open beta months before the release of the game.
Meanwhile we are less than a month away from the release of EUV and they have already announced DLC for it. We have had no non-curated footage of the game for months, we don't know basic information about the game like its size or achievements, and the performance still looks like shit. Not to talk about the recommended specs that are absolutely ridiculous.

>>2168259
You are taking the bait, you shouldn't do that. He is not arguing in good faith and is likely being paid per post.

https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/developer-diary/tinto-flavour-42-10th-of-october-2025-austria.1862553/

Tinto Flavour #42 - 10th of October 2025 - Austria

Hello, and welcome one more Friday to Tinto Flavour, the happy days in which we take a look at the flavour content of Europa Universalis V!

Today, we will be taking a look at the content for Austria! As per the amount of content, Austria is a Tier 1 country, which means that it has a lot of historical flavour content. However, its starting situation is not as solid as in EU4, as the HRE is ruled by the Wittelsbach dynasty, while the Luxembourg dynasty is probably the most powerful, due to its holding of Bohemia. Let's now take a look at Austria, without further ado:

>>2168259
>achievements
No one gives a shit

>>2168259
>BF6 had an open beta months before the release of the game
Sure but those never meant much with BF.
And the review embargo is still similar.
Point being: a 2 day interval between release and review embargo being lifted is nothing special and not really indicative of anything.

>>2168259
>achievements
Stopped reading here

>>2168267
>5% of your bread being sawdust is an industry standard and you are weird for complaining about it.

>>2168263
>aiieeee everyone that disagrees with me is a paid shill
Like I said you're a mind broken nigger. Even kikes aren't that mentally ill and they are experts at it.

>>2167953
Surely it wouldn't be hard to set up AI weights

>>2168266
Well I do.

>>2168269
>Austria
>primary culture: bavarian
heh

Let's now start taking a look at the structural content, which in the case of Austria, is not much:

Some of the Advances - as usual, one per age, although Austria has 17 in total:

>>2168271
In what kind of third world shit hole do you life that sawdust is in your bread?

>>2168267
>Sure but those never meant much with BF.
That's just like, your opinion, man.

On the other hand, Austria has a lot of Narrative content, and also unlockable Structural content, via events:

We actually have about 190 DHEs, as they're spread a bit differently than other countries; Tirol has 24 DHEs, Styria has 16 DHEs, but all of them are available to the other Habsburg-ruled countries if they manage to consolidate all their lands.

A lot of the early game content revolves around the ruler of Tyrol, Margarete, with an event chain centred on her troubled marriage, and the intention of Austria to secure this County:

Some more events about the glory (or lack of it) of the Habsburgs:

The von Habsburgs are humble, aren't they?

>>2168272
I didn't say that, yet another bad faith response. Take your meds if you aren't being paid.

... By all necessary means:

It may have different outcomes depending on the time it triggers, if the ruler of Austria is the Emperor, etc., like these:

Or, if you succeed, you'll get this in addition:

As we can see in this thread. Shills (like leftists) pretend not to understand things, it's why any discussion with them is pointless.

Either Tyrol, or if Austria has annexed its lands, will get this event, which will be impactful:

There are also some events about the relations of Austria with the Catholic Church:

Also, a very important motto of the dynasty has to be created:

Do you see how humble the von Habsburgs are?

The von Habsburgs are also patrons of the arts, of course:

Especially in the late game:

>austrian
>mandate of oven

And, also, great statesmen are willing to serve the Habsburgs for the greater good - of the dynasty:

… And much more, but that’s all for today! Next week, there will be four posts, plus new videos!:

Monday -> Tinto Flags #2 Great Britain & Ireland, hosted by @SaintDaveUK !
Tuesday -> Tinto Flavour about Kanem Bornu & Songhai! (At 16:00 instead of the regular 15:00)
Wednesday -> Tinto Talks about Onboarding Systems, hosted by @Evife !
Thursday -> Tutorial Videos #0 & 1
Friday -> Tinto Flavour about Poland, Lithuania & Ruthenia! (At 16:00 instead of the regular 15:00)

And also remember, you can Pre-Purchase Europa Universalis V now! Cheers!

>>2168294
I went to the Schonbrunn a few years ago
Really cool place, could have spent a full day just wandering around the gardens.
Highly recommend visiting.

>>2168269
>Danube Bavarian
...what? How does this differ from "Austrian"

>>2168285
>I didn't say that, yet another bad faith response.
Sure: >>2168263
>He is not arguing in good faith and is likely being paid per post.
If it's up to you everything is a bad faith response

>>2168304
If your reading comprehension is so low that you in good faith claim that you think those 2 posts mean the same in English then you need meds more direly than I thought.

>>2168256
He's mostly right.

>>2168227
October is the month of enjoying the contrast and splendor of God's beautiful earth. Go outside.

>>2168324
shut up christcuck

>>2167825
And that's a good thing.

>>2167815
You have zero clue how trivial this is to do, and how many other boards, most notably /g/, have insane schizos that scrape looking for keywords; then they invade the thread.

>>2168327
I'm not a Christian.

>>2168345
which one?

>>2168356
Judenburg? Seems a little on the nose.

>>2168358
xD

I'm so deranged I nearly burst out in excited laughter when I read a YouTube comment where someone said their mother died on November 4th. I can't stop thinking about EU5 and spotting everything similar to it. Help me.

>>2168358
>>2168345
>
Thank you Austria

>>2168374
>Eppenstein castle
Lol

>>2168384
the more things change, the more they stay the same

>judenburg
>völkermarkt

>>2168374
>In 1938, with the annexation of Austria by Nazi Germany, Judenburg became part of the Third Reich. Due to the presence of the word Jude ("Jew") in the town's name, many possible new names were suggested, including Zirbenstadt (after Zirbe, the German name for the Swiss pine tree) and Adolfsburg (in honor of Adolf Hitler). However, the planned renaming was indefinitely postponed after the outbreak of war and ultimately never happened.
Judenburg is too strong pls nerf

>>2168283
>145 Hapsburg Events
Feels so fucking good to not have Voltairefags in the design team

>>2168396
>the planned renaming was indefinitely postponed after the outbreak of war and ultimately never happened
>They didn't even rename it
They actual Nazis were rather Laissez-faire about this thing.

>>2168394
Spoiler for lategame bro

>>2168396
Kind of reminds me of what was done in America to German culture during WW1. Hmmm.

>>2167854
The best you will get is dlc with scripted events for specific country just like its done in eu4. Brainlet ai will almost always choose the bad options thus making ottos dominant power.

Have they explained how you can change your government type?

>>2168415
Heh.
Imo the worst aspect was that people even killed dachshunds due to their association with germany.

>>2168440
oh no not the heckin pupperinos!!!!!!!!

>>2168444
This but unironically, Chinaman

>>2168444
Only subhumans kill doggos, shitbulls not included.

>>2168440
>redditmals
Leave

>>2168478
>Reddit Sapien
Off the Internet, fleshbag.

>>2168478
>hating animals
Picture attached for your consideration

Have they said which pops you can make into slaves and where they can be sent? Can I bring Japanese slaves to Europe?

>>2168526
I hope you can enslave jeets and then have the trade ships mysteriously sink in the ocean.

>>2168528
Making the world a better place, one ship at a time

>>2168374
>Judenburg world conquest playthrough
Thanks for the idea, anon

>>2168105
I have never got toy soldier niggers. V2 combat wasn't "deep" or "complex", you put a 30k stack in Metz, waited until the AI attacked it, then dogpiled another 3 30k stacks. V3 combat is shit (mainly due to the ugly character AI and jankness) but Vicky fundementally does not need or benefit from toy soldiers.

>>2168551
Probably because they're playing MP not versus AI

>>2168555
That's the same thing though, you're just rotating 30k stacks in and out.

>>2168563
And finding gaps in the line, planning offensives, doing naval landings, encircling, counter-encircling, breaking encirclements, protecting reserves, reinforcing, managing generals... you know, the stuff you do in a strategy game. As opposed to watching a progress bar. That's the point of toy soldiers, they're gameplay. Removing units removes a leg from the table and doesn't replace it, so the whole thing falls over in a heap.

>>2168551
Most who act like Victoria 3 is a downgrade are comparing it to Vic2 mods. It absolutely is better than vanilla 2 in a lot of ways. It is just a disappointment compared to what should be in a modern Paradox game. This is probably part of why there is so much mod inspiration in EU5. Other than being a natural path and what the devs want too, they probably partially just made sure no one could say a modded EU4 is better so they don't repeat the Victoria 3 situation.

>>2168570
You're not doing any of that, it's a huge meatgrinder on one tile. I'm not arguing it's inaccurate, it's basically WW1, but it's not engaging or challenging.

And if Vicky 3 frontlines were implemented well they would actually be a better model of that.

>>2168573
That all does happen in MP. Though it does require rulesets to be fair. I guess if you have no rules at all yeah maybe everything becomes a big years long deathball on one tile like it's EU4 and everyone auto retreats wherever they want.

>>2168571
Now they've finally got their heads out their asses and added a worldmarket the V3 economic game is better than the V2 economic game, and Vicky is supposed to be an economic game.
Military only matters in so far as it impacts the economic game (building ammunition factories, acquiring third world resources).
No argument will ever make me think military should be simulated in any depth in Vicky.

The only game I'm mad about the military is the downgrade from HoI3 OoB to HoI4's simplified arcade version, because unlike liqqy that is a wargame.

Will EUV be more difficult than EUIV? It looks closer to Victoria 3 than EUIV

>>2168576
>toy soldiers are essential to victoria
>why?
>because people in mp (5%~ of all games) use it
>they don't though
>they do if there are rulesets in place
you're arguing it's essential for a fraction of a fraction of the playerbase

>>2168583
I mean alright, if we're gonna strawman

>strategy games don't need units
>why?
>because controlling the units is too easy
>so let's just remove them all and make it cookie clicker instead
wow I won the imageboard argument contest, we did it reddit

>>2168585
>googiegligger
You're just spamming buzzwords now.
Rotating 30k stacks is far closer to a cookie clicker than frontlines.
I'm not even defending frontlines, the way they're implemented is shit, but if they reworked them they'd be more compelling than shifting 30s.

>>2168303
Danube Bavarian is the Bavarian ethnic group that lives in the Danube River valley between the Alps and Bohemian Forest. This is in contrast to their Southern Bavarian brothers who have adapted to life higher in the Alps. Both are descended from the ancient Baiuvarii and both groups collectively make up the present identity commonly known as Austrian today, while German Bavarians are predominantly Danubian ones.

south danube forest bantus

>>2168303
It doesn't, that's why you have been sent back from our twisted nationalist future to unify all the unique local medieval cultures into one obedient gray blob

>>2168595
>people made fun of certain vicky 2 mods adding culture bloat
>eu5 triples down on it
funny

>>2168602
They've moved on to seething about K**v (censored for cultural sensitivity)

hope russia invades turkey so we're all forced to call it tŭrkïye and criticize anyone who fails to

If your "culture" has a geographic indicator in it it isn't real

>>2168526
Christians can't enslave christians unless you're a colonial nation, that's the only restriction I know of

>>2168616
So how does converting the captured West Africans to Christianity work? Do they become free?

>>2168620
they live in your colonial subjects can't you read

If your "vagina" was previously a penis is not a real vagina

>>2168629
>colonize 4 locations
>move africans there
>they convert to christianity
>colonial nation not yet formed
>they become free

I WANNA PLAY AS GRÆNLAND ALREADY, FUUUUCK.

