Thread 2210724

A toast to /mbg/

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>Thread(looted): >>2178900

Why do the Battanians have more Roman looking helmets than the Imperials?

Why don't any of the imperial units actually use any of the kettle helmets they have as culturally theirs?

>>2210739
some of the helmets are on point for the late roman era
no idea why legionaries wear conic helmets associated with auxiliary archers

>>2210745
Conic helmets are good if they're supposed to be more 9th and 10th century byzantines but it's hideously inconsistent and half-hearted who gets them or what the stat progression is. Also they all use the really ugly shit variants like the laced cloth or leather coif that has low res textures and looks warband graphics tier, not to mention the mail texture is the worst. They also don't have the leather strips from the goddamn loading screen, which credit where due at least OSP actually adds, among all the other bloat.

Imo the empire spear troops should split off at tier 3 instead of 4 and the conic helmets should be used by them while the legionaries use spangenhelms and ridge helms. I'd also make the menavliatons have mail coifs with face covering so they actually look byzantine.

Slavanon won

>>2206642
>Empire
>works as generalized faction
The fuck you are even on?
All Empire has is decent heavy infantry. Their ranged line is underwhelming archer, underwhelming crossbowman and dreadfully bad horse archer. Their cavalry is their noble unit that's just a lance knight.
Compare it with Aserai, which is the actual generalist faction, with solid infantry, solid ranged options, decent cavalry, actual skirmishers and one of the more unique noble units (even if it's still a cavalry). They have no weak spots, and they have all-around decent unit with decent power level.
Literally the only bad part about Aserai is shitty local economy - sure, it's secured from raids, but it's awful for making any real profit or even setting up profitable workshops

Doubling it just in case of anon missing the post from previous thread

>>2210724 (OP)
WAR SAILS SOON
but
Dickplomacy for Bonerlord when?

hopefully never, retarded coomer

>captain shuffling when joining battle
>bots still don't kick/bash
>kingdoms still don't declare war if you don't form a kingdom
>no Gangs of Glasgow port

>>2211162
>>bots still don't kick/bash
i can almost swear i remember getting pommel bashed once

>>2210804
>underwhelming crossbowman
Can you really say this when only two factions have crossbows?

>>2210745
>>2210739
They wear them because the game seems to have mostly dropped the actual dark age style for a more late dark age - high medieval feel. I mean look at the Vlandians. So the Roman faction is more akin to the 10th-11th century style Romans.

Guess it makes sense, it's only 200 years before Bannerlord and they already have plate armor by that time. Also fantasy game where vikings still exist alongside knights.

>>2211881
i'm fine with them being anachronistic as hell considering everything else in Calradia, i just wish their aesthetics were stronger.Their low tier units look a bit too raggedy and monotone in whatever clan/faction colors they have because they rely so much on padding and leather, and have zero metal until the trained infantryman, and their higher tier units have a very sterile not-a-knight look with all the polished metal which would be fine if it was anything else, but doesn't scream Legionary. I think they just need more secondary colors and ornaments. Pteruges on all the brimmed helmets, coifs that actually close and protect the neck, more capes instead of scarves.

>>2212030
though a lot of it may come down to just how poorly fit some of the armors in Bannerlord are, looking really baggy and fat all the time.

>>2212030
True, tbf i wish that for nearly every faction, low-mid tiers just arent cool looking half the time. Even base warband at least made the lower tiers look pretty cool decently kitted last i remember.

>>2210724 (OP)
Does this shit have good economy and bandit spawns yet? I really want to like it but the cities producing jack and shit really put me off.

>>2212093
as I recall the primary means of dosh is doing jobs for various guilds and dungeons, you can also buy cheaper goods from empire and pump them back into your workshops
here is my screen of "economy"
there are a lot of cities with negative income from various workshops, as much as I want to diversify my workshops it's just not happening, there is no point in bakeries producing 63 gold per week

>>2212093
>>2212147
Damn I'm playing 1257 but you nibbas are making me wanna try a newer version of TESmod

For me it's Empire women.

So boats really? why would I give a fuck about the forced VIKANGZ expansion fuck off. somehow there are still no feasts

>>2213646
feasts were never good

we should have something better than "NPCs drop everything to stand around doing nothing on a random city with no cooldown or condition flags whatsoever"

>>2213651
it was just nice to have a place to do character interaction. now that is a soulless cringe measure. and sure it wasn't some grand feature but to ditch it entirely is simply lazy.

>>2213656
menu, not measure* typo

>>2212432
Yeah it's a pretty good mod despite some flaws and kind of a way too big map.

