Maybe those recent graduations weren’t EN5 after all https://x.com/idol_corp/status/1934989422925414711

If it was just joining idol I don't think Nyana would have called it "the opportunity of a lifetime".

>>101298922
Wasn't she like a 2 view?

>>101298874 (OP)
Dont forget about VShojo

>>101298993
>2024
?

>>101298988
low-mid 3view but after all the bullshit I don't think Idol is getting anyone with options

>>101298874 (OP)
Why would anyone willingly go to this dogshit "agency"

>>101298874 (OP)
Nyana was referring to Idol as an opportunity of a lifetime would be funny

>>101298922
She's obviously going to phase

>>101298874 (OP)
>>101298993
>>101299138
https://x.com/cxnnysniffa/status/1934710231709438022
It's Holo.

>>101298922
Don't underestimate how small-minded some indies are. Look at how many of those stupid fucks applied to post-Selen NijiEN thinking it's a "big opporunity".
To say nothing of Sayu hyping the fuck out of some literalwho chinese scamcorp to the point people expected her to join vshojo

>>101298874 (OP)
Wel, a lot of corpos did close down.

Thought idol was shutting down?

>>101299189
You just wasted 85 seconds of my time

>>101298874 (OP)
https://x.com/fennryn/status/1889756616234283424 feb 13, 2025
https://x.com/milkyqueen_idol/status/1895309422546849854 march 31, 2025 - calli friend
https://x.com/KEMOVP_staff/status/1910694328231747803 coyote may 30, 2025 - fwmc friend
https://x.com/LuaAsuka_/status/1917071939795079170 may 30, 2025
https://x.com/MaikaMallow/status/1918999048918348261 may 9, 2025
https://x.com/HuniiVtuber/status/1920289054110748739 June 15, 2025
https://x.com/araagomi/status/1920529650360438923 June 27, 2025

>>101298874 (OP)
lmao, are they really that stupid?

>>101299279
Holo and Niji are the only corpos where someone's future collabs and interactions with their old friends could be in danger. And it's not Niji.

Idol is a huge piece of shit company, no one would join them anymore.

>>101299030
yeah 2024 open aidition tell now no one debut yet

>>101298922
>>101299193
It's not even small minded either. Nyana is a talentless grifter, and doesn't even own the design and identity of Nyana. The idea of going official and having corporate backing could be enough to entice even a 4view under her circumstances.

>>101299346
That’s a lot, nyana,kitanya,midas... that’s 10 already

>>101298874 (OP)
THEY'RE SHIFTING IN

>>101299358
>>101299189
Nyana would never be allowed to join Hololive and has no real talents. Everything would go to shit if that were true, which is why you're pushing the rumor.

>>101299664
Inis is talking about kitanya imbecile.

>>101298874 (OP)
Offkai already leaked this is gonna be an Idol corp rebrand into ChromaSHIFT
I'd be impressed if they pair that rebrand with a new gen.

>>101298874 (OP)
Don't forget about Vallure

>>101299779
oh, the wactor strategy, let's see how this goes

>>101299193
niji is the best place to become successful indie later, holo graduates can’t do shit, if we talking about en

>>101299138
>Nyana july 19
>Kitanya july 19
>>101299346
>Coyo may 30
>Lua may 30

>>101298874 (OP)
Those indies are retarded if they join idol_corp now considering 3 of their talents chose to graduate recently (and one of them was blocked from obtaining the model)

>>101299664
People said the same about Shiori and Gigi, and look at them now.

>>101298922
But why would nyana betray phase for frikin idol?

Even on my worst enemy I wouldn't wish for their oshi to join idol. It's a black company.

>>101298874 (OP)
Let it be Nijisanji it would be so fucking funny

>>101299193
>small-minded
If you're a 2view, applying to NijiEN, even now, is still a big opportunity. Their latest all-male gen is still doing better than most indies could ever hope to do on their own. There are only a few slots out there in big corpos, and even if it's not their first choice getting into a smaller corpo like Idol is still an opportunity many will never get.

>>101298874 (OP)
i'm just shocked that idol isn't just fading into obscurity, surely that brand is poison these days

>>101299795
vallure requires a camgirl background to join
I wouldn't be too surprised if nyana is a camgirl, but kitanya is definitely not one.

>>101298874 (OP)
Why god? Idol is like a mini niji.

