did she sudoku?

>>101575864 (OP)
Her fans would take her back with open arms. Vast majority does not care what she did.

I will forgive them if they do naked dogeza and do hardcore fansly content.

>>101575864 (OP)
Fans don’t care, she just won’t get collabs or any of the popular artists anymore for a while

>>101575864 (OP)
I sure hope not, especially now that there’s evidence proving that the accusations against her are bullshit and that Shylily started all of this just to get rid of her.

>>101576046
>specially now that there’s evidence proving that the accusations against her are bullshit and that Shylily started all of this just to get rid of her.
sauce?

>>101576046
qrd??

>>101575885
Dedicated fans would take back a vtuber even if she committed a murder. The fans aren't the issue, imo. It's the fact that she's a known backstabber, and won't be able to make any good connections again.

>>101576046
>Pyrocucks still seething and ignoring that Sinder literally admitted to the accusations

can't wait for her to come back and start doing flushy OF and finally showing her tits

>>101576098
>>101576139
Someone posted a doc that analyzes some of the docs and accusations put against Sinder, QRD is that the screenshots used as proof were deliberately shown out of context and chronological order and that thenwhole situation was a coordinated attempt at character assassination: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zAXNuIVYhhe_Ny_f9Xdg151qzF6tvdtqE_UeF7mvJAk/

>>101576098
>>101576139
Nta. I remember it being less of a full exoneration of Sinder, and more that Shylily was also being way more vindictive than she lets on.

There was a twitter thread where a few people teamed up (sorta) and wrote a docky going through each point. I managed to find some of the links. there is some extra digging you can do if you look at their accounts and start looking through replies and interactions. But the links below give 90%

This guy did a docky. seems like a sinder enjoyer. Link to docky in first reply comment:
https://x.com/johny_zk/status/1931066979927884154
This guy said something and was partly involved too, idk what and i am not re-reading:
https://x.com/Comrade_Del/status/1919417544210796868
And they ref-ed the Powdur doc:
https://x.com/powdury/status/1919309919364186483

There was also a breakdown over a few very long Armcha1r Expert deep dive streams. Only one was about Sinder iirc, but he has done a few on Shylily, and grew more and more sceptical/cynical of how she handles things publicly and privately. This is probably too much of a commitment to watch the 20+ hours, so the tldr is she is what she says doesn't always line up with actions and can come across as selfish and a bit manipulative at times. and that the artist Nano, was evaded any responsibility for her actions and was given a free pass for her unprofessional conduct.

Sinder breakdown the movie:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHvb01garNg

>>101575864 (OP)
Don't think she will come back, her entire persona all built around this cool and chill girl that never existed.

>>101576707
I'd think she will come back, but she won't be doing what she previously did. Even if she loses 80% of her audienc. The most loyal ones that are the main money spender will still remain. Along with likely leaning more on adult content. Horny people don't give a shit if she is evil or not. Infact, it will make some even more horny.

>>101576609
>a Pyrocuck
>the bitch who greyknighted Sinder because they both went ham on smaller vtubers bearing a passing resemblance to them
>anti-indie phasefag dramanigger

Ah yes, only the most reliable of sources.

>>101576609
>over 10 hour video about sinder
what the fuck

>>101576945
Didn't say it was reliable. Just providing the sauces for the previous anon.

>>101576982
He is a high level Media/Pr autist.

>>101576465
Lmao he's actually still trying!

>>101576465
she won't fuck you lil bro

>>101577078
aka unemployed

>>101575864 (OP)
nah, rebranding takes a while

>>101577125
>lil bro
Go back to Twitter, you underage faggot.

>>101576030
>popular artists
She can still get a popular artist just not a popular western artist. She should commission JP/KR/TW/CN artist that's disconnected with the whole drama

>>101577262
she won't fuck you unc

>>101576465
>The virtue of justice consists in moderation, as regulated by wisdom. - Aristotle

kek

>>101577209
anon, you are spending your time on /vt/ arguing.
You are not as cool as you think you are.

does she do anything other than collabs and merch drops? seems like plenty of other vtubers get by fine without those things, but its apparently a career killer for her

She used to do Joi and nsfw audios as her other persona Tashi.mp3

>>101576465
The QRD is the person who wrote this is completely insane and has no idea what he's talking about, the only thing out of context is this whole doc and the awful philosopher quote.

It also changes nothing about the fact that Sinder did do everything she was accused of, and tries to deflect away from that by kvetching about "muh chronological order" as though that changes anything.

>>101577610
i have a job

>>101577728
I remember those. Vanilla as fuck but pretty well done.

>>101577823
that's the tl;dr, not the QRD you fucking tourist

>>101575864 (OP)
If anything shes probably just going to let that model and character die and completely re-brand in a few months time if ever

>>101576145
Nah, the issue is the fact that she's a used rag since before she was even Sinder, and she's also a whore that cheated on her cuck BF on top. Now that's a career killer.
On top of that her whole "personality" and worth as a vtuber was her looks, which were heavily attached to Nanoless.
She's never coming back, she knows its pointless, not to mention she's a rich bitch that doesn't even need it in the first place.

I'd give it 3 months to let controversies blow over, by that point people have latched on to some new thing or got bored of old things.
I think the other main problem is the fear of these other cunts finding out she's come back and launching their simps at her.
Honestly I'm not even a sinder watcher, but I do feel like this was all blown out of proportion against her.

>>101577823
i'm just gonna use you as a spring board for my own thoughts if thats ok.
>the fact that Sinder did do everything she was accused of
That's the thing though sinder didn't manipulate or gaslight nanoless and thats the main thing she's accused of so she's only like half guilty of most of the accusations.
>"muh chronological order"
The out of order stuff does matter, bao of all people fell for it and it does paint a different picture if you don't pay any attention to the dates; Hell, nanos screenshots are also oddly cropped often removing like a single message between a few of them for some reason and sometimes not even showing you the stat of a few of the conversations.

It's also funny because a dude in these threads also goes "muh whore testimony" despite the fact that if they all colluded together then that compromises the testimony. there's a case where a dude by the name of Jian Ghomeshi was accused by all his ex's of raping and beating them, then when it went to court it tuns out they couldn't remember anything about their relationship correctly. why you might ask? because they colluded together and that compromised their memory of events. We would not still be fishing dudes out of jail with hard DNA evidence if bitches could remember who raped them correctly. so when a bunch of angry women try to give Testimony about someone I tend to take it with a little salt and i'm surprised when other people don't.

