Thread 101539555

Today they announced that they will withdraw from transitioning to Prime market and they will not re-apply until "the timing is right"

This is very bad news for investors because that means there is 0% chance of them getting any money from Cover this year now that Cover does not become Prime for a foreseeable future

As I'm writing this thread, their stocks lost 9% of value in an instant but bounced back and is struggling at 2180 yen line

>>101539555 (OP)
The catfish is too strong, holy.....

>>101539555 (OP)
as long Cover doesn't follow the way of the Dodge vs. Ford, they will never enter the walled garden of the Prime market!

>>101539555 (OP)
what magical chart are you looking at where they hit 2180 yen

>>101539582
Based

>>101539555 (OP)
>flip timezone

>>101539555 (OP)
Good, they betrayed themselves first, it's only good they pay for it.

>>101539619
Search "Cover corp PTS" or "TYO 5253 PTS" on Google

>>101539555 (OP)
>Cover does not become Prime
Anycolor would be more appropriate for Logan Paul and KSI to acquire since that company is in the thick of it right now

>>101539555 (OP)
I wonder if part of my supas went to stockholders as dividends.

>>101539555 (OP)
BASEEEEEEEEEED I KNEEL YAGOO SAMA!!

>>101539555 (OP)
It's always weird to me how the investors are the good guys and victims whenever it comes to Cover.

>>101539555 (OP)
link anon... so i can read more

>>101539555 (OP)
With cover it looks like investors are treated like their little whores. Kinda based.

>>101539749
It's in the IR news section of Cover corp JP website. There is only JP version so you have to translate to EN for yourself

>cover gets to keep the girls' money away from grubby investors
uhh, based?

>>101539555 (OP)
so basically fuck investors? can I please just get the comfy days of hololive back where everyone isn't trying to do a big event, ReGLOSS 3D events don't feel like JP TV shows and EN isn't pandering to tumblr?

>>101539789
AmeSame was tumblr cancer so I don't know. You mean haachama and Coco EN 0?

>>101539555 (OP)
Good, fuck investors
Fucking bloodsucking leeches expecting every company to make more money every quarter until the end of time, and the customers have to suffer for it

>>101539555 (OP)
BASED YAGOD FUCK INVESTOR!!!

We've interviewed an independent investor. They are "less than delighted" and "very disappointed".

>>101539555 (OP)
>0% chance of returns this year” is just not how the market works.

Cover withdrawing their Prime Market application doesn’t automatically mean investors won’t see any gains. Prime listing is about exposure, liquidity, and long-term growth acceleration — it’s not the only driver of stock performance.

Returns can still come from actual business performance: major events, new talent debuts, international expansions, successful game launches, and financial results from merchandise or concerts.
Cover explicitly said they’ll reapply later and that this has minimal impact on their forecasts.

Also, the stock price rebounded after the initial dip, which suggests the market doesn’t fully buy into the doom narrative either.

Saying there’s a “0% chance of returns” just because they paused their Prime application is either emotional overreaction or a complete misunderstanding of how corporate growth and stock markets work.

If you’re in this just for short-term flips tied to Prime status, maybe you’re in the wrong stock.

>>101539627
kek

>>101539724
Are you joking or being serious?

>>101539768
link it pls

>>101539555 (OP)
Based Yagoo.

>>101539835
Cover has always told investors since public listing that they are still improving their own workforce and don't expect any 30 billion yen returns like how Anycolor promised, and this move is basically their last effort to scare away any greedy investors left who still cope that they will get the dividends soon

>>101539905
https://cover-corp.com/ir

>>101539922
Why do I feel they are banking on ocg and earth report before submitting for prime market

>>101539940
this one, right?
https://contents.xj-storage.jp/xcontents/AS05169/077bdb95/cc9f/4993/8703/583dd0ce25ff/140120250624597753.pdf

>>101539555 (OP)
no payback good based!!

>>101539713
still not seeing where it dropped to 2180

>>101539946
My rrat for reason why Japan Stock Market did not approve Cover's transition is that they do not have plans for dividends, and their overblown SG&A cost only gave more doubts to Cover's profitability for investors

So Cover withdrew and will re-apply once they improved their SG&A and doubled the revenue to make up for the cost

>>101539922
cope

>>101539789
strange complaint

>>101539956
Correct

>>101540020
Dawg look at the bottom right. You won't see it on Google stocks page because it is post market close

>>101540030
like i said >>101539605 Cover is still not willing to fuck over their talents and employees, that's why investor confidence is too low to get accepted.

Phasetranny melty

>>101540104
umm wrong tab?

>>101539555 (OP)
Cover prioritizing the talents over the vultures is a good thing. Screw those greedy scrooge mcfucks.

>>101540079
if they don't want to fuck the talents and employees then why the fuck they went public?

>>101539835
>If you’re in this just for short-term flips tied to Prime status, maybe you’re in the wrong stock.
I think that's exactly what Cover intended. They know giving them false hope of dividends will only become more miserable so they rip off the bandaid early on. They are willing to kneecap their stocks so that investors can stop bothering them about giving them money, which is a respectful move for fans not gonna lie

>>101539555 (OP)
Guys I think sister expected holobros to seethe at cover ..... We aren't supposed to support them

OP tryin to told you guys cover blah blah blah!!!

its actualy BASED investor got kick hahahahah!

the big short is coming

>>101540182for new studio
look at phase conncet no end games only five people have 3D correct me if im not wrong

@grok Am I supposed to care?

>>101539724
Only if you're a Nijinigger

>>101539555 (OP)
>there is 0% chance of them getting any money from Cover this year now that Cover does not become Prime for a foreseeable future
>tldr: fuck investors
so thats actually great news, thanks retarded opchama

>>101539555 (OP)
>not willing to give free money to investors (aka speculator jews)
based Yagoo

>>101539555 (OP)
I remember those days where Holokeks gloated that they're going to beat Niji in stocks. It feels so long ago now.

