Thread 2171309

Their expansions literally cost 30€, and all they do is add a couple more buttons and events.
You can buy GTA V for the same amount of money, for a lot more content.
Just kinda seems like consumers are not getting much bang for their buck.
But for whatever reason, people let the devs get away with it.

>>2171309 (OP)
>Are Paracuck games really worth 300 bucks?
Not really.
Buy base game, pirate dlc.
Maybe buy the dlc you think are worth it during sales, to do your part to show market forces what is worth making.
>You can buy GTA V for the same amount of money, for a lot more content.
That's wrong though.
You'll have orders of magnitude more content in the grand strategy games compared to GTA5.
Doesn't mean you should pay for all of their DLC at full price, but if that's how you measure worth than yeah Hoi4>GTA5, Eu4>GTA5, CK2>GTA5, V2>GTA5

>>2171309 (OP)
>Just kinda seems like consumers are not getting much bang for their buck.
On what grounds do you make this assertion?

Because my hundreds of hours tell me otherwise.

>>2171309 (OP)
>Are Paracuck games really worth 300 bucks?
No, but they have STEMcel and dad gamers to findom
>You can buy GTA V for the same amount of money, for a lot more content.
GTA does not have anywhere near the amount of content that a strategy game has

>>2171345
>No, but they have STEMcel and dad gamers to findom
And yet that doesn't seem to be enought for them. The casualization of their games and adding Asia to CK3 suggest they are desperate to grow their audience.
>GTA does not have anywhere near the amount of content that a strategy game has
That's an interesting argument. What do you consider content? GTA has millions of 3D models and thousands of recorded audio lines.
In contrast, what is CK3's content? Event texts?

>>2171361
it's really apples and oranges and was a stupid comparison for that guy to make

>>2171309 (OP)
Don't they have a thing where you can rent the dlc for a play through?
>>2171326
Cuck

>>2171309 (OP)
i have over 10k combined hours on paraslop games, probably the most efficient money ive ever spent on vidya games.

>>2171398
cuck

>>2171361
>What do you consider content?
EU4 and GTA5 came out the same year, but only one of these has the average person who played it putting in hundreds or thousands of hours and still playing it to this day
>>2171390
A subscription yeah

Stop being a poorfag.

>>2171425
Cuck

>>2171345
>The final file size for GTA 6 is not confirmed, but leaks and fan speculation suggest it will be substantial, likely around 200 GB or more. This is an estimate based on the game's immense scope and comparison to previous large titles like Red Dead Redemption 2. It will be significantly larger than its predecessors due to its highly detailed world and new-generation hardware.
LOL WUT? GTA 6 will have way more of everything at launch than EU 5 ever will after 100 DLCs.

>>2171345
>>2171398
>>2171425
shills? or just retards?

>>2171434
cucks

>>2171434
>>2171436
Stop fucking seething, paupers.

>>2171434
>200 GB
western AAA game devs don't know how to compress games

>>2171439
cuck a doodle doo

bro made a post thinking everyone would agree with his poor take and gets mad when everyone calls him poor zoomer.

>>2171451
Does the NPC have any other responses, or have I exhausted its dialogue?

>>2171410
>>2171434
anon do you not have any hobbies outside of gaming? a weekend camping trip for me easily costs a few hundred dollars between food, gas, adventure pass, etc. Crying about a one time $300 expense that will last you the better half of a decade of free time is so pathetic that i cant express how much of a loser faggot you are

>>2171503
We are at a period of largest global wealth inequality since the Gilded Age. Starting socialist revolutions or just unionizing for better pay is hard.

Bitching at others to lower costs so you can keep pretending you aren't poor is easy.

>>2171506
that doesnt matter at all, we're talking about something that costs you about $30 a year over a decade. If you cant justify that then go fucking play csgo or league of legends

>>2171361
It's never enough for any company, they must get infinite money or else their shareholders would get angry.

The main issue is not the day 1 adopter price since it's expected. It's that paradox keeps their dlc at that price in perpetuity outside of sales and very rarely if ever rolls old dlc into the core game. When they do it's not to provide new players with what should be a baseline experience, it's only because designing new dlc without those features available becomes impossible.
Eu4 with all the dlc should not cost what it does in 2025

>>2171533
They'll probably drop it once EU5 releases. Or some time after. I'll pitch them the idea of doing a reverse CK2, and releasing all the DLC for free, instead.

Creative Assembly doesn't do this, and instead tried to pivot to a completely different genre, (because there is barely any money here) and it is absolutely NOT working out for them.