>>101300808
>is still a big opportunity
If you're girl - no it's not.
You don't get views, you don't get ANY support, you only get a toxic brand and a mob of angry antis.

>>101300311
What does Shiori bring? Gigi at least is spamming sponsorships

>>101298922
They likely offered really good benefits for the other previous girls, israeli money.

>>101299506
>>101299346
midas is a fat bitch

>>101300808
using nijiEN to get a sympathy buff doesn't work now that everyone knows it's the only reason anyone applies, Twisty was trying the same shit but they probably locked down the contracts hard for new people so she got stuck in the void for a year

>>101299346
That's a lot of chuubas nobody cared about until now.

Kitanya is joining Holo. Nothing else fits for her considering she was already growing the last few months and had a lot of other opportunities vis a vis her rigging services.

>>101299960
>holo graduates can’t do shit,
Anon...
A few exHolos left the insutry entirely, but others have been doing great since, especially Nimi

>>101299213
updated

>>101298874 (OP)
Literally who would willingly join idol in 2025?
They have like 2 talents who are alive, 3 if you consider Roca who came back sort of

>>101300808
>Their latest all-male gen is still doing better than most indies could ever hope to do on their own.
They had another wave after Denauth?

>>101298874 (OP)

>>101301998
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQ6UxUutPRI

>>101298874 (OP)
Brave have equal if not more resources to spare than Cover anyway.

>>101299960
>holofag is SEA
Classic. I can smell you from your ESLism.

I think I figured something out
If it doesn't feel like they are throwing everything away out of nowhere, it's not holo

>>101301055
Midas is in Variance Project along with Hunii
Honestly seeing her content I expected Midas to know better than to join a random no name small corpo but whatever, not a Phase fan but that would've been a pretty decent option instead for example

>>101300311
Shiori had talent and is an OG, regardless they're both doing terrible. Having a much worse version of Shiori and Gigi is a very tough sell.

>>101300311
Gigi is doing good with sponsor streams and many of the large corpos have interns tweeting and watching her streams

Shiori main focus is Id and stars and I believe she trying to act as one of the en members who has more connection to that branch and help them as well herself grow more.

>>101299664
lol are you crying?

>>101301647
>but others have been doing great since, especially Nimi

https://x.com/HuniiVtuber/status/1935004515826307159

Is she in?

>>101298922
Idol sucks, but do it for a couple years and then go indie. That's a way more effective way to grow than standard grinding

>>101303130
if shes coming back in December unlike hunii at least she didnt throw her fans away. she did say the haitus was optional.wonder what kind of micro corp lets people keep their pl active

>>101303580
Brave could be trying to lure in fresh meat for idol, by promissing some nice contracts.
Considering Idol is now bleeding talents faster, than they can prepare new gens.

>>101303483
>Performed slightly worse than Holo and Holo-adjacent
No shame in that

>>101303697
I just told you anon

>>101304248
im wondering if variance has no faith in their own success at all so theyre letting their talent keep their shit or if they have fuck you kind of money and dont care what they do. again midas said opportunity of a lifetime, unless thats cope because nobody wants her ugly ass (most realistic) maybe this group could be doing something interesting

>>101304386
Oh
I mean a lot if not all small corps let you do that
That's why people jump right into holo speculation when someone abandons their current persona

>>101298874 (OP)
Nobody with sense is joining Jewcor---I mean Bravecorp.

how braindead you gotta be to join idol corp now? at least try out your luck at v4mirai or globie, i fail to see a good reason to instead choose that dying corpo

>>101300808
People will shit on you for being right but people don't realize that 90% of Indies don't make it past 2view status.

>>101300045
I don't ever see Lua leaving to join Idol. It has to be Hololive or she is completely done with vtubing which it didn't sound like that is what it was.

>>101300997
You really have no clue how hard it is to break past 2view, even as a girl. Some of the most popular chuubas you know were stuck in 2view status for years before breaking out. It's really just a matter of grinding until/if you get lucky as an indie.

>>101299960
>niji is the best place to become successful indie later
Mint, Doki and ???
There's been multiple people that left NijiEN, but only 2 that can qualify for this criteria.

>>101303190
>shiori had talent
>talent

>>101305069
>joining globie after the shitshow with Squirmi and the French girl

>>101298874 (OP)
Damn imagine joining idol in the year of 2025. This once again proves that woman’s cannot be trusted with important life decisions.