>>101539555 (OP)
>This is very bad news for investors because that means there is 0% chance of them getting any money from Cover
thats... great? fuck those retards

>>101539772
And what? Spend it on Holo Earth instead?

>>101540228
This is wrong. Yagoo said in an interview that they already had enough funds for all of their projects within the next 5 years before going public
>>101540182
Because of the law. Simply put: they were a venture funded company so when time was up, they had basically two option of either selling the company or going public (technically, there was a 3rd option of having Yagoo using his own money - not the company's money - to buy the company, but this option very rarely is picked by venture companies for obvious reason).
They didn't want to sell the company so going public was the only realistically available option

>>101539555 (OP)
>This is very bad news for investors because that means there is 0% chance of them getting any money from Cover
GOOD
this is not nijisanji
nigger

>>101539555 (OP)
oh no, not giving jewvestors easy money on the expense of your company and talents? Based Yagoo

>>101539555 (OP)
>Investors not getting money from Cover.
On one hand, based. On the other hand, it can make Cover look as an unreliable and a low trust company.

>>101539555 (OP)
FUCK YAGOO

Meanwhile…

>>101540646
You're acting like investors are worth anything for cover lmfao

>>101540666
Could you give me the context for this pic?
Like is it good or bad?

>>101540720
they/them think cover just like enikolor

>>101540054
still not seeing it, thanks for proving you're just another delulu sister

>>101540722
Depends for who.
For shareholders is great. They getting over 30 billion yen.
For people inside company... The money spend on investment in them is just 1/10 of that.

>>101540720
On one hand, they're the reason for the enshittification of Holo. On the other hand, Yagoo said himself this isn't sustainable without going public. They NEED investors.

>>101539555 (OP)
Another reason why they are pissed is that Cover intentionally announced this right after the deadline of sending questions for the general meeting of shareholders

That way when Cover receives questions about Prime, they can simply answer "Dont you niggas read the news?". Dunno how pissing off investors will give them leverage, but as long as they are less of a priority, then it's still good news for fans

>>101539789
>stagnate forever, make the same content that I personally like, pander to me
No.

>>101539921
Being too broke to give money to shareholders isn't a win

>>101540974
>Yagoo said himself this isn't sustainable without going public. They NEED investors.
He never said that. In fact, he said the opposite in another interview. Why do so many people get what he said wrong? Was it because of the "otherwise we'd have to sell the company" bit? (which, again, had little to do with how much money Cover had)

>>101541098
Nta but the key word
>"and continue the company"
You forgot they could also will be force to sell like idol and all small corpo, if they can't make money.

>>101540666
>t. investors

>>101539555 (OP)
Based. The investors will kneel or they can cry back to nijisanji

Cover is the number one V-Tubing company in the world because they treat their talents as people, and they respond by making them immense profits.

Revenue this year was bigger than Niji's, even if Niji has three times the talents and exploits them for the last penny.

>>101540921
nta but come on dude, do you not know what futures are

Prime used to be considered the First Section of the Tokyo Stock Exchange.
Growth is the second section of the TSE.
Now COVER is Growth and NIJI is Prime.
Prime is more trustworthy and easier to get investors' money, and is sometimes chosen to manage Japan's pension funds.
The advantage of growth companies is that they are not strongly required to pay annual dividends to shareholders because they are growing companies.
On the other hand, primes are under strong pressure to demand shareholder returns.
The size of COVER's market capitalization and daily trading value of shares is the size of a prime.
The daily stock trading value exceeds NIJI, so it is bizarre that a growth company has the massive size of a COVER company.
Some people think that it is unhealthy for the Japanese stock market to have a cover company in the growth class because the scale of selling and buying stocks is beyond the growth class.

Translated with DeepL.com (free version)

>>101541098
Yes, that's what he said. It wasn't a matter of not being sustainable. It was that he only had two realistic choices - by laws - to either sell the company or going public.
How much funds the company had, how profitable or sustainable they were had little to do with that

>>101539555 (OP)
why did Gura do this?

>>101541535
Makes Cover based? I don't know what she did but if it was her doing, I'm thankful!

>>101541394
Cover is the anomaly in investors' eyes. They are way too successful to bet them as a small no-future corpo, but Cover did what majority of big companies avoid doing, which is denying dividends or disrespecting the investors

Some also said that Cover is a fans' stocks because the only reason why it rises to this line instead of falling down to 3 digits is because of fans' influence. Cover should not be affected or feel pressured by investors since they did not promise them giving money in the first place, but there is conscience inside them telling that Cover's value lower than 1000 yen is "not right"

>>101539555 (OP)
>This is very bad news for investors

>>101541394
the more i read about this shit, the more it frustrates me because it only implies the whole stock market is specially rigged to jew the fuck out of honest companies. if i was asked what's the most evil thing that happened to humanity, i will always put Dodge vs. Ford at the top of the list.

>>101541724
>Dodge v Ford
QRD in non-legal lingo that google likes to give me

Yagoo didn’t kneel to the investors only because he plans to go back to China

>>101541759
Investors sued Ford company for prioritizing their employees over stock holders and they won

Basically "Investors Lives Matter"

>>101541759
Presumably, Dodge v. Ford Motor Co.
Basically, it's a supreme court case that said the owners had to operate the company in the interests of its shareholders, rather than in a manner for the benefit of his employees or customers.

>>101541394
So what this tells me is that Cover is delaying the pressure of paying dividends so they can use the money that was going to the investors to do other stuff.

>>101540452
Compared to waste it on buyback and dividend? Is that even a question?

>>101541793
>>101541823
also check out Dodge's company logo during the year the case happened.

>>101541416
>by laws
And who's law is this? Are you saying private companies can't exist in Japan?

>>101539555 (OP)
>This is very bad news for investors because that means there is 0% chance of them getting any money from Cover
That's the plan

>>101541834
Thanks, ChatGPT
>1. Prime Market = Greater Investor Scrutiny & Power
>Entering the Prime Market means:

>More institutional investors, including foreign ones, gain interest and influence.
>Higher expectations around corporate governance, transparency, and shareholder dialogue.

