Thread 2188695

Backpedal, FAST!

How are we feeling about new civs and leaders?

>>2188709
>we
are feeling dumb, gay and woke :D

>>2188695 (OP)
Too little, too late.
>>2188709
Standard behavior by firaxis, one male leader means one female leader, no matter how obscure and unimportant, be added.

>>2188695 (OP)
>FAST!
Isn't this shit like 2 years old now?

>>2188796
no.

>>2188709
>stalin added
>lenin added
>mao added
>some random literally who go-girl woman "ruler" (probably ruled for grand total of 3 months in the period between her king husband died and his son came back to the capital) added
>STILL not hitler

Just wake me up when Civ 8 comes out.

>>2188845
Probably never

>>2188845
Don't get your hopes up, at all.
Even if Firaxis isn't shut down, which is very much in the cards because it's been on thin ice for a while since the Marvels game failed, then Civ8 would just be more of the same. This is what Civ is now.

>>2188695 (OP)
Woah, check it out guys! A NEW FEATURE FOR CIV7!

>>2188845
>Civ 8
Can't wait for civ switching every 5 turns and 85% of the leaders being procedurally generated black women

>>2188845
>here lies anon

>>2188709
The pirate culture in Humankind felt like a pleasant surprise when I noticed it but here it feels… pretentious. I guess because it’s painfully obvious that they’re copying their homework at this point, but somehow managing to implement all of these stolen features in even worse ways.

Iceland sounds cool though.

>>2188709
>Muslim woman leader
Lmao they do absolutely no market research for this shit

>>2188764
>one male leader means one female leader, no matter how obscure and unimportant, be added.
The hoe on the right was more historically relevant than the terror of the Carolinas meme on the right thoughbeit.

>>2189061
On the left*, goddamn it

>>2188695 (OP)
>"one of the most requested features since launch" is something that was arleady a thing since Civ1
IDGI, was Humankind really this much of a threat for them to copy it 1:1?

>>2188695 (OP)
They are just going to sell back to you the features of civ 6. Don't buy it and ignore. I bought a physical for $20 and i feel ripped off one of the biggest disappointments of all time.

>>2189056
They already had all this stuff made before the game was released.

>>2188695 (OP)
Just let it die.

>>2188856
>>2188845
I want a game that's mechanics-wise Call to Power 3 with some parts of Alpha Centauri added to it (like 3-D terraforming and units that can be customized with extra abilities for example).

>>2189041
t. unironic Harriet Tubman simp

>>2189041
>don't recognize Tubman as a George Washington substitute
>neonazi
Every single thread

>>2189139
>likes Hitler
>is a neonazi
that's how it works, indeed.

>>2189108
I think at the time they thought it was even though it totally wasn’t. But now humankind is unironically making a bit of a comeback now that Sega is out of the picture and Civ7 is such a miserable flop.

>>2189139
Tubman would have never been a historically significant figure if it wasn’t for the white men around her.

>>2188831
Pulled up the wiki. This is essentially it, but it was a number of years and then she became a pirate.

>>2189060
>Never heard of the reign of women period in the Ottoman Empire
Historylet

>>2189259
>anon mentions market research
>(you) start talking about historical accuracy
midwit

>>2189060
It's not that they don't do market research, it's just that you are not the market. ESG investment funds are.

>>2189138
>I want a game that's mechanics-wise Call to Power 3 with some parts of Alpha Centauri added to it (like 3-D terraforming and units that can be customized with extra abilities for example).
You'll never get that because most vidya is made for consoles now. It used to be strategy and city builders were safe, but not anymore.
Enjoy your watered down slop.

>>2188709
Are natural wonders a thing in that game or are you constructing the great blue hole? Also the Ottomans is the only civ here worth being a civ.

>>2189473
It's two natural wonders and two regular wonders.

>>2189061
Never heard of her or her town. I've heard of Blackbeard many times.

What's the point? The game was made from the ground up to feature the shitty civ switching mechanic nobody wanted, just adding it now is going to make the game even more half assed and broken.

>>2189716
The point is they can trick maybe 5,000 more people to give them money. You're right, it wont fix the game or come close to doing so.