>>2171503
>camping
oh, you're retarded

>>2171540
brown

>>2171309 (OP)
>Are Paracuck games really worth 300 bucks?
Yes. I wish they didn't do the DLC bullshit because it leads to fragmented and poorly integrated game mechanics. But I have hundreds to thousands of hours in every Paradox game I've played. I can't say they aren't worth 300 bucks. And I understand why they do the DLC stuff; if they just charged 300 bucks up front people would say it's way too expensive and many people who would otherwise buy the base game at least, would just not buy it at all.

>>2171436
So like you?

>>2171309 (OP)
I have like 5k+ hours in these games.
No, definitely not.
It's one of those things wagies buy just to spend on something, like people with collector hobbies or hoarding habits. Source: I did this. Even bought units packs for the little models.

FWIW, the prices used to be a lot lower. Art of War was a big DLC for EU4 that pretty much changed the whole game. A huge overhaul. It was 10 bucks.
With the new generation they started to really jack up prices. Royal Court is the worst example imo, $30 and frankly you don't even want the DLC because it's annoying.

I just pirate the DLC for these games now, they have more than enough of my money already. It's trivial to do this and buying the base game is perfectly reasonable.

>>2171550
>EU4 released in 2013
>last patch dropped in 2024
Bruh, can you imagine spending 11 years in dev on a game to come out and ask 500 dollars for it?

>>2171309 (OP)
The expected behavior is not to purchase $500 worth of game immediately, but rather to buy the base game at launch and then gobble up DLCs as they become available and where relevant to your particular interests, or eventually as they go on sale.

If you play and enjoy the game a lot, spending $20 for another cool feature is reasonable. The fact that you've already spent $140 on cool features is only relevant if you regret those purchases, which you often won't if you're getting hundreds or thousands of hours of entertainment out of the combined product. If a DLC looks bad or outside your tastes, you'll probably skip it.

All that being said, Paradox are notoriously Jewish about their DLC model, alongside being clowns in general. Nobody thinks Paradox games are good or reasonably priced relative to other video games, but there's no real competition and they're well worth it if you're into them.

>>2171577
>Nobody thinks Paradox games are good or reasonably priced relative to other video games
I factor in audience size, and yes, they are.

Not every game is popular enough to be released for free and make bank from cosmetics alone. Some people refuse to accept that fact.

>>2171557
>I just pirate the DLC for these games now, they have more than enough of my money already. It's trivial to do this and buying the base game is perfectly reasonable.

I've never understood how to do it. From what I understand You have to get those dlcs from somewhere and then You need to get some .dll file to make steam think You own those dlcs? Like, I'd love to play TNO or Kaiserreich but I refuse to shill out 200€ for HoI4 and I am getting sick of those subscriptions for 10 yo games.

>>2171580
Creamapi bro

>>2171577
Buying those dlcs feels much more bearable now that they started doing those yearly expansion passes. They cost what? 50€? I keep buying them for CK3, Slopparis and HoI4. I don't think 150€/year is that bad when I take into consideration that I have over 6,5k hours combined on these games. Nothing can provide me with so much entertainment for this amount of money. Tbh, even "cheap" 1 evening dates that would fail anyway are much more expensive that these yearly paraslop expansion passes. I'd much rather stay with paraslop.

>>2171584
Do you need to talk about?

>>2171577
Yeah, if you are buying the DLC as they come out they are small individual purchases spread over years so it doesn't feel like a big deal. The part about picking which one to buy is kinda a lie though. Some of the games are better or worse about it but even seemingly unrelated DLC have paywalled common features. In theory it's possible to just get the base game and only what you like but in practice you'll have a weird inferior experience of patchwork of features the game is not balanced around. This does create a very high barrier to entry.

>>2171538
It also doesn't help CA that they latched onto warscape and will ride that titanic to the bottom of the atlantic.
I am one of the former TW fans that will not touch another TW title because warscape simply cannot function outside of the narrow environment it was designed for. It was barely functional when they made it and against all odds they pulled out a miracle with shogun 2 and fots.

Paracucks

>>2171626
The TW battle engine is imo good enough for what it does now but we are really overdue for a true next gen thing, especially since CA seems to be eyeing settings that go beyond line warfare and that just ain't gonna work.
The industry seems to be allergic to this kind of work though. It's not just TW, it feels like everyone got stuck somewhere in 10s at the latest and they keep riding the aging spaghetti codebase forever with no real evolution in tech and gameplay.

>>2171439
Cuck
>>2171464
Cuck

>>2171309 (OP)
I'd honestly rather wipe my ass with 300 bucks then give it to paradox

>>2171577
>The expected behaviour is not to purchase $500 worth of game
> not to purchase
gotcha

>>2171309 (OP)
No. Just pirate everything.