>Companies are expected to:
>Communicate strategic direction clearly.
>Respond to shareholder feedback more seriously.
>Possibly consider returns to shareholders, such as dividends or stock buybacks.

>So if a company like Cover is firmly controlling its own creative/business direction, it may intentionally avoid this extra pressure.

> 2. Cover's Existing Stance Aligns with Standard Market Behavior
>No dividend, no buybacks Keeps profits for reinvestment, growth, or cash reserves.
>Refusal to adapt to investor pressure Suggests they want to preserve autonomy in decision-making.

>This is more acceptable in the Standard Market, where:
>Governance requirements are lighter.
>Investor expectations for engagement and financial returns are lower.

>3. Strategic Control over Hololive's Brand
Hololive is a highly sensitive, creator-driven business.
>Being beholden to investor demands could threaten:
>Talent management
>Creative decisions
>Brand identity

>Cover likely wants to avoid external influence that might push for short-term profits over long-term vision or creative independence.

>Conclusion:
>Yes, the possibility that Cover stayed out of the Prime Market to avoid giving investors more leverage is entirely reasonable and consistent with their behavior.

>It reflects a strategy to preserve autonomy, avoid governance constraints, and stay in full control of a niche, creator-centered business where external interference could be risky.

>>101541787
Why would that be negative?
Not as in "Going to China isn't actually bad" but wouldn't investors support that? China's one of the largest markets on the planet, they would presumably support that. I also did a small check of how the prime market is set up, and it's for global investors, which would probably include China.

>>101541793
it's not just investors who sued Ford, it was a competitor company Dodge who did because they didn't like seeing a company who puts the interests of the common workers first before the investors. this set a huge precedent in the US law that companies are required to kneel over the whims of of the investors at the expense of the people.

>>101541787
good.

>>101541919
They can exist as long as they don’t have to answer to public investors or get capital outside of the owner’s or private funds.
Cover got investment from venture capital with the promise that they have to return the money in the future (common for VC and start-UPS). Problem is when the time is ripe the company usually can’t use the money they got from the operations to pay them back because the investors already have a stake in those profits, so it is not enough to pay them.

The options are to go public, get a sugar daddy that can pay them back or sell the company. Guess what is the lesser evil.

>>101541919
>And who's law is this?
Both JP and US have similar laws on this.
>Are you saying private companies can't exist in Japan?
Not venture funded companies, or companies funded by venture capitalists. You can look it up yourself, but basically venture funded companies are obligated to give venture capitalists a way to profit from their initial investments at the end of the cycle (which usually last roughly 6-10 years). At that point they had two usual options of either selling the company (so VCs get their parts) or going public (so VCs can cash their stocks out).
There are some less explored options (i.e: having the company president buying the company out but since you can't use the company's funds, this rarely happens) but those two are the most common choices.
If someone doesn't want their company to head that way, well, they could've chosen not to be funded by VCs to begin with.

>>101540666
Wait. Is this saying that Nijisanji's profits were divided as:
●30 billion yen to investors
●20 billion yen to Mergers and Aquisitions funds
●And only 3-5 billion yen to reinvesting into their own company projects and talent?

>>101541836
If you are worried that it isn't going to the talent what's the difference between some dumb project and investors?

>>101542201
>>101542214
I see. So they were fucked from the beginning, unless Hololive was profitable enough to pay back the VCs.

>>101542276
NTA, but if a project benefits the company, there is a good chance that the benefits will also trickle down to the talents.

>>101542201
Can't they just go back to being private now that apparently fulfilled their promise?

>>101542525
In theory they can, but they have to buy the shares the majority if not all the other investors outside of Cover have, tell the Tokyo Exchange that they are delisting from public and give the remaining shareholders what they owe.

>>101539555 (OP)
>This is very bad news for investors
meaning, good news for everyone else, lol

>>101541292
lmao you had to round up to reach 2180

>>101539555 (OP)
The fuck is a prime market?

Prime also has lower fees in ibkr, made quite a killing from anycolor stock just a few weeks ago.

>>101541021
Stagnating forever is when you don't pander to JPTV garbage?

I wonder if it's because of the subcontractor abuse and the subsequent collab with the Fair Trade Commission.

>>101543305
See >>101541957
for more likely explanation given that was Cover's decision

lmao

>>101540666
>3-5 billion yen for the projects of 180+ livers.
Isn't that a bit tight? I thought it would be more.

>>101542275
Yes, that's why these stock threads are fucking hilarious and giant self reports. Like an order of magnitude more money goes to the talents at Cover than anycolour and anycolor has almost 3x more talents to pay. Of course anycolor has better investor reports and higher stock prices, they get fucking PAID by them while Cover likes to actually use the money internally like a good company. Also almost guaranteed someone will reply with "b-b-b-ut holoearth". Even with that money sink they are still paying talents FAR more than anycolor.

>>101539555 (OP)
TEAR IT DOWN!!!
>BURN IT DOWN!!!
TEAR IT DOWN!!!
>BURN IT DOWN!!!
TEAR IT DOWN!!!
>BURN IT DOWN!!!
https://youtu.be/twUFbqyul_M
>https://youtu.be/twUFbqyul_M
https://youtu.be/twUFbqyul_M
>https://youtu.be/twUFbqyul_M

>>101543882
Because it is. Cover spends more than 3 billion each quarter for talent projects, merch and events

>>101542275
If you could fucking read, it literally says the money they gave to vtubers and employees are listed in their operating expense and that the 2 billion yen was for investments they put into media

>>101544016
>spending more while getting less is good, actually
Ah yes just like playstation defense threads on /v/witter!

>>101544063
Spending more on projects/talents and vulture investors getting elss is good, you are correct.