>>2188709
>I've read that as "great butt hole" on first glance

>>2189688
So? I said historically relevant, it would be like saying that shitty Tutankhamun is more deserving of a Civ character than fucking Ramses II just because the first one is significantly more famous.

>>2188695 (OP)
still not buying it

>>2189108
It's so strange to imagine what goes on at the top there.
Like is whoever decides what they're doing so creatively bankrupt he just looks at other modern 4x and tells the lead dev "do that".

>>2189716
Honestly I think they could've made the mechanic it work, but they need like hundreds of more civs, and a lot of requirements for every civ change, like akin to eu4 forming nations or the civ4 Rhye's mod.
Like you can only become America in the modern era, if you have cities on another continent, and if you pick America you only get to keep the cities on your new continent, your old cities on your starting continent becomes a new civ.
Would work great if america had a powerful immigration+brain drain mechanic, just siphoning good pops from the old country.

>>2188709
>>2189056
How about Tonga? I feel like it's one of these civ that no one expected or asked for to see in Civilization, but I guess if they really wanted another Oceania nation it's not the worst option.
Ottomans are no-brainier of course.

>>2189060
Their target demographic of liberal white people love that sort of thing.

>>2188695 (OP)
>most requested feature

Hitler as a playable leader or no buy
>>2188709
Fucking Blackbeard got in before Hitler ahaha wtf

This series is wrecked

>>2189928
No, because I've heard of both of those people. This woman did nothing of note other than marry a powerful man and inherit what he had earned.

>>2188695 (OP)
There is simply no way this turns out well. Like it or not the entire meat of the game is designed around switching civs to get different bonuses per era, playing as a single one with no bonuses for 2/3rds of the game is just miserable.

>>2190157
>wah-wah if it isn't something I know it doesn't matter!
Btw, Tut did nothing of note besides being a figurehead for the priesthood orders whose powers had been suppressed by Akhenaten then -conveniently- dying at 18. At least the hoe held power on her own right for decades until being couped.

>>2188695 (OP)
I forgot this game exists.

>>2190228
Look bud, it is VERY cool you are Moroccan and they taught who she was in your history class. For the rest of the world she is less important than harriet tubman. Neither belong in this game.

>>2188709
I like the bird.

>>2190239
>if you aren't a pop history normie then you must be literally african
Anything else, americlap?

>>2190239
Wait, I lost the plot, my original point was that Blackbeard is even less relevant than the moroccan pirate (female).

>>2188709
>Copy humankind
>now copy Humankinds Pirate culture
The fuck? Are they just lazy or creatively broken?

>>2188831
hitler was a loser tho

>>2188695 (OP)
>fast

>>2190555
his views have been validated by subsequent events

>>2190595
the events that he caused

>>2190596
name 3

>>2190606
bleeding off Europe
decolonization of european colonial powers
rise usa to global hegemony
destruction of germany

>>2190609
>dead for 25 years
>use agarthan 5th-dimensional gay-waves to make your enemies submit to the untermench and commit sudoku by actually giving the reigns to the people you warned against
heh, nothing personelle, aryans

>>2190031
It’s cool, but I think we specifically had Tonga in one of the older titles. We’ve almost always had Polynesians in every title so it’s not as wowing to me as Iceland.

>>2189041
I look like this.

>>2190543
Both

Still cannot fucking believe they copied humankind after humankind turned out to be a complete flop
I followed humankinds development and honestly didn’t mind the changing civs - that was pretty much the whole selling point of the game? But I played for a few hours on release and it was just a watered down soulless buggy mess
How the fuck did they think copying it would help anything

>>2190963
I feel like Im the only guy on this planet who unironically liked Humankind, atleast after they patched up the worst parts

>>2188695 (OP)
Yeah, I thought they were going to do just that. Well, at least it's an improvement but still not buying.

>>2190963
This kind of mechanic only works in narrative-based games.
Like how they do with games that have multiple protagonists over the same story, following different points of view around the same conflict. That would work with civ switching. Not anything like what both Humankind and Civ7 did.

>>2191181
Civ vii probably would be very good if they stole combat and the neolithic age from humankind instead of what they did.

