Thread 2203055

>A Paradox game that's actually really good right at launch
Holy shit how do they managed to do it, after the disasters CK3 and Vichy III still are?

>>2203055 (OP)
Johan autism

>>2203055 (OP)
It's a new method of developing games. You use your massive autistic fanbase to do all the work for you and then you sell it back to them

>>2203066
Fuck it, if it turns my ideas into games, I'll pay to be an idea guy.

>>2203055 (OP)
>actually really good right at launch
The game is not out yet. I do not expect this to be true. It's going to be buggy as shit and everyone is going to find something wrong with it after their first couple of playthroughs. Same happened with CK3. Everyone thought that was great, then most people realised how shallow it was and stopped playing it.

>>2203055 (OP)
We've had sponsored reviews saying it's very unstable, AI can't play the game and that all the complexity is only surface level.

>ck3 a disaster at lunch
Actually ck3 was mainstream at lunch

>>2203275
>that all the complexity is only surface level.
It seems quite deep. It's a chimera of Imperator and vicky on steroids so there is no way it will be shallower than the avg paradox game.

>>2203055 (OP)
if it's so good at launch how come they've already announced a huge day patch fixing a ton of issues for tomorrow

I find it amusing how there's all these posters that totally aren't going to play the game for thousands of hours, are totally certain it's going to be horrible before it comes out, and totally don't care at all, but also totally want you to know the aforementioned.

>>2203358
>seems
...yeah...that's the keyword...

>>2203426
It's almost as if there are a lot of people who have been burnt by Paradox launches before.

>>2203290
Yea for like, 3-4 days? Then everyone saw it was barebone and badly optimized, and up to this very day still missing core features from CK2

What does the deluxe version give you? A 20% discount on three future dlc?

>>2203453
>It's almost as if
Stopped reading here, opinion discarded. Nothing insightful ever follows these words.

>>2203488
it gives you 8 in-game models for big fancy buildings like the Colosseum.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkzCLt2_miE
it's buggy and has a shit UI (not aesthetically just genuinely shit in terms of usability), performance is not great.

actual mechanics are good but it needs like 20 bug fixes and patches

basically wait a month or two

>>2203055 (OP)
How is the performance on a 4gb ram laptop

>>2203055 (OP)
Its fucking awful though, why are you lying? the UI is ugly, not intuitive and not informative all at the same, unplayable at current stage

>>2204703
>Only problem is the UI
So something that can be learned, not a fundamental issue with the game

>>2203055 (OP)
>A Paradox game that's actually really good right at launch
why does paradox pay a guy to shill their "games" on this board and to belittle anyone who rightly points out that anything made by paradox is utter garbage

>>2205531
yes, making a good game UI can be learned
shit UI is a fundamental issue with the game

>>2206000
its something that can be changed with updates, tying every part of the game through a simple mana system is something you can't fix as was obvious with eu4.

>>2203055 (OP)
>Holy shit how do they managed to do it
The game has been mostly finished for almost half a year with content creators getting access and giving feedback. If they'd released it 6 months ago due to pressure from the suits to get it out as quickly as possible it probably would have been full of problems. Wouldn't be surprised if Johan told the suits to fuck off.

>>2206126
johan is a shareholder of pdx so he probably pushed to send it out in it's half baked state knowing that its just good enough for everyone to take the beatings until dlc fixes everything

Not playing this shit again until they fix the rancid dogshit UI and ugly 3d models

>>2203055 (OP)
>UI
Yea I don't think so.

>>2203055 (OP)
>Holy shit how do they managed to do it
They didn't, game's shit.

It's kino

The game has more mechanical depth at launch than CK3 does after 5 fucking years. Maybe Retardadox has the capacity to learn after all

>have some leftover levies from a war that I was autocalled into
>can't start a war unless I disband the levies
NIGGA IT'S PRECISELY BECAUSE I HAVE LEVIES THAT I WANT TO START A WAR AAAAAAAAAAAAAHHH

Pic unrelated?

How come every opm can afford all those buildings, how can I as a OPM can do the same?

$59.99 for a beta test shit game with mana? no thanks. let me know when there's a decent torrent though

>>2206373
>game gets uploaded to the page I always use for pirating shit
>virus detected according to virus total

>>2203055 (OP)
>boot the game up
>start as Naples
>no idea what to do first
Ah yes, it really as a new paradox game. Can't wait till my retarded self can finally grasp it. Been looking forward to this all day kek

>>2206386
Automate trade, then build buildings and increase rg's to win

What a shit fucking game. It's too bad the developers of Magnus Mundi turned out to be retarded. That would have been a good game. Maybe. Once again, it seems like I will just keep playing EU3.

How do I get my peasants to promote to laborers?

is there any reason to not grant every request for this? It just seems like free money

>>2206379
Yeah this game doesn't feel deep at all, there's just so many more fucking buttons and options and shit
Mana is unironically better

>>2206489
you can check what the landgraviate does

>>2206482
Build buildings that will hire laborers. I think they will not promote if there are no jobs for them in the next class in that location

>>2206501
You are actually just not smart enough. It is deeper than either EU4 or Imperator and it's not even close

>>2206505
I don't see any downside for me
so I guess it's just free money

>>2206519
That's like saying EU4 trade is deep
Sure, but I don't have to interact with it and easily win

>>2206526
Yeah if you use the automation training wheels for everything IE let the AI play the game for you

>>2206526
the automation button is there so you dont get filtered by the complexity

Is there a way to prevent the big nation tooltip thing from popping up just by you mousing over the country? Fucking annoying as fuck

>>2206594

Settings

>>2206635
Oh thank fuck, didn't immediately find it the first time, thanks

Why did they make the game take up so much resources?

>>2206658
vicky 3 economic autism + eu4 1 million countries autism +ck2 3d model and personalities autism
autism cubed

>>2206666
It's a shame that you can't play it on a shitty laptop like when traveling or whatever.

>>2206658
vs EU4

>>2206658
Runs shockingly well on my M4 Mac

>>2206707
Still a huge RAM requirement though.

>>2206658

My spec:

Radeon RX 5500 XT 4GB
I5 12400
16GB RAM
good SSD

Anyone with a similar config can let me know if its running well? The processor is above the minimun requirements but the GPU and ram are lacking, i'am afraid to buy it

>>2206710
Yea, honestly you could get away with 16gb of ram if the rest of your specs are up to par (a decent GPU with 8gb vram). But the days of running Grand Strategy games from a shitass 2012 laptop are over

>>2206726
If you don't care about the new 3D modeled map, and are fine with sticking to the old EU4 style map, then those specs should be good. Otherwise, that is not going to be enough anon. I have a MBP 2019 16 inch with similar specs, even down to the GPU with an older i9 and that shit crashes hard if I turn on the 3D map.

>>2206538
>>2206543
You don't have to automate anything, the game is going to be "click best button" for 100 fucking buttons and that's it
There being more buttons doesn't make the game more complex

>>2206732
im curious how you would make a game more complex without doing that

>Trade tutorial
>We recommend you keep this automated until you have more experience with the game
So can any of you guys tell me how to actually curb the market?

>>2206737
Look at Vicky 2, there is far more depth without there being nearly as many choices and options
Paradox games as of late are the epitome of "wide as an ocean, shallow as a puddle".
I could totally be wrong but this game just feels too easy, maybe some nations are railroaded into being fucked, but the average nation has easy steps (that are always more or less the same) to take to reach powerhouse status. Which, granted, is just like EU4.
But to pretend this is super fucking complicated and complex when it's just bloated in terms of options is silly.

>>2206746
What exactly makes Vic2 deep without needing choices?

>>2206754
I can press the epic grossgermanium button and own the libs

>>2203055 (OP)
The UI is such a piece of shit.

So, uh, is there really only one start date

Is there no monarch power in EU5?

like how the fuck can georgia a kingdom of this size and population not field 100 fucking soldier in 3 years
i dont think this game is for me even with the more realistic army sizes at least could fucking field an army from the get go and start attacking shit and not have to wait to build a fucking recruiting stand only in the capital and then wait a year to establish a standing army of 100 men equipped with clubs

i might genuinely be too retarded for this style of game

Buildings are overwhelming me.

>>2206844
Shirvan declared war on me with ... 0 armies and all my vassals instantly popped out 1k armies?
Are these all mercenaries or something? I am at a fucking loss really

>>2206746
sounds like you're just talking about how incompetent the AI is. For example if you play novgorod you rely on demand for fur in europe, when westoids eventually colonize canada they will end your monopoly on the fur trade and fuck your economy. All the mechanics are in place to do this the AI is just too lobotomized to realize the potential of the simulation. Another example would be the fall of venice when portugal makes their way to india, making the silk road obsolete but the portuguese AI is too retarded to do that.

How the fuck can I "gain production goods" with holland.

Been staring at importing extra wood and fiber, I maxed out paper production, they're all set to fiber+wood = paper.

Is the mission bugged?

it's genuinely so fucking good. I've been playing all day and just getting into the micro as brandenburg as much as possible and immersing. the steam threads about goi4 niggers complaining about how complex it is is the cherry on top.

like for real I will genuinely be playing this for the next decade. bravo johan

>>2206707
are you running it through crossover or something?

>>2206858
yeah there needs to be a strong economic pressure that drives what the ai does instead of random blobbing against neighboring countries.

I think Paradox could do better with optimization, I have a Ryzen 7 5800x and at 5 speed it goes far too slow and the cpu usage doesn't leaves 40%

>>2206860
You need to make paper. Build the "Papermaster's Guild" or whatever it's called

>>2206791
unfortunately yes and it's a pretty shitty start date unless you like playing as England or France

>>2206858
this is why we need some railroading, i dont think doing this organically is possible

>>2206868
>rank 303
do you even build bro?

