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*GENERAL NUMBERFAG SITES*
>https://playboard.co/en/
>http://ikioi-ranking.com/
>https://vrabi.net/
>https://www.vstats.jp
>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/vtuber-ranking
>https://vt.poi.cat/

Hololive sites
>https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/index.html
>https://trackholo.live/en/
>https://holo-spotify-stats.jirikunes.eu/

Twitch sites
>https://sullygnome.com/
>https://twitchtracker.com/
>https://stats.roki.sh/
>https://streamscharts.com/

So all the Phase Connect hate and they are unironically the #2 En corpo now

this one was made first

>>101656232
nah, still vshojo

>>101656066
Zen’s a huge raidbabby. Her CCV average is only like 4.5k

>>101656259
>her

>>101655599
>do we have a clear picture of how much the graduations shrunk the EN holobox? is it even possible to get a clear picture with all the botting?
The only thing that can be measured are the numbers as they are presented
>Has chartanon really been gone since April?
Waiting for the dwarf to finish his thing so I can tag along

Come to think of it, there are literally more active JP members of vshojo than active EN members now

>>101656210
Are those?...

>>101656303
Bones in her hair? Yes

>>101656232
Kiara is going to eat that raccoon girl's ass isn't she?

>>101656335
>raccoon girl
qwho?

>>101656232
phase connect is a cockroach
they will never be a apex predator but are hard to kill

VERY funny to see vshojo become the "training wheels" corpo where talents besides IM have zero real reason to stay.
It's basically what people were saying Holo was supposedly

>>101656357
that phase girl that she talked with

Dooby birthday today and then Saba debut tomorrow? god damn
So nice of holoEN to fuck off and not stream so those two can take the spotlight again, potentially permanently lol

https://x.com/Sera_PROMISU/status/1938644245541540061
holos should start piss posting

>>101656482
watame is literally on piss break right now
>>101656497

>>101656232
>#2

Nijibros how can they do this to our king.........

>>101656497
Sheep, sheep, yo, sheep, yeah, sheep, yo

The JP side of Vshojo is almost more relevant than the EN side now.

>>101656584
This is what happens to sisters when they dont listen to Vox Akuma rape ASMR for 24 hours.

>>101656596
damn that sucks we can't get seperate shirts or at least only dooby nimi

>>101656482
*cums*

>>101656232
Unbiased ranking is Holo>Niji>VShojo>Phase>Prism. No Mythic couse it's gayyyyyy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zqg7_3VwKoM
ううううううううううううううううううんんんんんんんんんんんんんんんんんんんんん

>>101656481
>permanently
You meant for around 3-6 months before Saba goes back to her bi monthly stream schedule

HoloEN
>Total talents over the years: 20
>Holomem graduated: 4 (5 if you count Ame)
>graduation rate: 20% (25% if you count Ame)
NijiEN
>Total of Liver over the years: 45
>Livers graduated: 14 (15 with Aster)
>Graduation rate: ~31% (33.3% with Aster)
Vshojo
>total of Vshojokeks over the year: 21
>vshojokeks graduated: 7 (8 if you count Hime)
>graduation rate: 33.3% (~38% with Hime),

>>101656745
Vivi screams my beloved

>>101656596
>>101656639
This will be the first new set of official merch Nimi will actually get a cut from since her debut.

>>101656698
Likely intentional due to the massive gap in popularity between Dooby/Nimi and Hyuni/Ashton

The age of liggers is upon us

So Vshojo is now on life-support
>Lost Co-Funder
>Main Merch Producer
> Lost Main Artist
>Lost Zen(2nd strongest Member)
>Lost Geega
>Lost Mantra
>Froot & Haruka are both MIA
Vshojo has a big annoucment at Anime expo so maybe it can bounce back but things are grim..

>>101656777
Kill all corpos

>>101656777
Whats Phase like 8%?

>>101656256
I really wonder about that especially with the loss of Zentreya. Ironmouse is no doubt a bigger deal than any individual phase girl, but Phase is so much more visible than vshojo in the industry and most of their girls are 4views now I think.
It just feels like Vshojo has been receding and fading away while Phase assumes their space

>101656850
Keep shitposting and Ironmouse is next

Reminder
All Phase whores are botted 3view shitters

>>101656863
Based

Corpo dickriders and blackrock interns are gonna mass suicide after Saba debut.

vshojo is probably pivoting to a ''real corpo'' focuses on idolshit with a bigger cut than before

>>101656858
Wasn't Haruka a literal menhera? Also Froot is Froot, she probably found her next grift.

>>101656885
2/34 5%

>>101656858
Change in direction has hit vshojo

Moona streamed on Twitch again. I really wonder what Cover is up to.

>101656942
Keep shitposting and Pippa is next

>>101656929
Waiting on pippa to graduate
That should speed this place up a bit

>>101656777
Why the hell wouldn’t you count Ame? And why aren’t you counting Sana?

>>101656375
The difference is, vshojo can't lift you up, they only take big names.
Holo takes a 2 view, turns them into a 4 or 5view, and then yes some of them may (or may not) leave in ~3+ years.
But vshojo's whole model is to take 4views and provide them support they can't get or don't want to do themselves, but if that's no longer viable, vshojo has no moat.

Whats the point of joining Vshoujo
>Woke managers stop you from playing games
>If you dont obey they will send other talents after you and ignore a harassment campaign against you
>Leech money from merch when you can get better deals outside
>Cant even pay in exposure because no brand of their own
>Dont organize events or things that can help talents grow

>>101656967
youtube is fking with hololive related content....

Phase and vshojo graduation queues when?

>>101656949
No they aren't. They're on twitch, their audience has pretty much 0 interest in idol shit. The stuff they do now is because some girls like Ironmouse are personally interested in that stuff but it's not a moneymaker for them at all.

>>101656949
won't work, they and almost every vtuber on twitch have cultivated an anti-idol sjw fanbase

>>101656894
Phase has maybe at most 3 that are solid low 4view ( 2k and below ) without pippa. The rest are 3view that sometimes hit 4view depending on content. Vshojo going away doesnt level phase up.