>>101539605
Dodge vs Ford was a mistake

>>101544091
>Make 2 times less money than your competitor
>"This is good actually"

>>101544134
>pay talents an actual livable salary
>actually invest back into your company
>”this is bad, actually”

>>101542754
It's how Japan's stock exchange is set up.
Prime basically means that they can (or should) be capable of giving a lot to investors.

>>101544428
>"Livable salary"
>Everyone is put into debt
>All the money goes into HoloEarth and other shitty expensive projects
>"This is good actually"

wtf is the "Prime market"

>>101544428
Right...weird how they keep leaving if working for the dorito provides such good conditions, huh?

>>101539555 (OP)
You don't do this without knowing that there is something coming that will greatly affect stock prices and investor confidence.

TRUST THE PLAN

>>101539555 (OP)
>Gura giveth
> Saba taketh
They don’t even have a monopoly over JP sphere, so without their most influential talent investors probably think this shit isn’t worth the trouble.Meanwhile i imagine cover is trying to scramble and find a “new” Gura

>>101544819
Finally! Pekora has been getting on my nerves recently. And its not like they need her anymore now that Miko is much bigger than her.

>>101541022
Holokeks are retarded, let them celebrate what calls for essentially cover’s downfall

>>101544908
If you seriously think Japanese investors cared about Gura you're delusional

>>101544891
Nigga thinks he's a valorant skin naaahh

>>101545013
>Cover downfall
in your dreams nijicuck

>>101539555 (OP)
consoom

>>101545072
>look at vtuber channel on discord with a bunch of holodrones
>all the news they post is either literal cover ads or fake drama about other company
I'm so tired.

>>101544908
>gura, saba
literally has no affect on anything, seething ligger.

Hololive will continue to dominate this faggot sphere.

today I will remind them

>>101544908
they will never find a new Gura. vtubing relies a lot on "firsts" and if you missed it, you're fucked forever. at this point the only way they can manufacture a Gura is if they find a talent that excels on a still unexplored area, like an actual circus performer, for example.

kek they found out run

>>101545166
>tubing relies a lot on "firsts"
not just vtubing but business in general

>>101540666
What the fuck
I didn't even bother to check out this year's IR but they have this front and center while hiding away questions about NijiEN...

The investors

>>101545072
So why do liggers shit and piss themselves over this anyway?
What's the difference between eating a burger on stream twice a year and your whoretuber running 20 twitch ads a day?

>>101541394
God, I hate the stock market..

>>101545127
>Abuse and refuse to pay artists
>Still too poor to return money to investors

I'd be embarrassed

>>101545291
>flop bunny who fell off

no, but seriously what's his deal
does he got an actual plan for all of this?

>>101545291
i have no issue with the PR streams since the shilling is just isolated there at least. i took issue with the Coke product placement on Mikorone 24 and JP Raid Legends during the New Year countdown because those have no place there since they're holomem-organized events.

>>101544819
International merch sales are suffering because of the tariff scares, so it's possible that their next bottom line won't look very good.
Fortunately for the fans, this uncomfortable situation made Cover so desperate that they decided to make compromises in order to keep certain talents who were on their way out.

>>101545072
>Promoting Obesity, Diabetes, Alcoholism, liver failure, Cancer and Chinese spyware.
That sad state of the virtual Idol industry.

>>101545166
They COULD manufacture one artificially the way Niji did with Salome, but unless she's actually good enough to keep that slot, it's going to be very unstable. They'd need to bet everything on an unknown variable.

Right now they seem to be attempting that with Fuwamoco and Biboo, but I don't think either of the two would fit for being their global face. Biboo repels normies by being too childish and having a weird voice, and Fuwamoco's voices and tastes are extremely off-putting for many western people. (Most westerners would be shocked at their tastes in VNs, anime, etc.)

...Ironically, if they wan a completely global face, they need someone whose brand is relatively sterile for the masses, has easy potential to go viral, has a relatively popular skill, and (possibly optional)has the respect from most of the content creation scene to help boost it further and keep her in the spotlight.
...Basically, they'd need a Dokibird equivalent. Not her specifically since she'd never join and has too much baggage, but someone with the same kind of brand-safe humor, popular skills, clout, and is easily clippable to go viral.

Shit, /#/ was right, the last 20 messages are just BVTM browncord jerking themselves off.

>>101545827
>They'd need a Walmart Hinano
Grim.

>>101539555 (OP)
>this is the mori era of hololive

>>101545827
>They COULD manufacture one artificially the way Niji did with Salome
Salome would have been a top talent anywhere she went. she doesn't need manufacturing. She would have been way bigger in hololive though

>>101546068
>she doesn't need manufacturing.
She kinda did.
All support dropped after she hit 1m and that year's IR went out. Then she was shoved aside behind some kind of new boy band

>>101545827
and a good model. i can never stress enough how a model also carries a talent since a good visual always create first impressions. Gura, Suisei, Miko, and Pekora have relatively simple designs. I'd argue Gigi would had become an ace if she wasn't given a busy as fuck model. Biboo is a good modern Hololive design, but yeah her personality is not everyone's cup of tea.

>>101542405
LMAO what a fucking retard

>>101546143
Crap, yeah I forgot that.
A widely appealing model is huge, too.
It doesn't have to be flat or loli or androgynous, but has to be conservative enough to at least hide it the way Gura did with her hoodie.

>>101545806
>sakeboys
ETIKA DIDN'T DIE FOR THIS

>>101539555 (OP)
>Cover refuses to give the greedy investors easy money
thanks for the good news, op

>>101540722
>Like is it good or bad?
This is Anycolor - so it is bad.
If it says Cover - it is good.

>>101540461
What obvious reason?

>>101541021
Yes

>>101546503
It's expensive as hell. Yagoo doesn't have a few billion lying around in liquid cash.

>>101545806
hey Japanese alcohol is great

>>101546122
The idea that Salome was manufactured is a /#/ cope. The reason she blew up and fell off like she did is simply because she caught the attention of Japanese normies, and like any normies anywhere, they're numerous, but fickle trendchasers.
If there's anything controversial about her, it's the fact that she might be played by the same person as Debi.