I bet these retards believed that Brave will give them a concert similar to Himehina. Kek

>>101303130
>>101299346
>>101303513
I would be careful about Hunii. Turns out that she is a TVA doxfag and was in the Hexa "Phase has a blacklist" VC call with other doxniggers from there. >>83514026
https://files.catbox.moe/l3kdw9.mp4
Once again, corpos keep hiring liabilities that will run to Proctor as soon as something doesn't go their way. It's SVP all over again. Do Variance even know?

>>101307930
Idol awaits

>>101307930
They will know soon.
https://x.com/variance_pro

I am so confused where they see braveus as profitable

>>101298874 (OP)
The amount of graduations and indefinite hiatuses this year is way too many for just one gen in any one company. I assume we're gonna have a lot more coming up soon.

>>101305069
Isn't globie even deader than idol? Or are they still limping along?

>myth = garbage
>promise = fauna
>advent = trash
>justice = ccgg

I guess im waiting for EN6 with this pattern

>>101300838
Not true.
But Kitanya is not joining.

>>101308725
Nimiseethe

>>101305126
People said the same about Lisa joining Phase once Tsunderia shut down but, after a few months of being indie, she ended up in Idol

The only people that would be willing to join a dead branch like Idol at this stage are 2-views you've never heard of or people with no vtubing experience at all. None of those people listed are going to Idol. If Phase was doing a new gen that might be an alternative.

>>101309426
Yeah well at the time Idol didn't look like such a bad bet. We're a long way from that now.

>graduate half a gen
>release a new gen
>repeat
Idol is weird.

>>101308725
Really? We had Gura, and Ina and Ame were pretty good back when they gave a shit.
For promise we still have IRyS and we had Mumei.

>>101307930

she talked about it on stream so everyone already knows

>>101300627
I guess nobody really cares, there's so much drama you can't tell what's true anymore

>>101298922
Anyone with a brain could see was only a matter of time Nyana would quit, might as well take a good deal while she's at it. AI art is getting more and more controversial, and all it takes is one twitter tranny to make a twitlonger about her origin and BOOM, her entire career ruined.

>>101310246
What, that's she's going corpo or the fact that she's a Proctor onahole that will be leaking her guts out to his dox site about said corpo?

>>101313383
That and her brand was pretty unprofessional despite how good her network is. A full rebrand makes perfect sense.

>>101300808
Nijis have to pay for their own model. So you're financially already in the red before you even start your new streaming career.

>>101309696
Wasn't it just contracts expiring and not being renewed? It's not like they fired them, they're just refilling spots.

>>101309426
Lisa's been stagnant for ages. All she probably about cares at this point are opportunities to be a pseudo musician and Idol was the best choice for it.

>>101318448
No, management funds the model but Niji's have the option to spend as much of their own money to prepare for their debuts

>>101299346
>Maika Mallow

She just rebranded to a new identity so that she could use her real voice, and was performing in that 'preview' of Nyana's concert with said rebrand.

>>101299418
holy shit

>>101308725
shit taste

>>101305736
kuro has like 10 new outfits now and the 3d he always wanted
unnamed had a concert recently
i think a lot of the graduated nijien's are doing alright for themselves, though it is only 2 examples

>>101318593
A lot of it was from the merger and I don't know enough about the original jews. Riro, Yuko, and Pochi were obviously big drama events. After the month, the first two gens will be completely gone and the third gen will be halved.

>>101309426
Because Phase fans were obnoxious tards and put her off from even approaching the company to see if they would take her. With no offer given by Fishman, she joined Jewcorp right before it got sold to Brave.

>>101298874 (OP)
Idol isn't a growing brand, it's a declining one. Particularly since the Brave acquisition. It's for 2views desperate to grow, not for mid-3views who are already making a decent buck to sidegrade at best under 10x more corpo restrictions.

>>101320566
Her mistake was getting close to Pippa and the Capipis. she’d probably be in if she were friends with Dizzy instead

>>101299189
WTF did I just watch

>>101299664
>Ame is no longer scouting talent for HoloEN
Why even want a Gen 5

>>101321603
Fake crying as a preparation for the "graduation" stream. They both know kitanya is just going to rebrand but they have to pretend like she's going to die irl.

>>101321949
If she's going to Holo they will never collab with her again.
If she's not they are dumb.

>>101322026
Collab? Unless it's off-stream and not on main. But she frames it as if they'll never interact again.

