Thread 2208491

So, given fairly successful release of EUV it is certain that no Paradox shutdown will be happening in foreseeable future. That begs the question - what's next? Both Stellaris and HoI4 will be decade old next year. And while HoI4 is still very popular, Stellaris is falling more and more behind while getting plagued with technical issues, bugs, shit performance and the botched 4.0 rework. Maybe We will see Stellaris 2 announced next year? Or will they just keep milking these games until last drop? Any other ideas?

>what's next
You making a whole bunch of retarded threads

March of the Eagles 2

>>2208491 (OP)
They have been pretty clear that HOI5 is next after EUV.
CK3 dev cycle has atleast 7 more years of DLC.
HOI4 DLC is coming to a close in a year or so - Probably no more major DLC.
Vic 3 is in a shit state but theyre still trying. Most likely it will be abandoned because of EUV's success unfortunately (fortunately). I dont think anyone really wants to sit through 5 more years of DLC before changing production methods is finally "fun".
Stellaris is showing its age and lack of polish really bad now but you know they will be supporting it until atleast EOY 2026. I dont think anyone wants Stellaris 2 though. They know it, we know it. Stellaris is kind of dead. The space sandbox is boring and stale. They gave up on player freedom a long time ago.

EUV looks good I dont think its the definitive /ourgsg/. A lot of people dont really care for the time period and it runs like stellaris does in late game ten years ago but all the time.
I'm glad they made it mechanically distinct from all the other PDX games but still kept some familiar concepts.
PDX looks like it's done making slop. It's just that EUV is pretty much the only good release since 2019.

>>2208491 (OP)
VtMB 2 in 10 years inshallah

Johan will rebuild his aborted fetus imperator rome and finally redeem himself

>>2208608
Hopefully

>>2208491 (OP)
archive of how hoi4 looked shortly after release for all the shills who insist everything is fine

>>2208582
vic 3 should be abandoned altogether because eu5 is the perfect platform for a vicky overhaul mod

>>2209044
uhhh, what am I supposed to see in there, anon?

>>2209047
Extended timeline mod is already in development. Give it about a year or so.

>>2208491 (OP)
>fairly successful release of EUV
Looks like the paracuck cope still flows strong

>>2209137
What would You consider as a successful release?

>>2209044
hoi4 is bad though

>>2209161
Surpassing 9 years old HOI4 and 5 years old CK3 on players and steam reviews. Hell, forget surpassing, it didn't even come close, lol.

I just can not believe Paradox reversed their 12-13 year run of oversimplication and made a pretty complex game
I'm worried it won't do well going forward as they've cultivated a retarded audience

>>2209174
Bruh CK3 is a piece of shit still, but if you look at the steam reviews on launch you’d think it was Paradox’s magnum opus or some shit, also EU5 is beating both HOI and CK in player count rn, do you live under a rock?

>>2209137
Stop posting pictures of children you gay pedophile.

>>2209179
>Bruh CK3 is a piece of shit still
So is EUV, except its reviews are even lower than V3.

>>2208491 (OP)
Paradox buys Darth Vader from the chinks and together they deliver a proper Napoleon era ultimate general game with a proper political campaign mode (real time with pause) and a flashed out combat system capable handling up to 10k troops on the battlefield

>>2209184
So if you agree thy at CK3 sucks, then why are you putting any weight on steam reviews? Need I remind you how Vic3 reviews looked at launch? The fact of the matter is the EUV came out in a far more fleshed out state than CK3 or Vic3 ever did

>>2209178
https://files.catbox.moe/jkl6mw.webm

>>2209224
I'm not clicking that shit after the pedo spammer in prior threads

>>2209204
Steam reviews show that EU5 sucks way more than CK3, and even more than the utter shit that was V3. Sad that you can't cope with this.

>>2208491 (OP)
Hearts of Iron 5, of course.
That game is approaching 10 year old now, a sequel is more or less due.
If Paradox are feeling especially daring they could try making a Cold War game.

>>2209174
>expecting good reviews for a paradox game on launch

>>2209178
Both V3 and EU5 seem to be filtering brainlets hard.

>>2209284
cope and mald /gsg/ tranny
eu v is good
life is good
pull your shit together and stop bitching

>>2209284
>EU5 sucks way more than CK3, and even more than the utter shit that was V3
This is so obviously false on its face that you just look silly for saying things like this.

