Thread 101734120

Long story short: Vshojo is barely breaking even, due to poor investment choices via merch providers and general tax issues given they operate out of San Fran. Brave has decided to spare the techbros and buy them out to maintain a greater foothold on the industry, whilst also obtaining a name brand that they can assign to current talent.

Zen leaving isn't due to merch conflicts or percentage cuts, but rather what the future holds. The newest gen planned will be placed into Brave contracts and will not retain the IPs, locking them down to Vshojo. This upset Zen and it's why she has been granted her departure. Meanwhile other talents (such as Ironmouse and Froot) will be given special status to keep them present to ensure a smooth transition. Henya is reported to be most excited at the Brave prospect, given she will be in a featured shorts series with HIMEHINA to help promote the Vshojo takeover.

NGL bringing ama lee will give a sour taste for other members that only get the scraps or the new talents that will be given shitty contracts.

What's your AO3 account?

>>101734120 (OP)
stop reading bait threads this is all nonsense.

>>101734239
Fuck off iron mouse, we already know your company is dying

I see the new angle is to repeat the Brave rrat enough until people believe it's reality.

It's a dumb fucking Rrat but it would be funny having Dr Nova and Vshojo Nova in the same company

>>101734120 (OP)
buy them out no brave group dont own the IP of the vshojoke!

kek!

>>101734120 (OP)
there's a big hole in your rrat: henya is in vshojo jp, and because of perms bs they'd have to be under brave jp

>>101734120 (OP)
If nepohiring is "stupid", then buying corpos is "retarded"

Even from a business perspective, this looks like money laundering because they spent more cash on buying corpos who are already irrelevant instead of promoting their Vspo branch to be half as popular as Nijisanji

Even if they choose to buy VShojo, they could compete with NijiEN but that is a pretty fucking low standard

>>101734120 (OP)
Brave US would be better buying out Brave EU to save Globie from being destroyed from the inside by incompetent Japanese staff desu.
Also buying VShojo won't work out. It will turn into another Idol situation where the talent with sense will immediately quit and go indie and eventually the remaining ones get absorbed into ChromaSHIT

>buy Vshojo
>enforce all your new rules on them
>they all opt out and go indie
>you're left with nothing but a name
Excellent business strategy

>>101734120 (OP)
The person who started this rumor is that Mihawk avatar wearing dox site groomer by the way. Don't believe any of this until it comes from actual trusted sources

if this is true then all the recent escapees are scummy for acting like nothing's going on and that they're just leaving to "le seek le new opportunities" or whatever vaguebabble they said

>>101734791
>Brave US would be better buying out Brave EU to save Globie from being destroyed from the inside by incompetent Japanese staff desu.
I mean that's a branch issue moreso than anything else, no anon? Like VSPO is it's own thing but owned by Brave, right?

>>101735090
The "seeking for opportunities" is a funny non-sense excuse when you mix it with "there is nothing wrong with VShojo"

If there is nothing wrong with Vshojo, then why would you need to get out of that agency, knowing that you will do nothing different as an indie anyway (with IP and channel intact and shit). Also we are talking about VShojo the "talent freedom" agency here, what newer opportunities can there be that makes VShojo a disadvantage for them?

kill yourself mahdeen

>>101734120 (OP)
There a rumour that some of the graduating Indies are going to Vshojo and under the stricter IP rules chose to graduate rather than put it into Vshojo's possession.

>>101734916
No, there are earlier posts about this absolutely baseless fucking rrat on the other dox site. It's some guy with the gyaru okakoro pfp.

>>101735305
at least matara made it clear that there was a "real" reason that she couldn't talk about

>>101735345
Why do it to begin with? VShojo is not offering anything reasonable these days and by all accounts it is Ironmouse's mean girls clique. When you leave VSJ you get unfollowed by Mouse now.

>>101734120 (OP)
what did Kson say about this? shes the only one we can trust

>>101735485
She's not talking about any of the recent departures. Deep down she knows she fucked up going there though.

>>101735453
Right, that's why she still follows Nyanners, Silvervale, Vei, Nazuna, Matara and Geega

>>101735520
kill yourself windy

>>101735521
So why did she unfollow Zen?

>>101735551
The obvious answer is that Zen blocked her. That removes following both ways. Now why THAT happened is a mystery.

THIS IS EVERY TALENT MOVEMENT THAT HAPPENED AFTER THE V4MIRAI CONCERT - where I have it on GOOD authority that this is basically where discussions of a buyout progressed into serious discussions. Extrapolate the progress of their talks using these events:
>4/20/24 - Michi joins
>7/2/24 - Vshojo JP auditions open
>11/14/24 - New Vshojo JPs join
>01/26/25 - Amalee joins
>05/5/25 - Matara leaves
>05/14/25 - MowtenDoo steps down as CMO
>06/27/25 - Geega leaves
>07/11/25 - Zen will leave

>>101735485
>>101735520
https://x.com/ksononair/status/1938851077253931407

>>101735670
>Now why THAT happened is a mystery.
Ironmouse has been ghosting Zen for a good while, to the point that it was actually a recurring topic in vsj in the days leading up to Zen leaving.