In shot, just because someones an asshole is not an excuse to be a worse one back to them and start making shit up when the truth was enough to begin with, so a lot of people see this as just a bunch of fatherless bitches having a catfight and don't really give a fuck.

>>101576046
Mizu please. This is getting embarrassing at this point.

>>101578907
I'd say it was blown out of proportion just because of how widely it spread, even outside of the vtuber sphere. But in terms of what she actually did, cheating is whatever, but the fact that she punched down so hard and mercilessly, to people she didn't even know, isn't going to be something she can sweep under the rug.

>>101577823
>kvetching about "muh chronological order" as though that changes anything
What is it like being so retarded that you can't understand time and causality?

>>101575864 (OP)
Who

>>101579062
The main accusation is that she is a huge bitch behind the scenes which is pretty bad for someone who does a lot of collaborations.

So her hatred of Silver and the fact that she/red wanted nano to cancel other peoples models looks bad for her.

>>101575864 (OP)
WHERE IS HER PORN AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

>>101577823
>>101579321
Chronological order does matter anon. Having things out of order can change the context of a messaged depending on what is next to.

Doesn't change everything. But does have an contextual impacts to some of the accusations.

>>101579449
>The main accusation is that she is a huge bitch behind the scenes which is pretty bad for someone who does a lot of collaborations.
No i'm pretty sure the main accusation is "manipulation and gaslighting of nanoless" painting her as a huge bitch was in service to that not the other way around. also just to clarify she is a huge bitch just thought that was worth saying.
> So her hatred of Silver and the fact that she/red wanted nano to cancel other peoples models looks bad for her.
True, but apart of the accusations is that she got nannoless to cancel models through "manipulation and gaslighting" if they just stuck to the fact that she is a huge bitch and asked for the cancellations, not that she manipulated nano into canceling, then that would have frankly been enough as theres no way to argue against that, but they couldn't help themselves and now people are talking about it two months fucking latter.

>>101579062
>That's the thing though sinder didn't manipulate or gaslight nanoless and thats the main thing she's accused of so she's only like half guilty of most of the accusations.

Anon she admitted to doing it. The discord messages are damning as hell.

>>101580158
>Anon she admitted to doing it.
No she didn't that's why people were mad at her apology, she basically said i'm sorry you feel that way. or was there some other comment or message your talking about?

>>101580081
But the ting is that in her apology she talks about Red's actions "manipulating" Nano and that she pressured Nano.

From her apology:
>I was not fully aware of the extent of Red’s manipulation over Nano’s commission decisions
>There was only one specific creator we were responsible for naming and pressuring Nano into reconsidering projects with

And I don't buy that she had no idea what Red was doing.

>>101575864 (OP)
I don't even know why she's still hiding since pyrocucks never cared about what she did and the drama is dead by now. take a quick look at her discord and they're all ready to empty their wallets for her.

>>101580304
>said i'm sorry you feel that way.
Anon, that's the kind of wording she used in the entire "apology"
The whole thing was narcissistic DARVO nonsense.
"I'm sorry you feel that way"
"I'm sorry you got the impression"
"I'm sorry that happened to you"

She took responsibility for nothing, which made her word even more untrustworthy and painted her as even more of an evil manipulator to anyone with a grasp on the english language.

>>101575982
I want them both to step on me, spit on me, then tell me how much they hate me and that I am pathetic nobody compared to them.

>>101580334
thats fair enough, but remember they kept saying "manipulation" in the accusations and most of the messages are from red so it's not unreasonable to think that she is either 1 if you uncharitable then, throwing red under the bus, or 2 if your charitable then ,she believes the accusations and as those are mostly against red she believed he was manipulating nano despite the face that the evidence doesn't really support that. also pressuring is not the same as manipulating and gaslighting.

>>101580492
she took no responsibility because she wasn't responsible for it?
if Red releases an apology, maybe that will have the wording you want

>>101575982
>Tittyfuck by meanie oneesan
H-hot...

>>101576465
>But my evil wif-
No

>>101580614
>Not responsible for it
>Knows about Red and Nano's conversations, and actively participates in some of them
I can understand people not liking the twitch vtubers related to this situation, for whatever reasons, but I genuinely don't understand what's to be gained from bending over backwards to defend Sinder.

>>101580584
Putting someone under pressure so that they do what you want is textbook manipulation.

And like I said I believe that she was aware of what Red was doing and thought nothing of it.

Do we know whether they are still together?

>>101580517
>>101580632
I want Sinder to 69 me, crushing my head and suffocating me with her meaty thighs. Whilst Elira mercilessly squeeze my balls with one hand, whilst punches balls with the other untill I they are raw and I cry like a fucking baby.

>>101580691
the blind defense of nanoless is what bugs me
she's presumably an adult of some kind and capable of making her own decisions. crediting all her bad behaviors to Red and Sinder "manipulating" her is bs to me. If anything, all 3 are of the same mindset based on their conversations and its only after it bit nano in the ass did she have a change of heart and throw her 2 accomplices under the bus to save herself.

>>101580614
>if Red releases an apology, maybe that will have the wording you want
Anon? She fully endorsed and doubled down on Red's statements to Nano that she needed her to cut all ties with her other clients and actively cancel their commissions.

>>101579321
>>101579589
>I-it changes things
It does not. It could, theoretically, but this is not a theoretical discussion you spastic retard. Feel free to provide actual valid examples, but we both know you have none, which is why you're sperging instead.

If Sinder was smart, she should have been coming back the last week or 2. With Gura coming back, Twisty fired, all the concerts, Offkai and AX etc there is so much going on in the scene that it would have minimized it.

ganba
flare

>>101580800
I hate the narrative of nanoless being "manipulated", she's a grown adult, she could've said no at any point. She knew that what she was doing was shady and sketchy and I'm really shocked that nobody seemed to care that their sweetheart artist was happy to drop them.

>>101581037
>Only children are susceptible to manipulation!
You my friend, might be the biggest retard on the board.

