Thread 101723150

Not gonna lie, that was one of the best rigging for a Vtuber model. She reminded a lot of Laimu and especially Mint, wouldn't surprise me if it's from the same person. Design is meh.

>>101723150 (OP)
Did this need a thread? There's like 8 Saba threads on the catalog, just post this is one of those.

>>101723150 (OP)
It is the same rigger, cillia.
She also worked on Dokibird's rigging.

>>101723150 (OP)
It's a little too much, she looks like one of those hyperactive ticktock dances where the girl wears anime blush makeup

>>101723150 (OP)
Rig is good but the model itself is trash

>>101723150 (OP)
I think it moves around way too much. It's uncanny. More animated fidelity does not equal better, otherwise they'd all go with models that look like Apple facetime animojis or inzoi.

>>101726370
I think it works in her case because it fits her sassy personality.

It's the same over-animated rigging most indies are using.

>>101726799
Nimi is not as over-animated.

>>101723150 (OP)
her eyes are like 25% too low on her head

>>101727238
Clearly she is wearing a wig and she is bald.

Also “Your eyes are too close together”

>>101723150 (OP)
I personally love cillia's rigging.
If you think she's "overly expressive", you'll get used to it.
>>101725990
I thought at first that her model was going to be subpar (I didn't like her in the animations), but her model turned out to be so much better than I hoped for.
>>101727238
This is intentional to look like a very little girl.
Saba is loli-maxxed right now.

>>101723150 (OP)
The rigging movement looks similar to ShyLily
The bounciness and the eyes kinda show it.

>>101723150 (OP)
Any modern rigging surpasses any prevous rigging she was given in HL.

>>101726799
It's the whole trend in (mostly western) vtuber rigging. It's shit and looks stupid, but people are still at the primitive stage of being excited for constant motion. This is also largely to compensate for the fact that they can't actually do proper expressive movement which includes good limb control, especially for the hands.
Another trend is to make the eyes wobble, oscillating between large and small, and coping that it's based on science. Real eyes only adjust in extremely small ways, and in animation they only do it to emphasize something. Amateur vtuber riggers over-emphasize it, again to have constant motion, like distracting a baby with a constantly moving toy. If you notice it then you can't unsee how terrible it looks.
You see it with a lot of riggers, but even more so with western riggers, since they don't have much interest or understanding about animation.

>>101728030
It looks like it's based on Looney Tunes to be honest. Characters there also constantly change along Y-axis. It just looks cheap.

>>101728030
>>101728320
I guess it's apples to oranges. I prefer it more than the more static cutboard rigging for corpo vtubers.

>>101728030
Can't believe Gura was baited into thinking this rigger was any good. That is, if not for the fact that a lot of people are equally retarded and think shit ass rigging is any good just because it moves around a little more than what they're used to seeing

Eheh

>>101723436
Yes and we need 8 more

>>101723768
It's funny how Sinder got turned into an antichrist for trying to hold onto her artist and rigger, meanwhile reality is these people move on to the highest bidder and leave the smaller people in the dirt. Her and her boyfriend-manager literally called them out in the "evidence" even. LOL
One of Cillia's first clients for example was Lucy, who she quickly dropped along the other smaller ones she worked with after leeching off of them enough to get the attention of the biggest indies.
Lucy had to move on to another artist to get models and rigs, and now she's literally stuck with her current models because even the new artist ditched her for the top of the top and nobody is available because all of them are working on Sinder level projects of the clique with top pay.
Sinder got cancelled by the "top" because the top is functioning on a steal every artist via bidding wars for their several years ahead schedules of projects and anyone being protective of their artists is directly in competition with that top 0.1%'s monopoly.
Lucy is not the only one, the entire indie scene is in this situation.

>>101723150 (OP)
Her rigging looks way better than anything coming out of holoslop

>>101723150 (OP)
It's good rigging but let's not get ahead of ourselves here.
Saba has barely had it and hasn't had the chance to properly tune it or practice with it. Give it a few months before praising it imo.

>>101728676
If Sinder really wanted to have nano be her exclusive artist, all she had to do was pay enough to cover an exclusivity contract.
It's... really that simple. Instead she chose to cheap out and try to guilt trip her instead.

>>101729167
Yeah because slamming down a bag of cash would have mind controlled her into signing it, right?

>>101723150 (OP)
It's too animated, but I guess Twitch people who are used to Shylily and also indie people who come from Mint might like it

>>101723150 (OP)
>Design is meh.
gay

>>101728030
It’s the rigging equivalent of 60fps interpolated animation

>>101723150 (OP)
>>101723768
Get those Niji whores out of this Holo thread.