>>2206844
>>2206857
Levies... Most countries don't have a standing army in 1337. When you go to war you raise up the able bodied men from your pops. The number of levies you raise depend on the population and how much control you have in each location. Different pops give different types of levies, like the nobles will usually send some knight cavalry. Eventually you'll be able to field professional armies.

>>2206884
>this is why we need some railroading, i dont think doing this organically is possible
*laughs in EU2 AGCEEP*

>>2206895
>a bunch of events
so railroading

>>2206878
I've maxd out these buildings.

>>2206894
I was just fucking confused
my EU4 brain is like
>mercenaries bad
so i tried to build my own army and since everyone else had no army i thought this is the intended way, i noticed it too on the next war i declared and rallyed the levies
pretty sure the button was greyed out during peace time?
i closed the game now because im about to go to bed so i cant check or if my retarded ass made it up

I did the ottoman tutorial and they didnt say a thing about levies

>>2206903
Do they have Burghers working in them and are they making paper? If a building isn't profitable then it won't employ workers. You can subsidize it Vicky 3 style to force it.

>>2206915
Yeah -- max peeps, they're making a profit, I guess I just bugged it out I can't progress.

>>2206890
I've just been figuring out how shit works properly. I haven't actually unpaused lmao

>>2206909
>pretty sure the button was greyed out during peace time?
Yeah I think that's right, you can only raise levies in wartime. Your standing armies are just always raised.
It's borrowing a lot from Imperator: Rome with the military system, but more fleshed out

If I automate trade but my buildings and pops are still missing inputs, what should I do? Should I build more marketplaces so they can buy those goods or should I expand RGOs to produce more of those goods?

>>2206924
I'm pretty convinced that the best economic thing you can do early game is to expand rgos nonstop.

Wow this is complex

>>2206924
Crash prices of input RGOs (lumber, wool, clay, stone) so that production goods (silk, masonry, books) have cheaper maintenance and thus more profits. It also means that your pops are spending less on food and more on other stuff which also increases your tax income. You can also export shit of course.

>>2206902
Yes.

>>2203055 (OP)
They did, game's good.
The UI is amazing.

>>2206971
UI is just okay, nothing special. Game is good though, I'm pleasantly surprised it isn't dogshit

>game runs at like 5 years an hour
Yep, I need to upgrade my computer.

>>2206707
That's cheating, ARM CPUs run Paradox games way better than ciscshit.

>>2203558
You're no older than 6 or 7 so I understand your lack of skepticism

This game is autism incarnate.

10/10

>>2206990
So true! We're so hecking like autistic and like smart y'all zomg! *automates everything*

>>2206996

If you are automating everything you are a retard.
Learn to trade

Johan... I kneel.

>>2207006
How hard is it when you're in control of multiple markets? I could see why, once you're a proper colonial empire, you'd want to just automate a lot of it.

Is there a music box for this? I want to skip some songs.

>>2207006
>If you are automating everything you are a retard.
I can't believe these morons on the steam forums

>i7-14700k
>5070
>32gb ram
over/under 30fps?

But why do ahistorical formable disable achievements? It's not like they add any unique tech or anything besides an aesthetic change

>>2206501
>Mana is unironically better
kill yourself

>>2206983
Make sure to change your thermal paste every 4-5 years.

>>2206868
and by next decade i mean the next week so i can flaunt my epic gamer cred over how epicly complex it looks then never touch this shallow garbage again

>>2207026
According to a reddit comment, that's going to be patched in a thursday patch

Why does my fucking market buy 800 food every few months.

>>2207072
Because you're not automating enough. The systems weren't designed for player input.

>>2203066
Did they take a lot of inspiration from mods?
>t. Never played the EU series.

>>2207024
fps isn't a problem but your fans will be loudish

>>2207072

You need to grow food you dumbass

>>2203055 (OP)
They didn't.

>>2207072
>plays in the gibsmedat kfc mayne region
>his pops are asking for gibsdeydats kfcs
Why are you surprised?

>Start Holland game
>Build a couple market places
>Get claims on Frisia via parliament
>Declare a war against Frisia
>Take all the land
>Smallpox and black plague hit everyone in country dead, no one to serve as a minister
1000 gold in debt and losing 10 every month
>Ruler dies from plague and starts hook and cod war, constatnt events to lose money
Yeah I dunno if this is really the game for me

It's kinda wild you can't play in ironman and also receive tutorials. I do think automating the budget was a huge trap as I was low on all the various mana points and low on estate stability for most of it. It's also hard knowing what buildings are actually decent to build and an order to do so in. I think next game I'll try alternating a market and an rgo back and forth until a semi stable economy is formed

So...
If I have a surplus of wool as England is it better to process it straight into fine cloth or should I first turn it into cloth and then into fine cloth?

>>2207113
It. Is. NOT. Mana. Fuck yourself.

>>2207110
>>2207105

I know in general but tell me where im losing an extra 575 food from

>>2207121
are you alone in the market or what?

Boomer here. Something I missed since EU2 is historical rulers, I hated having random generic rulers after the start date historical rulers died. Is there any sort of option to have historical rulers back?

>>2207120
All resources are mana besides the trade goods. Just because you can spend gold to generate it doesn't make it not mana

>>2207121
its in stockpile

>>2207123

theres a bunch of negro OPMs and a few province sized people

>>2203055 (OP)
Because Johan is king

>>2207072
This game is already kino, it's gonna be legendary GOAT status when some random unpaid modder remakes the UI

The ui sucks and is clearly designed with a console port in mind

I have no idea what I'm doing. Do I just increase control -> integrate -> assimilate to get cores on conquered territories? Seems rather slow...

>>2207154
designed to knee cap blobbers. The other solution is to release vassals and let them do that then intergrate them later

>>2207157
can you actually design your vassals?

>>2207157
Yea they don't really like blobbers in this game.

>>2207157
I did that but it released the entire province, which I started with and was cored, when I just wanted to release one location from it and merge it with another location. It's a struggle.

>>2207121
>oh shit nigga, my kfc is running low and I havent worked all year. time to snatch sum gimmedat from that sucker over there

>>2203275
People just want larp as countries and the stimulation
Balance and AI are afterthoughts

>>2207160
You can release custom vassals from the diplomacy tap. Awful ui desu, dunno why nation formation and nation release aren't in the same area of the ui

>>2207163
I feel like the insane time scale of the action is going to be the biggest sticking point. Like having to do those action is fine but each takes like 20 to 40ish years or so

They need to put a cool down on PU voting for laws. Every year my PU kept voting to change federalization laws even after a vote JUST finished

>you want to remove Nobility privileges?
>that'll be 200 stability +tip

>>2207134
then why do you think "you" are losing 575 food per month?

>>2207072
I think what this is saying is the food that exists at the market level was then moved to the local level of South Benin since the market lost 600 but South Benin gained 600. It's just very poorly shown

>>2207072
>>2207184
it goes from MARKET into province STOCKPILE

>>2207173
I get a 10 year cooldown each time, maybe its only when the law passes?

>>2207187
That's what I just said dude

>>2207192
Could just be a bug honestly. But every time a vote finishes they start up the vote again to vote for the opposite side. Kind of silly

>>2207193
First time talking to shills?

>>2207187
okay but why do i pay to put food into other countries stockpiles?

>>2207263
white man burden

>>2207072
Starving niggers!
HAHA!

BRAVO JOHANN!

Does this game run well? One of the things I like about EU4 is I can actually play it into the 1700s or 1800s just fine unlike CK3 which completely dies after 150-200 years and becomes unplayable

>>2207335
Upgrade your PC, or change the thermal paste.

>>2207335
works on my machine

>>2207093
They either outright stole features or hired the modders that gave the previous games actually some depth

who is this

>>2207072
Kek devilish anon.

>>2207113
>I do think automating the budget was a huge trap as I was low on all the various mana points and low on estate stability for most of it.
trade is the only thing you should be automating on most countries imo
budget, cabinet, and buildings all benefit from some human input

How do I add a merchant to another market? The mission requirement wants me to be present in 6 different markets.

>>2207363
there are no merchants in this game

>>2207363
you have to have trade power in that market through buildings or ships or something

alright what setting is making the UI blurry?

>>2206909
>mercs bad
>early game
??? That is literally when they are at their best? you have a small manpower pool and no real mil buffs

>>2207342
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joan_III,_Countess_of_Burgundy
Looks like her.

>>2206501
I'm very glad PDX decided to take you retards out back and shoot you all in the back of the neck.

How the fuck is Yuan supposed to deal with the Red Turban Rebellion? Even rocking max minting with 50% inflation and loans piling up to deal with the economy I still don't have shit for manpower and so can't do anything to just the very first rebels.

>>2207532
you don't; you allow country switching in the game rules and swap to ming once it fires.

>>2206519
>It is deeper than either a puddle or a spill and it's not even close
great shilling there, bro

>>2203104
Thank you for your service O7

This is just a matter of my own tastes but..... ffs I hate all the spreadsheet bullshit.
This is not EU5. This is Vicky3.5. That's fine if you like Vicky games, but it kinda misses the 'point' of what EU is supposed to be. EU3 and EU4 were map painters of the first order, but this shit is just a tedium simulator.

I'm glad they added all the "automation" stuff but honestly, after setting pretty much all economy stuff to auto, there's really not much else to really do.