>>2213646
never understood why people cream themselves over feasts of all things
>bunch of retards standing around
>+2 Lord Analingus relationship increase
>followed by school girl gossip

>>2213656
>>2213658
If they can dump dev time into bullshit like stealth they can do better than that. Feasts as just random slumber parties for lords will suck even harder if implemented like it was because of all the extra mechanics attached now, lords will probably go broke and lose their fiefs or die of old age childless because not enough time at home.

The best replacement is doubtlessly fixed factionwide annual events or clan + factionwide events.
-every year every faction should have a harvest festival at the start of winter where all the yearly harvest of grain and other food spawns in the town markets and a spring festival at the end
-every faction should have a cultural celebration with rituals and ceremonies the lords and faction leaders need to participate in for influence
-births and weddings get a clan-wide party thrown with friends invited that must bring gifts for a relationship gain
-deaths get a funeral with faction wide invitations where just attending gives relationship points unless you were enemies and it just makes you look like a bastard
-at events lords have to give speeches and your speechcraft skill gets skill-checked, steward if you're hosting
-games and dances held

>painted on nipples on Daedric Armor
I don't like it

>>2211535
I'd say so because their archers are kind of also underwhelming for the same reason. They only use 3 weapon slots. They don't even have a small shield for utility when they run out of ammo.
Give them a shield, then give the sturgian archers a second set of ammo. Now the imperial ranged units are true jack of all trades units and the sturgian archers at least have an ammunition advantage to make them less bad.

>>2214043
Just a bit of flavour for the world, plus yknow.. they could always improve them in the sequel.

>>2214015
Ahhh they're all flawed somewhere
Only problem I was just getting good with my legion game and a newer version will mean starting from scratch, but I also don't want to carry on with the old version

>>2214043
It's largely just a touchstone for the lack of features in BL as a whole.

>>2212432
For some reason 1257 is still my favorite. It's just so good, plus my 10+ year old nostalgia.
I found a rare 1257 AD remaster from 2021 by the guy that did the Italian Wars mod, it's called "1257 AD Dark Ages". It's quite good, reworks all the troop trees, adds new factions, and removes features that were never finished. Even has new sounds
But the author is some autistic moron because he wiped all his mods off the internet after getting mad at users making suggestions for his mods. I still have it though

>>2210724 (OP)
Bannerlord's map is a mess.
Map looks random generated.
Does anyone actually enjoy conquering it?

>>2214043
it's sovlfvl. instead of lords warring 24/7, it feels like they have other shit to do in their lives.
>>2215429
>Does anyone actually enjoy conquering it?
no
but now that you've mentioned it, i did conquer it several times. maybe 5. and i've also conquered warband maybe 6 or 7 times over the years but conquering warband felt like a monumental achievement while it's meh in bannerlord.
i'm wondering how long does a warband playthrough take until you can defeat any faction vs how long does a bannerlord one take.
i think you progress much faster in bannerlord.
maybe there is something i'm missing?
thoughts?

>>2215343
Yeah 1257 holds a special place for me
I'm just playing some sort of EE currently, no idea what it does or what the difference between this and the other editions are tbqh

>>2211535
Yes, because their crossbowmen simply suck. They don't shoot too well and they don't fight in melee too well. They also suck in sieges as defense force (unless you auto-resolve). They are basically Vlandian crossbowmen, but one tier lower when it comes to everything that makes them.
And because they have crossbowmen and the exact same line ALSO has horse archers, AI armies end up having insufficient amount of archers to make them useful, bad crossbowmen that take slots AND a token force of horse archers that could be ignored to make room for either regular archers or cavalry.
Crossbowmen actively make imperial armies weaker and easier to defeat.

>>2215473
I haven't played Bannerlord so I can't say whatever it is faster.
But yes, conquest in Warband was very slow even after I had conquered half of the map, you'd think it would become faster but every site resisted very hard and some of my vassals kept defecting, so I had to reconquer castles

>>2215583
i've never just accepted anyone as a vassal in warband.
i either recruited upstanding lords exclusively with only 1 or 2 martials to appoint as marshalls.
or i took in whole families.
i didn't have to reconquer castles at all yet it was still slow.

>>2215429
i really wonder what the hell they're gonna change in War Sails because my main, overwhelming srouce of frustration with the Bannerlord map is that neither hills nor river make geological sense. On the eastern side, there's no fucking clear indication whether the big lake(Lake Tanaesis?) is drained INTO by the rivers north and south, or drains OUT to them. I always assumed they drained out because to the south there's something like fertile crescent between two of those rivers, and to the north it somehow diverts and converges and the tributaries either make a 180 degree turn into the flow or the flow just goes the other way and switches randomly.