>>101656967
ERB at least makes sense since shes doing shit she can't do on YT because that stuff isn't there. The Moona stuff is weird though

>>101656858
>Vshojo has a big announcement at Anime expo
Is it related to mainline Vshojo or is it their Nova JP experiment? Because nobody in America gives a fuck about VShojo JP so I dunno why they're bothering to do a big push for them, seems misguided and poorly timed for the moment.

>>101657002
He is counting Sana dumbass

>>101657078
>seems misguided and poorly timed
Sounds like VShojo in a nutshell.

I fucking knew Vshojo's business and recruitment model would eventually bite them in the ass.

>>101656858
Vshojo needs new members, ideally before all this dropped but oh well. Otherwise things are looking pretty sparse

>>101657013
Vshojo lifted up Michi and Henya.

numbers would be better if you guys had more soundposts

>>101657078
Nobody in Japan gives a fuck about Vshojo JP either.

>>101657075
>shes doing shit she can't do on YT because that stuff isn't there
what exactly is she doing? rp-heavy vrchat stuff? I saw her model and I liked the still images.

>>101656375
Vshojo is basically a background support group for big indies who feel too lazy to do shit on their own.

>>101656949
If anything is the opposite, V-Shojo will focus on Leftypolfaggotry, become a sort of Reverse Phase.

Twitch liggers hate idol culture and IronMint's concert sales are proof of it. Their only chances are porn, reactslop, polfaggotry, but Ironlung can't do porn since she is a cripple, reactslop is already fading out, so polfaggotry it is.

>>101657127
I mean, it's the only thing that made them relevant in the first place. Bit of a live by the sword die by the sword thing. They'd have never got Nyanners, Vei, Zen, or probably even Melody without their model.

Who??? YT algo really do be promoting small chubas debuting
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dcQwsz0LF8

>>101657002
NTA but
>Why the hell wouldn’t you count Ame?
She is counted, though? He just put her in the bracket since she went affiliation instead of graduation and technically can come back anytime (she still works with Holo on some projects after going affiliation, too)
>And why aren’t you counting Sana?
Who else did you think the 4 graduated members were? Gura, Fauna, Mumei, Sana

>>101657078
>Is it related to mainline Vshojo or is it their Nova JP experiment? Because nobody in America gives a fuck about VShojo JP
Both Branches should I have an announcement .In my personal option I think Vshojo is going to try to go the idol route since 90% of there talents now live in japan. Talents that left have zero interests in performing

>>101657203
That thing will be a member of HoloEN in the next 5 years, count on it.

>Saba debut 2pm PST
Will this be her new timeslot?

Indie avengers will just destroy all of them, period.

>>101657183
Except Zen was the only person besides Ironmouse that cares about that shit. And they kicked Matara, a fucking outright socialist, to the curb. None of the people left care about political shit.

>>101657176
I think its some big group VRchat role play thing yeah. All of that stuff exists over on Twitch. She said she wanted to do more of that stuff (again) so she basically didn't have a choice.

>>101657146
Right but at least they're the target market.
I just don't think it's gonna be possible for new JP vtubers to get American fans in significant numbers, Americans becoming (and still to this day being) fans of Japanese streamers they can't understand was a thing because it was COVID and funny clips of miko and korone, it's not replicable in 2025

>>101657176
Yes she's joining some VRC RP event

wait this vshojo announcement just made me remember project Melody exist fuck kek what shes been up too?

>>101657261
Isn't froot still there?

>>101657281
PORN PORN PORN PORN PORN PORN PORN

>>101656850
Saba will lead Liggers to glory

>>101657261
Ironmouse does, froot does.

>>101657183
when will twitch vtubers learn

EN5 is live
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMk3oX0RCHU

>>101657249
Nope, honest to god she's probably trying to avoid overlapping Mori's charity thing. As much as shitposters want to portray her as a cunt. I bet she normally streams at 8 like she always did.

>>101657240
noo please, I can't understand wtf is she saying half the time

>>101657203
Sounds cute
But yeah YT has been doing the same on my end too, last night it recommended me some male vtuber with 12 viewers and every other day I get at least one recommendation for a random small vtuber with small viewership.

>>101657249
Maybe she wants to start her streams earlier so she can spend the night with her family like normal people

>>101657183
That sounds fucking horrible considering the political Civil War going on with streamers atm

>>101657341
My beautiful r rolling African Queen...

>>101657281
She moved to Japan

>>101657249
EST at 8PM, her usual time. Coincidentally, this is the same time when debuted as Gura.

>>101657364
LMAO

>>101657320
>>101657286
Froot doesn't really, she rarely engages with it, and we even have her leaked shit making fun of and being disguised by her tranny brother/sister/whatever.

>>101657341
Is she Afrikaans?

>>101657133
Credit where credit is due, that's true. But neither of those were true unknowns like we see in Holo.
Michi was apparently pretty big in Nijisanji with good connections (or so I hear, I certainly never watched) and of course NotHenya was a vtubing legend even if never hutting huge huge numbers.

>>101657281
Irrelevant whore shit. No one talks about her anymore ever since she made cam whores seeethe

>>101657261
What matters is the grift. Pippa didn't mean like half of the shit she said when she was on peak /pol/tuber, yet she did and she got her audience off it.

Plus, you said it, Ironmouse leans heavy into lefty shit and she is the Queen Bee of the company, what she says it's done, they have nothing else to offer.

>>101657341
>Kitanya
Is she graduating as well?

>>101657341
I'm gonna be miserable if she isn't in EN5.

>>101657002
Anon, please learn how to count to number 5

>>101657364
What phaseCucks have to do with Ligger Gods?

>>101657341
MY AFRICAN QUEEN
PLEASE YAGOO LIFT HER AWAY FROM POVERTY

Vshojokeks really having a rough time in the catalog

>>101657331
Put shippers in the low financial support quadrant

>>101657440
Michi was 1k average most of her followers were Nijisiters from leeching off EN. She lost pretty much all of them when she moved to Twitch and slagged Niji repeatedly about their treatment of her. She basically built an entirely new audience. Henya's audience is probably like 70% new 30% Pikamee-era fans. She transition to twitch *before* she reincarnated so that helped some.

>>101657477
>>101657427
>>101657382
>>101657341
>shits on Hololive
>says she never caught in it
>isn’t even in yet
>Anons treat her better than ex holos
Why?

>>101657537
Depends on the shippers.

