Why does it look like she is having fun??

I thought she hated streaming?

>>101754459 (OP)
Give it two months. I'd love to be proven wrong but...

Look at her fucking head LMAO. It's way too oblong

>>101754459 (OP)
>be in black company
>hates streaming
>leave black company
>enjoys streaming again

It truly is a mystery.

>>101754676
setting up another dooby like that.

>>101754459 (OP)
She likes pedobucks more

>>101754676
>monkey's paw curls

>Streams twice after leaving
>OMG GUYS, SHE'S REALLY BACK AND SHE'S FULLY UNLEASHED, SHE REALLY WAS JUST BEING HELD BACK, A NEW GOLDEN AGE IS HERE!!!!!
>goes back to old habits after that week honeymoon period is done
>if anything maybe does even worse stuff since she won't have company red tape preventing her from complete ghosting or collabing with people her fans don't like
we've done this game already, can we shut up at this point?

>>101755716
We all know why you posted THAT vtuber...

>>101754676
kekw

>>101754459 (OP)
So far I don't understand what her beef with Cover was. It's easy to guess with other holos who left.

>>101754563
goodbye rhombus, hello e g g

>>101757620
Seeing how much she likes playing with her new rig I think it may have something to do with gura 2.0 which was pretty much same shitty cardboard cutout rigging.

>>101754459 (OP)
She just started the honeymoon phase

>>101757620
Cover didn't let her pedobait

>>101757620
Unironically the china shit. Coco was one of her main motivations for joining.

>>101758142
anon she was planning her graduation long before the 2.0 model

>>101754563
she makes my dick oblong

>>101754459 (OP)
A few weeks from now sabatards will claim all these posts were falseflags once the grudgeposting starts. Just like doobfags.

>doubters say she will stop streaming after a month or two
>cucks seethe
>debut comes
>one stream in
>cucks declaring victory already
sabacucks really are retarded huh? how long will the denial last this time?

>>101757620
After Holo went public, leaning into loli became a brand risk. Before too probably but being forced to think about shareholder value takes it to another level.

>>101757620
She was raped.

>>101759967
by who?

>>101754459 (OP)
i will watch her if she starts streaming consistently

>>101759976
Me.

HIT EM WIT A SMOLDER, SABA!

>>101758868
>>101759924
This but unironically

>won't be streaming tomorrow
>didn't commit to streaming the next day, or any fixed date really
it's starting

>>101757363
qrd?

>>101763340
She doesn't stream

>>101754676
>enjoys streaming again
2 weeks. Wait for the honeymoon period to end then we'll see.

>>101757620
> They cancelled many of her projects due to "brand risk"
> Most likely couldn't negotiate fair revenue splits due to Jap Corpo Autism

Turns out, Holo corpo execs and investors are grifters just like everyone else.

>>101759470
More like rhythm games were her forte and the one game where she excelled at and briefly streamed had to be taken down and forbidden to play amidst the chink meltdown over the Taiwan incident.

>>101754676
>stressed with idol stuff and performances where the expectation is she does everything flawlessly
>too stressed to want to stream
>quits
>maybe she'll be able to just have chill casual streams now where if she sings it's karaoke and imperfection is expected

>>101760562
>Have Biboo as front of EN now
>La+ and Kobo need everyone to know how slutty they are
>Su debuted after Cover going public
Jep I'm thinking retard, unironically

Give it a week or two and she'll fall right back into her old habits. Can't wait for that smug face to be wiped off

>>101754459 (OP)
I don't trust her, i have a feeling she will just fuck off for months again

>>101754676
Tell me you dunno what a black company is without telling me you dunno what a black company is.

>>101760594
Not surprising considering she probably made enough money off one hour of open memberships plus her debut merch shilling to coast for a couple years

>>101754459 (OP)
>Why does it look like she is having fun??
Women are exceptional liars. As gura she told you tummy hort, the management disgreement then she said it was because popularity only to return as the most popular indie vtuber. She's going to lie again and you're going to believe the lies.

>>101757620
mori homostars

>>101754459 (OP)
ask again in 2 months

>>101754459 (OP)
She never hated streaming. It was the "being the biggest member of, and the de facto mascot for, the Seiso™ vtuber agency; and having to perform at baseball stadiums, aquariums, restaurants, and other places full of normies who wouldn't otherwise care one iota about vtubers" part that made her vomit from nervousness.

