https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kguaGI7aZg Edition

Welcome to /vsj+/! A thread to discuss VShojo and vtubers who frequently associate with them.

This thread will move by so fast no one will notice the change to the OP.

Image source: https://x.com/zentreya/status/1938644205657633062

VShojo is:
Amalee - https://www.twitch.tv/leeandlie | https://www.youtube.com/@LeeandLieTVCLIPS
Froot - https://www.twitch.tv/apricot | https://www.youtube.com/@ApricotFroot
Haruka - https://www.twitch.tv/harukakaribu | https://www.youtube.com/@HarukaKaribu
Henya - https://www.twitch.tv/henyathegenius | https://www.youtube.com/@henyathegenius
Hestia - https://www.twitch.tv/hestiahappiness | https://www.youtube.com/@HestiaHappiness
Hime - https://www.twitch.tv/hajime | https://www.youtube.com/@himehajime1570
Hotaru - https://www.twitch.tv/akatsukidhotaru | https://www.youtube.com/@AkatsukiDHotaru
Kson - https://www.twitch.tv/ksonsouchou | https://www.youtube.com/@ksonONAIR
Kuro - https://www.twitch.tv/k9kuro | https://www.youtube.com/@K9KURO
Mel - https://www.twitch.tv/projektmelody | https://www.youtube.com/@projektmelody
Michi - https://www.twitch.tv/michimochievee | https://www.youtube.com/@MichiMochievee
Mouse - https://www.twitch.tv/ironmouse | https://www.youtube.com/@IronMouseParty
Nagi - https://www.twitch.tv/NagIsekaied | https://www.youtube.com/@NagIsekaied
Peke - https://www.twitch.tv/pekeispeak | https://www.youtube.com/@PekeIsPeak
Zen - https://www.twitch.tv/zentreya | https://www.youtube.com/@zentreya

Official Channels - https://www.twitch.tv/vshojo | https://www.youtube.com/@VShojo

Related:
/vsjp/ + /voms/ for VShojo Japan and VOMS Project discussion
/lig/ and /big/ for extended + and former member discussion

Previous Thread: >>101655095

IT'S ALL OKAY!

>resurrects Anti-Lewd Commander
>leaves

Anything good on the Steam sale?

DEFEND YOUR TRIBE HUMAN! YOUR TRIBE IS UNDER ATTACK IF YOUR TRIBE FAILS YOU WILL STARVE AND DIE!

It's been a terrible 5 years

The pain isn't over yet, Vshojo is going to announce Froot, Hime, and Haruka leaving soon

>>101658495
>Vshojo was making her more lewd

>>101658533

>>101658517
There has maybe been 8 months of total actual bad times of Vshojo. The rest have been neutral to fantastic.

On the bright side Mei wont join and he's not a plus. Hes not a good person.

>>101658533
they are realistically the least likely to leave
If anyone's leaving, probably Kuro

>>101658572
Yup, meicha's also a nazi

I just dont want Vshojo to go under. Henya wouldnt survive as an indie

>>101658533
Froot and Haruka wouldn't be painful at this point.

>>101658533
if any group wanted to poach kson this seems like the ideal moment
just throw the right number at her

so meicha is infact a man i see the voice clips that one anon posted intersex can't make that real.

Let me guess, in the event that Vshojo recovers, anons are gonna be saying "Thank God none of the plus leeches are here anymore", won't you?

>>101658572
rent free

>>101658593
Henya has a support system in place now. She can make it.

reminder if mouse never met connor none of this would have ever happened

I bet the retarded thread detective feels pretty retarded right now. The zen out rear wasn’t a trat at all but rather very real

Zen was a sexpest that sexually harassed all the girls, actually.

Zen leaving makes sense, he was invading his female co-worker's spaces. GunRun introduced new policies to make it stop and Zen left angry

>>101658615
The rrar was that Zen was gonna retire permanently, not become an indie

>>101658572
mei is a peke plus now, get fucked

>>101658606
Yep happy Mei is /out/ he's horrible for vshojo to keep around and the reason zen and geega left

what a nice way tp start the weekend

>>101658615
In english please

>>101658615
You wanna try that again, bud?

I FUCKING LOVE PHASE CONNECT AMIRITE FELLOW SCIZOBOYS

>>101658635
kek nope you wish meis perma out im elated did you see the voice clips?

>>101658533
And nobody will care because Hime was a joke hire and Froot went MIA. Haruka is barely streaming too.

>>101658660
I've got no reason to hate phase

Does Zen have a plan? Or is she just leaving and winging it?

>>101658600
Kson is a leech that will waste your budget on first class airline tickets
If you're an org owner you really don't want her

>>101658660
pippa is based and a plus btw

Thoughts on this?

>>101658660
fish man seems to do more for his girls than gunrun at this point

Great news, Vshojo doesnt have to worry about any future drama having a lolcow named Kat as an orbiter anymore.

If Henya, Mouse or Michi leave next it's really over
The Vshojo business model is barely profitable now

>>101658378
You can't balance the risk without owning the IP or authority to control content and collabs. That is why vtubing has 2 polar opposites right now, Mythic with 0 group content, and Holo-Niji with full corpo ownership and all group content.
VShojo existing in the middle is a kind of miracle that required everyone to do what they should be doing without contracts to force them into it. Unfortunately as you have seen, talent freedom means that members can reject doing unity content, it also means that they can bring non-members close to boost their viewership without signing a contract.
VShojo is something that can benefit everyone if it works the way it should, but members are far too shortsighted to put their individual gains ahead of any group building. It might work for a while, but eventually there's going to be members who would abuse it and break the model.
Unironically, every member would be worse off on their own if VShojo implodes. Everyone would lose viewership and face stronger competition from other indies because guess what, 1+1 individually will always be 2 without a group branding, it can never be 2.5 or 3. VShojo was that 1+1=2.5 anomaly, now that it has been broken you would never have something similar again..