>>2208491 (OP)
Fantasy Stellaris equivalent seems like a no brainer, shit like Anbennar shows people are hungry for fantasy grand strategy. Right now the closest is Age of Wonders but that's very much a 4x game focused on tactical unit control in battles with the city development and politics as minor elements

>>2209668
>Both V3 and EU5 seem to be filtering brainlets hard.
EU5 yes, V3 never filtered anyone

>>2209677
>paracucks are coping
>life is good
Indeed.
>>2209727
If it's so false, then why can't it beat HOI and CK, lmao. Get lose, vickyfag.
>>2209178
>>2209668
>>2210254
>A game that literally tells people to put itself on automation
>Good
>Ever filtering anyone but people with good taste and the sense of self-respect
Top kek schizo paracuck cope.

hello I like playing netherlands
though i do wonder who the best to form it with is, there's a case to be made for holland but also one for brabant

Imperator is the comfiest setting, no need to worry about reconquering anything, the whole civilized world is Greek, you can just chill and wait for the birth of Christ

>>2210266
you have mental issues but at least you're not shooting up schools

>>2210266
I was playing Europa Universalis before you were alive. Fuckin' come at me, bro, I'll fuck you up.

>>2208582
hoi5 is the one they must put their utmost effort into

it's the studio's most culturally influential franchise even if ck sales more

it'd be hard to balance hoi5 between meme players' taste and hardcore's. becoming meme factory is both a blessing and a curse for the series

>>2210254
Here's your (you). Feel free to reply when you're feeling less disingenuous.

>>2210419
It also caused the forums to get overrun with fascists and miscellaneous nationalist scum, and admitting to playing Hearts of Iron will cause ridicule.

>>2210512
I dont care about HOI, but I would imagine a WWII sim would bring out a ton of unironic nazis and tankies to live out their retarded “what if” alt-history fantasy

>>2210524
It's less about that, and more about Paradox trying to be neutral on fascism or any politics, and make no mention of any war crimes.

It is literally the best media portrayal fascists could hope for.

>>2210527
I mean Paradox downplaying some of the horrible stuff that happened in history to try and be as neutral as possible is not surprising, neither CK2 nor 3 makes any mention of slavery, even though it was still a massive deal back in the Middle Ages. I guess they felt it was unavoidable for the EU games because of the even more ubiquitous role slavery had in the early modern era. But with recent modern era stuff it’s even trickier, because you’re stuck having to either stay neutral for the sake of the simulation and leave a bare bones depiction of certain factions which could server as positive portrayal by virtue of not being a condemnation, or go full nuclear and attempt to condemn what we would consider unflattering factions at the expense of the simulation. It’s a damned if you do, damned if you don’t situation with Paradox and HOI

>>2210527
>>2210527

>muh nationalist scum... playing a WORLD WAR BETWEEN NATIONS simulator

Do you know where you are?

>picrel; its you (go back)

>>2210546
Yes. In fact, I regularly flame the shit-for-brains around here.

And I very much enjoyed the seethe over the Economy of Conquest rework.

The actual problem is that devs can't have too much fun, because alt-history is serious business according to those dregs of society. (it's not, and never will be)

>>2210536
It's not about condemnation, as it's perfectly possible to incorporate war crimes into gameplay. Particularly with the topic of food. Troops need to be fed, after all. And food spent on "useless eaters" or POWs is not being sent to the troops. As is telling troops to forage at the expense of native population. Of course, out of 2.3 million Japanese military deaths, 1.4 million was due to disease and starvation.

>>2210574
>Allowing you to play as Germany without having a Treblinka jew roasting minigame is... le bad.... Just like writing REVISIONIST HISTORY BOOKS

Truly a towering intellect

>>2210588
>WW2 sans war crimes
>bad
Yes. No mention of chemical weapons being used against Ethiopians, either.

By the way, the British were going to use chemical weapons, if Germany ever got Sea Lion off. Contemplate THAT particular alt-history.

>>2208608
I really don't think that is going to happen.
If I understood it correctly, Johan had to beg the higher-ups to fund Imperator, and I don't think they will give him another chance.
It'd be more realistic if Wiz took charge of such project, and made into VIC3-like

>>2210512
>Oh no, a game that caused normal thoughts to occur instead of the egalitarian brain rot destroying society!

Like it or not, browns still aren't people, Anon. No amount of hating HOI or the people that like HOI is going to change the fact that nationalism and fascism are a natural reaction to subhumans existing.