The rivers in the continent itself are also really stupid. The big pond by Saenopa has a river just flow into it year long without anywhere to drain to, it's obviously supposed to be some kind of volcanic caldera but it's location doesn't work for that because it'd just overflow SOMEWHERE, and it'd make more sense if it did so down to the same river that goes by Phycaon. Meanwhile the river that does go by Saenopa would be much better connecting with the one that goes to Argoron, that way you have the continent and especially the imperial heartlands have a clearly defined somewhat smooth sea lane into it from both north and south, and those rivers would define the geography much better as a natural barrier meaning you don't need everything to be a fucking Turkish mountain ridgeline maze.

i made this image several years ago and i still am annoyed the map never got better.

>>2215996
your rivers make a lot more sense,
Regarding the map itself, I wonder what the devs' intention was with the map. Warband they had very clearly goal:
>let's make every region as unique as we can.
But their motto in Bannerlord seems to have been, "how many random mountains can be cram into the map?

>>2215343
>. I still have it though
upload it on gofile please

>>2216100
It's clear the Bannerlord map was built from the ground up to create a lot of lanes for parties to be forced to fight eachother and to slow down steamrolling because they couldn't figure out how to make it work with gameplay mechanics alone, and also to make it feel larger by making many A to B travels require a lot of detours.

>>2215343
>But the author is some autistic moron because he wiped all his mods off the internet after getting mad at users
Every fucking time.

>>2216146
I like reuploading it from time to time just to spite him

Introducing 1257: Dark Ages (2021) by the retarded talented autist zedpaolo.
Based on the 1257 AD source code released by the original team a few years ago. This is a decent, stable, and polished release of the old classic that only stayed up for a few months before he ragenuked all his mods.

Link: https://gofile.io/d/kUjofj
Link will delete after 10 days

You CAN get it to work with WSE2 but you have to modify its skins.txt file first. If anyone is curious I can post a guide

First Cao Cao poster
Then his son, and his son's son
Like leaves in fall, gone

I am the latest
in his august line to ask:
Where Three Kingdoms mod?

>>2210724 (OP)
Is there a mod for Bannerlord that changes the UI to something more comfy like in Warband?

>>2216415
>Their leader was a man of medium stature with small eyes and a long beard. He was Cao Cao, a Beijuo man, holding the rank of General of the Flying Cavalry. His father was Cao Song, but he was not really a Cao. Cao Song had been born to the Xiahou family, but he had been brought up by Eunuch Cao Teng and had taken this family name
That's the introduction of Cao Cao in Moss Roberts' translation. I keep getting confused by it. I'm not sure what flying cavalry is, I cannot find anything...
This translation is confusing for no real reason for example
>So Liu Bei set off and marched as quickly as possible to Yingchuan.
So, I don't know what Yingchuan is. I presumed it was a city, because in China, there is a major city called Yingchuan, but turns out this Yingchuan refers not to the city of Yingchuan, but the Commandery of Yiangchian, which is very far from Yingchuan City. Moss could have made it more implicit.

>>2216317
Based autist spiter

>>2216451
It's not a real title, autistbro. During YT rebellion Cao Cao was Captain of the Cavalry (騎都尉) and closer Dong Zhuo's rise would get appointed Colonel Who Arranges the Army (典軍校尉).

what do you guys think of World of Vasnar? For me is very good

>>2216891
One of the best active Warband mods. Shame the author is kind of a self-confessed amateur at modding and so changing the gameplay past the hobo stage or even just adding Diplomacy is too complicated for him.

>>2216317
Thanks anon, how does this compare to phrost's version? I've been thinking of trying that one.

>>2217044
1257 EE is about making 1257 bigger and better. It is probably better in terms of scope and ambition. 1257 Dark Ages is more like narrowing the original mod's scope to something that is polished and straight forward. You get the big map, cool new assets, some new factions. But there aren't any really cool new features, and the half finished features of the original are stripped away.
Another version I liked was Medieval Conquests. That author somehow stole the source code before the modders released it and added a lot of cool new features like factions splitting up and having civil wars. But it's not that polished (though stable)

>>2216154
>>2215996
I was in a shitcord that some devs would visit, apparently the new map was made last minute, like less than a month before release just for the sake of being new

>>2217154
I fucking believe it. There's no other explanation why Sargot moved from the northern shore to the south where Rhodoks would end up being, or how Jelkala, Uxhal and Yalen swapped places randomly

There was this map mod that fixed damn near every issue i had with the basegame map but was unfortunately left behind and never updated again, Calradia Expanded i think. It's a massive shame.