>>101658715
i like that blacked sloppa of her on /vcuck/

>>101658720
off topic

>>101658663
>>101658572
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1UtRnGn5hc

>>101658720
Disrespectful immigrant bastard

>>101658706
she's kind of winging it, she did say she's figuring things out on the way

I don't vibe with this reality

>ama is new enough to be stable, for now
>froot is AWOL
>haruka streams once a month (if we are lucky)
>henya is on grefing hiatus
>hime had a bit of a spark and then went back into doing one stream a month
>kuro is fine I guess, turns out the most stable girl is the guy
>mel is also fine, but this will mess with her non-CB streams for a bit
>michi is back, but her health is always weak as paper
>mouse is still this corpo's powerhouse, whenever she leaves, vshojo would be officially dead
>kson is doing fine, but she's become more of a fleshie and less of a chuuba
>nova is doing fine because they are living in their own happy bubble
We are in levels of "so over" never seen before, not even on the first chuuba exodus.

>>101658754
you will never be japanese

>>101658720
Mousey's husbands are always on topic

>>101658720
worst thing to ever happen to mouse and vshojo

>>101658709
kys phasenog

>>101658747
cute

>>101658759
I feel like that's a mistake.

>>101658720
isn't Japan in a rice crisis right now?

>>101658660
Can the Phase members leave with their models if they want?
Pippa def can retain her audience but would hate if she had to make a new model

>>101658773
>kuro is fine I guess, turns out the most stable girl is the guy
he is dying, cancelled all streams next week

new member announcement
https://www.youtube.com/live/pYVEIX7nSEs

>>101658706
Every member is just winging it, Vshojo doesn't have any plans for any of them, that's why everyone is leaving

>>101658747
Meicha has and unironically will be my favorite plus just by a unity standpoint alone.

>>101658593
LMAOOOOOOOOOOO IMAGINE "NOT MAKING IT"????????

POOR ASS MOTHERFUCKERS UST GET RICH, IDIOT

>>101658777
He will never fuck you

>>101658800
They haven't recovered since the poor rice harvest of 2023.

>>101658810
She would rather kill herself

>>101658806
Well, that makes two IDs with papersheet-tier health.

How's Zen's podcast doing? Her youtube exclusive content in general?

>>101658826
>>101658786
>>101658747
don't care he's not a plus and that's a man

>>101658801
No

Zen was never there

>>101658735
>Unironically, every member would be worse off on their own if VShojo implodes
uh aren't all the members who left doing fine?

SSSSLLLLUUUURRRPPP

>>101658773
>>nova is doing fine because they are living in their own happy bubble
>kuro
He can't leave becuse his low viewer count will plummet even more
Male vtubers have it tough, he has the personality but not the right gender

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Si1nhr8UDXY
Zen will never be there again for Henya

>>101658720

>>101658660
Phase are unironically the #2 vtuber agency now
I'm mad as fuck we lost

>>101658877
Yes, don't listen to retarded Vshojofags.

>>101658773
the only Vshojo members that matter quitting is Ironmouse, Zen, Henya and Michi and of course recently just now the 2nd biggest Vshojo member quit.
>Hime and Haruka barely stream.
>Mel, Kson and Amalee's content is only good if you want to go fall asleep. Only saving grace for Mel and Kson is coombaiting that gives them bigger number's than their regular streams.
>Froot and Geega have a Apex/GTA slop addiction. Geega just recently quit, Froot fucked off for 6 months not telling anyone she was going to be gone, then pumping and then dumping a pissed off tranny.
>Kurowho?

>>101658860
Doctor vtuber to vshojo

>>101658870
Go ahead and edit Haruka out too while you're at it, get ahead of the ball

>>101658865
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1UtRnGn5hc

>>101658908
She ain't leaving you have my word

>>101658720
aethel, soda, and connor KILLED vshojo

>>101658905
you're trying to hard

>>101658773
>>101658905
kys phaseniglets

>>101658916
that doesn't make him a plus retard.

>>101658898
I bet his inbox is still fucked

>>101658841
"Hello everyone"
"a"
"I will join vshojo"
"stabs stomach with katana"

>>101658801
In the first interview he did with Urara, Sakana said that the contracts have a buy-out clause. Invaders also work on a different system.

>announce she's leaving after milking vshojo viewers for a whole month
kinda shitty but whatever, i didn't watch much zen recently because of the 2view collab spam

So what's the reasons Zen gave as to why she's leaving? Apart from the obvious one they will never say (money)

Help

In other news, more Melly porn

https://files.catbox.moe/pua52j.mp4

>>101658927
Unironically this

>>101658905
This is completely true but coping mousecucks will seethe at this

>>101658877
>>101658735
>Unironically, every member would be worse off on their own if VShojo implodes.
I sort of agree, but at the same time, it really depends on your definition of fine.
Silver has been doing pretty good for herself, Nyan while down in CCV had an interesting run of streams, moved out and settled down more, and also had merch fully at her taste. Vei and Nazuna are goners but they have their own reasoning, I think Vei would have been fine if she streamed more but she doesn't want to.