>>101757620
It's a combination of her saying what the problem was and seeing what she's like as Saba. The problems are:

>Wanted to do more Loli stuff but Cover said no
>Wanted to have complete creative control over her original songs but she kept having to fork over control to others. Reflect and Ash Again are the ONLY exceptions. 2 songs where she had control, in 4 whole years.
>Had her own ideas for 3D lives, Cover said no
>Had her own ideas for things she could upload to YT, Cover said no
>On top of all of that, add the "ask for perms and wait god knows how long just to play a game" rule.Which, to be fair to Cover, does make sense after THAT close call

Basically it was the fact that she had so many restrictions in terms of creative freedom. And my personal rrat is that because she was Gawr Gura, their biggest talent, they put more creative restrictions on her than every other talent of theirs.

>>101769037
oh no,, are we doing talent freedom again....

>>101769531
NTA, but talent freedom is unironically the answer. I know it's become a meme term because of whoreshojo, but holos leave because they don't have enough creative freedom.

>doesn't want to leave Hololive
>sits on her ass doing nothing for 4 years

>>101769037
>because she was Gawr Gura, their biggest talent, they put more creative restrictions on her than every other talent of theirs.
Or what Marine said

>>101769980
Marine's main appeal is horny funny cosplay pirate, I don't give a crap about Kumarine.

>>101754459 (OP)
>I thought she hated streaming?
because you're a grey tourist

She had merch to sell, the paypigs had to be placated for a little while.

>>101769037
>because she was Gawr Gura, their biggest talent, they put more creative restrictions on her than every other talent of theirs
they 100% did, other holos get away with shit that would get Gura yelled at

>>101769037
You're making a lotta sense, anon.
I don't give a shit about streams. I just want her to make shit posts and weird songs like the Senzawa days.

>>101769037
This+the harassment/assault debacle that got covered up
Also from what I can tell she joined to be "idol" but because she ended up as the hololive mascot she got roped into every crossover and merch thing under the sun - and knowing how this shit works I wouldn't be surprised if she didn't see *that* much money from the hololive themed crossovers. While dipshits on here who have never had a job or understand corporate work culture, that means that she was no doubt in recording sessions having to do retakes, and meetings, nonstop. She is not the kind of person who likes talking to other people in person let alone meetings.
She was constantly pushed to push merch - something that she was initially actively resistant to and later on while she was less outwardly resistant, would very clearly sabotage her own involvement in it later on.
Girl had no energy to stream because she gets 1guy'd as easily as ragebait threads on here get traction. She will read 500 messages and see the one negative one. Say what you will about her mental health for that one...
That led her to do member streams, which she then got flak for, and when she didn't do member streams she got flak for that.

She got drunk once for new years and very clearly got in huge trouble for it and never is shown to drink a single time one stream after, despite being known in previous lives for being a borderline drunk.
Meanwhile Irys and Bae have had MANY drinking streams since, as has Mori.
This is likely due to hololive putting restrictions on her for being their big mascot.
Not to mention the early drama that no doubt soured her experiences going forward - Mori was the one that Hololive spent big money on as they expected her to be the big hit - it didn't go that way and Gura - with her model that very clearly got very little of their budget - ended up getting to deal with crazy antis nonstop.

All in all while idiot troons and nolifes here will be like "mrrr streamer not streaming" they fail to consider that hololive is not *just* a streamer company - especially for talent that are successful. They're a merchandising company and she very clearly wasn't enjoying many things about her job there.

Crucially, many people here are retarded ESL fags and therefore cannot understand the concept of nuance, so either Hololive perfect and Gura evil, or Gura perfect and Hololive evil.
Rather the truth is that it just wasn't the job for her, and early management were fucking retarded and didn't know their own market, and didn't listen to Coco's advice on the things that mattered, but instead decided to focus hard on "family friendly" for the EN market to the detriment of their talents. Does that make them evil? No. It just makes them retarded. Just like everyone on this board. Myself included.

>>101771247
do we have a name for this schizo

soo everything's Cover's fault but never the talent? is this right?

>>101754510
I give it 2 weeks.

>>101771564
No. I don't post enough to have a name. I just lurk.

>>101771247
good post, I agree almost completely except maybe the assault thing since there is no proof of that

>>101771617
Like I said, not the job for her. Cover saw $$$ signs and acted as a corpo is going to act when big money is on the line. You can moralize that as you wish to, but the past 3 years have been the result of someone who didn't enjoy their job but was locked into it for many reasons you would understand if you
a. ever had a job with coworkers that like you and vice versa
b. understood contracts and how seriously Japan takes its mascots.