>>2168614
Most culture names are either geographic indicators or unknown origin. "Latin" is a geographic indicator referring to wide plains. "English" comes from the name of the Angles who are named after the narrow river they lived near. "Russian" comes from an old Finnic name for the Swedes, which derived from the name of a specific geographical region by the coast where they arrived from. The Han Chinese are named after the Han dynasty which is named after the Han river. The name of Japan simply indicates that it's in the east.
only a few are exceptions. Like "French" and "German" both come from words meaning "spear" or "javelin" which illustrates that they're barbarian spear-chuckers.

Why are so many anons hears angry about them announcing the DLCs before the game is out? Don't they know that Steam's policy on season passes forces developers to announce all the contents (with a brief descriptions of each) that is going to be included with the seasons pass and when it's going to release. This is why we know we are going to have a Immersion pack about Byzantium and Two Chronicle Pack about Spain/morocco and France/Scotland.

>>2168526
You can't enslave or have slaves of your on religion group, if you have slaves that converts to your religion group then they become free. Christians are the expectation to this as they can not enslave other people, and thus must by slaves from non-Christian nations. If they have enough influence they are able to force non-christian nation to build a slave market that convert the local population into slave that the europeans can buy. There are probably some expectations to this, but this is the general rule. Also I have heard from some content creators that there are a slavery law that you can change that influences how slavery work.

This combined with their relatively week unique advances is why christianity is considered one of the weakest religions meta-wise also.

>>2168674
>autistic literalism
you know full well i mean terms like "mountain", "forest", or cardinal directions

>>2168675
>if you have slaves that converts to your religion group then they become free
But this is the complete opposite of history where blacks were taught Christianity.

>>2168675
The Christian religions might be lacking in magic powers, but surely Latin liturgical language has the best research potential and the geography of the European countries is already the best, so it probably doesn't matter. I bet taking a bunch of slaves is strong in the early game but long-term an actual slave industry is much stronger and only colonial empires can manage that.

The endgame meta is probably building slave markets in China to crash the price of slaves and steal 900 trillion pops.

>>2168691
Unlike Africans the Chinks wouldn't willingly sell their own people into slavery.

>>2168691
Actually scratch that, the meta must be to start as a Muslim country, race to grab a bunch of slaves from every country on earth, then revert to Catholicism and slingshot into a colonial empire. The re-re-reconquista

>>2168694
I'm not sure about Chinese but I know the Japanese actually did do that, and Japan has a ton of population in this game so it'd be almost as good as plundering China's pops

>>2168694
The Chinese irl are willing to sell their environment for an extra buck. You could even say they sell their people by making them slave in factories.

I wonder if it's a good idea to sell slaves as a west african country
Even if it makes you bank you're selling pops which surely can't be a good thing

>>2168699
Every country does that, some are just more honest about it.

>>2168703
I don't think this is completely like Victoria 3 where you are trying to find how much you can exploit your population. Sure having a population that is too low would be a problem and a country with an absolutely humongous population would have an advantage. But I somewhat doubt trading some away is that disadvantageous if it lets you get significantly stronger than your neighbors as a result. You could even use it, grow huge, cut off slavery to collapse the slave trade, and then exploit the European's weakness to go conquer all the land they've put your people in. Maybe then you can be in a position to make European's sell their population.

>>2168703
There will be no financial incentive for African chiefs to sell their pops into slavery, it is FULLY prompted by Europeans either leveraging nefarious influence on then Africans or directly warring them to force them to build slave trading stations.

Can't have people thinking Africans had any culpability in the slave trade.

>>2168675
>angry about them announcing the DLCs before the game is out?
Can give the appearance of it being base game content which is locked behind a paywall solely to milk the customer
>Don't they know that Steam's policy on season passes forces developers to announce all the contents
My guess no they don't
>t. guy that didn't know about it

>>2168703
Would be nice if we could go to war/raid our neighbors to collect slaves and sell them.
Would be realistic and a better mechanic than selling your own pop

Is anybody interested in the DLC?
>byzzie blobber
>some random early game buffs to castille and an al-andalus mission tree
>hundred years war overhaul

>>2168711
>I don't think this is completely like Victoria 3 where you are trying to find how much you can exploit your population
that's true actually, most people say it's impossible to completely depeasantise

>>2168727
>>some random early game buffs to castille and an al-andalus mission tree
>>hundred years war overhaul
these two because it will provide content for the protagonist of history

>>2168703
That's why you capture different culture pops from deeper in the interior to sell in your slave markets. It's basically printing money.

>>2168735
Africans don't sell slaves. Slave markets are a building imposed upon them by Europeans and all profits go to Europeans.

>>2168283
Margarete is a cutie but she's marrying that goofy-looking spaz?

>>2168739
Really lame. I'm sure this is still fun gameplaywise. But it pushes a very problematic distortion of history.

>>2168582
It has more in common with imperator actually

>>2168478
>Being benevolent to a creature that has no understanding of the world beyond its immediate understanding
>That's Reddit.

Yeah I'm Reddit then. Churchill, FDR and Hitler too.

>>2168727
>byzzie blobber
byzzie stuff will always be wanted by byzaboos, although with it existing I see little reason to touch them before that releases
>some random early game buffs to castille and an al-andalus mission tree
Neat enough for al-andalus I guess but doesn't sound like a big deal
>hundred years war overhaul
Not really an overhaul now is it? just some scotland france interaction stuff which is a bit lame

Big issue with all of these is that we know too little as to what they encompass

>boot up EU5
>play france
>lose the HYW as fast as possible
>england forms a union
>become the senior partner because your power level is higher than england
>annex england
heh, nothin personnel... rosbif....

>>2168809
I really hope there is some sort of representation of the humiliation of losing to balance things out.

Well regarding the indigenous people in South America, Spain did care about converting them but also kept them under a serfdom-like system combined with their caste autism (picrel) to keep them in servitude
IF Paradox managed to emulate this, either by placing conditions on the pop system or making a new system exclusive for colonies, they could integrate black christian slaves into colonies while making the mass enslavement of idk Swiss pops impossible
But knowing Paradox this is all a big IF

>>2168589
>but if they reworked them they'd be more compelling than shifting 30s.
No, they would just find yet ANOTHER way to fuck it up. Don't forget that the system has already been reworked like 5 whole times in Vic3 by now. The system might have been decent had it not been conceived and implemented by retards, but with pdx we're never getting that.

>>2168297
The last two Tinto Flavours were announced, so we're getting these four
>Oct 14 - Kanem Bornu & Songhai
>Oct 17 - Poland, Lithuania & Ruthenia
>Oct 21 - More Africa
>Oct 24 - Switzerland & the Hansa

>>2168911
Africa, Ruthenia, and then insanely wealthy fuckers? Very funny.

>>2168748
>Yeah I'm Reddit then
We know

>>2168829
Only Charles and his staunchest supporters would be humiliated though, the rest of the french nobility was absolutely ready to jump ship and start nagging Henry's court down the road for concessions (specially the burgundians).

>>2168897
I still think they should add a race category to pops. It'll prevent us from having Nigerian slave pops converting to English culture and then us suddenly having a bunch of white slaves. Then you could easily add all sorts of racial laws, racial castes, segregation, miscegenation laws, racial nationalist pops, etc.

So does Burgundy get an event/decision to change their color from blue to burgundy after they reach a certain rank or something along those lines? Because some screenshots have them blue and others burgundy, I assume it has to do with Burgundy rise from being a French duchy to nearly being their own independent kingdom. And Burgundy is a tier one country, right?

>>2168945
Could be another case of subjects having their overlord's color

>>2168939
That's just a culture group. It's not like EU4, culture groups are like a tag that can be stuck on any number of cultures, any number of times. You can tag all the various cultures with races and even apply modifiers to them if you want. Same for fantasy mods.

>>2168945
They're blue because they're a subject of France and France is blue. It's a game rule you can toggle

>>2168947
>>2168949
It's a weird case though since Burgundy was always de jure a French duchy, they just became de facto independent as they grew stronger. So I'm just curious at what point does the game decide stop treating them like a subject of France and start treating them as an independent nation.

>>2168948
>Bohemian, German, West Slavic, and White

>>2168952
I think there's a mechanism in the HYW situation for subjects to break free or switch allegiances. If I remember right there was an official playthrough with Flanders where they did that? So most likely you'd do it that way.

>>2168952
I swear it was said that there sadly wasn't much special to represent Burgundy's independence. It is a shame if true because it was very impactful on history. I won't pretend to understand a lot about the situation but I don't really get why they thought this one was too hard to represent.

>>2168953
>slavs
>white

>>2168746
kek

>>2168961
>but I don't really get why they thought this one was too hard to represent
It's probably hard to implement Burgundy's actual situation in the game and have it work with pre-existing systems. As it stand subjects are mostly just a binary or tiered system where they're either a subject or not, and can either do certain things or not. It can't represent a situation where someone is nominally a subject and likely has some subject restrictions, but for the most part can do whatever they want anyways.

A better system would probably be some value that represents the actual degree of control or loyalty a country has over their subject which influence the chances or percentage that they'll do subject things instead of independent things, like if France has at least 50% subject control over Burgundy they can stop them from declaring their own wars or some shit like that and subject control is dependent on diplomacy and relative power, so as Burgundy gets stronger due to inheriting the lowlands and France has to tardwrangle their other vassals they'll gradually lose subject control which lets Burgundy technically be a subject under France, but still let them declare wars on their own and have their own subjects as well.
However I can see why they wouldn't want to implement this system, players would absolutely hate having to do more micro for their subjects and having your strongest vassal decide to start conquering shit on their own and ignoring your call to arms because they gained 1 point of development would lead to a lot of player complaints.
But it would absolutely historically simulate feudal Europe much better than the current system. France in particular was very decentralized and the French king struggled to control his barons until after the HYW when a lot of nobles were killed laying the foundations for centralization and absolutism.

>>2168982
This would mechanically be fun to play with, even if it may get annoying sometimes. The sort of trade off it could present in having a big subject starting to conquer for you but the more they do the more likely they'll become unmanageable, is pretty interesting too.

>>2168608
Devlet-i ʿAlīye-i ʿOs̱mānīye

>>2168952
no its the same as with the normans who "grew" out of being french vassals
just that the burgundian dukes were not able to establish themselves as kings

>>2168608
imagine being named after a bird

>>2168746
>Paradox kept custody of the kids in this divorce. Even the games the studio made before Paradox even owned them.
>So kids from previous marriages.

>>2168746
>you can thank me for V3 patches
Fuckwit with an ego, what a combination.

>>2169094
He's not wrong.

>>2168745
I have IR, you think playing it will make EUV easier for me?

why are the days going by so slowly

>>2169198
too many pops and buildings, get a better PC

>>2168543
From judenburg to judenworld

>>2168945
>>2168982
It doesn't help that the burgundy we see in EU5 isn't the same burgundy we see in EU4
In 1337 the duke is this guy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eudes_IV,_Duke_of_Burgundy
In 1361 his son dies and the king claims the duchy, who then grants it to his son phillip the bold, who founds the famous house of valois-burgundy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0IaR48FCTM

Satisfaction Map Mode in Europa Universalis V - EU5 Mapmode Spotlight

In today’s Europa Universalis V Mapmode Spotlight, we showcase the Population Satisfaction Map Mode. Your key to managing happy and loyal pops! See at a glance where your population thrives and where unrest brews. Learn how religion, culture, needs, estates, separatism, and integration affect pop satisfaction. Master your empire’s internal stability in EU5 and prevent rebellions before they begin using this map mode.

>>2168746
>Parakeks have their own Volound
Grim

>>2169327
From a brief glance at that guy, chudgun is nowhere near his level. He seems deeply obsessed with getting CA employees fired or some shit. I think funny potato man just wants to play non-shitty games and get some decent view numbers on his channel. It's not really his fault paradox shat out a fat steaming log continuously for like 5 years. Whereas I'm not into Total War, but I'm pretty sure the warhammer games are good?