Now, for the most recent ones, I think Matara has only been affected because she wasn't expected to be fired. But considering her nature, a year from now she will be fine. GEEGA already did fine on her own. And we don't have to talk about Zen. This also applies to the current members too.
Viewership is not just the metric you should examine, but satisfaction and retribution*payment. Basically
>10k viewers means nothing if a chunk of them stay for sponsors and buy merch compared to 1000 viewers who click the links and fully stock out.

mei is the most hated plus for a reason we all hate him reply to this post if you agree.

>>101658976
So why did the Fish steal the IP of Yuri or whatever her name was

>>101658976
>101658976
Interesting, i wonder how much $ it is

>>101658985
Finding her own path, and seeking other opportunities.

>>101658985
All she said was "seeking new opportunities," so money

>>101658985
new path to take blah blah explore more options blah blah
essentially, lot of words that didn't say anything

>>101658985
Nothing, just she needs to try new things I guess.
There are more reasons for sure but she stayed professional

>>101658709
kson has never traveled first class

>>101658877
>mouse, mel, haruka, ama were fine before vshojo, it just let them grow more
>froot is still AWOL, but should be able to stand by herself
>hime was doing fine even before vtubers were a thing
>the IDs have their own circle of friends already
>the novas already had their lift off and they are doing fine, by twitch JP standards
>kson is a recurring yakuza npc/side character and has shown she can survive on her own
>henya might need handholding, but she has legit friends and not just clout chasers, so she's in good company to move ln her own, also an established and loyal fanbase
What the fuck was that retard talking about?

>>101659011
Where are you going to endlessly post about mei when zen is gone then?

>>101658985
There was a massive underlying 'im sick of mousecucks whoring it up with fleshies' in her whole message

>>101659035
yes she did (my penis is first class)

>>101659014
Who knows? She probably sold it to get the new model early, then went and got herself terminated.

>>101658985
gonna stream on kick and produce youtube original content
and maybe podcast
and workout intros will return

See you guys ina couple of days, I need to go outside and idk, get drunk or something

>>101659049
I've won. Lig hates him (my doing) nobody talks about him anymore. I'm doing a victory lap.

>>101659076
I don't really trust words alone, sorry.

>>101658877
Fine? Sure, as big as they used to? Nope.
This anon >>101658903 is the real retard here and you can see why he's trying to shut it down.
>Nyan used to be 8k+, is now 1-2k.
>Mata used to average 2.7k 6 months before leaving, 2.4k the month she was leaving, and she's averaging 1.5k now.
>Geega, you'll have to wait and see, but she's trending downward 2 days after leaving. Is around 1.4k now.
>BUT BUT # MONKEY
You can't prove anything without data. It's necessary to show that a "united we stand" group effect is real.

>>101659100
lmao zen will still stream dude

>>101659100
Laters loser, hope the door hits you on the way out like your quitting whore

>>101658985
Disagreements with management

>>101659107
Does lig talk about anyone anymore? Last time I went in their its literal who's and Phase

>>101659107
Ok then what?

I now unironically believe Mata was terminated because Vshojo figured out she was trying to get others to join her outside of vshojo.

>>101659120
>ignoring Silver who's releasing more merch than ever while she's with Gamersupps
I know she doesn't fit your narrative but come on

>>101659010
>I think Vei would have been fine
What is this cope? Vei is more than fine currently. She has fuck you money.

Vei has a better life than literally anyone in this fucking org in or out. Also unlike that faggot Froot, Vei not streaming is a matter of choice not consequence. She can be seen playing in her boyfriend's channel with him anyway.

>>101658985
>seeking new opportunities
is the merch issue really the reason vei, mata, geega, and zen are gone now?
if so thats crazy

>>101658976
The buy out is usually real costly. The Zen sponsored micro corpo vtuber's IP cost $10k, and she's barely a 3 view.

>>101659147
I didn't think that far

>>101659148
So much for talent freedom

New Zen podcast!

>>101659161
On her own, anon.
If I had too had a significant other with money, I would still be not fine on my own

>>101659148
Communists are always the most greedy

>>101659161
>Also unlike that faggot Froot, Vei not streaming is a matter of choice not consequence
They're both not streaming out of choice

>>101659159
Even with the Sinder dramabuff Silver is still smaller than she was in Vshojo and before that her decline was visible, albeit not quite as strong as the other two.

>>101659148
I have been preaching this for months. The greed of this girl messed the whole group up. FUCK MATARAKAN

>>101659141
Barely anyone on this godforsaken board actually talks about vtubers for real. It's mostly drama tourists, #monkeys, and random shit-stirrers nowadays.

>>101659159
That fat menhera cow doesn't fit anything

>>101659232
hot

>>101659148
Nah, my rrat is that it was probably merch related, that's why p0shie """left"""
She found out merch was moving so slowly that she tried to do it on her own, pissed off backpack man, and then everything else happened.

>>101659167
Also from what i understand, agencies/corps like mythic pay their talents a big $ annually

Vshojo lost
Iron lung lost
Vshojo antis won

>>101659245
Geega said it wasn't merch.

>>101659251
They don't.