>>2171648
>The TW battle engine is imo good enough for what it does now
Boy what a day to write this kind of retarded stuff.

>>2171687
It works, controls and UI are good, you move units around and they fight each other. I don't care about reload animation autism. It could be nice but it's not a deal-breaker. It's good enough to be an enjoyable game.

>>2171309 (OP)
free mods to their games have more content are higher quality than most of their dogshit low effort dlcs

>>2171309 (OP)
The DLCs are a means to an end to keep developing the games.
Games used to reach their final state at version 1.0 or 1.1, later versions being mostly intended for bug fixes.

Whether they're worth buying depends on your income.
Why you aren't pirating it to begin with is a mystery.

>>2171581
Do achievements still work that way

>>2171697
>it's not a deal-breaker
You are a shill or retarded.

>>2171708
Yes. Honestly even the Steam emulators have achievements nowadays so you can just pirate the whole game.

>>2171711
What is that supposed to prove? The recent negative reviews is because they broke the campaign AI not because everyone suddenly woke up and suddenly share whatever your muh warscape obsession that probably hasn't been true since after empire anyway.

>>2171309 (OP)
depends how you look at it. is a game you can potentially play for thousands of hours worth $300? i think so, but individually, most of the DLCs are borderline scams in what they provide

>>2171716
>Listen the game is utterly broken but it doesn't mean the game is shit ok??
Ah, so you are retarded.

>>2171724
>>The TW battle engine is imo good enough for what it does now
Learn to read

>>2171415
GTA5 is dead after they put that stupid hover bike with rocket launchers that never miss on it. It’s just a grind fest for money now that all of the newer vehicles have inflated prices.


>>2171434
speculating about a game that hasn’t been released yet and no one was talking about to make your point? Pathetic.

what this thread reveals is that if you're dumb enough to put thousands of hours into a pairofcocks game then you're equally tarded enough to throw 500 dollars at it.

>>2171506
Take your Marxist bullshit to /pol/ and take your cold takes on video games with you.

>>2171735
The battle engine has been shit for the past decade.

>>2171739
>speculating about a game that hasn’t been released yet and no one was talking about to make your point? Pathetic.
I mean the same point holds for EU IV and GTA 5. I don't see why it wouldn't be the same for the next iteration of each game.

>>2171309 (OP)
I think conventional knowledge is you either pirate all of it or buy only what you want. I did that for years as a poorfag before I gratuated. Since then, especially with CK3, its more like a yearly subscription model. And that is the way PDX thinks about long term support for the game as well. I have at least 100 hours in CK3 per year the game has been out. While I don't know if every DLC is really worth $30 dollars, I do know I have gotten 100's of hours out of the game over the years. That seems worth supporting.

>>2171540
You really should go out more

>>2171309 (OP)
I mean I have a friend who (somehow) put 1k hours into EU4, only ever played the extended timeline mod, and never got a single dlc because he's both broke and scared of piracy

>>2171540
get laid incel

>>2171584
> that would fail anyway

Fucking virgin

>>2171711
No, you’re just brain dead. That recent fiasco has nothing to do with what he mentioned.

I put 2K hours on some games that only cost me 30 bucks and had no DLCs.

>>2171762
Anon, are you familiar with the concept of bait?

>>2171717
>most of the DLCs are borderline scams in what they provide
Remember when they sold horse armor-equivalent?

>>2171309 (OP)
>Are Paracuck games really worth 300 bucks?
No. This model makes the game and its mechanics really fragmented with all the downsides in interconnectivity that this obviously brings.
>all they do is add a couple more buttons and events
Exactly.

This websites discussion quality is horrible, it's like dumpster diving.

Someone makes a claim, someone disagrees, then there's no actual argument, it instantly devolves into shit flinging and buzz word spewing. It's painfully ironic to say someone lacks any self agency by calling them an NPC; you lack total self awareness at that point.

What's the point of even replying or visiting the majority of these threads? Nothing of meaning will be gained from writing or reading. The last thread I saw with people actually discussing a game was the Menace thread days ago.

>>2171770
You also used to have to pay to have blacks in your game. Paradox got backlash for this so they eventually made the African portraits DLC free. You can still turn it off and all the Africans get replaced with Arabs.

>>2171798
reddit is calling

>>2171798
Blow it out your ass.

>>2171545
>>2171752
>>2171755
>getting rained on while you walk to the store
:|

>getting rained on while you're in the middle of nowhere
:o

>>2171809
I laugh while crying.

>>2171309 (OP)
>every DLC makes the already easy game even easier
Such bizarre design philosophy.

Personally, I think Paradox should stop developing in-house DLC and focus on free patches.
To keep profiteering, they should monetize the total conversions mods, as these often have more content than the actual DLC.