>>101580081
There is no evidence that they ever asked Nano to cancel on anyone. The "proof" in the docs is two entirely separate conversations that were stitched together backward to make it look like they were connected.

>>101581054
you are retarded for treating adults like children

>>101581107
she literally said that she pressured Nano into not working for Silver in her apology...

>>101580824
>nuh uhh
You have left reality. It is not a theroretical to state that changing the chronological order of messages impacts the context and meaning of each message.

Proof? Put them in order yourself, then compare and contrast. Some of the claims hold less credence when shown in right order.

>>101575982
Who would give the best CBT and why?

Reading her apology again:
>What Red was trying to explain to Nano is that if everyone has a model by her [...]
>So at the point I was working with Nano consistently we brought up not making any more models for her.

So It goes from "Red" to "we"

Also the whole thing reads like she is admitting to something really bad.
>There’s nothing I can say to make this better
>I’m sorry to my Pyro Pups and my mods for expecting me to lead by a better example than this. I’m sorry to the vtuber community for looking towards me as someone to aspire to.
>I’ve led a bad example, and I don’t expect forgiveness.
>I’m devastated that the friendships so special to me may, understandably, never be mended again.

>>101580800
>>101581037
NTA but it's a lose lose situation for Nanoless. If Nanoless came forward, she would risk losing massive favor with any high profile clients even if those clients never said a word against her. Unless she gets work from Bao or Slivervale again people who don't know her personally aren't going to risk it. What if Nanoless thinks you wronged her by not paying her on time? Will another google docky come out? Plus obsessive Sinder fans will always be hunting for cracks in her character.


And if Nanoless says nothing then all her eggs are in Sinder's basket and she's not even being paid properly for the exclusivity. If enough time passes of Nanoless having to push people away and Sinder turns on her Nanoless is cooked. It's her word vs Sinder's and Sinder has the connections and even some dramatubers on her side. If Sinder talks the way she does about the Girliepops, who she is suppose to be close with, then it's only a matter of time with Nanoless.

>>101581190
>best
That is hard to choose.
Sinder has more raw power (in psi) with higher base stats. But would check up on you throught the session.
Elira would think excruciating scenarios to put you in and actually do it without a second thought. No safeword.

>>101577262
lil bro, you are on Twitter

Don't watch her, never even heard of her before this drama and I already like her. Any bitch causing an uproar among those annoying ass twitch streamers is a win win for me. What's that one bitch called, Shylilly? Her name and model reminds how bad the vtuber business has become.

>>101581145
Asking Nano to not work with someone in the future is not the same as asking her to cancel ongoing work with that person.

>>101581115
>Gets called out on a stupid concept
>Doubles down
Typical retard.

>>101581879
but they messaged her on discord! nanoless had no choice but to stab her clients in the back!

>>101581974
Are we pretending Nano was their friend and therefor potentially guilty of backstabbing? Are we pretending traitors aren't significantly worse than misguided oafs?

>>101581974
Hahaha I know you just messing. But yeah, Nano isn't a victim here. Seems they were part of the click and now before things erupted they threw Sinder to the Wolves, bitter bitch or not.

>>101575982
One grips my balls, the other yanks my shaft.
Then after a short period of time, I want them to just twist. Opposite directions. Full body effort.

I want them rip them off to have a Souvenir to remember our time together.

>>101582058
>S-sinder was thrown to the wolves!
Lol, she won't fuck you buddy.

>>101581879
When you work for person A multiple times and then person B asks you to stop working for A in the future then A is asking you to cancel your work with with B.

>>101581974
Sinder admitted she pushed Nano and considers Red's actions manipulative.

>>101582025
who is the oaf in this situation?

>>101582082
Buddy, I'm already fucking someone else lol. And no, it's not your mother.

>>101582257
(You)

>>101582283
Anon... you do realize what you just did, right? The accusation against you was, in simple terms; You're doing something desperate and fucking stupid for a pussy you'll never get. Saying you're not interested in the pussy doesn't change the fact that you're doing something desperate and fucking stupid, and you're doubly fucking stupid for requiring this explanation.

>>101581107
Anon, there are logs of her asking nano to cancel. Not Red, Sinder.

>>101582135
she could have finished the current job for B and then only worked for A going forward, but chose to instead just shit on Shylily or Bao or whoever it was by canceling it

>>101582380
Sweet Jesus. You are the stupid one here. I'd call you a stupid mother fucker but that would mean you actually fucked someone which we both know ain't gonna happen unless you pay.

>>101582450
>N-no you're the stupid one
Not doing yourself any favors there buddy.

I just want her to do RP Asmr again, dont give shit about anything else.

>>101582477
I'm not your buddy, friend

>>101582417
I guess but the point was that Sinder did actually ask Nano to cancel work.

>>101582477
Acting calm doesn't suit you after your first 2 replies lol. Good luck buddy on your adventures. If you're a fag you'll do okay, they give and take it anyway they can get it.

>>101575982
Duel footjob would be acceptable.
Both will be wearing one punk/goth boot on one foot and one bare foot. They will swap legs at the same time, so I will always get 1 boot + bare foot experience.

>>101582381
I don't remember seeing any. Where are they?

>>101582502
He was talking to me. Who the fuck are you anon?

>>101582582
>I got BTFO so I'll just run down the list of 4chan cliche's older than I am!
And that too is such a stale tactic.

>>101582534
I guess Sinder made her an offer she couldn't refuse

>>101576030
>>101575885
How can you continue to be a fan of someone who was proven to be a real cunt and bitch?

Wild to me.

>>101575982
the fact that the fujo on the left has been retconned into being this evil stacy bully will never not be comical. anyone who tries to seriously substantiate it can't do so without bringing up literal fanfiction or schizo shit. in reality all she's concerned about is watching dudes fuck and chiikawa

>>101575982
Dear lord. I am on my knees.
This is how I want to die. I'll take my last breath, and dive in head first.
I accept my fate.

>>101582709
Not helping yourself buddy. But if it helps you sleep better tonight, nice. Laters

>>101582728
she has big tits
also if you don't like the people she is a bitch to, you support it.