The "tame" theory is that Zen has a reputation for collabing with all sorts of unruly scum, while Ironmouse is hyper-ultra-selective about who to associate with. Didn't have the guts to tell Zen to fuck off with the collab invites, so she just ghosted instead.
The spicier theory, since this is not the first time someone has lowkey implied that Ironmouse is a bitch after leaving Vshojo, would be some kind of mean girls drama bullshit. Who knows.

>>101734120 (OP)
Does anyone even know where that 11mils vc money come from? That's a lot, only corpo like brave could spend that much.

>>101734120 (OP)
Everybody worth a damn in vshojo will opt out if it is ever sold I promise you that.
Brave has no idea what they are doing in the EN sphere they are the definition of treading water and bottling trying to fake it until you make it. It has been years and they still have not made it.

>>101736404
>Everybody worth a damn in vshojo will opt out if it is ever sold I promise you that.
Who even is left worth a damn?

>>101736450
Mouse , Amalee , Henya and Michi

>>101734831
Worked for Idol didn't it? At least that's what they told us at the investor meeting.

>>101736478
>amalee
why did it take over a year for her to join vshojo? thought vshojo was talent freedom yada yada.

>>101736404
The strategy is vtuber corp acquisition, why would they care about talents, they will give them a lot of benefit and voluntary severance if they want to stay, but all them want are monopoly of the market by buying every available corpo possible. This is the most recent one after idol.

>>101736567
and the thing with Idol is that Brave was at least able to recoup a little money because they owned the IPs and the girls with value wisely opted out. Besides that, it was a disaster acquisition. Brave bought Idol to boost their EN sub pool think they were getting 1,200,000+ sub count to their harem, only for them to lose 1,000,000 of them by talent refusing to work with them and deciding to go indie

what does one get when they buy vshojo? what do they own? the vshojo name? logo? they sure as hell don't own any IPs

>>101734831
If that means Vshoujo dies then it's worth it

>>101736738
Most recent is Neo-Porte actually: https://bravegroup.co.jp/en/news/8611/

Why I find anons freaking out about this amusing. Idol was in the same rocky place that Vshojo is right now. Idol even allowed for talents to leave before the announcement of the buyout, such as Rin Penrose. It's near identical patterns.

>>101736763
It might simply be a stupid old school reasoning of "it's a win as long as we remove alternatives for people to watch, so we still gain market share"

>>101734120 (OP)
>based themselves in COMMIEfornia central
They deserved this.

>less than 100 people showed up for the v4m concert at offkai
>less than 100 people showed up for the idol concert at offkai
>the mint/ironmouse concert mariya organized with brave's backing is not selling well and it is next week. it has sold by far the worst of the 3 concerts happening that weekend
brave group doesnt understand the en scene. they bot sub counts thinking they are real and then forget bots to show up in person to concert

>>101736567
Lmao buying idol was such a terrible idea
Was funny as fuck to see them rebrand the whole branch the day before offkai, it was obviously not planned ahead of time because they still had the old branding and logos out for their offkai booth, brave is such a mess I swear to god
Not even talking about half their talents losing monetisation on youtube

>>101736872
At least idol_corp announced an actual buyout in the works and gave members and fans heads up. They did not lose anyone between the Riro ron termination and the buyout announcement. Only after it was announced that a mass graduation happened. VShojo on the other hand has not made any indication of a buyout on public but they are mysteriously bleeding out members

>>101734120 (OP)
>they operate out of San Fran.
retard

>>101737757
>They did not lose anyone between the Riro ron termination and the buyout announcement
They lost Pochi and Yuko. You have no idea what you are talking about.

>>101737395
Brave absolutely refuses to learn ANYTHING in EN, globie is probably the biggest proof of that, I remember watching the french bear and they would force her to do JP only streams in the middle of the night so she has to cancel her EU timeslot streams and every good idea any of them get for the sphere is shut down by the retarded management
They killed that whole branch in the crib and even dragged out males,
Such a mess of a corp, I have no idea what oilbaron they took a loan out from for all this but he has to be cracking the whip if some canzcucks can beat them at the EN game consistently

>>101736780
Brave is in it for the money, not for your schizo fantasies.

>>101737660
It's actually a good idea to announce a rebrand at an industry convention. That is the exact place they should do it, but like you said the execution was abysmal.