>>2171849
>Paradox should stop developing in-house DLC and focus on free patches
That's downright antisemitic.

>>2171849
They tried something similar to that but it didn't really turn out well
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1622900/Star_Trek_Infinite/

I would pay money for them to stop releasing dlc/updating their games. They always fuck up the core idea over the years until it becomes something else entirely.

>>2171864
No, that was the opposite of it.
There was already a popular Star Trek mod in Stellaris.
Instead of hiring the dev and selling the mod, they contracted an Argentinian game dev studio to make a stand-alone game.
Hence, the Stellaris mod directly competed with it and had more content. I also think the mod-dev shat on it.
It was doomed to fail.
It should have been a DLC, and they should have hired the mod, not a random game developer.

>>2171798
It's just one faggot shitting up the thread in a poor attempt at trolling

>>2171705
You don't attract competitors by being a dusty broke bitch.

Every time I point out that Paradox has no competition, because there is no money in this genre, people bragging about piracy prove my point.

>>2171309 (OP)
There's only so many autists to cater an autistic map painter game towards. Instead of focusing on capturing a wider audience and then monetizing the whales they have to frisk everyone else. This is the price you pay for having a company provide quality to your specific niche of Vidya game.

>>2172034
Eu5 is also going all in on catering to autists, even willing to filter the more casual paradrones so expect their dlc policy to be the worst offender

>>2172034
Gilded Destiny

>>2172034
>Instead of focusing on capturing a wider audience
This is literally what they are doing with CK3's china DLC

>>2171770
To be fair $2 for 50 new shields is a better value proposition than a lot of their dlc that's $20 for like one new mechanic that adds flavor and a bunch of other things that break the game for an entire update cycle. When it comes to paradox I'd actually prefer horse armor tier dlc rather than what they do most of the time.

>>2172034
>capturing a wider audience
Sorry to say, but Paradox's Gorbachev's got kicked out and Perestroika has been cancelled. If they wanted a "wider audience", they'd be putting titties in loot boxes.

Best they can do is make stuff more easily accessible, to get more addicts.

>>2172038
It already is
>the purple phoenix.
The first eu4 dlc and the byzantines have been a thing forever, for once just lump them into the base game. I get byzaboos are an easy mark but it's not a good look to literally repeat dlc's from game to game.

>>2172128
>they'd be putting titties in loot boxes.
Yes please.

>>2172135
Oh, ffs. How many coomer gachas do you need?

You laugh but if the vampire survivors guys decided to make a grand strategy they could pull it off.

>>2172136
Gachas are very fun.
I added a gacha mechanic to my own game, and was surprised by how much fun it added.

>>2172147
>fun
No, that's just gambling addiction surfacing. Better get a handle on it, before it starts ruining your life.

>>2171999
Piracy is rampant in paradox games because their marketing and devlopment makes purchasing an unattractive value proposition.

>>2172161
Sounds like dusty cope.

>>2172166
I simply understand economics unlike you commies

>>2172168
Yeah, you're broke, you can't pay, you need to rationalize it. Simple economics.

>noooo why are so many people pirating our products?
>are they too expensive for what they offer?
>no they're just poor

>>2172196
Yes. It isn't complicated.

Try applying inflation calculator to these prices, economics understander, and see what your parents had to pay for such classics as... Super Mario 3.

>>2172203
You're just reinforcing my argument, the value proposition for parents to make their children happy is a greater motivator to spend.

>>2172208
Uh-huh. What did the calculator say? Fifty bucks from 1990. Chop chop. Let me hear it.

>>2172212
Again
>You're just reinforcing my argument, the value proposition for parents to make their children happy is a greater motivator to spend.

>>2172213
The number. Post it. Do it. Nigger.

>>2172215
It could be $200 and you'd still be on the losing side of this argument because you're literally proving my point for me.

>>2172217
Damn, am I? Games have been getting nothing but better, longer and cheaper for decades. But your ass is going broke even faster than that, so it's still a problem. Now you're here blathering about "value propositions", instead of fucking unionizing and demanding better pay.

>>2172196
>>2172220
nta but modern games ship uncomplete and then you unlock the full game after the first dlc or two. You are still paying more for vidya the marketing scheme is just designed to make you believe they still cost $60

>>2171309 (OP)
If you enjoy the games and spend hundreds of hours on them, it's ok to be a paracuck that pays 300 dollars for a few buttons and events.