>>101582729
>all she's concerned about is watching dudes fuck and chiikawa
With a side hustle of bullying suicidal former co-workers for clout/money, but that's such a minor detail!

>>101582798
there's the fanfiction. i'm starting to think you people literally only do this for gooning reasons

>>101582775
Couldn't even think of your own replies anymore?

>>101580517
Please love yourself

>>101582822
>That's the fanfiction
Anon. The black stream is still up, what do you mean 'fanfiction'? It's there for all to see you dumb fuck.

>>101582822
she admitted it...

>>101582896
the stream where they literally told people to stop making rrats about them being bullies
>>101582924
if you can provide me a timestamp with a transcript of her admitting to bullying doki i'll give you $5

>>101583033
>the stream where they literally told people to stop making rrats about them being bullies
Ah, so there's the actual fanfiction. No anon, the stream where they overlapped the debut of a suicidal former coworker to slander her with all sorts of fabricated nonsense, that black stream, the black stream anyone can still see for themselves right now.

>>101582794
you would be surprised what a good bra can do

>>101575885
kill yourself seadog

>>101583165
>so there's the actual fanfiction
what? you know you can go back and watch it if you forgot the contents of the stream already

>>101583300
Genuinely wondering what you hope to achieve with these lies when nobody believes you, but carry on I guess? I'm sure NijiEN will recover through your valiant efforts.

>>101583429
the fact that you can't even parse simple information from a 15 minute stream and are claiming said information was fabricated proves to me you are actually medically schizophrenic, hope that works out for you

>>101576609
https://youtu.be/7Q7_EsJ9yEk?si=ogDPT-ddKRsW0Wny
Lily is a sexy type of evil woman.
Sinder is a pathetic type of evil woman.
Simple as.

>>101583563
Again, what are you hoping to achieve with these lies? You are claiming the sky is full of pink elephants, nobody is buying your nonsense anon.

>>101583620
I'm not watching that.

What's your point?

>>101582502
He's not your friend, guy

>>101583674
are you even medicated?

>>101583563
Holy shit, you're delusional!

>>101583754
The fact that your mind jumps to that with no context suggests familiarity. What meds are you supposed to be on lad? You'd better go take some.

>>101583846
>>101583910
why are you trying to gaslight me on this, the entire point of the stream was for them to shut down harassment rrats, even schizos got that and just said they're lying

>>101583993
>Spend the entire stream talking about Doki
>"it was to shut down harassment rrats, that's why they did an harrassment stream overlapping with Doki's stream!"
Really?

>>101576609
10 fucking hours

>>101584184
>spend entire stream talking about the girl people are claiming you harassed to explain why that isn't true
wow?

>>101584250
>to explain why that isn't true
>We do this by making nonsense accusations during the exact time where she is streaming again for the first time!
? Are you actually okay anon? You seem to be either severely delusional or completely retarded.

>>101584228
Like I said to the other anon.
This guy has a high level autist, and has a special interest in vtubers

>>101584378
>nonsense accusations
more like
>we provide actual receipts and anecdotes that explain why selen was fired and that it wasn't that we just bullied her into having a mental breakdown
and you keep using streaming times as if it's hard proof of malice and it makes it feel like it's not even worth engaging with you

>>101575982
>>101582751
I would give everthing I own for, Just, One, Night.

>>101584496
>N-no intentionally overlapping her isn't proof of malice! The voices in my head said so! In fact proof of malice is impossible because you can't prove malice because uhh.... it won't count!
OK.
>we provide actual receipts!
Oh, is that what they were doing? Did they somehow manage to show proof through the blackness of that stream? What do you think providing receipts means you dumb fuck? They only thing they proved is that they knew private information anyone can tell they weren't supposed to know (by law, that is) and they knew they weren't supposed to know, yet disclosed incredibly private information anyway: This is called doxxing, and is considered illegal and harassment in most civilized countries.

So no proof, just claims and accusations, many of which provably false, and direct evidence of clear misconduct around personal, private information. But sure, they were just... what did you say again "the entire point of the stream was for them to shut down harassment rrat"?

>>101584496
I assume the receipts are in black text on a black background.

>>101584693
>no proof
>ignores literal screenshots proving her defying management by uploading the cover after they told her to wait
>also all the times she tweeted things that were misleading about the company and written in a way to draw commotion that they decided to stop giving her a slap on the wrist for
on top of the things they alleged regarding the document, like her recording them in secret to get dirt on them
you can just brush all of this off or claim it's all bullshit still, doesn't change the fact they provided more to point to the idea she was fired for a reason than there's ever been provided of them bullying her beyond the flimsy "muh overlap"

>>101581679
Nanoless cornered herself here. She had no reason to go along with Red's suggestions the way she did. It is what essentially makes her unprofessional.

She’ll be back, they always come back.

>>101576945
They were a space marine with the blood of the emperor?

>>101578654
> and she's also a whore that cheated on her cuck BF on top. Now that's a career killer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThLE1q3glJg

>>101585000
>Talking about black stream
>Suddenly pivots to "screenshots"
>Screenshots that show her manager being late, ghosting her, not providing clear instructions and only acting quickly when it was time to shut her down, all showing very malicious behavior by management
Ah, so you admit that the black stream was harassment then, since you seem to be pivoting to an entirely different conversation?

>>101585281
>>Screenshots that show her manager being late, ghosting her, not providing clear instructions and only acting quickly when it was time to shut her down, all showing very malicious behavior by management
holy schizo goal post move! ok you are definitely not worth spending my brain cells on, i'm sure she definitely really loves being babied like this

>>101585395
>Holy schitzo goalpost move
>>101585000
Yea. You did do that. And now you're running away when called out! Go coward go!

>>101585480
you have to actually be 50 IQ to not see the direct correlation between them providing evidence as to the reason she was fired and them explaining that they never bullied her, and to deflect and call it a goal post move
it must feel good as hell to be this stupid

>>101585590
>I-it's related!
But the stuff you posted about only proved AnyColors wrongdoing, as I pointed out. So even if this was true (and it isn't) you'd still be wrong. What are you even doing anymore anon? You've completely lost the plot.

>>101585713
you actually can't see why they would provide clarification behind her firing, in an effort to get people to understand it wasn't all just a joint decision to unfairly kick her out and trigger her into a mental breakdown? to show that she was never exactly stable?