>>2169338
>I think funny potato man just wants to play non-shitty games
Yeah he's just a spurned vicky 2 fan who only plays vic 2 mp and occasionally makes videos shitting on the newer games.
>Whereas I'm not into Total War, but I'm pretty sure the warhammer games are good?
I know the switch from historical titles to fantasy split the fanbase a bit. Might have something to do with that.

>>2169338
toyhammer is trash, also I would not be suprised if the next major historical TW game will be a flop anyway because of how many historical fans dropped this series over the last decade

What's the best processor if I want to play Europa Universalis V in 3 weeks??

>>2169433
You don't need to worry about it.

>>2169433
The best processer has not been invented yet.

>>2169433
AMD's -3D chips are especially good for paradox games, the 3D vcache seems to help them for some reason. I got a 7800x3d lately for unrelated reasons.

>>2169433
>what are recommended specs
Johan revealed to me in a dream that it takes a mid-sized data centre to run so I'm currently planning on taking Sundar Puchai hostage in order to play on release, if give me a hand on this I'll let you play for 30 minutes.

>>2169463
Only 30 minutes? That ain't worth it.
With so little time I'll take my chance with nabbing a nuclear bomb from the local airbase and forcing the nearest data center to let me play.

>>2169338
>He seems deeply obsessed with getting CA employees fired or some shit.
Yes, and?
>but I'm pretty sure the warhammer games are good?
Lmao

vgh....... grossburgundiums....

>>2169382
There won't be a next historical total war.

>>2169623
>grossburgundiums

>>2169625
ojalá

Can't wait to do a trabizond to ERE to RE run.

>>2169740
>ERE
*kingdom of the greeks

cant wait to create the first islamic state in germany

>>2169743
I can't wait to conquer europe as Jewish Africans and purge them all if they don't convert and mix

>>2169748
>and purge them all if they don't convert and mix
such is the fate of those who don't bow down to islamic bbc

can't wait to play Anglican English England exclusively.

So has Johan changed course on the saint canonization/college of cardinals systems yet? Because those sounded like utter dogshit and I'm not buying this until they fix it.

>>2169129
Shut the fuck up, Spudgun.

>>2169795
sounds like some gay christian shit

>>2168746
Spudgun is a curse
Anytime he speaks positively of something, that thing ends ups badly. Like with his shilling of the Vic2 fan project that went nowhere.

>>2169768
It is still very hard to decide whether what Henry did was very based or super retarded.

>>2169830
>the Vic2 fan project that went nowhere.
They're still working on it, you don't recreate a game engine overnight. Though I'm guessing it'll be done in 2027 based on their GitHub progress and what the code monkeys said a few months ago

>>2167825
its because the color palette is flat, the oceans are montone and your nation isnt contrasted with the rest of the map. Ive seen some pictures of more modern builds so i think its just a WIP thing

https://youtu.be/-RKqzpT_NG8?si=_bPEXKsQ3dlxRapr

Handsome man and an hour long Hesse AAR

>>2169856
>whether what Henry did was very based or super retarded
It's both, on one hand he still makes feminists seethe to this day, on the other hand Anglicanism and it's offshoot denominations make up a huge amount of the churches that put up pride flags in church and try to be "inclusive"

>>2169742
>kingdom of the greeks
*basileia rhomaion

>>2169940
>>2169940
>*basileia rhomaion
**schismatic despotate of constantinople

>>2169900
I guess I'm not autistic enough to enjoy these AARs. I legit can't think of a more boring thing to put on and listen to

>>2170001
Distract yourself with his good looks

How hard do you think it would be to create a map generator to use EU5 for a 4x mod? Is that even possible?

>>2170204
Stellaris?

>>2170224
Yeah. I had a thought that EU5 would in many ways make a better Stellaris than Stellaris, but without that it's basically a non-starter. Other issues could be jury-rigged, compensated for, or just accepted, but that one's a hard requirement.

>>2170204
You would need an external program to generate the map. It's a series of images that provide the data for the engine to generate the map and it is entirely possible for such maps to be generated using very simple code you can find online.
You then load that generated map as a mod. I don't think the output is going to be great however.

>>2169900
Wait is that fucking Hashinshin

>>2170320
yep

>>2170327
Lmao didnt know the based carpet fucker swapped to map games as some alter ego. Impressive that he retained some popularity after league

>>2170320
Wasn't Hashinshin some big lol e-cancer how did he end up in EU5?

>>2170338
Good question, but good to see him being successful in a new niche (even got to play EU5 pre release lucky bastard).
As for his League career he simply got bored of the game. His past controversies didnt help either

>>2168478
>Redditmals
Definitely using this word now.

>>2168444
>>2168478
Hating something because Reddit likes it is 'Hitler breathed oxygen' type stupidity.
Hate something because it's shit, not because of a Redditor's opinion.

>>2170338
>>2170348
he was playing eu4 and imperator way before the league drama started

>>2168478
Brown hands typed this post

>>2168725
You can basically do that though. If your enemy has its POPs in your territory (i.e, you conquered a new province), if their POPs are a different culture and unaccepted, you can enslave them. Also depends on religion.

>>2168724
>Can give the appearance of it being base game content
because it is.

It's kind of cringe to think of "the meta" if you're not actively playing MP

Byz trapezius and Georgia should ally day 1 to push back the saracens and make Anatolia orthodox again

https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/developer-diary/tinto-flags-2-13th-october-great-britain-ireland.1862530/

Tinto Flags #2 - 13th October - Great Britain & Ireland

A shorter diary today, we are quite busy these days preparing for release. You can read some of our motivations behind the flags system in the previous Tinto Flags #2 - Iberia.

But today we will look at Britain.

British flags are of course some of the most widely known. The main pattern in the national heraldry is the interplay between four key realms - England, Scotland, Ireland, and France.

>>2170799
cringe

Historically speaking, Wales was not considered an equal kingdom by the British establishment and so in keeping with that view it will not usually appear in Great Britain's union flags.

So, as I don't want to be accused of favouritism, let's start with the flags of the Principality of Wales.


The default flag is the lions passant guardant, which was the symbol used by the English princes of Wales.

If the tag becomes Celtic culture, they adopt the slight variation of the lions rampant.

Owain Glyndwr's rebellion will adopt this flag, which Wales will keep if successful.

Now this is my favourite flag: Saint David's cross. As we enter the 1600s era, the Welsh will adopt this, just as England and Scotland adopt their famous crosses.

The Cross of Neith makes an appearance if you are a theocracy.

The regular republic will use the modern Wales flag, known in Welsh as "Y Ddraig Goch", the red dragon.
Supposedly the dragon symbol derives from standards of the roman cohorts stationed in Britain, who in turn were inspired by the eastern Scythians and Dacians.
Whatever its origin, the Dragon was certainly used very early on in the medieval era as a Welsh symbol and as an epithet for great Welsh leaders.
The green and white used on the modern flag actually derives from the standard of Henry Tudor, a Welshman who siezed the English throne after the Wars of the Roses.

The revolutionary republic will adopt this flag, It of course is the red dragon flag represented in tricolour, and was used by the Welsh republican movement in the 20th century.

>>2170800
Can't wait to stomp Wales into the ground in the first 6 months.

Cornwall
The remnants of the Brythonic kingdom of Dumnonia, Cornwall (meaning Welsh horn—stop sniggering at the back) is a releasable nation in southwestern England. In 1337 it had not yet been promoted to a duchy.


The monarchy flag derives from the English prince Richard of Cornwall's arms. The unusual black and white elements that were to become synonymous with Cornish heraldry were already in play by the mid 1200s when he held it as an earldom.

If a Plantagenet rules Cornwall, they adopt these arms, inspired by John of Eltham (Edward III's brother) who held the earldom until 1336.

If it is ruled by the native Cornish, they adopt the modern 'fifteen bezants'. It is currently used as the arms of the modern Duchy of Cornwall.

As a republic or theocracy it adopts St Piran's cross, the modern flag of Cornwall.


Northumberland
In 1337, the former northern kingdom of Northumbria (meaning land north of the Humber river) is currently a powerful earldom in the hands of the Percy family.. It is also tied to some Tripartite Indenture content.

While ruled by the Percy family, they will keep their arms.

The Percys get a crownd lion if they form a kingdom.

If the Percy family loses their throne, it reverts to this ancient paly attribution.

If Northumbria returns to kingdom status, as it once was, it gains the purple that was described at Oswald of Northumbria's burial:
"Accordingly, the bones, being washed, were put into a shrine which they had made for that purpose, and placed in the church, with due honour; and that there might be a perpetual memorial of the royal character of this holy man, they hung up over the monument his banner of gold and purple"

The republic of Northumberland adopts the modern Northumberland flag.

Scotland

The royal tressure is a farly unique element of Scottish heraldry. It derives from the arms of the Dunkeld dynasty.

The Auld Alliance is strong, here is a flag if ruled by Capetians or a subject of France.

The Capetian flag for a later era.

As ruled by a Plantagenet, or an English subject.

If you stop being a monarchy or reach Age of Absolutism, you will adopt the St Andrew's Saltire. A contender for the oldest national flag in Europe, it was supposedly a Pictish design inspired by the shape that appeared in the clouds before the victorious Battle of Athelstaneford in 832.

As an absolute monarchy in the later ages, you can adopt this version.

Scotland starts in a bitter civil war, with the pretender Edward Balliol weakly vying for the crown. This is his banner, based upon the Balliol arms.

If Balliol wins the civil war, they adopt a variant that fuses Balliol tradition with the Scottish

British Minors
In Wales and Scotland you will find various other minors.


Chester

Bishopric of Durham

Lancaster

Lordship of Mann

Lordship of Gower

Lordship of Glamorgan

Earl of March (Mortimers)

Arundel

Brecknock

Powis

Ewyas

Cemais

Pembroke

Denbigh

Lordship of the Isles

Mormaerdom of Ross

Moray as a Scottish vassal - the arms of Randolph.

Independent Moray

Gwynedd, native Welsh releasable

Powys, native Welsh releasable

Deheubarth, native Welsh releasable

Morgannwg, native Welsh releasable

Brycheiniog, native Welsh releasable

Gwent, native Welsh releasable

>>2170800
who cartes about that rainy, backwards island ruled by the french? They will never amount to anything of note

Anglo-Irish minors
A united Ireland tag doesnt exist at the start, it needs to be formed by one of the many minors across the isle. Most of these ones are descendants of Hiberno-Norman conquerers who pay lip-service to the English King.

The Lordship of the Pale, representing the English king's power projecting from Dublin Castle.

Desmond, the first of the FitzGerald realms.

Kildare, another FitzGerald domain.

Ormond

The Earldom of Ulster was the De Burgh stronghold and controlled much of Ireland. In 1337 the Burke Civil War and incursions by the O'Neills meant that Ulster lies in a poor state.

Clanwilliam, one of the De Burgh factions

Clanricarde, one of the western De Burgh factions.

Mayo, also known as Mac William Íochtar, another De Burgh faction.

Decies, a minor territory near Cork.

The Glens, a Scottish lordship in northern Ireland.

I can't wait to spawn Cromwell and make England great again

Gaelic Irish minors

Bishopric of Armagh

Clandeboye, a new territory freshly carved out of Tyrone and the Earldom of Ulster by Einri O'Neill, though his conquests were not formally recognised until 1338.

Tyrone, the other O'Neill realm in Ulster.

MacCarthy's Munster

Beare, a seafaring nation in the south.