Phase Connect WON
Hololive WON
Indies WON
Small corpos WON
Vshojo LOST

>>101659251
That or full indie, now that they are /big/, gives a better profit when do their own managememt instead of relying on a middleman (vshojo)

>>101659205
>Vei last stream June 12
>Froot last stream November 2024
Don't lump Vei in with your anemic goth reject. Froot isn't streaming because of her debilitating mental illness as if she isn't already a walking red flag, while Vei just streams whenever and whatever she wants.

>>101659148
>still blaming matara
>all while vshojo after 4 months of knowing she was let go hasn't send her any of the merch for her to sale on her own
Yeah, sure
VShojo is so comptent

>Vtuber agency founded by Twitch Exec
>Everyone keeps leaving because of a shitty contract where corpratate do fuck all to help anyone

Oh no! Who could have seen this coming???

>>101659260
BAAAAAASED
Can I get a KEKAROO?

>>101659245
He means join her with distributing merch outside of Vshojo. Remember Mata was fired, she didn't want to leave, you can't convince someone to join you if you rae not going anywhere

>>101659195
Tabs

>>101659159
>ignoring Silver
You forgot to mention that Silver hardly collabed with people, so her content were mostly solo before and after leaving.
>who's releasing more merch than ever
There's nothing stopping you from spamming merch, it's a matter of choice. Zen has an insane number of merch drops while she was /in/ too, meanwhile Henya only does them during birthday or new outfits.

>>101659342
/in/ until July 11th

>>101659300
I remember some vtuber say that when they first signed with Mythic at the begining, but it was a few years ago so i might be imaging it

Slit your wrists vertically raiders

>>101659304
Holo live lost most of their biggest and best talents. Im not sure they won.

Phase fags just commited terrorism

Indies- includes vtweeters so by definition not winning

Small corpos- Irrelevant.

So I just a saw a rumor that Vshojo might be getting bought out by Brave Group. Any Rrats about this? Based on what we're seeing, I can definitely see this being true.

>>101659384
>>101655893

>>101659314
I didn't blame her before, but if you look at the bigger picture it makes perfect sense why Vshojo would terminate her, which is something they have hardly any reason to for anything else.

>>101659384
mouse is negotiating to sell off vshojo as we speak

>>101659251
They don't, they used to pay a huge fee for poaching until they stopped. The shitter tectone talked about it on his stream, said that the vtubing market is crashing after pandemic and they are just signing them like normal talents now.

>>101658606
the squatters ruined this thread

>>101659380
Vshojo cuck seethe
Stay coping eternally lmao

rumors are Mouse gonna leave Vshojo and get every former member to create a new org

>>101659371
You lost mousecuck KEKAROO

>>101659263
Well unless she can say what it actually was, I don't see a reason to believe her when the circumstances say otherwise.

>>101659384
I believe it's kadokawa / Geex+ who is buying Vshojo

>>101659356
And plus after that

Mouse ruined Vshojo
Change my mind

>>101658829
cute Vei

>>101658829
>>101659482
Who?

>>101659461
I already gave you an explanation that makes perfect sense.

Fucking Matara

>>101659384
Where did you see this?

Rumors are emerging that mel will fly to my state and suck me dry until I resemble a California raisin

This is extremely satisfying to watch how it all goes down.

This couldn't have happened to a more deserving group of people, and I hate each and every single one of you.
The only thing that would cap this all off is if that bedridden waste of human skin actually manages to fuck off into the ethereal plane, and I can spit in its general direction when it happens.

>>101659481
Mouse outgrew VShojo.
The whole fucking organisation exists to cope with Mel's crippling ADHD at this point.

>>101659304
>stagnated corpo, if pippa, tenma, lumi or lia leave it's over.
>another corpo bleeding talents
>backstabbers backstabbing backstabbers or eternal 2views
>Thank you for supporting /smallcorpo/, we are now getting bought by brave, talents are fired, sorry lmao
We are living a weird age where shit is changing fast, it's gonna be a fun ride. Just hang on your oshi and watch everything else burn.

>>101659505
She won
Seethe lol

>>101659513

>Forces management to do en auditions again even though they were a disaster the first time.
>Leaves

Geegoids, where are you going next? /lig/?
I might leave /vt/ altogether before going back.

>>101659457
How did she lose? Shes like the sole talent in Vshojo now. Its Mouseshojo

>>101659513
No falseflagging

>>101659505
Matara kana WON
Vshojo LOST
Vshojo cucks LOST
Mouse cucks LOST

>geega and mata immediately quote tweeting zen's departure
they've been poisoning her mind

>>101659310
Yeah, you're a massive retard. Hope that you grow up one day and stop being a Trump voter in the future.

>>101659161
>vei has a better life
>mail order bride
ok anon

>>101659543
Leaving /vt/ would be wisest choice. This fucking this is just 2D gawker

>>101659245
This is realistically what happened.

Only thing GunRun can do is go full corpo and stop talent freedom.
New members won't be able to keep their models until they serve a minimum of 4 or 5 years.
The current members will keep their talent freedom.
It's the only way Gunrun listen to me

>>101659540
They probably got told to do it right this time, and when that clearly wasn't happening, that was the last straw.