>>101575982
I will forgive them if they let me knock them out and rape their unconscious bodies.

>>101585901
>Y-you can't see why!
No, I can. It's just that they did such an abysmal job of it that it ended up exposing their horrible work environment and behind the scenes bullshittery. Airing dirty laundry is also very bad professional practice, which reflects very poorly on AnyColor. "you actually can't see" why that is a very stupid and evil thing to do?
> to show that she was never exactly stable?
Ah, so you admit they were harassing a suicidal person, but it's okay because it was "to show she was never exactly stable"?
So not only are you retarded, you are also incredibly evil. Good to know I suppose?

>>101586053
>i totally get it
so why did you call it a goal post move and act like there's no correlation.
>exposing their horrible work environment and behind the scenes bullshittery
you were shown proof of a manager respectfully notifying her that her cover is still being reviewed and warning her not to upload it, her defying said instructions, and then the manager approaching her about that, and decided to completely misrepresent that with a bunch of bullshit you made up.
>hah! so you ADMIT they harassed her
no. i don't think they did anything that falls under harassment, which is the entire point. there is literally 0 proof that you can point to of this, beyond muh overlap and dumbass elira management fanfiction.

>>101583993
Rrats that they themselves started, as well as tried to deflect onto her, perfectly timed at the very first scheduled stream she did?

>>101586370
>so why did you call it a goal post move and act like there's no correlation.
That's not what happened though schitzo-kun. We went from talking about the black stream and what it was about, and you decided to talk about the entire process of Selen's termination instead, which is related but not relevant.
>you were shown proof of a manager respectfully notifying her that her cover is still being reviewed and warning her not to upload it
Neither things are true. Why are you lying about this?
>no. i don't think they did anything that falls under harassment
Anon, you can say that until your head explodes, but what you think is utterly irrelevant. What they did LEGALLY constitutes harassment. You simply lose.

>>101586552
>Rrats that they themselves started
explain how, without using the part in the noticr management wrote where they said she was claiming they harassed her. don't get me wrong i think the entire way everyone handled it was awful and only made their case worse, i just think all the rrats that started from it about them being bullies are low IQ

>>101575885
Please forgive me Anon.
I will make it up too you.

>>101586370
>no. i don't think they did anything that falls under harassment
Vox, is that you?

>>101586564
>which is related but not relevant
i've already explain how it's relevant. they decided to give clarification as to what lead up to her being fired, to show that it was for a valid reason and to shed light on her questionable/unstable behavior in an effort to show that she didn't just get pushed into suicide by a pack of bullies.
>Neither things are true.
go ahead, give me tangible proof that the manager deliberately ghosted her, wasn't clear in their instructions (they seemed perfectly legible and clear to me in the messages), and were acting malicious.

>>101586674
>aside from the part where they admitted to ignoring her claims of harassment, explain how they said that there were claims of harassment.

>>101587045
what?

>>101587002
>I've explained how...
No, you made a claim that was refuted, and then you backed down. You lost that round and forgot about it and now claim you were successful? Lmao. Work on your memory, retard.
>go ahead, give me tangible proof that the manager deliberately ghosted her
They reached the deadline without the manager saying anything about whether or not to continue with the release. Simple as.
>and were acting malicious.
They were late (by their own admission) and didn't provide clear instructions, didn't clarify or act until the last minute, but when the MV was posted they were rather quick to take it down. What more proof do you need than their own actions, retard-kun?

>>101587002
>to show that it was for a valid reason and to shed light on her questionable/unstable behavior
True. It was questionable of her to expect Nijisanji to do their jobs and manage their talent.
>>101587002
>go ahead, give me tangible proof that the manager deliberately ghosted her, wasn't clear in their instructions (they seemed perfectly legible and clear to me in the messages), and were acting malicious.
The instructions were clear. They were also retarded and very, very late. Removing the video was a ridiculous decision and clearly malicious when the proper thing to do would be to leave it up and punish her afterwards if they wanted to, as the only copyright in question was one that they themselves owned.
Privating the video makes it effectively worthless and throws away the massive investment that Selen herself provided to advertise and celebrate the branch.
Even if they were to reinstate it, the potential for traction is gone. Just look at Rosemi's 3D showcase.

The funniest shit is that because they chopped up the messages in that way, there's no evidence the management ever actually responded to them for days on a time sensitive project they've had over a year of warning about. Hence ghosting.

>>101587277
>No, you made a claim that was refuted, and then you backed down. You lost that round and forgot about it and now claim you were successful?
bro what are you talking about
>They reached the deadline without the manager saying anything about whether or not to continue with the release.
what deadline? does someone taking a day on christmas to give an okay constitute as ghosting to you? you know things like final checks are established after the project is finished right? what about the lack of clear instructions?

>>101587517
>bro what are you talking about
You know this site allows you to scroll up and read previous posts, right? Try it! You have no excuse to lose track of the conversation this badly, retard.
>Anon thinks MVs like this are just dropped randomly instead of a planned release date
>Anon doesn't know what deadlines are or how they work
Retard.

>>101587346
>Removing the video was a ridiculous decision and clearly malicious when the proper thing to do would be to leave it up and punish her afterwards if they wanted to, as the only copyright in question was one that they themselves owned.
you severely underestimate japanese corpo autism and how strictly they take liability protocols, them privatimg something that wasn't reviewed doesn't inherently imply malice and if things went right it likely would've been unprivated
>and throws away the massive investment that Selen herself provided
projects get shut down for various reasons all the time in these companies, it's unfair but it's what comes when you join a corpo with strict rules and restrictions that often change, not to mention copyright laws

>>101587517
>what deadline?
The fact that it was slated to be a christmas release since at least 2022 and could not be moved off of it.
The one they should've been keeping tabs on every step of the way to make sure it released smoothly
The one they allegedly didn't know the contents of despite storyboarding needing to be approved from the very beginning

>>101587716
>>Anon thinks MVs like this are just dropped randomly instead of a planned release date
it's okay buddy sometimes i forget how to read too, here i'll point you to this sentence again
>you know things like final checks are established after the project is finished right?
the one artist literally said she added the graduated members' art in last second

Damn with all these people coming up with receipts of how Sinder is actually not that bad and it's everyone else who sucks you'd think Sinder would have returned.