They should have announced the change was coming a month in advance and has all new branding on everything at the con. Just confusing stuff. And they have gotten rid of gens and just made up new thrown together units with girls. Making up rules as they go along it is the blind leading the blind

>>101738345
It's obvious that brave management is schizophrenic, if you watch any of their gens you come to realize there's someone just deciding shit and launching without any form of planning, you'll have rebrands where nobody knows it's happening, contract changes out of the blue, managers just decide really dumb shit on the fly
Just a total mess, I feel bad for the girls having to deal with all that shit

>>101738447
>I feel bad for the girls having to deal with all that shit
I don't. They literally had a chance to opt out and leave.

>>101738268
Nta but brave has had the worst time making any money back on these acquisitions, they refuse to hire anybody from EN to lead their EN branches and it shows, so yeah we can comfortably predict this would be the death of Vshojo

>>101737779
That's where the incorporation is. Nearly every company in the U.S. does incorporation there, not where they operate from. This is why it was a big deal when Elon Musk moved incorporation from Delaware to Texas while also moving its HQ from California to Texas.

How would this even work? VShojo doesn't own a single talent IP and is more of a talent agency. What does Brave even gain that they don't already have? They've had collaborations together so Brave must have some form of idea of how their business partner works. What would Brave even offer to the existing VShojo members to keep them around?

>>101734120 (OP)
uhoh

>>101738920
it doesn't make any sense
proctor and mahdeen are retarded for trying to push this

>>101738951
There is only one solution for people like them.

>>101738920
They probably offered to buy their IPs or offered a check to stay at least a year like they did with idol, same shit happened there and look at them now, the only ones not leaving are those that haven't sold their IPs and just want the free concert and music pipeline

>>101739084
>I'm gonna work for a black company and be miserable making no money so I can do 2 numbers in a 3d concert to 50 people

>>101739084
>They probably offered to buy their IPs
Not even Michi is dumb enough to take a deal like this.

>>101739084
you are just throwing random shit at a wall.
even the lowest girl in vshojo is worth more the entirety of all the Brave EN groups combined

>>101739084
Signing bonus and contract for a year is lucrative for most people, just look at ninja.

>>101739139
You would be surprised the level of stupidity in EN vtubing. There are small corpo girls and indies that think vtubing is gonna lead to them getting million dollar recording contracts and win grammys.
The delusion is wild.

>>101739084
They're going to need a pretty big fat check and free 3D and music pipeline stuff for EN members. Along with free trips and visa to JP
For JP members they would have offer opportunities with various JP brands and other groups like NeoPorte and VSPO. Anything less than that is a NO DEAL. I doubt Brave will offer that unless they're that desperate.

>>101739374
>>101739335
>>101739262
If I had to guess they probably said "keep streaming for us for a year and you can keep a fat check" and they'll do like the idol girls and follow the contract to the letter and nothing more and nope the fuck out

>>101739461
>If I had to guess
you are guessing and have made up a retarded scenario in your head about vshojo and their talents.

>>101739567
Anon we're all arguing what would happen if brave was buying out Vshojo, stop getting mad about shit over nothing

>>101734916
here's what I don't get:
why should vshojo *need* all that much coordination to begin with? it's specifically an agency, not a management company. the only reason they do anything idol-y in the first place is because holo set the precedent that vtubers do that most of a decade ago and mouse likes singing. it's not hard to believe that vshojo doesn't have much in the way of wrangling, but why the fuck would they?
everything I understand about the place indicates that its entire operation was always predicated on incredibly slim margins and low operating costs. they were never run like an actual corporation so much as gunrun's pet project, and it made sense that way.
obviously all the senior staff leaving recently and now the one corpo-brained talent and zen the beating heart show that it's going to hell, but I don't buy that this is somehow because vshojo needs to be bought out. it's a stupid sell, a stupid buy, and while I am KEENLY aware of Brave's INFINITE stupidity, I don't know why they would want an actual shell of a brand when the small vtuber-watching community is well aware what Brave does to corpos it acquires. the *only* thing I can think Brave would get with this acquisition would be Mouse's audience, who would probably watch cocomelon if she put it on for them. even before that, why the fuck would gunrun suddenly need to cash out and ruin everything he did rather than just dissolve it? if he was going to be greedy then should've happened sooner.
tl;dr This reads like Proctologist spreading random shit because his doxsite's been slow since they tried to memoryhole phase's latent terrorist fans.

>>101734916
obligatory

>>101736015
>The "tame" theory is that Zen has a reputation for collabing with all sorts of unruly scum, while Ironmouse is hyper-ultra-selective about who to associate with.
There's no way that some of the fleshies that Mouse collabs with are not worse than anyone that Zen would bring on stream

>>101745320
sayu...

>>101746413
A menhera like Sayu is still going to be preferable to male fleshie sexpests

>>101734120 (OP)
If this means more people like henya and less like ama lee/zentroon It's a good decision

>>101746546
None of those males started lobbing accusations at Vshoujo directly after collabing with them

>>101734579
Oh, god. Not this shit again.