Maybe it'll grow on me with time, but after 2 sessions and 10.5 hours I'm still not 'sold' on this shit.

>>2207580
>there's really not much else to really do
that's the plan, bro. all the content will be added later through $30 DLCs

I'm too retarded to make money in this
Also I found it funny that I was giga juicing the lumber RGO (with max employment) and started building a road from the lumber to my capital and it couldn't finish because my market was missing lumber, probably something to do with the automated trade I suppose
Also no one wants to fucking ally me if I'm playing a small state, even when spending a ton of diplo
I give it a skill issue/10

Anyone know how to change province capital? It was possible in Imperator, but I can't find a way to do it in EUV.

im not gonna be able to run it, am i bros?

>>2207627
GPU doesn't matter, just set it to flat map and lowest settings.

>first game
>Play Navarre
>Can't do anything for years
>Can't fabricate claims because parliament sucks
>Economy sucks can barely build
>Get bored of doing nothing
>Boot up Byzantium
>Sweat it out
>Get overwhelmed with amount of micro and succession disaster
>Boot up Hungary
>Feel it's too easy
Bros what is wrong with me. I've played every paradox game since victoria 2 except Hoi4 and I'm not having the best time.
Also why the hell is going to war more restrictive than Vicky 2? Am I missing something? I can't get parliament to pass a fabricate claim.

>>2207633
i have another pc with 8 gb of RAM im assuming thats a no go

>>2207636
Just no CB.

Is there any way to get vassals to fabricate claims? I'm playing England and I want the Pale to directly annex some celtic minors.

>>2207541
As you should

>>2207636
You are supposed to just use no CB's now. Parliament is a consistent way to get claims. Against rivals, you can fabricate with spies. Rest of the time, just no CB, if you are in a hurry.

>>2207636
Also, you're probably so used to Paradox games that it is disorienting to have to learn a new game, unless you've played GSG's from other devs.

>>2207173
There's a cooldown on unions for me. Defensive leagues however vote again immediately after the last vote ends on defense policy.

any post-release patch yet?

>>2203290
At lunch? With a side of fries and chicken tendies?

>>2207765
Act your age.

>>2207785
No one asked

hopefully hoi5 will have as many buttons

How much does the performance sucks? I have Ryzen 5700X3D, is it good enough?

>>2207837
I have an I3 13100F, It works

>>2207837
I have a 5700X and there's been occasional slowdown but it's generally smooth. Haven't really checked to see which part of the system is struggling.

This is my first byzaboo run ever, what national idea should I get, land forcelimit or morale?

>>2207849
>eu3
kino

>>2207627
lmao why is a spreadsheet sim demanding this much

>>2207870
Because big enough spreadsheets always demand a lot of CPU power.

>>2207845
Worried about late game too, because even if it's smooth in the beginning it could get slower as it goes.

>>2207641
I got told to upgrade from 8 to 16 RAM to avoid performance issues and crashes.

>>2207849
morale. Then just max out free trade and do whatever you want

>>2207908
still using 8gb of RAM in today's world is your own fault, esp when it's so cheap and plentiful. even 16gb is low.

>>2207897
Not going to know for a while. I wish there was a later start date. I'm mostly interested in the early modern period proper and it's going to take fucking forever to get there. Overall I'm enjoying it though

>>2207849
I've discovered a foolproof way to byzantine in eu3. At the game start build galleys so you outnumber the ottomans by a few and then blockade the straits while all their armies are busy fighting the Timur. Won't work well in your run cause you already hold land in Asia which will cause attrition if turks occupy it
But since you control it, you can hire turkish infantry which is better than byzantine's at the game start
Morale is good

Man just how simple eu3 is compared to 5

>>2207910
Thanks.
>Then just max out free trade and do whatever you want
Isn't mercantilism better in the long run? Reconquering the Balkans and Anatolia, then setting up CoT in Constantinople, which would steer a lot of trade away from Venice and give an immense bonus to province population growth?

>>2207944
>But since you control it, you can hire turkish infantry which is better than byzantine's at the game start
So I did, but Ottomans have allied themselves with the Mamluks, so right now they outnumber me 2.5 to 1. My only hope is either ally myself with Europeans, or wait until their alliance crumble.

So i won't be able to play for a month or two. Now i'm wondering if we're likely to see it EUV with a little discount for the December steam sale?

>>2208056
just pirate it in a few years with dlc

>>2207093
Pretty much, its a giant incestous mess, EU4 had a mod called MEIOU+Taxes which is two mods from the EU3 days ported to EU4. This mod added in estates, pops and other shit but since it was a mod it was horrifyingly slow and janky since EU4 just couldnt be pushed that hard.

>>2207944
>Man just how simple eu3 is compared to 5
and yet better in all the right ways

>>2208064
What's funny is that the M&T devs said they had no idea what to do now as they're abandoning M&T 3.0, but don't have a niche or anything new to add in EUV.

>>2208064
Magna Mundi remains the best mod for eu3, just don't ask about their attempt to make their own game.

>>2207956
>>2207910
Mercantilism is alright for empires cause when you'll get bigger you'll have plenty of your own trade centers. It also gives you spies and spy protection.
I don't remember well what perks free trade has other than letting you compete in foreign markets. Which is especially good for smaller nations but shouldn't be a priority for byzantine. Focus on centralization first, it's always good.
CoTs are strong, you get 5 ducats monthly just from other countries' traders. And that's not counting the tax bonus and your own traders' profit.
Come to think of it, that fleet trick might still work if you release your asian holdings as vassals. You'll have to consider Mamluk's fleet too. I just don't know if it's too much for Byzantine to handle

>>2207178
yea there has to be an easier way to do it since I'm just constantly sitting at negative stability and have to fight off rebellions just to remove a single privilege.

>>2207785
What’s my age again?

>>2208087
they can retire
their job is done
mission is accomplished

>>2208219
Look at me. I’m the developer now.

>still have to manually merge levies
>small groups are still evaporated by being in the same province as a big group

its 2025 paradox, why are battles automatic/instant

>>2203066
Unreal Tournament tried that, literally, and they gave the fuck up on the franchise entirely when Fortnite blew up.

>>2206520
>progress to conciliatory
No downside if you're a pacifist, sure.

>Vladimir can take over Union seniority despite having lower GP score than me
>I need a GP score that's leages ahead of Vladimir's to take it back
Someone PLEASE MAKE IT MAKE SENSE

>>2207849
EU3 byzantium is comfy until Castile starts fucking with you and when you realize you'll have to fight nomads forever

>"Mostly Positive"
>almost all reviews mention bad performance
>don't have access to my main PC right now, try it on an old RX 580 machine
>runs smoothly
Does it get slow late game like Stellaris, or is half of Steam made of Tungtungtung Sahur from Jakarta, Indonesia demanding to play everythig on his GTX 850Ti?

>>2207663
Is there not a religious CB?
I selected random country and ended up as a wrong religion ruler surrounded by heathens and heretics (including my own entire population). I figured the one advantage would be easy CBs to go conquering, but I can't find one anywhere.

>>2207178
It's an antiblobbing measure

Convince me not to buy this game, anons. I haven't paid full price for a game in 15 years because I like waiting for discounts.

>>2208385
Just pirate it lemao

Modders fixed the game fast

>>2208397
why can't you defeat the poorest country in Europe Ivan LMAO

>>2208385
I bought it. It has a lot of promise and I think it’ll be good, but the performance and UI are rough right now. I concur with the anon who said wait a month or two for a few patches.

>>2208404
This post won’t age well.

>>2208411
Even if/when Ukraine loses it would have taken an embarrassing amount of time and war materials for the ruskies to defeat them.

>>2208404
>Ivan
>Game is in English

>>2208411
what, are the puccians winning now o algo?

>>2208397
Interesting enough even in vanilla Kyiv's country tag is KIE

>>2208434
I'm a retard, I searched advances in every period for "casus" and "religion" and "holy" but somehow didn't try "religious". Wasted a bunch of time looking through every single law and other bullshit after that too. Thanks anon

>>2208419
I've been called Ivan for posting that I didn't like the Last of Us TV show. I think it's mostly ironic.

>>2208419
>switch language to a cyrrillic script
>can no longer show the ebil west "look it says KIEV!!!"
smartest zigger right here

>>2208455
I can't understand those dwarven runes nigga, I just don't wait gay kamala politics in my game.

>>2208087
Bullshit.
>separate control into state reach and autonomy
>make estates actual estates rather than just court factions
>economy that always exists even if you don't control it
>the process of reforming and spawning institutions

Why the fuck cant i explore 2 inches from my town am i retarded

>>2207849
Unironically looks cleaner than EU5

Pirated and deleted it off my drive within 10 minutes. Fuck the UI. Fuck Johan. Fuck Paradox.

>>2208503
>Pirated and deleted it off my drive within 10 minutes.
So you got as far as the country selection screen?

>>2206658
>more location = more autism
>more autism =more better
Don't forget that the game has over 8x as many locations as EU4.

>>2208507
I started as the Ottomans and simply could not abide by the complete and utter lack of SOVL in this plastic feeling game

>>2208385
At the moment it's like 60% "potential" and only maybe 40% "fun". And the more you play the more boring it seems to get.
I'm only on my first campaign and at about ~1680 and it ALREADY feels like I saw most of what the game has to show me.
What's there is nice but all kinda "barren". Kinda like Victoria 3 at launch or Imperator. It doesn't help that the AI is extremely passive and doesn't seem to even try to blob.

>>2208503
>>2208514
Neophobia is a common symptom of actual clinical autism.