>>101657493
Your weird nigga, you didnt know she existed before a few weeks ago, even though she was probably more known than most indies considering she was part of shondos group.

>>101657477
same day as nyana banana.

>>101657545
>Michi
fair
>Henya
Vshojo wasn't the reason why and we both know it.

No more Nijihomo shitters
My arch nemesis now is sick cats

>>101657473
You have to be committed to really do a grift like that. You can't just go up to people and ask "hey you mind being a raging political fuckface for us, it's part of our branding now" when everyone can walk out the door with their IP and literally 0 consequences. It's just not something that is going to happen. Ironmouse is headed down that road pretty much by herself.

>>101657557
Liggers itt

>>101657557
Rephrase that I think you mangled something there.

>>101657249
She's trying to debuff herself

>>101657364
all this claiming of gura as a ligger champion is frankly disgusting
She would never interact with 99.99% of the shitters they like unless forced at gunpoint by some promo
That and she was the biggest force for making hololive en be associated with the conotation it has today: Professional, dedicated to the fans, void of drama, and scorning of male vtubers, basically anathema to the entire ligger skillset

>>101657341
She's basically my last hope for the future of the branch if she doesn't make it I'll probably just fuck off from holo

>>101657599
No one expected Henya to be as popular as she became, at that point Pikamee had really fallen off. Is it from Vshojo? IDK. But the rebrand really rejuvenated her audience and career. Also partly because the Henya model is better than the two shitty late-era Pikamee models she was using (generic loli/dinosaur costume).

>>101657618
Then it's game over. V-Shojo has nothing to offer that other companies don't do better or at least can achieve better.

>Singing and Dancing
Holo, ex-Holos, motherfucking ex-Nijis!
>Gameplays
Holo, ex-Holos
>Reactslop
Fleshtubers
>CGDCT
They haven't even tried
>Dramamongering
Phase, Niji
>3D and Rigging
Holo, ex-Holos, even Liggers
>Good treatment of workers
Holo

>>101657677
Weird cope she'll be the champion of liggers in exactly 1 day and you cannot stop it.

Ex-corpo really is the 2025 EN vtubing fad, it isn't even just Hololive.

>>101657713
It's because of wizards game nigger. The spotlight was on her for months so a lot of new people discovered her.

>>101657677
sorry chumbud, she goes indie she's apart of the lig gods I don't make the rules

>>101657764
No

>>101657790
>no
yes

>>101657745
Debutmania will die a horrible death once people realize that people watch ex-Holos not because they left the company or because of anti-corpo sentiment but because they were professionals that formed a fanbase off a half decade long career of good content and friendly interactions with their peers.

>>101657737
>>101657788
kill yourself liggers.

>>101657677
>”here is how Saba’s 20k stream is still a holo victory”
Lmao leech

>>101657341
Why does she sound like your average American half the time and completely different the other half?

>>101657834
Sorry lig-chama she doesn't have enough STDs to be considered a ligger, same with Nimi and Dooby.

I swear talent freedom has always meant being able to switch games mid stream and literally nothing else

>>101657677
3/4ths of what you said is false, but that males part can't be debated and placed her at stark conflict with the average ligger

>>101657537
You say this when the biggest merch movers in Hololive are a ship.

>>101657902
CCGG oneshotted the Twitter lesbian community like crack did to 1980s Los Angeles, now you CAN'T buy a Gigi plushie without buy a CC one.

>>101657537
We don't have data but I guarantee autofister together move the most merch in justice probably by a mile, and every gigi fan has to buy the CC plushie and vice reversa

>>101657557
>shits on Hololive
the clips you keep posting are all out of context

>>101657883
Perms and point autism is a shitty thing to deal with

>>101657902
ships only work if the talents are already popular or at least one of them is a decent merch mover, two runts are not gonna have any noticable gain

>>101657889
Eh there's plenty of liggers that don't do male collabs, probably about 30% don't do regular male collabs. if you refine that down to "never collab with males" it's still like 15%.

>>101657940
What percent of the Holo fanbase do you think are lesbians?

>>101657973
Matsuri... luna...

>>101657958
even in context they don't reflect what he's saying. you got the triple whammy of
>mass reply
>misinfo
>can't even speak english

>>101657997
Why do you think only lesbians enjoy ships? Do you think every amesame guy was and every miko-suisei fan is a twitter lesbian?
this thread talks about twitter lesbians a lot more than they actually have influence in this fanbase, mostly because of a small amount of more visible ones like maddie and mittsu

>>101657883
Sort of? it also means they can watch a quick clip of something they wanna talk about, or pull up any image, play any game, cover any song, sing whatever they want, have full control of everything. Having freedom does do more than just allow you to switch games but it's ultimately up to them how they wanna take advantage of said freedom. For someone like kson for example, "talent freedom" just meant she could do her flesh thing and her vtuber thing together, that's it. For others, when they realize they can do it all, they end up doing nothing differently.

>>101658070
I don't think men do shipping normally

>>101658003
yes and? they both were always good individuals at moving merch

OUR ALLIANCE IS UNSTOPPABLE

>>101657883
It means having not having to run anything by management before you do it and being able to walk away with your IP. Those are the big advantages.

Reminder:

Homos > Phase
Even with Phase daily bot usage while raiding the bots to one another, they still lost.

>***PHASE VS STARS MIDGET COPE TALLY***

* YESTERDAY'S FINAL TALLY *

>2,334 Roberu (Holostars)
>2,247 Pippa (Phase Connect)
>1,810 Uruka (Phase Connect)
>1,257 Ruze (Holostars)
>1,201 Bettel (Holostars)
>1,045 Panko (Phase Connect)

JANUARY 2025 GOLD

> PER COMPANY
19x: Holostars
12x: Phase Connect

> PER STREAMER
11x Pippa
9x: Roberu
3x: Crimson Ruze
2x: Bettel
2x: Oga
1x: Hakka
1x: Uruka
1x: Gold Nullet
1x: Octavio

Final Tally of the Month!

Roberu absolutely blasting Pippa Connect with his long-ass fuck streams, with several of them reaching 8 hours! Showing that the Leech Branch Bro Power is stronger than Small Corpo Thoth Cuck Enjoyers!

Rejoice, my Number Brothers, for today we celebrate Pippa Connect's downfall under men's foot! And a huge cock that they won't be able to swallow, because this means that the Homo branch is actually stronger than Phase! What a fucking shame! Truly the corpo for fat losers!

