Evil fucking company torturing Bae
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYgq4FsXEus

>>101330151 (OP)
We already know it's because Ina's graduating.

>>101330186
Really?

>>101330151 (OP)
Yeah, it was Cover who got her father hospitalized. The evil black corpo

I will never tire of the Aussie accent.
I wished Chamas would use hers more.

>>101330203
yes

>>101330213
they fed him too much fried food

>>101330186
why would ina lie about being happy - if anyone graduates its gonna be one of the white girls

>>101330391
>why would ina lie about being happy
Ina has lied many times over the course of the years, and I'm not even bothering to prove it to you by diving into the archives. If you don't know it, then you clearly didn't watch streams, and thus you're a tourist, or post in bad faith.

>>101330432
>and thus you're a tourist, or post in bad faith.
just like you!

>>101330391
Because all EN is line for graduation. The tourist purge is real.

>>101330432
nta but I'm also curious. Give us a bone to start.

>>101330151 (OP)
why does she look like poruka from temu?

>>101330213
it was a pregnancy scare, she's been having bareback sex with roberto and her period was late

>>101330151 (OP)
What causes this in that line of job? Why can't vtubers just be stable and normal? Do they become like this after becoming vtubers, or are they becoming vtubers because they're unstable to begin with?

>>101330481
how would that send paparat to the hospital?

>>101330453
>>101330464
Ina's "dangerous heart condition"

>>101330456
I think they'd roll biboo, irys, fuwamoco and bae into holoJP - ina could do it too, if she stops being a mama's kid or abducts mama'nis to japan

>>101330505
Anon's dangerous pagpag diet

>>101330505

>>101330502
that never happened

>>101330502
If I heard that my daughter is pregnant before marriage and her partner might not be interested in marrying her at first place, I would've gotten a heart attack too

>>101330550
>using AI to factcheck
this is the pagpag world we live in.

>>101330550
>no clue but here is holobrony hugbox slop
not saying the other guy is right but this is kind of hilarious in a sad way. ai is so useless man

>>101330481
>Roberto posting in 2025
Hey shit for brains. Did you finally come out of your coma after 3 years?

>>101330658
>>101330641
I mean I did search in the archives for "dangerous heart condition", no luck.

>>101330550
Humu

>>101330505
>>101330550
The only heart condition to worry about is her making my heart go doki doki.

>>101330702
Open wide, tourist-bro:
(about when Ina went on a 3-month long full radio silence and said she lost her work phone afterwards)
>Ina never promised to actually communicate regularly
Listen to this carefully:
https://youtu.be/Q3FpRS-TYxI?t=872
https://youtu.be/Q3FpRS-TYxI?t=1077
>supposedly she didn't have access to her phone or something
She suddenly gained access after Mel exposed her. And she was able to record 50 seconds for the Advent Calendar.
>the reason she gave for going on break was that she was sick/had a condition
Drawing anime to death and flying all over the world is not very conducive to health.
>we don't know this
Yes, we do. She writes about it herself.
>if she just turned off her phone and never went online
She was online. She was also planning a tea party with Mori, at the very least.
>they literally met up recently irl, what are you even saying?
Oh, yes, it was only my second chance in two and a half years, more than enough. And it didn't matter that Kiara had asked for it many times.

Want more? Lurk Moar.

>>101330799
Oh I know about this one. Didn't know her excuse was losing her phone / heart problems.

>>101330799
>And she was able to record 50 seconds for the Advent Calendar.
She could've prerecorded this.

>>101330203
Though its complete speculation I think after Cover fucked up her Visa and ended up costing her time and money.

Complete spinfoil she ended her birthday 3d live with a hand written note that ended with its time to go next.

Once again complete speculation, but shes the only member of myth that I could see leaving the company, since Kiara and Calli are completely married to the life.

>>101330186
Is that before or after the dodgers collab?

>>101330307
>the bleed is STILL happening

>crashout
>crashout
>crashout

This fucking word is used for everything

>>101330213
that's fucked up, yagoo needs to go

Bae is a lazy count and she's trying to cope

>>101330997
But she literally said she's staying. This >>101330799 can be dismissed by lying by omission / white lies. No one was hurt by it.
But I refuse to believe that she's planning to leave after she literally said she won't. That would burn her fans harder than her being fired.