>>2216554
translation literally refers to it as
>holding the rank of General of the Flying Cavalry
it if it's supposed to be a nickname it is horrible explained

>>2217390
i think he meant titles had no real executive authority and were given just to give honors to someone.
japan titles had no authority either in the sengoku era.
t. t. read Furuta Oribe's manga

>>2217123
You seem to know alot about 1257 shoot offs. care to expand more? Also downloaded the dark ages one and is WSE required?

>>2217390
>>2217414
I meant is as in it's just a fictitious rank Luo Guanzhong made up for the book. Tiger General from Five Tiger Generals wasn't ever an actual rank either.

>>2215473
Conquest in BL is definitely faster, which imo is due to the game mechanics: sieges are easier/more managable, armies are much easier to manage since all you really need is influence instead of being marshall, Lords are less autonomous so they're less of a hassle to wrangle, oh and you can become king (insanely easy) that's a big one to me. The game is all around just easier than Warband for some good reasons and some bad reasons.

>Install Dickplomacy Reloaded because it has a lot of QoL stuff I like
>Disable sexual content
>Women still spawn half naked with bikini armor that clips into their body

>>2216415
What about that Dynasty Warriors mod?

>>2219590
If I wanted shit,
I would have checked the outhouse.
Fucking idiot.

>>2219526
This is the most ideal way to play M&B; it's the best vanilla+ mod out there and bikini armor is peak.

>>2220340
Just wish I could fix the armor.
Because it sits up way higher than it's supposed to and doesn't cover their nipples.

modders updating for 1.3 beta to please updooting beggars are cucks.

prove me wrong

pro tip: you can't

>>2220340
I can fix her

>>2217169
old map

>>2220615
>Batannia doesn't have its big loch
>Sturgia map is still fucked
>Aserai are now also super spread out
I see why the scale of the map was changed

>>2220615
>Sargot in the north
VGH

>>2220615
Ah yes, the "chili sea" version.

its crazy how sargot being in the completely wrong place was due to a dev who had no idea about warband, and then TW were too lazy to ever fix it since launch, and even went so far as to retroactively justify/retcon sargots new placement by making up shitty lore about how "sargot" means "fortress" or something and claimed that "a lot of towns and cities have throughout the ages been called sargot."

fucking faggots

>>2221097
>gone, all gone

now, you remember

>>2221097
>and even went so far as to retroactively justify/retcon sargots new placement by making up shitty lore about how "sargot" means "fortress" or something and claimed that "a lot of towns and cities have throughout the ages been called sargot."
kek i've missied this part

>>2221097
it was pretty funny watching them double down on every minor issue they fucked up

>>2220615
the big chonker continent with almost no water and the massive dry wasteland east and south is giving me a bit of anxiety, at least the new map improved on THAT front

the best thing about poop was the enemy cav AI always attacking from behind.
does RBM AI have this behavior?

why is smithing cock blocking me between 75 and 100?
I can make 10k+ per day already at clan rank 1 but the XP isn't budging (5 skill points, both smiths. just trained the scout and medic up to deal with charcoal too so my main character can actually do something else like run out of stamina smelting throwing knives for metal)

none of the youtube guides work how they say, you don't just magically level up 100 levels from making a too high difficulty weapon anymore. I have been doing this for THREE actual hours im bored.

>>2221936
there is a bug that resets smithed weapons pieces to tier 1 when you load your save sometimes.
don't bother with smithing for now.

>>2221962
im not on the new patch, ps4 didn't get it. "inb4 omg console gamer lol", I don't need it. just tell me how to break smithing. please. thanks.

>>2221979
i don't remember running into your issue on 1.2.12
is playstation even on that patch?
is the smithing skill colored red? attribute+focus points determine the maximum smithing skill for a character.

>>2222001
i'm not even halfway through the green (6 end, so far, 5 skill) i'm not, well i'm definitely retarded sometimes but not when it comes to video games and math.

just made a vlouge that sells for 7k, smith coalbiter got two levels from it, but a V tier only fine steel pole is worthless and didn't level anything.

i'm genuinely getting more xp from refining, which is now not leveling after using a whole stamina bar. or just charcoal still, which has me looping in battania turning their forests into charcoal.

I just don't know what to do now besides accept its going to take the whole playthrough to level up, which means force resting in towns when I can't later, or hit that cheat menu button (or get a better pc and play it on pc)

i've unlocked every single polearm piece.

>>2222017
Someone can correct me on this, but smithing exp is janky as fuck. It's not just based off difficulty, but also price and tier but not in any way that feels consistent.

>>2216429
Anyone? I really don't like Bonerlord's minimalistic UI.

>>2221110
>>2221120
i enjoyed waiting for bannerlord more than playing bannerlord