This month the homos took the Candy from the fatties, but don't forget to come back next month to see small shitters nobodies fighting one another!

>>101657940
Honestly pretty true. Im betting they will eventually pull a miComet and drop matching merch.

https://poal.me/9f1d5g
https://poal.me/9f1d5g
https://poal.me/9f1d5g

Do you still care about numbers?

>>101658157
In the sense of making fancams and drawing yaoi-hands lesbian softcore porn of exquisite agony in rumpled white linen sheets on sunny mornings, probably not.
In the sense of enjoying the autofister or amesame or whatever dynamic? I think you'd be surprised

>>101658157
kek you would be surprised, a lot are men or women born men

It's really sad reading /ahoy/
I wonder if that's how fanbases whose girl abandoned like chumbuds feels like

>>101658135
>when they realize they can do it all, they end up doing nothing differently
grim, is creativity and taking risks a thing of the past?

I just realized do Liggers even watch Nimi or Dooby? I feel like their audience is still largely the same Teamates and Saplings as before

>>101658204
Thoth?

>>101658204
>Gold Nullet

>>101658234
I only care about numbers when they make FWMC look good since I love them with all my heart and wish nothing but the best for them.

>>101658273
/lig/ is like 90% twitch, they watch twitch streamers. People with their own generals Doki, Mint, Dooby, Nimi typically don't use /lig/ for their discussion.

Watame is just about to hit 30k playing some random pizzaria simulator
Was also this strong?

>>101657941
>every gigi fan has to buy the CC plushie and vice reversa
>every
>has to

>>101658273
>Liggers
>Teamates and Saplings
nigger what?

>>101658273
liggers are a tiny ass thread of maybe 50 unique ids at most that barely ever talk about them, it's just a very easy to use anti shitpost angle even though they are technically biggers

>>101658234
I only come to here to shitpost so all the schizos are attracted to this thread like flies and leave the rest of the generals in /vt/ alone
So far it seems to work so I will continue doing it

>>101658350
dude fuck off

>>101658402
You're doing a terrible job since almost every general still has schizos

>Saba, Nimi, Vedal, Filian, Shylily, Zen, Mint, Doki, Dooby
Can HoloEN even compete with this lineup?

Doesn't Zen literally get to keep everything and still interact with Vshojo normally? Why is everyone acting like its a big deal?

>>101658273
Nimi and Dooby are a mix of their own core fanbases and holo box fans. /lig/ is all about twitch. The whole "haha holokeks the liggers are going to steal your women" thing is just shitposting. why would /lig/ watch nimi or dooby, they don't and won't ever interact with any of their favorites and aren't on the website they use.

>>101658429
Why the random hostility bud

>101658350
>101658429
ESL samepag

>>101658462
Are you retarded or are you just bored?

>>101658402
>So far it seems to work
I have seen the other threads. That shit is not working.
Retards keep thinking they're playing internet-batman and always suck ass at it.

>>101658462
It's not a big deal for Zen her(him)self, it's a big deal for vshojo fans because their box is fragmenting.
And yeah they always say they'll still collab a lot and can whenever, but the leaving talents won't be at events, won't be at the vshojo AX booth and panels, etc.
Plus this whole "we'll still collab!" thing reminds me of myself saying something similar to half the people I knew in high school who I never talked to after graduation day.

>>101658563
Oh, I didn't think of it like that. Yea that's pretty big then

>>101658204
>JANUARY
kek, wtf?

>>101658429
Looks natty to me

>>101658269
qrd on marine?

>>101658273
Pretty sure the ligger general is just a laimu general in disguise

>>101658665
>Diarrhea

>>101656232
Phasecucks mountain of bot cope

>>101658462
It's less about Zen and more about Vshojo itself potentially dying because the organization is being rendered redundant in the current industry with members having a shrinking justification for even being a part of it.

Phase win number 2 spot just like that.

>>101658665
Playing darts with Ao, Su and Aruran

>>101658618
Why are they UOHing if Saba isn’t even in the pic?

>>101658724
>catalog right now

>>101658710
>No proof

>>101657582
Actually she used to be an "intermission hours" chuuba in /jp/ /hlgg/, anons would talk about her if there was no holo on

>>101656596
Please someone explain what those 2 literal whos are doing in this thing at the end of the day? Do they have stake in this company? Paid leeching?
I cannot for the life of me figure it out. There's no one on the planet who wants that shirt because of Ashton Kutcher and whoever the fuck that other person is

>>101658704
Yep, Vshojo finally imploding from lack of funds and no one wants to give more to Vshojo since it’s just going to be funneled only to Ironmouse anyways. Some the “girls” that have left including Zen had thrown shade her way

>>101658703
I don't know how they could fumbled that bad

>>101658429
the engine spares no one

>>101658791
>Please someone explain what those 2 literal whos are doing in this thing at the end of the day?
They were invited by oshispark. This isn't a Nimi/Dooby concert where they invited these literal whos, it was all arranged by Oshispark, Nimi/Dooby just said yes. If it wasn't these two literal whos it would've been two other literal whos

i am watching Watame in my Tesla

>>101656596
This is the HoloMeet merch all over again where the unity shit is full and the IRyS and Miko stuff are sold out. I bet that shirt sells like shit but the badges sell like candy from people buying 3-4 of them to get Dooby or Nimi

>>101658273
Everybody who’s responded to you has never stepped foot in /lig/ and has no idea what they’re talking about btw. Nimi and Dooby do get some liveposting there, if only by a few people. But that same thing is true for basically every ligger. /lig/ isn’t like Hololive global where 50% of the thread might be talking about one stream, and the other 50% talking about another, rather you have like 2-3 people each talking about dozens of different liggers all streaming simultaneously.

>>101658882
The can badges aren't random nigga

>>101658563
did they ever had a box? i remember there was some resemble of it back then in 2021-2022(? or so, and all that shit vanished once nyanners vei and silver left, probably even before consideringand from what silver said, there wasnt any "family" as kekson wanted to make everyone to believe

>>101658665
She hangs out with some of the homos offstream.