>>101322060
>We'll still be friends
>Maybe I can't be part of the new chapter of her life
>uncertainty if that would be a possibility
>you know what I mean

If this is any other corpo this girl is retarded.

>>101322193
It's pretty much guaranteed. They've gone through the exact same motions already with CC. It's the same friend group.

>>101322193
She keeps her simps in line by posting irl lewds on pisscord, she knows exactly what she's doing.

>>101322193
She doesn’t even need to stream, Vox’s paychecks been hitting her bank acc anyway

>>101322405
I think you have like three different people mixed up

>>101298874 (OP)
Idol is dead in the water. Rolled up into Brave and left to fester. There is nothing to be gained going there.

>>101298993
People don't have to graduate to join VShojo. The only one of these recent graduates that would even make sense for them is Sara, because her current identity was obtained from Prism Project and wasn't something she created herself to begin with so she might have motivation to abandon it for a new one even if she's not required.

Everyone else is all indie and would have no reason to abandon their current identities outside of joining a corpo.

>>101318666
Lisa is getting her chance to shine

>>101299189
Isn't this the blacked girl?

>>101323123
yeah
https://files.catbox.moe/0uqh8b.png
https://files.catbox.moe/g71tro.png

>>101301647
for some reason she's starting to slip into 4view status recently
I don't really get it myself, especially after all this time, but high 4view is still amazing and higher than almost all indies and all of vshojo. It's really only Holos and JP Nijis and VSPOs and indies like Patra or Chiroru that beat that level

>>101323191
average GFE twtich chuuba

I see it is lunch time in SEA

why did this thread turn into just shitting on lisa

>>101301024
Idol is run by Japanese money now. They haven't had Israeli money for at least a year.

>>101299346
No way Lua ends up in Idol. She is too good for Idol. Lua deserves to be in Hololive and have everyone worship and lust after her.

>>101309426
Can't compare Lua to Lisa. It's not even close. Lua is the total package. She has the voice, can sing, can dance, and is fluent in Japanese and lives in Japan.

>>101307930
>83514026
Any vtuber interacting with or encouraging these TVA faggots should be blacklisted across the industry.

>>101303483
I mean compared to exniji now indies >>101299960 it's 50x better no? show me one post niji indie that has even just 3k average in a month wtihout it being the redebut month

>>101298874 (OP)
grim lol

>>101327225
offkai will have more

>>101299213
>>101301655
where is Wactor?

>>101328956
wactor is not english

>>101303130
What's the source on Midas and Hunii joining Variance?
We know Gomi's probably joining them because of picrel

>>101329804
hunii hinted at a detective dog and well, variance has an upcoming detective dog
as for midas she keeps retweeting variance stuff, hunii's hiatus, and also hunii herself replied to a tweet of midas about being busy

>>101329853
>Midas, Hunii, Gomi
I haven't watched any of them that much but that doesn't seem like a particularly strong talent pool

>>101330297
i mean its random yuros rebranding a small company for whatever reason, what's there to expect

>>101326452
I agree but the corpos keep hiring them. Anyone is welcome to contact Variance with their concerns over hiring people with ties to TVA but there is no guarantee that they will do anything. The staff will also be going to OffKai so perhaps somebody can slide in a word about it there.

>>101298922
Why not?
Nyana wants to to 3D concerts at conventions on a stage with real people in the crowd.
Brave Group can get her that in 2026. Phase Connect can't get her that until probably 2028

Nyana has worked plenty with Idol and Brave they let their girls do her concerts. Even more so than Phase Connect.

>>101326284
Lua is boring and uncreative. There are dozens of her out there.
Perfect for holo.

>>101331446
Idol has an invader system no? It's not idol then.

>>101322567
this was Lisa 2 years ago at Offkai

>>101331509
Nyana's ip is iffy because it is public domain AI. it is not really hers to sell

>>101298874 (OP)
Idol is not the opportunity of a lifetime. They'll still be 3views but now making only half the money. Or in the case of Punkalopi she went from solid 4views as an indie, joined Idol and now is low 3views.

>>101331649
Lopi was never 4view as an indie

>>101298874 (OP)
It's fucking nothing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diE2p9oHULk
How embarrassing

>>101331569
She can literally keep the nyana persona/account and branding just by adding a few tweaks. It's how Neuro fixed her shit.