>>2210574
>>2210527
>>2210592
anon, communism is bad

>>2208582
Regarding V3, I feel like EU5 is cutting into it a bit with the resources and production methods, population and nation building aspect. You can't build a tranny multiculti anarchist commune in 1880 in this one so maybe there's still some appeal to V3 but I'm not sure if it can sustain both games. If EU5 goes well Vic might get less support in the long run.

>>2210709
if they increase character interactions and importance it may even kill ck3

Im still surprised there are dynasty trees and put relatives on a throne.

>>2208491 (OP)
Cant believe HOI4 is already a decade old... It always feels like it was just released yesterday... what the fuck. Im already in my 20s

>>2210588
Slave labour was extensively used to sustain the German war effort though

>>2209174
Tranny

>>2210536
>neither CK2 nor 3 makes any mention of slavery, even though it was still a massive deal back in the Middle Ages.
But CK3 mentions slavery? When You start as an Chaliph in 867 there's scripted event to fire about Zanj slave uprising You'll have to deal with. When You play in subsaharan africa and You get raided, from time to time an event can fire about You dealing with the slavers. Or when You raid, one of the three events that can fire is about You taking slaves for Your capital to boost Your development progress. Or You forcibly taking concubines You manage to capture in raids?

>>2211272
I forgot about the zanj event, shame it isn’t any different from a regular peasant uprising practically speaking. Concubines are a thing, but other than specific characters being captured, raids don’t have any meaningful way to show the transfer of slaves and overall population, let alone a functioning slave trade. And one development buff that sometimes shows up after sacking a castle is really all they have to show for it? EU4’s depiction of slavery is also pretty bad and haphazard, but at least is represented by a tangible trade good. my point was that CK3 doesn’t make the adequate depiction of slavery that it should, primarily because of limitations with the game itself. I guess there is SOME level of “slavery” depicted in the CK games, just not a very good one imo.

>>2208491 (OP)
not paying 60 for a game that will only turn good in a few years like all paradox releases

>>2208491 (OP)
I have a friend who works at paradox and he said they're making a crusader kings game set during the Victorian Era

>>2209044
We had low standards back then and the game wasn't full of trannies

>>2211359
You're absolutely right. During the time period of CK3 Arabs were raiding Anatolia, subsaharan and eastern Africa for slaves, in years between 900 and 1200, Prague was capital city of pagan slavic slave trade, Khazar slave trade was notorious for selling slavic slaves to Arabs and Persians too. And while CK3 does mention slavery, it's on very miniscule and watered down scale. I mean, there isn't even enough room to mention it more when peak economy in CK3 is staring on a development scale moving from 0 to 100 and the target audience is women and niggers. And We all know how these groups reacts to mentions of slavery.

CK3 could have been absolute kino would it have implemented something like Sinews of War mod from the release. Shame that mod is discontinued.

>>2210360
Surreal paracuck cope.
>>2210392
Get a load of this zoomer, lmao.

>>2210524
>tankies
>to live out their retarded “what if” alt-history fantasy
>tankies
>“what if” alt-history fantasy
U ok, libshit cuck clown? How's weather in Brussels?

>>2211721
Holy seethe
>>2211712
Pretty sure Zhangs outnumber the rest of the playerbase

>>2211798
The monuments to my liberator forefathers are standing on your cucked land, libshit clown. Tankies are playing the actual history in HOI.
But I have more respect for neo-Nazis with their retarded alt history fantasies, than for the cucked libshit yropeens mumbling something about "war crimes", "bad totalitarianism" and other pathetic faggot-enabler squeaking. Get lost.

>>2208491 (OP)
Heart of Iron 5.

Honestly, I hope we get a total overhaul as well. I have my love of HOI4 but it's bloated with bad design decisions at this point.

>>2211835
Severe mental illness post

>>2208491 (OP)
I really want a Stellaris II with better performance taking advantage of newer CPUs so it doesn’t bog down in late game, I think a functional AI should be their second priority, I don’t know how feasible it is technically, but I really want a tactical mode for ship combat

>>2208491 (OP)
>HoI4 decade old
huh, i would never have guessed. i just play HoI3.

damn Robbie seems quite madge

>>2208491 (OP)
They are probably going to be working on DLC and improvements for EU5 for a long time. From a publisher's perspective that's the point of making such a broad, systems driven game, you can use it as a platform for a lot of other content.