>>101658822
Just like all the exclusivity contracts from 2017-2021 for brands and streaming sites, they all ended up flopping bad. Idk how much they paid Kson out of that $11 million but her spending 2 yrs constantly shilling them and spending even more money on a JP branch was incredibly retarded

>>101658935
Oh then they did learn since Cover got shat on for doing the same with Girl and homo shit

>>101658965
Me when Saba says she needs to pee

>>101658885
>Nimi and Dooby do get some liveposting there, if only by a few people.
No, I wouldn't call 1-2 posts in an entire thread "liveposting".

>>101658937
I believe Kson wanted a family feel when she joined and she was probably sold that

>>101658969
No, I mean the Virtual Vacation one isn't random. Cover will never stop that random shit because it's predatory and makes more money

>>101658937
I really don't watch vshojo (I've watched a little henya here and there, I liked pikamee back in the day) but from what I gather, they actually did have a resurgence of box feelings with all the new entrants especially henya who everyone adored. But i guess things have been getting isolated again over there.

>>101658937
>>101658945
I wonder what kind of demon possessed Kson to have done all those kinds of stupid shit when she first joined V-Shojo, the V-Tuber Jesus arc was inmensely funny but in retrospective that shit was cringe.

>>101657569
>>101657902
>>101657941
Autofister, Mikomet, ShioRaven, Amesame and Okakoro indeed sell merch. On the other hand you have / had Kromei, BloodRaven & ShishiWata

>>101658839
>They were invited by oshispark
Ok nigger but W H Y these two ? They have no clout, reach or audience.

Sheep still standing~~
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHwVBirqD2s

So what does she see in vshoujo over holo or indie life where she still views it as some amazing paradise?

>>101659066
I don't know about Hyuni, I really don't get her choice, but Oshispark worked with Ashton before and pushed decent enough merch for her to be the first one chosen this time around.

>>101659008
Sorry youre right, it’s still random just without homos mixed in. Homo being mixed in with girls caused for the badges to not sell for the fear of getting homo shit

>>101659060
sis really just tried to put autofister and shioraven in the same sentence as micomet and okakoro

>>101659040
I think she was just having a tough time honestly. She was trying to convince herself, even more than us, that her career wasn't over, that the peak wasn't behind her, etc. That there were still things to look forward to and new places to belong. And she was sad and confused that a lot of her old fans didn't follow her over which is why she sometimes had those "They didn't leave, YOU did!" outbursts.

>>101659086
Nothing, she got a golden parachute

>>101659040
The fact she suddenly stopped doing it shows to me it was a paid contract. She got the bag and had to do her job

Qrd

>>101659115
Even now more people care about Coco than ever cared about Kson, especially after she joined vshojo. At least she most likely got a fat stack of cash.

>>101659086
At least this fatass finally lost weight

>>101659086
They gave her a phat check from those $11 million. That’s enough for anyone to pledge loyalty

Person closing the last shift be like

>>101659168
I don't watch Kson but I really hope she has found peace with it all. Her career isn't so bad. Is she as big as coco? No, but she has had good stuff happen like that Yakuza cameo which is objectively pretty damn cool.

>>101659166
She knows from firsthand experience

>>101659166
she made a post claiming that indies do not have managers, and if they do have managers those are actually their secret boyfriends because indie vtubing does not warrant manager work. a lot of indies and their managers took offense to that.
so now there's a game about playing a manager who fucks the vtubers he's managing.

holy grim

>>101659166
mentally ill bitch drama farming as usual

>>101659230
And then there was Sinder

>>101658478
>they don't and won't ever interact with any of their favorites
did you forget about Doob collabing with Bao and Fillian already

>>101658822
They tried to have their cake and eat it too. Vshojo was built to be
>"An organization with the resources to support Vtubers while still granting the members the freedom of an indie."
The problem is that in order to do the latter they have to drastically limit their capabilities in the former so you're stuck with Mythic Talent with extra steps and a worse cut with a consulting agency stapled on because Vshojo management can only SUGGEST and RECOMMEND members to do things.

>>101659166
She knows from 1st hand experience. Also it blew up because of Sinder having a manager Boyfriend she tried to hid and sweep hide the carpet when she got found out

>>101659230
Is it a good game at least?

>>101659166
Weird that she would tweet that, she literally had a boyfriend yab and tried to hide it.

>want to post something that popped up on my twitter
>an album, featuring a bunch of vtubers
>but also devilcube is in it
Well shit

>Vshojo had comeuppance with Nyanners, Vei, and Silver peacing out
>Niji had comeuppance with Selen drama and heavy hitters like Pomu, Mysta, +others leaving
>Hololive had it comeuppance with Ame, Fauna, Gura, and Mumei leaving
>The wheel of comeuppance has again landed on Vshojo

When is it phase’s turn to finally get their lumps?

>>101659306
I think La Demonio de los Dados isn't insta-ban anymore.

>>101659303
You think it matters to her
This drama seeking bullshit is how she gets her attention. Le heckin based crowd is what sustains her.

>>101659303
That wasn’t her manager though, it was her “cat”.

>>101659277
Yes Dooby was quite in the corner like every fucking myth collab ever except there was no Gura to be in the corner with her. The whole collab was Doki and filain shouting over each other

>>101659303
Because her fanbase is completely braindead all they know how to say is based like fucking parrot retards

>>101659332
we already had it
-saya graduation
-hina hiatus
-dizzy hiatus
mass shooter yab

>>101659337
If I get banned I blame you
https://x.com/JOENNmusic/status/1938629484023804182

>>101659166
She's fucking her cat

>>101659306
Mori literally reposted Gachiakuta promo art that had both her names next to each other, I think you're good

oh how did that kiara/ollie/mint/i forgot collab go
I didn't even realize it happened already until a clip popped up in my feed

>>101659370
>Caspurr

>>101659370
>album
>caspurr cattini
That bug just won’t die

>>101659086
>>101659206
She do be looking happy, skip around the stream from 8h ago, also she's hot again since she's not a fatso
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2497224274

>>101659332
it's only a matter of time for Pippa ( unless she's baiting on her RM account )

>>101659431
I wish she just did porn already.