>>2172316
I mean, I guess there is worse thing to spend 300 bucks on.
You could spend it on Raid: Shadow Legends

poorfag cope thread

>>2172322
I actually played that and I enjoyed it too

I mean these are games people regularly put hundreds or thousands of hours into. Like youre paying a faction of a dollar per hour of enjoyment. Which i say is worth what youre paying

>>2171829
too busy playing games you can't afford

>>2172283
Learn to read, idiot.

By the way, since that obtuse cunt didn't post it, fifty bucks in 1990 is 124$ today.

Who here would pay 124$ for Super Mario 3?

Am I seeing right? Are retards in here really arguing about some shitty 300€? I thought that 4chan is full of rich aryan firstworlder GODS. Instead You're arguing in here like some jeets on a street marketplace.

Even in this shit 2nd world eastern european shithole I can make spare 300€ by doing few hours of overtime at work which I can spend by arguing with retards on this site anyway.

I have over 8k hours on CK2, CK3, EU4, HoI4 and Stellaris. I think those games are well worth the money. At least the money I spend on these games end up back in the EU. At worst, if I feel especially stingy I can pirate 300€ worth of some asian slop.

>>2171580
You download the DLC files, and you download a steam emulator that tells steam the DLC is unlocked. This typically works by replacing the steamapi dll in the game's folder.
FYI, steam has detected emulators in the past, pic related. So it isn't totally without risk.

>>2172354
super mario bros 3 was literally the best video game on the market when it came out so it's not that crazy

>>2172354
The value of video games has plummeted in the meantime, however. The supply is so vast that, even if you filter out spam and shovelware, you still couldn't possibly play every new game even if you wanted to. And every old game is still available. All on the PC platform.
Meanwhile, if you're in the market for Super Mario 3, which other games can take up your time? Other NES games, which all cost $124 or whatever. And that's it. Unless you buy a different console. Even then the number of games is tiny and the number worth playing is minuscule. So demand outstrips supply.
But in 2025 you can make a good game and yet nobody plays it, because there's infinite supply. Forget buying, people actually check reviews before PIRATING a game now because they only have so much time to devote to each game.

>>2172579
Don't fucking try to gaslight anyone, broke bitch. You're standing in front of a gigantic pile of trash, trying to claim years of developer's lives have no value, because Kramer's Hentai Quest exists.

In culture, supply never outstrips demand. Ever. The only thing Moviepass did, besides making investors look stupid, was make people realize most movies are mid trash, and a good movie happens maybe twice a month. The games aren't any different.

>>2172584
Supply has demonstrably depressed price, I don't know what to tell you. Just look up the historical prices of steam games and notice how that change aligned with the indie boom, i.e. a flood in the supply of games. If you're saying "most games aren't good" yeah that's always been true, but even good games are cheap or 100% free now because they have to compete for time with the bottomless supply of other games.

I'm not saying demand will run out or something, like there's so many games nobody wants games anymore, as if it's a consumer good. But there's still an effect on price.
Of course there will always be whales that pay $5,000 for cosmetics as well, I guess in "culture" at large the equivalent would be a wealthy patron buying shit on a canvas for the price of a luxury car.

>>2172329
Cuck

>>2171798
Don't forget, you're here forever

>>2172587
>they have to compete for time with the bottomless supply of other games
Do they, though? Or is it still mostly big effort games, with some indie hits in between?

>Banana
>Bongo Cat
With an entirely new indie genre - trying to earn money from the Steam Market.

>not waiting until they give the DLCs for free because paradox cant bother to make an update for non-DLC users and DLC users
ngmi, ngl watching the paypigs seething about how they paid more than 20$ for every DLC was the best fun I had with paradox

>WAAAAAAAH WAAAAAAAAAH WHY DOES [thing] COSTS MONEY? GIB ME DAT FOR FREEEE!
communism lost. socialism lost. just get a job and stop wasting your money on consoomer slop like netflix and doordash and you'll magically have 15 bucks to buy a few DLCs during sales.

"""people""" who pay for paracuck games are mentally challenged subhumans

>>2172640
>stop wasting your money on consoomer slop
Noted, hence why I won't waste my money on your shitty dlcs

>>2171798
First day on the 4chans?

>>2171798
cope and seethe tranny

>>2172707
says anon posting in vst

>>2171809
>REDDIT CALLING TO THE FARAWAY BOARDS

>>2172709
guess what? you will still buy it, because the only people that complain about DLCs are tech illiterate, thirdie, and broke zoomers that just shut their gay asses up and pirate them like any other rational person would.
literal crack addicts that throw a fit because their dealer raised the price.

*just can't

I like how the go to insult is calling someone broke because they're saying the dlc's cost too much for what they offer, but practically in the same breath saying everyone pirates them anyway. It's literal subhuman crab mentality.