>>2191539
At that point why not just play Humankind?

>>2190963
>How the fuck did they think copying it would help anything
I wouldn't be surprised if Humankind devs didn't worm their way into Firaxis as mandatory diversity hires
working on a game as pozzed as Humankind is like a super resume in this gay retarded industry

>>2189108
It's not like as if they haven't been copying Amplitude's homework for a while, it's just the first time it's noticeably backfired. Whenever a company gets captured by corporate-types the focus shifts from making good products to tricking people, since that's all they know. In this case, they "know" they're the default choice and have captured the market. Taking market share by copying the nearest competitor, no matter how small, becomes the attractive option. After all, if two games are the same, why would a 4X-consumer choose the non-default option? Of course, the idea that people actually have a choice and will simply not buy your game if it's too shit never crosses their mind.

>>2192117
Amplitude was at least popular, and the mechanic was also kind of a natural evolution, like they could've made that without copying it, so it made a lot more sense to me.

>>2190259
Your point is wrong. Blackbeard has influenced dozens of popular stories and the idea of piracy in general. He is by default infinitely more relevant than somebody nobody has ever heard of.

>>2190252
I'm Danish, try again thirdie.

>>2190609
France did that
UK did that
UK did that
Kaiser did that

>>2189041
>2020 meme
/pol/ is now basically leftypol and /vst/ is one of /pol/'s last standing lebensraum on this site, oddly enough.

>>2192428
>Dane telling anyone what is and isn't influential and significant
Lidt ironisk, er det ikke?

>>2190963
Dev cycles are long, they probably copied it before Humankind flopped and couldn't pivot afterwards due to sunk cost.

>>2192428
>muh pop culture
I guess niggas like Skorzeny (who influenced villains like Blofeld & Fearless Leader) are more relevant than the last 700 years or so of your shitty military history then.

>>2188709
What a fucking joke

>>2188695 (OP)
>>2188709
they are never going to turn this pile of shit around
either start working on civ 8 or close the studio

>>2191181
I didn’t try humankind until maybe a month ago and I think it’s incredibly fun and have no real issues with jt, especially given the alternatives. I never really could enjoy civ6 as much as 5 and 3 was actually my favorite. I won’t go anywhere near 7. I understand now that Sega is out of the picture Amplitude has been giving Humankind some decent support and updates.

>>2192789
The way I see it I have no issue with Humankind branching out and trying different things, particularly since it was marketed that way and never trying to have any real historicity or continuity. It also doesn’t have the weight of an entire series worth of expectations behind it.

At the same time, I want civ to keep being civ. I don’t want it to also be humankind. Idk why some people can’t wrap their heads around these two things not being mutually exclusive.

>>2191549
Civ looks prettier

>>2192978
That’s literally the only thing Civ7 has going for itself, and unfortunately it’s spoiled by the very ugly and confused UI art design.

Humankind is much more pleasing to look at than the mobile game rainbow mess that is Civ6.

>>2190963
the funny thing is that humankind still let you continue as a culture when you advanced so they took the mechanic and made it worse for civ7

>>2192451
Delicious cope

>>2190963
I will always believe the game was rushed out almost a year early cause Firaxis needed to make money after their other games flopped hard. So they never got a real chance to change their mind on the civ switching and the awful era system. In terms of gameplay they got too focused on people not finishing many games and tried to build the game around people actually playing to the end of the timeline. Which if you talked to anybody that plays civ games never found it much of an issue to start over.

So TLDR in my opinion they had a very short dev time, had to pick that road and stick with it cause the empty suits who need to see the line go up wouldn't give them the time to reverse course and just had to double down on it even after all the content creators who got to play it early were sending them a bunch of red flags.

>>2188709
>great blue hole
midna bros...

>>2190041
liberal white plays fortnite.

>>2197618
I agree that the idea of people not finishing games was a weird thing to focus on. But they had 8 years between Civ6 and Civ7. They had plenty of time.

>>2188709
I like the blackbeard

>>2194007
Civ peaked aesthetically with 5.
Everything after has been a downgrade.