>>101659543
fansly

One grifting whore down
Nobody cares
Mouse still wins

>>101659513
how the fuck can someone become as subhuman as you are? you legit sound like a soon to be serial killer

>>101659540
>Forces management to do en auditions again even though they were a disaster the first time.
>does a subathon just before leaving to milk vshojofags one last time
>Leaves

>>101659618
>>101659562

>>101659592
That would need gunrun to do more than one hour of work a month.

not gonna lie, after her divegrass performance last season I am glad she is /out/
hopefully moose is next on chopping block

>>101659617
God I wish Geega did lewd stuff

>mouse now the face of vshojo

>>101659167
I'd believe it. Remember, Zen had been weighing her options for leaving Vshojo since Silver, Nyan and Vei left. And it wasn't until after that shitshow that Vshojo actually started giving Zen some outward support (a mark up from the "nothing" she was getting before then). I don't know how much of it is because of Mouse, probably none of it, but Vshojo has had a problem of being "The Ironmouse Show" for a very long time, and everyone else in the agency gets screwed over because of it.

>>101659649
only idiots donate to subathons

>>101659674
Nah. That's Michi.

>>101659674
Always has been, zencucks SEETHING and pretending anyone cares about their talentless tts leaving is cringe

>>101659584
>Pink alcoholic space creature
>Grey haired queen
>Big tits 3d streamer
Wait a minute...

>>101659648
"People" outside of this general are legit animals pretending to be human

>>101659543
/big/

>>101659592
in gunrun's shoes, I'd instead sell the company for a penny and be fine with it

>>101659730
that's offensive to actual animals

Lets go back to basics
Let's get a bunch of 2 and 3 views
We can make it better
We can make it work

Watching mata tbqh

>>101659724
and the formers left 3 years ago
So every 3 years we lose 3 members while gaining some

>>101659724
THE BIGGEST LOOP OF THEM ALL

>>101659649
those vshojofags deserve to be separated from their money for giving it for a worse subathon than matas #ad athon and mouses sleep aid athon

Swarmcel here, Zen should join the Neuroverse, we have some spots open now that Anny and Toma left, and honestly Vedal could use someone like Zen she seems pretty good at networking and he is notoriously shit at it. And unironically he needs more male friends and less crazy women

Mouse only cares about Connor so everything else crumbles, she barely even cares about her chat anymore, she changed for him while spitting in the faces of long time fans.

>>101659213
We told ya but you rather joined the namecalling of the shitposters.

>>101659767
Same, kinda bored of vshoslop now it's crumbling

>>101659771
2 years

>>101659767
I'll rub one to the new outfit tomorrow morning, I'm in a bad mood atm

lore my beloved

>>101659798
>less crazy women
I know you're baiting but have you kept up?
Zen is a crazy woman, she's threatened to leave once or twice every year.

>>101659212
I also like to make shit up to cope.

>>101659802
I remember as far back as winter of 2023 mouse's chat was almost entirely foreign children, various teenagers, and the occasional regular drowned out by the din
Unless things have changed bigly, I wouldn't give a shit about them either. the people that dono are NOT the people that actually watch her shit

why are momo's like this?

>>101659513
We don't know each other

so can vshojo still attract new talent or

>>101659798
Man theres a reason we call her Zenhera

>>101659897
lol
lmao

>>101659802
Wrong she only cares about bbinos now

>>101659592
The mistake that they made is not investing heavily into building out their sponsorship business.
VShojo should have started an alternate business that specializes in handling marketing and sponsorship for everyone, then use the scale and benefit of that networking to get the best sponsors for talents signed under the VShojo brand.
Instead, they invested into fun stuff and group content WITHOUT having the safety mechanism of IP ownership. They did merch, but merch was easily replicated and they weren't the best in the business.

Michi next.

>>101659798
>less crazy women
move along, trust

fully human Matara! lets gooo

>>101659897
Not after Zen leaving

>>101659912
I hope she can hire maiko as her personal manager when leaving

>trusting a roach

bad drawn feet, it's not for me

>>101659540
nothing came out of that after a year im pretty thats why shes leaving no?

>>101659912
Michi will leave when Maiko leaves, let's be fully honest here

who the fuck is Nova that you keep talking about?

>>101659232
but enough about sinder

It was me
Evil mono

>>101659991
>Michi will die when Maiko leaves
ftfy

>>101659878
2022 is when something happened and Mouse made decision to change, ruining her streams ever since.
Back then she was more caring about chat a little flirty sometime, she was still open about her degeneracy and was fine with nsfw art and even merch.

>>101659999
it's the jp branch name

oh no the stream broke

>>101659999
Nice quads, please remember to buy some merch. Corpo might implode at any moment, so their value might rise anytime.

>>101660018
you think that's the fate of every successful streamer? eventually you burn out and just turn into a reactslop channel no matter what? much to ponder

>posts slowing down only 2/3 threads in
huh, that was much faster than expected

>>101660070
No this is something very specific to twitch culture loving dumarses.

raiders OOOOOOUUUUUUUUTTTTTTTTTTTTTT

>>101659897
>talents leaving
>Mythic exists
I don’t think so

>>101660018
yeah, she started lusting over Connor

>>101660101
they're not gonna rejoin hololive bro

>>101660018
She's unironically always been the problem. Vshojo will die so long as she's there

Is mouse really that bad?

>>101660136
Even Niji can still attract talents you retard.

>>101660137
More like they officially started dating and he was not comfortable with her being so open and sexual with her chat, so he gave her an ultimatum to stop or they can't date.

>>101660165
who knows

>>101660145
I'd only care fore the foxtwink. People who degrade into reactslop just have no love for videogames and only ever did that bit of videogame streaming because it was hip and made money.

>>101660136
>Mythic exists
When was the last time anyone joined Mythic?