>>2208491 (OP)
>What's next?
Hopefully, adding good music. EU5 music sucks balls

>>2212519
I liked it… it’s not a lot of variety rn mind you, but I’m partial to it, better than CK2’s bland mush of generic orchestral medieval tunes.

>>2211929
Good that you had your severe triggered butthurt response ready on demand.

>>2212550
Unholy levels of projection

>6 hours in
>Approaching the 1390s
This shit is way too slow.

Idk, I liked CK2 music probably most out of all paradox games. Ck2 has bangers like Alexander Nevsky rides to battle, Gulf of Riga, Fifth Crusade or Legacy of Rome. No other games comes even close.

>>2209179
CK3 will be good in 2028 doe

hoi3 but with vicky 2 pops

REMINDER
Eu5 is chudcoded
Only
>Brown
>Tranny
>REDDIT
>Eu4 manababbies
Are seething at this game
Pops plus eu3 is kino
White man wins
Johan won

This is my fist GSG and I have no idea what I'm supposed to be doing, I feel like most of the time I'm just "watching" the map waiting for stuff to be done, is that the correct way to be playing? I still have questions:

>How do I get more pops to fill missing jobs
>How do I make unprofitable building profitable
>Should I just be building a ton of shit or make it as needed
>How often should I be building new cities, how many is too many

My immediate goals are:

>Conquer Granada
>Move the capital (I fixed the book shortage but now I need more money)

Looking at the map, seeing everything working and the music really make my brain happy but I'm completely fucking lost even after watching a "guide" video.

>>2213480
>This is my fist GSG and I have no idea what I'm supposed to be doing,
Hey, same here except this is my third gsg haha
>I feel like most of the time I'm just "watching" the map waiting for stuff to be done, is that the correct way to be playing
Yeah
Also, I don't think conquering stuff is THAT urgent in this game, specially when you are a big nation from the start

>>2213480
>This is my fist GSG and I have no idea what I'm supposed to be doing, I feel like most of the time I'm just "watching" the map waiting for stuff
Spend your money to build stuff and open trade routes. Because tnyea, just keep playing and eventually you will understand. A YouTube video helps here or there, but you gotta put it into practice.

>>2212519
I found 2 10/10 tracks so far. But to be fair one of them is from Bach

>>2213480
I think Granada is supposed to be a subject to Morocco, but it doesn’t matter, I intervened in their first war and took a bunch of land from them, now Granada is all alone in Iberia.

Some games feel the same in terms of progression after 1-2 runs, especially 4x. I know you can "set" different goals but it all feels the same regardless and your race/faction/country w/e end up just being cosmetic is that the case with GSG and EU?

>>2210592
Nevermind chemical weapons, Operation Vegetarian was only cancelled because Overlord was advancing too quickly. If they got stalled in Normandy the eternal Anglo was 100% prepared and ready to render at least half of Europe uninhabitable for at least half a century.

>>2213831
Hearts of Iron 5 War Crimes Edition would go extremely hard, filter a lot of nationalist scum, and also cause several diplomatic incidents. Winston "Keep England white is a good slogan" Churchill would be the new darling of the chuds, though.

>Brit glowies flying Franco from the Canaries
>refusing Abwehr offers to coup Hitler
>Brits giving Czechoslovak gold to the Nazis
>Unit 731 was NOT the only Unit

Why are all my estates broke? Why do they have three times the expenses as they have income? Did I fuck up or did Paradox really balance it that badly?

I get to the next month in speed five in like 9 seconds. It took me quite some time to hit the 1400s.
How good is that? How bad is that?
I have a Ryzen 5 3600 and 16GB of RAM. Is it really time to upgrade?
Pls respond.

how do I decrease my antagonism
I'm getting endless coalitions against me because it never decreases

>>2213935
I have 12700kf, 4070s and 32GB ram. What GPU do You have? GPU might slow You down too. My GPU is using around 85% on high details. As of right now, around year 1420, it takes me about 4s to pass a month on speed 5. I wonder how it'll run in 1700s. If it runs well on speed 3, on which I personally play most, You can keep what You have. I personally would try to upgrade if I could. At least for another AM4 processor like 9 5900XT and some 2x16GB ram. Not very expensive and You can keep mobo for now.