>>2190963
>How the fuck did they think copying it would help anything
They didnt, the goal was always to destroy Civ series with woke shit.
Once you realize these people want only to destroy shit out of sheer hatred for Whites, a lot of their deeds and moves starts to make absolute sense.

>>2189041
Every accusation is a projection, can you all trannies go back to hell already

>>2202103
You can have harriet tubman as a leader without civ switching or leaders being seperate to the playable country anon. But no I'm sure you're right and the "woke mob" wants to destroy everything you enjoy in the most roundabout and inefficient way possible.

>>2202117
Civ switching pushes the idea that cultures are essentially replaceable, non unique and can easily be subsitituted one by the other.
The very essence of marxism these anti White faggots push every day. Its not about Harriet Tubman, its about the idea that country and its culture can be replaced by some other one without problems and its not a big deal aka exactly what they do to Europe, see the "new swedes" articles, the "im muslim and still british" bullshit etc.
Its not that deep senpai, they hate you with every fiber of their being and work every day to erase you, your ancestors and your race from history.

>>2202122
Anon the egyptians of today are not the same as the egyptians of 4000 bc. That's just a fact.

>>2202127
Yeah that is why we recognize them as two different things.
Something these fucks DONT do and will claim Sven, the blue eyed, blonde haired 6'7 man whose ancestors lived in Sweden since neolithic times is the same Swede as Mahmood ibn Turdworlder, manlet brown somali who jumped of the ship 2 weeks ago.
Or even worse, they increasingly claim Whites have no claim on Europe because we werent here since the formation of the continents, something they never extend to all the brownoid shits they love so much.

>>2189061
a very, very low bar

>>2202184
Do you understand the difference between nationality and ethnicity?
A second generation swede and a 20th generation swede are the same, while ethnically they are different.

>>2202213
No. Some brown manlet will never be Swede no matter how much mental gymnastics you do, the same way this Swede will never be ethiopian or somalli. You faggots are just butthurt because no one wants to claim being somali becuase its embarassing.
Blood and Soil.

>>2202110
>copies what the people he hates say
lmao you're a faggot

>>2188709
>Pirate Republic
A fucking meme. Bet you dollars to donuts, it'll be some Hollywood-tier shit in terms of historical accuracy. Pirates would be better represented by naval raider units like they have been in past games. It's not a proper civilization in the slightest. Making a proper pirate or nautical civilization can be done and I'd point to Alpha Centauri for that. The sci-fi setting let them create a group that embodied the spirit well and it's a very unique and fun experience to play as a faction that mainly builds in water tiles. Civ can't replicate this specifically, but if you want a faction that's aggressive and sea oriented there are so many other historical entities to choose from.

>>2188831
Hitlers brand of socialism isn't allowed.

>>2202600
at least it looks and sounds fun unlike le negress woman

>>2189041
this is me

>>2202600
>Pirates would be better represented by naval raider units like they have been in past games.
I think the last time it was done the fun way is Civ 1 and 2. Random sea raiding parties trying to capture cities and spam more barbarians.

>>2202061
Yes

>>2202117
>But no I'm sure you're right and the "woke mob" wants to destroy everything you enjoy in the most roundabout and inefficient way possible.

Yes

Have you not been paying attention for the last 10 years?

>>2202213
lol no

>>2202600
They could just make it a proper government type, but that concept got butchered to all hell in the last game so that ain’t gonna happen either.

>>2202828
True, it's silly but then again a lot of things in Civ are silly. I just think that there could be a better marriage between fun and historical accuracy.

>>2203011
That sounds fun too.

>>2203254
Having it be a government type would be a good way to represent it too. If you look at SMAC they partly do that with the modifiers they get.
https://civilization.fandom.com/wiki/Nautilus_Pirates_(SMAC)
Less growth and some waste, but you get strong incentives to dominate the seas. You could do something like it for Civ with being able to gain yields others couldn't, or perhaps abilities to siphon trade routes within a certain range of cities. And if you did that you wouldn't just be able to represent the historical sea pirates from the golden age but also other raiders and corsairs, both at land and sea.

All things considered though I guess it's not the worst thing they've done. If we're going from Tubman to playing as slightly romanticized pirates it's clear that all hope isn't lost - just most of it, but still.