>>101331004
mumei and gura both waited until fes was over. hell gura waited specifically until her song was done even though according to Kiara Gura, Mumei and Fauna decided to graduate together and Gura made an account in january

>>101331109
that other post is also a fucking retard because while her excuse fot not saying anything when she said she would was pretty dog shit she was not "exposed" by mel. She straight up had a member post like five or six days before mel said anything saying WHEN she would be back and that she was going to be traveling until then. Then after five days mel said oh i saw Ina we went to a cafe together. Mori said the same shit a day after and even said Ina said they could talk about it on stream so nothing was "exposed" they just make shit up because some retard on the catalog told them mel exposed her

>>101330799
>Drawing anime to death and flying all over the world is not very conducive to health.
This makes Ironmouseschizo look like a medical professional.

>>101331098
>6 days of consecutive 5 hours of dancing and PT
She's anything but lazy

i dont care

>>101331200
Is this the NDA that got Mel terminated?

>>101330151 (OP)
They are just letting that fucking ちゃんころ know her place, they get uppity like that sometimes. You gotta let them know whats what, good on cover.

>>101331308
anon that was like a year and a half or MORE before mel got terminated

>>101330997
>Complete spinfoil she ended her birthday 3d live with a hand written note that ended with its time to go next.

Ina literally has emoji s that say "GoNext"
It's from her elden Ring streams and means not giving up...

>>101330151 (OP)
OP is a faggot

>>101331406
Ah sorry, bit of a new fan and didn’t know the timeline. Guess I had a bit of an idiot savant moment and was like ‘wait it all makes sense! Why did no one else make this connection before me!’

finally getting some comeuppance for all the homo shit, hopefully her suffering continues

>>101331055
Considering its origin, it’s just broken English.
Replacing multiple existing terms with one that isn’t even correct.
A round of applause to the morons who use it.

>>101330799
I'm not necessarily defending Ina here but keep in mind that for a lot of otherwise healthy young adults, being unwell beyond a cold/fever/COVID or a common injury is relatively unusual and scary.
She probably did need to see a doctor for something at some point when she was forsaking her health to crunch work and in all likelihood she said
>she was sick/had a condition
while she was waiting for lab results a doctor requested to help their diagnosis before ultimately coming back and telling her she just needs to sleep more, eat healthier and get in some exercise (she bought an exercise bike after her move).
All speculation of course and preventative medicine is best practice so she wasn't wrong to get checked and she probably would be worse off if she didn't change course, but if she didn't elaborate then I can only imagine that's closer to what happened than not.

what even is outfitschizo's purpose anymore, seems like it's just a misinfo bot for no reason

>>101331637
> all the homo shit
What do you mean...

>>101332068
He who thinks, smells and sees cock everywhere doth projects and protests

Ina literally has no reason to leave Hololive. She gets to do her artist stuff, do hololive stuff, go to Japan when she wants, live in Canada when she wants.... It is literally the perfect set up for her. She has had no indications that she wants something more or has aspirations or ideas that dont align with the company. She is simple (in a good way) and I think she understands her position and privelage.

>>101331770
She said it was a heart condition and she got it checked out. If I remember correctly it was about her heart was beating super super fast when heshe was just sitting around doing nothing. Maybe everyone here is lucky but I personally have had to go to a cardiologist and was diagnosed with heart palpitations due to stress. That shit is real and can create some feedback loop where you get even more stressed cause the heart issues and it gets worse

>>101332179
That's what you said about mumei and look where she is right now

>>101331797
What even is the point of these hololive bait threads anymore?
It's obvious OP keeps necrobumping them because all holofans fucked off so there's nobody to bite the bait.
He's screaming into the void.

>>101331797
>outfitschizo
QRD?

>>101332274
why does it seem like every fucking vtuber have heart palpitation problems?

>>101331637
based
>>101332068
bae is a fag enabler

>>101332274
Do you take medication for your ongoing condition?
Too much caffeine and energy drinks can do that as well and I wouldn't be surprised if she abused them for a spell. It sounds like it resolved for her if she doesn't mention it anymore. I do think she focused on being healthier since then.

>>101332426
When was her last homo collab? If anything it's ERB and Shiori.

>>101331637
>>101332426
>Casts reflect
May your oshi suffer worse problems

>>101331055
is that a new zoomer thing? been seeing it a lot lately

>>101332488
It's the zoomer word for mental breakdown I think

>>101332418
Unfit people who probably have issues sleeping and just sit around all day staring at screens is a bad mix. the corpo tubers obviously have other stuff on top of that

>>101332446
They actually offered me beta blockers but since it was confirmed to be stress I declined and just started working on the stress/walking more and it eventually stopped. I still go in for checkups but I haven't had any for about three years now

>>101330186
oh boy I can't wait for Do It Yourself season 2

>>101332466
>it was so long ago
>she's feminized now
ah the mumei and kronii defense

>Schizos are getting so desperate that they're targeting Ina
Kinda funny ngl. Even moreso by using her health break since the last time someone tried that they just got laughed out of global since they actually watch streams.