>>101541867
Link

>>101545827
How did Gura got away with blatant pedo pandering to normalfags?

>>101546503
It's not normal for a CEO to have more money than the company that is the source of their money (especially in a company like this where it's not a top-down structure), do you think the world has trillionaires running the biggest corporations?

>>101539555 (OP)
What did Phase do now?

>>101546588
Gura caught the attention of normies and stayed relatively big until the end. The biggest difference is her constantly getting promoted even if she didn't stream.

>>101546620
Easy. It wasn't blatant enough for people to notice on the surface. All most people saw was the hoodie

>>101539835
>Saying there’s a “0% chance of returns” just because they paused their Prime application is either emotional overreaction or a complete misunderstanding of how corporate growth and stock markets work.
One singular person can post something retarded on twitter and make investors panic. After trading stocks for almost 15 years, you'll quickly realize how much of a bumbling retard an average investor is. Like, no research, no nothing will be done, a guy will just dump a lot of money into X, like it's magic.

>>101544053
And if (You) could read, you'd notice I said
>And only 3-5 billion yen to reinvesting into their own company projects and talent?
Talent and employee remuneration is NOT "investing" in them. It is an operational cost and a reimbursement for the services they provide the company that they are legally and contractually obligated to pay. An investment would be something like extra projects and promoting talents for company specific purposes. Nothing I said in that post was wrong.

>>101547410
>An investment would be something like extra projects and promoting talents for company specific purposes
That's not what that means, you blabbering retard. Capex means upgrading equipment and the investments refers to investing in animes and games. It doesn't say anything about talent projects because that's included in the operating expense. Learn to read

>>101546588
i still believe it. Salome debuted to celebrate Nijisanji channel's 1 million subs, and her name literally means "1 Million Roses". she became viral because her ojou kayfabe was something that was never seen in corpo vtubing before.

Salome's greatest enemy, ironically, is Nijisanji itself. being a female vtuber is a huge debuff in that company, and it feels like a huge bucket of crabs there since there's no sense of unity there and they have one of the most toxic fanbases in vtubing. like others said, if Salome was Hololive, she's probably one of their biggest talents now.

>>101545105
>>101545806
>My lignigger whore twitch oshi would NEVER take Coca-Cola's money! They would NEVER accept a sponsorship or a disgusting collab deal. These optional sponsorships that make a ton of money for the girls are the worst! Now excuse me, I have to go find out how to buy my favorite onlyfans twitch ethot's hyte case.
Ligniggers are the worst part of vtubing fandoms. They are worse than even nijisisters. Behead all ligniggers and roundhouse their bodies into a ditch where they can be eaten by feral dogs.

While we're at this and the stockposters are on, what does "foreign exchange loss" mean in this case for Niji? Also what would classify as non-current assets?

>>101539555 (OP)
>cover stock lost 9%
>after they sold their share to paid their debt to produce better idol show
oh no, how could Yagoo ever recover from this

>>101545626
The Coca-Cola sponsorship deal allowed Miko and Korone to afford and do more things for their 24 hour show. The Coca-Cola sponsorship was not for Cover, who had very little involvement with Mikkorone24 compared to last time. It was for them, you buffoon.
>>101547665

>>101541021
>farmers are 'stagnating' because they keep making food
>steel mills are 'stagnating' because they keep making steel
>hoover is 'stagnating' because they keep making vacuum cleaners
- t. anon

>>101547690
>foreign exchange loss
I'm no financial expert, but this probably has to do with losing money from exchanging currencies, no?
It doesn't even need to be from exchange rates themselves, but could also be due to the yen losing value and the delays in the process of exchanging currency.
For example, any foreign superchats and memberships they receive get held onto by google for a month. If the channel is paid in yen, then google converts the money when they receive the superchat and adds it to their channel's monthly revenue total. If the value of the yen falls enough within that month, Anycolor will receive the same amount of yen, but it will be worth less than the amount the superchat was originally worth when the talent received it a month ago.

>>101539605
>as long Cover doesn't follow the way of the Dodge vs. Ford
Good
Dodge vs. Ford remains a disastrous ruling that should be ignored.

>>101547975
You think farming or steel mills, or even vacuum cleaners are the same as they were 10 years ago?
If you don't innovate in any way, you are gonna be left behind. Even you will change and will probably get bored of hololive one day. Things move on.

>>101539555 (OP)
>Yosuke Kaneko
Kaneko Lumi's father.

>>101547785
So you agree that cover doesn't pay their talents enough.

>>101548064
funny the "innovations" as of recent is how to make unserviceable appliances that break at the fastest amount of time possible to make people buy more.

>>101548030
Neat. That makes sense since there was that collapse last year.

>>101548183
Why would they want to spend tons of their own money on their show when they could spend tons of someone else's money on their show in exchange for a minimumally invasive ad?
Are you retarded?

>>101548064
Your point is you want the farmer in the business of making food to stop making food.
My point is if he stops making food he is an idiot who doesn't understand what business he is in or what value he is providing (like you).

>>101544891
Yagoo was at the Nintendo direct?

>>101539555 (OP)
>>101541957
>Keeping investors from having control over the company in order to do short term profits for long term collapse is bad

This keeps the investors from making COVER do something that might make a ton of money in the short term but cause all the talents to quit in the long term killing the company.

And this is bad that retarded investors can't do this?

>>101548464
Yeah, he was there. He wasn't presenting anything, but he was there in person.

>>101546620
how did shiori get away with cheating even though her sisters are married?

>>101547577
>壱百満天原
>"1 million roses"
Do your reps. It's not the right kanji. "Million" is 百万, not 百満, and "rose" is 薔薇, not 原.
Her name is a reference to the compound "百点満点(Hyakuten-manten)" which means "100/100" and is commonly used to refer to perfection, just like the English "10/10". It points to her lore as a normal girl who wants to become the perfect ojousama.
While 百満天(Hyakumanten) does sound exactly like "1,000,000 points" when read out loud, thinking it's a sign of some conspiracy is misguided because Niji names had these kinds of kanji puns for as long as they existed, like how Yashiro Kizuku(社築) can be read as shachiku(wage slave) and how "Sukoya Kana" literally just means "healthy."