>>2208385
Shit UI, Shit UX, Shit 3d models. Fanboys are still using the "its just so complex!" cope

>>2208530
No autism required
It’s just nostalgia retardation

>>2208503
wow you showed them bro POG??

>>2208541
I might just pirate the game again and again to tank paradox for good

Does EU V simulate me polluting the environment with cattle?

>>2207178
and they told me they removed mana from this game. So much for that

Can paradox just resume development for imperator already, because that's their only half decent series now

So how the fuck do I fabricate claims to start some fucking wars eh?

>>2208533
>Shit UI
>Shit UX
>Shit 3d models
So an average paradox game. Guess it's gamer time

>>2208563
Parliament or spy ring. The first can be summoned every few years, the later can be started as long as you have an available diplomat

>>2208557
this is why we need muslim immigrants, they will have constant sex with the cows and keep their buttholes plugged with their willys so the cow farts and poop doesn't come out

>Take two (2) loans
>game ruined

>>2208568
Also AI that does nothing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LaUOw5uu1tg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuFuBIkOQVA

>hungarian army perma bugged in alps
lol
they cant move idk why

>>2208573
It's realistic. It has never been a good idea to take a loan ever in human history

>>2208575
>Also AI that does nothing
It does
>but muh content creator
It does. Shut it

I have a building my nobles strong armed me into starting, but I don’t have the gold to do it. How tf can I use the market to get the gold as quickly as possible?

>>2208583
You have not played a full campaign of this game

>>2208589
You have never stopped sucking dick

>>2208596
You're the one deepthroating paradox for 0 pay

>>2206658
will it run on i5 4440? i assume not

>>2208524
>>2208385
Also, while the game not being a dumbed down manafest is nice, I think they kinda overshot and ended up with something that kinda lacks "narrative". So many systems are so intertwined and complex (especially with all the Situations and international organizations) it's kinda hard to figure out what is even happening.
Trade/production is micromanagement to the extreme, and half the time I couldn't get the stuff my pops keep whining about. My income seems to be constantly fluctuating widely with no real input on my part.
The estates are better than the interest groups Vic3 had at launch but they're so rigid and annoying and just act as roadblocks to actually DOING anything. The proximity/control system makes conquering anything pretty much useless past a certain size. So in practice what you're actually doing for 80% of the time is kinda tweaking around the edges and putting out little bushfires in your economy while waiting for income/stability to rise.
A lot of the really "big" stuff only happens on the scale of centuries. Like, you can't just "focus" or "specialize". It's all stuff that happens out of a million little decisions you make throughout the game.
By the time you do see your values shift or pops being integrated/converted or whatever it never feels like a big payoff to major choices you've made, like it was with picking specific idea groups in EU4. It just feels like the "natural" way things would've gone, and that my actions are being molded by the state of the country rather than the other way around.

I guess that's all very true to real history but.... it's not very fun to play. I don't think they need to dumb anything down and if anything it's probably me who still has a long way towards gitting gud, but I wish they'd do something to kinda "bundle" a lot of the systems into bigger and more comprehensible chunks. I think some UI tweaks would help a lot with that, but that'll take some months/years/DLCs.

>>2208599
>t. deepthroats everyone
>while his mother rest from depthroating
>and his father watches

>>2208614
I don't know, the situations seem kinda bunk, at least the italian wars and the catholic church

Greetings, anons, could I perhaps... Interest you (haha) in a loan?

>>2208615
You type like an Indian ESL. Kill yourself

>>2208570
What option do I pick? I already have a spy ring at full in the country i want to fuck over, but i can only corrupt officials or other dumb ass stuff. Cant fabricate any claims.

>Black Death kills ruler within a month of appearing in the country
>has happened in 4 out of my 4 different tag runs

>>2208635
I played Milan and lost basically nobody, none of my rulers or family died in plague, lost only like 100k pops and got it all back withing 15 or so years. Maybe I'm just lucky

Am I retarded or the UI doesn't tell you what multiple levels of certain buildings do? I'm trying to find out if the fishing village gives you more sailors but I can't see what the upgrade actually does

>>2208637
bro check some "black death infection areas" maps of europe and take a look at milan kek

are there really no events for Manchu tribes?

>>2203055 (OP)
>pic unrelated

AI taking provinces everywhere is fucking bullshit
why do German olms take huge chunks of italy when they win random internal HRE wars?

>>2208678
Isn’t that what historically happened for the better part of a millennium?

>>2207433
This is something that's always kind of irritated me about Paradox games. Why the fuck are there are thousands of men-strong mercs you can hire that could kick the shit out of any country early on? That doesn't seem at all consistent with reality, so I'm surprised it's stuck around for so many years.

>>2208614
It's fun to me. What now?

>Although the Byzantine troops that captured Italy called themselves Romans, many inhabitants of the city had a deep-seated mistrust of Greeks, and Hellenistic influence more generally.[4] Before long, the citizens of Rome petitioned Justinian to recall Narses (who captured Rome in 552), declaring that they would rather still be ruled by the Goths.[5] Anti-Byzantine sentiment could also be found throughout the Italian peninsula, and reception of Greek theology in Latin circles was more mixed.[6]

oh but that greek state that was distrusted and disliked by ROME was definitely a roman successor state

How the fuck do I get my stability up fast?
this shit takes forever to recover

>ally calls me into a war
>we win
>he randomly gives me three provinces that I occupied
what the fuck, I didn't want this shit

Eu noob here. Any recommendations for best nations for a noob? Probably something smaller but interesting

>>2208981
Don't lose it in the first place, you should pass laws almost exclusively via parliament

>>2208988
>call player into war
>we win
>give him some of the provinces that he occupied as a reward
>he seethes about me being grateful for some reason

>>2208996
portugal is always tutorial island: the country

>>2208933
They still held the eastern half of the empire, though by then while Justinian was a Latin speaker, the culture of the empire was shifting dramatically, to the point where they were just as different to the classical Romans culturally and linguistically than the Germans who ruled the HRE. Byzaboos live in a fantasy land where they pretend that shift in the empire never actually happened and that they were the exact same people as Caesar and Augustus

>>2208933
>the eastern roman empire wasn't roman because some people found its religious interpretation of Christianity and cultural background queer
I guess Austria isn't german then

Nice simulation you got there

>>2208988
The meta is to release a subject (or subjects) from that land.

>>2208988
>ally calls me into war
>we win
>he gives me three unconnected locations in unconnected provines
I hate getting called into wars because this shit keeps happening. Just give a full province or something so that I don't have a gorillion OPM vassals.

should I spam trade offices and overseas trading posts as an Italian nation?

>check prosperity map
>pagan Lithuania is a paradise on earth
weird

>>2209147
I assume it just wasn't hit by the plague as hard as everything else, or something

>>2209022
obviously the Eastern Romans in 560 were culturally different than Augustus. The WRE in the 400s was culturally different too. The East never spoke Latin en masse but they were part of the empire before even Gaul and the Greeks had heavy influence on classical Romans. Byzantine culture is the natural evolution of Roman culture over time and you can see most of the beginnings of its notable differences during the united empire, especially Diocletian and after.

>>2209147
I got the same thing going on.
Is Castille bright green as well?

>>2209185
They're doing okay, but as well as Lithuania.
Byzantines just got fucked hard, shame the Bulgarian/Turkish AI won't capitalize on it.

How the fuck do I deal with disease early-game? My people have measles and influenza but the game won't allow me to construct any buildings to help.

>>2209301
Just live with the pain.

>>2209301
You can build hospitals and stuff but probably only in your capital and maybe major cities. Once the plague rolls in you will be boned, but all your neighbors are too so it's not so bad.

how do you get more characters?
everyone is old and dying

>need to go through FOUR tooltips to figure out the effects of what's being voted on
th-thanks

>siege fort for 2 years with 10k
>ally comes in last second with 11k without even being war leader and takes control of the siege
yeah, fuck off.

the fuck do roads do

>>2209532
improve control and movement speed i think

Is there a good mod to make the country borders and colors stronger? I seem to recall CK3 having the same issue, it makes it hard to play in parts of Europe where you're in the middle of a lot of piecemeal countries

>>2209468
Yeah paradox's obsession with nested tooltips is too extreme. That final descriptor should be the first thing to pop up.

>>2206543
unironically what is complex about trade? You open up the market tab, go to either the list sorted by profit or MAYBE by rgo needs if they get uppity, then select the first option.

>>2209809
you can set the mapmode to flat.

>>2209898
if this is how you handle it then you should just automate it because thats what the AI does anyways.

>>2209468
This is so annoying. In the original notification you get when the pope pushes one of these, I don't even think you can see what the law actually does

>>2209008
Nah, they've actually been somewhat hard in EU4 for a while now. Mostly because Spain loves to gun for you. On average the easiest country is the Ottoman and Castille.

I remember England in EU3 being a good tutorial country but I feel the 100 year war was way less punishing back then.

>>2209898
because importing based on profit right now isnt exactly the most efficient

>>2209898
You can do that if you just want to make the most profitable trades in the short term. But if you're trying to make a particular good cheaper or more expensive in your market (or someone else's market for that matter) then you might not want the most profitable option.

How are you supposed to get your ruler married when in a personal union? As Sweden I get -40 to acceptance for royal marriages due to the union with Norway, and there are no local nobles of breeding age.
Am I supposed to just marry a lowborn?

I don't understand population needs at all.
Apparently there's a shortage of sturdy grains, so I go conquer a sturdy grain RGO. The shortage gets even worse. Can't level up the RGO because it's not even fully staffed as it is. I cancel automated trade and dedicate my entire trade budget importing sturdy grain... No effect whatsoever. Not a single decimal point difference.
What the fuck do you want me to do, game?