>>101660165
She gave everything for this

>>101660165
great if you want background noise/are high, trash if you want to meaningfully interact with a streamer and their community
on the other hand, it's not hard to stand out in chat with the average chatter being both ESL and stupid

>>101660190
Eww

>>101660209
Fairly recently, actually. Think it was Laimu?

>>101660219
And this

>>101660207
>who

>>101660208
>People who degrade into reactslop just have no love for videogames and only ever did that bit of videogame streaming because it was hip and made money.
that's the story of Twitch creating the Just Chatting section

>>101660209
fairly recently actually

>>101660165
as time goes on and as more things happen shes continuously on the wrong side

>>101659897
Not even a little bit. If it wasn't happening before, the talents that auditioned are counting their blessings that they were rejected, or looking for ways out of the contract they signed.

are these raiding apes at least getting paid by the corpos they shill?

>>101660241
look man I don't like Hasan either, but assuming you aren't some culturewarrior I'd say bbno$ is more egregious. the one at least would make sense as a twitch streamer for viewergrift, the other is straight up just a white guy who thought vtubing was neat

>>101660241
Why do numberchimps and phasecucks act like Mouse collabs frequently with Hasan?

>>101660298
rightoid seethe because their corpo is full of soon-to-be terrorists, ignore them

>>101660298
The rat chose her side.

>>101660296
>>101660298
notice how they don't post Asmon or Tectone
it's obviously clear this is politically motivated

>>101660289
yes. do you not get paid by vshojo?

>>101660379
Vshojo doesn't have the funds to do so.

>>101660242
>schizo still seething
kek

>>101660379
Gunrun is fucking broke unlike yagoo, sakana and vedal

>>101660298
actually collabed with people that hasan

>>101660473
Learn english.

Matara showed feet and her stream broke

>>101660379
all the money went to Kson for her trips, so we do it for free

>>101660473
*that hate hasan

Seeing things progress in the past few years makes me glad I never got started on the Vshojo fighting game project I was planning

>>101660298
Their ratgod, assmadgald, hates hasan and sends his harassment troupes over.

My fanfic is ruined

>>101660018
I miss lewd Mouse

>>101660516
kill yourself monkey

>>101660552
looks like I hit the sore spot
sorry for Kson screwing over Vshojo

>>101660523
>not making a Vshojo+ fighting game

Zen just gave Heavenly permission to say nigga when she leaves
Talent freedom my ass...

God this thread is going to be more schizos than actual fans with everyone leaving

I still think its strange Mouse is doing more sponsors and getting less models.
Like she's saving money or preparing for something.

>>101660509
lol lmao

ZEN IS LEAVING VSHOJO SO HEAVENLY CAN SAY THE N WORD

>>101660341
Even Silver doesn't collab with Tectone anymore, and she was pretty tight with him for a minute. Ever since Fream split up with him, she's basically unpersoned the egg. That said, there is zero overlap between Tectone fans and Silver's fans, so nobody misses him.

>>101660530
but what him hating hasan have anything to do with mouse?

>>101660543
We could have had a different timeline if she was able to stream on cb.

Sucks to be a new vshojo doesn’t it

>>101660604
Why would he need her permission? Thought she was Mexican

What company would want to collab woth Vshojo now?

>>101660642
I love Peke and Nova so it's pretty good still.

>>101660660
He just didnt wanna say it cause it'd make Vshojo look bad, I guess

>/vsj+/
>e-celeb vs e-celeb
Can you migrate to /trash/ already

>>101660642
Why would you follow a company and not the streamer themselves? I’m confused

>>101660628
Let's be real. He has no overlap with any Vtuber anymore beside the ones fighting the culture war.

He shilled his connections with the Vtuber scene to join OTK and now he is a scapegoat

>>101660665
flesh streamers

>>101660620
she drained as much money as she could

>>101660678
I don't want to hear it from the OTKitty.

Do you think everyone is leaving because management won't let them
>Install Fightcade?

Already Zen is hanging out with Limes and Geega, everything is so different now...

>>101660690
Still don’t get how he still big after he stop doing genshin stuff

>>101660727
to be fair, That was Aethel's doing, pink cat just went along

>>101660740
And just like that Limes is no longer a vshojo orbiter

>>101660753
he orbits asmon and is also a culture war fag now

Never trust a hag

>>101660753
He has basically become Asmon's waiting room. He pivoted his content to right-wing, red-pill rage bait. If you ask his chat, nobody will know that this dude has spent a fortune in Gatcha and was married to a vtuber

>>101660678
We already have like 4 vtuber threads on /trash/, half of them being blacked variety out of the like 9 officially blacked related generals.

>>101660601
I'm not wasting my time coding for sub-liggers

>>101659897
There were so many easy pickups last year/early this year of ex-corpas who brought audiences with them. Now they're all acclimated to indie life and no longer need help.

>>101660689
Where did I say that? I’m just saying they’re seeing old members leave

>One member gets pissed at the corpo being useless
>Leaves
>2 more follow due to their bottled feelings
>Zen thinks of leaving, but awaits since there was good news on the horizon (Henya) and believes in the corpo
>2 years pass
>One member gets pissed at the corpo for being usless
>Gets fired
>One leaves due to their bottled feelings
>Zen actually leaves
This tells me two things, one, you would think they will learn. And two, there's no good news in the horizon lol

>>101660690
Yeah, seeing him stream with Nux was the definitive "its over" moment as far as him streaming with literally any Vtuber he'd previously associated with. Especially Nyan and Aethel.