>>101548581
>How did OJ get away with murder even though everyone knew he did it?
This is what your retarded whataboutism sounds like, idiot. No one knows what you're talking about and no one cares about shiori. The fact you even got angry enough to reply to someone accusing Gura of "pedo pandering" is embarrassing. No chumbud would have ever taken that seriously.
Also shiori is an only child, you head-dented retard, so whatever you're talking about is probably wrong anyways.

>>101548581
Don't you have some "merch sells" to worry about, pajeet?

>>101548288
You're talking to a Nijinigger, retarded is their family name

>>101548952
Then I assume it is Japanese name order, correct?

>>101548807
I mean shiori is degenerate whore
how is pedophilia better? :O

>>101548807
>shiori
oh I meant nerissa
who cares they are all ruining my precious vtubing with "teehee boobies and vagina"
or "teehee Im a loli using a pacifier but i wont say crab in japanese teehee"
fuck you
gura come back and save us uoooohh :sob: :sob:

Holo Earth will bankrupt COVER
This is often said by the anti's and SISTERs.
But do they know the annual amortization of Holo Earth?
How can a company that does not pay annual dividends to shareholders go bankrupt with the amortization amount of Holo Earth?
The annual dividend to shareholders is a bigger expense.
If you want, the cover can afford to make another Holo Earth
This is assuming they disregard their shareholders.
Until they are strongly urged to do so by the TSE, they should stick to the “Growth” section of the TSE Second Section, where there is less pressure on shareholders to pay annual dividends.
TSE stands for Tokyo Stock Exchange.
The TSE First Section “Prime” will bring in more money, but you have to seriously consider dividends to shareholders.
Perhaps the “must be a listed company” condition promised to VCs by Covered Company is sufficient for TSE 2nd section. After all, venture capitalists are only interested in selling shares, so the TSE 2nd section should be sufficient for them.

>>101544467
so why doesn't Cover go for Standard market then rather than Growth as a compromise, or is Standard just the limbo second stage and Growth is better for them

>>101539724
No, you're just paying the salaries of their 500 game devs.

>>101539555 (OP)
Based

>>101550679
it isn't that easy to go into standard

>>101545827
>They COULD manufacture one artificially the way Niji did with Salome, but unless she's actually good enough to keep that slot, it's going to be very unstable.
Biboo was their best attempt to replace Gura but when excluding botting her average CCV is about 1/3rd of Gura. That is good for a talent from a new EN gen but it shows that Hololive marketing is more limited in the western market. Fuwamoco got a huge boost in subscribers from JP fans but there is little chance they can do that again with Justice or EN5.

>>101546620
>How did Gura got away with blatant pedo pandering to normalfags?
Cover forced that because of greed and they shot their own foot. Gura was their best chance at going mainstream and the Gura daki might have been their most expensive mistake in HoloEN.

>>101546157
Holos will get paid for their appearances and voices lines in the game, just like in every other holo project, you would have to be clinically retarded or purposefully disingenuous to say otherwise.

>>101551963
>Gura daki might have been their most expensive mistake in HoloEN
that daki had no negative effect on Hololive
minority of twitter seething trannies do not impact reality

>>101547690
Is this just Cover's profits? the loss of Gura hasn't quite hit since they are still selling her likeness. Wonder how long they'll be able to beat that horse?

>>101545072
Gura Happy Meals are no longer a possibility.
Hololive's world expansion is no longer as strong as when the reclassification was proposed.

>>101542276
Dumb project or whatever you still at least got something as a customer, giving money to opportunistic leeches don't. What a fucking dumb question

>>101552234
>they are still selling her likeness
they aren't making new merch of her and already removed her from adverts
what do you mean?

>>101552246
US market is harder to enter because of orange man as well

>>101539789
Fuck investors, yes.

>>101544743
Nigger are you really trying to claim that Gura wasn't receiving a livable income? Are you actually retarded?

>>101540396
only because Niji flew too close to the sun and burned all their talents

>>101552442
Saba's merch will be made by Omocat, based in California.
No tariffs, cheap shipping, and the money will pay US workers instead of the Chinese.

The reason why shelves aren't empty as predicted is that there is no shortage of countries willing to produce cheap goods. Cover at least found a different supplier for the Dino Gura re-release.

>>101545166
Or biboo

>>101552494
>Leaves
>Immediately becomes an indie that looks similar to Gura
Nah smartGOD, she was having a good time while under the dorito!!!

>>101553068
she wasn't suffering
it was just difference in direction and the corporate pressure to appear in various events, that's understandable

>>101544908
If they’re smart they’ll just do a reverse … movement that I dare not even mention.

Basically go to whatever the woke equivalent of 4chan is and kick people in the shins until someone says something mean to a talent, then keep escalating and doing hit pieces on the community and call the backlash a “harassment campaign”.

>>101545827
> Biboo repels normies by being too childish and having a weird voice

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hMzfGZ0qSA

>>101546143
> Gigi would had become an ace

>>101553769
gura is literally an autistic brony and talks like one

>>101546588
WAIT WHAT?!

>>101553068
Yes, I'm sure she did, she just got rid of the middleman, there is nothing wrong with that. Now try again without dodging the question. Are you trying to claim that Gura wasn't receiving a livable income?

>>101546588
The little furball?

>>101544743
cover = 110 iykyk

>>101546588
>it's the fact that she might be played by the same person as Debi
I am interested in this rrat.

>>101545827
I can’t think of many in the western meme pop culture era more influential than Gura/senz. Her shit posts influenced an entire generation of content creators to copy her and even as Gura continued to inspire people expanding her influence even more with how many vtubers in the space respect her.