>>101659166
Dont tell me ms michael otis is projecting again

>>101659406
Nope, you’re expecting Jannies to watch streams or Twitter actively. I’ve gotten banned a handful of times for saying shit that happened on stream

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUd3Sf2Fzi0
STOP OVERMODULATING THE VOICES HOLY FUCK DO THEY NOT LISTEN TO THE ORIGINAL BEFORE THEY DO THESE COVERS
STOP FUCKING OVER VBS SONGS ALREADY IT PAINS ME

>>101659452
dozou

uh oh
>>101659401
PhaseFatCuck bros? Our response?

>>101659436
pippa said she was going to stream in phase for 4 more years a few days ago

>>101659086
Kson basically created the JP part of Vshojo all on her own which is actually doing better than the EN side now all things considered.

>>101659339
she complains about dramas why does she keep doing this ?

>>101659431
I wanted JOI asmr

>>101659477
>linking your own thread here since no one was replying
that's just sad

Who cares, VS is literally the Ironmouse show and can survive with only here. No one else really mattered.

>>101659474
I thought Reine sounded cool on this

>>101659366
If that’s phases comeuppance then they really are un-comeuppanceable.

>>101659477
janny this is just said you wont save the board by making bait threads

>>101659452
i would love if she goes full force on the whore route honestly, a bit more of training on her body and she's set

>>101659332
Yeah when is the school shooter factory finally gonna get a yab?

>>101659560
It doesn't matter when they keep modulating the voices as if they're fucking vocaloids or some shit WHEN THIS IS THE MOVIE SONG AND IT'S LITERALLY ONLY HUMAN SINGERS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ys62bgbPEsg
Like holy shit listen to this and then go listen to the cover again. What the actual fuck were they thinking? They need to stop doing VBS dirty with these covers already

Peeking at the Vshojo thread, looks like Zen ranted about IM ignoring xer recently. Not the first member leaving to have done that, right?

>>101659595
roru
rumao

>>101659600
mouse owns part of the company, she was probably mad the bottom line was being effected

>>101659431
Her tits were very suckable today I will say

>>101659600
IM probably is a cunt at the end of the day, if it werent for her being a cripple she would be viewed like one of those pol thots that orbit hassan.

>>101659599
Reine talked a bit about that in her postchat with Kiara. They weren't trying to sound like the original here, and Reine worked with someone she's familiar with (I think that's what she said) so it ended up with her house sound. I guess the rationale was that they'd necessarily be doing their own version of it rather than a straight cover because half of Vivid Bad Squad are dudes and they just can't sing in that range.
I get why you'd be annoyed if you're a fan of the original, but Reine really loves that stuff and wanted to do her own version.

>>101659595
Believe me when I say I am no fan of phase, but that is the yab equivalent of a vtuber farting on stream. Good ammo for shitposter, but doesn’t actually affect their numbers in any way.

>>101659370
>caspur and satancube
I wonder if they talked to each other again. That guy might be a fucking loser but his insistence on showing up everywhere is something to behold, he simply refuses to go away.

>>101659185
>>101659431
She... lost weight?

No.... :(

>>101659600
>recently

>>101659599
retard, Anya can't sing and Kiara sings that high in Japanese, that's what you'll get

>>101659569
>>101659537
>>101658204

>>101659600
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJ3j_-NyGfI
Silver talked about it. They weren't really friends, talked like once every six months and only about business, and the whole "we're besties teehee" thing was basically kayfabe

>>101659747
>Anya can't sing
Jpmixersama y u use this board??

>>101659747
>Anya can't sing
Her cover of phony is better than Suisei's

>>101659166
Porn game where you are the "manager" of vtubers and fuck them. The game imagines vtuber managers as if they were actual idol managers, physically going to talents homes and directing their streams and whatnot.

>>101659600
Is there anyone not named Connor that IM doesn't ignore?

>>101659600
Ironmouse doesn't care about Vshojo and doesn't care about vtubers too

>>101659711
Their numbers are already irrelevant. The only reason phase exists in this thread is for shitposting

>>101659258
What about her? The game is more like the situation at Idol where the manager guy was fucking Riro (and maybe other people). Sinder's manager was already her boyfriend before she even started vtubing, hardly salacious.

>>101659747
Did you even read the post or did you just decide to spew bullshit and ignore what was said

>>101659858
Hassan

>>101659332
>Phase dodging that shit Matrix-style

>>101659086
>Cons: Nothing

>all these caspurr reactions
Dead and forgotten rotting in a landfill he still has more mindcher than the one literally right there that is still around

>>101659711
like most dramas ?
it doesn't change the fact that dramatubers never talk about Phase.

>>101659711
>but doesn’t actually affect their numbers in any way
Living in a swamp, damage control Phase bro? Why are you trying to validate their fake numbers?

tectone made $400,000 in the past month, and is on track to make $500,000 this month.
He is a 4k-5k streamer on twitch, and he gets 1 million views/day on Youtube.

>>101659431
I'd still fuck her

>>101659933
There's always flips here we know

>>101659475
wait wtf eggplants really do look like dicks?

>>101659600
ddin't Silverware mention that too?

>>101659960
forgot timestamp
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02xI34hCi_w&t=117

>>101659960
he made $400,000 from Twitch, youtube, or all his income combined including sponsorships and merch and shit like that?

Tinboy..

>>101659954
Graduations are not just drama shitposting

>>101660086
>didn’t post stream length
Shitposting

>>101660086
see now THIS is leeching

>>101660124
like 1 or 2 min in lol

>>101659431
>brought Hololive into existence
>facilitated formation of HoloEN
>is loved by all holos
>got to be in the game with her husbando
Overall, great career that warrants respect, despite a few cringe moments here and there.

>>101660046
He has said in the past that the great majority of his income comes from Youtube.
And one look at socialblade is enough to tell you why. His videos are being heavily pushed in the algorithm and he's getting 1 million views/day.

In general, you get $1 for every 1000 views on youtube.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7JDF8XJ5NA&t=663
That number goes up if you have more American/European viewers, and goes down if you have more Japan/SEA viewers.
Also Shorts can add tons of views that don't equate to income. So can things like song covers.

So him making about $400k-$500k makes sense under these circumstances

So how has everyone's Friday been so far?

>>101659960
tectone is one of the biggest drama niggers ever and a lolcow whose whole schtick is copying asmon

Can't help but think Amalee is kind of an idiot for joining Vshojo. Like did she shop around at all? Call Mythic or an actual talent agency?
Maybe they gave her a sweetheart deal because they knew they needed reinforcements with all of this in the pipe?