>>2209898
for example if you are going to war a lot and want to build up an arms industry its probably a good idea to import goods used to make weapons to create a strong demand for them so that its cheaper to make weapons down the line

anyone know if the "assassinated a ruler" diplomatic reputation modifier ever goes away? I've had it for at least a decade at this point

Is the parliament actually the only real way to get CBs?
It's kinda cringe

>>2208578
Units can't move in mountainous regions during a normal or severe winter.

I've actually had this happen with my own army during a retreat. Retreated my army back to the Carpathian mountain ranges, but winter ended up rolling around and I had to wait 4 whole months for my army to be able to be controllable again. When it hit the mountain terrain tile, it just got stuck and because retreating armies don't gather food, it was attritioning from starvation + winter penalty the whole time. At least it couldn't be attacked though since it was still technically in retreat.

>>2209984
Building a spy network in a country specifically has an option of creating CBs using spy network power, but I've never been able to get it to work.

How do I get prestige

>>2209992
Works fine for me
The CB takes time to make and you have to keep the spy network going the whole time though

>King dies while running a PU
>go into regency
>regency ends
>get a second IO for the same PU

How am I supposed to make manpower?
I can only build one sergeantry and don't see any other building options

>>2209926
Castille will rip apart any new player because of the disasters. And I've never seen castille go for portugal unless portugal allies aragon and ditches castille.

>>2208385
>paying full price for base paradox game
>ever
lol

>>2208988
Allies are such bros in this game. They're always down to join your wars no questions asked, give you free shit just for occupying, and don't mind if you decline call to arms.

>>2207072
it's bulking season

Im trying to "patrol the seas" to increase maritime presence but my little fleet is just sitting in 1 single seazone and my control isnt increasing. any obvious reason that im missing?

>>2208678
>mooooom I was told that only I am allowed to blob! But now the pesky AI is doing it and might actually be a threat!! This game was supposed to be all about ME ME ME

>>2210048
More boats in fleet.

>>2209913
>>2209941
>>2209947
>>2209971
that's all fine and dandy but we all know this is just self-serving autism to squeeze every last 1% of efficiency when you can beat the AI with a hand behind your back anyways

>>2210068
thats all paradox games

>>2210013
>And I've never seen castille go for portugal unless portugal allies aragon and ditches castille.
They do it all the time whenever I play them. Not too surprising considering they have a mission to force them into a personal union.

>>2210068
yes why do you think people play MP

>>2203055 (OP)
I got out relatively unscathed all things considered.

>>2210094
the best people to play MP are a group of friends interested in roleplaying and history, kind of have to have a regular group you do it with that is kind of like a non-murder hobo DnD group. avoid the gameplay autists if at all possible when doing MP. it's a much more fun experience.

>>2210098
haha yeah me too...

>>2210107
sadly i am one of those gameplay autists, i can only have fun competitively stacking modifiers and minmaxing

>>2208651
That's only because they locked shit down in milan. Are there historical events for milan to go into ulta quarantine mode?

>>2210112
fairly similar no? Although mine kind of tapered off a little.

Is there a way to see how much of an "investment pool" my estates have? I want to see if reducing taxes on them would help in getting more buildings built.

>>2210003
You get it from buildings e.g. barracks, later tech

>>2210107
>the best people to play MP are a group of friends interested in roleplaying and history
This is the best way to play single player, too.

Its in the estates tooltips on the top bar
If they ever decide to build something useful I would drop taxes to help them, but they never do

>join a defensive league
>the AI votes to change the terms of the league at literally every opportunity
holy shit this is annoying

>>2203055 (OP)
i always trusted johan
nigga made hoi3

>>2210170
>hoi3
a game for simpletons. maybe try War in the Pacific: Admiral's Edition.

>>2206894
i hate this shit it should be mercenaries the levies meme needs to die

I feel like they shouldn't be doing this

You can't join subjects' civil wars? What the fuck?

>>2210172
maybe try Big Cock: Up Your Gay Little Ass

>>2210187
the response of a simpleton too

I could never really understand goods and markets and all in vic and eu but it's finally clicked for me with this one. I'm having fun.

The production method and building autism in this game reminds me a lot of Ara

my eyes hurt

How can I trade a good that's not on the suggested lists? I have weapons selling at a loss I want to export but it won't show up.

Does anyone else's map look like this no matter what? I think this is supposed to be the flatmap mode, but no matter what setting I change it to, it remains like this. Haven't been able to see the 3D map at all.

>>2210211
You're in the ctrl+w map mode, press ctrl+q

>>2210213
No, I'm in the terrain mapmode.

This is what it looks like when I switch to the 3D mapmode btw.

For some reason the option to disable 3D terrain in the graphics options was on for me by default...

>>2210229
Game auto-picks graphics options on first launch

>have played every paradox game extensively
>start eu5
>skip tutorial ( heh, it cant be that complex)
>so many buttons, menus within tooltips within menus, with even mooore buttons
>have been staring at the screen for the last 15 minutes, still no idea wtf am i doing

Is this what being black feels like?

How the FUCK do I leave a Personal Union?

>>2206331
Levies were called for specific conflicts. They agreed to come fight X then they return to their farms. You can't keep them called because you are a warmonger.

>>2209147

Lithuania was probably the strongest and most prosperous country in europe in the 14-to-16.th centuries. Religious pragmatism made sure they didint go full retard with persecution, they were affected by the black death only partialy and to a smaller scale than most european countries, all their neighbhors got assraped b the mongols, and that allowed lithuania to later absorb lots of smaller pincipalities after the golden horde started falling apart. The offical religion they adopted was christianity, wich ensure the teutonic and livonian orders could no longer harass them at will, and at the same time they promoted tolerance of the pagan rural population, ensuring there were no rebellions or a downturn in the economy, the union with poland ( Polish-lithuanian commonwelth) ensure it was the most prominent european power at the time, the game is representing them correctly.

>>2207870
Because devs got lazy 7 years ago when GPUs got so fucking huge so they don't waste time optimizing anymore.

>>2208557
Why don't we put all the cows in a big barn and harvest their farts to boil water with?

Are we stupit?

>>2210270
What caused their decline to being a nobody?

>>2203055 (OP)
I want to try eu5 but I'm a poorfag with shit internet policy so I want to know if I can run it before pirating. Can any anons lmk how it runs for you?
>specs
>i5-1340P
>16 gig ram
>iris xe integrated graphics

>>2210287

Breakdown of royal ties with polish nobility made them not so relevant politicaly, later on they industrilized a bit slower due to their geographic location. Its important to note that they never got a "collapse", it was more or less a pleasant country to live in up until the soviet union, and even then it was mostly ok due to being on the periphery and mostly ignored by moscow.

What am I in for and what should I do to make sure I don't become The Raped immediately

My ultimate goal is to become the Muslim Genoa of the Mediterranean.

>>2210287
it's always culture/genetics that can't adapt to new technology that explains a people's decline (e.g. polacks are dumber and more clannish than germans)

>>2210313
>it's always culture/genetics that can't adapt to new technology that explains a people's decline (e.g. polacks are dumber and more clannish than germans)
I would refer you to "Onward Christian Soldiers" by Donald Day.

>>2210270
sure thing pavel

>>2210287
Kind of fucked by several things at once. They had an unstable political system with the nobility and magnates having massive but diffuse power (something like 15% of the population of the plc was enobled compared to maybe under 5% in the rest of europe), they had an ethnically and religiously diverse population that led to countless uprisings and friction, and they were just kind of fucked by geography, being wedged between russia, the german states, sweden and the ottoman empire.

>>2210229
For those of you more well versed in steam, if I put a -dx12 command in the launcher options, does it force the game into using dx12 even if I have vulkan selected in the game itself?

>>2210287
The Commonwealth got raped by Sweden and Russia in the 17th century and never fully recovered
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deluge_(history)#Destruction_of_the_Commonwealth

>>2210330
You can tell it to use dx12 on launch with the pop up before it opens

>>2210331
Jesus Christ Sweden, what the fuck.

>>2210331
many places in europe got raped and did fully recover so this doesn't address why poland didn't.

>>2210347
that's just kind of how warfare was back then but it was still brutal

>>2210348
recovery takes time and there was no breathing room for them with Russia, Austria, Sweden, and Prussia on their borders
after the 30 years war for example, the German states could rebuild because they weren't as threatened

Is it intentional that there's not a SINGLE speck of Tin all across Mesoamerica?

>>2210270
sounds very ewish
were there a lot of ewish in litauen at this time?
je-uish 5

>>2210323
*paulius

where and at what breakpoints can you increase country rank? the tooltips for it are useless

the game might be quote unqoute 'fun' but the AI still doesn't blob like the eu3 days, and for an old school original /gsg/er (i practically was the guy who made these games popular) i had to uninstall

>Jan Hus gets burned at the stake
>nothing happens for 20 years
I kinda expected some more events about the spread of the hussite faith
A little disappointed that I'm not going to be able to convert now

>>2210365
There's production methods to make iron and coal without an RGO, so maybe see if there's one for tin

>>2210368
Plc had the largest population in europe, with vilnius being a big center for jews, yes. They thrived there owing to the unique situation with the nobility

why is there no gsg on vg? when did they disappear

>>2210384
vg is way too fast because jannies refuse to make a gacha quarantine board, in addition to fog and xivg archiving gsg threads in the process

>>2210347
Poles still absolutely seethe about it to this day kek

>>2210331
Heh, idiots didn't take the washing machines!