Leinster, the remnant of the Laigin who once controlled much of the east.

Tyrconnel of today's County Donegal.

Oriel

West Connacht, also seafaring.

Ossory

Fermanagh

West Breifne

Owill, also a seafaring country. This is the clan of the famous pirate queen Gráinne O'Malley.

Thomond, the remnant of Brian Boru's kingdom reduced by the MacCarthy clan.

>>2170817
amerimutts will love this one.

Sligo, the only Gaelic kings to hold a Viking town.

Connacht

Hy Many, the guardians of the shannon hold an importing crossing point in central Ireland.

Annaly

Keenaght

Iveagh

Imaal

Tireragh

Firceall

Ely

East Breifne

Ardmire

Meath is a releasable in central Ireland.

>>2170813
>Pembroke
Pembroke, my love...

Ireland
A united Ireland tag doesnt exist at the start, it needs to be formed by one of the many minors across the isle.


The Irish harp flag is one of the most recognisable symbols of Ireland. In particular the green here is used for when Ireland is formed by Irish culture.

Formed by non-Irish such as the Anglo-Irish or English. The modern Republic of Ireland's presidential flag is based on this design, and it also still features on the British royal banner.

Ireland as a subject of Scotland will adopt the royal tressure.

If the country is Anglican religion it adopts the St Patrick Saltire, currently the symbol of the Church of Ireland.

The revolutionary republic will use Ireland's modern flag. The green represents the Catholics, the orange represents the Protestants, and the white the peace beatween them. The design was based directly on the French revolutionary tricolore.

If the revolution happens to be led by protestants, the will place their colour in the hoist.


England
I guess England deserves a mention.


We start with the famous 3 lions (actually referred to in heraldry as leopards).

Upon winning the Hundred Years War, the English will adopt the ancient fleury French design in the dominant quarter. Historically they adopted this quite early on but we thought it was better as a reward.

The English follow the French fashion of reducing the fleury to 3 fleurs.

If the Capets rule over England they will also change the flag.

The themed flags for the War of the Roses, this one is for the Lancastrians.

This one is for the Yorkists.

If the Tudors emerge victorious, we use this flag . Green, white, and red became dominant colours for England during the Tudor era, and is retained in the modern Welsh flag.

As we enter the 1600s, the St George's cross becomes the favourite.

If ruled by a Scandinavian culture, why not a Nordic cross?

Great Britain
The British formable has a number of different fantasy designs inspired by the rules established by historical ones, and is quite similar in its construction to the Spanish arms we showed in the previous Tinto Flags.


We assume Great Britain tag to be, at its core, a union between England and Scotland, with a dominant England.

If you or a subject owns any land in Ireland you will also get the Irish arms, producing the modern Coat of Arms of the United Kingdom.

A dominant Scotland would lead to this flag, where Scotland takes the dominant place at the top-left.

And the same rule, if they hold Ireland in any way, it will have the Irish harp. This flag is the modern royal banner of the UK as used in Scotland.

If you retain land in France, as is your right, you will have this one with the added fleurs.

Scotland gets a variant of this too.

Theres also a variant if you hold land in Ireland.

And the same for Scotland

If you own and core Paris, you adopt this handsome flag which is dominated by the French fleurs. The English establishment considered France to have precedence over the British kingdoms so they would have flaunted it.

And also one if you have land in Ireland.

A Scottish-led union that has Paris also has a variant with the fleurs dominant.

And if they control part of Ireland.

Wales can also form Great Britain.

And an option for when they control Ireland.

And a variant if they hold land in France.

Or hold land in France AND Ireland.

Cornwall has options too.

Controlling Ireland.

The Anglo-Irish also can reclaim the homeland.

With also some celebratory fleurs if they control part of France.

The republican flag is based largely on the flags of Jolly Ollie's protectorate and commonwealth era.

This is closest to the historic one as it includes a claim to Ireland.

With a dominant Scotland

A dominant Scotland with land in Ireland

The British republic as led by the Anglo-Irish.

A welsh republican variant, playing with the crosses theme.

Including Ireland

At this point it feels bad to leave out Cornwall.

And here is if they have part of Ireland.

In the 1600s we leave the era of quartering and enter the era of national flags. Here is the first union jack, designed for James VI and I's union of England and Scotland. It didn't formally become a national flag until the Act of Union 1707.

If Scotland leads, they get this flag which was a real variant that was used in Scotland.

A Welsh or Cornish led Prydain adds the black of their crosses.

If you still hold Paris after the hundred years war, you get this union flag.

To adopt the modern flag with Irish representation, there are slightly stricter rules. You need a core in Ireland and you need to accept an Irish culture.
It adds the Irish St Patrick's saltire. Notice how it is not symmetrical and how both the Irish and Scottish elements equally touch the top-left corner. This was to avoid favouritism to one or the other.

If you have an Irish culture as your primary, you will use this variant with a dominant St Patrick's saltire. Favouritism out the window.

The fleury variant if you hold France.

The black variant if you are Cornish or Welsh.

And finally, Hungary. No wait, this is the revolutionary tricolor used by British republicans in the 1800s.

The Celtic Union
The fictional Celtic Union formable is available if you have the fantasy formables game rule active.


The flag in based on the Pan-Celtic flag designed in the 20th century. It uses two intertwined triskels, representing the union of the two extant branches of Celtic, the Goidelic and the Brythonic.

The Scottish variant uses the Scottish royal banner colours

The Welsh variant uses the colours of St David's cross

The Breton variant uses the Breton colours.

The cornish variant.


North Sea Empire
Another fictional formable for those who control Britain and Scandinavia

The natural flag, combining cross-north sea elements.

Just a cool green variant if ruled by the Irish.

And finally, a small montage of some of the interesting dynastic coats of arms.

That's it from me this week.

Okay maybe I lied when I said this would be a short one. But the next ones definitely will be. Next week we will take a step backwards and have a broader look at various countries around the world.

Europa Universalis V comes out in less than a month - 4th of November. So if you haven't already, you can Pre-Purchase Europa Universalis V now!

>>2170827
That was the joke

>>2170827
UPVOTED XD

>>2170836
fleury uk flag looks nice

>>2170832
BOOBIES

>best flag wasn't included
paradox is washed up

>>2170873
They should have special extra flag dlc for 50 cents per flag

>>2170874
Don't give Johan ideas

>>2170874
ck2 did this

>>2167751
>t. CK cuck/HOI sperg

EU5 is going to blow all of your horseshit out of the water, best time period, best mechanics, all taken together.
Go arrange a sister fuck in CK3 with those endless "oopsie I caught kissing in the garden" popups

Will PDX add the modern flag of the UK

>>2168004
>>2168266
This is why I play EU3/ Europa Universalis: the Price of Power (best board game ever)
EU4 fucked up so much, and even what it didn't, it stripped down in the name of "random generation". Oh, I'm going to start in May 1789!... Oh, 4 days later, George Washington fell down a flight if stairs and "Hobart Sneetcraft" (1/2/1) is now President!!
The Europa Veritas mod made it halfway playable, but I literally just played Westros Universalis when I got the itch.

>>2170894
You're upset that EU4 isn't just a 1:1 retelling of history exactly as it happened?

>>2170894
Sneetcraft's America would've been better, a real patriot.

>>2170774
Yeah, but that's just a Muzzie rat thing in all reasonable situations. Enslaving stick clackers shouldn't matter unless you have cash crops to stick them on and boot efficiency

>>2170896
>>2170899
Of course, you disingenuous nigger, that's exactly what I'm saying, you figured me out. I'm upset that EU4 totally fucked the ability to have historical rulers and that I have to go out of my way to mod a mode back in. Hoping EU5 does much better there. If not, I think the new dynasty system will make it easier to mod at least. EU:PoP is such a better game (and more social, mutiplayer Paradox EU sounds like a root canal) though that if EU5 repeats too much EU4 horseshit I think I'll just stick to PoP and some of the older Total Wars to scratch my 4X itch.
>>2170899
Lmao

>>2170775
Very doubtful with content that will only release in 8-12 months.

>>2170832
Mr. Advertiser get down!

>>2170944
Now you're thinking with chutzpah!

>>2170944
Semitic hands wrote that post

>>2170964
Superior hands

>>2170904
You should just go read a history book

>>2170974
Oh, we have an uppity kike here. Superiority at spreading societal rot isn't anything to be proud of...though maybe infiltration is.

>>2170981
I'm quite well read. EU4 sucks, and random generation is generally awful and ruins the entire thing for me. The price I pay for playing like I do is literally just having no option for Ruler General. It worked fine.

>>2170985
>random generation is generally awful and ruins the entire thing for me
that's the whole point of the game thoughbeit

>>2170989
Nope. It is simply one of many mechanics.

>>2170996
the main mechanic
AI following a linear set of behaviours that replicate history exactly would make the game a visual novel and not a grand strategy game

>>2170894
(Because everything outside of season one of GoT wasn't very good and I don't care about the backstory to GRRM's misery-porn Hollywood-medieval setting.

>>2170944
>pandemic-style mod where you play as Rothschilds and try to contaminate every country of the world with Fractional Reserve Banking to the crash global economy with no survivors

>>2170999
The AI isn't doing that modded, bonehead. The historical rulers pop up and go at their appropriate time, and if conditions exist for historical events, certain major ones trigger and offer a variety of choices. Literally the only thing I lose is "Ruler General" (EU5 combat looks so much nicer than 4, but that bar is low enough to be underground). Untwist your panties.

Trying to get historical characters as leaders of empires will be fun. Imagine forming an empire with Christopher Columbus as the leader.

>>2168897
>Spain did care about converting them but also kept them under a serfdom-like system combined with their caste autism (picrel)
Never happened. All of that was angloid revisionist crap, aka the spanish black legend

>>2171013
>uniting Germany under Wallenstein
VGH...

>>2171013
>Lord Protector John Churchill/Horatio Nelson
>Tsar Suvorov
>King Hernan Cortes
>Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart as emperor of the HRE

>>2170817
I love this one

>>2168227
>1337 start date
Everyone's going to stop playing every game by 1500 and I'm going to laugh
>inb4 not this time, this paradox game will be different cope
I hope I'm wrong but basic pattern recognition over the last fifteen years says nah

>>2171038
You types are always the loudest retards, the equivalent of Call of Duty "quickscopers". Not everyone plays the same as you, plenty of people play all the way through.
>uhrm but I try to minmax power game it and conquer the world by 1500

Good for you. Speak for yourself

>>2170944
paradox is unable to make this very engaging and fun, bank based countries will end up like stellaris megacorps at max

>>2170983
goyim hands wrote this post

>>2168253
Stellar Blade saved gaming.

>>2171038
According to recent vids I've seen the devs are definitely thinking about adding new start dates after release

>>2171112
Is there a map in stellar blade?
no?
THEN FUCK OFF!
SHIT GAME

>>2171116
They will add the 1444 start date and call it a day, but even that I have my doubts.

>>2171116
Source?

>>2171116
>>2171123
Can't you just click a different start date on the scroller?

Sorry, Price of Power supremacy. EU3 was good, hopefully EU5 will be amazing.

>>2171116
It isn't really surprising. It gives them more opportunities to just have the community flood suggestions in that they can easily use to build up new dates. It wouldn't take much work but would make the community very happy and raise the total play hour exponentially. It also allows them to give better focus to things that may not otherwise occur in most games (not to mention possibly sell dlc that are mainly meant for these later times). They likely realized the only reason other dates weren't popular was because the content didn't work right.

>>2171159
>researching and writing history for many thousands of provinces AGAIN
>It wouldn't take much work
lmao

>>2171163
When they have an army of nationalists who will tell every detail of their specific neighborhood for any period. Yes, it is a lot easier than before.