>>101660086
Doki really needs a man to tell her her model sucks

>>101660181
same as 3 years ago anon...

>>101660246
Why would Japan be bracketed with SEA?

>>101660257
I feel like Amalee has been around long enough she can do her own sponsorships and brand deals without needing Mythic. As for why she joined Vshojo idk, not sure what they offer, maybe she just thought it would be cool to be in an established group. She does like collabing a lot.

>>101659600
feels like a twitlonger could drop on IM at any moment

>>101660312
have you looked at their currency?

>>101660086
Is Doki a real lesbo, or does she just dress like one?

>>101660355
Google dockey incoming

>>101660246
http://x.com/StronnyNSFW/status/1929353224852562321

is that *the* Stronny Cuttles?

>>101657427
She is a boer, Trump-sama has to save her and her family

>>101660312
Japan is like 12th, the anon is exaggerating. Still the difference between top 5 to top 12 is significant

>>101660354
From what I've heard vshojo has really good signing bonuses

>>101660181
Most of Coco's achievements exist in the brain of cocofags.

https://youtu.be/6tkD0K4ByjY
https://youtu.be/6tkD0K4ByjY
https://youtu.be/6tkD0K4ByjY
Dooby2D

>>101660415
Are any South Africans even taking that deal? I feel like being King Shit on your 500 year old family farm is better, even with the periodic risk of beheading, than moving to the US and being some asshole with a weird accent working at Target.

>>101659185
>kaho lost weight
>went down like 3 cup sizes
There should be a law where if you have huge tits you have to stay above a certain BMI so your tits dont deflate

>>101660470
Oh Nimi definitely won't stream today. For fuck's sake why is she doing this so fucking early

https://x.com/JOENNmusic/status/1938629484023804182
So Yura, that phase hoe - don't know if the bbc one, demon homo dice, shiki? why? and kaspuurr 2 view homoccini, jeez it's all about pic rel

>>101660514
Out of nowhere with 3 hours notice, very cool Dooby.

>>101659727
Yes, she looks like a human being again

>>101660486
From what you've heard being.....random speculation on /#/? They *might* have a nice signing bonus, they might not, we don't know. And it might have only ever went to Kekson and Menhera Mike since they haven't got any big names since then.

>>101660529
bro shut up, she won't stream until Sunday at least.

Been hearing Goobs Target for Love cover the past few days and i love her the same as ever. She still makes me smile and her voice still fills me with happiness. I’m ready

>>101660529
She was never gonna stream today

>>101660570
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdEQmpVIE4A

>>101659796
IM doesn’t really seem to be friends with anyone in vshojo

>>101660661
What about Cannur

>>101660374
>IM gets exposed as a terrible person
>IM goes for mutually assured destruction
>reveals zen is a man

Would be pretty funny.

>>101658618
lmao

>>101660470
>>101660514
Was Saba's debut trying to avoid overlapping Dooby, not realizing she switched her birthday a day earlier?

>>101660661
She's only "friends" with people from popular than her.

>>101660712
I kinda get why Dooby did that, at first I was confused but then I realized that she probably didn't want to overlap/be on the same day as Saba's debut anniversary with her birthday for the rest of their careers, considering they'll likely share a box

Bruh
https://x.com/jeanwanwanart/status/1936623262198595606
https://files.catbox.moe/0u2qx2.mp4

>>101660708
would zen reveal ironmaiden "secret"?

I wanna have sex with Saba

>>101660759
I fucking love bitches, yeaaaaaah, shake that ass.

>>101660779
Would also be funny

>>101660759
This is IRyS legacy now

>>101660830
Nice ass? Pretty good legacy

>>101660830
Being pure sex? Based

>>101660708
Ironlung's entire shtick against drama is acting like the poor little cripple thing that is being attacked by souless monsters, if Zentranny goes against her he would only end up getting cancelled.

>Is a piece of shit
>Gets called out for being a piece of shit
>NOOOOOOOOO HOW COULD YOU SAY THAT DON'T YOU SEE SHE HAS A TERMINAL GIGADISEASE?

>>101660389
I think I like these whoretubers as a fill in when there is nothing to watch.

>>101660514
what is this some sort of chibi model?

>>101660470
>>101660514
That thumbnail....

She's becoming cunnier. She's embracing her cunny master side more and more, just in time for Saba. Granted, she was secretly cunny adjacent for a while now as Ame.

>>101660990
god dammit, she's everywhere where's degeneracy

>>101661045
tranny buff>crippled woman buff

i go phase connect

>>101659600
>>101659796
>>101660661
Why can't those "big western vutbers" just be nice to each other? It's works for Hololive.

>>101661081
It's a chibi model
Though she does have a real model in the works too

>>101661122
because at the core, they're bad people raised in an ultra-individualized society

>>101661111
I'm calling the FBI

>>101661122
The best girls in Hololive are Japanese or want to be Japanese

>>101661201
Most of the Holos are from that same society and are fine.

>>101661122
A - Some people never forget the crab bucket, it's like suddenly becoming rich after a life of poverty, you pench pennies like you're still poor, you fuck over your coworkers like you're still a lig (best example NijiEN)

B - Holo's recruitment system makes it so the people joining in are already predisposed to make friends and have a good relationship with their coworkers, if they see you're antisocial, you won't get in. Hell sometimes they overdo it a little bit and you get a woman so desperate for attention and love that she'll bake cookies for her friends, and then you make her the Demon of Sound.

>>101661262
>if they see you're antisocial, you won't get in

>>101661169
Both of these can be true. Though I wonder of having this ready was less the real deal isn't reandy but more for her temporary location.

>>101661288
I mean, yeah, even the single most isolated HoloEN (Shiori) won't fuck over her coworkers with drama and unnecessary cliquemaking. There is a difference between asocial and antisocial

>>101661309 (me)

Although I just remembered that orobou drew a cunny doob the other day too...