>>101332588
nice try deadcuck

>>101332466
>When was her last homo collab?
Just about a month ago, she played Street Fighter with Flayon

>>101332826
Ah the capcom sponsored collab

>>101332426
I'm surprised how faggotry homoantis are. Not even fagyon.

>>101333133
you should polish your english sister

>>101332479
Amen

>>101330432
>Ina has lied many times over the course of the years, and I'm not even bothering to prove it to you by diving into the archives.
Anon you know that Sana, Ina, and Gura were all fighting with management in 2022. Sana did say that she had back problems before her mysterious graduation and Ina did say that she had a heart condition (and lost her work phone) but that was 100% management twisting their arms. Cover can force talents to lie about stealth suspensions. Altare went on a 3 month "health" break in late 2024 after complaining about management so there is even a recent example. He was the first talent in Holostars to miss his birthday so anything that disparages the company is strictly forbidden in their contract.

>>101330799
>>Ina never promised to actually communicate regularly
>Listen to this carefully:
Cover also told Mumei they would give her a 3D outfit for her 1 million subscriber wish and they would release her nendo even after her graduation. Are you really going to blame talents for management decisions?

>>101331797
>what even is outfitschizo's purpose anymore
The better question is why anyone still runs damage control for Hololive after having a wave of 7 graduations. They are better than Nijisanji but if they forced that pedobait daki on Gura during contract negotiations in 2022 than she has good reason to be furious with Cover. They forced her character in an extremely sleazy direction for short term revenue. Coomers keep saying that she wanted the daki but she refused to release the daki as graduation merch and her recent actions with the EN concert announcement indicates a lot of anger towards Cover.

>>101332446
https://youtu.be/Ke3bahNNTag?si=VughJ--7qXeSNFsl

>>101333366
Damn. What a black company.

>>101330151 (OP)
god i fucking hate tiktokfags. literally nobody said crashing out a few months ago and now everyone is saying it constantly. there's no resistance at all to the social contagion

>>101333366
>but if they forced that pedobait daki on Gura
outfitschizo

Amazing how many here talk about talents they clearly never watched

>>101333688
As if tv and movie "memes" didn't mold our youths language, you are just a jaded faggot

>>101333998
not to this degree no, since the internet was more fragmented while nowadays every zoomer on the planet gets their entertainment from the same app

>>101333998
Difference in frequency.
Not only does language change unnecessarily faster than it did even just a decade ago, but it has also devolved into using the same terms too often.

>>101332913
doesn't excuse fag enabling
>>101333133
fagyon is one of the worst homos

>>101333366
>but if they forced that pedobait daki on Gura during contract negotiations in 2022 than she has good reason to be furious with Cover.
gura was the one who wanted the daki, cover didn't you fucking retard

>>101334252
>>101334180
>>101333998
>>101333688
you see this to a lesser extent with accents. TV and the internet killed regional accents. now that all zoom zooms use tiktok they all say the tiktok words

Ina sissies? I don't FEEL so good!

>>101334744
i want her to peg me with one of her tentacles...

Kill yourself, outfitschizo.

>>101333795
You got that far into the text before you recognised him?

>>101334586
>gura was the one who wanted the daki
Ina and Kronii have told viewers they have a perfect model design and wouldn't change a thing. One day you will find out that Hololive talents are corporate employees that are under a strict Cover contract.

>>101330799
>She suddenly gained access after Mel exposed her.
Literally wrong. Congrats on being tricked by SEA shitposters

>>101330151 (OP)
She’s next after Ina

People keep defending Kurolive even after Bae bawled her eyes out multiple times on stream and had panic attacks, on stream again, each time the reason being hololive.

>>101332579
I don't understand this reference? What does Ina have to do with DIY?

>>101335934
Two more weeks right sister

>>101333688
this is why old people like me are such cynics
i'm sorry you had to find out this way anon, but everything is fake and gay

>>101336227
https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/people.php?id=210359

>>101335555
nah i only skimmed over last paragraph randomly without reading the discussion

>>101330464
Remember when Ina lied about being sick and then Flare exposed her by tweeting how she was showing Ina around on her vacation?