>>2171166
and it is all unsourced and wrong
lmao

>>2171168
Some, but plenty are meticulous

>>2171168
Doesn't matter as long as the delusions are fun

>>2171168
No, it's meticulously sourced and wrong. Not the same thing.

>>2171166
>new community sourced 1453 start date
>Albanian pops have all mysteriously been enslaved

>>2171221
will this be the game where we will finally be able to use albanians as fuel for our factories?

>>2171222
You can already convert pops into trade goods using slave camps so it'd be trivial to add a building that converts pops into fuel. Just have Albanians be a production method, maybe they give +5% goods produced.

>>2170836
My main takeaway from all of this is that you must never allow the revolution to win because they will absolutely fucking butcher your flag if they do.

>>2171295
tricolours are sovlfvl

>>2171297
Tricolours are a sign of captured nations and peoples.

>>2171295
No shit lol. We live in a world of tricolours and in general they suck. Literal dumbed-down flags for the masses.

>>2171311
>t.

Leaked build saars ?

>>2171386
rin

>>2171297
>hmmm do i get a proper flag that hints at the history and culture of this people?
>no, i should roll some dice to pick three arbitrary colours instead
Go FUCK yourself.

>>2171408
>arbitrary colours
historylet....

>>2171411
green on the british republican flag is pretty indefensible

>>2171408
The colors represent bodily fluids

>>2171411
>>2171412
>there is an alternative timeline where British Republic (Federation?) has the Hungarian flag
Disgustang!

>>2171412
>>2171444
the green white red tricolour has been used by bri'ish republicans for like 200 years bruv
I agree it's a bad combo of colours, but it's accurate

>>2171015
You can look up the colonial encomiendas and repartimientos, they were main institutions of the setting constantly depicted and discussed by Spaniards as it developed, there's no secret or conspiracy to be found.

>>2171446
It's a stupid flag and I hope King Charles becomes an immortal lich ruler as punishment

>>2171461
I don't think crimes against vexillology are punished that severely.

>>2171311
>>2171328
Tricolors could be fun but countries always choose the most boring shit they could get. Worst offender are the arab countries and their multiple variations of the black, white, green and red colors.

Paradox needs to get with the times and give us an achievement for conquering Arabia and subjecting Muslims as Indians.

>>2171387
>just checked
>israel
wallahi Johann is finished...

Thinking about it, if you want a Jew/ZOG playthrough then Ming is the perfect substitute.
Both want to reconquer their homeland, promised to them from thousands of years ago with sketchy records.
Jews are God's chosen, while the Han are the ones blessed by the heavens under the heavens on Earth.
Both believe that they are the main characters of the world.
Both believe the rest of the world should submit to them.
Both love inflicting humiliation rituals on others.
Both love esoteric oral traditions that they see 0 issues with like child mutilation(Chinese foot bindings vs circumcision) and defend these traditions to the death.
Both classify their chosen people as being the only humans, while everyone else is inferior.
Both fear the Samurai.

>>2170836
are all these flags stored as separate images, or do they have a system for dynamically adding certain graphics to a flag depending on the country's status?

>>2171116
hopefully the alternate start dates are ironman compatible for the cheevos

>>2171412
>>2171444
>>2171446
>>2171461
modern british republicans would probably just stick with the union jack unless the union fell apart, then they would just use the classic crosses.
well, this is assuming they aren't the cucked kind of brit who doesn't like the crosses on their flags because much racism and islamophobia.

>>2171493
ZUTTED

>>2171539
They're built procedurally in-game from parts, the flag images posted on the forums were just exported from the game using a console command.

>>2171116
That is 100% not happening and my crackpot theory is Lemon man said this specifically to put pressure on the devs/prove there's demand for it because he personally wants it. (doesn't matter, will never happen)

>>2170814
>>2170827
Kek, you anons are alright

>>2171560
These threads are high quality and I hope they continue after release. Sadly the pre-warfare dev diary vic3 threads will never return

>>2171565
Man, how old is this image? I remember writing the post from the guy in germany

>>2171159
> It wouldn't take much work
From their final map feedback post:
> We'll do our best to cover as many as possible for the release of the game on November 4th. But after having spent more than 10 man-years (that is, combining all the work hours spent by each developer who worked on the map, the total amount of time spent)
I think the statistic is that less than 5% of games are on anything but the earliest start date, so I don't see them putting a couple of devs on it for years that could be spent on doing literally anything else. Maybe in like 5 years or so as DLC

>>2171565
>You are a completely nigger sir same as me
That anon should have been in Portugal

>>2171572
Pretty much. Like most people don't even know Imperator had more than one start date. And 1939 in Hoi4 is essentially abandoned by now for good reason. And while it was a fun gimmick for a bit when was the last time you started a Vic2 game in the House Divided? Only CK bucks the trend somehow with 867 and 1066 being well played dates and in both 2 and 3 one outstrips the other with 1066 being more popular in 2 and vice-versa in 3.

>>2171661
>Like most people don't even know Imperator had more than one start date
are you stupid

>>2171661
Multiple start dates only make sense if the campaign is "supposed to be enjoyed in short bursts" and it's irrelevant how the situation got to the point you started at and how it continues after you decide to finish. This is probably the reason multi dates are used in CK the most because it's closest to having mechanics that support this type of gameplay. More players are interested in playing a certain character so that necessitates starting when that character is relevant and usually only play for role play reasons so they may play a few generations and then stop. Meanwhile for the other games it usually makes most sense to start as early as possible which gives you the most time to achieve your goals. You can then quit when the goal is reached. Starting later usually offers no benefit for that except in cases where an achievement directly demands it like those 1939 poland achievements in hoi. You can just pick England and start being perfidious at the start, you don't need to wait for an arbitrary year to do that.

>>2171661
Something dawned on me. I realize why I started thinking CKII and CKIII sucks dick. Part of the reason was the power gaming bullshit that was introduced, but the start date should be 1066. That's when things really get interesting. The viking age is kind of nice context to know, but it's kind of the same issue as starting EU in the 1300s as opposed to mid 1400s. It's being indecisive on which side of the toast to spread butter, and spreading it on both sides as a compromise. Having more isn't automatically better.

>>2171570
I think it was pre-GG. Definitely predates modern /gsg/ being a gay shit hole.

>>2171661
not only imperator has only one start date, there is no framework add another bookmark

>>2171424
Yeah, they represent shit, piss and cum.

>>2171744
sounds like they're thinking about settling in for a game of victoria 3

>>2171661
>Pretty much. Like most people don't even know Imperator had more than one start date.
I still play it to this day and it doesn't
>>2171661
>867 and 1066 being well played dates
No. Catholicism either dies or stomps in either start date without player interference

>>2171539
>well, this is assuming they aren't the cucked kind of brit
They ARE the cucked king of Brit, most British Republicans are hardcore leftists

>>2171493
ck2 did this

>>2171764
That's logical considering how Monarchism is considered a right-wing ideology. I don't even remember seeing a country where Republicans were right wing in comparison with the Monarchists.

https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/developer-diary/tinto-flavour-43-14th-of-october-2025-kanem-bornu-songhai.1863049/

Tinto Flavour #43 - 14th of October 2025 - Kanem Bornu & Songhai

Hello, and welcome one more Tuesday to Tinto Flavour, the happy days in which we take a look at the flavour content of Europa Universalis V!

Today, we will be taking a look at the content of two of the Western African countries that will have content, besides Mali; those are Kanem Bornu and Songhai! Let's take a look at them, without further ado:

Kanem Bornu

Kanem Bornu starts with the following unique reform and privileges:

Kanem Bornu starts with a Work of Art:

>>2171779
Well that is a bit misleading though.
The whole left-wing /right-wing terminology goes back to that exact differentiation.
In the national assembly, during the french revolution, those sitting on the left were anti-monarchists while the supporters of the monarchy sat right.
Technically speaking being supportive of monarchy makes you inherently right-wing.

>>2171810
These look significantly more like blacks than the specimens in the other paradox games.

Let's take a look now at the advances. The first three are common for all Western African countries:

While these four are unique for Kanem Bornu:

>>2171810
>selling all the infidels in west africa to wypipo for infinite cash and then using that to create wakanda
Vghhh...how come I couldn't think of this before

The country also has 14 DHEs, of which some are:

And a unique disaster:

Songhai

Songhai starts as a subject of Mali, a rework we made after the feedback we received in Tinto Maps. Its structural content relies upon its advances; Songhai has 12, but we'll be showing 6, as usual:

While most of the content is narrative, portraying the rise of Songhai in parallel to the decline of Mali:

Lazy Busy dev rushing the TF and not triggering the event on the proper date, so here you have a cute baby instead.

Baby Muhammad Askia, due to very busy Pavía!

… And much more, but that’s all for today! This is the schedule for the rest of the week:

Wednesday -> Tinto Talks about Onboarding Systems, hosted by @Evife !
Thursday -> Tutorial video was cancelled; see PDX Ryagi's post
Friday -> Tinto Flavour about Poland, Lithuania & Ruthenia! (At 16:00 instead of the regular 15:00)

And also remember, you can Pre-Purchase Europa Universalis V now! Cheers!

I'm very much looking forward to the Polish TF

>>2171835
>Thursday -> Tutorial video was cancelled; see PDX Ryagi's post
what did his post say

>>2171838
It was full of slurs and quickly deleted

>>2171843
he's just like me fr fr

>>2171843
He mistook the site he was on, happens to the best of us.

>>2171838
Johan was supposed to make it but he saw a Dane walking down the street and is now in jail for discharging a flintlock in a residential area

>>2171818
The blacker the better

>>2171851
Is anyone actually going to watch a tutorial and not just play it raw and see what happens?

>>2171865
^This

>>2171865
Reading the DDs and TTs is basically watchnig a tutorial

I'm pirating this on day one.
I'm not getting fucked again like Vic3.

That is all.

>>2171920
Give it time. In 2 years Vic3 might be fun

>>2171922
yeah and what should I do then? buy 100 euros worth of DLCs?
Fuck them, I like their games but I'm never buying anything from them since we all got buttfucked with Vicky 3

>>2171922
Just two more ~~weeks~~ I mean... years!

I recently found the Odd Empires 2 mod for EU4. This will entertain me until EU5 releases.

>>2171865
I'm just gonna play Ottomans and see how hard I can blob

>>2171865
Byzantium, just gonna go balls deep without looking at anything.

>>2171865
What country will be the best tutorial nation anyways? Ireland?

>>2171980
Small fractured places like that are always the best for tutorials. I almost think Anatolia might be good too this time.

>>2171980
France or England, they start at war.

>>2171980
Ireland would be decent. Can learn naval and land warfare, colonization, trade and you have a final boss in the form of England.

>>2171980
Portugal is always my tutorial nation

I hate Polish people so fucking much

>>2172046
TRVKE

>>2172046
*"people"

>>2172046
>>2172047
>>2172069
>t.shitskin muslims
Poland is the savior of the white race, they protected Europe for centuries from invading turks, mongols and russoids.

>>2172077
>turks
that was the greeks and the austrians
>mongols
hungarians (ironically)
>russians
they did a shit job at that

>>2172077
You're not white.

>>2171570
It's from 2021

>>2172114
Feeling old

>>2172046
polish, german or russian? i cant tell who would most likely say this

>>2172267
meant to say british instead of polish but i guess this works too

>>2167471 (OP)
I like to imagine myself as a mayor or resident of one of the locations in the game, travelling from town to town to witness what the player has been up to.
The population mechanic really helps that.