>>101727855
>>101732479
>it looks like Shylily
>>101728320
>it looks like filthy gaijin Western cartoons
He hasn't posted ITT yet but the third culprit is
>8-bit Mario looks bad at 30 fps so the smae is true of vtuber models

You'll start noticing it's the same handful of corpodrones with same talking points trying to explain why South Park-tier animation is actually superior.

>>101733463
But Nijisisters and Holobronies are the ones feeling the need to defend their garbage rigging?

Fairly average for a mid to high end indy model.

>>101734043
What would you consider a top level model?

>>101732255
Well, people are more likely to do agree to do work with exclusivity if you pay them, what you think she should've been paid in exposure and been grateful for it?

itt: "people" being triggered by vbridger

Saba daba do!

>>101725924
It's called forced animation

>>101723150 (OP)
Money sure does talk. Very nice art she bought. I would have preferred a hand drawn doodle and some actual content.

>>101736062
what the fuck is going on, my lord

>>101723150 (OP)
You never seen Shylily before? Saba is an amateur controlling that model and her tail.

>>101736062
we live in a timeline where Japanese animators make loony tunes look cool since the West gave up on it.

>>101723150 (OP)
rigging is cartoony shit, model is fine

>>101726799
>over-animated
Coverdrones when they see rigging that isn’t “the head can turn left and right and blink”

>>101739219
Cover could (and should) go up in flames AND saba's model is excessively wobbly and spastic, its good that it has many expressions but they're all too extreme and snap from one to another with very little middle ground

>>101732255
Yes? That's typically how most of the world works, yeah.

>>101729167
>exclusivity contract
doesn't change the fact that nano was a judas.

yes, sinder paid the 30 silver, but nano was the one that betrayed her "friends".

>>101728676
Yeah, too bad there aren't more artist/riggers. Sounds like a supply problem than an artist problem.
There's also the fact that no one wants to drop thousands of dollars on a new artist they have no clue about, so all the same popular ones get all the work.

>>101723150 (OP)
hololive is cooked

Nimi got it right. Both design and rigging. This is not it.

It's crazy how shit hololive's rigging is

>>101725990
lolified Fuwawa

>>101742516
failing to have same artist do the design hurt badly

>>101723436
yes

>>101723768
>>101723150 (OP)
I remember she used to be extremely good at vocaloid tuning many years ago, I listened to her vocaloid covers before vtubing existed

im wondering if it will settle down when she realizes she doesn't need to overly emote to get any kind of movement out of the model like she obviously used to with how shit the rigging was on the old models.

>>101723150 (OP)
Strong agree. Design is 100% a huge downgrade, ultra generic. I only like the floaties.
Rigging is objectively excellent, but I'll take good design over good rigging every day of the week. It's more about the design IMHO.
I'd take a PNGtuber with cool design over the best rigging in the world on a meh model.

>>101723436
Yes, the model is an entirely different topic.

>>101728030
Animators should study what Arc System Works did with the Guilty Gear game series when they transitioned to 3D and take notes. They purposedly made the models LESS animated to emulate the feeling of 2D. It was a masterclass in animation.
Sometimes less is more.

>>101728030
that's the limitation of 2d rigs, 99% of the effort into making those should be focused on eye and mouth tracking and hair physics
no one reads visual novels because they actually think the cardboard cutouts with swappable faces are supposed to represent motion

>>101723150 (OP)
The rigging is Twitch coded

>>101723768
Personal opinion, but Dokibird's old model looked better than the current "SelenBird" one.
Also, Mint's previous model was better than the current one. Especially the eyes.

>>101727146
Still a design downgrade from her corpo model, none the less.

Rosedoodle's animation is insanely fluid to the point of looking out of place

>>101725990
I really wanted to like it, but I gotta sadly agree. It's fairly generic and an absolute downgrade.
She should have gone the Rushia way and went straight to Nacho asking for a legally distinct but functionally identlcal model.

>>101751907
LOL, that's a pretty good way to put it.

>>101723150 (OP)
any good lewds yet?

>>101752113
>went straight to Nacho
probably didn’t want to deal with using deepl to communicate with nacho

>>101742516
Again, still a big downgrade from her corpo model.

>>101728676
Sinder didn't get turned into an antichrist for trying to hold onto her artist, LOL. You are grossly misrepresenting maybe a very small portion of what she did.
She acted like absolute trash who would gut her own best friend to use their bowels to climb the vtuber ladder.
I don't know her personally so there's maybe more to that story and I generally try to hold judgement on people I don't know personally, but there are too many things coming from too many people there to think she got wrongly badmouthed, sorry.
Hope she seriously changes her ways and apologizes to people properly. I believe in redemption but she gotta really work on herself.

>>101752357
Uh, I wanted to reply that's stupid but then it struck me that it's absolutely in character. You are probably right.