>>101754459 (OP)
>can do whatever the fuck your heart desires
>if you want it when you want it with whom you want it
>no restrictions whatsoever
Damn, you be saying our fish is having fun? Must be one of them universal mysteries

>>101771718
>someone who didn't enjoy their job

After you get a job get back to us.

>>101771247
Oh yeah that's also to say nothing of the nuclear fallout that was experienced by all parties involved when she produced a song for Bell Delphine.

>not having to work for a japanese corporation

>>101771773
Projecting.
She loved everything at first but pretty clearly was not enjoying things as much anymore and all but said as such. If she enjoyed her job she would have stayed.

can't wait for the reunion!!

>>101771852
>Projecting

After you get a job, get back to us.

>>101771815
I'M BACK is pre Gura.

>>101771815
I guess I should clarify:
"was revealed to have produced a song for Bell Delphine" thank you for mentioning that.

>>101771974
I guess I should clarify:
"was revealed to have produced a song for Bell Delphine" thank you for mentioning that.

>>101754459 (OP)
>Makes constant comments about management annoying her
>Makes a whole song with obvious allusions to her speech being controlled and being expected to represent a brand, companies, japan, basebal teams etc etc

Gee whiz I cant work it out, what changed that she's happier now?

>>101771946
No one is supposed to like their job, but Saba is a woman in VTuber world, so she gets to be happy.

>>101771247
>Reddit spacing

>>101772132
>No one is supposed to like their job

After you get a job, get back to us.

>>101754563
I can't unsee it now. You could fit a whole other face on her forehead.
She's breaking her own forehead records too, not just her debut record.

>>101772459
It's called paragraphs so it's not a wall of text, dipshit.
Notice there's also not-reddit-spacing.

>>101772557
I have one, dumbass. Now what?

>>101772824
She's legit a fucking conehead bro

she will stop streaming for a month
and then return when her bank dried up

>>101772894
Didn't she make like 700K already?
What the fuck does she spend it on?
Filipino boys and cocaine in a penthouse suite?

>>101768532
>WHAT DO YOU MEAN I HAVE TO WORK HIDDEN BEHIND AN AVATAR AWAY FROM EVERYONE WATCHING?
>AIIIIIEEEEEEEE TEAR IT DOWN BURN IT DOWN

>>101771247
>They're a merchandising company
This nigga claims they put her to work in the underground cover sweatshop sculpting and painting each pop up prade, figma, and Nendoroid like it's santas workshop when in reality she didn't do shit but get passive income from memberships.

>>101772977
>hidden
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_h4PB7KMxe0

>>101772894
yeah I'm sure she couldn't make do with her tens of millions of dollars, she obviously needs more money otherwise she goes homeless

>>101771847
She's been doing that since november 2022.

>>101754459 (OP)
She just redebuted. Everyone who comes back is motivated again initially. The question is how long it lasts. See Dooby as well.

So far everyone who resurfaced continued to be the way they were before they left. If they were hard workers and consistent, they continue to be. If they were lazy and flaky, they continue to be.

>>101757620
I'm not sure it was even "beef."
Aqua allegedly said that Cover tried to put her in a graduation contract that would've impacted her activities as an indie.
Considering the graduations and reincarnations that happened since, I would assume they don't do that anymore, but if their graduations used to so disadvantageous to the graduates, people like Gura might've stayed just because.

>>101772927
>>101773091
if you know her rm and bell dolphin shit then you will know why but hey

>>101754459 (OP)
I'd be having fun to if my paycheck was that big

>>101754676
>aqua somehow streaming even less than she was streaming in hololive
>sakamata streaming as much as she was streaming in hololive
>fauna streaming about as much as she was streaming in hololive
>dooby streaming just as little she was streaming in hololive
i'm sure it will be different this time though

>>101754676
Just like dooby lol

>>101773788
>Why would the Mickey Mouse of Cover be a special case
You cannot honestly be this stupid

>>101773634
schizo drivel

>>101773120
truth post

>>101754676
>All the holo corpo dick riders triggered
Kek

The holos who left are the risk takers, enterprising and independent personalities.
The ones who remain are ‘hard working’ (good slaves), ‘committed’ (reluctant to change) and ‘loyal” (risk averse).

>>101766972
Biboo is still sfw in the important ways to cover despite her slight lean into being more sensual, talking about animal sex for 24 hours didn't make Biboo drop her panties. La+ and Kobo being ok with males doesn't equal loli fanservice, Su hasn't done any of the above (and before you bring that up there's no hard proof). Saba has gone further with a loli model than what cover has been willing to show for years.