>>2173176
This.
I created this thread to have discussion about the value of content. But the poor-fag details it similarly, how people derail any discussion about game mechanics with "Just mod it bro"

>>2171798
k so fuck off tourist

>>2172564
>>2171580
I'm not giving you fags a link but you can find them on this very board. SmokeAPI is ass, I've been using CreamAPI for almost 10 years now with no issues. Look for the Russian site. Have spent a grand total of maybe 20 bucks on PDX games just for the base-game.

Just buy their games on sale and pirate all the DLC with CreamAPI

>>2171503
The issue is that there's a presumption you got in on the ground floor on day one, when the reality is that anyone who has never played a Paracuck game before and only buys the base game to "try it out" will have a significantly worse experience than someone who paid for all of the DLC. And asking someone to drop 300 dollars up front to have the "real" experience is fucking retarded.

>>2172354
And everything else in life was relatively cheaper, so what's your fucking point? Yes it was technically more expensive, but your groceries, house note, gas, and electricity all cost less. If I could spend 30 less dollars on groceries every trip I wouldn't give a fuck about 70 dollar games.

>>2171580
You literally just download the game off FitGirl Repack or whatever, move all the files into your Steam copy's directory, then run CreamInstaller.

>>2172220
Cope.
Everything in life is a value proposition but you had to deflect because you got reamed.

>>2173564
If you have a friend that owns the dlc you can just play with them to try out all the dlc stuff.

>>2173680
But that would require having a friend

>>2171309 (OP)
not really
Buy base came, unlock dlcs

Only big ones add anything

If anything paradox exploits autistic people by coercing them into buying map games

>>2173567
Damn. So why ARE groceries more expensive, and why is it vidya's job to accommodate someone else's gouging?

>>2173564
pay for the subscription then

>>2172096
Meme that will never get released, unfortunately because it looks way better than anything paradox could even dream of putting out.

>>2171309 (OP)
creamapi nigga

>>2173122
meds now, schizo shill
no I will not buy your trash no matter what your hallucinations tell you or how hard you beg me to

>>2171735
nta but battles were getting worse and worse from wh1 and not only because of RPG focus or strategic layer

>>2172220
they need to be as they compete against older titles

>>2171309 (OP)
Pirate the game

>>2173122
>you will still buy it
nigga pls, that is the worst sales pitch ever

>>2177561
>he doesn't know what gamers actually are like
You, sir, are a swine, and you ain't my nigga.

>>2177585
eh, whatever
I had my paradox phase long time ago, played shit ton of Eu 1 and 2
never really liked how the new titles turned on, not mention their whole dlc policy
I may play their new games if they pay me, not the other way around

>>2177596
>I had my paradox phase long time ago
>said on /vst/
>the Paradox board
Are you having a Walter White moment, where you're secretly seething they're just fine without you? Or do you think anybody believes you, when you claim you're over your ex, but never shut up about them?

>>2177603
nope, I filter all paradox threads anyway
I just come to see what going on in the thread as OP looked like he had some questions and then seen some retarded shill shitting his pants and the thread
chill out loser, get some real hobby when you grow up

>>2171309 (OP)
No.
Pirate them whole
Anyone who tells you to buy baseline and pirate rest is a clueless zoomer who can't wiggle his way into the mod forum or use non-steam mods.

>>2177641
honestly there is no single paradox game that I want to play, free or not
you will not believe but most people are not single minded autists
anyway, I just laughed at your sales pitch
>you must be brown and poor to not buy this game saar
it remind me about that hindu princeling who bought dozen RR cars because some salesman suggested that he is too poor to afford them, like this trick only work on brown niggas

>>2177596
play eu3:httt(absolutely not divine wind, that's just eu4lite) you coward

the poorfag is still bumping his cope thread?

>>2178109
nah

>>2178118
maybe one day you'll be brave enough

>>2178131
that sort of shilling don't work on me
>eat this shit or you are coward
again, I bet this work pretty well on brownoids

>>2171309 (OP)
For me? Not really. I liked CK2 back in the day and that's pretty much.

>>2171309 (OP)
So many bot shills itt. It's like bot central.

>>2171798
i invite you to the sharty

If you have double digit IQ paradox games are too easy.
They are all poorly balanced so most of the mechanics and options are traps with one optimal solution.
Their DLC model makes the games bloated and buggy. Most of their DLCs get negative or mixed reviews because of how lazy and broken they are.
Therefore, paracuck games are not worth 300 bucks.

>>2185017
the last good game and its DLC's were CK2.

>>2171309 (OP)
>>2171316
Just pirate the fucking game + all DLCs. There's literally absolutely not a single fucking reason to buy them, unless you're an MP monkey. Every cent you give to paracucks makes them convinced their subhuman DLC strategy works.