>using a 12700k
>noticeable multi second lag every new month at 8am and I'm only 2 decades in
having actual pops was a good change but I don't think this bad UI and performance was worth what boils down to EU 4.5
>use your ducats to build buildings which give more ducats and use the excess ducats to maintain an army
>use your stability mana to declare wars

>>2210387

>swedes invade
>steal everything they could carry, even bricks from the roads and walls
>kill 9/10 of the population in the major centers

How did the poles even fuck up that badly, were asleep during the entire invasion?

>>2210457
there's a console command that makes the game very very fast, idk what it does

>>2210355

>killed 90% of the population of the cities they sacked

Bro even the mongols werent that monstrous.

Some tips for other anons that may feel overwhelmed like i was:

>forget the "tutorial" nations, start with a small country instead of france or england, so you can learn what the mechanics individualy do without being drowned in buttons and tooltips
>automate commerce, do it, seriously
>avoid any big/difficult wars before the black subsizes, but DO declare at least one minor war so your extra population dosent just waste away by the time the plague hits
>if monarchy, dont marry a lowborn, not only does it cost a lot, it also has some pretty bad events down the road

Thats all for now

>>2209963
Pop needs get filled in the market, if you conquer a province but it doesn’t join your market the pops won’t get the provinces goods. Also if other countries in your market have higher trade advantage than you they get their demands filled first. Not sure if that’s causing your problem though

Is there a building tab for the ledger so i can set PMs myself instead of remembering which locations I have checked?

>>2210471
Trying to play as Pisa, I don't understand how you're supposed to play tall, is it really just being super patient building up slowly and importing high demand good and exporting high supply goods while also having to juggle other supplies you need for other needs but aren't as profitable? If so, that sounds really rough having to micro all that later in the game. I also find the AI just maximizes the highest value deals without taking the other needs and demands of the people and industries into consideration. Or maybe the trading AI is better than I give it credit for, but I'm just impatient af, idk.

>>2203055 (OP)
Honestly this game just feels bloated like MEIOU.

>>2210494
I cooka da pisa

The mesoamerican market is of course complete trash as expected but I'm at 1520 already and an incessant tools shortage has been a constant and permanent problem every single step of the way.
The biggest hurdle is the fact that I'm locked into the shitty stone tools prod method, even though copper is plentiful I can't FUCKING USE IT without Tin, and I looked, there is not a SINGLE TIN NODE in ALL of mesoamerica and change, and there's no method of extracting it either. I have five cities with 20+ toolmakers and 20+ stone quarries and it's straight up impossible to dig yourself out of the hole. This seems really weird to me, like I know iron extraction was more advanced but they had bronze, Tin is fucking everywhere, by all rights I should be able to dig some out SOMEWHERE

>>2210525
Why not use iron tools with the bog iron smelters?

>>2210531
Mesoamericans are forbidden from the Ironworking tech, you can't see it or make any buildings for it. But there is one that boosts Copper, hinting that it's even great for making tools, but there's no tin, ANYWHERE

>>2210533
Or I guess specifically lacking Feudalism locks your out of it, but of course it'll never spread to the new world before yuropeans arrive two hundred years after game start so it's pointless

>>2210515
Thank you for your valued input anon

Like come on there's even a special new world culture tech literally hinting at the fact that you should be making copper tools. Fuck you paradox I demand Tin NOW

>>2209994
you dont

>>2209994
same as in eu4, win big battles and humiliate people

How to boost population? Playing Cyprus and I can't get strong growth

is there any point to changing laws or do i not understand something because they all look like shit for -100 stability

>>2210572
Well actually you're supposed to change laws via Parliament meetings, those let you change them right away without the hit, even if the bill itself fails you can basically pretend it was for -7 stab or whatever.

>>2210242
Play the tutorial. You'll start to get the hang of it.

>play Poland
>triple whammy of Smallpox Measles, and Typhus brings me down to sub-1M pops before Black Death even fires
porting the CK3 disease mechanic was a mistake

Has anybody put together a video on helping people get started with all the new way of doing things? I wont be able to play till the weekend but i figure ill watch some stuff. And who should i play first between Holland, Florence, Teutons or Castile.

>>2210537
>each institution is only allowed to spawn once ever across the entire globe
This shit sucks.

>>2210650
It's fantastic, no more Korean style wakanda provinces spawning equal tech across the whole world

>>2210659
>it shouldn't even be an option, because... it just shouldn't, okay!?

>>2210572
>>2210578
Negative stability isn't TOO bad, if you pepper your angus. Estate satisfaction hit straight to your wallet will hurt, though.

>>2210673
yeah it doesn't seem that bad, aside from pop promotion speed which i'd guess is good to have. it's just that the laws really don't seem too impactful but maybe you unlock better ones later idk

>>2210687
You absolutely do. But the real kicker is revoking those cunt Nobility's privileges.

>>2210525
That's what you get for playing ooga boogas, kek!

>>2209491
>MOMMY I HATE THESE TOY SOLDIERS!

>"how does xxx work?"
It literally tells you in the tooltips. I'm specifically talking to that mong who asked about roads. It literally LITERALLY tells you in the first tooltip that it increases movement speed by a certain %. Honestly you fucking cunts don't deserve a game like this.

>>2203055 (OP)
>A Paradox game that's actually really good right at launch
CK3 did that, too.
Then they fucked it up.
I expect nothing less from EUV

>>2203064
Johan was - thankfully - kept away on beaches of Spain, so he won't soil anything with his fat fingers

>>2207093
They hired the modders from MEIOU mod and turned 3/4 of MEIOU into EU5
Which from MEIOU fanbase is the ultimate win, as MEIOU was supposed to get a stand-alone game between 3 and 4, only to lose the bid to Magna Mundi, of which no g ame was made.

tl;dr a 15 yo feud within fandom is finally settled, by hiring mods and using their mod as base for the newest EU

>>2209491
>He fights wars for other people
You have only yourself to blame

So what kind of location do I need to make my own market? It doesn't actually tell me

>>2206267
I think the big difference is the people working in the different internal teams. Tinto seems to have the history autist developers while ck3 has the reddit screenshot ones

Okay, I think I'm dropping my Muscovy playthrough 20 years in because NOTHING FUCKING HAPPENS. It's just not fun by any possible metric.

>>2208606
It runs on my i5 6600k, not sure how it compares to the 4440

I want to like this game, but i'm filtered as fuck by this shitty UI. Between the tiny provinces to occupy in wars and the labyrinth of finding how to build buildings, the game is slow simply because there's no clear way to do what I want to do.

>>2210831
You don't really need to go province by province, if you cap the biggest town in it you will gradually occupy the whole thing

>>2203055 (OP)
>pic unrelated
yeah, Stellaris was pretty damn good.

>>2210826
You're supposed to kneecap the golden horde when the plague royally fucks them in the ass.

>>2210826
Do they have much flavor to them? Its weird how little ive heard about how they play so far.

>>2210826
Welcom to ruzzia comrade. Nothing happens just drink vodka.

so, what's the end goal of playing a stateless tag?
I have been expanding as Hansa but I don't seem to have any actual power

>>2208411
4th year of the 3 days SMO

>>2208614
>It's all stuff that happens out of a million little decisions you make throughout the game.
>By the time you do see your values shift or pops being integrated/converted or whatever it never feels like a big payoff to major choices you've made, like it was with picking specific idea groups in EU4. It just feels like the "natural" way things would've gone, and that my actions are being molded by the state of the country rather than the other way around.
So it's a pretty good history sim?

>>2210953
well, EU5 did really shift more into the sim aspect instead of the glorified board game that was EU4

>>2210949
It happens to the best.

>>2208614
>it's not very fun to play
You've failed to ascend. Meanwhile, I'm busily drilling grand strategy mechanics into Kenshi so the game can play itself while I run around and watch the world slowly change (read: the empire usually wins). If I learned anything from my time spent with that game it's that gameplay is truly secondary to how well the environment pulls the player into the unfolding narrative. If you do not give a shit about what's going on then odds are the gameplay amounts to noise and frustration whilst waiting for the fun to come. If you aren't invested in what you're doing you'll probably turn the game off and post a bunch of butthurt about how your time was wasted. Maybe the game isn't fun - and maybe you lack inspiration (or worse, imagination). Find what appeals to you... which could be not this game, i.e., a waiting simulator.

>vicky's production, tech tree and POPS
>ck combat system, succession and diseases
>can't even paint the map due to control because this game was made by MEIOU&T devs
so, what part of EU is left in this game?

>>2210973
>refuse to invade the enemy
WHAT WERE THEY THINKING?

>1356
>look at culture map
>spot some blue and orange dots in Greece
>all the french/catalan Latin duchies and Venice holdings have 100% culture converted their places
Yep, that's a real paradox quality game right there
I don't even know why they bothered adding all the small cultures

Johan is associated with autism? I thought he was associated with terrible game design decisions and the push away from historical simulation to pure fantasy sandbox.

>>2210993
>all the french/catalan Latin duchies and Venice holdings have 100% culture converted their places
Sounds like you're pressing the wrong culture map mode.

>>2211007
yes
that's why he is kept in isolation
but even then his ghost still walks around because EU5 STILL has got mana

>>2211014
i stopped playing paradox games when they implemented mana. so i probably won't start now.