>>2172285
It is funny to imagine what future history books look like after you make a very grotesque empire.
>Suddenly, a bunch of African men landed on the shores and overthrew the Ming Emperor in a time of crisis.
>They proclaimed themselves the new emperors, and thus our country began.

I would've been a priest in 1337 desu

Seems like the coziest job in the middle ages

>Multiple Non-EU4(even non-paradox ones) CC hinting at a possible EU5 video soon
its going to flop with normoids
I can feel it

>>2172333
that's a good thing

>>2172333
>flop with normoids
good. ck3 got dumbed down to hell because of them

>>2172333
That's not the target audience anyway, these are long term autism games that pump out DLC, casuals don't pay for games like that
If they wanted a wider audience they'd make EU Mobile where it's like risk but with country gacha

>>2172406
I find that that idea of a target audience is misguided minmaxing. The purpose is to not go out of your way to appease people who wouldn't care. You're not going to market EUV as something parents buy to their elementary school kids. The target audience of EUV is anyone with the massive amount of time to invest in the game. People who watch content creators ARE the target audience.

>>2172412
>People who watch content creators ARE the target audience.
I don't think spiffing brit viewers are the target audience

>>2172414
What in the depths of Manala could possibly lead you to that kind of conclusion?

>>2172414
He has 4mil subscribers and he'll shill anything. ANYTHING. He did cities skylines 2 videos. Even if only 1/4 of his viewerbase is interested it's worthwhile.

>>2172419
This is why I think the whole idea is misguided minmaxing. There's truth behind the idea. You're not going to market books to illiterate people. You're not going to market English content in Japan. The idea works more in the avoiding blunders sense. It's very easy to take the idea too far.

>>2172425 (me)
I'll elaborate a bit why I feel so strongly about this. This wanking about the target audience is something people have been battling with for so long in the gaming industry. Brick-and-mortar stores had baffling ideas about the gaming industry, and this thoroughly shaped the state of the industry. You get less RTS games and less RPG games, less simulation games, and interesting games in general. It becomes more and more action slop that appeals to some perception of the masses that just isn't real.

Somehow, particular indie games have this golden quality. What gives? There's one studio that understood the state of the industry VERY well.
Along comes Larian studios with BG3. It's relevant for one BIG reason. It shows that the target audience thinking was always full of shit. Brick-and-mortar stores had already lost the war, but now their ideas were defunct too. People who just want to make good games won the shadow war. You can make a somewhat buggy DnD 5e based cRPG sell like hot fire. People love this kind of stuff, not because they are a part of some mythical target audience, but because the game gives them something that's worth paying for.

>>2172414
even someone like isp almost has a million subs

>>2172444
Dinosaur institutions really are behind most problems we've experienced in modern day. Whether it is brick and mortar, broadcast media, or any other that is fading from relevancy. They all share in common making some of the stupidest decisions in their last moments. It is like they act specifically to make us more receptive of their replacements.

>>2171759
>catholicism either wins...... or loses.....
thanks for the input anon
>>2171851
>still reworking mechanics instead of finetuning them 3 goddamn weeks away from release

>>2172477
HOI4fags are normies now

>>2172333
>normies buying eu5
good... good... fund my dlcs, wagie paypiggies...

>>2171850
Reasonable crashout

>>2172412
>People who watch content creators ARE the target audience.
I would posit that their is not as much overlap between the people who watch content creators and the people who actually play games as you might think.

>>2172623
An idea customer doesn't play, they just buy

>>2172623
I don't think you fully grasp how irrelevant of an idea that is. There's not a large overlap between people who eat at a specific pizzeria and people who eat at a specific McDonalds. Does this mean they have a different target audience? No, that's quite simply beyond stupid.

https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/developer-diary/tinto-talks-84-15th-of-october-2025-onboarding-systems.1863138/

Tinto Talks #84 - 15th of October 2025 - Onboarding Systems

Hello, and welcome to another Tinto Talks, the happy Wednesdays where we talk about Europa Universalis V!

As you may have noticed, I’m not @Johan nor @Pavía ; therefore, since this is my first official post in the forums, I will introduce myself. My name is Èric Vicent, and I’m UX Designer and UI Team Coordinator at Paradox Tinto. Before joining Paradox back in 2020, I was, just like most of you, a completely and utterly addicted Paradox fan for many years, having Europa Universalis as my core franchise, followed by Crusader Kings and Hearts of Iron. Some of you might recall me from some “Behind the Scenes” videos we have been posting on YouTube, and probably others may recognize me as an odd-looking armor in the Skokloster Castle’s Armory with Laith, where we did some cool interviews this past spring!

Now that we’ve got the boring part out of the way, let’s move on to the fun stuff: EUV’s Onboarding Systems!

This week, we’re pulling back the curtain on one of the toughest design challenges we’ve faced so far: teaching a Grand Strategy Game that’s, well… truly grand.

If you’ve ever tried to explain Europa Universalis to a friend, you probably know the look. That thousand-yard stare that says, “Wait, so you are a… Country? And what exactly is an Estate again?”

Designing a learning experience for a game this deep is no small feat. But as game developers, we can’t just shrug and say “they’ll figure it out.” Our goal is to invite players, new and veteran, into the grand strategy mindset by not burying them under spreadsheets on day one.

>>2172630
>An idea customer doesn't play, they just buy
That's just women

So, in this development diary, we’ll talk about Recommended Countries, Missions and Walkthroughs that ease you into the core mechanics, along with Hints, Automation and other tools that will help you along the way. Also I’ll be explaining the three design pillars that guided us during this challenge: Integration, Pace, and Reward.

Together, they form the backbone of a learning experience built not just to explain EUV, but to make the act of learning it part of the fun, by turning “tutorials” into something you’ll actually want to play.

Before We Dive Into the Onboarding Pillars:
Playstyles
Before building any system meant to teach, we had to answer a fundamental question: "Whom are we really teaching?"

A game like this attracts a wide range of players, from veterans who can and want to calculate trade good market prices values in their sleep, to curious newcomers drawn by maps, flags, and a high level of ambition.

But no two players engage with the same mechanics in the same way, and in a game of this scale, trying to learn everything at once is unrealistic. Some players thrive on diplomacy and the art of negotiation; others find joy in mastering the flow of gold and goods; and a fair few simply prefer to solve geopolitical problems... with cannons.

To embrace all these playstyles, we’ve grouped them into three broad archetypes: Politics, Economy, and Expansion, each offering its own path through the grand tapestry of Europa Universalis V.

Politics Playstyle: Focus on the internal politics, by dealing with the administration and estates of your country, and also establish deals and alliances with other countries to strengthen your international position. Main Panels involved: Government & Society & Diplomacy.

Economy Playstyle: Focus on the economic development of your country. Pursue national prosperity by exploiting the land, constructing buildings and importing goods in different markets. Main Panels involved: Economy & Production.

Expansion Playstyle: Focus on your army and navy. Declare war on your enemies and take control of neighboring lands by force, and also expand your navy to control the seas and expand your maritime presence. Main Panels involved: Military & Geopolitics.

Our own Bartle’s Taxonomy on Playstyle Archetypes and main mechanics tied to them.

Recommended Countries
At the start of the game, players will find a curated list of six recommended countries, each hand-picked to offer a smooth and meaningful first experience. These nations are divided across the three playstyles: two Political, two Economic, and two Expansion-oriented, ensuring that every type of player has a natural starting point.

This classification doesn’t restrict what you can do with each country; you’re free to pursue any path you like. It simply means that, for your first steps, the onboarding systems, that include walkthroughs, will emphasize the mechanics most relevant to that playstyle.

For instance, a politically-focused country will first introduce the inner workings of governance and diplomacy, while an economically-minded nation will help you grasp production chains and trade networks. As your campaign progresses, these same countries will gradually open the door to the other 2 playstyles, allowing you to explore warfare, economics, and politics in a natural progression, rather than all at once.

By choosing one of these six nations, new players can step confidently into the world of Caesar with a structured learning path built around the Onboarding Pillars we’ll discuss later, ensuring a gentle start to what will eventually become a truly grand experience.

These are our Recommended Countries for a fun learning experience.

Generic Walkthrough

Once you’ve chosen your starting country, you’ll enter what we call the Generic Walkthrough, the foundational layer of EUV’s onboarding experience. This step-based journey introduces the core mechanics every player needs to grasp before moving on to specialization: game systems like Balance, Pops, Estates, and other fundamental frameworks such as Outliner, Map Modes, Hints, and Automations, that shape the management of your nation.

Generic Walkthrough Start

Generic Walkthrough UI / Tooltips

The main goal of this walkthrough is to serve as your first introduction to the world of EUV, not only by explaining the main mechanics step by step, but by showing why, where, and when they matter. Each stage helps players locate relevant systems in the interface, understand their purpose, and recognize when they become important.

Generic Walkthrough / Open Hints Panel

Progression isn’t based on simply reading and acknowledging instructions; it’s about taking action and experiencing the results. Each task asks the player to interact with the game world and observe the consequences, because learning by doing is far more effective than passively following directions.

Generic Walkthrough UI / Automate Estates

On average, the Generic Walkthrough can take around 15 to 20 minutes to complete, depending, of course, on how deep your relationship with tooltips is. Some players breeze through it; others take a short detour into a tooltip-reading odyssey. Now, here’s the best part: the Generic Walkthrough flows seamlessly into your actual campaign. You’re not playing a separate tutorial; you’re already ruling your country, making decisions that carry real weight. And this system isn’t restricted to the recommended nations: you can launch the Generic Walkthrough with any country in the world at any time. Of course, it is also optional; you can skip it at any given moment and go back when you want another attempt or a quick memory refresher.

Generic Walkthrough UI / Minting

Throughout the process, you’ll be supported by contextual hints, tooltips, and small, achievable goals that illustrate how your actions shape the course of history.
Once you’ve mastered these essentials, you’ll be ready to specialize and move on to one of the three specific playstyle walkthroughs focused on Politics, Economy, or Expansion.

Politics Walkthrough UI / Diplomatic Actions

Economy Walkthrough UI / Markets

Expansion Walkthrough UI / War

Each walkthrough is tied to a set of Learning Mission Trees (I talk about this later on) that gradually unlock as you progress. Completing these missions transitions you from guided play into fully integrated gameplay, effectively merging learning with doing.

The Three Pillars of EUVs Onboarding
When we started designing these systems, we realized that teaching a Grand Strategy Game requires more than just good UI. It’s about psychology, pacing, and motivation.

We broke down the problem, divide et impera style, into three guiding principles:

Integration: Tutorials should feel like part of the game, not a separate “mode.”

Pace: Complexity should unfold gradually in order to avoid players feeling overwhelmed.

Reward: Learning should be enjoyable, satisfying, and (dare we say?) fun.

Let’s unpack each one:
1. Integration
Let’s be honest: nobody likes old-school tutorials. You know the type that makes you go to an isolated game mode, feels like a mandatory chore to do before actually playing, and tells you: “Click here to build a Castle.” without explaining why and when you should really do that.

Players skip them because they feel artificial, disconnected from the actual play experience. In particular, we, as Grand Strategy players, tend to be… let’s call it independent-minded. We do not want to be told exactly what to do before understanding why we are doing it.

Instead of front-loading information, we built EUV’s onboarding around a simple truth of game design: Willingness to learn is directly tied to time investment. That idea became one of our guiding principles, and it aligns nicely with the philosophy George Fan described in his GDC talk “How I Got My Mom to Play Plants vs. Zombies.”

In EUV, Integration means embedding learning directly into the fabric of the game itself. Rather than just trusting an isolated tutorial as a separate mode, we’ve created a network of in-game tools that naturally support players as they play, so learning happens seamlessly, in context, and at their own pace. These tools take many forms: Tooltips, Hints, Alerts, and even custom-tailored hints for Situations, certain game mechanics, and each of the six recommended countries we offer at game start.