Surely all these arguments and 10 hour fucking essays on a google doc aren't just pointless wastes of time right. They actually have to have some kind of merit right. This isn't just a who's the biggest retard competition right

>>101575864 (OP)
Can you imagine how bad are Bao and Shilily sweating right now because Gura is coming into the indie sphere? They need to get her into the group fast otherwise they won't be able to bring her down fast enough at a later date. I don't care for Sinder either way but that was 100% a coordinated attack and i thought that the next thing they will try to take down is each other but it seems like Gura is on the rise now.

>>101587826
Eh. Sinder's defenders are bullshit but it's not like that's evidence of anything.
Froot was retarded in that she gave all her evidence in a 90 page document that clearly absolved her from pretty much everything, but because doxxsagi and rima made a 20min hit piece that was easier to digest with their only source being a known stalker who's currently on the run from violating his restraining order on his ex, she still got flak for it.

>>101580158
What is it with women and insisting that someone asking you to do something is basically mind control?

>>101588251
More like what's with women and it working?

>>101580691
She’s hot

>>101582481
Would it be bdsm with her being corrected?

>>101582594
That sounds like it’s guaranteed to end in bloody injury

>>101583708
They are both spiteful cunts but at least Shylily is fun to watch.
This is the biggest mask off I have witnessed. She's borderline cartoonishly evil.

>>101582728
Literally Rushia I can fix her mentality for male
Or femcel writing love letters to serial killers

>>101575982
Elira didn't even do anything wrong except help cover for her company fucking up. Hate that this place is full of gossiping schoolgirls that run with false narratives

>>101575864 (OP)
She's probably happier than ever, running with the money and not having to deal with high school drama when she's probably pushing 30

You think she’s still dating that one dude?

Nijispy here with an OffKai story regarding Sinder I found in a Discord server:
A fan was sharing his collection of signatures from VTubers he got a while ago, including Bao, Camila, and many more.
Someone pointed out that Fream's signature was on top of another signature scribbled out with a black marker.
That fan confirmed that the signature scribbled out was Sinder's initially, which Fream had taken notice of and asked the fan if she could write it over hers.
Fream then takes out a black marker and covers Sinder's signature, and then uses a white marker to write her signature in all caps.
This all occurred around Day 2 of OffKai.
That is my report for today.

>>101575864 (OP)
she's going to make vshojo great again MVGA

>>101576046
The bitch that actively calls her audience simps is secretly also a horrible human being? Who would have thought. It's almost like everything about her is predicated on lies, even her model looks nothing like her irl. Sinder may be a bitch, but anyone who thinks Shylily is any better is dumb as shit and knows nothing about Shylily

The whole situation made me hate ShyLily more than anyone else DESU desu ne.

>>101589733
I'm sure Sinder is seething about that

>>101589253
>Elira didn't even do anything wrong except help cover for her company fucking up.
she didn't have to host, endorse, and participate in the video, anon.

the more you listen to her porn ASMR, the worse it gets

>>101589733
>Every story I've heard about Fream and the people she surrounds herself have made her seem like a bitch
At this point everyone in the "upper ranks" of vtubing just looks like a villain

>>101575885
How many times have you posted this exact quote and reply?

>>101575864 (OP)
More probably like her "manager" took her out.

>>101594239
In what way? I've listened to it before and it's fairly vanilla. Performance-wise she's not the greatest, but not the worst, if you told me she actually masturbated while recording, I'd believe it

old news but

>>101587950
>They need to get her into the group fast otherwise they won't be able to bring her down fast enough at a later date.
They won't be able to. She's going to be riding high and tight with Dooby. Doki and Mint might also end up getting close in that regard, and if Doki is involved in any sort of way of being in connection with gura, then any plans for trying to coordinate anything will be cooked. They saw how she dragged out receipts for the PC artist and that one 2view scumtuber that tried a coordinated hit piece on her.

>>101594590
she acts more condensending and less pretending, less pandering

>>101583620
>Lily is a sexy type of evil woman
Of course she is.
>tells a story on stream about how allegedly she ruined a fwb arrangement

>>101582728
it was her boyfriend being a hecking creep!
women cant be evil

I assume she still waits till everyone forgets about the drama or took time off to deal with stuff.
I think she was also moving/building a house?
She still has fans and can easily come back.
She am an also take the easy route and become an lewd tuber OF whore.

>>101575982
>>101582751
I should make more slop of those two

>>101575864 (OP)

?

She's back.

>>101575864 (OP)

?

>>101595186
Pls. I beg.

>>101595186
Do one with both of them stomping viewer on the ground (Pov)

>>101576046
>Sindersimps doxx Shylili and (attempt to) doxx cottontails mom who is in hospital (for kidney stones or something minor but still) yeah okay

>>101595434

>>101587950
>>101594779
You people are severely mentally ill. Please leave my oshi our of your delusional ranting.

>>101595512

>>101596073
this would be more hot if Elira wasn't a fucking landwhale IRL unlike Sinder

>>101595804
>>101596073
You are doing the lords work. Thank you.

May I request one more?
I would like to see them with smug/evil faces, wearing suits / business attire.

>>101596239

I love evil women!

>>101596893
(つ﹏)つ Thank you.
I needed this.

>>101596893
Bro, they look pretty decent. What ai are you using?

>>101597056
locally run reForge
Any Illustrious model should do
Elira doesn't need any loras, just the prompt, for Sinder you need to add a lora into the prompt

>>101575864 (OP)
I don't care about Sinder and I care even less about Shilylilyli, and no, she didn't do sudoku because she's too narcissistic for that

>>101595991
Actually they are right

>>101575864 (OP)
She is still alive and she gave a recent announcement that got reposted on X.
I visited her Discord server out of curiosity and this is true.

>>101596893
>>101596073
>>101595804
And one more just because. Sex with evil women.