>>101546620
Gura by design and personality is someone who people consider is constantly trolling so even when she is serious based on her background its easy to say “haha she’s trolling” and even now it continues to be the case

>>101553769
Biboo just like shondo is a normie repellent, she isn’t as edgy but she leans too heavily into the baby shit. Gura was childish in speech and but not in manner all the time and she brought up topics that reached all demographics not just zoomer humor

>>101553881
>>101553969
>>101554058
This rrat was pretty weak in her early days because some gentlemen said that their periods were mismatched and Salome slipped that she has tritanopia, which Debi never showed.
However, it's been three years since and despite both of them streaming a decent amount, their streams have never once overlapped, they never participated in any big events together(even in NijiGTA they were never online at the same time), and there's very little overlap between their circles. You would think she'd have collabed with Rion if only because both are ojousamas, but they never did. Salome being Debi would explain it because DebiRion are close and it would probably be difficult for Rion to collab with Salome and act like they don't know each other.
Perhaps most damning of all are slip-ups like this.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/TXJkwttt-AQ
Maybe Salome's voice isn't that unique, but for it to be shared by this particular gremlin? And fellow Nijisanji member?
Sus.

>>101552053
Whatever Cover did to lose Gura is a huge mistake. There are bigger JP talents but in terms of western recognition there will never be another EN talent like Gura. Yagoo fumbled the ball and he should have found a way to settle the contract disputes in Hololive.

>>101554786
>too heavily into the baby shit
not enough

>>101555084
Cover trying to be an idol company was a mistake

>>101555132
That was Sora-sama idea from the start retard
also a successful one idol concerts attracted a lot of idol otaku who now also gachikoi for talents

>losing so bad they don't have enough money to pay for investors
Wowow i thought that genshinslop and tcg could save their face

>>101555316
>not paying investors
remind me why this is a bad thing again?

>>101548064
This happened to me after 5th fes.
I watch (EN) indies now like Chromuchromu, and formerly Marimari_EN, and I sometimes watch Phase Connect.
All of the Japanese stuff got tiring.
It's nice being a native English speaker, and being your chuubas' company's main audience.

>>101555352
Because concerts and merch alone won't help you have enough money to maintain that HoloEarth game.

>>101555316
Nah they have more than enough money. Anycolor right now has 16 billion yen of leftover profit but they locked it up as they wait for additional 14 billion yen of new fiscal year profit so that they can send all of 30 billion yen to investors by April next year

Cover has 8 billion yen of leftover profit but it will not go anywhere, so they literally have 8 billion yen in their office with no purpose other than emergency money. They absolutely can promise investors to give them even half of what Anycolor gave and investors would still be happy, but Cover refused to give a single dime to them, which makes them seethe

>>101555518
for me it's the opposite
I realized western women just aren't funny, cute or interesting compared to JP ones

>>101555631
>HoloEarth game
That's still a thing? I thought that was cancelled

>>101555631
they are never going bankrupt
at this point Hololive brand is just too big, they literally cooperate with JP government, Mori was performing for imperial family at Osaka expo opening ceremony etc

>>101539555 (OP)
>pamper investors and get fucked after transition
>cuck investors and fuck your share price
how is going public working out, holokeks?

>>101555650
https://holoearth.com/en/
Just updated today

>>101555650
they always show tidbits of it from time to time

>>101555640
Counterpoint: Chromuchromu, Marimari_EN, Fallenshadow, Jelly Hoshiumi, Pipkin Pippa
The best part? You don't have to learn Japanese to enjoy them!

>>101555758
I hope you're trolling
genuinely

>>101555758
Chromuchromu, Marimari_EN, Fallenshadow, Pipkin Pippa
Western women who aren’t funny

>Jelly Hoshiumi
Is in an arranged marriage with her younger cousin

Should have never gone public in the first place. There's enough private equity around to fund them without the public offering.

>>101555640
The only reason you like the japanese vtubers is because you can't understand them.

>>101555874
>Should have never gone public in the first place.
That's not how VC funding works

>>101555913
do your reps

>>101555874
Yagoo himself stated they had basically no choice on this

>>101556169
>>101556097
Nah, I'm good. Have fun, ken-sama.

>>101556096
>>101556136
Well then the blame goes to the VCs, still shouldn't have gone public.

>>101555913
>he doesn't speak japanese

>>101555913
It's 2025, you had at least 5 years to learn Japanese by now if you were a pandemic bandwagoner

>>101542661
imagine nitpicking not even half a dollar, but half a yen

>>101539605
Why cant nips and other asians follow basic merchant law. Its 2025, i have a 401k and roth. I have stock in the spy500. Shareholder primacy isnt regarded everywhere?

Without dodge vs ford, where would we be?

>>101556169
We listening to Freud now?

>>101539555 (OP)
Investors took the news surprisingly tame. Sure they are in the red now but the trajectory is actually on a recovery track. Also Anycolor lost more yens than Cover today so might as well assume this is not the main cause of the stock drop

>>101555810
>>101555856
Marimari_EN, Chromuchromu, Fallenshadow, Pipkin Pippa and Jelly Hoshiumi are all funny, cute and/or interesting. You're being unreasonable if you don't admit they're at least interesting.
I also admit, some of their friends and people they associate with are shitty Vtubers.

There are a lot of shitty EN Vtubers out there, like Filian, Bao, ShyLily, Nyanners, Ironmouse etc.

>>101559273
>Without dodge vs ford, where would we be?
A better timeline.

>>101564047
>I like phase and fuck anybody bigger than them
Jesus christ talk about stereotypical. You were probably one of the people shitting on marimari before she joined.

>>101559273
in outer space in our own fucking self-contained planets instead of bitching and moaning about MUH MONEY

>>101564210
I'm actually the opposite. I used to watch Mari regularly but watch her less now that she joined. I preferred her old style of content

Also no, I never fucking said that you freak. I don't hate them because they're big. I just dislike their content. Fuck you.

>>101564558
Sure thing, anon. It just so happens that you accidentally mentioned only phase members + shondo, a /here/tuber.