There's probably a total max of like 6 IPs itt

>>101333998
Maybe allowing your culture to be defined by retarded children isn't a good idea to begin with.

>>101330151 (OP)
>>101336344
This is a false flag thread by phasefags designed to distract from that Pippa fanboy who tried to shoot up a protest.

>>101336415
holy based

>>101331565
It's okay, sometime we all have these moments of genius. I was the one who drew the elira = management connection and made the first thread

>>101330151 (OP)
Dumbest thing about this post is that everyone who knows anything about Bae knows that she's the one torturing herself.

>>101332588
>mumei
a-anon....

>>101330799
What if she also had visa issues that time and couldn't use the corporate account?

>>101330151 (OP)
Why is bae always the most stressed out person. No on else complains in the way she does, like they all have shit ton of work and get fatigued but bae seems to express her stress more than any others

>>101337525
female chinaman
clearly has the honors kid perfectionist shit going on
overloads her workload and then flips out. retards like Gura and Mumei would just say fuck it and not stream if they had holo homework
there is no way fauna or ina put in any effort into the idol shit

>>101333366
>defending Sana of all people
She was a lazy nepohire bitch. End of story.

The truth is Cover force the "homo lovers" to collab with them because they are talented and will be fine thanks to their raww talent, to make the untalented girls gain viewers because "at least they don't collab with homos"

>>101338441
none of the fags have talent

>>101331055
It's the worst slangword tiktok-lingo i've ever heard in my life. It's so fucking bad it's actually infuriating.

>>101332488
>>101332503
It just means that someone is angry, or loosing their cool.

>>101330432
>I, uh, lost my phone for a whole month
I member

>>101330391
>why would ina lie
>The same Ina that lied about being bedsick and losing her phone, until a HoloJP girl blabbed that she had been in Japan for months hanging out with the other JP girls

>>101332488
What crashout used to mean: Someone making a decision fueled by the heat of the moment even with the knowledge that it could end poorly or even take their own life
Example: Gary Plauche had a legendary crashout on live TV
What people have watered crashout down to: Someone who is inconvenienced a step above "mild"
Example: Bae lost a race in Mario Kart. She's crashing the fuck out.

Hololive should at least cancel some of her dance sessions, she's already one of the best dancers in that shit

>>101330799
You know who else promised they wouldn’t leave, you dumb nigger?
Gawr Gura.

>>101338461
reading comprehension

>>101340776
Wrong reply but the point still stands.

all. shitpost at side but where the fuck are the streams I see no waiting room from anyone

>>101330799
>only coal miners get sick
Retard

>>101340839
That's because there are no streams today lmao. Half of EN is in vacation

>>101330213
If you don't pay the yagoo tax, your family will.

>>101332336
>shitbait threads about Ina nuked
>shitbait comments about Ina in other threads nuked
>still trying to push the rrat over a fucking funko
Absolute mindbreak and obsessed phasecuck

>>101341336
He also got a bunch of comments nuked here and some unrelated posts in global

>>101330505
The only heart condition she had was drinking too much redbull about 2-3 years ago during a stressful time when she was having issues balancing gacha work, hololive, and her own personal stuff.

>>101330151 (OP)
>crash out
Go. The Fuck. Back.

>>101330151 (OP)
*Sigh*
What did Nijisanji do now?

>>101330151 (OP)
westerners are too weak and lazy...just shut down en at this point

>>101341972
They let a rapist go free because they realized they don't have any actual policies about verbal harassment between livers.

>>101337252
>What if she also had visa issues that time and couldn't use the corporate account?
Do you really think Ina and Gura both had visa problems in 2022 for several months but no one in HoloEN would even hint at that? That seems unlikely and there is a history of stealth suspensions with Japanese vtuber companies which is the obvious answer.

>>101338270
I will defend Sana because it's obvious that Cover is directly responsible for their recent graduation wave. The model redesign fights might have been the huge issue with HoloEN but there are now several JP talents that have quit Hololive to become indie vtubers. There are sexist elements to the idol business model and eventually that did become a divisive issue even on the JP side.

>>101336531
Phasefags not beating the terrorist allegations

>>101345461
So another Rittenhouse nothingburger?