>>101331649
>muh views
you don't get it. being in corpo unlocks doors that a lot of mid 4view indies can't even open. convention concerts
nyana is after picrel >>101322567
idol can provide her this and would push her to the moon as a focal point. i would imagine that is very intriguing for a girl like nyana. it is also 1000x more realistic than hololive

>>101331677
Wiping away Idol because Jewcorp has a bad reputation, wonder if they'll do the same to Globie next.

>>101331677
holy shit it's actually nothing
all the shitposting for a dubstep rebrand announcement

>>101331677
dire.
rebranding is the last act of a dying agency.
they are delaying the inevitable of just closing it and moving the talents to v4m

>>101331677
>Nyana got in Holo
This shit is wild

>>101331779
Why didn't they just do that to begin with?

>>101331677
>sells Idol to Brave Group for big money
>they think they are getting over 1,000,000+ subs and an established Idol platform with Rin, Fuyo, Juna, Meica05 etc
>they then talk to the talents and all the ones worth a shit bail
>have another mass talent exodus 1 year later
>now killing the Idol brand for something they could have made without spending big money buying it
heh, nothing personal

>>101331813
investors will make them do everything that could possibly work before allowing the shutdown, and between wactor and now idol there's clearly a belief that vtuber fans lack object permanence

>>101322567
>struggle for 364 days a year and work for a black company just so you can have a 3D concert in front of 100 people
that doesn't seem worth it. Lisa was in an Ironmouse concert at offkai 2 years ago as an indie

>>101331846
the rebrand should have happened when they first bought idol, it would have sent the message that they were going to do things different and have an impact.

>>101331677
>just a name change
kek

>>101332070
so true lmao
I was thinking it's weird they didn't have any of the talents voice act the announcement or have all talents say ChromaSHIFT in unison for the title drop
And dubstep was a weird fucking choice they have multiple music-oriented talents but none of them do dubstep

>>101331677
>even idol fans hate on it in the comment section
Oof

>>101321344
Fishman should have at least approached her and asked what she would want to join.

>>101321344
>>101332556
Lisa is no stranger. She was on a company trip in 2022 with Sakana, Lia, Uruka, Iori, Airi, Yuri and Muumi.
Lisa went with Idol because Idol approached her with an offer and she said yes. Everybody wants to be wanted it is a human feeling. Phase Connect never approached her with an offer, not because they don't want her, but because of poachbegging Sakana likely thought the correct move was to give Lisa space.

>>101331244

you guys know she has addressed this on stream right? trying to get someone fired because they were in a server a year ago is a different lever of retardation

>>101332694
Show the clip where she did.

>>101332694
Last year really isn't long enough of a timeframe to just pretend something is in the past and doesn't matter
And nobobdy cares about being in "a server" what people are mad about is her joining a dox server, hosted by a vtuber dox forum and talking to the admin who engages in doxing vtubers himself
You're doing a shit job at sweeping for her

>>101305069
Are you retarded. It's all the same company anon.

>>101331677
Really? Just merge this company with v4m already

>>101332556
She'd probably reject it anyway, joining phase means giving that faggot sakana your accounts so he can delete them when you try to leave. There's a reason most of the invaders got new accounts instead of importing their own when they joined phase, I can guarantee you kana would have lost her account and wouldn't be using them now if she joined with her account instead of getting a new one.

>>101299505
I found the failed flavr.

>>101305069
backed by brave who have been slowly buying up small corpos

>>101318715
Every graduated NijiEN liver has told us that they were broke for months after debut. Twisty and Sayu both said the model comes out of your first paycheck.

>>101331569
>this was Lisa 2 years ago at Offkai
Was it 3D?

>>101334824
Is there actually drama in flavr? They eat their own?

>>101300808
Just be raped by our boys and you will have good career yes.

>>101309522
During that time Idol was declining due to the manager fucking their own talent yab.

>>101331569
>Riro Ron
holy shit i forgot about her

>>101331569
>Isla with Ironmouse
That happened?

>>101340319
>>101331569
https://youtu.be/wq_OOJ2qRMU

>>101340404
isla EN6

>>101331846
>sells Idol for big money

>>101305069
being a 2view is suffering

>>101298874 (OP)
Yeah, maybe EN5 is going to be like 15 people...

Or maybe a lot of people are moving on from Vtubing after getting bored or realising they can't make a living out of it

>>101305069
Can't be helped. V4Mirai is no longer an option if you try and apply to Brave's open auditions. Globie isn't an option either although it's burning right now and no one knows how long it has. So limited options for anyone that wants to join.