>>101564654
Chromu isn't Phase, and I didn't make Mari join Phase.

>>101539823
least disgusting investor found

>>101542754
>>101544467
>>101541957
Also, for what it's worth, this is pretty much just an asian thing. In the US stock market most of our companies don't pay meaningful dividends and would fit into the "growth" classification within the Japanese market. Our big tech stocks are notorious for not paying dividends or paying very small dividends -- Nvidia famously only pays $1 per share per year in dividends despite being one of the biggest companies in the world. Instead these stocks provide shareholder value by simply growing a lot and having their share value increase greatly.

>>101552816
>No tariffs, cheap shipping, and the money will pay US workers instead of the Chinese.
Don't be delusional. Tariffs are based on the product's country of origin, not the company's address. Omocat's products are manufactured in China/Thailand/Viatname like everyone else. Tariff pricing will be built into the selling price.

bump

>>101556169
>attributing one's own unacceptable urges to another
the thing was confirmed but because it was years ago and he is such a good guy now it was ignored :D
just be charismatic creep I guess

>>101555650
worse, it came out and nobody cared
it was supposed to make them billions and it's a concord level failure

>>101539555 (OP)
More graduations incoming

>>101539789
You will have everything you love ruined and you will live with it

>>101555856
>Jelly is in an arranged marriage with her younger cousin
i d like some source for that claim.

>>101539555 (OP)
Get these losers off my screen!
Private equity is the new IN.

>>101559273
>>101541759
Dodge vs Ford is why its important to maintain majority stake IF you do issue public stock.
Otherwise you could risk somebody buying the stock, and starting selling off the company piece by piece and force the company to pay out the surplus cash as dividends each new fiscal year.
Or as in the case of Dodge vs Ford motor company::It resulted in a long term devaluation and skill of the workforce, and I'd argue it only went well because of the post WW2 boom resulting in delaying the consequences.

>>101571728
shareholders are no better than thugs that want to rob you of all you are worth the and there rather than accepting a smaller but longer lasting cut

>>101555758
I'd rather kms than have to suffer though even a clip of a phase cunt's "humor"

>>101556399
you dont know how business works

>>101539555 (OP)
I don't see how this is bad news at all? Cover Corp went public just two years ago. Had massive growth but honestly way too new for Prime Market reclassification. They should stay as a growth stock until they reach Blackrock levels of their grubby hands into everything.

>>101540666
> The Company disclosed its policy to aim for a divident payout ratio of 30% or higher
Ughh, 30% divident rate? Is there a businessister, who can clarify how sustainable it is?

>>101573258
As long as Anycolor doesn't have plans on making new media stuff or opening new headquarters and the merch spam continues to work, they are more than capable of sending leftover profits to investors

>>101573258
30% is comically high. Only shipping company scams reach a higher dividend percentage, and those always collapse after a year or two.

I wouldn't touch Anycolor with a 39.5 foot pole. You might get some good dividends out of it for a while but the share value will continue to drop as the company gets shakier and shakier and that will eat into your total return pretty significantly. Not saying I would invest in Cover either, they're going for high growth but also not achieving any meaningful growth, but Anycolor's strategy has 3-5 year bankruptcy timeframe written all over it.

>>101573258
>>101573475
This is only till they reach the 30 billion yen payout of which a 3rd of that has already been paid out.
Also even after buybacks,dividend and buying a new studio they have almost the same cash on hand as they did last year.

>>101574297
Look, when it comes to stocks, if something looks too good to be true it's because it isn't true. When you see a company posting numbers like what Anycolor is posting, and then you look into how they operate their business and you see it's on incredibly thin ice that is getting thinner every day, you realize quite quickly that you are better off not investing in that company. If you time your exit perfectly you might be fine, but once the bottom falls out... it'll go to zero in no time.

>>101573475
well riku by his own interview is not intrested in long term growth he just want that money

>>101574497
all the buybacks seem counterintuitive to that

>>101573475
Guess who own the majority share.

>>101539555 (OP)
I know nothing about stocks other than you can make money from them, can I get a tl;dr?

Aside from absurd costs, is there anything stopping cover/Tanigo Motoaki from buying back stocks from both the initial funding and after going public?

>>101559273
Shareholder primacy is bad because it's allowed corporations to slowly buy up companies via majority share and eventually install their own people on the board of directors completely changing the direction of a company.

>>101579311
that's exactly what Dodge intended to do that's why they sued Ford

>>101578431
Cover ownership is still structure in a way where its possible to(by stock/board vote) prioritize low payouts over risking going in 0 over paying out the surplus cash per year.

>>101578899
If the value of the stock has gone up since going public, that is a lot of money.
Also I'd image Japan has the same problem the west has, where the actual equity is very low, meaning its also hard to spend that much money

>>101539555 (OP)
thanks for the great news, investor cocksucker

>>101573475
More than two-thirds of Anycolor's revenue came from merch alone. The livestream revenue basically plateud even though they have 20+ new livers and the event revenue don't have big jumps like Cover's

It is clear that their company is banking on the sisters buying their merch and CDs, and since they have 150+ IPs on their disposal, it is literally money glitch for Anycolor. So until something drastic happened that directly impact the sisters' ability to buy merch, this company will continue to survive and they can freely give as much money to investors as they wish

The fact that they promised to INCREASE percentage of dividend payout means they are very confident with their plan. Though like a wise man once said, don't eat more than you can chew

>>101580068
Thing you do need to understand is event did go up a ton more than what is really shown.
Anycolor for some odd reason only does ticket sales as event revenue any merch items sold at or for is not included.
They had a massive 536,000 concert ticket sales for the year this also doesn't include liver camera's(camera feed that only look at said talent when they are on screen)

>>101580826
cover was 520,000

>>101580826
I've never heard of liver cameras. How does that work on an extended show?

>>101581231
So you buy the main ticket then you can spend another 2500 yen and whenever that talent is on stage you get a different view otherwise it looks like normal.