>>101342083
It's about time

It's been a while since I've checked. It's really not recovering, huh?

yeah me

>>101331231
OH NO. NOT DANCING. A WHOLE 5 HOURS OF IT TOO (realistically probably only half of that since they're lessons so there would be breaks constantly as the instructor explains and shows)
HOW COULD SHE EVER MANAGE SUCH A HERCULEAN ENDEAVOUR

Meanwhile people that aren't entitled cunts are lifting heavy boxes or other such heavy manual labour every day for 8 hours, real hours unlike her "5hours" and they aren't "crashing out biweekly over it

>>101350487
>entitled cunt
We aren't talking about your whore of a mother your father left. Try dancing for 5 hours and post it you fat lard

>>101341769
that's a direct bae quote, tranny

>>101350487
Dancing is an extremely physically strenuous activity and it sure as hell exhausts you more than lifting boxes which is more of a strength task.

>>101330213
Source?

>>101350523
>>101350546
Uh oh ratfag meltie.
No, faggot, doing a few dance moves for 3 hours per day is not more exhausting and destructive to your body than lifting 15kg food supplies all day, everyday for 8 hours straight

>>101350652
It absolutely is you uneducated son of a whore. Post a video of yourself doing high intensity dancing like Bae does for 15 minutes tranny

>>101350652
Uh oh!
Seething thirdy alert

>>101350487
This post smells like a woman (jealous)

>>101350652
finish your GED and get an office job
actually complaining about oppression as a manual laborer lmao

>>101350652
>3 hours per day
*5 hours of dancing, followed by 1 hour of physical training
to match up the numbers, you just need to watch her dance practice stream where it took her 30+ minutes to perfect a section of a single dance and this girl learns 18 dances in a busy month
Doing the math, it comes roughly around to roughly 4-5 hours and Bae has talked about the most intensive days being 8 straight hours of recording and dancing

Secondly, manual labor like lifting is a job that uses your upper body muscles primarily and is mostly repetitive static carrying hence it does not require specialized cardio. An adult male who isn't disabled is not only physically superior to woman, 15kg is nothing to him in such a field. The argument here you can make is that it's monotonous and soul crushing
Also there are lunch and dinner breaks in labor jobs as well

Dancing on the other hand is similar to a HIT activity (High intensity training)
It requires cardio and uses both upper and lower body muscles in the body but most importantly, it's very intensive on the heart rate and lungs and requires a great deal of cardio. I would reckon it's several times more exhausting as the manual labor job in terms of physical intensity for the same amount of hours, especially if it's the type of dances Bae does.

You get what you deserve.

>>101330213
corpo is good mmmkkkkk derp derp

>>101351171
That's a whole lot of yapping to defend something people do as a hobby, for fun. While she's getting paid fuck tons of it and cries

>>101354427
based, fuck them

>>101350652
You don't do either

i wonder what the vt narrative will be if they all graduated ... and how many would stay loyal to their oshi over the unholy blue dorito ...

>>101338441
none of the homo lovers are talented though

>>101355873
>Suisei
>Sora
>Towa
uhhh?

>>101355920
he didn't stutter

>>101348262
It's grim these days

>>101355790
Oshi over Corpo

>>101355920
Other than fucking producers, managers, homos, etc. what talents do they have?

>>101350858
Invoking "only muh manual labor is true work" is pure incel shit, not female

>>101345285
It's weird that you attack Cover for giving Sana dark skin and act like that's somehow equivalent to the hangups you have about your grandma being a prostitute during the war years.

>>101355920
Talented cocksleeves right there

>>101354472
Why are you retarded?

>>101330151 (OP)
>holoLOL

>>101330151 (OP)
Idolshit strikes again. I will never support idolshit activities.

Ngl the obvious necrobumping is funny

>>101354427
what was that, fauna graduating?

>>101355790
I haven't watched holo since gura graduated. >>101359565
YWNBAW

>>101360014
Ina, Sana, and Kronii didn't want to be lewd coombait for a Japanese company. Hololive has swimsuit concerts and pedobait merch so they have never been family friendly but they heavily sexualized Myth and Council to such a level that it destroyed employee morale. Having this many HoloEN graduations this quickly is unusual and losing Gura shows a baffling amount of management arrogance that rivals NijiEN.

>>101365408
>losing Gura shows a baffling amount of management arrogance that rivals NijiEN.
holy shit sister you cannot be serious

>>101345734
Who?

>>101330151 (OP)
>crash out

>>101363261
bump

>>101365408
So now you're claiming dark skin is merely a fetish?