>>101660790
But anon, Asmon owns Mythic, if he's orbiting him he's orbiting VTubers

>>101660933
Nyan should bury the hatchet with Nux. He didn't do anything wrong, and even if he did, Vshojo clearly deserves it at this point.

>>101660933
Nux streams with Filian, Phase, Chibidoki, Fefe, and Bao.

I feel numb at this point. It wouldn't hit as hard if the fanbases didn't leave too

>>101660924
Surely Mythic will get Silver her nendo.

>>101660924
>>One leaves due to their bottled feelings
>Geega
don't be a retard

>>101661012
Of course the Geckos would leave, you idiot, why would they stick around?

>>101660984
>bury the hatchet with the israeli pedolord
anon if she wanted to do that she never would've reneged on what got her big in the first place

All because the they never knew how to use the calendar.

>>101661024
She literally said she was already thinking of leaving, I don't think is far for the truth to think Matara being fired didn't sit well with GEEGA.

>>101661048
Because I still like some vshojo members, duh

>>101661075
business reasons is not bottled up feelings ala Silver

I think what needs to be said here is that it's become increasingly easier over the last few years to be an indie Vtuber. It's not 2020 anymore when this shit was kind of new. Nowadays, especially if you're established and don't mind the extra workload, it really doesn't make sense to stay with a company. You're just sharing your profits with a third party, and, again, if you're willing to do the extra work yourself, why bother?

>>101661091
If you're just a gecko, there's no reason to be here. If you're watching other members, you're not just a gecko.

*will singlehandedly save vshojo*

>>101661117
Vshojo was doomed from the start.

>>101661011
Does he? Or does he just put out videos claiming that he's streaming with them when he's actually just reacting to the reactions?

Look on the bright side guys, no more Zen nepo hires!

>>101661172
On stream

>>101661188
Haruka is still in

>>101661117
indies realized that vtubers pretty much are just streamers with models, so why the fuck would they need companies when regular streamers don't?

Just learned the news. End of an era on the same scale as Vei/Silver/Nyan leaving. But I don't think that means a collapse of the org. Vshojo still has a few very big talents. Can't say about its condition in the future tho.
Although the news didn't really surprise me that much since Geega accidentally spoiled it during her announcement stream when she was doing AMA right after Zen said she had her announcement on Friday >>101624625

>>101661188
No more Zen +s, no more Zen TTS disrupting the flow of conversation during a collab and no more Zenhera episodes where she has to respond to vtweeters. I will miss her but i wont miss those things.

>>101661162
More like VShojo doomed itself.
Their proposal worked back then because corpos were mainly just things like Hololive or Nijisanji. Indies were at the door of them. It's one of the reasons "talent freedom" became their slogan. More people stopped believing in the golden ticket and believed that maybe VShojo was the way to go, companies akin to them took over, and the VShojo proposal wasn't enough anymore.

>>101658447 (OP)
NGE overrated

>>101661241
Holos being the thing that introduced western normalfags to vtubing did a lot of damage. We are still in the process of untangling all the idolshit culture from it.

>>101659107
Just to spite you I'm gonna bring them up in lig and here. Suck mies trans cock bitch

>>101661363
"Idolshit" is the cornerstone of vtubing and will remain the standard. You don't get to take the culture and twist it into some ethottery shit just because you think that's what people want.

>>101661117
You join in order to expand your brand and attract new viewers so in the long run create more profit opportunities. The problem is that there is no reason for any established indie to join anymore. It's not 2021 anymore where it was Vshojo and the rest. Now almost every big Indie vtuber has already many connections and doesn't need to join an org to get recognition.

It worked for the recently graduated talents that had to start from zero and were given a big audience to jump start their career. It will not work for someone that is already making it on their own

Not doing this for (you)s but is Brave buying out Vshojo?

>>101661468
Nah. Using anything other than your real cam face is the cornerstone of vtubing. It's a slight evolution of the mic only streamer.

>>101661241
this >>101661363 desu
>>101661468
yeah ok buddy. your walled garden is that way, and they have the premium product for what you say you want. the rest of us are gonna watch what we're gonna watch unless you decide you can copyright "anime woman that talks to me"

>>101661474
>there is no reason for any established indie to join
explain amelee

is mata's new model just a woman?

>>101661506
kys simon

>>101661523
>explain amalee
she's kinda dumb and very lazy. next question

>>101661363
That idolshit is literally making bank still for them, none can replicate it because it did really was a golden strike, and everyone got the gold rush to follow.

>>101661506
No chance. Mouse would instantly leave if that was the case and they can't afford that to happen.

>>101661523
she's a phat ass white girl

>>101661506

>>101661506
I mean they can try but what would it give them? Vshojo doesn't own the talents IP. If anything this would be somewhat of a boon if Vshojo can use their 3D tech.

Why?

>>101661506
>buying a company that doesn't own anything
Is Brave retarded?

>>101661597
because

>>101661560
companies and brands are good for idol content
doing nothing more than react and gaming streams though? companies ain't it

>>101661561
God I hope she would, but I fear she is too much of a pussy to go out on her own again.

>>101661589
3D tech doesn't benefit MouseShojo

>>101661316
and i wont miss your whiny bitching about every little thing under the sun.

why did people glaze meicha so much

This is it. This is the great reset I was hoping for.

>>101661615
>Is Brave retarded?
What do you think?

>>101661646
Actually it does and she already worked with them.

>>101661649
>did
Do. Good in collabs, fun yaps.