Tooltip Alert with an associated Dynamic Hint

Alerts: Blue for tips, Green=Things you can do; Yellow: Things should attend, Orange: Urgent things to attend; Red: Top tier urgency and Wars; Purple & Black for Situations and Disasters

Hints in particular are always accessible, but also appear when it’s relevant in the Agenda, helping players connect cause and effect as they go. And for those who prefer a more structured approach, everything is also gathered in central learning hubs such as the Europedia and the Hints Panel, accessible at any time.

Agenda Window + Hints Panel with a Recommended Country Hint

The result is an onboarding experience that feels less like following instructions and more like discovering how to play one decision, one insight, one tooltip at a time.

2. Pace
Here’s another truth about Grand Strategy games: they can be overwhelming. At the start of a typical campaign, you’re greeted by a wall of spreadsheets, buttons, tabs, and flashing alerts, all demanding attention at once. For new players, that’s not “depth”, it’s a fast track to panic mode.

To tackle this, we looked toward a timeless principle of good design: The Inverted Pyramid of Decision-Making, which in a complex game such as this, resonates well. A game should begin with just a few meaningful choices, and gradually expand as the player’s understanding grows. By the time you’re managing multiple systems, you already know what each of them means and why it matters.

That principle works naturally in turn-based games, where time conveniently stops while you think. But Grand Strategy titles live and breathe in real time and not just as a turn-based, which makes pacing far trickier. So we asked ourselves: how do we recreate that gentle learning curve?

Our answer is Adaptive Automation. In EUV, most major systems can be automated. It’s optional, flexible, and entirely under the player’s control. Early on, you might automate several of these systems to focus on the fundamentals or simply the playstyle tied to the recommended country of your choice: learning what matters without juggling everything at once. As your mastery grows, you can start switching off automation feature by feature, taking full control at your own pace.

This not only creates a smoother onboarding for newcomers but also gives veterans powerful tools to shape their experience. A long campaign naturally goes through phases; perhaps during wartime, you let your economy run itself, and in peacetime, you turn your attention inward, managing estates and diplomacy in detail. Adaptive Automation isn’t just for beginners; it’s a quality-of-life system for everyone.

Generic Walkthrough / Automation Step + Automation Panel

Each Playstyle Walkthrough gently guides players toward which systems they might want to automate first, depending on their chosen Playstyle and Recommended Country. You can toggle automation on or off at any time, using it to pace your learning — or simply to take a breather from managing every moving part of an empire.

In the end, Pace in EUV means freedom: the freedom to decide how much you want to handle, when you want to handle it, and how you want to grow into the full complexity of the game. It’s learning through empowerment, not restriction.

3. Reward
Finally, let’s address the elephant in the room: Tutorials are rarely fun.

They’re often skipped or rushed through just to “get to the real game.” But in a Grand Strategy game like EUV, the process of figuring things out can be half the fun if players have the right tools and structure around them.

Beyond the integration and pacing systems we’ve already discussed, we wanted to add another layer that taps directly into the player’s sense of motivation and accomplishment. Research into learning and cognition consistently shows that deep understanding happens when one actively performs the task, not when they just follow instructions. Players learn best when they take meaningful actions, see the results, and connect cause and effect on their own.

That’s where Learning Mission Trees come in. Each Mission Tree offers a series of short-term, focused objectives, not abstract “lessons”, but real gameplay challenges that matter to your nation. You might be asked to establish a trade route, integrate your territory, balance your estates, or wage a limited war under specific conditions. Completing these tasks feels satisfying because they represent genuine progress inside a campaign.

Mission Panel / Mission Focus

>>2172726
Only six countries in the base game?!??1??!!1???

Missions in EUV act as a bridge between theory and experience: they encourage players to make decisions that are both educational and impactful. Every completed goal reinforces a mechanic in context, so players aren’t simply memorizing features; they’re mastering them through meaningful play.

Mission Tree / Develop a Capital Economy

And as you complete missions of an specific Playstyle, the game can gradually reduce automation on relevant systems, letting you take control naturally and allowing you to unlock the rest of the Walkthroughs. You’re not being lectured or led by the hand; instead, the game gives you the chance to earn your understanding step by step.

Mission Panel / Current Tasks

Missions in the Outliner: Here you can Unlock and Replay specific Walkthroughs.
To wrap up
Designing an onboarding system for a Grand Strategy game as deep as Europa Universalis V has been one of our toughest and most rewarding challenges we’ve tackled at Tinto. Our goal wasn’t just to make the game easier to learn, but to make learning it part of the experience itself.

From Recommended Countries and Adaptive Walkthroughs to Hints, Automation, and Learning Mission Trees, everything is designed to guide without restricting. You can skip steps, turn off missions, or jump straight into free play whenever you like. You’re the ruler; we just hand you the tools. We’ll continue refining the systems as we gather feedback from internal testing and, eventually, from you.

That’s all for today’s Tinto Talks! Next week, our CM, Ryan, will dive into the Modding Systems of the game!

And also remember, you can Pre-Purchase Europa Universalis V now! Cheers!

>>2172444
Well said.

>>2172750
Missions are back baby, except now everyone gets the generic missions and you have to pay for every unique tree.

>>2172726
>as game developers, we can’t just shrug and say “they’ll figure it out.”
well that makes a change.

>>2172756
based! I was worried I wouldn't be able to support GODhan outside of kneeling

Personally I think tutorials should be banned. I am sick of games having unskippable
>"YOU CAN MOVE YOUR CAMERA WITH WASD! YOU CAN ROTATE YOUR CA-"
FUCK OFF AND DIE!

>>2172773
Hot take: needing to have the wiki open on a second screen to do literally anything is not an ideal video game experience

>>2172787
nesting tooltips is the best form of tutorial. Don't need a wiki article on another monitor when you have 10 wiki articles open in the tooltips

>>2172773
just turn the tutorial off bruv
not a big deal

>>2172750
The game already had enough flavor. Adding in generic mission trees just makes nations feel more generic. It is like putting a placeholder logo on to an otherwise nicely designed website.

>>2172793
The mission trees are just a generic tutorial for people that need their hands held

>>2171980
See >>2172726

>>2172791
That's not good enough, they should not exist and having tutorials makes the devs lazy and incapable of making the game intuitive to play because they can just tell people to go though a dogshit tutorial.
>>2172787
If you need a wiki to play you are sub 110iq.

>>2172797
>sub 110iq
That's like 80% of the whole fanbase.

>ottomans need constant buffs to be able to get even CLOSE to beating the Byzantine BVLL

VGH…

>>2172827
They need some Indian tags to ride them too

>>2172829
GREAT HOPPING HADITHS! ARE YOU TELLING ME THAT I HAVE TO WATCH FROM BEHIND THIS LINE AS THE ZVTTS RUN A TRAIN ON THE PROPHET (pbuh) AND RUIN HIS SEMETIC BUSSY? AND THEY'LL COVER HIS ROBE WITH SEMEN STAINS SO HE HAS TO WALK AROUND WITH A CONSTANT REMINDER OF HIM BEING ZVTTED? WHAT'S THAT, I HAVE TO DOCUMENT THE WHOLE THING SO PEOPLE HUNDREDS OF YEARS FROM NOW WILL KNOW HOW HE GOT ZUTTED AND MADE INTO A LAUGHING STOCK WHILE I JUST SAT AND WATCHED? WELL, LET'S GET THIS SHOW ON THE ROAD AND INTO HIS BUSSY YABBA DABBA DOOO AHAMDULLIAHADOOOOO

>>2172797
vgh... if only I could be as intelligent as you, professor!!!!!!

who is the strongest zutt?

>>2172750
They shouldn't have added missions at all if they're all going to be THIS generic

>>2172839
did yo uread the post? it's just a generic tutorial

>>2172672
>Does this mean they have a different target audience?
Depends on the kind of pizzeria.

>>2172773
Paradox has never made such a descriptive tutorial thoughveit, as a matter of fact all their tutorials have sucked due to being too general like Victoria or Crusader Kings', not explaining new dlc-bloat features like EU4's or whatever the fuck Jobhan was trying to do with his shitty moustachioed man fanfic in HoI3.

>>2172845
>his shitty moustachioed man fanfic in HoI3.
that was sovl

>>2172726
>That thousand-yard stare that says, “Wait, so you are a… Country?
Do normies really? I thought games like Civilization already permeated into pop culture and your average joe knows what's up with these kind of games.

>>2172847
Nice try, Johan

>>2172850
Yeah I've literally never heard a normie get confused about the concept of playing as a country

>>2172836
Delhi

>>2172860
His paintings weren't even bad though. They were rejected because the art school was a modern one that valued "art" instead of art. This shit institutional taste in art literally cost us millions of lives. Always remember this when you see someone snobbishly praise garbage.

>>2172872
He struggled with perspective a lot when painting
Go look at any of his work and you'll see that it's decent for an amateur, but not good enough for a prestigious school

>>2172872
His paintings were pretty bad (lacking both basic technical knowledge and creativity), the surge of photography made realism as an artistic movement void & moot (thus why artists focused on new perspectives - after dominating basic techniques unlike Shitler) and yahtzees had horrible taste in art (unlike the italian futurists), which is why you always see their modern fans with Becker's tacky neo-classical larp statues as profile pictures.

>>2172850
It's difficult for some normalfags to conceptualize abstract ideas like that.
In Civilization is easy because you play as the ruler of that country.

>>2172878
>yahtzees had horrible taste in art
Take that back you fucking cunt.

>>2172874
>>2172878
Maybe it wasn't actually real. But I remember seeing an image that showed what artists supposedly got through the same school in Hitler's time. All of them were unappealing scribbles and other shit. Even if he had issues with his art, he definitely knew more artistic techniques than these guys who seemed to be competing for who could draw the ugliest thing.

>>2172881
>In Civilization is easy because you play as the ruler of that country.
Which, at the end of the day, it represents the "spirit" of the country you are playing. Unless you believe that same person could be alive and capable of ruling a country over hundred of years.

>>2172821
>shitty
Na it is only an expanded version of what we had in EU3 and EU4 1.0 and those were fine.

>>2172891
Brainlets need to anthropomorphize the country or else they will be unable to roleplay as said country

>>2172890
It's not like they gave Adolf shit about his paintings. Iirc the guy doing the admission told him that his works aren't fit for what the school pursues to teach and told him to get into a school for architectural drawing instead which would fit his goals more.

>>2172893
But anon all countries need tits

>>2172896
Poland only needs hips

>>2172870
but they are muslim afghans

>>2172893
>Brainlets need to anthropomorphize the country or else they will be unable to roleplay as said country
While we autists need not to

>>2172900
Poland ESPECIALLY needs tits.

>>2172890
It was real in your dreams, anon. If anything the opposite is true, there are a gorillion comparison instances of "degenerate" artists showing that realism came easily to them unlike Hitler, who didn't even know how to keep perspective.

>>2172887
No, the only thing worthy of appreciation might have been Speer-Hilter's "Germania", which was such an overcompensating kitsch mix of larp & modernity that it somehow overflows into showing the juggernaut-industrialization spirit of the germans of the time.

>>2172893
>or else they will be unable to roleplay as said country
Then they are in the wrong game. CK3 is the game for roleplaying and ERPfagging

>>2172750
motherfuckers why did they add mission trees again?

>>2172797
how does the devs adding a tutorial make them lazy? its less effort than not adding one.

>>2172909
>Germania
Devalued due to Speer's involvement.