>>101363780
when she learned about the triple graduation

I hope her stockholm sydrome gets cured and she espaces before it's too late

Bae gives me Awkwafina vibes but prettier. Despite her concert attire, I don't think she's a bad girl, just one who likes to express herself and naturally can be friends with guys. She's kinda the frontier between normie and weeb, straddling the two worlds but being secure enough to be embraced by both. Bae strikes me as a hard worker based on her high-achieving family, so if she's having a rough time it's likely from earnest effort and I extend my sympathies to her.

>phasecucks are the ones spamming all the bae baits and now resorting to doxx
pathetic

>>101330151 (OP)
>crash out
Do people know you can use other describing words besides this? Mental breakdown. Meltdown. We're shrinking language by only using "crash out" every single time for every single scenario. A popular new term should only add to the mix, not replace your whole existing vocabulary

>>101368081
How many HoloEN talents will have 4.7 million subscribers or have the level of mainstream success as Gawr Gura? NijiEN losing Vox Akuma wouldn't even be close so the equivalent would be all of Luxiem graduating from NijiEN to be indie vtubers. Cover did mess up in losing Gura and if that was because of pedobait merch they made an extremely stupid decision to kill their golden goose for a temporary boost in revenue.

>>101371232
Huge jiggling boobs and revealing outfits isn't what most of the EN talents were thinking when they signed up for Hololive. The Sana design was meant to be a sexy waifu (like Ina and Kronii). Cover may have let IRyS have a model redesign but must have completely rejected the request from Sana.

>>101373046
Ina and Sana literally come from the industry responsible for all the sexy waifu designs. Kronii was mentally ill but improved herself.

>simultaneously using Gura to shit on Hololive while also calling her "pedobait"
>then complains about big boob moidels/designs
It's a good thing liggerfags like (you) will stay irrelevant, brown, and seething for the next decade.

boohoo faggot gura is a pedobaiting lazy retard
sorry facts hurt your sensitive fee fees

>>101338270
And she was still better than all of Advent and Justice

>>101373046
do you sleep outfitschizo? or do you just take micro naps or something

>>101373231
>Ina and Sana literally come from the industry responsible for all the sexy waifu designs.
https://youtu.be/iyRpDOuanZw?t=3938
Artists drawing sexy anime waifus doen't mean they wanted to be lewd vtubers which have to deal with degrading sexual messages from coomers. Marine already showed us the type of sleazy coombait that Cover wanted with those model designs and none of them have gone that far. Kronii barely tolerates the coombait while Ina and Sana were avoiding coombait like the plague. Hololive does have an issue with treating some of their talents like sex objects and that obviously was controversial in the EN branch. Ayame getting a visual update with a longer skirt and more clothing shows that even the JP branch wasn't okay with that situation. Shion's RM didn't leave to be an indie vtuber because she was comfortable with her design.

>>101374870
https://youtu.be/yp2wvsYGSyQ?t=2393
https://youtu.be/yp2wvsYGSyQ?t=2513
Gura told viewers she had "chubby baby arms" and was embarrassed at how low her shirt was the daki. Considering that Gura wouldn't rerelease the daki as graduation merch and the level of anger in the Ash Again MV maybe the daki wasn't her idea.

>>101377030
>''coomer"
>whining about models again
>doesn't know about Erolive
Go the FUCK back, nigger.

>>101378164
Of course I know about erolive. The business yuri, the sleazy swimsuit concerts, the panty flashing, the fake lolicon stories, and the pedobait merch which started before Myth even debuted. Cover is running a business that sells thousands of dollars of merch to grown men so Hololive does pander to coomers.

The average Hololive design was made for the male gaze and while some talents are completely okay with their designs it's obvious that some talents (JP, EN, and ID) wanted a model redesign. That was obviously true for Flare, Kaela, and IRyS but almost 7 years after her debut Ayame got a visual update which made her skirt longer, added more clothing, and generally made her design cuter. That is 100% something that Ayame requested from Cover so your gullible if you think the health breaks with Sana, Gura, Ina, Ame, Kronii, and Shion were not related to disagreements with management.

>>101330151 (OP)
No

>>101330186
hmm...

>>101371379
doesn't she like mumei though?

>>101372076
I'm pretty sure bae used the phrase herself

>>101377030
gura said she was the one who wanted the daki and corpo was blocking her in members' streams

>>101377030
So now sexy waifu designs are good actually but company's are evil for hiring people who didn't actually want to be vtubers after all.

>>101378164
He's right, you know

>>101330151 (OP)
No

>>101330151 (OP)
I'd torture Bae clitorally.