>>101736062
that was sick

>>101736062
Unpopular opinon, I really don't like the new OP animation style. It's too overly done, and the colors are too much in your face. Another example of too much, in my opinon.
The series had highs and lows in terms of animation in the past, but this new art and animation style is meh.
They peaked in Whole Cake island, IMHO.

lol gurrhombus

shylily looking ass rigging

>>101728676
>artist moving onto better paying clients is a bad thing
These are the kind of thoughts you have when you've never worked a job in your life.

>>101751915
Agree on Doki, but Mint's new model is much better. The old model looked like a depressed OL, which she no longer is

>>101728320
>It just looks cheap
https://www.sakugabooru.com/post?tags=looney_tunes

>>101753141
sovl

>>101752348
https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/132118710

>>101723150 (OP)
It's good but the art style is that 20s nu-anime with thin outlines. It's a hard adjustment, looks kind like a Western twitch model, and most of the fanart will be way off-model because of it.

>>101723150 (OP)
you people are just mad about the ears

>>101723150 (OP)
People who like this model I think actually have the minds of children that think more movement is better, this is the same type of rigging done on most twitchwhores that looks like shit. Im convinced the same people who think this rigging is good are people who watch baby sensory videos. Not even a holodrone since I think that what dooby did was better than anything that holo had before but what she did is overdoing it to the point where it makes it bad

>>101723150 (OP)
i love her smug whorish expression. this 27 year old brat needs pregnancy correction asap.

>>101728676
>Keep getting dropped by her riggers
Sounds like a Lucy skill issue, maybe she's a pain in the ass to work with

>>101723436
This is Saba's board, we're just allowed to post in it.

>>101723150 (OP)
I dunno, her model moves like a twitch whore

>>101723436
Uh the biggest vtuber of all time just debuted, you can deal with her popularity?

>>101743246
>wanting nacho slop
>ever

>>101761753
You got baited by >>101728676
He pulled the same thing in /lig/. >>101732393
Cillia still provides model art and rigging to Lucy. She also does art commissions for her.

>>101753346
Can't agree. Not a fan of the ears on the new model and the eyes look much more generic. Still cute, but the previous one looked more expressive. I loved the eyes, they were really cute.

>>101733593
Can't help it if you like trash, anon.

>>101733290
No, no, it's meh. Not gay. Meh.

>>101764409
Retarded opinion is retarded. Gura and Luto are literally some of the most goated designs for a vtuber ever.

>>101768289
>Gura and Luto are literally some of the most goated designs for a vtuber ever.
keep coping chumpedo

>>101723150 (OP)
rigging is literally the same as almost every single fucking twitch whore anon.

>>101723150 (OP)
it is from the same rigger

>>101723150 (OP)
She's hot as fuck

>>101752348
Word from the underground, after reaching far and wide, there has been confirmed 3 to 5 lewd/non-regular lewd art with a dash of

> UUUUOOOAAGGGGH

over on the funny site that has a shell/proxy server in the United states for some undisclosed reason named Aryion.

> anon venture at your own peril and wash your eyes after entering there.

>>101723150 (OP)
it's like a pixar character but 100 more exagerated to the point that it looks ridiculous
and it reminds me of a lot of v-thots

>>101723150 (OP)
Corpo cucks are having culture shocks seeing amazing rigging like this and call "too expressive" lmao
Design is PEAK btw

>>101725990
Dogshit taste detected

>>101736062
>takes low res clip that does not even have the original ratio
You faggots are so dishonest and manipulative

>>101773700
>Corpo cucks
Still trying with this angle, huh?

Imagine complainging about vtuber model being expressive and showing every movement the actual human behind it makes. Its pretty obvious that the faggots who complain about it are brainwashed corpo drones who still cope to this very day by saying their corpos dogshit rigging is "soul" or some bullshit.
>muh forced animation
holy fucking meme brainrot buzzword batman

>>101773754
Yes, faggots who are not used to seeing good rigging are indeed Corpo drones in 19 out of 20 cases.

>>101773754
it's true, the only issue is she doesn't know how to deal with the eyes yet

>>101773815
>Corpo drones in 19 out of 20 cases.
I assume you have proof for all 19 of those cases? Go on.

>>101723436
I counted 17 If you combine Gura posts.

>>101773792
so you are telling me your irises change sizes and you peel your eyes with every word you say?

>>101773866
Anon this is anime, not real life

Rigging is great
Design is kinda good
But the artist's artstyle not so much. I want to see the design tho draw with nacho sensei artstyle.

Rigging is ok, too much movement is a bad thing. The big issue is that its both too busy and not distinct at the same time. Get rid if those hair ties, and for the love of God change that mouth, it looks like shit especially in motion.

>>101723150 (OP)
>best
Try worst
I hate jello models, they're basically the signature of those twitch whores
I'm so disappointed