>small cunt
>barely manage to conquer a couple of provinces
>everyone around me allies at least 4 tags or more
At least I am not dying as I should have, can only get two allies or scam a big tag into a defensive pact at best.
>be broke small tag
>build a bunch of buildings
>income goes from 0.2 to 2
>build some more
>Income is now 1.5
What the fuck gives, should have just bought a castle insted, it pays itself by being cool

>>2214232
Dynamic economy can be a bitch. One of the things you were producing probably dropped in demand.

>>2214278
The thing that frustrate me is that everyone around me seems to be able to just spam buildings, I have no idea where do they get the money

>>2214315
What tag are you playing? Are you automating trade? For a quick cash influx you can ask parliament for extra taxes.

>>2214334
I playing as some inland OPM in the Lubeck trade node, can't remember the name lmao

>>2210120
I'd say this, but Paradox is absolutely dogshit at doing their own worldbuilding, as Stellaris demonstrated. The smart move would be to hire the Abnennar team and give them direct access to Clausewitz with full time salaries so they can make an Anbennar standalone game.

>>2211835
Your liberator brothers are being reduced to piles of meat and bone in Ukraine as we speak. Maybe focus a bit more on helping them and less on jerking off to a bunch of dead red army cuckolds.

>>2210512
Die in a fire, commie.

I bought the game because the only pirated link I found had a virus.

>>2214035
Thak you a lot for the reply and the recommended CPU, anon.
I have a 3060Ti so I don't think that's the problem. As far as I understand there is no difference in performance from high settings to mid.
It may be time to upgrade the CPU and the RAM, although I'm not sure if I really want to do it if this seems to be the only game that needs it. It really bugs me I can play Battlefield 6 on ultra but then my PC struggles with EU V.

no province history? Population graphs? such a missed fucking opportunity

>>2214717
More opportunities for DLCs :)

eu5 won big time sisters!
only 15x times the sales needed to come close to eu4 level of sales!

>>2214717
Did you play the game? We do have pop statistics, I bet we also have province history but I personally wouldn't know since I didn't use that feature even in eu4

>>2208491 (OP)
Holy shit EU5 might actually be GOTY

Is there a way to have the flat map and also have the toy soldiers predent? I see some youtubers have that but I can't find the setting.

>>2214919
I think it's disable 3d terrain in graphics settings. Toy soldiers you might be talking about 'Single Unit Armies' also in graphics settings

>>2214919
Also could set 'flat map mode' to always in map settings

>>2214938
>>2214944
I have the "paper map" on but I can't see my troops. They are just indicators on the map.
Here you can see Laith as an example of what I'm talking about. It may be because he's at war? That makes no sense.

>>2214703
That's what I hate on paradox games. No matter how many cores Your CPU has it is still too reliant on that single-core performance. Other games are better at utilizing other cores. Black friday should be soon, take a look, maybe You'll be able to land some worthwhile deal. DDR4 is nothing too expensive and You just swap for Your old one, CPU with same socket might need at worst just BIOS upgrade. Ask Yourself how many hours do You plan to sink in this game, that'll give You the answer whether to upgrade or not.

>>2214838
Why? This is... actual history?

Christian Doctrine forbade Christians from being professional moneylenders because it disallowed usury, so Christians charging interest on loans was not allowed. And Muslims had taken that part of doctrine from Christianity. But it wasn't in Jewish doctrine, so Jews were the only faith that allowed themselves to be moneylenders in a way that they could make profit and stay in business.

>>2208491 (OP)
Maybe Espiocracy takes of and they try their hand at a Cold War game

>>2208582
>I'm glad they made it mechanically distinct from all the other PDX games but still kept some familiar concepts.
Don't worry, we saw that with Stellaris already: they will now actively start to dismantle everything unique about EU5, until it's as bad as Stellaris.
>is pretty much the only good release since 2019.
Reminder that CK3 was a sudden success that nobody expected and their most polished release in literal decade... so they've decided to fuck that up and squander any potential or goodwill.

>>2210419
>it's the studio's most culturally influential franchise even if ck sales more
He said in an EU thread
How does it feel to be a zoomershit that joined the train with GoY$?

>>2214838
>>2215418
>Zoomers are shocked by a basic historical trivia
The absolute state of fucking education

>>2216430
At what version/DLC should I stop playing Stellaris?

>>2216526
play the game and figure it out yourself, dont let tards ruin your fun

>>2216441
They learn more from video games and YouTube videos now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UE7nd36EpRU

>>2214315
Uhhh, broski? Your minting? Your loans? Do you even MMT?

hoi 5 will be next and will have a vic 3 lite economy. Eu v showed the way