>>101661649
Oh I would totally glaze meicha, if you know what I mean

Mei is now a Peke plus. How the tables have turned.

>>101661649
Kill yourself draco

>>101661641
Mouse needs to trust people it is the only way Gun got her to join in the first place. Them being bought out would be an instant red flag for her.

Fire panini

We need a new ceo don't we?

so laimu was the one who killed vshojo...

>>101661523
Amalee is not a new hire though. She was supposed to debut even before Geega. She has some connections but streaming and Vtubing seems to be a 2nd gig for her, She is clueless about many aspects of Vtubing, I am pretty sure if you ask her basic Vshojo lore she has no idea.

Vshojo was the perfect place for her, providing branding and management for someone who is not that interested or too lazy to do it on their own. My personal opinion is she was not a good hire though, basically nobody guessing it was her during the reveal and nobody gave a fuck was a big tell

>>101661706
It should be and I hope she would leave but Mouse 's scared of rocking the boat or making big decisions like that.

>>101661737
Vshojo needs new business model first

>>101661615
Actually yes. They are.

>>101661680
Did as I'm he won't be around anymore.
>>101661682
Gross
>>101661688
Nope
>>101661701
Nope

>>101661560
if none can replicate it, why should anyone try? take what *does* work routinely, the anime women, and leave what doesn't, the singing and dancing. you said it yourself anon, it was a golden strike. that's theirs, and vtubing belongs to everyone else

Dam auditions killed vshojo

>>101661788

>>101661506
Hang yourself dramanigger

>>101661737
yeah, me

>>101661506
>he's on TVA

>>101661523
You keep saying this but both Grimmi and Deme applied. Who were at the time the 2 of the biggest indies not signed to anything.

>>101661819
Thank you Zen for pushing for them.

Can we stop pretending Zen is a woman now or are we waiting until the 11th?

So Unity has died?

>dramacord raid
what a grim hobby

>>101661808
The singing and dancing isn't the thing I'm focus on, it's selling their brand as a group

You all need to look at the bright side.
If Vshojo collapses, the NDA's will cease to hold the members from talking about what was going on behind the scenes. And they 100% will, since you know how streamers love to make content like that. So at least we will finally learn what the fuck was going on there.

>>101661874
>we
phasecuck thinks he is on the team

>>101661874
kill yourself dramafag

https://x.com/NyanNyanners/status/1938660957892329817
Hide your fucking fangs nyanners.

This is one black friday if I've seen one.
But it ain't over, not by a long shot.

>>101661878
Unreal engine was always better than Unity

>>101661755
Mouse was basically a 2023 leaver without the leaving part. She has been all about Connor since 2022.

>>101661966
henya is /out/

>>101661925
>>101661943
11th it is

>>101661987
Henya literally said she has no plans of leaving.

>>101662001
Yeah enjoy your dead thread faggot

>>101661987
First she would need to get a manager/husband (me)

>>101661978
Yeah, she's waiting on the day the gfuel collab ends so she can grab GS again and probably make some shitty two way cup with her and Bubi, and promote it with him.

Is this what Kuro meant when he said there will be big news one after the another lmao

>>101662020
Don't pretend you're going to leave

>>101659352
they wouldnt be releasing merch for the cozy wolf if they werent selling fast

>>101661105
"Bottled up feelings" is a funny way to refer to Vshojo fucking Silver over for two years. I still think Harry Potter was a worthless hill for Silver to die on, but let's not pretend Vshojo hadn't thrown her under the bus time and again.

>>101661615
Sounds like a nice payday if the company's already falling apart

>>101662014
thats what they all say before they start renegotiating their contract

>>101659543
/BIG/ is a less schizo /vsj+/

>>101662056
That's GS, and she still doesn't have it.

If Ari leeched her way into GeexPlus and ignored joining VShojo, there's a good reason for it

>>101662094
Not really, no.

When you are sad, always remember happy day.

Goodbye Zentreya aka Anthony James and good luck for your future endeavors. Keep bamboozling retards to jerk off to a 30 year old mexican man.

>>101662056
My dude, they just make plastic bottles and slap a sticker onto it. It is not like they are hand sewing designer clothes. That's why every vtuber in the world and their moms have a GS sponsorship

>matara kan of independent
was she about to say of vshojo?

ngl NOVA was a waste of resources. Another terrible business decision.

>>101662153
have you not seen some of the silver merch, the bread box, the pixel coaster, the beach ball and towel.

>>101662142

>>101662190
Like the 2 views zen wanted?

this thread is over so no one will notice me saying I love feet. new thread
>>101662166
>>101662166
>>101662166

>>101662210
and then interacted with once in half a year, yes

>>101662234
that's so heckin AYO! of you to say XDDD! omg cuhrazyyy girl!

>>101662196
I have no clue what you are talking about. Nobody watches Silver

>>101662162
Not watching her. So I don't know.

>>101662196
Considering that a Kool-Aid company has to suddenly source a supply chain for fucking wood to make a fucking breadbox (which is a lot of red tape), I think its fair to say that GS goes above and beyond for Silver. That's way more than they do for a lot of their arguably bigger sponsored talents.

>>101662209
it's an interesting strategy, doxxing someone with photos of 3 clearly different people

>>101662142
Is anyone actually still convinced that it's a girl behind avatar?

>>101661506
>believing anything that comes out of the mouth of the dox site groomer
obligatory

Just woke up and my org is collapsing:(

>>101662142
thats like 3 different people