>>2211014
No it doesn't tranny
No amount of you coping and seething will make eu4 a real /gsg/

>>2211015
That was 12 years ago

>>2211020
yeah. last games i played (and still play sometimes with friends) are eu3, vicky2, and hoi3

>>2211018
>American reading comprehension

>>2211024
You keep pushing the >eu4 is better because it has content and then also >eu5 is bad because it has mana
Bullshit for days now. Just give it up sister

>>2210981
The EU part is that the game spans the discovery of the new world and the 30 years war

>do a few restarts as Byzantium because of course it's my first nation
>Thessaly, the heart of Hellas, 100% Greek Orthodox, isn't my core
>it obviously will take 12 years to send some fucking administrators and tax collectors, you see, you should make it a vassal day 1
>you can't attack the lone, 100% Greek in population Latin statelets in Peloponnese because uhhh they aren't your cores chud, wait 20 years until they all convert to Catholic
>you cant attack any beyliks in Anatolia to get your cores back unless you build spy networks for 20 years because ?????
There's antiblobbing and then there's retardation

>>2211023
Eu5 is more like a mix of eu3 and vicky 2, two great games

>>2211029
Eastern ROME is cock and ball torture in eu5 and that's a good thing

>>2211007
The only terrible games he has made is imperator and march of the eagles. Although he has made some really terrible DLCs

>>2211032
It should have been a cock and ball torture because of Serbia and Bulgaria circling you like hawks while you try to stop the Turks from uniting, it should be a cock and ball torture because of the economy, low trust and authority in the rulers, Black Death, natural disasters, rebellions and civil wars.
Not by blocking me arbitrarily from doing anything even if I choose to keep my economy temporarily on life support with loans.

>>2211031
well you sold me
has there been a post-release patch yet?

>>2211041
There's one today, not sure what time it's releasing

>>2211036
johan has been a bane on the paradox franchise and caused far greater harm than just those two examples of shovelware, shill-kun

>>2211025
???
you need to take your fucking meds you schizo moron

Am I not finding it or is there actually no way to see what a raw good gets used for?

>>2211053
sorry sweety but EU5 is chudcore now

Speaking of ethnic cleansing and East Rome, I hope someone ports Third Odyssey to EU5, the situations system and pops would make that scenario work a lot better.

>>2211041
I think there’s supposed to be one today

It's only been like 15 years and I'm already really fucking tired of the Hundred Years war. I just need to extract as much wealth from France as I possibly can. This will be used to build 500 book binders in England.

>>2211064
Now imagine being some chud in aquitane 80 years into the war that's killed your great grandfather, grandpa, dad, and now (you)

>>2211071
I'm sorry Occitanegros, but the Welsh are too stupid to board boats so you are my bulwark against the French menace. Your sacrifice will someday give the English people gravel roads.

>>2203055 (OP)
Wow they are really spending money to shill here?

So how do I blob in this game?

What does accepting cultures even do?

It seems it doesnt increase nor speed up vassal integration, is it a scam?
>>2211074
>Occitans
>Aquitaine

>>2211115
Kys eu4 troon

>>2211153
>What does accepting cultures even do
makes the pops happier, duh

>>2211157
Ok i will look for the genocide button

>>2208573
Turns out you aren't supposed to loan max, when your financial institutions aren't developed. Most nations in real life didn't even have institutions for formalized public debt, for the whole game's duration.

>>2208614
So you are telling me that EUV filters board game retards from actual history sim enthusiasts? Sounds good!

>>2211161
How do you even do that, are you just supposed to assimilate and convert after integrating a province?

Game is fun but its a hot mess. UI is messy and performance issues out the ass.

I've already had an ironman save get corrupted and another normal game save as well, where the game just stops time on 8am. In the latter save, I had this weird issue where it would skip from 19:00 straight to 08:00 next day, including on the speed 1, effectively making the days on EU-Earth 11 hours long. Haven't been able to play more than 100 years.

>play Qusqu
>the andes are stucked with severe winters giving -200% food production and forcing you to constantly buy food going bankrupt
>armies cabt even move one fucking province because they cant move during winter normal+ winter
Am I retarded or is it simply broken? You cant just walk around not moving your armies, I think it's just broken.

>>2211185
>I enabled the tick skip console command, why is the tick skipping?! Clearly the game is bugged!
High IQ retard moment

>>2211186
>Uhmmm why can't I just march my entirely foraging based third world army through the mountains with no limitations? Why can't I spend military mana to ignore snow?!

is there any point in bothering with the trade instead of just leaving it on auto

>>2210659
Meiou&Taxes solved this problem already

>>2211212
Yea,
Sometimes the AI doesn’t bother with lower profit trades for items your pops need for production/military or whatever else so you have to input that manually

>>2211203
Yeah but you are stuck with that year round. It just aint working. Not to mention you cant build shit and default is sure.

>>2211199
I didn't -_-

>>2211181
Not only them. But it managed to filter poorfags and browns too. This game is such a blessing for CHVDGODS

>>2210461
They were only armed with plungers

>>2208865
>what are privates

>>2211199
Whats the command for this btw?

>>2210270
>no plague from the silk road
>because they were too rich to buy chinese goods
Hmm...
>>2210287
Multicultural kingdom during the rise of nationalism and the state
They never stood a chance and never will rule over foreign subjects again

>>2211199
I thought you might be right since all the previous saves in my normal game suddenly had the same issue presenting, but I didn't even touch the console commands at any point. I'm sure its a memory allocation error, probable because I'm using Linux. My ironman save in comparison, will tick one 11-hour day, then the game will completely lock up and become unresponsive to everything other than clicking on things. Can't quit out of it either without killing it manually.

>>2210525
>The biggest hurdle is the fact that I'm locked into the shitty stone tools prod method
Just build more construction sectors and pass religious schools
Wait this isn't the Victoria 3 thread...

>>2211047
What has he done then? CK2 was good, except for maybe the sunset invasion, victoria 2 was good, Hoi3 was good, Eu4 was a mixed bag.

>>2211185
>it would skip from 19:00 to 08:00
Do you mean that the time in the UI went 18:00 -> 08:00?

>>2211223
Stop playing as savage primitives in a game about white men who are the protagonist of earth. They shouldn't even be playable tbqh

>>2211319
Yeah.

>>2211352
This is intentional. Time stops at 7 o'clock and the whole world has the same time and goes to sleep at the same time and there is no night conflict. I consider it an acceptable sacrifice if it means we don't have to deal with the full 24 hour time

>>2211391
we should do that irl

antagonism seems to decay very slowly compared to how much you get. I get that they want to avoid blobbing, but having antagonism for 50 years over taking territory less than the size of belgium seems odd.

>>2211391
???
It wasn't doing this before though, that's my point. At some point I alt-tabbed, came back into the game and it was just like this.

>>2211395
>antagonism seems to decay very slowly compared to how much you get. I get that they want to avoid blobbing, but having antagonism for 50 years over taking territory less than the size of belgium seems odd.
Sounds like a generation of people who were alive remember it

>play Bohemia
>first 80 years of the game are spent integrating the small vassals
kino

>>2210636
Poland should have a unique buff for the black death. They were one of the last places to get hit and the outbreak was minor.

how does this compare to meiou & taxes?

>>2211416
no

>>2211352
I never noticed that, it's pretty funny, but it's intentional, apparently.

>>2211402
France fought several coalition wars during the reign of louis XIV, but that had changed a lot by the time louis xv had succeeded him. 50 years is a long time in politics.

>>2211422
>no wages for pops
>estates are actually just court factions
>court factions can buy stuff even if they don't have money
>fewer ways of interacting with court factions
>land is only valuable insofar as you have control
>lack of reforming system
>no bureaucracy
>no way to invent institutions that have already been invented
Trading is also wonky but I don't know the specifics of exactly how.
Runs considerably slower than M&T

HOW THE FUCK DO I MARRY MATRILINEALLY MY FUCKING MONARCH CAN ONLY PUMP OUT TOMBOY SLUTS

>>2211430
Apparently it is? I'm looking up SpudGun's release day stream and his gameplay has the same fucking thing, but I SWEAR my own game had a 24 hour cycle. I'm looking back through my screenshots and can only find times <19:00.

Please can someone just prove I'm not going crazy by posting a game screenshot with a >19:00 time...

>>2211460
>MATRILINEALLY
This is mostly a gameplay conceit because CK3 ends your game if you switch to another dynasty. IRL dynasties frequently died out or had power transferred to another because of this. They were still related though.

I finally managed to double the daily tick speed with iGPU
I'm gonna allocate even more ram and it might be playable at reasonable speed
Can't believe they managed to make a spreadsheet map painting simulator bottlenecked by fucking useless graphics desu

>>2211474
But I dont want to play a different icky dynasty? I have five daughters ready to breed, but I dont want to lose my cool dynasty

>Hoi4: 105,120 ticks
>Eu4: 137,605 ticks
>Vic3: 146,000 ticks
>Ck3: 213,890 ticks

>Eu5: 4,380,000 ticks

>>2211483
>I have five daughters ready to breed, but I dont want to lose my cool dynasty
>Uh, you don't get to bring heads
You know what to do anon. Your wife has failed you.

Playing as Castille should I even move the capital? what will happen to the capital buildings will they move too?

when's the patch dropping

>>2211477
You have a garbage computer you picked out of a garbage heap in Mumbai. It takes literally 2 seconds for me to pass a month. Just disable all graphics settings and put it on 2d chud mode, because graphics are for normalfags

>>2211491
My ruler just died and one of my tomboy slut daughters SOMEHOW fucking inherited the entirety of Sweden upon my Danish monarchs death. HOW DOES THIS MAKE ANY SENSE?! I was perfectly content with going to war over many years with Sweden. I still have no male heir.