>>101598213
Not all heroes wear capes.
I kneel!

https://x.com/PyroPupCenter

This account is hilarious

>>101582729
you can tell people have never watched a single one of her streams that think she is some evil villain. She is the softest little creampuff of all time, like you said all she wants to do is play RPGs for 12 hours and watch yaoi. She has never had a bad word to say about anyone, ever. source: me, who has watched literally all her streams

>>101598213
holy SEX

>>101594779
bitch can't dodge bullets forever. Her /rope shield is going to wear out eventually, people only give you the benefit of the doubt and pity you so many times

>>101597380
on Doki and Mint probably getting roped in? Yeah
She's already taken steps so nothing like the whole nonsense with the pc builder though would happen again.
I wouldn't be surprised, but at the same time I doubt they'll show up together any time soon, and even then they'll likely be filler slots if the trio of ex-holos need a fourth/fifth for a while.

Alternatively, she could get brought in through Laimu. Or they could never meet and just have mutual friends for years. Flip a coin.

>>101575864 (OP)
>Let shit blow over
>Eventually return, possibly under a new name/model
She's doing the smart thing.

>>101600283
I'd be VERY surprised if she gets a new model.
Her vtubing career is likely dead. Nobody can trust her anymore AND the biggest players all hate her, so networking will be very, very difficult.

>>101598213
Request: Those 2 Evil women pushing/pinning the pov into the wall. Whilst they wear oversized tshirs and nothing else.

>>101600352
She'll just stick to simps instead of women.

>>101600283

>>101576046
>>101576465
>>101576609
>ligger whore opportunist is targeted by another ligger whore opportunist to throw under the bus
Shocked
Flabbergasted
Gobsmacked
Imagine oshiing sluts kek

>>101600430
I get the idea but don't quite know how to prompt it properly and don't have enough time to research as of now. Have this instead for now.

>>101600789
Ty Anon. I wish you luck in your future endeavours

Whats her patreon and/or kemono name? Im juwt getting into ASMR and never checked this bitch out

>>101601761
35393943

>>101600099
You sound so personally invested. But after the save a fox woman took her life of recent, and the reaction to it, that "rope shield" is going to keep hanging on for a while longer. Much to your chagrin I'm sure.

>>101602783
>ut after the save a fox woman took her life of recent
wait what the fuck? That channel with all the cute foxes on that farm thing?

>>101603045
Yeah. combo of a subreddit, "close friends", and allegedly some other orgs, whether charity or of the shelter variety, either harassed or turned their back on her. As a result, she became an hero. With something like that so recent, the concept or thought of suicide might have a stronger reaction with some vtubers and fans.

>>101603343
Well after the Selen shit last year, I can see why.
Fuck, man. All these suicides/attempts feel like it's one after another after another.

>>101601761
you won't like them after a few repeats, it goes from "being involved" into "Rachel Zegler weird" territory

>>101595313
Nah this can't be a coincidence that somebody creates this thread and then she returns right after.
Sinder or red posted this.

>>101600006
>I watched all of her streams!
>Except the black stream where she literally tried to throw a suicidal person under the bus!
What a darling tho.

>>101595186
Please AI god

>>101605232
Grace us with more evil girl imagery my Lord.
A variety of appealing poses, clothing, and situations would be greatly appreciated.

>>101577360
>KR artist
Taesi would be a nice choice.

>>101598213
>>101600789
I must return to slumber my Lord.
If this thread perishes, I will forge another appon awakening.
You shan't miss it.

>>101575864 (OP)
I hope not. What she did was terrible but wasn't worth nickle and quartering herself.

>>101589253
There's more than enough evidence of her pulling the strings behind the scenes, she's pretty much a head manager.

>>101600352
Rushia has literally got into fights with everyone she's ever worked with post-hololive, yet she's still able to find artists and riggers to this day.

>>101608654
NTA, such as?

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2481695894?t=0h25m1s

Pyropups? that's a bygone era....OR IS IT?

>>101604752
no, it's called defending yourself from a schizo bipolar grifter. Nothing wrong with that.

>>101602783
>boo hoo, I'm a young cute girl, but the cyberbullies are gonna get me. Guess I'll die!

Yeah, I have zero sympathy for bitches like that

>>101610094
>Defending yourself
>Against someone who never attacked you
>This is "defense"
>Break several laws and attack a suicidal person while you are not being attacked by them at all
>This is defense
Ah, so you're retarded. Okay.

>>101610121
Why are you proudly announcing your defects, anon? Are you good?

>>101605514
have some more. not much free time to slop and post, sadly

>>101575864 (OP)
She misplayed the PR game by pushing out a fast and half-baked apology instead of putting together a complete and targeted response. Idk when content creators will learn this but basically NEVER apologize.
She still has at least 1K simps ready for her to come back so she can probably make a return.

>>101585040
Not a single person in this entire exchange is a redeemable person. Every single one of them is a liar and an opportunistic snake willing to set fire to someone else if it saves them an extra muffin on the table, i hate every fucking one of these dumb cunts and wish nothing but the worst on them. Fuck them all, worthless wastes of oxygen.

Damn, pyrocucks are extremely mentally ill.
No wonder she made so much money off of these subhumans.

>>101613133
>Every single one of them is a liar and an opportunistic snake willing to set fire to someone else if it saves them an extra muffin on the table
This is every single vtuber btw

At worst, she comes back with 400 viewers and will be on an island by herself because nobody worth a shit will collab with her because they won't upset the twitch mafia of Shylily, Bao and Silver.
Also she has to have thick skin because she might get harassed in every tweet by schizos like how Elira was.

>>101613266
>At worst, she comes back with 400 viewers and will be on an island by herself because nobody worth a shit will collab with her because they won't upset the twitch mafia of Shylily, Bao and Silver.
If sinder was truly some sort of cunning bitch she’d have made a response that fights back, spills dirt, and tries to split the gang and unilaterally “community” support for them. Her panicked, bowing apology funnily enough indicates she doesn’t have those kind of instincts.

>>101613133
>pot, kettle

>>101613349
>/vt/-sama pretends to be an expert on human behavior
Anon... come on lad, what the fuck are you doing?

>>101604752
>>101610094
I mean we kind of need more information and that won't come unless court happens. Selen was more focused on management at the time and was trying to get proof of gender favoritism. Selen didn't choose to leave Niji EN and we know from the lawyer looking through the contracts that you get little say in any matter. If you got chosen to do black screen there is little you can do--unless maybe someone steps forwards and stands in for you

>>101614577
>Anon is both illiterate and severely retarded
So first off, Selen did choose to leave Niji. The whole debacle of the black stream was because her lawyer sent Niji a letter outlining their position to back up their initial request for Selen to be let out of her contract.