>>2172878
>yahtzees
kys

>>2172927
Lmao, no reaction to calling Hitler, Shitler, but you seethe at me calling nazis, yahtzees?

>>2172925
Idk, I think his kind of autism went well with AH concepts of the city, and his architectural knowledge certainly chained it to reality.

>>2172906
As an autist I love self inserting as the unfeeling, uncaring, gestalt consciousness of a nation
Nothing brings me greater joy than moving thousands of unnamed peasants and soldiers on a map to their eventual bloody death to further the glory of the homeland

>>2172921
because it's the fucking tutorial system you braindead retard
read the god damn post

>>2172972
Based beyond words

>>2172924
The answer is in the fucking post you middle eastern goat.

>>2172972
This is the way

>>2172909
>>2172925
>Germania
lmao, the irony in this whole situation is that Berlin has shit-tier soil that could have collapsed if the monstrosity called Germania was truly built

>>2172994
>>2173001
get a tampon

>>2173027
I prefer a Flex Cup, thank you very much.

Afrika Universalis is coming soon, according to insiders

>>2173034
Finally a paradox game in modern times!

>>2173014
>the physical manifestation of Germany's dreams of grandeur and empire would have sunk under its own weight due to disregarding contextual realities
Creative writing professors would call this too on the nose.

>>2172934
you called Hitler shitler??? omgod you wouldnt call trump drumpf would you?

Hitler was buried in jewish skinned boots. YOU LOST

using an exonym like "germania" was cucked anyway, should have stayed with something including "deutsch" or "theodisk"

>>2173126
LMAO

>>2173126
Should've called it Hitlerville

>>2173126
>using an exonym like "germania" was cucked anyway,
Now that I think of it, why did they use the term "Germania"?

>>2173144
rome connection

>>2172972
I prefer being a tangible entity even if it's something vague like 'the government'. I like it when there's other actors within my country like the estates or vassals who are trying to fuck me over, it makes the whole thing feel much more alive. I feel like I'm in the minority on this but I really like the addition of character and the cabinet in EU5, looking forward to sending my brother-in-law to integrate Albania or some bullshit.

>>2173160
>looking forward to sending my brother-in-law to integrate Albania
You mean exterminate Albania.... right?

>>2173158
Would Mussolini have renamed Rome to "Italien" too?

>>2173170
Mussolini already had the glory of Rome itself

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8Kudd2u-h0

Another Habibi mapmode showcase

>>2173144
As >>2173158 said, it was about a connection towards an idealized roman empire. Well and the imagery of the whole of antiquities germania, which was larger than germany.
Nazis did like their Romans, even the 5th SS tank division was intended to be called germania, they went with wiking instead because of its regiments was already called germania.

I want to play the fucking game

I want to fuck the game players

>>2173334
That is CK3
>>2173359
That is Vic3

Is Antarctica in EU5?
Want to do a similar playthrough to what I think Greenland is going to be in EU5 but with Neuschwabenland instead.

>>2173439
It would be cool if it was an ominous cluster of clouds or something.

>>2173439
No, it's not

>>2173439
I'd love more of a soft lock on colonizing Antarctica. You could do it, but you'd have to pour in a stupid amount of resources for no tangible gain except painting the map.

>>2168478
>redditmals
Liking animals does not make you reddit. Now, liking animals over your human brethren, that's peak reddit.

>>2173439
>Neuschwabenland
That's outside the scope of EU5's timeline.

>>2173456
This would be pretty interesting. I'm not even sure it would be completely impossible depending on the location. While it would've sucked ass and been a huge waste of time and money. There are at least some places on the continent that humans could inhabit even with early modern technology.

>>2173456
it's more of a victorian age kinda thing thoughbeit

>>2173456
I think you're underestimating how fucked up inhospitable Antarctica is, it's significantly worse even than Svalbard and that was a marginal settlement in EU timeframe.

>>2173639
You could fish in Svalbard. You can't do that in Antarctica because of the sea conditions and the distance to markets. There is no economic activity that a pre 1900's group could do on Antarctica, people living there would have to be subsidized and supported 100% and they would give no benefits back. You can't even use the area as a base to support operations in the area.

>>2173639
>I think you're underestimating how fucked up inhospitable Antarctica is
No. Ask me how I know you're stupid.

>>2173672
Ok smartass do your good will hunting thing then

>>2173681
You think other people think like actual drooling mouth breathers because that's all you could imagine. That's strike one. I don't immediately judge based on one thing, but that's always a big one.

Strike two is mistaking a discussion about design philosophy into a discussion about the habitability of Antarctica. You didn't pick up that the whole idea is to let players fail at doing bafflingly stupid things rather than having a big "no" sign?
Strike three is comparing historical reality to a scenario that's already outlined as strategically pointless. The difference with strike two here is that even if you missed the idea that players should be allowed to do things that make no sense, a person of average intellect should have realized I explicitly stated that it shouldn't be worthwhile.

>>2173687
retard

>>2173687
That mechanic is largely in the game already, if you want to waste money gift it to the AI

>>2173687
setting up colonies in antartica is retarded
there's no food, no liquid water, no fuel
in order to sustain a thousand people there you would need the entire british navy constantly ferrying supplies to people that aren't productive in the least because there is literally no way to be productive
you might as well complain about not being able to build on the ocean floor, or the moon

>>2173691
It's not a complaint, really. It's all development time for small things that don't matter. Instead of idiot proofing games, games should play around more with giving idiot bait.

>>2173698
The anons point is entirely correct. You may as well complain that you can't colonize the ocean. Addition of antarctica as deliberate time waster is as productive time for an game designer as adding ocean colonies as deliberate time waster. It's extra bloat that lowers performance for no reason and breaks the narrative of the game the same way moon or ocean colonies would. If you wish to add it into the game just mod it later (you won't) but developers should absolutely not waste time on retarded ideas just to make the game worse on every metric.

>>2173703
Do you think your (and that other anon's) lecture is
A) among the most retarded posts ITT
B) poignant and meaningful?
Think about this for 20 seconds.

>>2173710
You thought it was smart to post an utterly foolish idea and double down in a public forum, I thought it was worth my time to blow you out what's more to it than that, pot meet the kettle.

>>2173726
I'll clarify something. Was my "suggestion" meaningful?
No, and I will readily say I didn't even consider I should've given a disclaimer. It obviously wasn't meant to be advice that John Paradox copies uncritically. I even said myself, it's all just development time and meaningless as a mechanic. There's a reason I emphasized that, believe it or not.

In response to a fundamentally unserious hypothetical idea, all you've done is given me *good* reason to doubt in your ability to do 2nd order thinking. You failed at a task that nobody should've undertaken. There's something incredibly meta about that. Same goes for anyone that jumps on board with you. Give me 20,000 people who don't see it, and I'll point to 20,000 people whose reasoning skills can't be trusted.

>>2173730
Again, you posted something retarded and got blown out and now you are coping. If that makes you feel better more power to you but it should make you feel retarded the fact that it doesn't seem to do so confirms that you are retarded.

>>2173789
Not really, I just threw around a meme idea and got bafflingly stupid ideas. Your ideas are so dumb they aren't worth addressing. Especially since you seem like the brand or retard that wants to fight over this. Maybe look into a mirror and realize you're throwing in your lot with people that think you need to convince people that inhabiting Antarctica makes no sense.

>>2173801
>brand or retard
>or

>>2173829
Very sharp eyes. If you're still the same guy, maybe consider what I said. I'm coping and seething so hard that I'm convinced a reasonable person should just take a step back and actually rethink what this argument is about.

>>2173831
>I'm convinced

>>2173801
Again I simply blew you out, if coping about it makes you feel better more power to you but it should make you feel retarded the fact that it doesn't seem to do so confirms that you are retarded.

>>2168614
As a mountain man, I disagree. River people are weak fags.

>>2173874
You're too stupid to realize you never responded to the idea. It was my mistake trying to imply that you were smart enough to realize that on your own.
Most of this conversation is me pointing out the idea itself is not worth responding to, but you failed anyway.

>>2173687
retard

>>2172412
>mfw my dad bought EU1 in elementary school for us to play

>>2173993
Was it good? Mine bought American Conquest and I loved it.

>>2173913
Most of the conversation is actually me pointing out that you are retarded and you being too stupid not to realize it.

Is it possible to form Israel? Is there or will there be a formable country for people of the Israelite group in EU5? The Devs have given almost no information about jews or judaism in this game and I'm really curious.

>>2174117
most likely

>>2174117
I really think there should be a decision always available if you get powerful enough as a Jewish country. Maybe the levant will allow you to form something even more significant. But you should be able to establish an Israel anywhere. Could even lead to fun things like an overwhelmingly Jewish colonial nation potentially breaking free and establishing itself as Israel in a far off land.

>>2174182
>Maybe the levant will allow you to form something even more significant.
If you own Jerusalem as Israel events will move thousands of jewish pops to you

Will Jewish baking nations have a buff to interest rates

>>2174220
interest is forbidden for jews, so having more then one jewish nation would weaken them significantly because they cant extort each other

>>2174220
Only to gentile and goyim clients, fellow Jewish clients don't have to pay interest thanks to all the savings they made scamming goyim.

Game is 15 GB at release

>>2174220
No they have a buff to doughnut production

>>2174250
Wasn't he banned?

>>2174250
23,000+ 5.25” floppies. The west has fallen

>>2174256
They just made him change his description or whatever those things are called.

>>2174264
Signature
>>2174250
13 GB devoted to flag .tga files.

>>2174268
>13 GB devoted to flag .tga files.
Based, johan has his priorities straight

>>2174268
They are not fucking around

>>2174276
Nothing beats 48.

>>2174276
The flags until 54 are quite ugly. Maybe we don't need Canada after all.

>>2174258
Kek

>>2173829
that minor spelling mistake will show em.

>>2173035
Stuck at flint spears and disease for 8,000 years!

What Wakanda horseshit will it be?

>>2173014
Well, soft soil. Not "bad". Misleading

>>2174276
UTN is fucking awesome

>>2174264
what was it??

>>2174460
Some Ukraine support message.

i thought today was when these youtubers could show footage of the game, has anyone uploaded shit yet?

>>2174479
I thought it was only on November 2nd

>>2174480
i think they were given like the first build they can record shit with... but i guess yeah... they can only upload it at the 2nd? wonder why theyre so secretive about footage desu

>>2174479
They got the final build and are getting 2 weeks to have an EU5 video ready to post for Halloween. And then they can start posting anything on the 2nd.

>>2172850
Have you ever tried to play Catan with pure normalfags? For the first hour you have to constantly remind them they have no player token on the board and the settlements/roads are what they're playing as

>>2174495
I have played Catan with first timers (family members, colleagues, etc.) a sizable amount of times and none of them were ever confused by the aspect of not having a player character.
This might be a strictly American thing, they're stupid like that.

>>2174250
So which youtuber will leak the game first and why is it Ludi?spoiler]

>>2172890
Heh, look at Picasso's early works, before he jumped on the scribbling train. It's incredible stuff, Hitler's paintings are someyhing you expect to find from street artists

>>2174495
I have literally never had this problem and I have played with all sorts of people. As the other anon said this sounds like an American thing.

>>2172890
I think a lot of people confuse facts here. Always keep the chronology in mind. Some of Hitler's paintings show real skill. I looked at this rejection letter and it was was on point considering his portfolio. His portfolio was kind of ass. He should've worked on himself an reapplied, if we're being frank.

>>2174343
NTA but in the context of a city or any urban area bad soil usually means bad soil for building. New York has bad soil too for example. After all you're not growing anything in the concrete anyway so its agricultural value is moot.

>>2174578
Lambert will fuck up his scheduled timer again, fall asleep and release his video early.