>>2171390
>Don't they have a thing where you can rent the dlc for a play through?
Imagine unironically SUBSCRIBING for a SINGLE PLAYER STRATEGY GAME.
Holy shit the zoomer subhumans are cucked.

>>2174204
Why, if I can just get all your shitty fucking DLCs and the game on top of it for free. You absolute fucking literal paracuck subhuman.

>>2171390
>rent the dlc

Buy on sale or from key stores.
You can get the base game for under 10 Euros unless it is the most recent one.
Many DLCs are also cosmetics so if we are looking at purely gamepaly expansions then you can get the "full" experience for 100 Euro which is still cheaper than modern AAA games.
The games have active modding communities so if you don't care about cheevos you may never have to buy DLCs anyway.
The DLC policy is still scummy since a lot of features that should be part of the base game are locked behind you paying for them. At least they have good multiplayer compatibility so only the host of a lobby actually needs to own DLCs.
This shit is overpriced because there isn't any actual competition in that genre. However if you like grand strategy games, you can easily sink 1000 hours into each of them.

>>2171309 (OP)
>imagine paying for a paradox game

>>2171309 (OP)
Not any game is worth more then $15 imo.

>>2185998
I can barely imagine playing them

>>2186033
And yet paracucks are ok with paying 15 bucks for a couple buttons delivered several years after release.

>>2171309 (OP)
Paracucks are unironically getting cartoonishly greedy.
I only learned this now, but the EU5 will not have Linux or Mac support because "not enought customers", despite supporting them for 20 years and Linux market share being larger than when EU4 released.
Meanwhile, with All Under Heaven, their goal is not to improve (the game that is very empty), but to maximize the customer base by attracting Asian players.

I have given PDX a lot of money in the last 10 years, but this is it. Not a dime more.

>>2186160
Okay, bye.

Huh. Is Linux and Mac support that expensive, or are they just not that into gsg's?

>>2186160
>EU5 will not have Linux or Mac support
Can't you just play them with Steam Proton? I thought the whole point of that thing is making games with no native Linux support playable on Linux.

>>2186177
EU5's linux user base is 3.12% and according to some old podcast Johan did in 2019, support cost for Linux takes "more than 1%" of the support budget.
Johan considered this "not worth it".

>>2186185
>Linux takes up more than 1% of support costs while it produces under 1% of the revenue
Welcome to capitalist efficiency.

>EU5's linux user base is 3.12%
Where'd you get this number

>>2186184
Technically, I have tried playing CK3 with Proton (despite it supporting Linux natively), and the experience was inferior to native. There were frequent crashes, and performance was worse.
Proton is generally great, but native is always better. That doesn't even account that typically to get Proton to work, you have to spend a few hours fixing stuff. Like when I played Banished on Proton, it crashed on load, and the voice didn't work, so I had to find command lines to fix them. And occasionally, content is just blocked from Proton, like I own all DLC for Democracy 3, but I can't actually access them in Proton for whatever reason.

>>2186189
>Where'd you get this number
can't find it anymore

>Welcome to capitalist efficiency.
There is more than direct revenue to consider, with linux users being more tech literate, it's fair to assume good number of modders come from there

>>2186196
>here's why a company should eat losses to cater to me
Nah. If they're tech literate, they can mod on PC, as well. Modding Paradox games isn't difficult at all. Paradox made sure of that.

>>2171309 (OP)
paradox games are not worth more than 30 dollars. DLC included. The only reason why they are still a company is because they overcharge for DLC.

paradox games get boring after a few hours. Nobody wants to play the same game for hundreds of hours in a row. You will uninstall their games and maybe play a couple hours a year when you wanna scratch the itch. But their games are extremely boring as far as strategy games go.

>>2186206
Fuck off, bootlicking cuck.

>>2187207
>Paradox
>multibillion
Damn, I wish. And Paradox does, too.

And I won't be the one fucking off, Linuxshitter. :^)

>>2171309 (OP)
>paying for Paracuck DLCs
Only absolute morons do that. You're suppose to buy the base game when it's like 50% off or more and then pirate the DLCs. Ironically Paradoxs newer games made pirating the DLCs easier and easier each time.
I can't remember but I think with CK3 you just need Creamapi installer now instead of the files seperated. And no more Launcher shenanigans.

Anyway I haven't bought a Paradox DLC in over 5 years if not more.

>>2171316
>do your part to show market forces what is worth making.
Paradox already decided to chase the chink market for some bizarre reason. Retards think more people = more sales while we still dont have a functional crusade.

>>2187382
>Retards think more people = more sales
What big brain economics is this?