What kind of army composition should I be making with my professional troops?
Not sure what the split between infantry, guns, cavalry, and artillery should be

>>2211470
Nobody fights battles after 7 pm anyways

>>2211251
I don't know, I've never heard of 'privates' before so I'm not sure what you mean. I'm not well-versed on late medieval and early modern periods, so maybe it's totally normal. It simply seems odd to me that a kingdom can only muster a few hundred people but there are roving bands of thousands of men that will fight for coin. It seems if you have the coin to pay mercenaries, you should have the coin to pay your own subjects.

>>2211470
>>2211352
So just to be clear, not only did they decide on having ticks by hour, they also didn't even set a 24 hour clock??? What?

>>2211399
It was always like that. It's the first thing I noticed when I unpaused the game. The fuck are you smoking?

>mercs cost 400 gold
I'm probably investing too much into my economy. None of this is going to matter in 5 years anyway. Everyone will be dead. I need more savings.

>>2211470
I'll check my screenshots folder after I get off work at 17:00 but I won't have long because I'll need to go to bed two hours after that.

I'm gonna try to get 95%+ of my country killed by the plague. Wish me luck!

>>2211516
I'm just waiting my GPU, I have a real gayming computer optimized for autism gaming
Anyway with 8gb of ram allocated to igpu + the debug tick option I'm now getting 1 month in like 2 3 seconds instead of 1 day a second

how do you even make money as a tiny shitty country? should I just be demolishing these universities and cathedrals I've conquered to run into the green again? i haven't had more than like 80 ducats at a time yet

This is the third time my ally has decided to declare war on a immensily more powerful enemy. Is the AI just broken or whats going on?

55MB PATCH IS OUT

>>2211658
forgot to add image

>>2211669
>he allied?
>invade eet

>>2211556
>>2211585
They explicitly mention in the devlog how they only have 12 hours, since it was rare for armies to fight or march 24 hours a day

>the papal states offers me an alliance and then breaks it every month
>get a notification for the offer
>don't get a notification for the breaking
hmm

>>2211681
m8 idk what im doing. my goal was at first to annex sweden as norway but that will apparently finish in 2053. then some royal marriages latter im queen of everything but its all separated

Do the turks just always convert to orthodoxy?
Something seems broken with that

>>2211664
https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/threads/1-0-2-patch-notes.1868042/

did i just get super fucking unlucky or something, because where the fuck are all the CB's dammit. im already in 1377 and i STILL cant figure out how to fabricate a claim or anything similar. only way i managed to get cbs so far was by using the parliament (im holland). i really hope this isnt normal, holy antiblobbing

>>2211687
Ok, that gives a sense but I still think that it's strange having 1/2 of a day missing. Some buildings stop construction during certain parts of year. Why not make it like this too, but on hourly rate? You could march Your armies only from 8am to 8pm, but if You'd like You could force them into Forced march to make them march at night in exchange for some debufs.

>>2211781
gotta use your parliament bruv

>>2211786
It would make more sense with force march making them march the other hours as well, but I'm guessing that they didn't want to include 100% more ticks just for that interaction, rather than making force march quicker the other hours.

>>2211781
You are supposed to no CB more now, if you want to conquer. It's not as costly as it was in eu4

>>2211803
idk man this looks scary

>>2211850
absolutely irrelevant shitholes getting angry at HollandGODS. It's ok, they cannot join coalition with less than 50 antagonism.

>>2210983
They didn't want Korean War 2.0

>>2211788
wait does... does every nation have parlliament now? huh ok...

How in the FUCK am I supposed to increase control in provinces I have conquered when I lose all control after annexing a Vassal that has procured control?

>>2211850
timurid horde got your back nigga

i demand my fucking music button. i need more music NOW it keeps stopping

>>2212020
There's a music density slider in the audio settings

>>2211993
yup

>>2212025
seriously? so this means music only plays 20% of the time? because it sure feels like that. holy shit thats dumb.

>>2212042
The game rewards you for actively seeking information on your own.

>>2211788
can you directly choose to debate for a CB, or is the only option to spend 50% support for a CB during a session?

>>2212053
As far as I've played (mid 1400s) there is only the option to spend support.

is there a crack out yet? no way am i buying a full price base paradox game. ever.

>>2211850
my experience so far is that most tags don't want to cough up the extra diplo cap money to join or stay in the coalition IO unless they're really pissed anyway
pretty much the only one that's formed and lasted is when Tunis pissed off a bunch of Christian tags by taking Sicily

YOU GET FURNITURE, HE GETS FURNITURE, EVERYONE GETS FURNITURE!!!

>>2212131
crash your wood price so they make even more money

>>2210287
Half of their land and people being stolen by the Soviets to put into Belarus didn't help.

It is an automation building.
It automates.

>>2212042
It meant that between music tracks, there was a pause of 20% of their max pause length (whatever that is)

>>2212084
Paradox games do not have drm dumbo

It is an optimization building.
It optimizes.

Better or worse than MEIOU 3.0 ? any point in switching yet?

I have mostly unified north and west Ireland as Connacht. Now how do I kick the perfidious ones out? Rush professional armies and start a war while England is busy fighting France in the HYW?

Does Castile has some event to move their capital or did they just use the mechanic to move it down to Seville? I heard it's the most optimal place due to how control spreads however I wouldn't expect the AI to actually do that...

When do you get the next tier of roads (paved)?
These proximity maluses are shit

>Spain colonized the Azores in 1380
Not looking good for me

It's fucked

it's fucking crazy how a small number of professional soldiers with cannons will just rip apart levy armies like 10x their size

What the fuck is going on in Anatolia

>>2212460
He was the 92nd casualty of the Black Plague in all of England. If there's some scripted event to kill The Black Prince or increase his chance of dying I'm going to seethe incredibly hard.

>>2212502
The italo-germanic bvll marches on

>>2212482
let's be honest la, if I'm some asshole with a billhook and a leather cap I'm turning right the fuck around when I see something like that

>heir dies in hunting accident
>heir dies in hunting accident
>heir dies in hunting accident
>heir dies in hunting accident
>heir dies in hunting accident
>heir dies in hunting accident
stop fucking hunting you fucking retards

What's the difference between a vassal and a fiefdom? When should I do one over the other?

>>2212577
They're the same, just mix them up cause having too many of the same type is gonna make them real mad

Aztecs are currently borked. When you complete the "Reform Society" disaster as a Nahuatl you are supposed to get a "Reformed Nahuatl" religion that stops you from having to manage the doom mechanic and removes the debuffs. See this Tinto Talk: https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/developer-diary/tinto-talks-71-9th-of-july-2025.1835118/
However, the event is bugged to only give you the new government reform and not the new religion, so you are fucked. You can even start the "Reform Society" disaster multiple times.

>>2212351
Either try to rush them in a moment of weakness or aim for a long slow colonial vicotory.

Are artists broken? I've got six working on stuff (even though my limit is three) but they've all been stuck at 0% the entire time

>>2212738
are you funding them? I didn't even have the artist funding slider before today's patch

>>2212819
I didn't know I had to do that
Thanks

>takes over 50 years to integrate one single province
>takes over 50 years to annex vassal
so there is just straight up not other way than to play fucking super tall now?

>>2212824
you're welcome bestie

>>2212875
>>takes over 50 years to integrate one single province
>>takes over 50 years to annex vassal
Post some screenshots of the land you're trying to integrate and the vassals you're trying to annex compared to yourself

Am I just crippling myself if I go for religious conversion rather than culture conversion?
It seems like you have to pick one or the other due to each side of spiritualist/humanist crippling the other, but wrong culture prevents you from coring while wrong religion does... nothing much?

>>2210812
think the wiki says a market has to be a port (check wiki I could be wrong), and a bunch of other buildings are restricted to town and above so maybe those two?

>>2210812
a location far enough away from another market or a city
should have like <25% market access irrc

psa you cant have one building use two different production methods in the same location even if you build another one there

It honestly feels like what I wished vic3 was going to be. My only issue is that the ai does literally nothing and is expecially brain damaged during wars (I shouldn't be able to 1v3 because the enemy armies refuse to link up)

So how the FUCK do I remove the ciompi debuff if I don't want to turn into a pleb republic? No way I'll ever get to 40 stability with random -7 stabs chance every 2 years

>Emperor of HRE
>start passing laws/reforming
>woman inherits and cannot be elected Emperor
>retard gets chosen
>reverses everything I did
Now all the little guys are getting eaten and it's all because of that fucking retard Wolgast

>>2213350
Cause you don't have another building there, you've just expanded the first one

The Ottomans are definitely more aggressive after the patch
They were barely moving in this game before and now they're declaring wars on cooldown

>>2212338
I have a lot of autisms and I still find 3.0 too much to actually enjoy. If you like MEIOU (and thus can tolerate shitty user interface) then you will likely enjoy EU5.
>>2213408
Every game I've played has had Bohemia stay extremely strong and no one else ever gets elected. What country were you playing?

>>2213523
I'm Bohemia and I only lost the Emperor title because my King couldn't pop out a male heir

The SECOND a resolution passes in both my union and defense league they start voting on the exact same shit again. The union one especially pisses me off because its screwing with my estates

This is their Magnum Opus
Johan, I kneel

>all that money on food
HELP

>>2213633
Okay, thinking about it, I think I screwed myself thinking I can promote peasants into non-food production without consequences.

>>2212338
It's a sidegrade. Better in some ways, worse in others.

Dealing with the constant policy change spam of this defensive league was really fucking annoying but holy shit it paid off when I converted to Hussite
Get fucked, Pope. Me and the boys are coming to burn down Rome.

>>2213633
total urbanite bankruptcy