>>2190015
it's maximizing profit basing on le heckin charts and statistics, this maths culture is what's destroying game industry, even more than dei hires. there are probably even more creative ideas today than were ever before, but there is simply no space to implement them as unprecedented method is too risky on paper and faggots at the top that dont give a fuck about games are not willing to try new things out. That's the fate of any branch and any industry that becomes too mainstream and too profitable.

>>2191549
Because constantly switching to unrelated civs and the fame system is obnoxious. I generally prefer Civ or at least have in the past but the neolithic would fix the restart problem because you'd get to explore the map before settling (why colonization is the best civ game) and humankind's combat is great while civs is nothing special.

>>2202127
>Anon the egyptians of today are not the same as the egyptians of 4000 bc. That's just a fact.
The Egyptians today are direct descendants of ancient Egyptians. To say they aren't is retarded and basically outs you as an afro-centrist or nordicist. Their culture has evolved like everywhere but that's better reflected in the normal civ progression of changing techs, religions, governments etc or just getting conquered than completely replacing them with the Songhay or Ottomans or something.

>>2216259
Huh. I didn’t know the ancient Egyptians were Arabs. You fucking idiot.

>>2189061
Really wish they’d make a Carolina’s civilization
Maybe with Andrew Jackson or Francis Marion as leader
Special bonus for tobacco and pigs

If not, just let us have the CSA

>>2202213
Hahaha
This dude for real with this shit?

This dude’s a Zimbabwean by the way

>>2216480
Oh you're right! All Mexicans must be Spaniards because they speak Spanish too and the French are all Romans because they speak a Latin language. So what do you think happened to the Egyptians? A few thousand Arabs from a desert peninsula with 0 year round rivers somehow manage to ethnically replace one of the most populated and agriculture intense regions in the world? And not only Egypt but all of the Middle East, North Africa, oh and Sicily and Spain too. The Arabs didn't magically replace everyone these regions, the locals just adopted the Arabic language over time.

>>2217019
The worst part is you’re arrogant in your ignorance. Please read a book, and please stop thinking that ethnicity and nationality are interchangeable pieces.

>>2216617
They’ll never give us the CSA although that would be cool as fuck.

It is a wonder to me though that we haven’t gotten Israel yet either desu.

>>2217900
I’ve never considered that, and it does seem odd to me in retrospect
Maybe they don’t want to give off any sort of “conquering the globe” vibes, since they’re victims and received their civ based solely on the graciousness of others

>The Jew cries out as it razes your quarry

>>2189380
state-directed investment is generally considered the opposite of the market

>>2217894
>I'm more smawter you need to wead more books.
Lmao cope and seethe.

>>2217019
>retard missing the point this much

>>2188695 (OP)
Nothing exists past Civ5 and even then, I would rather play EU.

>>2190252
Shut the fuck up you sub saharan cunt. Women do not matter today in politics, let alone 600 years ago. Any attempt to shill them is just faking history. You are a Berber trying to desperately cling to any historical relevance.

>>2188695 (OP)
Has anyone that played the game correct me on this? It seems that they went too hard on making everyone balanced that no civ seems outstanding and no leader seems good. Like in 5 you have Korea and Babylon giving you a lot of science, in 6 you have Byzantium being the best at domination, Seondeok Korea being amazing and the almost free settler you get with Yongle. I don't feel there has been any "meta" to the game, too much balancing between eras that doesn't feel that you're being rewarded for playing well or punished for playing bad

>>2220294
we told you a thousand times, it's globohomo slop. Leaders don't really matter, they're just an excuse to put black women in leader positions and civ bonsues have been gutted. You only play 1/3 the game as any civ so you can't embrace or build into a civ so they just made it not matter.

>>2202213
These niggers think that Polish people went extinct every time they got partitioned and that each new Poland was just a bunch of Russians and Germans larping.

>>2191549
FIDS system suck

>>2217900
>It is a wonder to me though that we haven’t gotten Israel yet either desu.
implying they allow goys to fight against or best israel even in games

>>2202600
The Dutch and the Ottomans got it right back in Civ 5.