This is ERB's future https://x.com/LeeandLie/status/1938649950327640168

>Mori and fagni
Lol

>>101661122
Being totally realistic, it's unreasonable to expect everyone to like each other in corporations and be legitimate friends. This isn't high school and these aren't "friend groups", friend groups exist within all these corpos, but the broader association is a business relationship.
Even in Hololive, where it seems like a lot of talents like each other and become legitimately really close, there are going to be talents who are indifferent to each other and even dislike each other. It's about handling it professionally.
Cover asks this question in their interview process, btw, according to that giant post from the indie who wrote up her 7 auditions and the entire multi-year experience. https://www.reddit.com/r/VirtualYoutubers/comments/1kk4as5/i_spent_3_years_auditioning_for_hololive_english/

>>101659007
>I believe Kson wanted a family feel when she joined and she was probably sold that
That’s something that will NEVER not be funny
>1:00:31 Question: What pros and cons are there to joining VShojo?
>1:00:47 Answer: Pros: Tech support, safety, legal support / Cons: Nothing
>1:00:59 Kson: In regards to safety, I'm now here at AX, right?
>1:01:03 Kson: They hired me a bodyguard.
>1:01:11 Kson: I always got one with me.
>1:01:17 Kson: Wearing a bulletproof vest and everything.
>1:01:28 Kson: VShojo will also provide me legal support.
>1:01:39 Kson: Think of them as an Avengers team of people who love VTubers.
>1:01:49 Kson: As for cons..... I can't think of any at the moment.

>>101661422
>>1:01:39 Kson: Think of them as an Avengers team of people who love VTubers.
AIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>101661386
Its grim outside of the cgdct garden

>>101661422
>1:01:39 Kson: Think of them as an Avengers team of people who love VTubers.
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

>no more troons in vshojo
does that mean they are good now?

>>101661456
Not until they get rid of the Homo

>>101661416
>it's unreasonable to expect everyone to like each other in corporations and be legitimate friends.
True but even the lowest bar
>not being backbiting bitches
is rare

>>101657281
she moved live permanently in Japan. More than half of vshojo are japan resident now.

>>101661386
Mega AIDS inside, don't open

>>101661386
I opened this and got AIDS on my eyes now, thanks

>>101661422
Is this the birthplace of indie avengers

>>101661386
Thanks for the Mega Aids

>>101661500
can they even speak Japanese?
why the fuck would you want to live in a country where you can communicate?

>>101661590
>>101661626
scale of 1 to 10, how badly will I be scarred for wanting to satisfy my curiosity

>>101661686
Like a solid 7,3/10

>>101661686
Do not
there's a bunch of fucked up AIDS in there

>>101661628
Japan is fucking nice, dude, have you ever been? It's amazing.
I'd move to Japan in a heartbeat and I don't speak a lick of nipponese.
I might not stay there for my entire life but 3-4 years while I'm young? fuck yeah. You can get by well enough just learning the basics (in tokyo half of the service staff you see will speak basic eigo anyway), and if you want friends, there are plenty of gaijin in tokyo to be pals with.

You know, the whole "V-Shojo is moving to idolshit" sounds and feels like a cope by people that REAAAAAALLY want Hololive to have a competition on their own field, like a less ridiculous version of the Indie Avengers shitposts.

>>101660661
At the end of the day there's a limit to how close you can get to someone that you can only interact with online

>>101661493
It requires, like anon said, professionalism.
Unfortunately, it's a common trend among internet content creators to be casual and take things too personal.
A hololive member who notices that another member started to RP during a collaboration stream might follow up and RP together. The average western vtuber might not notice it's an RP and take offense.

One group knows they are professional entertainers in front of an audience, the other group are a bunch of loose canons who might or might not explode at the next moment.

>>101661742
Vshojo is so undercapitalized and tiny to try to play Hololive's in-person concert game
One disastrous low-sales event and the whole fucking company might flirt with collapse. The risks are outrageous. There are very good reasons it hasn't happened.

>>101661686
Megaaids, which must be noted is different from ironlung's gigaaids

>>101661864
I just got aids from this

>>101661847
>begging on not even a vtuber subr*ddit
oof

>>101661847
This really feels cringe and desperate. Like why would you go to a VN subreddit for this man

>>101660759
ngl it's good marketing I actually ended up buying the soda with her code

>>101661288
Should be noted that some of the most antisocial ENs were the ones who left first.

>>101661847
Ok is this a ban worthy offense? I thought their first post was removed for shilling?

>>101661503
>>101661590
>>101661626
>>101661712
>>101661864
>>101661890

>>101662003
EYYYYYYYYYYY I'M WALKING 'ERE

>>101661899
Really cringe I get shiori wasnt there but they really should've drawn her anyways

>>101662078
fuck you beggar

>>101662003
But TONE.... he got fuckin' aids from that....

>>101661847
what about mococo?

>>101662078
S-team...

>>101662078
She goes out of her way to not spend time with them. If it werent for the Advent collabs she would barely interact with the 4.

numbas?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tkD0K4ByjY

>>101662197
50k take it or leave it

>>101662197
17.4k

This is Zentreya. Not a tranny just a brown Mexican man.

>>101662197
20k

>>101662197
12k, im going low

>>101662197
15k

>>101662161
Mods really should've just removed it if it broke the rules

>>101662003
Ohhhhhhhh! he got the good quality version

>>101661386
Holy sexpest

>>101662197
If it was just one day later I would predict big numbers, but now...
18k

>>101662197
>2 hours later than saba debut
Well there goes any hope it's a long stream

>>101662197
I think she might get a lil boost from the anticipation for Saba.
12k floor
18k expected
22k+ overperform?

>>101662161
If it's the rules, they should remove it. Considering it's plebbit, maybe make it so high-profile creators shouldn't start threads as they want, they must contact staff first, or something like that.

>>101662291
Its the most popular thread on the sub, the ruffians have already taken over

>>101662078
Happy now?

>>101662342
anon?

>>101662342
That isn’t today retard

>>101662363
jej

>>101662078
Im like 70% certain this is what she wants

>>101662344
There is also a grand total of one public EN stream today so there isn't even any Holo overlap.

>>101662363
i saw this coming as soon as he posted that

I hate sick cats.

>>101662363
Jutard and Flayggot spitroasted that hog

>>101662363
kek fitting for pag blood

>>101662363
KEK

>>101662003
I hope you're right. Paulieanon can't take any more betrayal

>>101662363
pigori cute

>>101661847
play good games for stream challenge: impossible

>>101662363
Holyfags really turn on their chuubas at the drop of a hat huh

>>101662363
Shiori would unironically find this funny.