>>2187391
I don't know if you are meming, but most companies chase whales. Paradox has chased whales for a very long time, which is why they are able to get away with these overpriced DLC, because it doesn't matter if most users don't buy it, if the whales do.

If I were optimistic, I'd say PDX shifting focus to the Chinese market would mean they COULD lower prices for everyone, but the truth is they won't. At best, they will offer Chinamen lower regional prices. They are going to have their cake and eat it too.

>>2187429
>whales
>300$-600$ worth of DLC
>per game
>from a company that explicitly rejects and even mocks lootboxes and similar microtransactions
I doubt you understand what a "whale" means, or why video game companies chase them. I think you should shut the fuck up.

>>2186184

don't listen to this niggerfaggot >>2186190
i've played different paradox games, all with proton
performance was fine, no crashes or weird bugs
every paradox title plays just fine on linux if you are not a retard

>>2171309 (OP)
I've got over 1000 hours in multiple paradox games
I'd say they're worth it

>>2171309 (OP)
MMO's charge at least $15 a month in subscription. Playstation and Xbox charge $5-10 to play online. I have over 5k hours in HOI 4, and the only reason I have to keep playing it is for the OWB mod which is updated. I bought Waking the Tiger on sale for the resupply of transport planes that I needed to get my Japanese troops through Philipines jungle.

I have no problem with devs selling DLC for single player games. I think V is the worst of the series, but RDR 2 was the best game arguably ever made and RDR 2 online was a better multiplayer experience than any MMO including WoW. They never even made a Mexico dlc or expansion.

I have no problem with dev's making money from their work. RDR 2 was arguably the best game ever made, but without a Mexico dlc and more it is just 1,000 hour game. It was a shame because I had more fun online, $5 a month via Playstation, than any MMO including WoW with a $15 a month subscription. If you are willing to put quarters into a Street Fighter 2 at the mall then why are you unwilling to spend some money on a game you like? You like the game enough why can't the makers get some money to make more games?

If you like something put some money on it. I bought a Hitman shirt from their store and people compliment me on it.

Without whales backing the game devs the game dies, like my RDR 2 online. It will be some my best gaming experiences but it's over because all the money gets made in GTA V.

If you are unwilling to put 25 cents into a Street Fighter 2 or Mortal Kombat arcade then you shouldn't be bitching about the games you steal. You buy the game so you can play when you want and it is cheaper and easier than going to Aladin's Castle to have fun. That's the savings.

OWB made me want to be a game dev and HOI 4 was a radical departure from RTS games. Why the fuck would you feel guilty about buying dlc for a game you like?

>>2187382
You misunderstand.

>>2171309 (OP)
I was curious if I could unlock DLC with CreamLinux, and of I couldn't despite spending solid 4 hours trying.
>ERROR: ld.so: object '/tmp/lib32Creamlinux.so' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded (wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS32): ignored.
>ERROR: ld.so: object '/tmp/lib64Creamlinux.so' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded (wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64): ignored.
>ERROR: ld.so: object '/tmp/libsteam_api.so' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded (wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64): ignored.

>>2171309 (OP)
No, every normal person buys the base game for steam workshop access and then pirates the dlcs

>>2171309 (OP)
Paradox games are bad strategy games that are not even worth your time to play, let alone the $300 for all DLC.
Brain-damaged chuds enjoy the Paradox Game because it is a billions-must-die simulator. The game itself is little more complicated than Cookie Clicker.

>>2171309 (OP)
>change your steam reigon to Kazakhstan
>get a permanent 50% discount on everything
simple as

>>2171309 (OP)
i just buy the base game off sale for 10, mostly for convenience, and pirate the dlc

For modern Paradox games (last ten years let’s say), there’s an inverted yield curve while the base game is worth it, and then the first few DLCs are worth it too, but with diminishing returns, such that after a few years the DLCs are making the game worse and your best move is to just roll back the game to the last patch you liked and ignore everything after. They don’t know how to stop bloating their games to death.

>>2197021
My favourite CK2 mod involved yeeting most of Asia into the abyss. Why they're making the same mistake I don't know.

>>2196382
you can't change your steam region anymore, it automatically changes it if you have bank account from that country

>>2187734
this used to be true until ck3 & vic3. i don't know what changed, but the newer engine runs like absolute shit on proton. last time i tried playing ck3 with friends, it just froze my whole pc and i had to hard restart to close it. i ended up playing it in a gpu passthrough virtual machine and it played like shit, but playable shit. of course the games themselves are barely playable, so that didnt last very long before i tapped out.

buy base game / pirate DLC. Works flawlessly for every paradox game.
>just pirate the base game!
Buying it is worth it for the steam workshop