Second, we have no idea what Selen was 'focused' on, she merely wanted out of her contract and Niji had ghosted her before then terminating her. Her communication with Niji after her MV debacle was exclusively about this. We do know she has a recording of Vox that apparently establishes management favoritism, but the circumstances under which that recording was made/kept are entirely unknown.

Third, the "lawyer" looked through a document that was, at best, a rough draft of a contract and this same lawyer did an absolutely abysmal job of representing its contents, instead just feeding the lowest type of drama while ignoring the actual sophisticated bullshittery Niji was doing. Now we get retards like you who think that the contents of that contract had any chance of being legally binding (it's not)

Lastly, "they were just following orders" is a shit excuse that only absolute retards would try to peddle, stop being such a fucking retard.

>>101612692
You have done more than enough Ai lord.
I wish all the best for you and your oshi.

>>101615311
>”this same lawyer did an absolutely abysmal job of representing its contents”
NTA, can you elaborate?

>>101618348
Just that his commentary was ill informed and just populist nonsense rather than any degree of legal analysis. Doing nothing to dispel the many legal myths that surround contract law and in fact encouraging bad takes and falsehoods. Thing is, it wasn't much of a contract, its value as a contract or a legal document in general was zero, non-existent. It's contents a complete farce. The takeaway there should have been that nonsensical contracts like these aren't legally binding and if genuine this proves Niji is trying to take advantage of people's unawareness of their legal rights and is highly incompetent to boot. Nothing of the sort was raised, it was all bottom of the barrel color commentary.

This is the same guy that made a video about the Selen situation where he is constantly needing to be told basic facts of the situation by his chat and making several wildly incorrect statements about law.

>>101619657
Yeah, I appreciate the guy for helping spread awareness, as well as giving a very general overview on how the contract was unenforcable, but it was pretty obvious how he was more focused on telling inflammatory stories than going through it properly.
Runkel did a bit better, though, but since it wasn't as inflammatory (though still a bit) it got tossed aside, even to the point where sisters tried to cite it as a "win"

>>101619657
>Thing is, it wasn't much of a contract, its value as a contract or a legal document in general was zero, non-existent. It's contents a complete farce. The takeaway there should have been that nonsensical contracts like these aren't legally binding and if genuine this proves Niji is trying to take advantage of people's unawareness of their legal rights and is highly incompetent to boot.
Isn’t that what everyone took away from his video anyways? I’m not sure what other “populist” conclusion is there

>>101620024
Just that it was bad legal takes. You still get people parroting nonsense like "Niji's contract says they have to do x when they y" when that is an entirely invalid clause in the contract so it does not, in fact, force them to do any such thing.

>>101620306
I’m curious, what are his bad legal takes

>>101585040
Now that the dust has settled, I would love to once again share my favorite Nanoless quote from this wholeass shitstorm.

A self-admitted retard/mentally ill woman.

>>101575885
If she values peers(non-customers) more than fans(customers) then it would be hard for her to come back

>>101624956
>If she values peers(non-customers) more than fans
This is the case. a big part of her popularity was being part of the popular girls clique.

>>101623011
>my mental is a bit weak
>A self-admitted retard/mentally ill woman
pyrocucks are actually retarded

>>101577360
The artist in the middle of sll of this isn't western????

>>101575864 (OP)
STREAM TOMORROW

>>101577236
It was an extremely tight squeezing the living shit out of her chuccy tummy just to make her tits look like that
She probably had to take it off the moment she had a bit of privacy

>>101629984
No. She's some jungle nigger from buttfuck nowhere, Brazil.

>>101630900
SO then she's not really limited to non western artists given that she probably is connected to others in that sphere

>>101609411
That just sounds like Filian being Filian desu
It sounds like the adhd took over for a moment and she did a generic and dramatic 'Or is it?' *vine boom*
I can see Sinder returning eventually, but she really needs to own up. Like actually just open and honest.

I hope she does because I always got the feel that she was a decent person with a dark side. Not a dark person with a cute persona. But that could be cope.
This is the first time this has happened that it's actually stung a bit to see how fame and greed turn sweet people sour

>>101589253
yep, she didn't do anything wrong except for everything she did wrong

>>101605911
Sexo.

>>101575864 (OP)
being honest probably taking a break from the net for a couple of months to begin setting up a new brand since the Cinder brand is radioactive

>>101613123
You especially don't apologize to someone who preemptively blocked you and said that she will never accept an apology from you under any conditions, like Shylily did to Sinder.

nano shouldn't have gotten away with this

>>101577360
I wonder if she can get Pako

She just posted on her discord, saying happy 3rd anniversary. She might actually return to streaming.

>>101638348
Of cause Sinder is in the wrong and a bad influence to anyone around her.

>>101639911
Pako loves vtubers but I don't think he'd touch this one with a 10 foot pole.

Seriously though that guy is EVERYWHERE. I've seen him in holo streams, indie streams, random ass 2view artist streams, Mint's chat, Doki's chat, fucking everywhere. Dude loves vtubers

>>101575982
Just 5 mins. That's all I ask.

>>101632536
that was the first time she's mentioned Sinder by name since the drama happened
maybe they're actually reconciling behind the scenes

I need more sinder AI sloppa

>>101577360
cuboon

>>101613123
The fact that her apology came out that quick and was so half-assed does actually help if she wanted to argue it was made under duress due to the pressure of the backlash and other people's statements (which were piling up very quickly) and wanting to put out her own statement as quickly as possible so I wouldn't necessarily say that statement is as big of a smoking gun as people think it is

>>101644048
Did Filian even attack Sinder when it was going down? I don't remember her saying anything.

>>101645228
But she still admitted to things like hating Silver for literally no reason.
No amount of "duress" will be able to explain that away.

>>101648348
no she only made "it's just business" jokes when it happened

>>101578654
Froot did worse to her husband and nobody cares lol. Women can get away with literally anything anon.

>>101649317
They get away with it if they aren't stupid whores that go against the clique.